Author Topic: Vanilla Mafia II (Game over, town wins!)  (Read 105989 times)

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #660 on: October 14, 2011, 09:20:55 PM »
Hero's case on huhwhat has been made significantly better. I still think Huhwhat is town, but it's not a bad case anymore. Another reason why my vote is on PX instead of Hero today. Would be so cool to lynch scum!PX today and then scum!Dormio tomorrow, but I'm probably getting ahead of myself here. If I'm overreacting about Dormio I'll probably realize it when I wake up tomorrow.
And I like how you place a cover for yourself, so you can gauge interest in how many people find me scummy or something.
You know, something that you've kind of been doing all game. Waiting for people to find other people interesting, that is.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #661 on: October 14, 2011, 09:24:56 PM »
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And I like how you place a cover for yourself etcetc
you know how I post and then contradict like half of everything I thought in my previous post fairly often in mafia

that's what tends to happen when I wake up the next day :V

Not that that's necessarily a good thing, but it's how my brain works. /shrug
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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #662 on: October 14, 2011, 09:36:35 PM »
Dormio (0):
huh what (1): Hero999
BT (0):
Bardiche (0):
Pesco (0):
Serela (1): Dormio
PX (2): Serela, JOB
Hero999 (0):
JOB (0):

Not Voting: Bardiche, PX, Pesco, huh what, BT

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #663 on: October 14, 2011, 09:57:11 PM »
welcome to next episode of Serela Thinks Dormio's Case is Bullshit

Dormio's Case On Me, as of before I called him out on it
-You opened today with a vote on PX, despite how often you called Hero worse than PX.
-Nice waffle and fence sit on the two main wagons yesterday.
-And then there was pretty much no content at all from Serela.
-It is interesting to note how all of his targets seem to be whoever is popular at the time.

The last one is still incredibly wrong because PX does not equal All Of My Targets and the "Whoever is Popular" applied way more to Pesco and Shadoweh then PX anyway.

The third point is still pretty wrong.

First one is still "So?" because they're both my scumpicks anyway

And the second is wrong because I did not waffle and fence sit on them. Waffling is going back and forth between my feelings about them. I picked a solid stance and kept it. My stance on Pesco could be considered a fence sit, I guess.

So your case sucked. Now lets get to stuff you said AFTER I called you out!

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And you accuse me of misrep'ing? I said and then there were none, implying that the Hero and PX things that I was referring to kind of existed, you know?
you didn't even quote or refer to my hero case anyway

And even so, it's a pretty loaded statement. "And then there was no content from Serela" instantly implies I made no or extremely little content simply in how it's worded, even if when getting in technicality it doesn't truly mean so.

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Uh huh. I like how. unlike the other people you go out of your way to label as town and stuff, you use vague terms for both major lynch candidates.
So just because they're major lynch targets I'm supposed to have concrete opinions on them? I said I thought Shadoweh was erring on town, aka more likely town then scum. Honestly I had a town read on Shadoweh since early D2 but since she was looking bad, my read looked incredibly unjusitified, and I knew it would be retarded to actually say that I was positive Shadoweh was town, as well as completely unhelpful to working towards a town win.

Besides, I didn't want to lynch either of the major lynch candidates. Sorry for not building up super cool stances on them. I wasn't interested in them and still aren't.

Honestly I don't see how what Dormio is saying holds any water in a case trying to portray me as scum and if PX didn't need to die so bad today I'd vote Dormio right now.
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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #664 on: October 14, 2011, 10:01:27 PM »
Hmm... everyone else is Job/Bard/BT/Huhwhat

They pretty much all seem to consistently be good contributors and make nice posts and be cool and stuff, basically.

##Vote Pesco










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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #665 on: October 14, 2011, 10:04:25 PM »
well when you consider that it's JOB, what I said seems about right
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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #666 on: October 14, 2011, 10:08:34 PM »
also hey Dormio, care to tell us how you feel about people NOT named Serela? I mean yeah you FoS'd PX but who wouldn't do that at this point, seriously
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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #667 on: October 14, 2011, 11:47:18 PM »
I'M BACK! IT'S THE FUCKING WEEKEND FUCK YOU UNI YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyways, if you look at NeoSerela's voting history, you'll find something interesting. He has managed to avoid voting every single person that has flipped Town, he has managed to avoid voting on the big wagons until the very end of the day rush, and he's always off the wagon that's lynched and flipped Town. Coincidence? I just noticed that he kind of... ignored my case here. Reading more....
Apparently, from D2 onward, you said you wanted Hero dead. Despite the fact you said absolutely shit nothing on Hero D1. And you never even said why you wanted Hero dead, why he was scum, all of D2. Your D2 ended up going waffly on both Pesco and Shadoweh, saying "S/he could be town, could be scum." And it seems like you've been following huh what's opinions and defending him. Buddying up? In addition, your link to the night kill choice is an absolute blank. Actually, looking at both night kills, they're a complete blank in terms of connections to you. Seems like good night kills to avoid being linked to later on. In addition, it looks like he's trying to set up me and Hero so that when one of us flips Town, he can say the other one is scum and set up a mislynch based on another mislynch.

##Vote: NeoSerela

Pesco, huh what, and Bardiche are Town.

JOB is fucking useless. All he has done all game is restate popular opinion. ALL GAME. Can we just policy lynch him soon? Because I don't want him in Lylo, and I'm sure you guys don't want either.

Hero... I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and labling him as town. He's consistent, and I don't like Serela's case or push on him.

Dormio, I would put him on Town leaning neutral still....

And BT I don't know

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #668 on: October 14, 2011, 11:54:45 PM »
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And you never even said why you wanted Hero dead, why he was scum, all of D2.
Okay you can't read. Just gonna throw that out there.

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Your D2 ended up going waffly on both Pesco and Shadoweh, saying "S/he could be town, could be scum."
Okay you still can't read. Just gonna say that again because you can't. Maybe this applies a bit to Pesco, I admit, but I think I've made it pretty darn clear by now I thought Shadoweh was town.

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He has managed to avoid voting every single person that has flipped Town
not my fault you people keep lynching my town reads

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he's always off the wagon that's lynched and flipped Town
I tried to get PX lynched D1. He almost was. I tried to get Pesco lynched. He also almost was. It's not my fault the wagons I am are not getting lynched. There is a difference between finding evidence that your target is scum and using coincidence to make it LOOK like your target is scum. This statement also applies to your stuff about the NK.

Look, we've got two scum making cases on me that don't hold water. Fascinating! Let's lynch them and win now, please?

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #669 on: October 14, 2011, 11:56:31 PM »
I just noticed that he kind of... ignored my case here.
did you even READ d2 I mean you don't seem to know about ANYTHING I've said on it
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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #670 on: October 15, 2011, 12:09:41 AM »
JOB is fucking useless.
Look who's talking.

And it's nice to see Dormio post finally, but I don't necessarily like his Serela case either.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #671 on: October 15, 2011, 12:10:09 AM »
Also, all five of those people BT was calling for reads from? They've done it (Even if Dormio still really needs to post again with more). So everyone else can start posting now, too, please. Too much of it feeling like the only people here are me and scum with cases that look like swiss cheese.
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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #672 on: October 15, 2011, 12:13:14 AM »
But you thought I was town.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #673 on: October 15, 2011, 12:13:22 AM »
Still missing HW and a few more words from Hero. In the meantime

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #674 on: October 15, 2011, 12:16:25 AM »
SORRY SORRY was super busy for like the first 24 hours of the day and have only really had time to skim posts until now. no i didn't give up on this game like i probably gave the impression i was going to at the end of yesterday. This is probably gonna be really incomprehensible because my brain feels weird right now and also because I wrote this post in an inconsistent order.

This declaration is also a claim to have nailed the scum team, which is something really suspicious in my eyes.
So according to the other players, if I don't act overconfident then I'm not trying to convince other people of my case, but the second I start sounding like I have conviction then I'm really suspicious and throwing around scumpairs even when that wasn't my actual intent? <_< I'm not sure how youseem to have drawn the conclusion I'm throwing around scumpairs, I didn't post any associative tells between you and Pesco and I haven't even been considering those at all. If you're just saying that I shouldn't have claimed I nailed scum, then uh, claiming to have nailed scum isn't suspicious, what. It's dumb and I only did it for the sake of making my post look flashy so people would actually listen to me because they never do, but players do that shit all the time regardless of alignment, I'm not sure why you're attacking me over this.

He declared Serela as vigbait at the beginning of D2 , and has since then not mention him in the slightest.
Have you considered that I might not be talking about Serela because I don't consider him vigbait anymore? He's actually posting opinions that make sense now, this is something that he was not doing before I called him out in that post.

Already defended against the other stuff back when Omba was poking me over it so yeah.

Before I get to the meatier stuff I'll say that my gut dislikes Serela's posts today ("Hero's case on huhwhat is better now but I think huhwhat is town but it's a good case so yeah"? What? also the overreaction to the omba nk is weird, i mean while omba wasn't a super amazing nk choice or anything it's not like he wasn't unlikely to be lynched and therefore worth removing from the game. damn it people stop overreacting to nk choices that make sense, scum is going to make oddball kills if they know we're looking into everything and it'll just result in a bunch of stupid everywhere).



RIGHT SO about that Hero hate that I should have posted yesterday.

- Convenient placement on the D1 wagon on town!Dan over a case that countered Dan's points instead of searching for Dan's scum intent gave him an easy way to cruise through the day pushing for a townie lynch and look consistent even though his case actually kinda sucked (that attack on dan for misinterpreting pesco's post and prodding pesco for clarification is still bad because that on its own wasn't scummy at all, it was just human).
- d2 case on me is just as ingenuine, i'm sorry i had to be the one around to hammer obvtown dan i guess but that doesn't really make me scum? pretty funny how he just kind of dropped the case halfway through the day actually. seems like he wanted omba's vote to become a wagon. rest of the day was just kind of him being a background presence while everybody else squabbled and made a bunch of noise, i think this fits scum's agenda because scum wants to remain hidden amidst townie arguments, and D2 was the best place for him to do that. When he actually had to give an opinion on a slapfight it was just based on meta and contained a lot of waffling. Doesn't look like he was putting genuine effort to help town decide between Shadoweh/Pesco, which would make sense if it was a townie slapfight like he claimed to think it was. Serela case wasn't too bad but now then he already dropped it? Curious if he went into the day thinking he'd have a better chance getting me lynched than getting Serela lynched.
- D3 case on me isn't the logical conclusion of his D2 case at all. Looks like he's trying to dig up random dirt on me (particularly arguments taken from other people, ie the "HW DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH CONVICTION WITH HIS CASE" parts which he could have cited at any time yesterday but didn't until today for... some reason) with the intention of building a case on me rather than finding me suspicious and backing up his points (Serela line is an example of this). oh my god you suck. OKAY but no seriously hero's cases are all based on attempting to counter his target's points and scavenging minor points he can try to snag them on. it wasn't honest scumhunting on d1 and it still isn't, and on d2 he took advantage of all the noise so that he could get away with not having an active presense, like scum would want to do (especially in a set-up like this where they need to cruise by). let's go murder him.

##Vote Hero999

~PESCO~ is still shifty imo for all the reasons that d2 wall had but i want hero dead first again because of the way he basically walked by the d2 noise while whistling innocently and pretending he had nothing to do with it. in hindsight i think that's worse than openly accepting the spotlight like pesco did, didn't think about that yesterday because these things are easier to notice when the day isn't still actually happening (read: bad excuses for not thinking things through). also i'm curious what pesco thinks my alignment is because i dunno i've been getting the impression that he's been kinda irritated with me all game (but that might just be toward people in general).

I think PX's opinions on Shadoweh were coming from a townie who's views have been slanted by his earlygame stances (ie that random attack on her in the middle of d1). He was lurky but I don't get the impression that he was trying to invoke coasting like Hero seemed to be (since Hero didn't really touch on Shadoweh/Pesco until late in the day, and also Hero felt like he had less presence in D2 than in D1 while lurker PX is consistent even though it's also dumb) so yeah that's cool. Though I do think Bard should talk about PXscum again in case I'm missing something, I've liked his insight this game (hw openly claims sheeping to bard oh man).

Uhhhh I don't have much to say about BT and JOB and Dormio and people I've forgotten, ask me specific questions about them and I'll answer I guess? If I had to guess who is the most likely to be the sheeping scum that Pesco keeps talking about then I'd say JOB. He just kinda started supporting the Shadoweh wagon halfway through the day without ever talking about why, which makes no sense when you consider posts like this and this. Consistancy, what the fuck is that. Hey Serela, why is JOB town?

Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #675 on: October 15, 2011, 12:19:02 AM »
Also Pesco what's up with the voting shenanigans? Can't tell what you have to gain from that in vanilla mafia unless you're just trying to get attention.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #676 on: October 15, 2011, 12:28:31 AM »
@Huhwhat: I already explained my support for the Shadoweh wagon silly. Bard's case summed it all up for me, and I could see Shadoweh doing it, and I thought it was bad.

Hmmm, I can't decide between lynching Obvscum Hero and Uselessscum PX now.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #677 on: October 15, 2011, 01:15:26 AM »
OK, so there we go! I am a bit worried I'm still alive due to how off-track I've been so far but goddamnit, everyone's scum.

Would lynch: Dormio, PX
Would not lynch: Huh What, BT, Pesco
Can be convinced to lynch: Hero, Serela

So yeah, the dread Dormio/PX scumteam. Let's talk about why these two are shit and why they deserve the noose.

Let's start with Dormio and his very first post in the game, which is cheerleading a wagon on Shadoweh by pointing out WIFOM, but then jumping on BT for utterly camp reasons. One has to wonder about priorities, as he continues cheerleading the Shadoweh case by accusing her of active lurking while sticking to a BT case, which is reasonably weaker. BT is a new player, I can't imagine Shadoweh active lurking is a weaker charge than BT not making sense yet.

To point out: defending another player is BAD, but it's not a scumtell by itself. Only once the other player flips, and even then it's circumstantial, where active lurking is scummy any way you slice it. His jump off of BT is sudden and hardly explained, other than that Dan is suddenly worse. He comments that Dan doesn't have cases except PX for ED1 stuff, and that Dan doesn't have comments about the rest of the game.

Up to this point, Dormio has had a case on BT for early day 1 stuff and hasn't commented on anything not Shadoweh or BT. Hypocrisy isn't scummy, but it is when you pretend that the same traits in other people is scummy. I'll note the excusing for activity because this shit was done last game by Dan himself, until we lynched his red-coloured arse.

He explains his case later, but calls it a reiteration: as if he had to restate a case. Look at the previous post. Is there really a case? His case comes down to "Dan has too many Town reads", and repeats a request for more about the rest of the game. Dormio has still not commented on the rest of the game, focusing solely on Dan without ever going back to how Shadoweh or BT are scum. Or anyone. He's slamming Dan for town reads but doesn't seem to dispute whether the person in question is Town or not, and the add-on from post #150 onwards is just "Dan is defending himself", which again is not a trait that alone defines scumminess.

The case up to this point is Utter Shit. His excuse for not commenting on the rest of the game himself is anyone not mentioned is town or neutral, and everyone is neutral to him. Way to dodge responsibility. His case on Dan becomes further shit when he clears Shadoweh without any explanation to it himself, and minor suspicion on BT which doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. Up to here, Dan is scum, Shadoweh is Town, BT is "a thing" and everyone else is neutral.

Don't scumhunt now, you might tire yourself out. His "a thing" of BT is based on Early Day Content, which he still holds against Dan alongside not commenting on the rest of the game, where his comment was a blanket "everyone's neutral".

He later contradicts his own case by saying he doesn't care about who Dan thinks are Town. Even though he voted Dan for clearing people as Town! Dan doing "anything" to save himself isn't really Scum, you know. Town also want to survive, unless you're Pesco and have to suffer Serela clearing JOB as useful content.

NOW THEN, on to Day2, where Dormio just succesfully lynched Dan based on who Dan cleared as Town and that Dan defended himself too much. This is fucking circumstantial and terrible, in my opinion, but alright. Vote goes to Shadoweh after she was his only Town read the other day! The case isn't that bad, but it's stuff that happened Day 1, and I ill see how that reads as Town one Day and as SUPER SCUM PRIORITY #1 the other Day, and no, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of Dan/BT/Shadoweh as possible scum yet.

He later finally materialises something and that something is that there is one scum and three weird, where Huh What is mysteriously mentioned but later not touched on. Pesco also mentioned. These are people others were voicing suspicion of. BT is still there, and he claims that's because BT's list tells us nothing. Whereas Dormio's tells us more amiright. After blanket clearing everyone as "neutral" earlier on, I find this objectionable content from Dormio.

He then moves on to respond to BT, and we still don't know why Huh What and Pesco are "weird" for him! And then on to D3. Wow, this is going fast. Ninja vote on Serela out of nowhere based on content from the previous Day, which he made no mention of at all the previous day!

And that's it. No really, that's it. Dormio hasn't done anything else the entire game and has never actively tried to scumhunt besides latching onto the popular Shadoweh case with a good enough case but yeah, that's it. He's mentioned BT, Shadoweh and Dan as scum suspects, one of which went from Scum to Town to Scum, and now suddenly votes Serela out of nowhere, ignoring his suspicions of Pesco and Huh What the previous day. Or his suspicion of BT.

PX case is that he's shit and a lurker but I can write one up by POST ANALYSIS if people really want me to. Do I really need to restate how PX's content doesn't exist?

Want to lynch either of these two, not only for lurking but also because what they HAVE produced is scummy as shit.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #678 on: October 15, 2011, 01:17:23 AM »
Also Words of Text hoot hoot. I've read over the opinions of everyone else in the mean time and appreciate that they've come out with :words:  and :opinions:  now. Let's get this shit on the road and lynch ourselves some red-coloured bastards before LYLO comes around because holy crap we only have two scum, I don't want to lose to a team of two.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #679 on: October 15, 2011, 01:22:49 AM »
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@Huh what: ...Your comparing me...to Pesco...?
...This is wrong on so many levels...

@Job: I would like it if you could actually restate your case with actually NEW content?
The only thing I can really remember from you are your smart-guy comments...GENERATING USELESS NOISE.

...You have absolutely no comments on Dormio's case on Serela other then "I don't like?"
You have absolutely no questions for Dormio at all when he was here?

You sound like your so set on your reads that you aren't considering other possibilities.
Are you so confident in your reads that you won't bother with other possibilities?

Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #680 on: October 15, 2011, 01:30:47 AM »
RE: Bard: Haven't really processed the Dormio case yet, but why do you think that PX's D2 lurking is worse than Hero's? D1 I can understand, but on D2 PX spent less time avoiding the main spectacle of the day, so I feel Hero's looks worse. Also, what's your opinion on JOB? You left him out of most of your post, even your list of lynches.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #681 on: October 15, 2011, 01:33:32 AM »
@Hero:My case on you is that you haven't been providing enough content. Just like PX. If you can improve and provide more content, then I will be happier, because right now you are coasting through the game.

I don't have any questions for Dormio because there isn't really anything I want to question. Dormio's case on Serela was bad because I agree with Serela that Serela didn't actually do those things.

I'm obviously not completely set on my reads, but they're my strongest reads so I will support them all the way.

Cut by HW

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #682 on: October 15, 2011, 01:42:06 AM »
Oh I almost forgot I could do this. Well bah.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #683 on: October 15, 2011, 02:00:13 AM »
...JOB

You read like you're COASTING ON POPULAR OPINION WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #684 on: October 15, 2011, 02:11:08 AM »
...PX

You read like you're COASTING WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #685 on: October 15, 2011, 02:20:04 AM »
RE: Bard: Haven't really processed the Dormio case yet, but why do you think that PX's D2 lurking is worse than Hero's? D1 I can understand, but on D2 PX spent less time avoiding the main spectacle of the day, so I feel Hero's looks worse. Also, what's your opinion on JOB? You left him out of most of your post, even your list of lynches.

I need to read Hero to really get a grasp but he didn't particularly stick out to me. Maybe it's because I'm bull-headed that I'm so set on PX, but Hero's content, from what I remember, is at least more than PX's content.

I've left JOB out because I don't consider him scum at all. I would stake my life on it: there is no way JOB can be scum.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #686 on: October 15, 2011, 03:06:30 AM »
How have you come to the conclusion that there is no way I can be scum?

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #687 on: October 15, 2011, 08:51:56 AM »
Alright, let's see what I can muster out of this mess.

Let's see... what happened in D2? Random accusations, massive polarity (yikes!) and a very silly end. Omba "reversals" again and makes me think of 101 (maybe 3 or so) theories on "how he could be scum" without being sure about any of them. I'm sure this happened to some other people so I'm kind of surprised about the NK but I already tried looking for conclusions and found nothing glaringly big. Then we have JOB the (accidental?) hammer and Hero who doesn't hammer. Hero I'm kind of annoyed he took the whole "random lynch is better since these choices suck :V" stance after not participating in the bulk of the day, which is really stupid. But the thing that's more obviously wrong is JOB's hammer, which didn't even let Shadoweh respond to Hero's accusations OR Omba's wagon hop. It's like he picked a very convenient part of the lynch to "oops-re-vote" and end it before anything else happens. This isn't screaming 'scum' for me, though, since this is AFTER Omba changed his vote and made the Shadoweh lynch more likely than anything else. Basically I'm reading JOB's move as a very stupid move and Hero's as... well, annoying. But nothing to call him scum over.

Bard and Hero are both refusing to do anything wrong, so aside from the lack of NK I don't see anything here.

Pesco... I still don't like. Nothing has changed, but since the remaining scum choices (read: players) are Dormio/PX/JOB/Serela/Hero, all of which have avoided any sort of focus AT ALL yesterday, I'm willing to put this on hold for a whole. Mostly because going back and forth the whole day didn't amount to much progress too.

JOB looks to me like town. His posts aren't great but I don't see any scum intent in them at all.

Dormio and PX are lurkers. PX has shown this especially, replying to random comments on random times. In fact, a lot of his comments are only there because someone accused him of something, and he's being defensive about it. Hero I'm slightly less sure of, and Serela I'm pretty sure is not. Dormio was pretty set on his targets the whole game (never straying from me, Shadoweh, Dan and now Serela), and I too have noticed how he called Pesco and HW weird without explaining himself afterwards. It looks like he's trying his best not to make too much accusations in fear of... something. Seems scummy, but doesn't seem scummy enough.

Hero still refuses to act like a townie in my eyes. His posts are mainly questions to other players with no real progress aside from the accusations here and there, with most of them not being good accusations at all. Also, when he actually chooses to reply to someone, it's usually because that someone voted for him/accused him of something. Kind of like PX, but this time it's slightly less painfully obvious. Despite this, I can't put my finger on something and follow it with a "you're scum" accusation. He just... doesn't look good.

Serela has had weird posts, but he's mostly giving me townie vibes. Unlike some others, he doesn't actually seem to be lurking. Rather, he just doesn't pay attention, and he posts when he manages to pay attention / understand what's going on. The thing that started bothering me though is the sudden assault on Dormio, which I am seeing as OMGUS. Dormio has done nothing exceptionally wrong and Serela tries accusing him with "everything he can" (that's what I'm getting out of his posts), and so suddenly. And, you betcha, this started immediately after Dormio's vote on him. I see this as bad playing, but not necessarily scummy behavior. For some reason I get the same "lack of scum intent" vibes I got from JOB.

As a some sort of conclusion: I'm still not entirely sure. I'll try rereading these last few pages again, but honestly, there's "some" reason to lynch any of these guys, but I don't see any "bigger" scum. Might take me a while to completely settle with my opinion here.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #688 on: October 15, 2011, 09:04:22 AM »
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Doesn't look like he was putting genuine effort to help town decide between Shadoweh/Pesco, which would make sense if it was a townie slapfight like he claimed to think it was.

I don't think so. If Hero believed both were town, then it IS right to try push another lynch into viability.

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also i'm curious what pesco thinks my alignment is because i dunno i've been getting the impression that he's been kinda irritated with me all game

Null read, therefore highly suspicious.

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Also Pesco what's up with the voting shenanigans? Can't tell what you have to gain from that in vanilla mafia unless you're just trying to get attention.

Gotta kill myself to wake up from the dream.

I would stake my life on it: there is no way JOB can be scum.

Bard please look at Shadoweh's sig and retract this statement. For your own good.

Still a lot to read over and recheck. Would the sheep put down their votes so we've got YOUR dedicated stances in the open first?

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D3)
« Reply #689 on: October 15, 2011, 02:40:56 PM »
Lemme tell yah a story, of how a guy had to choose or randomly kill 2 people. He loved both of them, so he decided to random kill.
The end.

@BT: ....What did you mean by Bard and Hero not doing anything wrong?