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<Dormio> @choose shadoweh or PXWORD OF GOD.
<@Keine-tan> Dormio: I choose...shadoweh! ^_^V
Oh FINE you fuckers, keeping me up at 1 God damn AM. GAME STARTS NOW! VOTES BEFORE THIS POST DO NOT COUNT!
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Dormio I will punch you in the throat, what do you want google duder너의 시체를 보고싶다, 왜?
Dormio I will punch you in the throat, what do you want google duderI miss your body, why?
Kay, everytime Dormio posts within one post of you, before or after, he accrues 1 (one) Public Humiliation =D이게뭐냐?!
Kay, everytime Dormio posts within one post of you, before or after, he accrues 1 (one) Public Humiliation =DWhat is this?!
So UK is the mod, right? Then she knows who all the scum are, right?
What possible town intent could she have in not telling us?
##Vote: UK
Affinity: Considering it's an RVS vote, there's no way for it not to be either opportune or completely out of the blue.
Hydra with Pes-Co-Mod
Also, please do not defend other people for them. They are perfectly capable of defending themselves.
I thought that Affinity was mocking his own vote actually,This was a defense. You were answering for him. This is bad because if Affinity is scum he can use your words in his defense rather than his own. IE, you could potentially give scum ideas. Defending someone doesn't necessarily make you scum, but it's bad to do anyway for that reason (exceptions being defending someone you think is town when they're about to be lynched etc.)
I think changing serious votes (the vote on me was serious, correct?) in one post throws suspicion on multiple people while making your post harder to respond to for the rest of the town. Basically, while your views may come out alright, it's harder to garner what you think is most "interesting" for whatever reason at one point in time. While not the biggest deal in the world, I think it is bad practice.That's exactly what I wanted to do though. As of that post the scummiest things in my opinion were your vote on UK and Affinity's vote on Omba. In the end I thought Affinity was more suspicious, but I thought your action was certainly worth a vote. I don't really see how voting makes it harder for town to respond to things either. Though, I think this is getting into theory discussion, which isn't really productive.
Can someone refresh my memory on nightless setups? Do we not have a voting deadline?As I so eloquently pointed out last night, we don't appear to have a voting deadline, and 'game days' ending don't end in a no-lynch according to the first vote count, they just mark that a day has passed. It does not appear we have a technical deadline.
What I would like most is for town to decide if we want to lynch by one day time intervals or not. I personally do not like the idea of lynching in 24 hour time periodsClearly we should not do this. Or well, there might be reasons to do it, but none we could currently confirm in any way.
At the moment my vote is staying as is to give credence to the idea that we could lynch a non-player before 24 hours are up to see what happens. Otherwise I am in favor of waiting until such time as the town has agreed upon a scum lynch target.Does this and
In case I am not prefectly clear and to the point, I'd vote you shadoweh when I feel more comfortable doing so, for what I consider a bad content post.this mean you want to wait till Shadoweh either posts more of what you call bad content or other people start voting her?
Claim: MillerWho is this referring to? You? Shadoweh? A few more words would make it easier to understand (and hence discuss).
Who is this referring to? You? Shadoweh? A few more words would make it easier to understand (and hence discuss).
I am claiming miller.Sounds like you're either a townie making a pre-emptive claim or town/scum making a gambit. Only I don't think we have any way of knowing which one it is.
If you haven't noticed (or perhaps ignored the fact), most of the town has barely said even 2 cents worth of anything. I share your enthusiasm for lynching Scum but I simply wanted town to respond to the idea of quickly lynching an outside player purely for informational purposes.Assuming this is a normal mafia game in that regard, lynching someone who's not part of the game would give scum one free kill. This generally does not seem like a good idea to me, especially on D1.
This is A) to avoid shadoweh's concern of fast-paced killing of our town, which will more likely than not result in mislynchs and B) to not wait an inordinate amount of time to see what happens after a game-day, for is it not reasonable to assume that waiting too long will hurt town?
@Omba: I think that Shadoweh is the scummiest right now. Surely if I voted her, the vote would convey the same message and that's about all.Well. Currently it's saying you're more concerned with speculating about the setup than hunting scum; while there's insufficient information for the speculation to bear any useful fruits.
If you haven't noticed (or perhaps ignored the fact), most of the town has barely said even 2 cents worth of anything. I share your enthusiasm for lynching Scum but I simply wanted town to respond to the idea of quickly lynching an outside player purely for informational purposes.What the hell are you talking about? We don't have to lynch to end the day. Why the hell would we want to 'test lynching a non-player'? You are phrasing WASTING A LYNCH WHICH WILL LIKELY GIVE THE SCUM TEAM A FREE NIGHTKILL as being a good idea, then wondering why I think it is scummy and you sound like scum for wanting it. I think we do, in fact, want to wait an inordinate amount of time to see what happens after a game-day. And no, it doesn't mean the same thing to say you think someone is the scummiest without voting them, because now I have no idea if you've cleared Kitten before deciding I am the SCUMMIEST THING ON EARTH. Put your back into it boyo!
This is A) to avoid shadoweh's concern of fast-paced killing of our town, which will more likely than not result in mislynchs and B) to not wait an inordinate amount of time to see what happens after a game-day, for is it not reasonable to assume that waiting too long will hurt town?
Assuming this is a normal mafia game in that regard, lynching someone who's not part of the game would give scum one free kill. This generally does not seem like a good idea to me, especially on D1.Excuse me? You going, "I'm setup speculating, claiming I'm not, then speculating some more," is worse than if you were just speculating. Your whole post reads like a contradiction to me, since you are grilling someone for the same you are doing and responding in a roundabout way that would allow you be able to slip out of later.
Anything beyond that is setup speculation. Which is nice and all, but useless if we don't have any additional information. Gambitting on there being additional information to gain does not sound like a good idea at this point.
And yes, it's possible waiting too long could hurt us. But we neither know how long is too long, nor if that's true at all.
Well. Currently it's saying you're more concerned with speculating about the setup than hunting scum; while there's insufficient information for the speculation to bear any useful fruits.
LLD: Ok then. I'm assuming you'll reveal the reason for that vote while we're still in D1.
Excuse me? You going, "I'm setup speculating, claiming I'm not, then speculating some more," is worse than if you were just speculating. Your whole post reads like a contradiction to me, since you are grilling someone for the same you are doing and responding in a roundabout way that would allow you be able to slip out of later.What. I'm saying it's currently pointless and stating why. It might become relevant once we get more information, i.e. on D2.
Okay, first of all, the hell?
##Unvote
##Vote Lambda
Get that wine the hell away from me.
ActionDan: Lynching an outside player would be the same as a no lynch, no?
Suggesting a no lynch is bad and you should feel bad.
@Mod: Does lynching an outside player bring about a night period?
Zakeri: Please contribute, instead of simply self voting and leaving it at that.
Yes, no lynching in a NIGHTLESS GAME somehow makes it night. That's TOTALLY how nightless games work.
tl;dr: No. Did you even bother reading the rules?
Yes, no lynching in a NIGHTLESS GAME somehow makes it night. That's TOTALLY how nightless games work.Night period, like the twilight in DtB mafia.
tl;dr: No. Did you even bother reading the rules?
Tell me, why is the WIFOM of a Miller Claim worth a vote? By definition, WIFOM is a null tell... and yet you use it here as a scum read? Interesting~The very fact that you're claiming miller at this point in the game is highly suspect to me.
Funnily enough, the Miller claim actually produced more results than my intended reaction fishing did. Shame. :P
WIFOM does nothing but confuse town, and with a claim like that, it also gives you something to fall back on should you be copped or something.How could she fall back on it if it's just WIFOM?
Scum is totally foaming at the mouth to get this Miller Lynch.Don't be so hasty. You know just as well that some players think a Miller claim at any time is an excellent reason for a lynch. I'm not seeing any reason to assume you're town yet, mind going back and commenting on everything that isn't you claiming to be red and Dormio not liking it? The world doesn't revolve around you.
Also, I like how you say claiming miller "AT THIS POINT IN THE GAME" is suspicious.It looks more suspicious as you could both disregard it as a joke claim later, or have it in case somebody cops you in the future.
Praytell, is there a time you support a miller claiming?I'll find out if that time ever comes. Though I don't think that there is ever a good time for a miller to claim.
And how is a miller claiming IN THEIR FIRST POST, scummy as opposed to at some other time in the game?It's scummy all the time.
So you're saying simply because I claimed Miller, that makes me a good lynch and scummy?It looks scummy to me, yes.
How could she fall back on it if it's just WIFOM?Later, if Lambda gets copped or something, she can simply point to the miller claim.
Excuse me? You going, "I'm setup speculating, claiming I'm not, then speculating some more," is worse than if you were just speculating. Your whole post reads like a contradiction to me, since you are grilling someone for the same you are doing and responding in a roundabout way that would allow you be able to slip out of later.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Omba
We have the option to lynch people not directly in the game, and I was wondering if anybody was actually going to consider that seriously as I did (this line of argument made sense at the time). As a serious option to secure a "lynch" without voting for a player at the end of the day, I was also looking out for reactions to the idea.Just to be clear, where you suggesting we lynch someone outside of the game, or were you looking for people who also wanted to lynch outside the game besides yourself?
I'm calling you scum because I think you ARE scum using said tactic.
No "might" about it.
I actually somewhat agree with Dormio on LLD's claim. LLD, you are using Wifom to an extent where I start asking "Why would town do this?" rather than "Would scum really do this?"
That said, Omba's posts are extremely fluffy. She doesn't give any opinion either way about Shadoweh, K4U, or LLD and her miller claim, and her reasons for voting Action Dan are vague. For someone that's fairly active, she sure doesn't have any strong opinions.
##Vote Omba
I don't think claimed millers actually get jumped on here. I haven't seen it happen anyways. I don't think anyone on this board ever claimed it in their first post either. Stop jumping on Dormio for reacting to something he's never seen before. It's ALMOST like you're using game theory and what scum MUST be thinking to make a player that can be an easy mislynch look like obvscum. CLAIMING MILLER DOES NOT MAKE YOU OBVTOWN KTHX.
ps Lambda rest of game maybe even rest of players you should look at it and them kthx. What do you think about the 24 hour days? I'm surprised you haven't commented on it yet.
Sorry, I just wanted the chance to make an RVS vote. since you all started after I went to bed.
##Unvote: Zakeri
Just to be clear, where you suggesting we lynch someone outside of the game, or were you looking for people who also wanted to lynch outside the game besides yourself?
...Question answered in post 62. If the nightcycle works as I'm certain it would for a nightless game, No lynching/lynching a non-player would result in killing roles getting their shots in while Town wastes it's time. Your willingness to test this out seems an awful lot like someone who wants to use the town's lack of knowledge to shoot themselves in the foot.
##Vote: ActionDan
Defending in the early game is a nulltell. Scum don't need to worry about who they're linking with early day one, as long as it's not a strong link, and no one case is going to be better than another. Another answering another person's questions just means they feel like making another post. I don't like how he's basing a scumtell on Kitten off of how "Chill" or "Hot-blooded" she is though, It's too vague, and hard to trace back to him since it's ultimately a gut tell.
As for how I think the game works, I believe that day cycles and lynch cycles have nothing to do with each other. It's been made clear that voting doesn't reset when the day changes, and days seemed to be based off of 24 hours, like in the real world. We could try to keep it to 72 hours for those paranoid about the NK occuring before a lynch, but I doubt we actually have a solid time limit other than the "Must post at least once every 24 hours" clause.
LLD Did us a favor but not allowing the Cop to waste an investigation on her. Now the only question is if there's a vig who can save us the trouble of wasting a lynch on her as well. I don't take well to people who claim to turn up scum in an investigation.
This is an interesting post.You are acting like someone attacking you is obvious scum. This carries the implication that somehow what you have done has made you obvious town. The truth is you became a good lynch FOR TOWN the moment you claimed, and you should know that. Also that the claim in and of itself is WIFOM. Personally I like having something sensical to argue about this early. If you missed the 24 hour argument maybe you should go read Action Dan's posts and comment on his suggestion about lynching UK as a test. (Cut by you doing that, okay) How long do you think we should wait to do lynches?
First off, I feel misrepresented. Show me exactly where I have claimed that my miller claim makes me obv town?
All I have said is that it doesn't make me obv scum. (Which is what Dormio is trying to imply).
Secondly, I missed that 24 hour suggestion. Probably because it's so incredibly dense.
That said, Omba's posts are extremely fluffy. She doesn't give any opinion either way about Shadoweh, K4U, or LLD and her miller claim, and her reasons for voting Action Dan are vague. For someone that's fairly active, she sure doesn't have any strong opinions.What. I wrote my opinion about LLD's claim. It's at the top (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg645905.html#msg645905) of this page, actually.
If you can be 100% certain I am using the tactic, prove it.Isn't it beautiful how your claim can only be truly proven by your flip?
Otherwise, you lose this argument because you cannot show what you are stating as "true" to be any more likely than what I am stating to be 'true".
Isn't it beautiful how your claim can only be truly proven by your flip?
If I had a vig shot right now, I would shoot you on the spot.
Alas, I lack the aforementioned ability and must kindly petition for any vig out there to shoot Lady Lambdadelta.
In the meantime, I shall push for your lynch as an alternate method of proving that I'm right.
What. I wrote my opinion about LLD's claim. It's at the top (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg645905.html#msg645905) of this page, actually.
My reason for voting ActionDan isn't vague, either. It's that he's prioritizing speculation over finding scum. He even entertains the thought of spending our first lynch on that speculation.
As for how LLD reacted to Dormio. What she did does carry the possibility of tripping over town instead of scum. But, so does pretty much any reaction fishing. Still a nulltell, just like her claim earlier was.
Furthermore, where's your opinion on the things you're asking me about? The only two people you've directly mentioned are LLD, me and to an extent Dormio.
Nothing for me to currently write about Shadoweh or K4U. Given that you would have wanted me to mention something about them, what do -you- find interesting about what they have posted?
Kitten4u: That vote was not in fact, purely a joke vote. We have the option to lynch people not directly in the game, and I was wondering if anybody was actually going to consider that seriously as I did (this line of argument made sense at the time). As a serious option to secure a "lynch" without voting for a player at the end of the day, I was also looking out for reactions to the idea.
I claimed Miller for a few reasons:You forget the part where you:
1) It draws in the scum. (See: Yourself)
2) It saves the cop from having to waste an investigation on me,.
3) It stimulates discussion, and gets town out of RVS.
See, where as I have actual reasoning why you are scum...Yeah, OMGUS, best reasoning ever, am I right?
YOU are simply sitting around with your hand on your dick going "HERP DERP MILLER CLAIMS ARE SCUM CLAIMS"
You're amazing at this game, you know right?
You're the best to ever play.
Yeah, OMGUS, best reasoning ever, am I right?
While I understand the sentiment of wanting to vig a claimed miller (it's pretty common practice), most town players will treat the Miller claim as secondary, and attempt to read the claimed miller like they would any other townie first.
So if you can justify some kind of scum intent read on me, I'm perfectly happy to take a bullet.
But I'm not going to condone a shot being taken at a miller, solely because they are a miller. That makes you no better that Durrmeow over here.
What's your read on the exchange K4U and Dan had at the end of the RVS stage?Null. Hence why I haven't commented on it. It looks like an exchange that just went nowhere. And I've only ever read both of them when they were town, so no useful meta read on them there, either. The whole exchange is something they might write if they're town. Might, that is - hence, null.
I claimed Miller for a few reasons:I'll give you the last two, but I disagree with the first. You're more likely to attract townies with loud attitudes than scum looking for an easy bandwagon. I don't think Dormio is scum for attacking you, and I think you calling him out for attacking you is nothing short of confirmation bias as a result of your petty argument.
1) It draws in the scum. (See: Yourself)
2) It saves the cop from having to waste an investigation on me,.
3) It stimulates discussion, and gets town out of RVS.
I feel misrepresented. I did not call you as scummy as Dormio.How else am I suppose to parse "That makes you no better that [the person I'm voting for] over here."? Of course, now that you've cleared up that you're not attacking me, I don't feel any scum motivation in your posting anymore.
Asking that you consider giving me a chance to play the fucking game and let people get a read on me before you authorize the vig shot.
I was saying that to simply want me vigged D1 would be as bad as the lynch Dormio is pushing. I didn't say as SCUMMY.
You're actually my only town read right now, so I don't know how you got that I thought you were scum out of that @_@
Null. Hence why I haven't commented on it. It looks like an exchange that just went nowhere. And I've only ever read both of them when they were town, so no useful meta read on them there, either. The whole exchange is something they might write if they're town. Might, that is - hence, null.
Though now that I'm considering meta, that speculation could be something Dan'd do as town. He is the one that once suggested getting himself modkilled. Well, shit. I'll have to see what he does once he drops the speculation.
Explain why you would expect K4U and Dan to be no more likely to argue as they did if one of them was scum than if both of them were town.Because I can read what both have written as something that could be town-motivated. If I can do that and one option does not seem much more likely than the other, it's a null read. The only thing about that which actually stuck out to me was Dan's speculation. Which I since remembered is something he just tends to do. As long as I have no flips connected to them, I only look at players individually, not in groups. How I should be able to discern the difference you're asking me about is beyond me.
Because I can read what both have written as something that could be town-motivated. If I can do that and one option does not seem much more likely than the other, it's a null read. The only thing about that which actually stuck out to me was Dan's speculation. Which I since remembered is something he just tends to do. As long as I have no flips connected to them, I only look at players individually, not in groups. How I should be able to discern the difference you're asking me about is beyond me.
LLD: Shame. I for one actually like reading posts that are written in an aggressive style.
When did I claim Shadoweh was the scummiest person available?
I never gave ANY reason for my votes.
The Shadoweh vote was really to see if any scum would take that bait.
K4U leaping at a joke vote, Dan not voting or giving an opinion on K4U, and K4U concentrating on minor points.It was page 2. High standards much? :| As for everything else, Kitten4u lurking is null. Kitten4u being insane and trying to improve her game is also null. What do you actually think of the exchange? Seriously, there's like no opinions anywhere there. It's all been IIoA and saying stuff that everyone knows like "Kitten4u generally lurks." The only opinion there (Kitten4u more town than Dan) isn't even backed up by something satisfactory. Trying to use meta when someone is going completely against their meta regardless of alignment is incredibly silly.
I'm going to need more than "Dormio is Durrmio" to be convinced. Because we already know (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.0.html) that he has no idea how to handle millers.That's pretty much my take on him too. So it would be good if we broke up this wonderful tunnelfight. Dormio, your twitter feed is all one-way, you should tell me about your thoughts on everyone now. Especially directly after one of my posts. :)
There's something bothering me about Zak and Shadoweh, but I can't figure out what it is right now. I'll see if I can figure it out later, going through their posts several times hasn't helped me yet.:< Am I not being angry enough for you? It's hard to be grr when everything feels so mellow and the room is all spinny x.x
@Capt. H
Why are you voting for Omba and not either Dan or me if you think our spat wasn't town vs town?
I don't think Dan v. K4U is town v. town, and I think Dan is likely to be scum as a result. However, the way you (Omba) post null reads on the actions of a lot of other players and not really commit to any opinions on them is worse.
capt. h: Your Omba vote looks scummy to me. At the time you placed it, you were guilty of the same thing you were accusing him of. Now he's explained his thought process, and you've explained yours. You're on even ground as far as your explanations of your stances are, and your most recent post said more about Dan's scumminess than it did about Omba's. It looks like you're just parking your vote.
I apologize for being unable to reply instantly to your points, especially if you post them en masse. I suppose replying slowly makes me scum.There's no need for comments like that, and it borders appeal to emotion. I'll also answer that in that post it would be better for miller to claim before they are copped and cop goes, "I got guilty" and they respond, "But I'm miller" since that makes much more sense.
Shadoweh: I don't like this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg646102.html#msg646102). At the first lines, in essence, no, it doesn't. These are the kind of phrases and words that scum can drop and get rises out of people to be led to mislynch.Yeah, actually, it kind of does. To clarify, the core of the argument is "Dormio attacked Lambda for claiming Miller, and Lambda thinks this was scummy of him." This argument doesn't work to prove Scumio if someone believes that claiming Miller is a scummy action. I can think of much better reasons to vote Dormio then reacting to game mechanics. I also think Lambda sounds pretty town (WHICH MEANS SHE IS ACTUALLY OBVSCUM OMG) so I'm not interested in pushing mislynches.
@Capt. H
Why are you voting for Omba and not either Dan or me if you think our spat wasn't town vs town?
I've already answered that:
I think Dan is likely to be scumSense! This interaction reeks of it!
Only I don't think we have any way of knowing which one it is.Is everything a nulltell to you?
Which pretty much makes it a nulltell.
Isn't is sad, Dormio? Now everyone will know about your secret bloomers collection, and that you wear them when you're alone~이게 비밀이었어?
Isn't is sad, Dormio? Now everyone will know about your secret bloomers collection, and that you wear them when you're alone~That was the secret?
You say that Omba provided no opinions when he had actually provided several. I don't think this can be a result of misreading unless you're like, not reading the game.Pretty much this, he claims Omba didn't make any opinions when he, in fact, did.
This carries the implication that somehow what you have done has made you obvious town.This is what I'm still going to disagree with you about. These are the type of comments that can be slipped into otherwise whole truths and make people begin to doubt reads on others without remembering what set stuff off in the first place, because this is an unfair and illogical statement to make when she in fact did not do this.
We have the option to lynch people not directly in the game, and I was wondering if anybody was actually going to consider that seriously as I did (this line of argument made sense at the time). As a serious option to secure a "lynch" without voting for a player at the end of the day, I was also looking out for reactions to the idea.I am not familiar with nightless setups (having only played 2 forum mafia games on this site), so I wanted 2nd opinions. And happily enough, I got them:
Furthermore, I don't think it's a bad option at all.
What does town think of this? Especially Shadoweh, since you have expressed interest in a no lynch scenario.
As for lynching someone not in the game I think it's a bad idea. UK's description of the game doesn't suggest that level of bastardlyness.
And to answer your question related to that, Dan, no I don't think we should lynch in 24 hours. I imagine we don't want to take too long either, but shortening the time between lynches that much will garner us paniced mislynches and happy scum kills. I'm rather partial to my three day cycles.
I can't tell, are you accusing Kitten of attacking you? It looks kinda like that, it it's missing a vote to go with it. See, like this:Actually, it's not even phrased correctly like, "I can't tell, are you accusing Kitten of being scummy?" Does that mean that Shadoweh also thinks K4U attacking me was scummy? It's simply not as clear as it could be. Clearly Kitten attacked me, and I was the one to fill in the gap.
##Vote: Action Dan
Shadoweh, I keep thinking of the Game Day ending as a Pseudo-deadline. I am not accusing Kitten4u of attacking me, she did so, and she freely admits to such. That much is obvious. What I pointed out was that the way she went about it, did not strike me as above-board. Hence our spat, which tried to infur what the other was thinking.
Shadoweh, do I need to vote someone for that to "count"? And is this the sole reason you are voting me as well, for you see, it kinda looks like it .
I can think of much better reasons to vote Dormio then reacting to game mechanics. I also think Lambda sounds pretty town (WHICH MEANS SHE IS ACTUALLY OBVSCUM OMG) so I'm not interested in pushing mislynches.
I don't recall deciding that was the only reason you looked bad to me. It certainly didn't make me think you looked any better, scumbucko!If you didn't "steal" Omba's idea you sure as hell didn't mention it earlier as a reason of voting for me.
There's something bothering me about Zak and Shadoweh, but I can't figure out what it is right now. I'll see if I can figure it out later, going through their posts several times hasn't helped me yet.
In fact, you are only interested in not pushing Dormio's mislynch,
Well. Currently it's saying you're more concerned with speculating about the setup than hunting scum; while there's insufficient information for the speculation to bear any useful fruits.That seems rather solid to me.
Edible: Please explain your case on Lambda in further detail. I'd kind of like to compare it to your interesting case on Dan. And is that your whole case on him, or is there more to it?
The capt. h wagon also seems valid but it's a tad too opportunistic for me with Schezo and K4U jumping on it (though I like Dormio's post the best out of all of them).Is the "like best" only referring to the part concerning capt. h?
I've already answered that:My bad, I missed that. I still find it incredibly unsatisfying though.
Between her miller claim and the rage posts, LLD is hard for me to read. I'd like to hear both their reads on the other players first.In other words, your read on LLD is null? :|
You could, like, you know, just read that part as "you're actually only interested in defending Dormio / not getting Dormio lynched". Especially considering Shadoweh spoke of mislynches in the part that Dan quoted and answered to.
And previously you voted Lambda for... using traps. Care to explain what is so scummy about that that you'd vote her for it? Considering town can also do this; and that it's an effective way to quickly end RVS, as we've seen.
Next time, don't randomly jump in to defend people.This. I think it needs to be stated again since I already told Dan not to do this on page 2.
Shadoweh's use of the word came after stating she didn't pursue Lambda because she thought she would be a mislynch. Dan's use of it looked to me like he was referring directly to Dormio as a mislynch, which implies he has knowledge the rest of us don't. In short, he was careless.
That's pretty much my take on him too. So it would be good if we broke up this wonderful tunnelfight. Dormio, your twitter feed is all one-way, you should tell me about your thoughts on everyone now. Especially directly after one of my posts. :):< Am I not being angry enough for you? It's hard to be grr when everything feels so mellow and the room is all spinny x.x
Yeah, actually, it kind of does. To clarify, the core of the argument is "Dormio attacked Lambda for claiming Miller, and Lambda thinks this was scummy of him." This argument doesn't work to prove Scumio if someone believes that claiming Miller is a scummy action. I can think of much better reasons to vote Dormio then reacting to game mechanics. I also think Lambda sounds pretty town (WHICH MEANS SHE IS ACTUALLY OBVSCUM OMG) so I'm not interested in pushing mislynches.Guess who else seemed to refer to Dormio as a mislynch. :V
Doesn't make her go in a good light and I should say that this is another reason I think there is something scum motivated going on between those two, I don't see townie slapfight when I look at it.... ... ...
@Dormio: If you require clarification on why I was voting Lambda, ask. My case on her hasn't gone away, and I'm not really sure why you think it had.Oh, I thought that your grumble post was a getting off that case to make another one post.
because while a townie can look at a miller claim and go, "that's odd," who would actually say "HEY WHAT's UP WITH THAT?" and vote immediately?A... hahaha... :fail:
Then jumps off her wagon once it has become clear others do not share his opinion (and hence he's not getting his lynch).Or I had time away from the game and then got to read the game, and mainly the statements on how to play miller which made sense in retrospect, with a cool head. But whatever.
4 minutes later Shadoweh exclaims that Omba's explaination of why it is bad to quicklynch a non-player was her reason for thinking me scummy. Yet that was never mentioned directly beforehand, only that I sounded "weird."Because, personally, I agreed with all of Shadoweh's earlier points on ActionDan. And I thought that it was rather obvious that that was the reason why Shadoweh found it to be "weird". Since I was already assuming Omba's scenario when I asked the mod about it. (Only to be ridiculed for calling it a "night" period. :()
Guess who else seemed to refer to Dormio as a mislynch. :VUh, if you're referring to ActionDan, he kinda still builds a case on me that he can jump on later, despite calling me a mislynch?
Excuse me? You going, "I'm setup speculating, claiming I'm not, then speculating some more," is worse than if you were just speculating. Your whole post reads like a contradiction to me, since you are grilling someone for the same you are doing and responding in a roundabout way that would allow you be able to slip out of later.
Uh, if you're referring to ActionDan, he kinda still builds a case on me that he can jump on later, despite calling me a mislynch?I was referring to Shadoweh. This was a clarification regarding my case on Edible. Specifically, on why I think his Dan vote is so godawful.
Unless I misunderstood horribly and you're talking about someone else.
Do you still think Dan is scummy, or do you think he?s derptown?
I'll let you all in on a secret. I think Dan is town.:V
Mom! she's picking on me again! :ohdear:>:3
So, in your opinion, what ARE the better reasons to vote Dormio? Also what do you think of Kitten? You thought it scummy of me to think bad of her early on, but never actually gave an opinion of her in the process.
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Affinity I refuse to touch until I have flips. I always read him as scum and this game is no different.
As for everything else, it's the fact that you don't think it's town vs town, are doing nothing with it and perusing a third person, who at the time of voting was voting for the person that you thought was more likely to be scum. I realize that if you were town you wouldn't know 100% if it was town vs town as not, but none of your posts show you trying to figure it out. This is why I don't see town in it.
What were you hoping to get from Omba as of your vote? He was already voting for Dan, so I feel like it should have been obvious which of us he found worse, so I assume you were looking for something else?
Omba's posts are extremely fluffy. She doesn't give any opinion either way about Shadoweh, K4U, or LLD and her miller claim, and her reasons for voting Action Dan [were] vague. For someone that's fairly active, she sure doesn't have any strong opinions.
Excuse me? You going, "I'm setup speculating, claiming I'm not, then speculating some more," is worse than if you were just speculating. Your whole post reads like a contradiction to me, since you are grilling someone for the same you are doing and responding in a roundabout way that would allow you be able to slip out of later.
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Thank you Omba for clearing up some things for me. I feel better about you, enough to
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however, it would be nice to hear some more non null tell things from you.
K4U posted before me and asked the questions I wanted to ask, making me somewhat parroty.If that's true then what was bothering you about my vote?
Put simply, I thought she was the most likely scum at the time, in spite of not thinking you and Dan was town v. town. Omba's reads on Shadoweh, you and LLD are still null, to my knowledge. Neither scum nor town, just ?no opinion?, and no commentary about your play or actions.
Although you do state that you also find Schezo scummy. Why?:|
How else am I suppose to parse "That makes you no better that [the person I'm voting for] over here."? Of course, now that you've cleared up that you're not attacking me, I don't feel any scum motivation in your posting anymore.Are you seriously saying you're clearing LLD because she's not attacking you? The entire interaction between you two from #104 to #108 does not in fact make sense. "As bad as Dormeow" does sound like she's calling you scum. You attacked her over the miller claim and were voting for her easy lynch example, but you're her town read because ??? and this line of thinking is just dandy with you, no questions asked, all town and good here as long as she's not attacking you? That's terrible reasoning. You're welcome to follow my vote again if you like.
Is it too much to ask that you guys don't do weird stuff so I don't get weird vibes I can't explain? ;___;>.> BLAME THE PARROT NOT THE DRIVER! It's in my contract to be weird anyways :D
I dunno about Zak, but is it because Shadoweh has not had a single scumhunting post thus far? I know it's early-ish, but every one of her posts has been responses to other players or setup speculation (the latter of which is understandable). It's what's bothering me about her, at least. That and her tone seems a bit more inflammatory than usual, but lolmeta. In short, she's active-lurky.>.> Is it bad that I completely missed this? I literally only saw the later part about voting Dan over wording. I'm trying to be NICER! This does not appear to be working. >.< I'm looking over my own posts now and I don't think this is true. I'm not asking people opinions because I like seeing their posts, you realize, I want people to clarify their intentions so I can understand them better. Responses to other players is a weird term. I have quoted people and pointed out things they have said that I agree/disagree with, is this scummy today?
D1 is not a good day to burn out on Mafia, since it's the most crapshoot-y of all days due to the lack of flips, K4U. But oh well. I did not mean any harm to you in my above post.
capt.h is becoming stupidly exasperating. Calls Dan for lurking and being not so derptown without commenting on his case on Shadoweh, calls Dormio derptown for voting LLD when he actually agreed with his points on her, accuss Omba (sorry) for having lots of null reads without commenting on her case on Edible, Even his points on Schezo doesn't exactly ring true... In the end, capt.h has a fair number of arbitrary and unsubstantiated reads that I cannot condone; he's not so clear about what he thinks is derptown and what is not, and why Schezo all of a sudden rockets up to second scummiest target for him. Also, I see no currency to his cases seeing that he never really read up on the above people's latest posts.
@capt.h: If possible, capt.h, I would like you to answer the above statements to the best of your ability; otherwise, you are my second scum choice for today.
He became suspicious when he started posting. I disagree with him that Omba gave a solid opinion, since both Schezo and I agreed in our posts that most of Omba's opinions were null, and Schezo originally voted Omba for his vote on Dan.
You also seem to have a strong read on Omba. Could you clarify?No.
I think Dormio was the first to raise stuff on how he found Dan to be 'likely scum' and yet still proceeded to vote Omha, and in such a concise manner. Felt the best to my eyes.Affinity, can you go back and find where you saw this happen? My parrot doesn't think Dormio was the first to say anything about Dan, or that Dormio actually called Dan likely scum in any of his earliest posts.
Omba is town.
(and, like PX said, quoted me out of context for his case).Uh, I'd like to ask you and PX where I did this.
but his current vote is suspicious since he agrees with my points on OmbaOhnoez. People are capable of thinking along the same lines as me. That must make me voting for them all suspicious-like!
Omba's case on Edible is strange, and Edible's case itself doesn't look particularly town to me. Edible needs to explain why a scum slip is scum while falling into a trap is town, or expand on his reasons for voting Action Dan.
Omba's reads on Shadoweh, you (K4U) and LLD are still null, to my knowledge.On LLD: Already stated here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg646843.html#msg646843). (She's townie)
Omba, you suddenly cleared Dan as town using Meta reads. What about his new posts? What do you find town about them?He's started actually building a case on someone and the way he's going about it reads pretty much exactly like I'm used to from him when he's town. I'd like to hear more from him, but for now, that's enough for me to clear him, given that my reason for voting him was his full-on focus on speculation. As I wrote, I had forgotten that this kind of speculation is just something he likes to do. If you're still wondering, go read MHM in the archives.
Omba: I noticed while reading, I should clarify I was talking about LLD being a mislynch in the post you quoted, not Dormio.Ok then.
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Let's get some of them words about other people before they fall out of that cuddly skull of yours. Passively described your feelings? So he's posted a few times since then, what do you think of him now? Also, can you explain this to me, Zak?I ment the words I was reading were falling out of my skull, and that's what I said. I don't know what you think you're getting by twisting my wording around, but it sounds like you're trying to put a scumspin on everything I said. If I was scum, my words wouldn't need that added edge to them, so why are you doing this?
Are you seriously saying you're clearing LLD because she's not attacking you?Yes I am. I initially read her "As bad as dormio" as her accusing me of being scum while at the same time talking about how what I did was something town would do. When LLD cleared up that she wasn't making a direct scum accusation, what I made out her motive to be changed from"Defencive Scum" to "Town setting up a trap". I don't personally believe in setting up traps since Town is more likely to take the bait than scum, but I can see town intent in what she was trying.
I ment the words I was reading were falling out of my skull, and that's what I said. I don't know what you think you're getting by twisting my wording around, but it sounds like you're trying to put a scumspin on everything I said. If I was scum, my words wouldn't need that added edge to them, so why are you doing this?Maybe my intention is not clear. Right now all I have from you is "I think LLD and Dormio are town and SHADOWEH IS SCUM!" I'm pretty sure I'm not Sealed Evil In a Can, (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SealedEvilInACan) so I'd appreciate if you told me if you think anyone who might actually be scum is acting scummy to you. I admittedly like your response so far and might chase after someone new for us to bandwagon together all honeymoon-like if you answer.
Bledibleh: Thoughts on anyone that isn't Lambda?
Well. Currently it's saying you're more concerned with speculating about the setup than hunting scum; while there's insufficient information for the speculation to bear any useful fruits.
I also have to wonder with your "Shadoweh, Omba, and capt. h are scum, and we should turkey shoot Dormio because" what your priorities are.
As for our other townies: I think Omba is more than not town. This is result from clear and town like opinions and stances. LLD/Dormio. Gut says that this is a turkey shoot for scum (and I am examining those who attack one or the other). I don't think it's in town's best interest to lynch one of these. If I had to choose however, I'd choose Dorimo as the scum. Why? because while a townie can look at a miller claim and go, "that's odd," who would actually say "HEY WHAT's UP WITH THAT?" and vote immediately? (Unless you all are going to just tell me, "THAT'S OUR DURRRMIO!" BV)A turkey shoot = shooting fish in a barrel = Dormio and LLD seem like a town/town fight that Scum could easily capitalize on. No I don't wish to shoot you Dormio and I directly stated that town shouldn't lynch either of you. Also "more than not" can be read as "likely town".
My other immediate interest is capt.h (as a likely scum). I am going to reread him though to flesh out a better case.
"mislynch"First... I thought Shadoweh refered to both LLD/Dormio as mislynches, so my mind borrowed her language (I guess that wasn't the case).
He became suspicious when he started posting. I disagree with him that Omba gave a solid opinion, since both Schezo and I agreed in our posts that most of Omba's opinions were null, and Schezo originally voted Omba for his vote on DanYou keep quoting that I agree Omba's opinions were null. Where do I do this?
Time is running out until the end of this game day and I'm the vote leader, so you'll probably want some time to digest my claim. I am Funny Valentine, Town Governor. I have two passive abilities; the first one is Stand: I own a stand called Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap. I'm pretty sure it's just flavor but it's listed as a passive ability. I also have the passive ability Points: I get 10 points for every game day that passes. My active ability, at the cost of 30 points, is called Presidential Pardon. I can target a player and prevent said player from being lynched for the following 3 game days.Is this claim provable without us trying to lynch the player you selected?
My active ability, at the cost of 30 points, is called Presidential Pardon. I can target a player and prevent said player from being lynched for the following 3 game days.Huh. Can you use it on yourself? I'm pretty sure those things that you just switched votes for happened over 20 hours ago too, you know.
Why I think this has scum involvement: It's mostly gut on how I interpret their reactions and actions to each other with stuff like LLD's flaming attack with a trap and an undesirable response just feels like too much of a push against each other to really be town town in my opinion.See: Every Day One Ever. Two people fighting one on one with conviction does not make one of them scum. This always happens. Every game. This is bad and you should feel bad for saying it. You have earned possible voting status!
Do not misinterpret, I still want capt h goneWhy?
I had a lot of trouble following Dan's case on Shadoweh, which kept me from commenting on it. I think it's based on Shadoweh claiming that each lynch gives scum a night kill after Omba suggested it, which I don't find scummy on its own, nor do I find it scummy that an early D1 vote not be well backed. I think Dan also went after Shadoweh for trying to keep Dormio from being lynched for stepping in LLD's traps while Shadoweh hinted at but didn't mention any of the other reasons Dormio was scummy. It's a thought-out case, but I didn't think it was a great case.
Actually, Dan, could you clarify your case on Shaodweh?
Thank you Omba for clearing up some things for me. I feel better about you, enough to
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however, it would be nice to hear some more non null tell things from you.
You are getting off of someone who, in your own words, MUST BE SCUM
I no longer think Omba is the most likely scum.
##Unvote.So, uh, Kitten. What do you think about that, then?
##Vote: Schezo
So apparently he can't pardon himself, which makes the only way to prove his ability be lynching whoever he chooses.No, it's whoever we choose. If he refuses to show us his power we lynch him for being lying scum. He is not in any position to refuse.
Okay.
So.
capt. h's claim seems somewhat more believable now.
I find it a bit funny how capt. h seems to be jumping to the conclusion that, if somebody unvotes, then they're giving the person they unvoted a full clear?
And you accuse me of misrepresenting people?
Speaking of which, I'm still waiting to hear from you which parts of my posts were misreps.
Because, do you know what I think?
I think you just took that point from PX without giving it a second thought in order to try to defend yourself whilst making me look worse, or something.
I don't think Dan v. K4U is town v. town, and I think Dan is likely to be scum as a result. However, the way you [Omba] post null reads on the actions of a lot of other players and not really commit to any opinions on them is worse.
I don't think Dan v. K4U is town v. town, and I think Dan is likely to be scum as a result.
I cannot read in the morning.
Uh, how was that a misrep?
I really don't know. I did not say that you thought I was scum, I was asking for clarification on where you thought the shooting in the barrel thing would be a better idea than lynching the three people you said you thought were scum at the time.
I also have to wonder with your "Shadoweh, Omba, and capt. h are scum, and we should turkey shoot Dormio because" what your priorities are.
Omba, I cannot prove that I can stop a lynch without stopping a lynch.Hm ok. If you do stop a lynch, does it count as a lynch (but nothing happens), or does just nothing happen? I.e., if scum do get a kill for each lynch we do, would a stopped lynch give them a free kill?
What I find strange about your vote on Edible is that you're voting Edible for using a scum slip as an excuse to vote for Dan, who you thought was scummy at the beginning of the day with your vote. It's a complete 180 from your previous vote, and I assume it means you now have a strong town read on Dan.I do have a town read on Dan, but that town read and my reaction to Edible's vote are seperate. As far as I can tell, Edible's whole reason for voting Dan is that supposed slip-up. Regardless of who that case is, I'd attack him for it, even if I personally thought his target was scum for different reasons than the slip-up. A bad case is a bad case regardless of whom it's targeting; especially if it's a bad case used for jumping a wagon.
Hm ok. If you do stop a lynch, does it count as a lynch (but nothing happens), or does just nothing happen? I.e., if scum do get a kill for each lynch we do, would a stopped lynch give them a free kill?
- Why the miller claim seems reasonable to you, especially in the way LLD used it as a trap?
- Do you agree with the case on capt.h and do you think he is town or scum?
- If Dormio misrepresented capt.h in the posts that he selectively quoted and what the misrepresentation was in your opinion?
- What about Dan's vote absolved him of pushing a mod lynch?
- What about Affinity's clear logical points are towny? Do you agree with any of them? I'm ignoring that you brought up his mis-spelling because that's just silly.
Omba, "null" is an excuse not to give out reads. It means you feel no differently about the players in question after their exchange. In Dan v. K4U, K4U attacked Dan for a vote on the mod (which PX corrected me as "not a vote", but K4U didn't know it when she began her attack), attacked Dan for defending Affinity, and admitted to playing completely differently than she usually would play. Meanwhile, Dan declared his vote for the mod as serious and offered fairly wishy-washy opinions on K4U. I don't think Dan v. K4U is town v. town, and I think Dan is likely to be scum as a result. However, the way you post null reads on the actions of a lot of other players and not really commit to any opinions on them is worse.Yeah, I think he states he finds Omba worse? Even you didn't like Omba's nullreads at that point in time.
As for our other townies: I think Omba is more than not town. This is result from clear and town like opinions and stances.
Schezo's vote for me, then subsequent claim that "he still wanted capt.h dead" reads like he was still trying to bus his partner,You think so? The vote read like it was trying to appease Shadoweh and I to me. Though, I suppose that's much more apparent in his unvote than his vote.
My case on Shadoweh is not hard to follow. It involves a disconnect in thought processes between her initial vote post and her later posts claiming different reasons for why she voted me earlier. This kind of thinking I don't find to be town-motivated. Shadoweh not taking ideas from Omba 10 min after Omba posted is inconsequential to the fact that she didn't mention that "each lynch gives scum a night kill" was one of the reasons she voted for me until significantly later.It is actually kind of hard to follow because I can't see where I did this. I was very clearly upset with you for wanting to lynch in 24 hours in the first place. Then you explained to me you didn't just want to lynch in 24 hours, you wanted to lynch a non-player, hence my flip-out on you. You're effectively saying there's a disconnect in my thinking because I didn't explain why I thought it was a bad idea until I realized what exactly you wanted to pull. I also never claimed to have changed my initial reasoning and if this actually happened I'd like to see it.
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so I'm not seeing how K4u can call this version overpoweredAt the time, I assumed he could use it on himself. This is OP for scum because it makes a three person LYLO unwinnable for town.
Lambda trying to claim that capt. h and Schezo are scum together because they tried to start a wagon on her is a horrible basis for a case.I agree with this. I'll reread her tomorrow when I am no longer FORBIDDEN from rereading the game.
So I will propose that his is such an overpowered claim and I want him deadHow? He can protect -one- player that is not himself from getting lynched and that's only if we take at least 72 hours per lynch (otherwise that player will be dead before he can protect him again). And it doesn't read to me like we would get to see the alignment of the player that gets pardoned by him.
How? He can protect -one- player that is not himself from getting lynched and that's only if we take at least 72 hours per lynch (otherwise that player will be dead before he can protect him again). And it doesn't read to me like we would get to see the alignment of the player that gets pardoned by him.
I have to think a bit more about your claim.
Schezo, the most suspicious thing I find about your roleclaim is that you don't refer to anything by name. What's your role name, what's the name of your character, what are the names of your stand and your passive abilities, and what is the name of your active ability?
And here I was thinking I wouldn't overreact to this game but I'm finding it hard not to, especially since you want to and make me turn out like last game or something.Yes, it is my goal this game for you to wildly flail around calling me scum. That is my goal in life.
Do I expect to live long enough for you to let me prove I can use it, no I honestly don't. In fact I spent an abysmally long time giving his claim the slight possibility of both of us having the same power, and it does not work.You don't have the same power. Your powers don't sound anything alike. This sounds like a silly question but why do you think your power sounds unbelievable?
This sounds like a silly question but why do you think your power sounds unbelievable?Um what? I find it unbelievable that town would have both my power and his at their disposal and if they do I'm fearing the wraith of God from what scum can pull on us, but both of us not being on the same faction with our powers is more believable.
Kitten have I mentioned you are my hero lately.:3
Yeah, I kinda want the cat to explain how I didn't react in a protown way.I gave you three chances to give any last minute comments. You did not. Town would want their comments out there since they were about to be confirmed via death and they would never be able to speak again. There was more than 15 minutes between my fake kill and when I came clean. That was more than enough time for you to say stuff.
My power is really, Once per game mind you, I can take 100 points, yes ten whole days of being alive, and use it to save the life of 1 person I do not want to be killed and this will act as an aura for 4 game days. Once that happens the day will restart and the person I saved will live. Did I want to claim such a power out loud? Hell no.
I've never been vigged before.
Schezo (3) Kitten4u, PX
14) The flavor, it means NOTHING![/color]
Final Note: I think that scum are going to gain their kill every 72 hours OR after a lynch. So... I think we should be looking into lynching before another 72 hours go around. That's something I could see happening.Why did it take you so long to mention this? You were the one actually in the game, didn't it occur to you earlier the scum kill might work like this?
I'm not entirely convinced that lynching will give scum an immediate NK since they get one after 72 hours even if we don't lynch. I suppose it just depends if we want to play it safe or if we want to take a chance and try to get two lynches before the next 72 hour mark.Are all you guys fucking kidding me? No one even thinks of the possibility that maybe that wasn't a scum "night" kill, but a vig shot, serial killer, scum bonus kill or whatever else that just needs 3 days till it's ready, like the ability capt. h claimed? Even though we haven't even seen yet what happens after a lynch? ... :colonveeplusalpha:
No one even thinks of the possibility that maybe that wasn't a scum "night" kill, but a vig shot, serial killer, scum bonus kill or whatever else that just needs 3 days till it's ready, like the ability capt. h claimed?I suppose it's possible. I doubt the kill was motivated by anything but anti-town action though. Schezo's reaction to my claim (believing it) makes me think that it had something to do with the mafia too.
@Capt.h: What is your read on Schezo and on Dormio?
*Throws hands up and stares at Dormio in disbelief*
What did I just say about flavor? I got a PM, I know nothing about this flavor so I'm reading that as what UK gave me. That's what I do! What are you looking for serial killer?! Vig?! I don't do that!
I would post about people but you all seem to have made up your minds already and LLD still gets away with tunneling 1 person a day and already making scum pairs. I also did make comments about all the stuff I thought already and all the info I was going to put out since I was a candidate for lynch yesterday, the only thing I could add extra was Serp's death but lol kill speculations and I'm frustrated you all are holding it over me I'm not sharing info and reads with you.
*Throws hands up and stares at Dormio in disbelief*
What did I just say about flavor? I got a PM, I know nothing about this flavor so I'm reading that as what UK gave me. That's what I do! What are you looking for serial killer?! Vig?! I don't do that!
I would post about people but you all seem to have made up your minds already and LLD still gets away with tunneling 1 person a day and already making scum pairs. I also did make comments about all the stuff I thought already and all the info I was going to put out since I was a candidate for lynch yesterday, the only thing I could add extra was Serp's death but lol kill speculations and I'm frustrated you all are holding it over me I'm not sharing info and reads with you.
Schezo's vote for me, then subsequent claim that "he still wanted capt.h dead" reads like he was still trying to bus his partner, but he was hoping to get a town mislynch (me) first today, and then continue his bus of capt.h tomorrow.
People pushing a wagon on me because I am "lurking scum" are gaining +1 scum points, just for the fact that it's TOTALLY PLAUSIBLE that scum would come out day 1 like I have, draw attention to them selves... and then try to lurk2victory IN THE SAME DAY. Yeah, no, that's not even thinkable. That's scum logic at its best.
Also, your comment on capt.h's claim is weird. How is Governor who makes someone immune to being lynched forever sound like vanilla townie to you? Do you believe the claim or not?
Logic only works on those who are sane.But the voices in my head tell me that my sanity is perfectly fine. :(
What are you looking for serial killer?! Vig?! I don't do that!I think you're a janitor or something. :)
So Schezo's scum. Do we want to get his lynch overwith today? I think points-wise it would be better for us to wait two more days before throwing his ass out. I'm still certain scum will get another kill immediately after a lynch. The only real thing stopping us will be townie tedium waiting two days to see his red mugshot.
Final Note: I think that scum are going to gain their kill every 72 hours OR after a lynch. So... I think we should be looking into lynching before another 72 hours go around. That's something I could see happening.
My only real complaint at this point re: Schezo-lynch after the unvote/revote and the great reaction to a fake vig (rofl k4u) is the speed at which his wagon formed yesterday. That said, too much rides on the result of his flip right now, so I'd like to see him lynched myself.That's kind of like complaining about the speed of a wagon on someone who just claimed scum. It would be harder to find reasons NOT to vote him. There's no way in hell we're taking any MORE then Day 6 to lynch, the only question we're having is how much less we want to take to not get bored.
Does anyone else have a regular role name like that?Yes, my role name is normal. You would be able to tell exactly what I do once I flip. There's even an entry on the MafiaScum Wiki about it using the exact name.
Because my role runs off of the exact same mechanics Schezo's does, right down to the number of game days that have to pass before I can activate it.Fun fact: I can use my role every 3 days. Exact same point thingy.
I think you're a janitor or something. :)I don't know much about flavor, so could you expand on why you made these comments? In addition, other than your reads on flavor and role, you haven't made a case on Schezo. It's understandable since you're main lynch was me until Schezo stalled out the day, but I would very much like to hear what you think about Schezo outside of his role claim. I find your current play to be suspicious.
I don't know much about flavor, so could you expand on why you made these comments?Because I have three examples where the character's ability matches up with the claimed ability.
you haven't made a case on Schezo.Because I have nothing further to add on the cases that everyone else had other than that I don't believe the roleclaim.
I wouldn't mind just lynching him around the 48 hour mark. If people haven't posted something useful/substantial by then (except for maybe Dan who seems to have an excuse) then they're probably lurkscum anyway.Or are waiting to see some damn flip. This waiting around is kind of... demotivating, honestly.
Alright. I'm going to be operating under a few assumptions:
1.) Schezo is mafia
2.) Serpentaruis was killed by mafia
3.) capt. h is town
##Vote ActionDanAnother reason why I want to see Schezo's flip as soon as possible, in addition to the NK reason Affinity brought up.
Omba's is a pretty blatant wagon hop for no apparent reason.You mean apart from the fucking DEADLINE thing? And that aside, the reasons I -did- bring up?
Oh right I guess I should address Omba's concern about the kill. Town vigs tend to target people who look like scum. If a town vig thought it was a good idea to shoot freaking Serp yesterday I will punch them in the throat the moment they claim for being a dumbass.Dumbasses aside, that still leaves us with a lot of anti-town directions that kill could have come from, besides being a standard NK.
I don't really think we should bother lynching for the information when quite a few people's roles seem to be so point heavy.Assuming at least one of Schezo and capt. h is scum, that means scum work with a point system, too. We don't know if it has anything to do with their kills, but it is at the least very likely that they have abilities that are tied to the number of game days that passes. What tells you that waiting around is more beneficial for town than for scum?
You mean apart from the fucking DEADLINE thing? And that aside, the reasons I -did- bring up?You had previously stated that you found capth suspicious and in your reasons post you had stated that you really hadn't been paying any attention to Schezo. I find this suspicious.
I -did-, however, not write anything about Schezo before that point, that much is true.
@Shadoweh: I'm quite sure myself (though not for complete certainty) that capt.h and Schezo being scum together is more than a technical possibility; the content of each other's posts seem to confirm the other as scum as I raised above.Well fair enough if you really think so. I don't think we're any happier with capt.h then you are still, but there's a long list of everyone else we're not happy with. I agree that most of yesterday was chipping in nothing, it doesn't make me any happier about it. The information is more useful after the flip only if people actually put out the bloody information in the first place. I feel Schezo is a bad excuse to forget all that other early game stuff happened. LLD and Dormio still had a spat, Dormio is still singlemindedly twittering, Omba still voted Edible, Dan still seems to think I'm scum, I have no idea if Zak still thinks so since he STILL hasn't given me those opinions I asked for, Edible is still doing insane amounts of active lurking, and my parrot and I agree that if we consider Omba and Edible's post to be meager, then PX can only be described as freaking famished with streamlined opinions that he literally only contributes when I prod him. We are NOT going to forget three days just because Schezo trainwrecked so hard.
Speaking of early day things, I don't think I'm properly representing how much Dorian wants us to kill LLD with fire.
You had previously stated that you found capth suspicious and in your reasons post you had stated that you really hadn't been paying any attention to Schezo. I find this suspicious.Yes, this is true.
I imagine this will play out like DtB except without the whole deadline thing. Lynch, then scumnightkill after a day ends and that's about it. Should we rush 24-48 lynches, no I don't really think so, the 72 hour deadline has always seemed to work in the past before so I'll say keep to this schedule and only detain if we have something hot going on and have to carry over into a 96 hour day.is interesting if Schezo flips scum. I was expecting a few people to push for dragging our first lynch out, but I sure as hell wasn't expecting everyone but one (? I'll have to re-read later to make sure it was just Affinity) to go along with it.
Omba, I'd imagine it's true the scum work on points as well. The reason it should in theory be better for town to wait the extra day is there are simply more of us then there are of them and eight-nine roles should beat three and a possible one's role.This is a very dangerous assumption to make. Simply because we don't know what roles scum have. Number of roles tells us exactly nothing about the power those roles have; this can easily be adjusted so neither side has an advantage, or so that scum has an advantage if we do very long days.
And what does "being pulled into an alternate dimension mean?" youre clearing him?Being capt h
For testing Capt. Kiro's claim, I'll offer myself. I'm an Informed Townie, and I know thatSakuya IzayoiDio Brando is in this game and wields ZA WARUDO as an ability.
goodness!BRITISH GOVERNOR SCUM!
Hi Shadoweh: thanks for essentially starting a massclaim despite what you say. No really that's freaking awesome since the logical jump is 100 point powers > 30 point powers. If only I had two votes.I would have found 90 more logical then 100, but okay. I just think your role sounds really bad for something that takes over three kills to get to. I don't -think- UncertainKittan hates doctors that much.
I'm still hesitant to test his claim. Assuming Serp was the NK we've already lost one lynch. If they're able to NK right after we lynch even if 72 hours hasn't passed then testing it would just lose us one more. I think capth is town at this point (counter-wagon to Schezo, only wagon for a respectable chunk of the day, townie sounding claim) so I'm not particularly eager to test it.
I suggest we not test it on Schezo, he'd be stuck with us for another lynch after that. x: Same with PX.. is there ANYONE we want to either get lynched by falling for a fake governor or be stuck with for a lynch cycle after the governor's pardon?
When a majority vote is reached, the vote count will be reset, and you will be informed that the player was pardoned. You will not be informed about who pardoned the player, and the day will not end. I do not know anything about when scum gets to kill, and when I asked UK she refused to answer.capt.h can clarify, but it sounds like we won't have to wait until the day ends to find out the votecount was pardoned, it'll happen instantly, and the day itself won't be affected by it. We'd just have to make sure he's on standby and ready, and not able to say he wasn't here to do the action. It shouldn't give scum another kill.
For testing Capt. Kiro's claim, I'll offer myself. I'm an Informed Townie, and I know thatSakuya IzayoiDio Brando is in this game and wields ZA WARUDO as an ability.
Mod Note: A Game Day ending does NOT reset the vote count or end in no lynch. It merely is an easy way to increment things. Lynches will always occur at the END of a Game Day. Consider the time after the hammer is dropped a "twilight" of sorts.
Can someone just lynch him right now then? There's no point in stalling for Town. We're running under a lot of assumptions, and this flip is crucial.
Speaking of early day things, I don't think I'm properly representing how much Dorian wants us to kill LLD with fire. I mean, really lynch the seven hells out of her over Schezo. The only part we disagree on is whether the ragequit is a sign of townism or not. It's certainly not the content since her posts alone consist of votepark, WIFOM Miller claim, blatantly attack the first person to point out it's WIFOM and vote her, insist one person voting for her is scum realllly pushing for that miller lynch, then claim she didn't introduce any WIFOM, all she did was claim Miller. Newsflash, it was WIFOM and someone was going to vote you for it. Since everything after that from her is /effort and jumping on Affinity's capt.h x Schezo train, I admit I'm also interested in their flips. If I start to feel like I'm talking to a wall again I'm going to let Dorian do the talking to you for me, and he wants you dead so you reallllllly don't want that Lambda.
The first person to point out what is wrong with this claim gains a cookie from me.First thing that comes to mind is HELLO JESTER or HELLO BOMB. Also that he's completely wasting his role by claiming now, if it's true.
First thing that comes to mind is HELLO JESTER or HELLO BOMB. Also that he's completely wasting his role by claiming now, if it's true.
You really don't think I as town would tell you to put out some content or get lynched? Did you not play with me last game? >.>
To me, you are a town read. My other half is heavily disagreeing with me and you are not doing anything I can argue with him about in your defense. Literally, nothing, that is what you've done. Guess which one of us that makes me think might be wrong about what alignment you are? He also still thinks Schezo might be town that's just given up under the weight of people screaming for a quicklynch.
Frankly your ALMOST speeches are WIFOM every time and it benefits no one to hear you make them. Go find actual proof to back up your claims instead of spinning mafia theory and mind-reading to suit your cases. You'll get to hear more of our case on you tomorrow since neither of us thinks we can pull Schezo out of this grave today and we don't want our opinions on you to be forgotten things we need to re-link to.
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okay I'm back
WHAT THE SHIT.
So let me get this straight. Your 'problem' with PX's claim, that he knows there is someone in this game with the role Dio Brando, with the ability to use ZA WARUDO, is that YOU ARE DIO BRANDO WITH THE ABILITY TO USE ZA WARUDO?!? You are freaking confirming he's correct! Can you explain why you have a problem with him being RIGHT?!
You and I both agree that there won't be a scumkill even if we were to go into Day 6, which I still believe is the optimal play. Other people have expressed interest in seeing a flip before then, feeling there isn't much left to argue about, and/or are just feeling like /effort. Your solution to this is to MAKE TODAY LONGER. THANKS. THANKS ALOT.
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Also, yes I am withholding the flavor of my role. I'm just providing the things Town needs to know.
Then I'm confused. What's making you think Schezo could possibly be town? Or am I misreading you completely?
Wow, is that what you were trying to say earlier? We completely disagree then. I think it's an OR situation. Lynch OR 72 hours after a lynch, whichever comes first. There's hardly enough players to give scum two nightkills that fast.
Schezo is likely town because he is the mislynch that is guaranteed for them.But... doesn't this work regardless of whether Schezo is town or scum?
But... doesn't this work regardless of whether Schezo is town or scum?
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And what does "being pulled into an alternate dimension mean?" youre clearing him?No, just that I believe his roleclaim.
I still think that Lambda's claim is a large keg of wine. However, after reading it over with a cooler head, I realize my attempt to have her killed basically boils down to a policy lynch. And policy lynches are bad. Ergo, I need to apologize for that.
Schezo: I believe that his posts, whilst sparse, do make sense.
I'm wondering if he could clarify what capt. h's "blatant misrep" in this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.ph...html#msg646079) was though.
Blehdibleh: I don't really like how Bledibleh doesn't have a case on anyone right now. ~*~Timezones~*~ may be in effect here, so I want to wait a bit more on this.
Kitten4u: Similar to Schezo, I think she's town.
There's something that strikes me as off about Shadoweh's posts.
Firstly, there's the whole "defend the person you think is scum" thing.
And then, because I like to make my cases one at a time, I'm tunnelling. Naturally.
When I stop mentioning someone, I'm either waiting for a response or nothing about what I think of them has changed.
Also, Shadoweh is the one saying stuff like "If capt. h disappeared, who would you pick now", and later the same question except with Schezo, yet suggests the quick-ish lynch to test the Day/NK theory. I think. If I've misread this, correct me because I'm not in a fully right state of mind right now.
Shit happens.
This took a lot longer than I thought it would.
Cut by mod: Huh, what?
lol.
So I guess we'll see as long as we get a lynch in before the third day ends.
I'd like a link to the post where she asks players to defend scum picks.
Kitten4hugs, I know this is probably more :effort: for someone who's confirmed scum to you, but is there anything in Schezo's last few posts that sounds townie to you?She also asked me the same question regarding capt. h somewhere, but I can't find it for now and I'm busy today.
I asked -you- when there were much better reasons for you to consider the question seriously. It doesn't mean I was asking you to defend him.
I asked you to find one good thing because even for the worst player it is impossible that every single thing they do sounds bad. Not one? You can't see one little shred of evidence that could make you doubt your read on capt.h for an instant? Are you really -that- sure about yourself or are you just worried about having to, heaven forbid, sound like you might not think he's scum?Because trying to make me double-guess myself is totally not an attempt to defend him in any way, shape, or form, right?
Stop trying to kill me dammit!
I just noticed what capt.h pointed out about the votes. Lambda, you told us your power would stop votes from being moved, is that actually what your time freeze said?
Also I had some time to think about Day 3, especially Dan's interactions with Schezo and Serp. this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg647461.html#msg647461) and this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg647796.html#msg647796) on Day 3 have a wonderful progression. The first one has SCHEZO I AM WATCHING YOU! But if you look really closely he thinks Schezo is null leaning towards town. He also says we shouldn't vote for capt.h. The second one? He quotes capt.h's asking for flavor, but agrees with Mr.Townie about to flip in 10 minutes that capt.h is scum over Schezo and puts himself on the h over our buddy Scumzo. Good thing he's back in time for his face-punches!
##Vote: Action Dan
>_> You seriously still think I'm scum. I'm gonna let you finish that re-read before the punching continues.
Also I had some time to think about Day 3, especially Dan's interactions with Schezo and Serp. this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg647461.html#msg647461) and this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg647796.html#msg647796) on Day 3 have a wonderful progression. The first one has SCHEZO I AM WATCHING YOU! But if you look really closely he thinks Schezo is null leaning towards town. He also says we shouldn't vote for capt.h. The second one? He quotes capt.h's asking for flavor, but agrees with Mr.Townie about to flip in 10 minutes that capt.h is scum over Schezo and puts himself on the h over our buddy Scumzo. Good thing he's back in time for his face-punches!
##Vote: Action Dan
Question: This perhaps sounds stupid to you, my OTaccuser, but could you point out what is explicitly scummy about this. As it stands now it reads as IIoA, and the one obvious but not-quite-said point you make here is that I did not vote Scum and I look scummy for it.I'm not sure why I have to explain how you voting for not-Schezo at 4 minutes before the end of the day, when your vote would have pushed Schezo to L-1 where we could have gotten him hammered right then and there, instead of putting capt.h at L-2 which put BOTH wagons outside of lynchiness leaving us at square one today, is scummy. But there you go!
Huh What Replaces Omba!Sorry about that, guys. Good luck!
I don't think Dan v. K4U is town v. town, and I think Dan is likely to be scum as a result.Since, uh, K4u is town, anything to say about this?
Congraturations new replacement. You found your seat on the fence quite nicely.
Tell me is there anyone you have a strong read on?
And don't give me this "I'M TIRED, I JUST REPLACED IN" bullshit, since apparently you were informed enough to make a read on everyone and vote.
Further, your "NOTE: PLEASE DON'T DEBATE THIS.PLEASE." is scummy as shit. Read: "My cases and opinions are shit, unfounded, basically random, and have no backing to them. I can't defend them at this point in time. Please don't question me while I throw my vote down on an easy mislynch~!"
MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO WIN THE GAME, LAMBDA.
We aren't at a rate of 2 kills per lynch. There has been one kill because we took too long, then one lynch and one kill immediately after it, when there shouldn't have been. Scum get a kill per lynch. I am putting my foot down on your nonsense. Start playing the game NOW. Scum reads. Why is capt.h scummier then everyone else? Why are Dan and Omba so high? Why do you think anyone on your list is scum?
I have already explained why I claimed miller.
Lambda: When you get this, respond to my question from before your last post. Specifically, why do you think scum want to go after the Miller so badly?
His question to me about "Why would scum attack millers?" is something I HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED.
Actions not in UK's inbox DO NOT COUNT. They need to be online the site to make the kill.
Mod Note: Hope you all are reading these, because this is important. Actions MAY be presubmitted if you feel you need an action to go off at X time and aren't going to be around to do it yourself. Naturally, you have to be able to DO said action at the submitted time. You, however, do NOT have to be able to do said action at the time of submission. Feel free to PM me for any clarifications with regards to your role
Oh, good. A scumslip, how droll.
Oops, guess who's trying to intentionally mislead town!
So, uh, does anyone else like the fact that the only people that LSD attacks have been people that voted her?
So, uh, does anyone else like the fact that the only people that LSD attacks have been people that voted her?
What happened to you thinking I was confirmed scum for reacting to your miller claim how I did?
You did some things that I wouldn't expect scum to do.
LLD's giving me a headache.
LLD, are you trying to get lynched?
I really mean it. I think you're trying to convince town to lynch you.
Also Lambda is still so obviously town it hurts.
Like, physically hurts and drives me to alcohol.
What is this game I don't even.
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What?
Also right now people don't want to lynch you for being a miller. People want to lynch you for flailing like a derptard. You want to be judged by non-derp standards, so stop acting like one. Take a step back and actually look at what you're saying. It's awful. Stop it.
Dorian and I are going to drunkenly post in our QT now and see if you make more sense that way.
No, too derp to be scum was last game. This is NeoSerela level 'Let's self hammer in LYLO and catch the scum tomorrow' idiocy, or Helepolis 'Let's vote myself and pray PX doesn't hammer me for fun' plans. Only town believes these kinds of silly plays are the best option.
What part about me thinking you're town don't you understand? Apparently I believe in it more then you do. Stop WIFOMing, assuming everything revolves around your miller claim, realize we are not quicklynching and make cases instead of giving scum free reign to throw you into the Grand Canyon.
I would very much like to LLD's reads on other players. Not reactionary time stops. Not miller claims and OMGUS. Not suggestions to quick lynch half the game (especially considering my top scum pick Dormio isn't on her list). Just well thought out explanations for why she thinks the players she wants to lynch are scummy.
Dan: If you need two days you should take them now so you're not gone too far past Day 7. I'm pretty sure we're not lynching you yet unless someone claims a guilty on you over Sailor Schezo over there.
Schezo: The only thing that would stupify me more is if you contributed! I suggest if we go into Day 6 your post be a song about how the RNG wants you to be scum to the tune of Paint the Town Red.
Well fair enough if you really think so. I don't think we're any happier with capt.h then you are still, but there's a long list of everyone else we're not happy with. I agree that most of yesterday was chipping in nothing, it doesn't make me any happier about it. The information is more useful after the flip only if people actually put out the bloody information in the first place. I feel Schezo is a bad excuse to forget all that other early game stuff happened. LLD and Dormio still had a spat, Dormio is still singlemindedly twittering, Omba still voted Edible, Dan still seems to think I'm scum, I have no idea if Zak still thinks so since he STILL hasn't given me those opinions I asked for, Edible is still doing insane amounts of active lurking, and my parrot and I agree that if we consider Omba and Edible's post to be meager, then PX can only be described as freaking famished with streamlined opinions that he literally only contributes when I prod him. We are NOT going to forget three days just because Schezo trainwrecked so hard.
Speaking of early day things, I don't think I'm properly representing how much Dorian wants us to kill LLD with fire. I mean, really lynch the seven hells out of her over Schezo. The only part we disagree on is whether the ragequit is a sign of townism or not. It's certainly not the content since her posts alone consist of votepark, WIFOM Miller claim, blatantly attack the first person to point out it's WIFOM and vote her, insist one person voting for her is scum realllly pushing for that miller lynch, then claim she didn't introduce any WIFOM, all she did was claim Miller. Newsflash, it was WIFOM and someone was going to vote you for it. Since everything after that from her is /effort and jumping on Affinity's capt.h x Schezo train, I admit I'm also interested in their flips. If I start to feel like I'm talking to a wall again I'm going to let Dorian do the talking to you for me, and he wants you dead so you reallllllly don't want that Lambda.
I still want answers to questions people have been ignoring for days. I don't want them to be forgotten in the rush of 'Hooray Schezo flipped scum!' or 'WTF SCHEZO IS THE WORST TOWN EVER!' I fully intend to keep pushing these questions after the lynch if I have to. But like I said, the only real reason to lynch early is going to be motivation. Omba, I'd imagine it's true the scum work on points as well. The reason it should in theory be better for town to wait the extra day is there are simply more of us then there are of them and eight-nine roles should beat three and a possible one's role.
Kitten stop cutting me with everything I want to say. >:(
Affinity has been lurking hard enough I have trouble remembering they're part of the game- and they really have contributed exactly jack shit. I also would love to hear what he wants me to apparently answer for- He doesn't seem to mention what that is ANYWHERE. To that I will also explain that, sadly, I am not a mindreader and capable of informing him what the hell Dan was thinking. Add to that his suspiciously missing case on Schezo when he voted him, instead saying a bunch of words about Capt. H and how Schezo relates to him. His inability to drop this even riding into today seems...honestly suspicious. Not getting a good vibe from him, frankly.
and now I wait for the pointing out about my not having proof when I don't link postsWell since you asked so nicely. Your posting style is rambly and hard to follow, I'd like you to clearly state in a small post three people you currently believe could be scum, with three-four sentences on why, preferably to linked posts where this suspicious behaviour occured. It's very important we start being able to understand how your thinking works.
Well since you asked so nicely. Your posting style is rambly and hard to follow, I'd like you to clearly state in a small post three people you currently believe could be scum, with three-four sentences on why, preferably to linked posts where this suspicious behaviour occured. It's very important we start being able to understand how your thinking works.
You even used flailing to describe her behaviour.
I'm going to guess she's not a scum bomb, since she's already PROVEN she's Dio Brando with the power to manipulate time!
The mod quote you pointed out as her trying to mislead town? She wouldn't be able to make that mistake as scum.
You are posting a whole bunch of proof that Lambda is flailing derp town and calling it obvscum.
What I said about LLD here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg650377.html#msg650377) doesn't change, and what she did was terrible but not really significant to what I previously thought of her then. She's too brave to be scum in my opinion, but if she is to be lynched, one can't really complain.Yes you can. Watch me. DON'T LYNCH SOMEONE WHO ISN'T SCUM. What do you plan to do if PX keeps up his silent treatment? The pressure hasn't worked so far and he hasn't answered your questions.
Since capt.h is also deadset on LLD, as well as Dormio, what exactly separates Edible from the others, Shadoweh?That's a good question. The answer as always lies in opinions. I know what capt.h's opinions are just fine, even if they're wrong. He wants to eliminate the faulty logic. Dormio has been harder to follow, but he asked valid questions that LLD wasn't answering and pointed out something genuinely scummy sounding (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg650619.html#msg650619) before voting for the blatant OMGUS. He's not clear for this, but it's alot better then Edible's reason.
<_< Every time I see you go "LAMBDA IS TOWN!!!" I look at your signature and go "welp."Yeah that game where I acted as freakishly town as possible is a perfect metaphor for this situation.
To elaborate on why LSD couldn't mistake action timing, Serpentarius died the second Day 3 ended. Therefore, scum have already confirmed that actions can be presubmitted to UK. They would know that anyone with an action or that read what you quoted will also have this information.
I also will not accept your accusation that I'm tunneling - there is a difference between actively pursuing someone I believe to be scum, and only looking at one person the whole game.Confirmation Bias or Tunnel Vision is when a player becomes convinced by their own arguments by virtue of how long or how strong they hold them. (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tunneling) You are blatantly tunneling. A quick look at your voting history confirms your tunnel-vision. Your case is a tunnel. You are the definition, of choo choo I'm a train going down this tunnel.
I have made my thoughts clear on other players I believe might be scummyNo you haven't. You haven't made your thoughts clear on anyone but Lambda. Please feel free to do so now.
Confirmation Bias or Tunnel Vision is when a player becomes convinced by their own arguments by virtue of how long or how strong they hold them. (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tunneling) You are blatantly tunneling. A quick look at your voting history confirms your tunnel-vision. Your case is a tunnel. You are the definition, of choo choo I'm a train going down this tunnel.
capt.h: Yeah LLD didn't include one of her more recent games (http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=17417) complete with rageposting since there's no meta to be found there. Lots of rage though. Mai wasn't better then this, you're missing a huge difference in attitude. Mai didn't care if we weren't listening to her, and was happy to float to blissful endgame. There's nothing floaty about Lambda.
Shadoweh, why does that game make you think LLD is derp town, and not scum?Last post before Shadowehzzy. I am simply supplying you proof that LSD is perfectly capable of being foolish, rageaholic and over-emotional. Your argument is based on competence. I suggest you ask Kiro if he thinks townies are capable of being this special.
I prefer lynching Schezo ASAP just to test the limits of the killing roles, whether it activates every 3 days or after a kill....which actually goes along quite nicely with my hypothesis that want to use kill times to fuck with us. His suggestion would be further and a scummy agenda, AND, as a bonus, it is somewhat hypocritical when you consider that he already voted Dan for the following:
ActionDan, you amuse me. Advocating, supporting, and leading a quick no lynch, Essentially saying to give scum a free kill. I think it warrants this.The way he advocated lynching to give scum a kill despite admonishing it earlier looks like he was just using his reasons against Dan to sneak a vote on to the table, which is scummy. Even if Dan's methods would not lead to an actual kill like PX's would, they still had the same base of "hey, let's lynchrush somebody just for the sake of experimenting with game mechanics that scum could easily use to fool us!'. PX doesn't even have the excuse of having pushed a case against Schezo that was strong enough for him to want Schezo quicklynched, because as Chaore pointed out, PX's case on Schezo was minimalistic garbage.
On scum killing: I doubt they get to save up kills like that.I don't. I'm allowed to save up shots of my ability and use it on two+ people at once, so I don't see why scum can't. I'm under the impression their kills operate on a system similiar to the ability points system.
I'd still like to see Chaore's other two scum picks. I think defending PX would leave a horrible taste in my mouth, and I've mentioned his play is reactionary at best. But when isn't PX scum? What do you two think of his claim if it's a scum claim? I'm not sure I'd believe they took a random guess that happened to be true.
capt.h: Yeah LLD didn't include one of her more recent games (http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=17417) complete with rageposting since there's no meta to be found there. Lots of rage though. Mai wasn't better then this, you're missing a huge difference in attitude. Mai didn't care if we weren't listening to her, and was happy to float to blissful endgame. There's nothing floaty about Lambda.
Your case on me makes me giggle. I was third on the wagon against Dormio in BGoM because he was obvious lynch material. I had no reason to be third on Schezo as scum at that time, you were quite the viable counterwagon. This might shock you, but I voted Schezo to L +1 because there wasn't a recent votecount and I believe in vote-changing powers until there's proof otherwise. I did the same thing as Protoman. I'm happy I got kill Schezo again after all. :D If you look at where Kitten4u was voting, then at her role and what I've claimed she did with it, my change of opinion might make more sense to you.
I'm not sure how much clearer I have to be about this. Lambda is town. I will fight you all to the death on this. You are lynching her over my dead body.
PX isn't scum when he is killing cops, sadly enough.뭔 말 하고 있냐?
PX isn't scum when he is killing cops, sadly enough.What are you to say?
LLD: Would you be willing to switch to PX if it meant getting a lynch that wasn't you today, or do you believe we should wait longer before lynching?
Why would scum attack millers?question and subsequent response to your answer, which as Edible pointed out, is something Schezo never asked. In other words, your Schezo case is based on events that never happened. Your response when pressed for reads is to do anything but give them - in fact, your unvoted Schezo and froze the day, blatantly slowing Schezo's wagon, partially because of how Shadoweh pressed you for information, (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg648883.html#msg648883) but also because you found PX being correct about your power and the fact that everyone thought Schezo was scum as suspicious. You immediately vote me without explaining your reasons besides not wanting to second guess yourself (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg649616.html#msg649616), and leaving us in the dark on your thought process. Then when pressed (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg650014.html#msg650014) you get a little out there, and suggest we lynch half the players as quickly as possible without explaining what is scummy about them, say we should either lynch you or Edible and then lynch the other player if the first flips town, and when pressed for reads and thoughts again (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg650700.html#msg650700), you say you'll be gone until the lynch is over.
You've done nothing but throw town into chaos while going as far out of your way as possible to not explain your actions or tell us your reads, so I think you're scum.
The case on capt. h honestly seems rather hard to buy into at this point, not only because Schezo was the counterwagon to capt. h, but also because I have a hard time believing that scum would rather bus their Godfather (who seemed to even have an additional ability) than whatever the theoretical scum!capt. h's role is, unless the theoretical scum!capt. h's role is extremely powerful. I would appreciate it if those currently attacking capt. h would elaborate on why they believe a scum!capt. h is valid given what we know about the scenario for scum that lead up to Schezo's lynch.
I found Schezo scummy and Dormio suspicious yesterday, and nothing they have done have changed my reads on them. I'd vote Schezo, but that would put him at L-2.
I have job-required volunteer work that all day today, so I won't be able to answer too many questions until tonight.
What choice did capt.h have at that point? It was his life of Schezo's.Yes, but Schezo was a Godfather with a role name that implies an additional ability, and Godfather powers are quite useful to scum. I would imagine that capt. h would be more likely to just let himself die for the sake of the team, unless his role was somehow even more ridiculous or the team is incompetent.
PX is at L-4Is this a mistake or not?
Lambda, I do not want to lynch you because you flew off the handle. I want to lynch you because I think you are scum, and I think your flying off the handle was a deliberate distraction from your scummy play.
Anyway, I reread PX's contributions this game, and I think I know why he's always obvscum - it's because he's getting worse with every game.Quote
So someone else finally realized it. :V
Hmm, actually, it might be worth waiting for Chaore's cases before we lynch PX. However, he doesn't seem to be around, sooo. @_@
His question to me about "Why would scum attack millers?" is something I HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED. His insistance on me being scum because "I have not answered him" is completely scum motivated.
With that I guess other than the cases on Edible and LLD possibly bumping up the list, I'm still iffy on PX, the low content I guess can be considered for his condition in the magical world of ~Real Life~ but still it gives me a bad aftertaste to leave that tiny bump over the track path that is the foundation for which this game as a train travels BVI'm sorry, can you clarify what this means? I know what it sounds like you're saying, but I'd like it repeated in normal words.
Edible, well, he's given info and points, but differently, and LLD just has been quite the shock to my scale as most of what LLD has done has just been absurd, either way I still don't feel like getting off of this wagon on PX for the most part of that even if PX may end up being town, it's a decent hole in the ground that is the liability of town players.Are you saying you're only voting PX because you think he's a liability? And you want to vote LLD for being a town liability? Your two highest scum picks are the two wagons for reasons other then because you think they're scum?
going with the trendsAnthy --> :flamingv: <-- Shadoweh
So yea, part gut, part efficiency, part looking at everyone else and a little personal research, a man alone is not an island, so why stick myself out on something that really isn't the main point of town discussion? I mean for reasons other than trying to point someone out as scum or such.You answered your own question. Who cares who town is discussing if you don't agree with them? You press for who you think is scum. You don't follow trends and get lost in the crowd. Each individual Townie must forge their own path for JUSTICE!
Also for speculations' sake, what if LLD flips scum? Would this clear any suspicion of Edible? this question goes out to anyone who has a vote on him. And likewise for incase Edible flips scum, would that clear LLD? :VEdible (2): LLD, Shadoweh <--- So you're asking me? Yes, if LLD flips scum Edible would be clear. I would also quote my role pm in the thread and get banned from Mafia. Good thing that isn't going to happen!
Someday people will stop just pushing along every easy derp they see and look at the difficult choices.I resent this mentality because I actually, you know, took a look at Edible and PX and decided PX was the scummier of the two. His "easiness" had nothing to do with it. Seriously, saying shit like that comes off like you're being somewhat patronizing.
Reasons you should be lynching Edible (Now with 75% lesstemporaryinsanity!)
1. For someone who likes to accuse people of "Gotcha Games", he sure likes to attack scum slips a LOT.
For example, see this vote on ActionDan. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg646676.html#msg646676)
Edible likes to avoid doing any REAL scumhunting, by attacking people's rhetoric and calling it scummy. He then proceeds to follow it up with stating that he finds them to be in "scum intent", but never actually shows any of his intent reads.
This (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg646731.html#msg646731) post outlining his "case" on me is quite telling of his intentions. He talks only about these traps I laid, and says they have "scum intent". Yet again, he does not EXPLAIN the scum intent in any meaningful way.
The best part is when in his next post, he says that what I was doing was contended among players enough to be a null read. He basically admits to seeing town players do it as often as scum.
2. Edibleh has a very nice connection to Schezo!scum
Seen in this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg647773.html#msg647773), Edible gives some credence to a Schezo case, but also tries to downplay it by insisting that being "derpscum is Schezo's Meta". Meta arguments like these are PERFECT for scum, because:
1) They are believed, and thus very effective
2) Most people won't challenge them
So it's a very subtle way for one scum to try and derail the other's wagon. It didn't work in the end, but this is something to note.
Edible's interactions with Schezo that day do not lend to him being town.
Moar Evidence: Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg648320.html#msg648320) can be found the post where Edible distances himself from a hopeless cause in the Schezo wagon. He tried to appear slightly town by questioning some of the people who hopped on the wagon, but for the most part he concedes it as a lost cause.
The most telling thing in this post is how Edible says he would "like to see Schezo lynched", but never actually votes him. At this point he is still holding out some glimmer of hope that Schezo might pull a miracle. When nothing comes, Edible promises his hammer later on, but I go insane and freeze time...
^-^
Moar of Edible trying to save Schezo by pushing me (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg648795.html#msg648795), but notice how he keeps distancing himself with that little "or Schezo first" comment. It's very subtle, but it does give the impression that Edible wants Schezo lynched, without him ever having to come out and push the wagon. He's hoping it will stall.
3. YOU'RE SCUM! WHY? BECAUSE I SAID SO~
Edible's first real post after Schezo's lynch (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg650014.html#msg650014) is here, and in it you will notice that he claims to have had a "BIG LONG WINDED POST OF EPIC WRITTEN." and it is "TOO GOOD/RAGE FOR YOUR SOFT EYES".
In reality, this is an excuse by Edible to help push his lynch, without the hassle of writing the damn case. He can't give legit points that will stick, so he falls back on ol' reliable.
Mystery Scum Intent X.
You may be asking what this is, and I'll explain. It's when you say something is scummy, and your justification is "it has scum intent".
Well, ok. But what IS the intent? If you can so clearly see what the intent behind a post is, why aren't you sharing? Is it because you could potentially get refuted, or worse suspected for misrepresentation?
Edible was asked on MULTIPLE occasions to EXPLAIN the intent he was seeing. Not once has he done so.
4. MOAR RHETORIC ATTACKS
Uno (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg650605.html#msg650605)
Dos (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg650608.html#msg650608)
Tres (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg650621.html#msg650621)
Nothing in these posts ever explains why he sees me as scum. It only attacks me for the following:
A scum slip
"Flailing"
A quote from the mod, implying I was "trying to mislead town" because I was mistaken about a RULE.
ad-hom OMGUS (first off, both of these are null tells. Secondly, they are buzz words designed to garner a reaction and get people motivated to lynch someone)
"twisting his words" (In reality, it is he who twists mine in that post, as I pointed out after words. He misrepresents me by saying I never explained why scum would attack miller... when I did.)
AND THE COUP D'GRACE: He attacks me BECAUSE I WROTE DOWN THE WRONG NAME WHEN I WAS ACCUSING SOMEONE OF SOMETHING.
According to Edible, because I mistook Schezo for Serp... I was super busing Schezo with this misrepresentation.
Isn't he great folks? His whole case, and not a single "intent" read in the lot. For someone who claims to base their reads on intent, he doesn't seem to base his cases on them?
I think that's all for now. I thought I had a 5th point, but it now slips my mind. I'll make sure to get around to saying it if it comes back to me.
2) Whoever made that Vig Shot is a lovely person.You're welcome and I know I am. You can thank me for the lack of townie death today too, because I am just that awesome. Much more awesome then you. Your case was good but everything before that was not. The only reason you're alive is because I put my foot down. This is not an I told you so moment for you. I'd appreciate it if you take the time to look through both our scum before deciding who the straggler is.
You're welcome and I know I am. You can thank me for the lack of townie death today too, because I am just that awesome. Much more awesome then you. Your case was good but everything before that was not. The only reason you're alive is because I put my foot down. This is not an I told you so moment for you. I'd appreciate it if you take the time to look through both our scum before deciding who the straggler is.
Okay. Why is Anthy or Capt.h scum with Schezo and Edible?
I was on the fence of thinking Edible was scum or not thank you very much, also the page 21 situation was caused by my choice of thinking efficiency over anything else. To be frank I never really saw much to edible other than the point of him being focused on you LLD, it wasn't really something sticking out till the point of the massive flipout which made me think in the way of efficiency, and kinda why I treated edible's case on you as more of a thing to look at after PX being dead. Now excuse me while I go and re-read the entire thread while trying to keep up with what's going on now.
It should be noted that I would also want to see Edible fullclaim before Lambda (who hasn't claimed her entire role yet, we know this) does if it looks like the day comes down to him and Lambda as the main targets, provided that Lambda does not interfere with this and block out the possibility of my intended scenario.I did indeed crumb my rolename.
Omba (0)Huh, what?
I heard news of something really lame.
I shot capt. h.
I was supposed to be able to bring him back as a treestump once I got a couple of points after killing him.
But mod error and now that's impossible.
So, yeah, my shot turned from a vig followed by resurrection into nothing but a vig.
Sorry guys. :/
I'm going to regain my sanity elsewhere for a while.
THAT'S OUR DURRMIO! :VDormio, you get to answer what everyone else has asked. Also Lambda please don't stop time. There is not going to be a scum kill. I eated it. It was delicious.
Dormio, you get to answer what everyone else has asked. Also Lambda please don't stop time. There is not going to be a scum kill. I eated it. It was delicious.
What. What do you mean you can't explain?Beep boop words work how?.
Will you ever be able to bring him back?nope.avi
Why didn't you shoot Chaore or Anthy?Because I am the strongest.
What is the time frame in which you can bring someone back from your super kill?When I can perform my next kill.
The lack of reads at this point is mostly cause I was thinking that PX was potentially scum and that Edible was probably town, which was somewhat jarring and more of a wakeup call to the fact that everything I knew was wrong, and yes I have been inconsistent mostly for the fact that I've been realizing that I've been fucking up.Welcome to Mafia, where all you need to understand is everything you know is wrong! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qits3nn73ks) You get used to the feeling.
@shadoweh I'm the town badass, my power requires 100 points, which I get 10 per day, and it makes me untouchable, as in all actions that target me instantly fail.Huh. This is actually pretty easy to prove. We already killed the Godfather, I don't see another scum having a power like this. huh what and I can test this tonight to see if it's valid. Otherwise nope, this doesn't appear to be the right wagon! Keep looking guys! You're doing great! ^_^b
Otherwise nope, this doesn't appear to be the right wagon! Keep looking guys! You're doing great! ^_^b[B}##Vote Shadoweh[/B]
Yeah I know, we wouldn't want you to activate it yet anyways. And you can only use it on yourself?
Yeah, so I think it'll be worth it to look at other suspects. Who were your other two suspects yesterday and why? Do you have any other suspicions right now on who is the scum?
Affinity hasn't said much, but an odd thing I've noticed is that he was in support for a capt. h lynch alongside the schezo lynch, which is somewhat possible for how they were acting at the time here then not even mentioning him when talking about PX as a possible secondary lynch candidate here. I guess I could say he's giving me the same feeling as edible, being persistent, though staying safe with not as much posting, and not going radical on much, though he differs with the capt. h case then switching off to what everyone else was focusing on, that being a PX lynch, I may have been doing some of the same stuff, but it still grates at me, hypocrite or not Affinity isn't off the list.
Dormio, why didn't you shoot Lambda yesterday?Because I couldn't.
Because I couldn't.No, that doesn't make sense. You've claimed you have two actions, one being a vig, the second to turn your vig target into a tree stump. You gained a total of ten points between when the lynch happened and when the vig happened. You have to have had enough points to vig on Day 8.
@shadoweh: Funny thing, I never unvoted after Anthony's role claim. Also a funny thing, I have -still- been referring to Dormio as second to Anthony.Oh, so you didn't. That makes me dislike your post even more. You agreed with me about his roleclaim not making sense for scum and outright state you don't believe (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg653172.html#msg653172) Dormio's claim. Your post was before Affinity voted for Dormio. Why wouldn't you be the one voting him right now?
I do not see where I say Affinity over Anthony, merely I still have misgivings about his play, in the post you linkedCorrect. You do not state Affinity over Anthy. You merely start today with a huge case on Anthy, then state that your feelings about Affinity's play haven't really changed. I do not understand what about Affinity improved for you. Please point out to me where this happened.
Your entire case -really- reads as more 'I'm irked about Chaore he is clearly SCUM'. Just because you're confirmed pretty much town doesn't mean you should stop properly scumhunting, Shadoweh. :/No, but I'm told that's my regular MO. You 'irk' me the least out of the living players. Sadly that doesn't decrease your chances of being scum.
Basically, my thought process for that vig.
*Send in pre-kill on LSD*
*Pre-sent kill fails because I messed up the PM*
*Skim through topic*
"Oh my God what is this."
"Thank God the kill didn't go through."
*Be confused as Shadoweh and LSD are pretty much confirmed town*
*Shoot capt. h because I still didn't like him*
Yes, it was pretty terrible. Yes, I am impatient and especially so after having just got out of bed. Whatever.
EBWOM: I forgot to add I am totally napping right now and will reply to any questions about why I'm attacking everyone's town read later. More questions from everyone, for everyone! We're still alive, seize the day and search for the last mafioso! :3 We still have about 36 hours until we should lynch again.
Cut by Lambda: Oh you're just saying that because he wanted to kill you. Which is entirely consistent with yesterday. I'll let Dormio defend his own choices though, which he should.
Oh, so you didn't. That makes me dislike your post even more. You agreed with me about his roleclaim not making sense for scum and outright state you don't believe (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg653172.html#msg653172) Dormio's claim. Your post was before Affinity voted for Dormio. Why wouldn't you be the one voting him right now?Mostly because her claim isn't proven, and I was still thinking it over at that time. I probably would go for the unvote to Dormio -now-, but around then I was still puzzling that out because her claim is honestly a bit of a thing. I want it proven before I even bother trying to guess what UK was thinking with that role. I'm not unvoting now mostly because the gesture is futile and is one of saying I have completely dropped the case. I don't want mistakes that Anthony is now confirmed town being made, and my vote would like to be a symbol of that.
Correct. You do not state Affinity over Anthy. You merely start today with a huge case on Anthy, then state that your feelings about Affinity's play haven't really changed. I do not understand what about Affinity improved for you. Please point out to me where this happened.Affinity was never a strong read for me, and the more misgivings I have tend to be matched by the misgivings others give, and then doubled. Safely put- Affinity has always been my third because he's always been that one in the back of the room that looks shifty and you want to say something about, but there is the guy literally stealing the keys to your car in front of your eyes so you focus on him. If you want to ask why Anthy got worse, I'd have to say it was continued posting making me more aware 'no that isn't just a replace in attitude, this is honestly what anthony is going to play like' and a second look at Zakeri to really realize he hadn't actually made a viable case his entire play like I thought (Funny because I know I read that 'so turns out your case really -was- paraphrased from Shadoweh' line a few times before without it clicking. Guess I am just a dumb rabbit).
No, but I'm told that's my regular MO. You 'irk' me the least out of the living players. Sadly that doesn't decrease your chances of being scum.I uh...if I understand this right, I 'irk' you the least, but... Wait, this is just you going after me because I have the same chance of being scum as everyone else and...what? i am a dumb rabbit can you explain this shadoweh witchcraft wordwork to me. >:
Nothing has really changed for me and I'll still probably be voting for Dormio by the end of the day, since I can't stand the power his roleclaim is exerting on my mind.Why? Ignore how derp he'd have to be to do this for a second. What part of it isn't believable to you? Is there something wrong with his kill targets as he's claimed them from his perspective?
Mostly because her claim isn't proven, and I was still thinking it over at that time. I probably would go for the unvote to Dormio -now-, but around then I was still puzzling that out because her claim is honestly a bit of a thing. I want it proven before I even bother trying to guess what UK was thinking with that role.Let's pretend it's true, because I highly doubt Zak would be so specific about it or that Anthy would give us something so easily disproven if it's wrong. What would you think about it then?
Affinity was never a strong read for me, and the more misgivings I have tend to be matched by the misgivings others give, and then doubled.This sounds like your reasoning for not suspecting Affinity is because no one else suspects him. Is this true?
I uh...if I understand this right, I 'irk' you the least, but... Wait, this is just you going after me because I have the same chance of being scum as everyone else and...what? i am a dumb rabbit can you explain this shadoweh witchcraft wordwork to me. >:I'm saying that I like you~ But that you could still be scum~ And no matter how much I like you~ It doesn't change that Dan tried to misdirect us off the Schezo wagon~ and agreed with a townie that was about to die with the incorrect parts of his posts~ (I'm pretty sure Serp died so he wouldn't follow up Edible after.) What I really want is your claim, but that's mostly because I'm curious what else is out there.
LLD well what's Your opinion on Chaore vs Dormio vote?
Also shadoweh, apparently day 1 doesn't count for points so I only got 90 now, not 100.
I... I think I need some time to absorb how completely absurb that claim is. I.. what?
First of all, Dan didn't just want to no-lynch, he wanted to lynch a non-player in the first 24 hours. Unless he got points per lynch that wouldn't make sense.
Secondly, you're saying he.. seriously.. seriously.. tried to push a lynch.. on capt.h instead of Schezo.. when Schezo claimed his own role.
Okay, so, ah, what do you think of Anthy's role now that you've revealed what yours is?
Supposing And Providing That You Do Own A Backyard, And You Have Memory That Functions As NormalI have neither of those things. :(
So, to reiterate, why did you think it was fine to put Cutey Anthy to L-1 so quickly?
And do you have anything against me other than my claim?
Also, considering how half the people have claimed, isn't it better to just massclaim at this point?
I don't think the game would've ended, but I would've put us in a terrible situation, and it didn't occur to me at that time that could happen.>_> Why not?
>_> Why not?
No, I mean, don't you think Anthy is scum? Why wouldn't the game end with lynching him?
Friendly Hydralic Flipping!I don't think we should wait for the day to end before lynching.
That is -not- half.I study statistics and I'm pretty sure that 6/7 is half.
I study statistics and I'm pretty sure that 6/7 is half.You fail at math, and no, we have 7 hours until Day 12 begins. We don't have 7 hours before it's been 72 hours since the last lynch. I see no flaw in cautiously lynching two hours early to avoid testing that.
And shouldn't we have 7 hours?
I study statistics and I'm pretty sure that 6/7 is half.
Questions for Cutey Anthy!
First post/vote was really weird. Did you have any reason to vote for LSD other than the whole miller mess in the first lynch cycle and for using a power?
Like Chaore and ActionDan, you can't see any reason for what Zakeri did whatsoever?
What's with all your fencesitting?
And shouldn't we have 7 hours?
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Game's over, town wins. You guys are jerks.
You're so cute when you're angry :V
I will break your goddamn face. Stop calling me cute, fuxdamnit.
Serious awards
Hon. Scum: LLD
Scum MVP: Chaore
Only Sane Townie: capth
Captain Bandwagon: Shadoweh
Wasn't Serp saner than capt. h?
Then again, he drew the first scum kill with like 3 posts, so there's not a lot of material to work with.
Also, Chaore, there was no way I would have let you live even if it wasn't for Shadoweh's role. Or at least I'd like to think that, I tend to be a lot more terrible than I believe I am.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2q3pxl5.jpg)
Serious awards
Hon. Scum: LLD
Scum MVP: Chaore
Only Sane Townie: capth
Captain Bandwagon: Shadoweh
Fux you too! I'm not a tsundere. Least of all a loli. Fuxdamnit I hate you.
Also, Chaore, there was no way I would have let you live even if it wasn't for Shadoweh's role. Or at least I'd like to think that, I tend to be a lot more terrible than I believe I am.
Scum MVP Chaore
I will try to, it was just impossible to avoid at the time. Since then things have actually started to go my way.
As for the scum-gameplan: I was thinking that the best bet would have been shotting HW, then mislynching Affinity the next day. Then killing LLD, to make a lylo with Shadoweh, Dormio, Chaore. When Shadoweh said to everyone that Anthy performed an action, I thought she was lying.
My strategy was terrible, and a big regret. as a first time Scum I thought it would be stellar to play hyper-agressively (except I never expected that I wouldn't have the time to do so OTZ).
Would it be possible to post Shadoweh's entire role PM so I can stare at the imba-ness of said role?
Shadoweh is evolving into a Pesco-esque player, in which her insight is excellent but her ability to push a case needs work.I will be so happy if someone draws a Kyuubei in Yuka's pajamas outfit.
Fun fact: Shadoweh also got to have her scum lunch.
;_;
Steal her? He can have her. How many times do I have to say it to get through to your thick skulls?
I don't love Shadoweh at all! In fact, I hate her and would rather someone take her as far away from me as possible!
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2q3pxl5.jpg)
I'm not a tsundere okay.
When are you gonna show Shadoweh the pic of yourself in a suit and steal her from Bard?Let me guess, you mean this one?
:V
Welp. That was interesting.
Incidentally, LLD, why did you claim miller?
Editspoiler: i am not really working on the case beyond rereading and instead listening to nanaya's bmw theme and reading LPs. i am sorry if you trusted me shadoweh. >:>:<
Really I've got a -lot- of town support, I'm...actually certain this is why she's voting me actually. Shadoweh you are a crazy, crazy, woman.If you look at my past games this is entirely true. I am a stupid for throwing my logic out the window for believing your doctor claim because you targetted me with it. And yes, that really is how I play, mixed with a bit of me trying to channel the invisible K4U QT in trying to dissect motives. Dormio's claim was scummy. But it was consistent with his play. THAT'S OUR DURRMIO!
I agree that Chaore did a good job of making the best out of a bad situation, honestly. He should totally play more.
At that, if I started playing more games the 100% record for me and K4U being on the other side could stop being true!Seriously. The fact that it was HIM replacing him and I had already flipped town should have made him confirmed scum! :V
It's kind of like that. capt.h lives in a world of logic. He wants everyone's actions to make logical sense and doesn't understand emotions very well.
Playing mafia is not exactly healthy for me due to my nature, and I end up staying late just -waiting for people to say things-. No big game changes, just, new posts to read.See, I used to consider dropping out of mafia because I had this problem, but then I realized I did the same thing while spectating games anyway. :V
Playing mafia is not exactly healthy for me due to my nature, and I end up staying late just -waiting for people to say things-. No big game changes, just, new posts to read.
Well, it's true that I completely ignore emotions in my cases.
How DO you argue using emotion-based evidence? And how do you tell a scummy responce from a town one?
Well, it's true that I completely ignore emotions in my cases.
How do you argue using emotion-based evidence? And how do you tell a scummy response from a town one?
Well, it's true that I completely ignore emotions in my cases.
How DO you argue using emotion-based evidence? And how do you tell a scummy response from a town one?
You say that
...But deep deep down, you really do love us.
What's "emotion-based evidence"?
I demand evidence to support the claim that "I love you guys deep down".
Would you be here if you didn't?
Good game.
AND I REALLY COULD BRING BACK TREESTUMPS DAMN IT.
IT'S JUST THAT capt. h WAS GIVEN THE GRAVEYARD, ERGO, NO RESURRECTION.
Hourai captured my reasons for existing here quite poetically. It's like that cheap breakfast cerial you buy to save some money, and then for some inexplicable reason you eat it every day, though the taste is old, stale and musty.
Emotion-based evidence is really the only evidence I use. I do pay some attention to role shenanigans, but not as much as some people I think. This is why I say what they do isn't nearly as important as why they do it. Because Townies Are Weird and reading people based on the inevitably weird actions they do will lynch more town than scum simply because there are more townies and because townies are more likely to be incredibly confused.
What to look for is simply asking yourself why they did things. I'll use your claim as an example because I think you could have claimed any role and I still would have cleared you. You claimed because you wanted to avoid being lynched yes, but you claimed at a time that would give town time to decide on someone else (rather than panic), you were exceptionally clear in it and the entire thing just read like trying To Get Stuff Out There in case you did get lynched. In other words, the motivation behind the claim was very clearly townie.
It's kind of like that. Some things are easier to read than others, and all things get easier to read with more experience.
You should be fine so long as you stop thinking that all actions taken are well-thought out measures followed in order to reach Ultimate Plan X. Not all people are crafty buggers with ulterior motives who have complete control over all their actions - in fact, I'd argue no one can ever be in complete control of a situation.
I kept chuckling as I read your QT where you claimed LLD was using Refuge In Audacity like I was. I never intentionally did so, and it seemed much less convoluted to assume LLD was being sincerely upset and frustrated.
Some actions are, indeed, the result of a logical reasoning to achieve a certain goal while satisfying a number of conditions. But not everything is. Keep an open mind, and try to consider why they would be doing what they did. Try to empathise and sympathise, then argue why what they do is not in line with their regular behaviour, or why it doesn't feel sincere.
It's less of a complicated art than it sounds, but understanding people helps a lot. This is why I am not that good at these sort of games, people mystify and confuse me.
Well, it's true that I completely ignore emotions in my cases.I don't think this question has a straight answer. Rather then calling it emotion-based, it would be better to call it reading for intent, and for motives. For example, Dormio. His vig claim made sense when you took into account he'd been crumbing wanting to vig Lambda since day 1, and he said he wanted to see Lambda's flip anyways on Day 8. He wouldn't expect SHOCKING REVELATIONS to suddenly make Lambda obvtown. His other suspect all game had been capt.h. Dormio gets easily confused with role shenanigans, so fumbling with his claim was expected. Scum Dormio would have shot me because Dormio is a jerk. Serial Killer Dormio wouldn't have leaked his role at all. Therefore, his motives and stumbling play come out townie.
How do you argue using emotion-based evidence? And how do you tell a scummy response from a town one?
Shadoweh, you haven't seen me get pissed off at anti-town play before this game. Few players earn my ire like severely anti-town players. This type of player is a distraction to me as I feel they're better off out of the game, regardless of alignment, because even though I'm aware you can be both anti-town and not aligned with scum, it doesn't mean I'm willing to put up with your shit. Legends are written of my anti-wrathie bias.
I've made this statement in a few places, and I'll make it here too - my case on Lambda would have happened regardless of my alignment.
Serp not being tremendously obvtown scumslayer extraordinaire on D1 means he's scumslayer extraordinaire with a powerful role. I'm very afraid of him and it's why I had him killed first off. :<
I thought Serp was pretty obvtown, despite it all.Serp was obvtown. He needs to learn how to not get shot in the face Night 1 more often. >.>
Zak's meta is dying before D2 and then later dying a second time, not just dying N1.
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Welcome to Jojo's Bizarre Mafia, PLAYERNAME. You are Diavolo, Townie Time Eater. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Stand: You have a Stand named King Crimson
Points: You start the game with 0 points. Every Game Day that passes, you gain 10 points.
One More Red Nightmare: Whenever you would be targetted by an ability, you lose 15 points. You learn the name of the person that targetted you and roleblock them. If you do not have 15 points, this ability does not activate.
Active Abilities:
Rewind (40 Points): If a player is roleblocked by One More Red Nightmare, you may activate this ability within one Game Day of roleblocking them. If you do, the 10 second period in which you were targetted is completely erased, and the player that targetted you is killed. Kill method is Erased.
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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Welcome to Jojo's Bizarre Mafia, PLAYERNAME. You are Dio Brando, Town Time Stopper. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Stand: You have a Stand named The World
Points: You start the game with 0 points. Every Game Day that passes, you gain 10 points.
I, Dio: To use any of your active abilities, you must declare them in bold in thread. This is in addition to submitting the action to the game moderator (i.e., if you use ZA WARUDO, you need to post ZA WARUDO in thread to activate it. No double octothorpe required)
Active Abilities:
Toki Wo Tomare (30 Points): Time stops for 1/2 of a Game Day. (Time period does not count for any time based point gain, all ability resolution or activation is delayed until after this time period)
ZA WARUDO (50 points): Time stops for 1 Game Day.
ROAD ROLLER (80 points): Time stops for 2 Game Days.
WRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYY (120 points): Time stops for 3 Game Days.
Dio's World (200 points): Time stops for 5 Game Days.
Soshite, toki wa ugokidasu (0 Points): All time stopping effects initiated by you are ended.
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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Welcome to Jojo's Bizarre Mafia, PLAYERNAME. You are Joseph Joestar, Town Badass. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Stand: You have a Stand named Purple Hermit
Points: You start the game with 0 points. Every Game Day that passes, you gain 10 points.
Active Abilities:[/i
Vinefield (100 points): You gain the passive ability Untouchable for the next four Game Days.
Untouchable (Passive): All actions targetting you fail.
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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Welcome to Jojo's Bizarre Mafia, PLAYERNAME. You are Robert E.O. Speedwagon, Town Interfering Roleblocker. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Points: You start the game with 0 points. Every Game Day that passes, you gain 10 points.
Did I Get In The Way?: If your roleblock prevents a kill, you block the kill and die instead.
Active Abilities:
Interfering Speedwagon (30 Points): You roleblock target player.
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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Welcome to Jojo's Bizarre Mafia, PLAYERNAME. You are Giorno Giovana, Town Endless Vigilante. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Stand: You have a Stand named Gold Experience
Points: You start the game with 0 points. Every Game Day that passes, you gain 10 points.
Single Requiem: You can only Endless Vig one person at a time. If you choose another Endless Vig, the first target is revived as a treestump.
Active Abilities:
Requiem (80 Points): You kill target player. Target player continually dies.
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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Welcome to Jojo's Bizarre Mafia, PLAYERNAME. You are Rudolf Von Stroheim, Townie Nazi Army Knife. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Points: You start the game with 0 points. Every Game Day that passes, you gain 10 points.
Active Abilities:
Secret Nazi Database (150 Points): Investigate target player.
Lockdown (125 Points): Roleblock all players for the next 4 Game Days.
Full Metal Body (100 Points): Protect target player for the next 4 Game Days.
Tough As Nails (85 Points): If you would be killed during the next 4 Game Days, you instead come back as a treestump.
Efficient Messenger (50 Points): You may send an anonymous message to target player through the mod.
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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Welcome to Jojo's Bizarre Mafia, PLAYERNAME. You are Hol Horse, Town Neighborizer. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Stand: You have a Stand named Emperor
Points: You start the game with 0 points. Every Game Day that passes, you gain 10 points.
Active Abilities:
A Partnership of Necessity (50 Points): Target player becomes a Neighbor to you. You will be able to talk in a QT at any time.
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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Welcome to Jojo's Bizarre Mafia, PLAYERNAME. You are Polnareff, Townie Stand User. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Stand: You have a Stand named Silver Chariot
Points: You start the game with 0 points. Every Game Day that passes, you gain 10 points.
Active Abilities:
You have no active abilities
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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Welcome to Jojo's Bizarre Mafia, PLAYERNAME. You are Jotaro Joestar, Informed Townie. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Stand: You have a Stand named Star Platinum
Points: You start the game with 0 points. Every Game Day that passes, you gain 10 points.
Pursuit: You know that ZA WARUDO is an ability in this game, and that Dio Brando holds it.
Active Abilities:
You have no active abilities
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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Welcome to Jojo's Bizarre Mafia, PLAYERNAME. You are Funny Valentine, Town Governor. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Stand: You have a Stand named Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
Points: You start the game with 0 points. Every Game Day that passes, you gain 10 points.
Active Abilities:
Presidential Pardon (30 Points): You prevent target player's lynch for the next 3 Game Days.
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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Welcome to Jojo's Bizarre Mafia, PLAYERNAME. You are Enrico Pucci, Mafia Accelerator. You have the following abilities:
Factional Abilities
Buddies!: You are in the Mafia with PLAYERNAME, Josuke Higashikata, and PLAYERNAME, Yoshikage Kira You may talk to each other at anytime in this quicktopic (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php???)
Mafia Kill: You can execute the Mafia kill by targetting a player at night. Your kill method is "Shanked"
Mafia Falseclaim: At any time during the game, as many times as you want, you may send me a character name and a list of abilities and I will construct a fake role PM for you.
Passive Abilities:
Stand: You have a Stand named Stairway to Heaven
Points: You start the game with 0 points. Every Game Day that passes, you gain 10 points.
Active Abilities:
Accelerate (10 Points): You reduce the Game Day by 30 Life Minutes (i.e., if the Game Day is 24 Life Hours, you reduce it to 23.5 Life Hours)
Disc Extraction (30 Points): You demoralize a player for the next 4 Game Days. (Demoralize effectively makes someone vanilla for the duration of the ability).
Win Condition (Mafia): You win when the mafia controls more than 50% of the votes
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Welcome to Jojo's Bizarre Mafia, PLAYERNAME. You are Josuke Higashikata, Mafia Doctor. You have the following abilities:
Factional Abilities
Buddies!: You are in the Mafia with PLAYERNAME, Enrico Pucci, and PLAYERNAME, Yoshikage Kira You may talk to each other at anytime in this quicktopic (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php???)
Mafia Kill: You can execute the Mafia kill by targetting a player at night. Your kill method is "Shot"
Mafia Falseclaim: At any time during the game, as many times as you want, you may send me a character name and a list of abilities and I will construct a fake role PM for you.
Passive Abilities:
Stand: You have a Stand named Crazy Diamond
Points: You start the game with 0 points. Every Game Day that passes, you gain 10 points.
Active Abilities:
Protect (50 Points): Protect Target Player for the next 4 game days.
Protect Everyone (150 Points): Protect all Players for the next 4 game days.
Win Condition (Mafia): You win when the mafia controls more than 50% of the votes
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Welcome to Jojo's Bizarre Mafia, PLAYERNAME. You are Yoshikage Kira, Mafia Repeater Godfather. You have the following abilities:
Factional Abilities
Buddies!: You are in the Mafia with PLAYERNAME, Enrico Pucci, and PLAYERNAME, Josuke Higashikata You may talk to each other at anytime in this quicktopic (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php???)
Mafia Kill: You can execute the Mafia kill by targetting a player at night. Your kill method is "Burned"
Mafia Falseclaim: At any time during the game, as many times as you want, you may send me a character name and a list of abilities and I will construct a fake role PM for you.
Passive Abilities:
Stand: You have a Stand named Killer Queen
Points: You start the game with 0 points. Every Game Day that passes, you gain 10 points.
Active Abilities:
Another One Bites The Dust (100 Points): Once per game, if you would be lynched or killed in the next 4 Game Days after you use this ability, instead the day/night phase restarts without your death.
Reach Out And ##Touch Someone (50 Points): Target player becomes a bomb for the next 4 Game Days. This ability resolves 1 Game Day after activation
Win Condition (Mafia): You win when the mafia controls more than 50% of the votes