Touhou 13 ~ Ten Desires announced!

[Alfred F. Jones]

Being reasonable is different from wanting more. Patchouli has had a decent number of appearances and is fairly well-fleshed-out in canon, but that doesn't stop me from wanting to see more of her.

Do I think she needs to appear more? No, not really. But I certainly would like to see my favorite character again.

I know that none of my favourite characters will ever come back, so I've pretty much stopped wanting to see more of them, since I don't like exerting effort towards pointless endeavours. /shrug

If they do ever come back, it'll be an unasked-for, wonderful surprise. But liking unpopular characters is a great way to stop caring about returning characters. Because it's not going to happen with Shikieiki or Yumemi, ever. :S

[nintendonut888]

Nope. Aya is probably the better example. At this point, I won't whine if she doesn't get any more appearances, since she's already got  a bunch under her belt. It's called 'being reasonable'. People who can possibly want to see more Yukari after she's been in almost every entry in the Touhou series are not practicing that. >__>

I know I'm biased, but like I said, Yukari's backstory is fascinating to me and I would love to see more about her. She hasn't appeared since SA (you can't really call most appearances in Soku "appearances" since they had to be imported from SWR), and since she's probably as major a character as you can get without being a main, I wouldn't say another appearance in the not too distant future would be unreasonable to expect. At the same time, like I said I'm more than willing to see other characters take the spotlight. :S To be honest I'm not even sure what we're arguing about anymore, so let's drop it. In the end it's all about wants, and I certainly don't expect Yukari to appear in Ten Desires, so I'mma stop talking about this here.

[Lreaper9]

I'm actually kind of expecting cameos to appear regardless, so maybe we will get something on this matter anyways. (like story endings or after fights or what not.)

[RegalStar]

Being reasonable is different from wanting more. Patchouli has had a decent number of appearances and is fairly well-fleshed-out in canon, but that doesn't stop me from wanting to see more of her.

Do I think she needs to appear more? No, not really. But I certainly would like to see my favorite character again.

I think the more fundamental difference is between to want to see more of a character, and to demand to see more of a character.

[Yakitori]

I honestly wouldn't mind just one new character. I bet she would look something like this

[Stuffman]

Actually the old touhou template is a bit outdated. Touhous don't necessarily need headgear or even parasols anymore (see Parsee, Byakuren, Nue).

The new gimmick is for every touhou to be holding some kind of item!

[Letty Whiterock]

Holding a hat.

[Barrakketh]

Their hats should have their own hats.

[Kips McKipzerson]

Their hats should have their own hats.

Double hats
all the wayyyyyy
across the skyyyyyyyyy

[Helepolis]

Oh boy, first it was pages of Mima now we are over to Kasen? Nobody can predict ZUN's mind. Nobody was expecting Fairy Wars. Everybody was speculating his ass off for touhou 13 and ZUN smacks people with 12.8.

I wouldn't be surprised if ZUN surprises us with the full version of 10D. Too bad we have to wait few more months for that.

[Whatthe]

Their hats should have their own hats.

SOILERS: every hatted touhou is like this, but the lower-layered hats are small enough to be completely covered and fool us all into thinking that there is only one

[Iryan]

SOILERS: every hatted touhou is like this, but the lower-layered hats are small enough to be completely covered and fool us all into thinking that there is only one

Actually, there are hats even blow those hats, and so forth.

Infinite recursion.

FRACTAL HATS!

[N-Forza]

The new gimmick is for every touhou to be holding some kind of item!

UFO wasn't enough for you?

[Laplace]

Actually, there are hats even blow those hats, and so forth.

Infinite recursion.

FRACTAL HATS!

 Beyond the Impossible Sign; 「Infinite Mercury Infected Haberdashery of Pascal Pressure of Quark Micro Infrastructure to the MAX」
 :getdown:

[tbax704]

I hope my computer is upgraded when ZUN released it. I want to play it without any problems 'cause I can't even play th11-12.8 without any lags

[Unassuming Squid]

FRACTAL HATS!

Frats?

In any case, regarding the discussion about returning characters...I'd actually rather not see old characters return as NPCs in the main games. The main games have always been there to introduce a new batch of characters into the series, and to have an old character return to fill in a slot a new character could have occupied feels kind of like we're being gypped at this point. That's what the decimal games are for; sometimes they'll add a new character or two (Suika, Tenshi, Iku, Hatate), but most of the cast will be returning characters who get their backgrounds fleshed out a bit more.

In addition, some characters not being as fleshed out as others will, for better or worse, just give the fandom more freedom to make their own interpretations of a character. Using Flandre as an example (only because she's one of my favorite characters and I've talked about bringing her back before), it's entirely possible my interpretation of her would be completely contrary to what ZUN imagined and, being the strict canon-follower I am, I'd have to drop or at the very least change my interpretation of her to suit ZUN's new information.

tl;dr, main games are for adding new characters, and the fans/decimal games/print works can flesh out the rest.

[Iryan]

One thing I really liked about SA was how the many different shottypes led to many different sets of dialogue and endings, giving both the new characters more chances to establish themselves as well as giving the old characters chosen for youkai partners the chance to flesh themselves out. Three-way dialogues can also show things two-way-dialogues can't, and especially showing the interaction of the new characters with a larger set of old characters than in the other games.

[Solais]

For me, Fairy Wars was a great treat. I mean, my favorite character who doesn't have a name, theme, lines, story have appeared again!

By the way, so how will we call Ten Desires? TD or 10D?

[tbax704]

I wish ZUN uses the cool old bombing sequence like the one on Imperishable Night for Ten Desires

[Infy♫]

a friend found this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_spiritual_realms
so if zun based the game somewhat on that concept
there must be 4 extra stages
for each character??

[7TC7]

a friend found this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_spiritual_realms
so if zun based the game somewhat on that concept
there must be 4 extra stages
for each character??

Why would you think of extra stages, if there is the much more likely stage 4 gimmick to be had? If IN had two different bosses and SA pretty much had six i wouldn't be a surprise if stage 4 somehow had four different bosses this time or the four playables dueling it out against each other.

Predicting:
Stage 1: Hunger (Yuyuko is back!)
Stage 2: Animality
Stage 3: Arrogance
Stage 4: Four Noble Realms (as said above)
Stage 5: Humanity (because stage 5 bosses tend to be humans that turn playable in later games, maybe?)
Stage 6: Heaven
Stage EX: Hell

[WHMZakeri]

Why would you think of extra stages, if there is the much more likely stage 4 gimmick to be had? If IN had two different bosses and SA pretty much had six i wouldn't be a surprise if stage 4 somehow had four different bosses this time or the four playables dueling it out against each other.

Stage 4: Four Noble Realms (as said above)

Learning (Truth through outside sources): Vs. Marisa
Realization (Truth through internal perceptions): Vs. Reimu
Bodhisattvahood (Aspires for enlightenment through helping others): Vs. Youmu
Buddhahood (Freedom from delusion, suffering, and anger): Vs. Sanae

I honestly wouldn't mind just one new character. I bet she would look something like this

I was surprised to find someone made a new one of these, but I honestly shouldn't have been since the last one already got turned into Satori.

[Paper Conan]

I was surprised to find someone made a new one of these, but I honestly shouldn't have been since the last one already got turned into Satori.

That one was turned into Hatate.....  :V

[Drayen]

If you think about it, this game could be much bigger than the other games, as Zun is putting back spell practice, we'll most likely have last words, and considering Zun worked on small projects like fairy wars between, he possibly put more time on ten desires?

I'd love to see a phantasm stage along with the spell practice anyways : P

[Myschi]

I wish ZUN uses the cool old bombing sequence like the one on Imperishable Night for Ten Desires

Old bombing sequence?

[Helepolis]

Predicting:
Stage 1: Hunger (Yuyuko is back!)
Stage 2: Animality
Stage 3: Arrogance
Stage 4: Four Noble Realms (as said above)
Stage 5: Humanity (because stage 5 bosses tend to be humans that turn playable in later games, maybe?)
Stage 6: Heaven
Stage EX: Hell

. . . And which of these a cemetery would belong to ?

[Drake]

I wish ZUN uses the cool old bombing sequence like the one on Imperishable Night for Ten Desires

Ugh, really? Nothing in IN had any feeling at all. Everything is just HOLY SHIT RANDOM FLASHING THING! I'M NOT EVEN QUITE SURE WHAT IT IS! ENEMIES ARE DEAD. There's no personality to any of them. Even PCB's bombs were better.

I know I'd like to see Duplex Barrier again in this new style.

[theshirn]

HOLY SHIT RANDOM FLASHING THING! I'M NOT EVEN QUITE SURE WHAT IT IS! ENEMIES ARE DEAD.

oh my god I want this to play before bosses

[Zengeku]

That would be pretty awesome yes but isn't it a little early to say that the enemies are dead? Just before a boss?

[Letty Whiterock]

Bombs do not need personality. They're bombs. They explode. It's what they do.