Author Topic: Vanilla Mafia II (Game over, town wins!)  (Read 106187 times)

Omba

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #390 on: October 10, 2011, 10:07:25 AM »
RE: Omba: You fail to consider the possibility I might not be making risky moves that will get me attacked because I have no pro-town reason to take risky moves that will get me attacked. <_< Do you expect me to go out of my way to make myself a potential target just so that people with weird logic will think I'm town? Townies aren't going to try to make polarizing moves if they aren't put in a situation where they feel that the move they are making is benificial to the town overall, and I have not yet been put in one of those situations. You seem to be voting me over a null tell and possibly even just because my playstyle isn't notably aggressive. Bleh.
Cut by weird-looking wagons. I'll switch to PX if necessary, haven't found him very impressive and still think Dan is looking townie. Hero is my preferred lynch regardless.
This is where you try to get the guy lynched you would like to see dead. Oh, wait, no. It's the part where you didn't. A few posts above yours you have Pesco posting one huge case on Dan. Considering you later post this
I think Dan and Pesco are just two townies with opposing viewpoints.
you would have had ample reason to really push for a Hero lynch; get your preferred lynch, save your town read. Going 'yeah, I'd rather lynch that guy, but this one is fine too' doesn't cut it.
There's an ever so slight difference between a not aggressive style of playing and not actually caring.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #391 on: October 10, 2011, 10:09:17 AM »
Okay then.

"Shadoweh: Shadoweh is an..... interesting character. But overall she seems town to me (yeah that's right, Shadoweh = scum town for once) She seems to be making good content and a decent amount of posts. Although I still would like her to answer this:
Give an example of a disjointed post and a thought out post. I want to see what you mean. Because that is most likely my personality showing in mafia.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #392 on: October 10, 2011, 12:22:59 PM »
##Vote Shadoweh
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee~

Highly dislike Shadoweh.
Although she pushes PX's lynch, she keeps wording it so that she can easily jump between PX and ActionDan's wagons.
EG:
I trust in the feelings of Dan's wagon and haven't gotten a town read from him yet. My own selfish self wants to ride PX into the sunset.
So like, you're just going to blindly sheep onto the wagon despite the fact that you see PX as scum, and have been seeing him as scum for the entirety of D1.

I'll admit I'm somewhat miffed I didn't get my PX lynch yesterday after you were the one talking about voting the real lurker instead of trying to lynch the fake lurker, and speculating that Dan is green. You later backpedal to state that you haven't gotten a Town feeling from Dan yet. Which is it now? Looks like a convenient bandwagon hop to me. Yeah no, you're gonna have to explain this in a satisfying way, missy.
This is a thing too.

After having called PX scum for so long yesterday, Shadoweh has yet to mention or even vote for him yet today? ???
I mean it's slike sersiouly.
She like throwing around NK speculation that's not going to go anywhere.
She's also trying to create confusion by grabbing a list of the more active people in D1 and saying "omg they didn't die obviously there's scum inside that group".
I mean, even if you ignore aow bad doing that by sitsle f is since it creates suspicion and atteampts to get people tp tunnel just on that group of people, all it is sis just noise.
noiseonoisenoisenoinseoinse.
Adn then Swadoweh sayas to job that like he should post hits reads when she's braely doing that herlself..
I mean it's like she said atojng about pesco but then you lave stuff lie:
WHAT THE HELL. YOU PICKED SCHEZO?!
but thens he lisek explains herlsfe what motivation scumf might ave had to kill schaezo.
My natural gut instinct is to vote Pesco. First, he voted up both the town-flipped now. Secondly, when I ask myself "Who the fuck would nightkill Schezo?" I can clearly see him reasoning that no one wants to vote Schezo anyways and killing him now when it's nebulous. It looks guiltless since Schezo never looked back at Pesco. Hmm. I can see motive for Omba and huh what, and the trail pointing to Hero seems so obvious as to be forged.
anfd thens the goes bakc to lietk saying omg why woud you kill schezoll.e no way scum would kill shcezo.
I on the other hand, am incredibly shocked all of Omba, Pesco and Bardiche lived. I'm not surprised at my own state of living being. You should take more pride and look at it from this angle. Who out there considers YOU less of a threat then SCHEZO the guy who was a scum wagon for one post?

okay i think my braing melaited as i rwite this post.
i'm going to sleep or saomting

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #393 on: October 10, 2011, 12:27:30 PM »
I'ADSMG NOT DSGRUNKO HERO SDVCEREW YOU

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #394 on: October 10, 2011, 01:17:10 PM »
So you base my lynch off of a stupid reason, then find a (slightly related but) different reason when you realize that won't work? Ok.

I believe I told the town as much about my 'thoughts' as I could muster. I've never had to deal with scum-hunting like this before, so saying I'm "lost" is kind of an understatement. Despite this, I tried making an opinion, and this ended up being, consequentially, mostly based on others' posts.

Maybe a little explanation on my play-style so far is in order. At first I was wary of Schezo and ActionDan, because that seemed to be the consensus (yes, I know how terrible this is, no need to say anything). Then, to try and produce my own opinion without knowing how to properly scum-hunt, I tried finding inconsistencies and basing stuff off of logic. As a result, I had less INFO to post and more opinions. I'm not holding back from posting info, it's just that I don't have any in the first place. Call this scummy all you want, but it's the truth.

So what? It doesn't excuse your actions on Day 1. The only way you don't have any info is because you aren't actively scumhunting. The only truth in the game is what the mod says is true.

There's a reason I wanted PX to say his stuff: I'm currently leaning towards a PX lynch, and I wanted to hear him out, but he's been online for ample time now and I'm not seeing anything. Now, I've been in this kind of scenario before, where a suspect spouts irrelevant info out of possible panic and before likely demise. This could be one of two things: a townie trying to share his suspicions/what he thinks is important info with the rest of the town, or scum trying to mislead the town in order to survive. I know it's in order to survive because, if he DOES die, the town would automatically discard any of his prior cases, making this a waste. And, if this really is the case, Dan went for Hero and not PX, even though I think PX was the more suspected of the two at the time (I think he had one vote more on him, as well), so this could also mean that PX is scum. If it's the former, though (the panicked town), I've been in this scenario before. And the former is usually the case.

It is now ten minutes before 2:00 AM. Unless I see a plea from PX to convince me otherwise in this time, I'm casting the final vote.

At this post I believe you could have hammered if you so wished. You state that you would, but you don't. If you did, it would have been a clear sign of you wanting PX lynched over Dan. Why would you be afraid of delivering on a commitment you told everyone?

Prior to this waiting for PX post, you've never shown any interest in him. So where did it come from and where did your "My official vote on Dan is put on hold" thing go?

Shadoweh had better give us a wall when she posts again. I don't want to read some shoddy attempt at copying a Kitten's playstyle. I want to hear Shadoweh's ORIGINAL methods.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #395 on: October 10, 2011, 01:26:07 PM »
@Huh What: You believe I'm scum, yet if you truly believe that then why did you switch you ActionDan, someone I was after all game?
He was also someone who you had a Town read. Are you that willing to give the "scum" the satisfaction in obtaining his lynch?

Schezo believed ActionDan to be town, he refused to move his vote even near end day. You compromised with voting anyone, even your town read.

##Vote Huh What

@Omba: For your question,
Omba: Feels like a leader. Wary, but town read.
Huh what: Mentioned in the above content.
Shadoweh: The sudden swap as mentioned by Bard, is suspicious. Still, Neutral leaning scum.


Stupid net refusing to connect

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #396 on: October 10, 2011, 01:53:53 PM »
Why would you be afraid of delivering on a commitment you told everyone?
1) Shadoweh asked me not to. Hammering before time is generally bad for the town, unless I was 100% sure my action was going to benefit the town, of course. Which leads me to:
2) PX didn't defend himself yet. As long as he didn't defend himself, there was a chance of my (and other's) opinion changing. At the time, I WAS going to hammer him. Presently, I still would have hammered him, seeing as his defense wasn't really a defense. But, since the chance existed, I thought giving those extra two hours, and in that letting PX defend himself, would benefit the town MORE than just hammering it then. I was wrong, but it was a logical move back then.

Prior to this waiting for PX post, you've never shown any interest in him. So where did it come from and where did your "My official vote on Dan is put on hold" thing go?
One of two people were going to get lynched: ActionDan or PX. At first, I thought ActionDan's posts seemed like panicked scum, which I tried explaining at the time. Then, his following posts made me re-examine the situation, and made me think that he's actually town, which I explained in the post you quoted. Seeing as there were only two options (him and PX), did I even need to be 'interested' in PX to vote for him? In my eyes, ActionDan was leaning towards town and PX was a big 'I have no idea'. Obviously, I was going to vote for the latter, although I wasn't happy with both choices, and I don't think most of the others were.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #397 on: October 10, 2011, 02:39:11 PM »
Hammer when you decide there's caught scum. Waiting until deadline to have a lynch is a bad habit that needs to be beaten out of you people. What gives if Shadoweh asked you to not hammer? Was she confirmed town?

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PX didn't defend himself yet. As long as he didn't defend himself, there was a chance of my (and other's) opinion changing.
Because PX didn't defend himself, your opinion of him could change...

PX not posting anything to change the opinions of him, meant that your opinion of him could still change...

Why? There's something horribly disconnected going on here.

Dan, if prepping a Pesco case is your main concern, why are you making a counterwagon out of one of Hero/PX? If you believe it will convince us that he is, in fact, obvscum, the counterwagon is completely unneeded, and for the sake of momentary survival all you had to do was, well, ask for momentary survival. "Don't get majority on me until I'm done posting this" or something like that. And if you think whatever you're tying to post now WON'T lead to a Pesco lynch, shouldn't your focus be on making a better Hero case? This split-focus confuses me.

Opinions don't come from nowhere. This is the last thing you say about Dan. It doesn't tell me that you thought him town. The last indication of your stance on him was that your vote should count as being on the guy, which implies that you want him lynched for being scum.

When you tell us that you're willing to Hammer PX, it means that you think he's scum or that you think his lynch is the better one to have if we're faced with a mad dash for deadline. You say you were waiting for him to post a defense, but I don't see you fielding him any questions. What exactly do you want the guy to defend himself from then? If he posts, he's answering to other people. He's not specifically replying to what you want to know about him. You don't mention anyone else's questions directed at him that you think he should definitely answer. What do you want him to post a defense on?

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #398 on: October 10, 2011, 03:12:03 PM »
Hammer when you decide there's caught scum. Waiting until deadline to have a lynch is a bad habit that needs to be beaten out of you people. What gives if Shadoweh asked you to not hammer? Was she confirmed town?
Because PX didn't defend himself, your opinion of him could change...

PX not posting anything to change the opinions of him, meant that your opinion of him could still change...

Why? There's something horribly disconnected going on here.
*What 'caught scum'? The situation wasn't Scum/Neutral -- it was Neutral/Town.
*She wasn't confirmed town, nor was she confirmed scum. All her comment did was make me reconsider my action. I realized there were two more hours (not one), and that I may not be giving PX enough time, so I reconsidered.
*What makes you think he didn't want to defend himself? I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that he's in PST earlier in the thread, so not having a chance to defend himself, rather than choosing not to defend himself, is perfectly possible.
Opinions don't come from nowhere. This is the last thing you say about Dan. It doesn't tell me that you thought him town. The last indication of your stance on him was that your vote should count as being on the guy, which implies that you want him lynched for being scum.
Yes, OK. How does this contradict with what I'm saying? I thought he was slightly scum, then I thought he was slightly town. This post was still in the process of changing my perspective, but yes, my vote was still going to be on Dan at the time. It wasn't after his spree of random posts that I changed my mind.
When you tell us that you're willing to Hammer PX, it means that you think he's scum or that you think his lynch is the better one to have if we're faced with a mad dash for deadline. You say you were waiting for him to post a defense, but I don't see you fielding him any questions. What exactly do you want the guy to defend himself from then? If he posts, he's answering to other people. He's not specifically replying to what you want to know about him. You don't mention anyone else's questions directed at him that you think he should definitely answer. What do you want him to post a defense on?
Who says I was going to question him? As I noted a few times back then, it was really late for me. All I wanted from him is an indication that he's ready to defend himself, then hopefully to see some of this defense and possibly change my mind. I didn't have any questions for him regardless, maybe aside from "why do you post so little" -- he posted so little, I didn't have what to ask about! Let me repeat: he was NEUTRAL. I didn't have any opinion on him. So, when I had a bad opinion on Dan, my vote was on Dan, and when I had a good opinion on Dan, my vote was on PX. This doesn't mean I had anything at all against PX, or anything to ask him about. I was hoping that the people who voted for him originally had the questions, so ultimately, they would be doing the questioning.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #399 on: October 10, 2011, 03:53:04 PM »
Dormio (0):
huh what (2): Omba, Hero999
BT (1): Pesco
Bardiche (0):
Omba (0):
Pesco (0):
Serela (0):
PX (0):
Hero999 (1): huh what
JOB (0):
Shadoweh (2): Bardiche, Dormio

Not Voting: BT, PX, Shadoweh,  JOB, Serela

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.  D2 ends in ~58 hours (watch countdown).
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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #400 on: October 10, 2011, 05:40:24 PM »
BT: I don't think I get your method of hunting scum. And you're currently doing a great job of transparently trying to weasel your way out of this. What I can gather from your words is that you didn't really have anything close to a real read on anyone.

As for that Shadoweh thing. Not convinced talking about NK WIFOM is indicative of her being scum. Thinking about that NK is what initially got me to take an especially close look at the players I haven't done much on so far; I can see why she'd think there definitely has to be a theoretically discernible motive, although I don't see how she would be able to definitively find out what the reason for the NK actually was. Because I sure couldn't. Would like to hear her explanation on that part specifically.
I'm... not sure concerning the way she switched wagons at the end of day, either. I changed my own opinions rather radically some time before that after reading Pesco's Dan case, so it stands to reason that me pointing out the disconnects in her opinion and the resulting vote here could have similarly changed her mind. Still, not liking that she didn't spot that disconnect herself that close to a lynch.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #401 on: October 10, 2011, 06:13:48 PM »
Villain999: Anyone else you think is scummy, as opposed to maybe scummy maybe neutral not really sure?

Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #402 on: October 10, 2011, 06:44:50 PM »
RE: Omba: The point I switched was when the Hero wagon was pretty obviously hopeless. If you re-read the thread you'll notice that I did try to get people to comment on Hero, they just didn't buy the case. I didn't press further because heckling people for disagreeing with me isn't convincing, just annoying and likely to clog up the thread. That, and I wasn't going to magically spring up a gigantic Hero wagon at the end of the day when he had 2 votes and the other wagons had 5 given the people around. So yeah, you're voting me on playstyle and unfortunate circumstances.
RE: Hero: Well maybe I voted him because everybody else was being stubborn at deadline and I didn't want a randomlynch? <_< It's not like Dan was confirmed town to me, and a lynch that the town agrees on is better than something decided by Keine. Your content is still really weak if this and a waffly Shadoweh stance are all you have at this point, why are people not voting for this. Gut tells me you're voting me because I'm attacking you and you want a wagon to take off on me from Omba's vote (read: OMGUS).

J.O.B and BT (Shadoweh too but she's actually getting called out for it) are posting a lot today but don't actually have their vote down on who they think is scum. This makes me frown. Come to think of it, I haven't heard any opinions from BT at all today, which is irritating because he was slow to comment on anything yesterday as well. I'd say he's worse than J.O.B on this account, actually. Could be convinced to switch to him but would probably want to ISO him first.

I want to hear from Dormio about people who aren't Shadoweh! His recent post makes me feel better about him because it looks consistent, but I still can't tell where he stands about everybody else.

Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #403 on: October 10, 2011, 06:47:20 PM »
Also, Pesco, what's your actual opinion on Shadoweh? You've been taking occasional shots at her but I can't tell if it's coming from irritation or suspicion.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #404 on: October 10, 2011, 06:53:48 PM »
I'm willing to vote Shadoweh for being scum on the grounds of active lurking and zero scumhunting (going by the stuff she's posted).

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #405 on: October 10, 2011, 07:33:13 PM »
RE: Omba: The point I switched was when the Hero wagon was pretty obviously hopeless. If you re-read the thread you'll notice that I did try to get people to comment on Hero, they just didn't buy the case. I didn't press further because heckling people for disagreeing with me isn't convincing, just annoying and likely to clog up the thread. That, and I wasn't going to magically spring up a gigantic Hero wagon at the end of the day when he had 2 votes and the other wagons had 5 given the people around. So yeah, you're voting me on playstyle and unfortunate circumstances.
Obviously the hero wagon had pretty much no chance of succeeding left here, but here it was still on par with the PX wagon.
And I call bullshit on this. Three posts above this post of yours is me switching my vote after Pesco really hammered the Dan case home. There's no excuse for thinking you had no chance of similarly convincing people, unless you weren't that sure of your preferred case yourself. And actually, me nagging people was part of what got Dan instead of PX lynched in the end, so doubly no excuse there. And this coming from the one who called me out on trying to convince Schezo that he's scum, rather than convincing other people that Schezo is scum, seems kind of ironic.
As for the part where you actually tried to convince people to vote Hero... this one? Or this one? Apart from that, the only thing you've done to get a Hero lynch is pretty much saying 'yeah, I'd prefer to lynch Hero, if you guys are cool with it'.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #406 on: October 10, 2011, 07:56:52 PM »
BT: I don't think I get your method of hunting scum. And you're currently doing a great job of transparently trying to weasel your way out of this. What I can gather from your words is that you didn't really have anything close to a real read on anyone.
Come to think of it, I haven't heard any opinions from BT at all today, which is irritating because he was slow to comment on anything yesterday as well. I'd say he's worse than J.O.B on this account, actually. Could be convinced to switch to him but would probably want to ISO him first.
OK, from now on I'll be doing my best to stop this trend of blaming everything I do itg on my horrible lack of scumhunting experience, but-- I suck at scumhunting. I said this way too many times and am currently doing my best to improve and/or be less reliant on it, but this generally causes me to be really slow with my cases (if they can even be called cases), act weird and whatever else bad you have in mind. D1 is currently a pain for me to reread but despite this I'll do my best to establish my opinion on everyone by the end of today (which for me is in a few hours). So, yeah, I'll be working on that now.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #407 on: October 10, 2011, 08:05:07 PM »
Also can someone please tell me what ISO means?

Omba

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #408 on: October 10, 2011, 08:10:27 PM »
Isolation. As in, viewing only the posts one player has made in the thread. One way to do this: Click on the user's name to get to their profile, then click "Show Posts".

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #409 on: October 10, 2011, 08:34:11 PM »
Hammer when you decide there's caught scum. Waiting until deadline to have a lynch is a bad habit that needs to be beaten out of you people.
I agree with this so much. And not just because I like days ending slightly earlier.

Especially because of how the end of D1 went.

I'm not buying into the huhwhat cases. At all. In fact, I dislike them and I think they're terribad. Hero's solely consists of Huhwhat hammering Dan which is terribad because the alternative to Huhwhat hammering Dan was a Keine randomlynch. Sorry if I'm misinterpreting Omba's case but it sounds like "Huhwhat is too not-scummy to be town".

I mean really.
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He's the only one who so far managed to elegantly avoid getting his hands dirty one way or another.
...so he's scum because he -didn't- do anything bad?

I have a town read on JOB to add to my Huhwhat town read. Oh and Bard too.

I'm not really sure what Shadoweh's reads on people are supposed to be. Who do you think is scum, again?

Okay. Dormio is neutralish for me. I can still definitely get behind a PX lynch because he still hasn't really improved on any of the great lack from yesterday, although it's to be seen whether he'll improve today or not. I think I would support a Hero lynch, too. Everyone else... my opinions are not stable yet.

Hero, PX, Hero, PX, Hero, PX, hmmm.

##Vote:PX
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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #410 on: October 10, 2011, 08:49:04 PM »
Now you say that in this case there is a motive that is both (a) true and (b) findable if we look hard enough. Given you believe in this theory of yours, why not commence the search for the reason so we can all follow your line of thought other than "GUT!" because bla bla gut is evil and it makes you sound like UK who I must also lynches for being SCUM!
Okay, maybe Bard didn't say that last part.

I can show you the reasons I've noted so far.
Pesco's isn't in Schezo's posts, it's the grounds of his voteswitch here. Huh what outlined the exact motives I would give Pesco for wanting that kill. I didn't expect someone else to follow the train of thought for that.

I thought there was a bigger line on huh what at first. Putting that one aside. Huh what still seems town and I would consider him explaining his nightkill choice to be one of those anti-town mistakes Omba is looking for.

There's a few mentions of wanting Dormio murdered. Dormio is impossible to ISO -.- I can't read half his post from today, if he can concisesly tell what he thinks of people now that would be nice. Minds change, kind of like yours. You said I was townish to you before, what changed?

The main offender is Hero as the one he wanted dead the most. I just can't bring myself to want to vote for him. I want to know why he didn't mention JOB when he was clearly suspicious of him yesterday though.

I'm not just going to revote for PX. His wagon was still as shitty today as it was yesterday. I only have one question for him, and it's serious so he should answer. Why didn't you hammer yourself?

I'm kind of busy today, so you're all going to have to wait a few more hours if you want a vote. I feel like I did in NotV, no one is clear scum to me. I'M SO CONFUSED. IT FEELS SO GOOD! \^_^/


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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #411 on: October 10, 2011, 08:57:17 PM »
I can still definitely get behind a PX lynch because he still hasn't really improved on any of the great lack from yesterday, although it's to be seen whether he'll improve today or not. I think I would support a Hero lynch, too. Everyone else... my opinions are not stable yet.

Hero, PX, Hero, PX, Hero, PX, hmmm.

##Vote:PX

How does PX improve if he hasn't posted at all today? You haven't read the game at all and I simply cannot believe you no matter how much you claim you have.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #412 on: October 10, 2011, 09:10:31 PM »
Go away, I don't need your monkey on my back. Your constant mudslinging at my posts without ever addressing them is pretty scummy though.


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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #413 on: October 10, 2011, 09:22:19 PM »
I'm kind of busy today, so you're all going to have to wait a few more hours if you want a vote. I feel like I did in NotV, no one is clear scum to me. I'M SO CONFUSED. IT FEELS SO GOOD! \^_^/
HEYAH GUYS OOLLOKG AT HOW TOWNEI I AM I'M INSVOTKING METATATATATATATATTA. WOTHN O CATUAL REASONT O BACK ITO UP OF CORUJSE.

Go away, I don't need your monkey on my back. Your constant mudslinging at my posts without ever addressing them is pretty scummy though.
HAEY IF YOU THNSIK PESCOP SI STCUMMY AND YOU EVENESAID THAT PESOCP WAS SCUMMY EYSTERDAY WHY DON'T YOU CJVOTE HIM/ I MEAN IT'S LIKE YOU HAVD SUSCIPIONS OF PESCO SEYYSTERDAY AND SIET LOOKSL EIKE YOU HAVE THEM AGIANG TODAY SO WHY DOENS'T YOU VOTES HIM. ORA PZ.

oh god whhy was caps on.
i'll make smp[sto lalters hwen my head coesn't hurs.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #414 on: October 10, 2011, 09:24:23 PM »
Go away, I don't need your monkey on my back. Your constant mudslinging at my posts without ever addressing them is pretty scummy though.

I'll address your posts when you actually post content. You can start by answering the question I asked you yesterday and repeated today. I'm not going to repost or quote it here because that'll just be incentive for you to be lazy and not reread.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #415 on: October 10, 2011, 09:34:43 PM »
For fuck's sake, Dormio, write legible posts. I can barely read the garbage you're posting.

Shadoweh, can you explain the logic or assuming Pesco NKed Schezo? I didn't get that out of your post, nor the weird disconnect (why does everyone copy me in using this word? :V) between "What does it matter who looks worse when Dan and Schezo are both green?" and "I haven't gotten a town read out of Dan yet". At one hand you try to distangle the Dan wagon to vote PX, and then you jump onto Dan after anyway. I don't follow.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #416 on: October 10, 2011, 09:41:55 PM »
How does PX improve if he hasn't posted at all today? You haven't read the game at all and I simply cannot believe you no matter how much you claim you have.
wut

I never said he did either of those things. Because he hasn't. Which is why he's still terrible.
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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #417 on: October 10, 2011, 09:51:44 PM »
What, why I'm not voting scum? How do you expect me to answer that ever? Especially when I'm voting people I don't know the alignment of. If you ask a stupid question repeatedly and don't get an answer for it, maybe it's because it's a stupid gotcha question, Pesco. Do you think I'm going to take YOUR word that you're not scum if I vote you? Hey Pesco, why were you voting for Schezo? Your gut was wrong and he wasn't scum. Hey Pesco why were you voting for Dan? He wasn't scum either. OBVIOUSLY SINCE YOU WERE VOTING TWO TOWN YOU MUST BE SCUM AMIRITE?!

*takes deep breath*

I expect better then that from you. I seriously think you're just doing it to get a rise out of me. Still scummy, but not scum-intended.

ANYWAYS. Dormio, can you ask Google Translate to make your posts today if you're going to be like this? The simple answer to your question is because I have a habit of voting for whoever annoys me the most and I don't know if I'm tunneling on him for being annoying or because he's actually scum. I think my reasoning for why he's town still holds. Your reasoning for not doing anything but posting junk about me doesn't exist. Opinions, we need them to make choices.

If it makes you all feel better, I have found something that irritates me more:

##Unvote
##Vote: Serela


So, Serela. You said here that you liked things from both Dan and PX, and you weren't sure of who to vote at the point where they were pretty much the only two wagons. Here you vote PX over not-Dan because of his continued non-existance. Today, you are voting PX for still being scum? But you never thought he was scum in the first place! You just thought he was the scummier of the two choices! And you're already making it look like that again with a choice between PX and Hero. I want to hear more when you think of everyone else. Like why you randomly thought Pesco was scum but didn't follow up your suspicion.

Bard: Tried to get a wagon running up on him. Wagon dissapated for little to no reason. Kind of being cleared by people. Who would do a kill that effectively trolls all the players like that instead of killing someone pushing discussion? The worrying thought is that someone thought what he did yesterday would make him obvtown later. About the wagons, uhm.. wow I really said that. Now I'm feeling even more trolled by the kill. I changed my mind, is all I can say. The suspicions on his play looked reasonable and I hadn't actually cleared Dan before that. It does make me feel worse about my choice though. I was worried I was tunneling on an early game read and that the wagon I was on had no basis in reality.


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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #418 on: October 10, 2011, 10:14:11 PM »
As promised, A BIG WALL OF TEXT.

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Dormio: Eh... I can't say "no content" because he did have some sort of argument against ActionDan. Albeit, that's the only big case he had. All the others were "small pickings" (yes, I have no problem admitting this), which is what makes me want to see more content. It also doesn't look very good, almost like a sort of "ok, I made some cases, now I can stop contributing to the town" attitude. And I'm going to slam my head into somthing if I see another troll post. Neutral-.

huh what: About Omba's claim that you "haven't gotten your hands dirty", I... agree. You've had some helpful and calculated posts, but I'm not sure how huge your contribution to the town really is, and like Omba explained, this kind of behavior could easily be explained by being scum. However, this can also have other explanations (like anything else in mafia), and the little posts he did make are posts I can really agree with. Others posts just raise really interesting conclusions. #180 and #205, for example. In the former, he raises a good point about the Omba vs Schezo incident which I fully agree on. In the latter, he raises a good point against the ActionDan wagon. Notice how both of these players were revealed to be town. Why, I ask you,  would scum mitigate rolls against not one but two non-scum? Town.

Bardiche: All of his cases (scratch that-- all of his posts) up to now were pretty well-made. Aside from his first case against Shadoweh, maybe, which I still think was kind of dragged-on, but nothing scummy overall. He was always looking at more than one guy (aka, the opposite of tunneling). His posts were very convinving imo, something that would kind of make a good NK target, but like stuff that's already been said, "NK anal" will bring nothing but WIFOM at this stage, and I agree. (Hell, I think Bard himself was the one to say this) Town.

Omba: Definitely a "village leader" vibe, but not one I'm 100% happy of. For someone who posts so much content, the number of players this content refers to is tiny in comparison. This is why people have been accusing Omba of tunnelling in the past, and although it isn't 100% accurate, the accusation's definitely got some kind of reason for existing. I feel like, once he finds a 'prime' scum pick, he just sticks onto him until something major happens, like the general consensus on that player changing. Kind of like what happened with Schezo. Really, I do agree with most if not all of your content, but the way you're doing it all worries me. Neutral+.

Pesco: Very very similar to Omba in that I agree with most of his content, but the way he plays kind of bugs me. In comparison to Omba, he posts much less content but that's usaully enough. My 'problem' here is not the semi-tunnelling, which partially exists here too (how he was head-on agaisnt Dan from the instance the Schezo incident ended up to the day's conclusion), but the fact that several people had accused him in the duration of the game and his responses were either lacking, stupid or nonexistent. Examples include #97/#98 and #275 (of course)(he instead chooses to reply to his much weaker-based panic posts). Hell, I bet this won't get much attention as well, only proving my point. If you think the accusations lack actual content/reasoning, go ahead and explain why. Don't dismiss them entirely and THEN tell us they're "bad accusations" whe n you're questioned about them. What also annoys me is his consistency at pointing out scummy behavior but almost never expanding on these accusations. This is something I'd call common behavior for a chaos-inducing scum. This usually isn't enough to scream 'scum', but I have other things bugging me which I have yet to identify. Honestly, if not for the exceptionally good content, I probably would have been making a case right about now. Neutral but UGH.

Serela: I honestly can't think of a verdict here. Too little posts, too little influence, too little contribution. Neutral.

PX: Ugh, I don't know. Some of his posts are insightful, some are just plain weird, and some are flat out bandwagoning. I think the reason I don't really have an opinion I can be sure of yet is the fact you've yet to make ONE CASE the entire game. So I suggest you get to that. Neutral-.

Hero999: EXTRAODRINARY CONFUSION. Some of his posts are glaringly bandwagonous, the others I simply can't tell because they confuse me so much. I tried going over his 10 or so posts a few times and I STILL don't understand most of them. And, unless I'm mistaken, and this isn't a result of this confusion, you've not made a single case all game (excluding what might be a very vague huh what case a bit earlier today). Instead, I can identify posts filled mostly (or fully) with questions that only make the town lose progress (questioning the actions of several players at the same time without any huge progress promised in any of them). And if I'm not mistaken, some of these posts went on even near the D1 deadline. Again, I might be exaggerating here, but the combination of little posts along with massive confusion is one I really don't like. I can't, however, claim that you are "absolutely scum". So, Neutral--.

JOB: His 'cases' aren't stellar at all. In fact, I probably disagree with most of them. But he is actively making his opinion known and imo isn't showing any signs of LOOK AT ME I'M SCUM, so it's all good. Honestly don't have much to say here. Neutral+.

Shadoweh: Let's see. At first I had a high opinion here. Then came some kind-of-ill-explained cases along with posts that never really made any breathtaking progress. Still, she was neutral at worst, seeing as I really liked the activity and that there wasn't anything overly scum-like in her posts. Then came the weird shift in vote near the deadline, and I think Bardiche (388#) explains this nicely. Nothing to say here but "I agree with this post", as I really do. Expanding on this myself won't bring to anything new anyway, so I won't bother. Kind of a bad opinion currently, but it could be worse. Neutral-.


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Alright, you might have noticed no 'Scum' and plenty of 'Neutral-'. Well, that's because 1) I'm naturally indicisive and 2) I really don't have a scum pick I'm completely fine with. Despite this, I'm probably the most fine with Hero999, so ##Vote Hero999.

Pesco, there's another thing that bugs me that I didn't mention above. Namely-- what you were doing with me in these last few posts. At first, you fling a dumb case at me. I respond, and you fling yet another case at me. And then you do it AGAIN. If you have something against me, just do it in one big case. There should be no reason for this stupid shenanigan. You're either toying with me, testing me, or just being outright dumb.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #419 on: October 10, 2011, 10:18:23 PM »
BT is adorable. He's also probably not scum. Get your stupid vote off of him.


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