Author Topic: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: GAME OVER, ROLES WIN!  (Read 47705 times)

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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #570 on: June 08, 2011, 06:47:03 PM »
Oh hey I lied.
Huh whatty, Edible is just as connected to the No-lynch (because that's what happened Day 3 ) as anyone on capt.h's wagon. He was here, he voiced dislike of the capt.h wagon, he voiced a possible scum suspicion of Schezo, his vote was on neither. I would be willing to switch to Action Chaore if I had to, but I'd appreciate if you consider what I'm saying first. Then we can skip into the sunset together psychic gazing each other. <3


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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #571 on: June 08, 2011, 06:57:36 PM »
Well.

I took a closer look at Edible's history, and it actually doesn't seem to me like he was supporting the Schezo wagon. The only pre-"vig" post from him that I can find about Schezo is his #237 doesn't seem to have very much conviction about scum!Schezo at all and even seems a little like fence-sitting. There's no clear opinion, so I could even go as far to say it seems like Edible was cheerleading Schezo while keeping the vote on Lambda.

With that in mind, I'm not really as opposed to an Edible lynch as I initially thought. I would definitely prefer him over Lambda, actually. Still, I don't think he's as notably bad Dan/Chaore and Dormio, and I'm not reading his Lambda tunneling as particularly scummy, just the weird stance on Schezo.

Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #572 on: June 08, 2011, 07:05:38 PM »
For clarity: I would be willing to switch to Edible if it meant getting him lynched over Lambda (and possibly PX too?), but I don't think he actually looks worse than ActionChaore and Dormio right now.

It should be noted that I would also want to see Edible fullclaim before Lambda (who hasn't claimed her entire role yet, we know this) does if it looks like the day comes down to him and Lambda as the main targets, provided that Lambda does not interfere with this and block out the possibility of my intended scenario. I can't say I exactly expect him to follow through with this, though, and I don't feel comfortable elaborating on why just yet.

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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #573 on: June 08, 2011, 07:13:49 PM »
Lambda is on V/LA until after we need to lynch someone (Today, btw, or we go over the 72 hour mark.) We can't force her to roleclaim if she's not here. I hope that explains half my flipout. I'm basically forced to prove she's town because she isn't going to be here to do it for us. For what it's worth I would fake a cop check if I could I am so damn sure.


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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #574 on: June 08, 2011, 07:16:42 PM »
Oh, we need a lynch today?

I'd definitely rather see Edible or PX gone over Lambda, since they have scummier ties to Schezo in my opinion. I'll have to re-read PX to decide, though.

Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #575 on: June 08, 2011, 07:20:35 PM »
Wait, the mod said the day ends on Thursday, not today. @_@

Is there a bunch of Weird Time Shit going on tha I'm confused about or is just timezone differences? I'm in California, so it's still Wednesday here.

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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #576 on: June 08, 2011, 07:23:43 PM »
We don't need it right this minute, but preferrably it should happen before Day 9 begins, so before 1pm EDT Thursday. No, you've got it right. Kitten4u died here a few hours after Day 6 began. It's definitely consolidation time for people.


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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #577 on: June 08, 2011, 07:28:52 PM »
Noted. I'm under the impression scum is using the kill times as a method of fucking around with us, though, since it would fit their agenda quite well.

Going to re-read PX now.

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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #578 on: June 08, 2011, 08:21:59 PM »
@Shadoweh: Frankly standing from where I am, I don't know what Action Dan was properly thinking with his case on you- I think he got some terrible feeling about you and was unable to shake it using logic, and given this came from an OMGUS of all things, I have no idea why. Perhaps he was too afraid of a good player being scum to use his head, but his case on you was terrible and I feel the only reason he stuck with it was because he was afraid of being right.

Schezo and Captain H, sadly, I -do- know what he is thinking but wording it is very difficult to do. Action Dan reads of constantly not having time to get on and actually play, and I think this is the only reason he briefly considers Capt. H the worse of the two. While his switch to Schezo was both abrupt and with a poor case, I think that's probably because he had trouble wording his suspicion much like I do explaining why he did this. But I mostly believe he was rushed and couldn't properly make the cases he should've when he did- Which led to him VERY messily and poorly handling the situation.

Oh and apparently he had an Oomba case. I'm not able to decipher what he was trying to say there though but I certainly don't agree with it, and since it was early I think it was a case of him stumbling and further inability to actually play and catch up with what is going on. I...normally have to say honestly, Action Dan should've replaced out much earlier but I think he wanted to at least try and play, and I can respect that.

As for my top three picks-

I don't really think I can honestly explain why PX is bad any better than I have, but here I go. His first action on D1 is to...not have a day one, easily explaining why I feel he's worse than Dormio. Dormio at least had a D1, showing actual effort and getting into a messy situation and got into the wagon, while PX decided to wait till D2 to even place a proper vote. His later response to questions has him claiming he finds not only both Dormio and Capt. H scummy (Despite voting Dormio BECAUSE HE'S VOTING CAPT. H) but pulling out that he doesn't like Schezo either, having never mentioned him before. To state, he was effectively not taking a side in the Capt. H and Schezo face off while pretending he was. He later claims a side... during the 'vig' shot, saying he totally wanted Schezo dead over Capt. H. This is notedly worse than anyone else's sudden switch because it happened right when PX seemed to think Schezo was dead and about to flip. He stick on it, but never elaborates his case more than his weak initial standing and then proceeds to waste the rest of his time contributing nothing new and trying to look active by claiming a useless role and offering himself for a governor lynch, at no harm to himself. He then opens up after Schezo's lynch...by pulling out a vote on a completely new target unrelated to his previous posts, still claiming he believes his D1 cases are scum despite all the new information, proving not only has he not changed his stance on ANYTHING SINCE EFFECTIVELY DAY 2, also hoping on a potentially easy target in the currently flailing Lambda with no explanation. He has then continued to lurk and not explain a thing. I do not particularly call serial lurking, easy targetting, not changing your opinion since Day 2, Effectively not explaining anything since Day 2, and reacting to an about to flip 'vig' on a scum player by saying you totally wanted them dead anyway, anything other than Scum play.

This post is getting long so I'm going to split my remaining two picks into another post, even though they're likely about to be much smaller paragraphs.

@cuts: Still prefer PX dead over Edible, but I do think he is also not looking great at the moment and I'd be fine with him dying.

Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #579 on: June 08, 2011, 08:45:50 PM »
Oh, Chaore's post simultaneously answers my questions about his PX opinions and pretty much covers everything suspicious I've noticed about PX myself. I see no real reason to parrot his case, so I'll just say that I pretty much agree and actually think PX is worse than Dormio now.

Additionally,  I would like to point out that in the midst of PX's active lurking, he said this...
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I prefer lynching Schezo ASAP just to test the limits of the killing roles, whether it activates every 3 days or after a kill.
...which actually goes along quite nicely with my hypothesis that want to use kill times to fuck with us. His suggestion would be further and a scummy agenda, AND, as a bonus, it is somewhat hypocritical when you consider that he already voted Dan for the following:

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ActionDan, you amuse me. Advocating, supporting, and leading a quick no lynch, Essentially saying to give scum a free kill. I think it warrants this.
The way he advocated lynching to give scum a kill despite admonishing it earlier looks like he was just using his reasons against Dan to sneak a vote on to the table, which is scummy. Even if Dan's methods would not lead to an actual kill like PX's would, they still had the same base of "hey, let's lynchrush somebody just for the sake of experimenting with game mechanics that scum could easily use to fool us!'. PX doesn't even have the excuse of having pushed a case against Schezo that was strong enough for him to want Schezo quicklynched, because as Chaore pointed out, PX's case on Schezo was minimalistic garbage.

##Unvote
##Vote PX

Seems like a better choice than Lambda and Edible to me. If we are indeed getting a lynch today, then I'd like to at least sort out Edible, Chaore and Dormio tomorrow (though I do not feel inclined to believe the latter two are buddies with PX, in the case that PX flips scum).

Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #580 on: June 08, 2011, 08:47:24 PM »
Also, for the unaware, PX is now at L-2, making him tied with Lambda.

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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY SEVEN!
« Reply #581 on: June 08, 2011, 08:51:32 PM »
Hydra? More Like A Behemoth Votecount, Rawr! (King of Beasts, bro, King of Beasts, that's me!)


Lady LambdaDelta (4): PX, Edible, Dormio, capt. h
Omba (0)
Anthony (0)
Chaore (0):
PX (4):  Affinity, Chaore, Anthony, huh what
capt.h (0)
Shadoweh (0)
Dormio (0)
Affinity (0)
Edible (2): LLD, Shadoweh

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Lady LambdaDelta is at L-2
PX is at L-2

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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #582 on: June 08, 2011, 08:58:27 PM »
I'd just like to point out the possibility that scum actually did get a kill when we entered D7 and the K4U kill was from Schezo's lynch, but they're currently withholding it and waiting for a chance to off two of our numbers at once.

Again, I'm fairly confident that scum is not going to intend to operate their kills on a regular schedule. If we learn how their kill mechanics work, we know what to expect, and orderliness hurts those like scum who thrive on chaos.

Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #583 on: June 08, 2011, 09:04:14 PM »
Also, I think that if anybody on Lambda's list of sacrifices to the blood god flip scum aside from her herself, she is most likely town-aligned. Offering up both remaining scum for lynch would take some serious balls, and I don't expect scum would attempt it outside of some insane gambit

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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #584 on: June 08, 2011, 09:05:17 PM »
I'd still like to see Chaore's other two scum picks. I think defending PX would leave a horrible taste in my mouth, and I've mentioned his play is reactionary at best. But when isn't PX scum? What do you two think of his claim if it's a scum claim? I'm not sure I'd believe they took a random guess that happened to be true.

On scum killing: I doubt they get to save up kills like that. I also doubt they'd wait an entire day to kill someone. My only current worry is the possibility of them getting another kill the moment Day 9 begins. We may never know how exactly it works until the game is over.


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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #585 on: June 08, 2011, 09:08:20 PM »
On scum killing: I doubt they get to save up kills like that.
I don't. I'm allowed to save up shots of my ability and use it on two+ people at once, so I don't see why scum can't. I'm under the impression their kills operate on a system similiar to the ability points system.

Also, I think it's really obvious that PX's claim could be chalked up to him being a Scum Rolecop if it were fake. That, and ZA WARUDO is pretty famous, so it would be fairly easy to predict.

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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #586 on: June 08, 2011, 09:24:49 PM »
I'd still like to see Chaore's other two scum picks. I think defending PX would leave a horrible taste in my mouth, and I've mentioned his play is reactionary at best. But when isn't PX scum? What do you two think of his claim if it's a scum claim? I'm not sure I'd believe they took a random guess that happened to be true.

Working on them at the moment m'am, don't worry I'm not about to leave you hanging. o7

PX isn't scum when he is killing cops, sadly enough.  And if you mean this game... I honestly can't see where he really isn't scum. His claim is odd, and I frankly find it a bit WIFOMy- I could however see Scum having a rolecop or perhaps coming with someone having that info, as knowing someone can foil your plans to draw the lynch out is something scum just MIGHT want to know. I honestly have trouble believing he is what he says he is, and i especially don't like how much of his play is simply padded out by his claim. It doesn't feel particularly trustworthy to me anyway- and it doesn't help his information helps scum more than town.

Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #587 on: June 08, 2011, 10:17:15 PM »
So, uh, where is everybody?

We have less than a day left until the soft deadline. I'd at least like to hear some concrete opinions on players who aren't Lamba.

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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY SEVEN!
« Reply #588 on: June 08, 2011, 10:31:10 PM »
capt.h: Yeah LLD didn't include one of her more recent games complete with rageposting since there's no meta to be found there. Lots of rage though. Mai wasn't better then this, you're missing a huge difference in attitude. Mai didn't care if we weren't listening to her, and was happy to float to blissful endgame. There's nothing floaty about Lambda.

Your case on me makes me giggle. I was third on the wagon against Dormio in BGoM because he was obvious lynch material. I had no reason to be third on Schezo as scum at that time, you were quite the viable counterwagon. This might shock you, but I voted Schezo to L +1 because there wasn't a recent votecount and I believe in vote-changing powers until there's proof otherwise. I did the same thing as Protoman. I'm happy I got kill Schezo again after all. :D If you look at where Kitten4u was voting, then at her role and what I've claimed she did with it, my change of opinion might make more sense to you.

I'm not sure how much clearer I have to be about this. Lambda is town. I will fight you all to the death on this. You are lynching her over my dead body.

Shadoweh, I don't want to lynch LLD simply because she's a terrible player and hasn't done anything productive. Her last words in the thread were that she wouldn't be around for deadline about 48 hours later, and she's deliberately avoiding giving reads on other people. She's ran away from anything that even resembles scum hunting.

The game you linked isn't over yet, and while she may not be scum in it, she hasn't been proven town. I also think she's using a refuge in audacity rather than being a bad player. Part of it is that quite a few of the players I've seen get a clear that are too scummy, too terrible, or have too much audacity to be scum, and get town clears for it, have flipped scum (see Bardiche from Zombie Apocalypse and LLD herself from last game). And part of it is that behind the sheer audacity of her bad plays she never seems to get around to scum hunting, but that's usually overshadowed by the sheer audacity of her bad plays.

And by the way, Action Dan was a perfectly viable counterwagon in balanced Game of Mafia. And blaming the inconsistencies in your play on kittens is just bad, no matter how cute they are. For one, it doesn't explain your day 1 inconsistencies, and two, you have a lot of flexibility when you can claim I wouldn't know because I wasn't in the loop.  Heck, you can blame just about anything away that way.



Anyway, I reread PX's contributions this game, and I think I know why he's always obvscum - it's because he's getting worse with every game. I used to be able to tell he was town because of the effort, but that seems to have been going down hill for a while now, right up until this game in which Zak looks like a chatter box in comparison. I'm not opposed to his lynch; even after factoring for the usual scumminess I can't read him one way or the other anymore. I don't consider him a priority though.

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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #589 on: June 08, 2011, 10:32:08 PM »
Well, personally, I still want to see LSD flip.
Because of what I said earlier and, to add to that, her disappearing act.
The first time she disappeared she just left, this time she gave us some warning, but that doesn't really make it any better.
roflcut by capt. h
Anyway, writing up another post.


PX isn't scum when he is killing cops, sadly enough.
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PX는 영원히 scum이잖아



PX isn't scum when he is killing cops, sadly enough.
What are you to say?
PX're scum forever

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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #590 on: June 09, 2011, 12:50:40 AM »
Capt. h, not to sound offensive, but do have any real points against me?
 
Let's examine your last post. It consists of three things. My "disappearance", being "bad" and "refuge in Audacity".
 
Please allow me to refute this. Firstly, I went pretty much insane about 24 hours ago, and am still not quite sure where my sanity lays. However, I digress. The point here is that people were basically begging me to stop, think and post real content.
 
So I stopped, thought, and realized that if I didn't step away I was on the path to self hammering as town.
 
You sound like you WANTED me to continue self destructing?
 
So that should cover my bad play and disappearance. Take it as you will, I needed to clear my head and stop thinking with my heart.
 
Here's the big problem I have with your post. It's not original. Did you just take one look at Edible's posts and copy them? It's basically the same arguments, down to the word  choice. You even copied his "refuge in audacity" argument, to the LETTER.
 
Not to mention that it's a ridiculous argument that is designed to fit me as scum. It's being argued based around the assumption that I am scum. It's "Lambda is scum, so she's using this" and NOT "Lambda is doing this, so she's scum" which is what it should be.
 
I'd be interesting in seeing if you had any original points to add, or a real case to offer. I'm not one who should be talking about real cases right now... but it doesn't mean you don't have to make them too.

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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #591 on: June 09, 2011, 01:02:00 AM »
My other post that was meant to happen several hours ago!

My opinion that Shadoweh has been weird this game hasn't changed.
"I think defending PX would leave a horrible taste in my mouth". Then, uh, why do it? As Bledibleh said earlier in the game, people are more than capable of defending themselves, and in addition to your "defend your scumpicks" thing, I think this is really, really off.
Also sure does love to get into setup speculation, but whatever.
Also, Shadoweh talks about general mafia interaction theory after having stated that it can't really be relied on?

Re: capt. h,
Nice fence-sit on LSD, bro.
Changed his opinion based on meta, claiming that LSD is better than how LSD is currently acting. At least his latest post has something resembling a case on LSD.
Cut by LSD :o
"My Omba case was an early day 1 case I dropped because I found several other players that I think are more likely to be scum."
So, uh, you mean exactly what you did with ActionDan when you were voting Omba earlier in the game?

Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #592 on: June 09, 2011, 01:06:18 AM »
LLD: Would you be willing to switch to PX if it meant getting a lynch that wasn't you today, or do you believe we should wait longer before lynching?

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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #593 on: June 09, 2011, 01:19:13 AM »
Reasons you should be lynching Edible (Now with 75% less temporary insanity!)
 
1. For someone who likes to accuse people of "Gotcha Games", he sure likes to attack scum slips a LOT.
 
For example, see this vote on ActionDan.
 
Edible likes to avoid doing any REAL scumhunting, by attacking people's rhetoric and calling it scummy. He then proceeds to follow it up with stating that he finds them to be in "scum intent", but never actually shows any of his intent reads.
 
This post outlining his "case" on me is quite telling of his intentions. He talks only about these traps I laid, and says they have "scum intent". Yet again, he does not EXPLAIN the scum intent in any meaningful way.
 
The best part is when in his next post, he says that what I was doing was contended among players enough to be a null read. He basically admits to seeing town players do it as often as scum.
 
2. Edibleh has a very nice connection to Schezo!scum
 
Seen in this post, Edible gives some credence to a Schezo case, but also tries to downplay it by insisting that being "derpscum is Schezo's Meta". Meta arguments like these are PERFECT for scum, because:
 
1) They are believed, and thus very effective
2) Most people won't challenge them
 
So it's a very subtle way for one scum to try and derail the other's wagon. It didn't work in the end, but this is something to note.
 
Edible's interactions with Schezo that day do not lend to him being town.
 
Moar Evidence: Here can be found the post where Edible distances himself from a hopeless cause in the Schezo wagon. He tried to appear slightly town by questioning some of the people who hopped on the wagon, but for the most part he concedes it as a lost cause.
 
The most telling thing in this post is how Edible says he would "like to see Schezo lynched", but never actually votes him. At this point he is still holding out some glimmer of hope that Schezo might pull a miracle. When nothing comes, Edible promises his hammer later on, but I go insane and freeze time...
 
^-^
 
Moar of Edible trying to save Schezo by pushing me, but notice how he keeps distancing himself with that little "or Schezo first" comment. It's very subtle, but it does give the impression that Edible wants Schezo lynched, without him ever having to come out and push the wagon. He's hoping it will stall.
 
3. YOU'RE SCUM! WHY? BECAUSE I SAID SO~
 
Edible's first real post after Schezo's lynch is here, and in it you will notice that he claims to have had a "BIG LONG WINDED POST OF EPIC WRITTEN." and it is "TOO GOOD/RAGE FOR YOUR SOFT EYES".
 
In reality, this is an excuse by Edible to help push his lynch, without the hassle of writing the damn case. He can't give legit points that will stick, so he falls back on ol' reliable.
 
Mystery Scum Intent X.
 
You may be asking what this is, and I'll explain. It's when you say something is scummy, and your justification is "it has scum intent".
 
Well, ok. But what IS the intent? If you can so clearly see what the intent behind a post is, why aren't you sharing? Is it because you could potentially get refuted, or worse suspected for misrepresentation?
 
Edible was asked on MULTIPLE occasions to EXPLAIN the intent he was seeing. Not once has he done so.
 
4. MOAR RHETORIC ATTACKS
 
Uno
Dos
Tres
 
Nothing in these posts ever explains why he sees me as scum. It only attacks me for the following:
 
A scum slip
"Flailing"
A quote from the mod, implying I was "trying to mislead town" because I was mistaken about a RULE.
ad-hom OMGUS (first off, both of these are null tells. Secondly, they are buzz words designed to garner a reaction and get people motivated to lynch someone)
"twisting his words" (In reality, it is he who twists mine in that post, as I pointed out after words. He misrepresents me by saying I never explained why scum would attack miller... when I did.)
 
AND THE COUP D'GRACE: He attacks me BECAUSE I WROTE DOWN THE WRONG NAME WHEN I WAS ACCUSING SOMEONE OF SOMETHING.
 
According to Edible, because I mistook Schezo for Serp... I was super busing Schezo with this misrepresentation.
 
Isn't he great folks? His whole case, and not a single "intent" read in the lot. For someone who claims to base their reads on intent, he doesn't seem to base his cases on them?
 
I think that's all for now. I thought I had a 5th point, but it now slips my mind. I'll make sure to get around to saying it if it comes back to me.
 


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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #594 on: June 09, 2011, 01:21:43 AM »
LLD: Would you be willing to switch to PX if it meant getting a lynch that wasn't you today, or do you believe we should wait longer before lynching?

Waiting is a bad idea. That's a big red X.
 
I need to re-read PX, though I have an idea of where I stand on him, and baring a sudden revelation of me seeing him as town, I would support his lynch.
 
I still want Edible dead though. The above case should show that quite nicely. ^-^

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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #595 on: June 09, 2011, 01:22:23 AM »
Oh, final note: To all you who said "LLD IS LURKING, NOT DOING ANYTHING LYNCH HER~~~~~"
 
I was writing that big ass wall post. Deal with it. :3

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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #596 on: June 09, 2011, 01:28:25 AM »
Well Lambda, you begin the game with a miller claim and tunnel on the first person to vote for you before disappearing when pressed for reads on other players. You come back and ask if it's plausible that scum would draw attention to themselves and the start lurking, to which I think the answer is yes, if the scum gambit didn't work out, that is exactly what I would think scum would do, rather than continue drawing attention to themselves and getting lynched. Furthermore, half your read on Schezo on day was based on his
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Why would scum attack millers?
question and subsequent response to your answer, which as Edible pointed out, is something Schezo never asked. In other words, your Schezo case is based on events that never happened. Your response when pressed for reads is to do anything but give them - in fact, your unvoted Schezo and froze the day, blatantly slowing Schezo's wagon, partially because of how Shadoweh pressed you for information, but also because you found PX being correct about your power and the fact that everyone thought Schezo was scum as suspicious. You immediately vote me without explaining your reasons besides not wanting to second guess yourself, and leaving us in the dark on your thought process. Then when pressed you get a little out there, and suggest we lynch half the players as quickly as possible without explaining what is scummy about them, say we should either lynch you or Edible and then lynch the other player if the first flips town, and when pressed for reads and thoughts again, you say you'll be gone until the lynch is over.

You've done nothing but throw town into chaos while going as far out of your way as possible to not explain your actions or tell us your reads, so I think you're scum.

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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #597 on: June 09, 2011, 01:34:41 AM »
You've done nothing but throw town into chaos while going as far out of your way as possible to not explain your actions or tell us your reads, so I think you're scum.

You haven't changed anything. Your argument still comes back to "We need to lynch Lambda because she flew off the handle".
 
Which, in all honesty, I find hard to see as town motivated.
 
What reason would town have for pushing somone based on that?
 
If it's on policy, I could see a townie doing it. But you have explicitly said you think it makes me SCUM. So that rules out THAT.
 
The only other option in my eyes is that you're scum pushing this lynch with the most inflammatory thing you could get your hands on, and that requires the least amount of effort.
 
I'm sorry, but I'm done self destructing for you. Find another reason why I'm scum, or move your vote somewhere more useful.

Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #598 on: June 09, 2011, 01:36:58 AM »
Lambda, if you're insinuating a potential scum!capt. h, then I'd like it if you responded to this:

Quote from: huhwhat
The case on capt. h honestly seems rather hard to buy into at this point, not only because Schezo was the counterwagon to capt. h, but also because I have a hard time believing that scum would rather bus their Godfather (who seemed to even have an additional ability) than whatever the theoretical scum!capt. h's role is, unless the theoretical scum!capt. h's role is extremely powerful. I would appreciate it if those currently attacking capt. h would elaborate on why they believe a scum!capt. h is valid given what we know about the scenario for scum that lead up to Schezo's lynch.

...since it seems that nobody who currently suspects capt. h really has.

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Re: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: DAY EIGHT!
« Reply #599 on: June 09, 2011, 01:38:57 AM »
Further, I'm noticing that you continue to attack me with that miller claim.
 
I think by now we've determined that the miller claim has been WIFOM'd into uselessness. Your attempt at still using it serves no purpose other than to try and get more inflammatory statements going.
 
In other words, you're baiting me. And it's not going to work twice.