Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: GAME OVER, ROLES WIN!

[capt. h]

Dorian and I are going to drunkenly post in our QT now and see if you make more sense that way.
No, too derp to be scum was last game. This is NeoSerela level 'Let's self hammer in LYLO and catch the scum tomorrow' idiocy, or Helepolis 'Let's vote myself and pray PX doesn't hammer me for fun' plans. Only town believes these kinds of silly plays are the best option.

What part about me thinking you're town don't you understand? Apparently I believe in it more then you do. Stop WIFOMing, assuming everything revolves around your miller claim, realize we are not quicklynching and make cases instead of giving scum free reign to throw you into the Grand Canyon.

Shadoweh, if the reason you're clearing LLD is because you're wondering "Why would scum do this?", I can answer "That's why."

I would very much like to LLD's reads on other players. Not reactionary time stops. Not miller claims and OMGUS. Not suggestions to quick lynch half the game (especially considering my top scum pick Dormio isn't on her list). Just well thought out explanations for why she thinks the players she wants to lynch are scummy. I'm going to assume she is better than she is playing right now, because Mai Tokita was better than this. And when I come back, I'm going to decide whether I think she's my top scum pick or not. Because right now all she's done is send town running in circles and made the game as chaotic as possible.

[UncertainJakutten]

The Twenty First "Wheel of Fortune" Vote Count

Mod Note: Yays! We can continue as planned! Though, really, I second Bard's call to tone down the personal attacks. Thanks .

Lady LambdaDelta (4): PX, Edible, Anthony, Dormio
Omba (0)
Anthony (0)
Chaore (2): Shadoweh, huh what
PX (1):  Affinity
capt.h (1):
Shadoweh (0)
Dormio (1): capt. h
Affinity (0)
Edible (1): LLD

Not Voting (1): Chaore 

Lady LambdaDelta is at L-2
With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch
Game Day Seven Ends at 1:00 PM, EDT, Wednesday

[Shadoweh]

capt.h: I don't have a question of it. There is no reason scum would do this. It's not founded in logic. Also I would like people to stop voting for her now since she seems quite eager to hammer her VI self and I would much rather town accumulates points for their roles and possibly lynches someone that's ACTUALLY SCUM.  I will repeat your request of her though since SHE NEEDS TO DO THIS.

I would very much like to LLD's reads on other players. Not reactionary time stops. Not miller claims and OMGUS. Not suggestions to quick lynch half the game (especially considering my top scum pick Dormio isn't on her list). Just well thought out explanations for why she thinks the players she wants to lynch are scummy.

[Lexicat]

V/LA for two days while I gather what wits I have remaining and try to find my sanity

[ES-Anthy]

Okay after reading through this thread while occasionally checking the updates and seeing how bad this is all going, lets pull this vote off of LLD before death occurs :V

##Unvote: Lady LambdaDelta

Lets get this started up before shit goes tumbling down even further now, first off ActionDan looked like he was up next for the chopping block by lynching following capt. h just from the order of things, needing to prove this is like needing to put up a sign to tell someone the sign is there.  Now to be frank everything including what's happening now looks like, and the results of, a landslide in how messed up stuff looks, anything with Omba feels like it died with the death of Schezo, his last full post was when the majority of the point system was found out, and following that was LLD's time stop for 12 hours, and at that point Omba was waiting for the flip, and now is being replaced by huh what who which hasn't provoked much.  Earlier I said that PX didn't have much, well nothings really changed, as anything to do with him, like LLD wanting PX dead, his preferences of who gets lynched first with nothing much behind it, and saying he was useless with the claim of being Jotaro Kujo (which if true is totally BS as Star platinum is the best stand in the world)

With that ActionDan, Omba(now huh what), and PX are put into the positions of gonna die, gotta wait, and gotta get something in those lines so they're not tiggy sticks.  LLD I'll hold off on cause seriously I ain't touching this still the derp gets behind the hurp.

with the remaining people, capt. h, Shadoweh, Dormio,Affinity, and Edible, the only ones ever really even being considered real scum was capt. h.  First off Shadoweh, Edible, and Affinity I don't view as needing to post much other than I don't view them as scum, as I have seen the mass majority of their material does indeed back their points and follow trails that actually make sense, needing me to point this out just detracts from the points of focusing on scum, and if a gut feeling pushed on by how one acts is scummy, then the world is a pretty filthy place BV (filthier than it already is I might add)

Now that leaves my speculation on capt. h and Dormio.  Dormio throughout this has beein pretty much traveling the wet tile floor with banana peels all over it, slipping up and fumbling with several claims including his early game LLD miller (which from now on is pretty much pointless and it still makes me feel that OMGUS may be in effect :VV:), Other than the slipups there really isn't much that spurs me to think he's scum, but there's that tiny voice in the back of my head that doesn't let him be fully cleared.  Now with capt. h I've seen the bits and pieces, though it looks like the heat fell off of him after the schezo lynching and the rise of Dan's scumlevel, and due to that I'm really wondering if there's a point to persuing capt.h for now.


In the end, current focus is on actionDan, but even now I'm a little curious from the fact he seemed to want to die already for one, and that he's getting replaced by chaore, so I'm just thinking maybe that last bit was due to a case of screw this :V

Other than that capt. h is an eh choice for me, and I'm holding on LLD so we don't end up lynching town being super overly too much down derpaderp.

and now I wait for the pointing out about my not having proof when I don't link posts, sadly I got tired of referencing and supporting directly with the end of my AP English test last month :VV: and if that's scummy then I apparently need a bath ~*~badump-tish~*~

[ES-Anthy]

dammit forgetting bolding

##Unvote: Lady Lambdadelta

[Shadoweh]

brb punching myself in the face again.

Yes well that accomplished alot. I'm just going to wait for Chaore to show up now, and have myself some more orange totally non-alcoholic beverage. Since Dan was my choice before this wonderful activity I need to see what he has to say anyways.

[Chaore]

Apologies for the delay, Rabbits can not effectively Mafier on an empty stomach.

Firstly, ##Vote: PX. Stop being useless, even if your role is 'supposedly' useless, this is no excuse to effectively sit through almost everything except day one and offer no actual insight even when you DO speak. You have made absolutely no actual cases, have only followed up on what has actually happened and your only explanation for your current vote is a single line asking why someone wants you dead. You have not scumhunted at all, and I find that absurdly scummy. Your only claim to town is a vote on Schezo- after he was pretty much assuredly dead, and only even stated you wanted him dead after he was shot. I don't find assuming that vote as a bus to be very unbelievable.

Zakeri was similarly absent, but I seem to remember him atleast trying to scum hunt- though his replacement does no favors to him, still sitting on the fence for all practical reasons (Put your vote down on me if you think Action Dan is scum- or is he just 'the focus'?), but I'll give Anthony time to try and settle in and actually scum hunt. Wouldn't say lynch her yet, but I'm not really seeing anything good from this side.

Oomba doesn't really stand out either in my mind, though I do recall he actually seemed to scumhunt and didn't set off any flags, though Huhwhat...seems to be going for an easy vote right after replacement on a target that wouldn't fire back. Then again, there isn't particularly anything wrong with that and his case is fairly solid. Also pretty solidly in the middle.

Affinity has been lurking hard enough I have trouble remembering they're part of the game- and they really have contributed exactly jack shit. I also would love to hear what he wants me to apparently answer for- He doesn't seem to mention what that is ANYWHERE. To that I will also explain that, sadly, I am not a mindreader and capable of informing him what the hell Dan was thinking. Add to that his suspiciously missing case on Schezo when he voted him, instead saying a bunch of words about Capt. H and how Schezo relates to him. His inability to drop this even riding into today seems...honestly suspicious. Not getting a good vibe from him, frankly.

Edible is...honestly kind of terrible actually, he's been on Lambda really hard and though I can see where hes coming from, at a certain point I have to wonder how much of that rage is real and how much is faux for the point of making him look like a blinded townie. Not feeling too great about him, but this relies on Lambda...well, actually being town.

Dormio makes my head hurt, and I honestly wonder if town could possibly be so stupid and then I remember very clearly yes it can. Frankly he plays pinball with me but I find him more townie than not, though that may be because he is actually saying things and making cases. It helps I really can't see anything drastically wrong with him. I'd prefer to not see him lynched, at least quite yet.

Shadoweh is probably the towniest player in my mind, she's active, making cases, and seems to actually be scumhunting. I really can't ask for more and she's not given me a single reason to doubt her. This obviously means she's actually scum and I'm going to be embarassed when she flips, but I'm going to stick with my guns and say she is in fact, town.

Capt. H is a bit sticky, but on basis of him being the counterwagon to Schezo and Schezo trying to pit his claim against his, I see no reason to not call him town for the moment.

Similarly, As for LLD, It may be me being nonplussed to towns of the Kittendelta variety, but I can really only see her as town. She's not exactly playing WELL and I honestly don't agree much with her methods, but I get that pretty sweet smell of 'this person has townie intentions' from her, and I usually trust that smell over my brain, for better or worse.

As it stands, My rankings kind of stand at PX>Edible>Affinity>EveryoneElse>LLD>Shadoweh as far as scum rankings go. This is with PX at scummiest and shadoweh at towniest.

[capt. h]

Alright, here are my reads:

Affinity - I've gotten a town vibe from her, except for the fact that she's been going after me all game. Most likely to be town.

Omba /Huh What - More content would have been nice before he left, but leaning on neutral.

PX - Needs to post, but no particular reason to believe he's scum other than lurking. Neutral.

Edible - Usual anti-town play. I agree with his attack on LLD though, and he's consistent. Neutral.

Zakari / Anthony - Usual lurker play. Hasn't really made any points though, as opposed to Edible. Not sure what to think of Anthony yet. Neutral.

Action Dan / Chaore - I'm willing to give Chaore the benefit of the doubt at the moment. Doesn't excuse Action Dan, but not a priority. Suspicious.

Dormio - Scummy. Haven't changed my read on him.

LLD - I've read some of her meta, and I've come to the conclusion that she is better than this. I would like to know why she needs a full 2 days - but I don't want to give her twenty free points without explanations from her. I, unlike Shadoweh, think scum can be just as derp as town and that derp is a null tell (as LLD proved in her previous game). However, she isn't even derp scum hunting, and when pressed for her reads, she leaves us for days on end. She hasn't provided any content, just bad play and confusion. And after reading the meta she helpfully provided us, I have decided that she isn't as bad as she's playing the game right now. Frankly, the only way I would excuse her play is if she flips scum.

##Vote: LLD


I'm doing a seperate post for my Shadoweh read.

[capt. h]

Shadoweh begins the game a bit drunk. Parks a vote on Dan for wanting to lynch every 24 hours and being lazy about K4U. Criticizes Lady 34 heavily, but at the time she doesn't actually state an opinion of LLD, which is strange. She first gets criticized for parking her vote on Dan in 164, and attacks Zak in 167 for a post Zak made long before his Shadoweh vote. It's weird that she didn't note Zak's post until after Zak voted her. Later she votes Schezo without explaining why she's voting Schezo until after her vote. She was third on the wagon, which while clich?, is a tell she gave off a lot thelast time she was scum. Her next opinions are in post 283, when she votes Dormio for tunneling. A lot of posts pressing for information. She makes this post (her best post all game, in my opinion, since she posts her opinions on everyone):

Dan: If you need two days you should take them now so you're not gone too far past Day 7. I'm pretty sure we're not lynching you yet unless someone claims a guilty on you over Sailor Schezo over there.

Schezo: The only thing that would stupify me more is if you contributed! I suggest if we go into Day 6 your post be a song about how the RNG wants you to be scum to the tune of Paint the Town Red.
Well fair enough if you really think so. I don't think we're any happier with capt.h then you are still, but there's a long list of everyone else we're not happy with. I agree that most of yesterday was chipping in nothing, it doesn't make me any happier about it. The information is more useful after the flip only if people actually put out the bloody information in the first place. I feel Schezo is a bad excuse to forget all that other early game stuff happened. LLD and Dormio still had a spat, Dormio is still singlemindedly twittering, Omba still voted Edible, Dan still seems to think I'm scum, I have no idea if Zak still thinks so since he STILL hasn't given me those opinions I asked for, Edible is still doing insane amounts of active lurking, and my parrot and I agree that if we consider Omba and Edible's post to be meager, then PX can only be described as freaking famished with streamlined opinions that he literally only contributes when I prod him. We are NOT going to forget three days just because Schezo trainwrecked so hard.

Speaking of early day things, I don't think I'm properly representing how much Dorian wants us to kill LLD with fire. I mean, really lynch the seven hells out of her over Schezo. The only part we disagree on is whether the ragequit is a sign of townism or not. It's certainly not the content since her posts alone consist of votepark, WIFOM Miller claim, blatantly attack the first person to point out it's WIFOM and vote her, insist one person voting for her is scum realllly pushing for that miller lynch, then claim she didn't introduce any WIFOM, all she did was claim Miller. Newsflash, it was WIFOM and someone was going to vote you for it. Since everything after that from her is /effort and jumping on Affinity's capt.h x Schezo train, I admit I'm also interested in their flips. If I start to feel like I'm talking to a wall again I'm going to let Dorian do the talking to you for me, and he wants you dead so you reallllllly don't want that Lambda.

I still want answers to questions people have been ignoring for days. I don't want them to be forgotten in the rush of 'Hooray Schezo flipped scum!' or 'WTF SCHEZO IS THE WORST TOWN EVER!' I fully intend to keep pushing these questions after the lynch if I have to. But like I said, the only real reason to lynch early is going to be motivation. Omba, I'd imagine it's true the scum work on points as well. The reason it should in theory be better for town to wait the extra day is there are simply more of us then there are of them and eight-nine roles should beat three and a possible one's role.

Kitten stop cutting me with everything I want to say.

After that comes the LLD rage. Small talk with Dormio, tells him he's scummy, tells me I'm scummy, and then says she'll be around for the deadline. At deadline, joke votes Schezo to L+1, and then (somewhat oddly) corrects her joke vote on Schezo with the proper bolding, which is just what town needed for Schezo to be lynched. I found the joke and the correction both a little strange in light of the fact that PX?s vote was moved and we did need her help ? not scummy per se, but strange. She then makes a quick case on Action Dan and votes him after Schezo?s flip, which is strange because she wasn?t voicing much suspicion of Action Dan the day before. In fact, she talked quite a bit more about her suspicions of Dormio, which she quickly dropped after the lynch. She then posts some reads on Affinity and Edible which is good, before going into LLD rage while insisting LLD is town. The fact that LLD is derping so badly is pretty much the entire reason for Shadoweh?s clear on LLD.


I've found her behavior odd all game - odd, but not necessarily scummy. Definitely odd enough to keep a close eye on though, so my current read is that her play has been suspicious.

[Affinity]

Affinity has been lurking hard enough I have trouble remembering they're part of the game- and they really have contributed exactly jack shit. I also would love to hear what he wants me to apparently answer for- He doesn't seem to mention what that is ANYWHERE. To that I will also explain that, sadly, I am not a mindreader and capable of informing him what the hell Dan was thinking. Add to that his suspiciously missing case on Schezo when he voted him, instead saying a bunch of words about Capt. H and how Schezo relates to him. His inability to drop this even riding into today seems...honestly suspicious. Not getting a good vibe from him, frankly.

My Schezo case was early here, where I did not enjoy his drop of Omba for someone else, or the reasoning and hierarchy of his cases.  He never did answer my question directly.  Was the first one to shout this out, but since so much had been added by the time I come back after my capt.h vote, there was nothing to it but to blindly agree with everyone.  Also, I did drop capt.h for now and I'm willing to leave him for later, which is why I'm voting PX right now.

As for what I want Dan to answer to, it is to why he agreed to my above case on Schezo early in the game hereand yet decided to stick onto Shadoweh for the rest of the game for less elaborated and rather trivial reasons until K4U's gambit.  It has been a question raised back and forth by K4U, Shadoweh, and others.  I accept if you cannot answer for him, however, though I will still hold it against Dan for it (and thus, willing to vote him)

I'm not really enjoying Chaore's rather bird-eyed view of the game, all about apparent first impressions and nothing about any specifics.  It's not even exactly clear why you are voting PX/Edible over me if you think I'm contributing 'jack shit', since that's why you seem to be voting PX too, making your rankings suspect.  His views are pretty much monochromatic blanket statements and can be divided into 'Is he scumhunting, or is he ain't?" as well as "was he active or not"?  Not impressive, and I'm still quite set on lynching him today; there's no life or detail in any of his reads, and his PX vote has the function of a prod to generally contribute, rather than leading him to any specific question. 

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On Dormio, I'll have to admit that my view on him is somewhat rose-tinted, in that I agreed with his observations on LLD here, which I believed was quite original, but in hindsight, much of his reads are information without analysis (except on Schezo), no matter how original that information might be, in that they don't really tell us who he thinks is scum (parroting from Shadoweh here).  Late jump onto Schezo is also noted, but I still do like him most out of other people of his league, he's at the very least specific and original compared to PX, Zak, and Edible.  I want to at least see who he wants to go for today, and I would want to see him dead the least out of the above.

[Shadoweh]

I've been staring at page 11 for at least four hours now. I almost know what I want to say, but it keeps getting swallowed into a time vortex. To distract myself I'll just put out some small things now while I stare some more.

and now I wait for the pointing out about my not having proof when I don't link posts

Well since you asked so nicely. Your posting style is rambly and hard to follow, I'd like you to clearly state in a small post three people you currently believe could be scum, with three-four sentences on why, preferably to linked posts where this suspicious behaviour occured. It's very important we start being able to understand how your thinking works.

Chaore: GOD DAMN IT CHAORE. Don't sound reasonable, we will still superbus you! You may not be a mindreader, but I'd still like you to go back and take a look at Dan's.. cases.. and give your personal opinion on his play. I'd also like to see more in-depth cases from you on your three top scum reads.

Affinity: :/ Your comment on Chaore looks really awkward when your vote is still on PX. Care to explain that? You should also comment on LLD's.. thing. I note she isn't on the lynchable list you posted right there and I'd like to know where you stand right now.

huh whatty: You also need to give an opinion on LLD now that the mess is over, your post wasn't clear what you think about it besides WTF (a sentiment I agree with, mind you.)

capt.h: Yeah LLD didn't include one of her more recent games complete with rageposting since there's no meta to be found there. Lots of rage though. Mai wasn't better then this, you're missing a huge difference in attitude. Mai didn't care if we weren't listening to her, and was happy to float to blissful endgame. There's nothing floaty about Lambda.

Your case on me makes me giggle. I was third on the wagon against Dormio in BGoM because he was obvious lynch material. I had no reason to be third on Schezo as scum at that time, you were quite the viable counterwagon. This might shock you, but I voted Schezo to L +1 because there wasn't a recent votecount and I believe in vote-changing powers until there's proof otherwise. I did the same thing as Protoman. I'm happy I got kill Schezo again after all. If you look at where Kitten4u was voting, then at her role and what I've claimed she did with it, my change of opinion might make more sense to you.

I'm not sure how much clearer I have to be about this. Lambda is town. I will fight you all to the death on this. You are lynching her over my dead body.

[Shadoweh]

Yeah, I don't have time to make a huge case on it right now, but two words should make my intentions clear.

##VOTE: EDIBLE

I can't believe you of all people would try to pull this. Your push on Lambda is based on how much you don't want her to be in the same game as you. You even used flailing to describe her behaviour. I'm going to guess she's not a scum bomb, since she's already PROVEN she's Dio Brando with the power to manipulate time! The mod quote you pointed out as her trying to mislead town? She wouldn't be able to make that mistake as scum. You are posting a whole bunch of proof that Lambda is flailing derp town and calling it obvscum.

Most importantly? You're not taking it easy!  :yukkuri: Please die it easy!

[ES-Anthy]

Well since you asked so nicely. Your posting style is rambly and hard to follow, I'd like you to clearly state in a small post three people you currently believe could be scum, with three-four sentences on why, preferably to linked posts where this suspicious behaviour occured. It's very important we start being able to understand how your thinking works.

Thank you very much, and yea I do tend to ramble on and just jot stuff down when I'm not writing on paper.

the three people that get at me the most as scum, are PX, Capt. h, and ActionDan in order from least to most scummy

PX at most is just focused on himself, the mechanics of the game, and saying that he himself is useless.  The useless part may be just playing it straight, maybe it's something to divert attention away or towards, either way other than that, he's had a lack of content.  Anytime he's done something, it really only has been focused either on how stuff works in game, or if someone was bothering him (as in when LLD wanted him dead so he voted back and asked why).  There really isn't anything against him other than lack of content and self centered motives to find out how stuff works. Lack of support for scum choices here

Capt. h to begin with was a hot target until schezo, which happened after the death of Serp, in which a bit earlier serp made a good stepping point for a case against capt. h, as the ability to block off a lynch option can be pretty bad for late game town, in my opinion at least, as there's difference between theory and practice :V .  The day reset kinda dispursed the capt. h wagon and had almost everyone going for schezo, which took a day and a half to happen.  Personally it was either a minor case of OMGUS for the two voting eachother, or that it was some crazy underhanded plot to make town waste time for another scum kill or something. ~*~crazy hypothesis~*~ BV

ActionDan for the most part got my gut feeling just from his actions before replacement, since it looked like he was throwing in the towel for telling people to kill him off, even if it is in a joking manner, as it's somewhat common for some people to act in such a way when they know they're screwed. For anything else, he was either staying one thing then running right over that (shadoweh's pointing this out on how Dan was MY EYES ON YOU SCHEZO then suddenly voting capt.h). There's also his weak case on shadoweh which he wouldn't really drop, which at most just seemed like a I say tomato you say to-ma-to kind of thing.  At most it's just the running over his own words and then the mood of kill me now probably induced by getting out of the game soon and probably feeling he was screwed over either way.

At the moment to be honest, being on the fence is kinda what's going for me cause this scum choice feels like a race between a snail, a turtle, and one other incredibly slow thing that is not coming to mind.  Also to be upfront about it, alot of this is gut feeling with a bit of backing to it.

[Bardiche]

Friendly Votecount Assistance

My dream is five votecounts on one page.

Lady LambdaDelta (4): PX, Edible, Capt H, Dormio
Omba (0)
Anthony (0)
Chaore (1): huh what
PX (2):  Affinity, Chaore
capt.h (0):
Shadoweh (0)
Dormio (0):
Affinity (0)
Edible (2): LLD, Shadoweh

Not Voting (1): Anthony

Lady LambdaDelta is at L-2!
With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch
Game Day Seven Ends at 1:00 PM, EDT, Wednesday

[Shadoweh]

PX hasn't existed since before Unlimited LLD Works. He better get his Forever Scum self in here or he can also get booted off Townie island for not contributing.

Anthy, sadly mafia does not work that way. You got to decide which of those three you think is scummier and attack them with your vote attached. Follow your gut and vote for THE SCUM!

[ES-Anthy]

I guess it probably is better to lay down the tracks to one's doom train ahead of time BV

Currently since ActionDan was suffereing not being here and feeling trapped, he'll be 2nd priority, while capt. h is doing stuff, so for now PX gets the vote cause I only trust what I can sit on and man those posts are so thin they're worst that the twigs in the back yard :V

##Vote: PX

[Affinity]

What I said about LLD here doesn't change, and what she did was terrible but not really significant to what I previously thought of her then.  She's too brave to be scum in my opinion, but if she is to be lynched, one can't really complain.

Vote on PX is more of a pressure vote to answer the questions I asked him then.  I will still more than likely switch to Chaore by the end of the day, as I described URL=http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg650377.html#msg650377]here[/URL].

Since capt.h is also deadset on LLD, as well as Dormio, what exactly separates Edible from the others, Shadoweh?

[Edible]

You even used flailing to describe her behaviour.

If you can think of a better way to describe her actions yesterday other than "flailing", I'm all ears.

I'm going to guess she's not a scum bomb, since she's already PROVEN she's Dio Brando with the power to manipulate time!

Claiming one role didn't also stop Schezo from being the GODFATHER.  Nice of you to forget that little detail.

The mod quote you pointed out as her trying to mislead town? She wouldn't be able to make that mistake as scum.

O_o Can you elaborate?

You are posting a whole bunch of proof that Lambda is flailing derp town and calling it obvscum.

Derp, maybe.  Town, not so much.  I have seen potential scum motivation in way too much that she's done.  From the gotcha game, to the utter lack of cases and refusal to back up opinions, to the bad hop on the Schezo wagon followed by the mindscrew hop OFF the Schezo wagon, to the nigh-indescribable BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD hilarity that happened yesterday.  We're talking about a person who went out of her way to provide us with records of her play, to show how competent she was, and then has been playing with the exact opposite of competence all game.

Are you familiar with a concept called "refuge in audacity"?  This was the road I initially thought LLD was taking, intentionally drawing a lot of attention to herself to make people go "oh, that's too crazy to be scum!"  After yesterday's tirade, I wasn't so sure that was the case.  She went from someone who was trying to be so-scummy-she's-town to someone who must have been trying to get lynched, because I had never seen such a bizarre string of posts.

<_< Every time I see you go "LAMBDA IS TOWN!!!" I look at your signature and go "welp."

[Shadoweh]

What I said about LLD here doesn't change, and what she did was terrible but not really significant to what I previously thought of her then.  She's too brave to be scum in my opinion, but if she is to be lynched, one can't really complain.

Yes you can. Watch me. DON'T LYNCH SOMEONE WHO ISN'T SCUM. What do you plan to do if PX keeps up his silent treatment? The pressure hasn't worked so far and he hasn't answered your questions.

Since capt.h is also deadset on LLD, as well as Dormio, what exactly separates Edible from the others, Shadoweh?

That's a good question. The answer as always lies in opinions. I know what capt.h's opinions are just fine, even if they're wrong. He wants to eliminate the faulty logic. Dormio has been harder to follow, but he asked valid questions that LLD wasn't answering and pointed out something genuinely scummy sounding before voting for the blatant OMGUS. He's not clear for this, but it's alot better then Edible's reason.

Edible's reason is gotcha games, scumslips, a general accusation of scum motives behind everything she's ever done without clarifying what he thought those were, and that she must be a scum bomb that wants to die because obviously right? Unless Edible thinks PX is her scum partner we have confirmation she has another power that isn't her exploding. This case has not been thought out beyond Edible wanting Lambda lynched and not listening to possibilities otherwise.

Edible: It IS flailing, and you should be able to tell no one is helping her recover. That is the point. To elaborate on why LSD couldn't mistake action timing, Serpentarius died the second Day 3 ended. Therefore, scum have already confirmed that actions can be presubmitted to UK. They would know that anyone with an action or that read what you quoted will also have this information. Claiming actions don't work that way is just more needless bad attention. It's bad. It's derp. But it's not scummy and doesn't come from Planet Scum. Refuge in Audacity and conspiracy theories about scum wanting to look like obvscum as the only scum case you've ever made is horrible. Get Lynched.

<_< Every time I see you go "LAMBDA IS TOWN!!!" I look at your signature and go "welp."

Yeah that game where I acted as freakishly town as possible is a perfect metaphor for this situation.

More caselike stuff on Edible: Votepark on Dan Day 3 for a scumslip. His opinions during the lolSchezo days are here. For scumpick reasons, this is bad. Zak is okay but doesn't exist and PX is PX. Considering he was fine with governing PX I find it hard to believe he was really under suspicion. I don't think he remembers who Zakeri and Dan are. So the only thing I see a serious opinion on from him is Lambda is Scum for playing badly. For seven days. And I thought Dormio was bad for a 24 hour rage tunnel.

[Edible]

Our disagreements in scumhunting tactics are noted.  I'll be sure to value yours more when I don't think you're actively defending scum.  I also will not accept your accusation that I'm tunneling - there is a difference between actively pursuing someone I believe to be scum, and only looking at one person the whole game.  I have made my thoughts clear on other players I believe might be scummy, but I'm not going to waste time on them if I have bigger scum to fry.  Players I don't mention aren't being pursued as scum at this point in time.  It's How I Roll?.

However!

To elaborate on why LSD couldn't mistake action timing, Serpentarius died the second Day 3 ended. Therefore, scum have already confirmed that actions can be presubmitted to UK. They would know that anyone with an action or that read what you quoted will also have this information.

This is something I frankly didn't consider, and thank you for pointing it out.  Forgetting how the game works proves Lambda isn't reading the game and makes her a terrible player, but it doesn't prove her scum.  I need to write it off as a nulltell and will consider what it means for my case on her.

[Shadoweh]

I also will not accept your accusation that I'm tunneling - there is a difference between actively pursuing someone I believe to be scum, and only looking at one person the whole game.

Confirmation Bias or Tunnel Vision is when a player becomes convinced by their own arguments by virtue of how long or how strong they hold them. You are blatantly tunneling. A quick look at your voting history confirms your tunnel-vision. Your case is a tunnel. You are the definition, of choo choo I'm a train going down this tunnel.

I have made my thoughts clear on other players I believe might be scummy

No you haven't. You haven't made your thoughts clear on anyone but Lambda. Please feel free to do so now.

[Edible]

Confirmation Bias or Tunnel Vision is when a player becomes convinced by their own arguments by virtue of how long or how strong they hold them. You are blatantly tunneling. A quick look at your voting history confirms your tunnel-vision. Your case is a tunnel. You are the definition, of choo choo I'm a train going down this tunnel.

Did you know confirmation bias works both ways, Shadoweh?  You've been insisting she's town for as long as I've been insisting she's scum.

I didn't actively start pushing for Lambda until a day and a half ago.  For the two days before that, I had expressed desire to do so but preferred a Schezo lynch.  Her actions before, during, and after Schezo flipped scum have more than earned my - and other's - votes.  She got WORSE as the game went on, not better. 

I wish you'd stop discarding entire facets of my play to focus on the fact that I want one person lynched more than anyone else.  Given that your case on me started because I'm pushing Lambda, and you only attempted to present further evidence after the fact, I'm tempted to call your current play a chainsaw defense.  I'll keep this in mind if/when LLD flips scum.

I probably won't be posting for the rest of the day; work beckons.  While Shadoweh is perfectly willing to claim I've never mentioned anyone else all game, however false it may be, it is true that I am perhaps focusing a bit too much on LLD.  I will work to rectify that in the future.

[Shadoweh]

You actively started pushing Lambda as of Day One. And Day Two after your vote switched. And you were on her when she started posting again on Day Five. So no, you didn't just start pushing her a day and a half ago. Everyone was pushing for Schezo. It's quite clear who you were pushing for right after.

I have not claimed you haven't mentioned anyone else all game. You've just never provided reasons for why anyone else is scum or clarified your suspicions in a long, long time. That post would have been an excellent time to do so. Your failure to do so is scummy.

[Shadoweh]

Also as for calling it a blatant chainsaw defense: CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!

[capt. h]

I'm on lunch, so I don't have time to respond to everything right now.

capt.h: Yeah LLD didn't include one of her more recent games complete with rageposting since there's no meta to be found there. Lots of rage though. Mai wasn't better then this, you're missing a huge difference in attitude. Mai didn't care if we weren't listening to her, and was happy to float to blissful endgame. There's nothing floaty about Lambda.

Shadoweh, why does that game make you think LLD is derp town, and not scum?

[UncertainJakutten]

The Twenty Second "Beginning of Day Eight" Vote Count

Mod Note: Checking for Prods now

Lady LambdaDelta (4): PX, Edible, Dormio, capt. h
Omba (0)
Anthony (0)
Chaore (1): huh what
PX (3):  Affinity, Chaore, Anthony
capt.h (0)
Shadoweh (0)
Dormio (0)
Affinity (0)
Edible (2): LLD, Shadoweh

Not Voting (0)

Lady LambdaDelta is at L-2
PX is at L-3
With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch
Game Day Eight Ends at 1:00 PM, EDT, Thursday

[UncertainJakutten]

PX is about to get a cattle prod jabbed into him. Everyone else is fine.

[Shadoweh]

Shadoweh, why does that game make you think LLD is derp town, and not scum?

Last post before Shadowehzzy. I am simply supplying you proof that LSD is perfectly capable of being foolish, rageaholic and over-emotional. Your argument is based on competence. I suggest you ask Kiro if he thinks townies are capable of being this special.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Sorry for the somewhat overdue post. What I said about Lambda earlier was really just a filler, since I was having trouble mustering up the strength to fully process the recent clusterfuck of pages.

Chaore's effort to contribute, while appreciated, does not make me feel much better about him. It looks to me somewhat like he's doing what he can to mudsling against the players he's attacking to diminshing their contributions - this is especially notable on his Affinity case, once you consider that Affinity was actually the first person to propose the Schezo case, despite later switching off. I want to know if Chaore thinks PX only voting Schezo after the shot looks any worse than Dormio doign the same thing, since as far as I could tell, Dormio had a scummier and more polarizing D1 (see: Lambda shenans.)

I am beginning to have trouble choosing between Dormio and Chaore for my preferred lynch. While Chaore looks worse with Schezo's flip than Dormio does, Dormio's confusion regarding LLD seems somewhat faked to me and his jump on to her from capt. h seems like an easy step off of a target he'd have trouble attacking to a leading wagon. I'm probably going to stick to Chaore for now because the Dormio jump from capt. h to LLD is harder to analyze without Lambda's flip, but it should be noted that Dormio is slowly rising even higher on my suspicions list.

I don't agree that we should suddenly be going off in completely different directions and attacking players like Edible when we have a scum flip and a bunch of connections that could be analyzed instead. A scum flip is a tool of choice, and ignoring it in favor of voting somebody because of a case that assumes a non-flipped player is a townie seems a bit wasteful to me.

My opinions on Lambda are neutral as is. As far as I'm concerned she's a pile of derp, whether this is derptown or derpscum I have yet to figure out. But I personally believe that we should be looking in other directions (like towards the people connected to flipped scum and the capt. h wagon) for now, rather than letting her steal the spotlight. In all honesty, I think that she is a completely terrible choice for a second lynch when there's a flipped first to analyze, much in the same way that Light was a completely terrible choice for a D2 lynch in Mafia History when there was a D1 lynch to analyze. Only in this case it's even more notable, because our first lynch flipped scum and scumhunting based on scumflips is amazing.

Also, I'm having a little bit of trouble reading Anthony's posts due to the way he types.