Author Topic: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: GAME OVER, ROLES WIN! (Read 97801 times)

ActionDan · « **Reply #480 on:** June 07, 2011, 02:27:32 AM »

Yes. Murder me, its fine.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #481 on:** June 07, 2011, 02:36:13 AM »

aaaa I'm just going to get this out now in case Dan potentially gets modkilled and I'm sent back to the drawing board. @_@

##Vote ActionDan

I'm finding myself agreeing with a lot of the points being pushed against Dan right now. The way Dan tied up the wagons looks absolutely terrible because the wording of hist post seems to be exaggerating the scumminess of capt. h while dumbing down the scumminess of Schezo just for the switch. A quick look at Dan's earlier wall shows that he did not seem to have much of a case on capt. h at all, but had a notably active suspicion on Schezo. The way that Dan completely ditched his Schezo case just to vote capt. h with no real justification for the swing of his opinions is possibly the most blatant attempt to save a buddy I've seen in some time.

Dormio also seems like he should be under scrutiny as well at this point. I actually agree that his series of tunnels over the Miller issue were worth looking into, as he seemed to come off rather slimy and passive-aggressive he was when responding to Lambda's counterpoints. But what really makes me want to actually attack him is his history with Schezo. We already know that the Schezo wagon was a counterwagon of sorts to the capt. h wagon, which Dormio was on, but if one takes a quick look through Dormio's posting history it's apparent that he did not even so much as openly consider the Schezo case until K4U outed Schezo as scum with her gambit - hell, before Schezo's claim, Dormio even covered for him while attacking capt. h. The failure to actually consider Schezo as a viable lynch target until he was already a lost cause for the scum team is not something that looks good on Dormio's record, and even when Dormio did eventually vote for Schezo, it was entirely based on role shenanigans rather than genuine scumhunting. That feels quite forced to me.

The case on capt. h honestly seems rather hard to buy into at this point, not only because Schezo was the counterwagon to capt. h, but also because I have a hard time believing that scum would rather bus their Godfather (who seemed to even have an additional ability) than whatever the theoretical scum!capt. h's role is, unless the theoretical scum!capt. h's role is extremely powerful. I would appreciate it if those currently attacking capt. h would elaborate on why they believe a scum!capt. h is valid given what we know about the scenario for scum that lead up to Schezo's lynch.

I have next to no interesting words to say about anybody else since I kind of had to rush my readthrough, but I'm willing to answer questions about what I think of other players if necessary. It should be noted that Edible and Zakeri both feel really forgettable in this game, which is kind of bothersome.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #482 on:** June 07, 2011, 02:48:52 AM »

Right, so I'd rather we actually play the game for now while people are here instead of waiting for more people to go V/LA. If anything, throwing Dan off a bus will stop him from needing to be replaced!

IT SURE WOULD BE COOL IF ZAK POSTED TOO.

I supose this is the part where I prod at huh what and ask what he thought about his earlier incarnation's wishes to destroy Edible, and I'd like to hear thoughts on him. Somehow I doubt Dan, Schezo and Dormio are the scum team. Dormio's cute little vote on capt.h followed by a case on Dan is pretty bad to me, considering I don't believe Schezo is that kind of a superbusser.

capt. h · « **Reply #483 on:** June 07, 2011, 03:04:40 AM »

Dormio: You tell me I can go die in a fire, but your vote on me is for a case you made on day 1, and haven't updated. Since Serp's NK you haven't posted any reads or opinions on me (besides that I can die in a fire, of course), and haven't made a case on me since. You should be pushing your case against me if you think I'm scum, rather than cheer leading other suspicious players while parking a vote on me. In addition, you didn't say if you found anything scummy about the case I've laid out yesterday, but you pretty explicitly changed your read to die in fire as a result. I think you're the most likely scum.

##Vote: Dormio

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #484 on:** June 07, 2011, 03:06:42 AM »

I'm not sure I really consider Edible a priority right now, especially when there are players with more significant ties to our recently flipped scum. Omba's case on him honestly didn't make that much sense to me (I was under the impression that Edible wasn't voting Lambda simply for using traps so much as for using traps in a way that Edible perceived as scummy), and I think it's fairly likely that my predecessor had convinced himself Edible was scum over som emore minor nitpicks and becamed tunneled as a result. I have particular reasons for believing this that I'm not willing to disclose just yet. The only thing that seriously bugs me about Edible right now is that he seems like somewhat of a background presence even when he does post, and that is typically not a good thing.

Why do you think Schezo/Dan/Dormio is an unlikely scum team from what we have seen so far? Note that I'm not pushing Dan and Dormio as buddies together (though it does seem possible), I just believe that both are good lynches for today.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #485 on:** June 07, 2011, 03:09:22 AM »

That entire post was aimed towards Shadoweh, so we're clear.

capt. h · « **Reply #486 on:** June 07, 2011, 03:24:12 AM »

EBWOP:

The broken links are here and here.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #487 on:** June 07, 2011, 03:28:36 AM »

Mmm, I just doubt it would be that easy. I wouldn't be overly surprised there was a scum in there, but I don't think it's a threesome. (I'm also half-serious about just quicklynching him out, but, well, points. Rage does not clash well with setup.) I just thought I'd post the player list since I'm sure I'm not the only one who forgets them.

1. Lady LambdaDelta <- Miller town
2. ~~Omba~~ huh whatty <-

3. Zakeri <- Does not exist.

4. ActionDan <- DIE
5. PX (a.k.a Fuck You And Your Moon Runes) <- Useless informed Townie?
6. capt.h x Kiro OTP <- The Other Wagon
10. Shadoweh x Dorian Gray OTP <- THE TOWNEST DAMNIT
11. Durrmio <- Who knows
12. Affinity <- SUPERBUSSING?!
13. Edible x Edible OTP <- Posting it easy!

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #488 on:** June 07, 2011, 03:29:47 AM »

Who out of those do you even think might be scum aside from Dan? Anybody right now?

Edible · « **Reply #489 on:** June 07, 2011, 03:35:59 AM »

I had a large post mostly written up, but it was way too rage-y. The short version is that I could not possibly find the slightest hint of town motivation in anything Lambda has done the entire game, and was super super angryble about it, and then I did this:

##vote Lambda

Then I discarded it after going to soak my head, because holy crap it wasn't appropriate.

My main point still needs to be addressed. Lambda, please explain your actions this game. I don't need or want an apology, but I do want to know how anything you've done could be viewed as in town's interest, because I'm just not seeing it.

On my to-do list is a reread of Schezo's posts for potential scumbuddy analysis. For now, I'm going to finish some non-mafia stuff and go to bed.

Cut by Shadoweh disagreeing with me!

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #490 on:** June 07, 2011, 03:37:49 AM »

~~Damn it, capt. h, use proper links.~~ Yay.

Updated case on capt. h, you say?
Firstly, what do you think of LSD? Because you fence-sat on the whole LSD thing earlier, and you haven't really mentioned LSD since.
I still think your earlier voting pattern was weird.
Moving on from that!

Quote from: capt. h on June 02, 2011, 01:14:51 AM

I don't think Dan v. K4U is town v. town, and I think Dan is likely to be scum as a result.

Since, uh, K4u is town, anything to say about this?
And in this post you're basically saying that your beloved case, the one that you thought was so scummy, is no longer so scummy because a general wave of apathy hit town.
Note, this wave of apathy hit after the first lynch cycle and once everyone was waiting on Schezo's flip, whereas Omba was doing it since early in D1.
So why should you drop your case on Omba for that reason? Especially when you were so gung-ho about getting Omba's lynch earlier.

영어를 도대체 어떻게 쓰는거야?
하고 남보다 빨리 쓰는거를 좀 그만해라.

How the hell would write in English?
Enough to say, a little faster, and to elaborate.

PX · « **Reply #491 on:** June 07, 2011, 03:40:12 AM »

Btw, LLD is only claimed miller. So I'd rather just consider LLD a vanilla, but I just remembered that LLD actually has a role.

CHOO CHOO

Also, I will now refer LLD as either 34, Miyo, or The Witch (of Certainty)

PX · « **Reply #492 on:** June 07, 2011, 03:41:24 AM »

My top scumpicks are still Miyo, Dormio, and Capt. H, in that order.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #493 on:** June 07, 2011, 04:18:30 AM »

Yeah uh, Lambda is town. I seriously don't want to argue about it., the parrot biting my ear does this enough. If someone wants to explain to me why Schezo's scumbuddy stopped time, pissing off the entire playerbase, to have people consider other options while not actually pushing the lynch off of him, go ahead.

To huh whatty, everyone has all kinds of levels of suspicion still. Following my heart and a fallen Kitten I would push with Dan or PX as the derpscum, PX for being completely reactionary and claiming to be useless. Despite that Zak was voting for me, I'd consider either Edible or Affinity as a third.

Affinity was voting Schezo early on in the day, then changed completely to capt.h when Schezo was slipping under everyone's radar and capt.h was the superwagon. He only got back onto Schezo after K4u exploded his godfatherness, and he's still pushing for capt.h.

Edible conversely keeps pushing Lambda for being ~~ragequit worthy~~ irritating, and was here and not voting either of the wagons when they went to Day 4 and reset. He made himself sound suspicious of Schezo without actually commiting to his wagon. He says afterwards he didn't like the speed of Schezo's wagon (Isn't that what made Lambda do her wonderful time trick?

) but he didn't mention that when it mattered. He also seems to have forgotten he had a problem with Action Dan earlier.

Out of the two I consider Affinity's play to be more solid then Edible. Which is funny since I usually spend every game screaming SCUMFFINITY! But the material is there either way.

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #494 on:** June 07, 2011, 05:10:48 AM »

I'm officially requesting a replacement.
My mother just underwent another surgery to get the plate in her arm replaced since it broke last month. I feel I'm being way too distracted. I haven't even been able to keep up with the game.

To help clear up my replacement's name, Here's my thought process.

No, I didn't think vote following Shadoweh would be pro-town. I thought it would be silly, and I also thought it would be a challenge.
The case I made on Dan was a rehearsed case. At the time, it didn't matter to me who was scum, since everyone had an equal chance when I first made the case. However, as time passed I realized what I was doing was scummy, and I realized that if I was going to keep the vote on Dan, I would basically have to lurk out and provide cheerleading opinions. That's the point when I stopped, went "Shadoweh's voting pattern seems scummy to me." And that connection stuck. That's the reason why I switched my vote to Shadoweh when I did.

I'm sorry to disappoint everyone.

Affinity · « **Reply #495 on:** June 07, 2011, 04:15:14 PM »

Now, in light of the flip, I think it would be wise for me to backtrack a little and leave the capt.h case for now (since I can't find a reason to answer huhwhat's observation, other than 'for superficial and risky town cred'). I'm certainly still not happy with this page regarding capt.h's conduct, and still feel that his sudden drop on Omba for Schezo is telling(especially since he did not answer my questions), but well, I don't have much choice other than leaving all this for later in the game (e.g him confirming the utility of his role would actually make him lean towards town). However, since I've bussed godmothers quite a number of times, I don't think the play of doing so is as out of the way for me as it is for other people.

There are pretty much two groups of players right now, those who are extremely ambiguous and have pretty much nothing to their name, and those who do.

In the first group we have PX, Zakeri, Edible, and LLD, for obvious reasons. All of them are pretty much viable lynches for today, since they all happened to avoid the meat of the Schezo wagon yesterday not only in vote but in content. I would most want to see PX being lynched out of this group, since he's the one who has been active lurking the most over the Schezo/capt.h/Dormio being scum thing all the time without trying to convince anyone. All I remember of him is his roleclaim, and I simply don't see him adding any value to his worth as a player. LLD did something brave in spite of her desired outcome being very unlikely from the start, which is somewhat town, but she has been the most disconnected over her opinions, and I doubt that she will show any consistency soon.. Also a good lynch choice. Edible has stated the obvious regarding LLD repeatedly in too many words, Zak was non-existent, etc. That's about it.

##Vote: PX

I want you to answer huhwhat's question as to why you still think capt.h is still scum. You are certainly entitled to do so, but you do need a reason. Also, please do update your case on Dormio, since I think your vote has been sitting there without much reaction to his posts (e.g this one which counters your accusation that he has only been looking at one person at a time.

As for the more interesting people around, I'll probably jump on Dan at the end of the day for reasons already noted earlier (if his replacement does not explain them). Others, I'll look at them later, especially Dormio (at Shadoweh's behest).

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #496 on:** June 07, 2011, 04:56:28 PM »

The Twentieth "Beginning of Day Seven" Vote Count

Mod Note: Yes, I started day three minutes early. Also, if I don't have replacements by midnight tonight, I'm putting the game on hold.

Lady LambdaDelta (2): PX, Edible
Omba (0)
Zakeri (0)
ActionDan (2): Shadoweh, huh what
PX (1): Affinity
capt.h (1): Dormio
Shadoweh (0)
Dormio (1): capt. h
Affinity (0)
Edible (0)

Not Voting (3): ActionDan, Zakeri, LLD

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch
Game Day Seven Ends at 1:00 PM, EDT, Wednesday

Shadoweh · « **Reply #497 on:** June 07, 2011, 06:16:29 PM »

Zak: :< I'm sorry I wasn't hoppy and fun enough to distract you.

Affinity: Unless you're claiming scum I dont't think we should consider your level of superbussing yet. :3 Kitten would prefer we avoid Lambda or Dormio over Action Replacement or FOREVER PX anyways. You all get one guess who she Neighbourizationed. (hint: it wasn't Schezo.) I'll third huh what's question and your request for PX updates.

I find it likely we'll be on hold for awhile. I'd like all the players to post their general reads on everyone today, just so we have a point of reference to come back to. Yes Lambda, this includes you. A town to scum list doesn't count unless you provide reasoning for all the scummy people. I know I won't forget, I have rants on everyone in duplicate!

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #498 on:** June 07, 2011, 08:01:36 PM »

Anthony replaces Zakeri.

EDIT: Chaore replaces ActionDan.

THANK YOU BOTH FOREVER!

ES-Anthy · « **Reply #499 on:** June 07, 2011, 08:31:44 PM »

Initial feelings over people in game from brief skimthrough,
LLD: Eh, not exactly first to vote for but still there, just things have been funky with claiming and sudden actions unprovoked, shit may happen but it's gotta happen for a reason.
Omba(now huh what): stuff I don't know, I'm half passing out half calmed by the white noise outside, form opinion later BV
ActionDan (now chaore): Dan felt scummy, or just really derp, one or the other really.
PX: trying to test the system and covering himself, either distracted town or bored scum, also by JJBA standards with the whole time stop crap if he was Jotaro Kujo at the end or past the end of part 3 he would also have time stop, sadly rules apparently don't say this :VV:
Capt.h: same thing with dormio, really can't form much of an opinion at the moment
Shadoweh: Eager, has actually done stuff to get things done.
Dormio: if scum, not really anything noticeable, so really not going off on me, going at capt. h as capt. h is going at him
Affinity: walls of text, good coverage, nothing exactly bugging me
Edible: some good stuff, nothing really bad, nothing on my radar

temp vote until I get something more convincing goooes tooooooo

##Vote: Lady LambdaDelta mostly due to just randomly busting out timestop for a pointless reason, also that early game miller claim just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, it feels like something that's ment to stir shit up in my opinion, but then anything miller is kinda like that ain't it?

NOTE: I HAVE FORMED THESE WHILE UNDER THE LACK OF THE INFLUENCE OF CAFFEINE WHICH I USUALLY NEED, IT IS HOT, AND FUCK SUMMER. IF THIS GETS BROUGHT UP FOR SRS DEBATING I SHALL SHE-LE-LE YOU IN THE CROTCH, GOOD DAY SIR!

P.S. Note: tireds, also yea it's a joke BV

Lexicat · « **Reply #500 on:** June 07, 2011, 08:46:28 PM »

Congraturations new replacement. You found your seat on the fence quite nicely.

Tell me is there anyone you have a strong read on?

And don't give me this "I'M TIRED, I JUST REPLACED IN" bullshit, since apparently you were informed enough to make a read on everyone and vote.

Further, your "NOTE: PLEASE DON'T DEBATE THIS.PLEASE." is scummy as shit. Read: "My cases and opinions are shit, unfounded, basically random, and have no backing to them. I can't defend them at this point in time. Please don't question me while I throw my vote down on an easy mislynch~!"

ES-Anthy · « **Reply #501 on:** June 07, 2011, 08:54:21 PM »

Quote from: Lady Lambdadelta on June 07, 2011, 08:46:28 PM

Congraturations new replacement. You found your seat on the fence quite nicely.

Tell me is there anyone you have a strong read on?

And don't give me this "I'M TIRED, I JUST REPLACED IN" bullshit, since apparently you were informed enough to make a read on everyone and vote.

Further, your "NOTE: PLEASE DON'T DEBATE THIS.PLEASE." is scummy as shit. Read: "My cases and opinions are shit, unfounded, basically random, and have no backing to them. I can't defend them at this point in time. Please don't question me while I throw my vote down on an easy mislynch~!"

to just tell you know, I'm saying I'm tired as in why my inital, skimming over of a few pages filled with enough holes to sate any bathroom's worth of glory is worth the shit that is in the toilets themselves, second the debate thing is that again, it's practically a pile of shit, I at most am giving gut feelings here, along with that you're jumping all over this pile of crap like it's a sudden gold mine jeeze :V I joined like what, 20 minutes ago? I'm just stating my opinion so far, and opinions change, hold your horse before you go flying off going at 55 miles per hour, the only things we got to worry about is anyone with a vig skill and old age for how many days go by :V

Either way just from how you try to pry at the simplest thing either gives the idea of desperate scum trying to be town, or really desperate town, and there's alot better targets since all PX has done is either cover himself or worry more about the funky skills about the people here, maybe trying to get on dormio but that wasn't really sparking all that much.

Dormio himself is giving some actual material from my tired eye, and when I was looking over junk as a joke several days ago to be honest I'm surprised no one tried to jump on your miller claim, personally thinking a miller at early game feels more like a liability than an asset.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #502 on:** June 07, 2011, 08:59:56 PM »

PEOPLE!!!! \O/

Yeah that Anthy post sounds pretty scummy. Lambda, can you please answer Edible's questions in his vote for you, and post some reads on people today since all you did is 'QQ vote capt.h', so people can stop voting you for it and we can go back to hunting scum?

Anthy, the quick post is appreciated, but you should definitely reread some more and post again when you've got a good grasp on what's going on. You got alot of no-content to make up for!

Lexicat · « **Reply #503 on:** June 07, 2011, 09:05:27 PM »

How am I prying at "the simplest thing"?

I just called your entire post baseless and uneducated, aswell as accusing you of being opportunistic and fencesitting.

I'm pretty sure that's not picking at minor details. But thank you for adding BLATENT misrepresentation to the list.

Lexicat · « **Reply #504 on:** June 07, 2011, 09:10:51 PM »

Edible, how exactly do you expect me to answer your question? Explain my town intent?

I try to catch scum. Tada. That's my town intent.

I have already explained why I claimed miller.

I explained why I used my power (something that NewReplacementDerp misrep'd aswell, upon further review).

I've placed votes and I've given reason for all of them.

You just don't like or agree with my reasons.

I can't explain to you why I'm full of town intent, and nor is it fair for you to ask that question. It's loaded and, quite honestly, likely designed to frame me in a bad light.

Because no matter how I answer it, you can twist it and say "I don't agree. This is my opinion." and push my wagon.

So no, you don't get a response. You don't get to misrep me.

YOU GET NOTHING~ (macro goes here)

Lexicat · « **Reply #505 on:** June 07, 2011, 09:16:06 PM »

Also, time to step this up a notch.

PX
Lambda
Huh What(Oomba)
Action Dan
Edibleh
Capt H

We lynch these 6 people in the next 48 hours. Order doesn't really matter, but I prefer something like:

Capt. H
PX
Edible
Lambda
ActionDan
Huh what

Anyone opposed? Scum aren't going to get 6 kills from our 6 lynches. If we speed lynch the fuck out of everything, we can take out a few scum in this process. I guarantee there is at least 1 scum in that list, if not 2. I only think there are two remaining.

Lexicat · « **Reply #506 on:** June 07, 2011, 09:17:55 PM »

Oh, and I'll gladly aid my own lynch if this plan is followed.

Lexicat · « **Reply #507 on:** June 07, 2011, 09:20:08 PM »

In Other Words, my town reads on Affinity, Shadoweh and Zak are shining through here.

And if there are still scum left after those 6 are lynched, Dormio is scum. That's that.

48 HOURS. 6 WARM BODIES. NO MORE BS.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD TIME.

Lexicat · « **Reply #508 on:** June 07, 2011, 09:23:03 PM »

Final Note: People will need to see me dead and flipping town for them to believe this is valid. I understand that.

But I also want to be alive for the first lynch or so, to make sure people understand that this plan requires urgency and quick voting.

Kill me third or something. I'll flip town, and you can be shown that my plan comes with... town intent.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #509 on:** June 07, 2011, 09:26:06 PM »

teaspit.jpg

We're not doing that. Wow are we not doing that.
Do you remember that part where people can send their actions in ahead of time? Scum aren't going to miss a kill just because we hit the vote button fast enough. This is also assuming there's no twilight time in there for one of them to type during. I have an even better idea then this! Let's try making ~*cases*~ on people and playing ~*mafia*~.

So it would be cool if you like, updated your scum picks. With why you think they're scum. Make a case on yourself too, that's cool.