MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Game Over, Town Win

[Ouja]

Who are we talking about, here? There's three options.

- We could policy lynch Sana for lack of participation or any particular content, acting basically as a reporter, since the 'lynch anything' tactic is statistically very much in favour of town-side given we have one essentially-confirmed town (Kilga, though I don't think we can 100% confirm anything outside of an investigation or flip, principally speaking). Slabes seems to think otherwise on this (Sana lynch), though.

-We could lynch Slaves for similar participation and lacklustre justifications; but his defense is doing more than base parroting or reporting.

-If you meant Pesco from D1, that's done and over with so I don't see how it matters.

1) and 2) If these are the only two living options in your mind, why aren't you voting either of them?
3) It's done and over with, but it absolutely matters that you did what you could yesterday to avoid mention of him at all, let alone voting him.

On a side note, your first point makes me want to RAGE a little more.
*"Policy lynch" doesn't mean what you think it means.
*Is Kilga more-or-less guaranteed Town or not?  (I still think that tell is a little dubious but that's beside the point.)
*Confirmed or not, if you think we only have one likely Townie you're underreporting the advantage Town has right now.  All the people who are being voted for right now, plus you, are pretty much the only people who are likely to be scum in this game and that pool is going to shrink as the game goes on.

[Den-O]

1) and 2) If these are the only two living options in your mind, why aren't you voting either of them?
3) It's done and over with, but it absolutely matters that you did what you could yesterday to avoid mention of him at all, let alone voting him.

On a side note, your first point makes me want to RAGE a little more.
*"Policy lynch" doesn't mean what you think it means.
*Is Kilga more-or-less guaranteed Town or not?  (I still think that tell is a little dubious but that's beside the point.)
*Confirmed or not, if you think we only have one likely Townie you're underreporting the advantage Town has right now.  All the people who are being voted for right now, plus you, are pretty much the only people who are likely to be scum in this game and that pool is going to shrink as the game goes on.

Regarding voting: Sana is at L-2 and given that this is a power-heavy game, there could very well be a hidden double vote in play. I figure I've already said I found him suspicious, and as such I put my vote on Valentia over my earlier case. Slabes? I don't think he's scum, and in all likelihood the train on him is going to be a town-town argument.

To the third point:

I'm lumping all three together due to inactivity; Pesco has responded more (Sana just did too) than the others, but the responses were subpar which is one of the reasons he's being voted for.

If we're coming down on Pesco or Kilga at this point (there's still some time left) I still think Kilga's a townie. We'll see if anything changes.

This was intended to be a 'Alright, I'll agree here' and 'If there isn't a lynch when we get back I'll hammer down the Pesco train'; I guess I have to be more literate here.

'Policy Lynch': Probably not.

Kilga Town: Principally, we can't say with 100% certainty that Kilga is town until he dies and flips town or someone investigates him to confirm this. Kilga bucked up and took his train on and had nothing to hide. Pesco insisted on lurking and giving off scumtells; thus Pesco was lynched. He flipped scum. This whole thing could have been a scum orchestration - but we can't prove that either, can we? For all intents and purposes I stick with my previous feeling: Kilga is a townie.

Underreporting: I don't even know what to say to this, do you want me to go 'OH MY GOD GUYS WE ARE TOTALLY GOING TO WIN THIS!!' to avoid underreporting in the future? :|

[Thata no Guykoro]

A Needed Votal tally :I

Sana (3): (Kuruminut), HoboverlordPurvis, Omega Wrathie, TranceTheHime
Trancehime (2): Sana, Slabes
Slaves (2): Kilga, Kuruminut
Valentia: (1) Easy Modo

Not Voting: GODrake, Violentia


<huhwhat> YOU ARE A JERK FOR TRYING TO REPLACE ME.

[Serela]

...votecount ninjaed >:

I was asleep okay! D:

[Thata no Guykoro]

...votecount ninjaed >:

I was asleep okay! D:

Don't mind me, I'm just a compulsive votecounter.

[Pesco]

If you're not in the game, watch quietly from the sides pls.

[Decade]

@Slabes: Whether RVS had ended or had not ended, my actions at the end of page 1 were intended to end RVS. Because I will not assume you take me at my word there, I will cede the point that I did not end RVS for everyone. When Kuruminut, then Trance voted me for my actions, the game entered a serious state of affairs. I think it reflects poorly on you that you attempted to extend the RVS. At the very least, I detected no effort from you to end it, and if it is the towntell you think it is, you are doing yourself a disservice.

As for my vote reasons I detect a misunderstanding. GODrake never chided Trance. It was Evil Doer who did that. I held GODrake against his idea that "there was scumhunting to be done" at a stage when RVS had just ended for most people. My comment afterwards was a general commentary on Trance. That you did not even research your case is unbecoming.

I have yet to hear on why you thought Violentia's third vote on you was pertinent enough to mention outside of the RVS.

Further problems I have with Slabes' conduct so far is his push now on Trance, decrying Sana as an "easy lynch". When all evidence points to Sana being scum, I do not think Trance in particular is guilty of an unexplained vote on Sana. Kuruminut was the first to do so this day. I also disagree about Sana providing original content: a rehash of the thread does not constitute original content to me.

Of course, I am also in the camp that feels Sana deserves the noose today. We now know he tried to steer the lynch away from a now-confirmed scum. That he did so while reporting the events of the thread, alongside some vague "maybe yes maybe no" sentiments on a few choice players and finish with the coup de grace that he is sure he skipped over a lot of stuff, does not constitute "original content" in a positive light.

Then there is Sana's post today, which misrepresents Trance's case (he did not, in fact, claim Sana pushed for a Kilga lynch today, despite what Sana wants us to believe) and throws out that Trance "could have bussed" Pesco without supporting that claim with a string of logic.

You say that you think we should look at Trance before going to Sana. However, between the two, you seem to think of Trance is the likelier scum due to Sana supposedly dishing out more original content, and of course visible in that you agree and build on the case Sana propagated. If you truly believed Sana to be scum, I do not think you would take up the case he built. Can you explain which camp you are in proper? Can you also explain why Kuruminut's change of heart is disconcerting?

[Ouja]

Regarding voting: Sana is at L-2 and given that this is a power-heavy game, there could very well be a hidden double vote in play. I figure I've already said I found him suspicious, and as such I put my vote on Valentia over my earlier case. Slabes? I don't think he's scum, and in all likelihood the train on him is going to be a town-town argument.

Where is Trance in this?

To the third point:

This was intended to be a 'Alright, I'll agree here' and 'If there isn't a lynch when we get back I'll hammer down the Pesco train'; I guess I have to be more literate here.

Why wait?

Underreporting: I don't even know what to say to this, do you want me to go 'OH MY GOD GUYS WE ARE TOTALLY GOING TO WIN THIS!!' to avoid underreporting in the future? :|

You don't know what to say to it because it wasn't an accusation per se.  Probably my fault for making it out to look like one.

In the first quote, you mention that there's a chance that OMG SANA MIGHT GET SECRETHAMMERED.  Considering Sana is at or near the top of everyone's scum list, it wouldn't be a bad thing for Sana to get lynched secretly or otherwise even if a Town flip results.  But beyond that, I wouldn't take it seriously as a reasoning if it weren't for this being a role madness game and the fact that I actually DO know that there's a secret vote in the game.  For some reason, I have come into the possession of it.  There are one or two odd uses for it as Town, but the ability to bring on a stealth majority makes it much more useful for scum.  And since it's one-shot, I think you'll find that as of the next (official) vote count Sana will be a little closer to lynch than before (L-2).

[Kiva-la]

What's with all the real accounts posting in this thread? Y'alls need to keep your eyes on the prize.

Mode, I believe the more general issue with your vote that Donut at least partly shares is that feels like non-particpation on your part. Granted, Valentia hasn't posted since you first made your case against her, and there is something to be said for going what you believe in ahead of simply going with the flow, but the way you only briefly acknowledged the existing Day 2 cases while perpetuating a Mid-Day 1 case that all of no one else has bought into since the first time you brought it up makes it look less like you're trying to hunt scum and more like you're trying to avoid posting anything town can hold you responsible for, which is very much a scummy thing to do. It's a very "safe" position for you to take, because it requires no additional input on your part - and you've provided basically no additional input. Certainly nothing meaningful, since "I agree with the Sana case" seems to be the going opinion from everyone and your stance on Slaves was a single line that was inferrable fom Kilga's case anyway. We want to see more effort.

[Decade]

@Purvis: Sssh.

@EasyModo: In #113 you say that you have your doubts about Slabes. Yet in #121, you seem to take a more certain stance on that Slabes is not scum. What are the doubts you have with regards to Slabes, and why are they insignificant insofar that you can declare him town at this stage?

[Skull]

Dear Blog,

It is currently lunch break here at the mansion. The morning had been quite eventful. I woke up to the shout of someone screaming "GOOD GRAVY!". I dashed out of my room hoping to get some along with my morning hash browns. Alas, it was a lie. At first glance, it seems Ms. Duehr offed herself last night. But a piece of paper was taped onto her back, the words "Sacrificial Lamb" written in blue ink. I don't know what to make of it. Was it suicide or murder? There was already one confirmed victim with that Alice girl. I guess I should be grateful I didn't ask either of them to come to my room to touch their boobies or I could also be dead.

Anyways, I was mad at Sana for fooling me about the gravy so I declared he should be next into the lynching room. Apparently, 3 others felt the same way too. But then a few of them had their enthusiasm fade slightly. They wanted to pursue other cases. But no! We can't let this injustice about the nonexistent gravy pass! Sana counters that it was Trancey who hid the gravy! Sana says, "Oh, your first 2 points are sound (which they are), but the 3rd one is wrong because it was inapplicable theory or something. In essence, Sana says to Trancey, your reasons are good but because you came late and Trancey's vote "can be seen as bussing" so he's more guilty than me today. Nope! Not a higher priority today. Not enough to convince me that Sana shouting about the gravy and not having it is the greatest crime of this day.

And a note about Slabes so I don't forget:

Pretty much the only differences between Sana and Trance is that Sana dished out more original content and Trance happened to select the right guy as the very last vote of the day without explaining the vote in depth (why can't Sana do the same thing?)

Wrong. The difference is Trancey voted a correct guy even though it was late versus Sana voting a most likely incorrect guy at a point on the wagon where it could have shifted the person who gets ushered through the Lynching Door. And the original content thing I totally disagree with. As you said, why couldn't Sana have done the same thing? One is not automatically guilty when wrong, but Sana ended up being wrong at a very bad time and it reflects way more poorly on him than Trancey. I've got my eye on you too Slabes. Perhaps you're also hiding the gravy!

Anyways, all that typing worked up quite an appetite. Oh, here's the lunch menu for today. ... ... Lamb chops for the main course?! The owner of this mansion is a twisted bastard! I think I'm going to stick to the veggies instead. Hopefully with some good gravy.

[Den-O]

@Purvis: Sssh.

@EasyModo: In #113 you say that you have your doubts about Slabes. Yet in #121, you seem to take a more certain stance on that Slabes is not scum. What are the doubts you have with regards to Slabes, and why are they insignificant insofar that you can declare him town at this stage?

I didn't mean that I doubted him being a Townie, sorry if I was unclear. I doubted he was scum, I still do. All I can really say (I don't know how this community reacts to this sort of thing) is to trust me on this.

I went back and looked over to find that someone had unvoted Sana, so she's no longer at L-2, so:
##Unvote: Valentia
##Vote: Sana

Sana is, at this point, still an easy lynch, essentially having the noose around her neck.  Donut poked me earlier about not mentioning Trance (and I did forget, my bad) and if I had to rank my scumdar readings at the moment:

Sana>Valentia=Trance>Slaves and the rest.

We can still keep Sana in her place; we have 60 or so hours open for discussion. Trance is finally joining in on the discussion, Valentia is still MIA. Both have opportunities to speak up; it's to our advantage to make use of the time. This is basically my present roadmap.

[Den-O]

Where is Trance in this?
Why wait?
You don't know what to say to it because it wasn't an accusation per se.  Probably my fault for making it out to look like one.

In the first quote, you mention that there's a chance that OMG SANA MIGHT GET SECRETHAMMERED.  Considering Sana is at or near the top of everyone's scum list, it wouldn't be a bad thing for Sana to get lynched secretly or otherwise even if a Town flip results.  But beyond that, I wouldn't take it seriously as a reasoning if it weren't for this being a role madness game and the fact that I actually DO know that there's a secret vote in the game.  For some reason, I have come into the possession of it.  There are one or two odd uses for it as Town, but the ability to bring on a stealth majority makes it much more useful for scum.  And since it's one-shot, I think you'll find that as of the next (official) vote count Sana will be a little closer to lynch than before (L-2).

I tried to address these in my earlier post, but I might as well field them separately.

1. Yes, forgot Trance, my bad. Same level on my scumdar as Valentia for similar lurking.

2. Why vote so people can haphazardly drop a hammer like we did to take Pesco down? I went to sleep after that post; I figured that when I woke up and there wasn't any glaring new points against Kilga, I'd hop on the Pesco bandwagon. (Granted I wasn't keeping track of the remaining game time at this point, so this could have simply not worked at all.)

3. When it comes to Sana being secrethammered - ok, good to know the double vote is out of the way. Before knowing this, though, I figure it's in the town's interest to keep the Day open a bit and still discuss things: see Kilga wisely turning away from the train to start grilling Slaves (despite my disagreement on the matter).

[Ouja]

I'll say this first, since it needs its own post and I'm not sure what to make of it.

You clearly read my post.

And since it's one-shot, I think you'll find that as of the next (official) vote count Sana will be a little closer to lynch than before (L-2).

Yet you said

I went back and looked over to find that someone had unvoted Sana, so she's no longer at L-2, so:
##Unvote: Valentia
##Vote: Sana

Or in modern English, you just put Sana at L-1.

[Den-O]

I'll say this first, since it needs its own post and I'm not sure what to make of it.

You clearly read my post. Yet you said
Or in modern English, you just put Sana at L-1.

Uh. ##Unvote, my bad? Don't even know what I'm supposed to say to this. You guys want me to put my money where my mouth is, I go to do so and get incriminated for a mistake. :|

[Ouja]

2. Why vote so people can haphazardly drop a hammer like we did to take Pesco down?

What was particularly haphazard about the Pesco hammer that would have been made more so by your vote?  He was lynched with seven hours to deadline, most of them in the dead of American night.  I'm glad people were online.

Cut:  Bold was so people saw it in case they showed up before you did, not so much for the threatening factor.

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I think I'm done with Mode.  Let's wait for Slaves instead.

[Den-O]

What was particularly haphazard about the Pesco hammer that would have been made more so by your vote?  He was lynched with seven hours to deadline, most of them in the dead of American night.  I'm glad people were online.

Cut:  Bold was so people saw it in case they showed up before you did, not so much for the threatening factor.

orz, ok, my bad again with regards to the timing.

What I'm trying to get at is that the final two votes were hardly, shall we say, compelling? It was essentially two relative non contributors conceding to the will of the crowd. If we had more time (we didn't, my error) we could have gotten further discussion out of everyone, Eve and Trance included. Every time you make a scum talk, they have an opportunity to make a mistake. This was what I wanted to do to see how the Kilga train went, but we didn't have the time - turns out Eve flipped town and Pesco flipped scum anyways.

Wrathie was musing about the meaning of a Sacrificial Lamb earlier: my first thought is that Eve was a bodyguard. But then we'd have to start discussing the flavor text of her having been found dead rather than overtly stabbed to death, which will lead us nowhere. :/

[Ouja]

Wrathie was musing about the meaning of a Sacrificial Lamb earlier: my first thought is that Eve was a bodyguard. But then we'd have to start discussing the flavor text of her having been found dead rather than overtly stabbed to death, which will lead us nowhere.

I think we can trust the flavor text in this game.  I think the different flip color means that Eve was a third party of some variety who may have failed to reach their win condition.  The original Eve was site-banned for being a forum game going horribly wrong, and the flavor text mentioning that thread points toward a connection.  So Alice was more than likely the scumkill and more than likely either chosen randomly or at the last minute, suggesting a team of newbscum.

Take it for what it's worth, although there's a related bit of setup logic that <insert cryptic statement here>.

[DiEnd]

Well i missed alot D: better catch up here  :ohdear:

About me being so called "under the radar" and being scum for being so under the radar, i generally do not have much to add to other peoples statements as is.

The case behind Sana at the moment could possibly lead her to be lynched, still not sure on it and i rather not vote on it as of yet.

Who are we talking about, here? There's three options.

- We could policy lynch Sana for lack of participation or any particular content, acting basically as a reporter, since the 'lynch anything' tactic is statistically very much in favour of town-side given we have one essentially-confirmed town (Kilga, though I don't think we can 100% confirm anything outside of an investigation or flip, principally speaking). Slabes seems to think otherwise on this (Sana lynch), though.

I see no point in the,"Lynch anything" tatic, seems like a pull out a machine gun and spray option which isnt the smartest idea ever

Unless a bigger spark of evidence appears Sana is off my scum list.

[Decade]

@Violentia: If we combine your statements. You said you are unsure about the case behind Sana leading to a lynch, and follow it up with Sana being off your scum list. Whereas most of us are agreed Sana must be scum, can you explain why you think this is not the case?

[Sasword]

And I have returned! Oh boy, look at all these posts to read.

Anyway, suffice it to say that the Sana case has been discussed to death and I agree that Sana is quite scummy. I'm all for his lynch, so, onto other areas.

Valentia! Is that really all you have to say? I'm kind of hoping that by "better catch up here" you mean you're still going over the topic, and have a better post incoming soon! If you don't (Which is what I feel is more likely), well. All your post says is you don't agree with the Sana case, and hardly even say why. You act as if there isn't any actual reasoning behind the case on Sana.

Pretty sure Valentia is a newbie, but I'm also pretty sure she's looking a lot like newbscum, with heavy lurking and posts that don't really say anything.

##Vote:Violentia

[Serela]

Time for a Votecount!

Sana Spice (4): HoboverlordPurvis, Omega Wrathie, TranceTheHime, Basement Dweller
TranceTheHime (2): Sana Spice, Slabes
Slabes (2): Kilgajesus, Kuruminut
Violentia (1): GODrake

Not Voting: Violentia, Easy Modo

With 10 players, it takes 6 votes to lynch. Sana is at L-2.

There are 51 hours left in the day.

[Ouja]

Unless a bigger spark of evidence appears Sana is off my scum list.

What scum list :V

This wagon is even better than the Slabeswagon :3

##Unvote: Slaves
##Vote: Valentia

(Yes I know, sorry Mode)

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Basement Dweller

I'm better than that; I'm posting from the ground floor.

[Kabuto]

though disappearing off the face of the earth makes her look worse

Now, on to Pescohax, who is the center of all the fire.

time is starting to wind down

there's no point pushing the bandwagon anywhere forward into dangerous waters yet.

Can you also explain why Kuruminut's change of heart is disconcerting?

##GoPlanet

[Den-O]

asdasda donut

also: ^^^^WAT

[Kiva-la]

Kinda out of order there, buddy.

[Decade]

I admit I would be fairly amused if that actually triggered some sort of power.

As far as the actual game proceedings go, I admit to wariness regarding the Violentia case, if only because the action strikes me moreso as newbie and silly than it strikes me as scum intent. Openly defying Sana's lynch in such a way seems only to implicate one's self when Sana flips scum (if Sana flips scum), while not moving onto anyone else is too high profile and attention grabbing. I cannot fathom any scum player would honestly pursue such an action, and maintain that I find Slabes to be most scummy after Sana.

The wait is, of course, for Slabes at this juncture. The continued silence does not speak in his favour.

[Ouja]

Okay we can't lynch Sana if he's going to keep making posts like that :3 (kidding)
Although I'm going to ask the obvious question - role-based or no? (a simple yes/no will do)

asdasda donut

Cut by Kilga:  I think it's in the realm of possibility that Valentia is "very, very new".   But waiting for Slaves is cool too.

[Kiva-la]

In the interest of doing something while waiting for whatever this is to resolve:

- Val's post speaks for itself, not that I begrudge the people openly criticising it. Sana isn't scum for completely unexplained reasons? Seemingly non-sequitur response to a part of Mode's pose? (Seriously, what is that response addressing? I cannot see it at all.) No vote? No actual content? What is this I don't even.

- Kinda unhappy with Drake for picking on nothing but the Valentia post after coming in so late. If you had first posted right before that Valentia post, what cases would you have been making, and where would your vote be?

- If Sana does somehow prove his townhood with this charade, I expect I'll be moving to Slaves, for reasons discussed prior.

[OOO]

@donut: Sure, circumstances may have changed, but an explanation should have been given.  It's not really an OMGUS in that there was no intention to vote you, just a need to see some reasoning for how the change of circumstances affected your opinion.

@Kilga: Alright, it looks like I misunderstood the entirety of your D1 actions, and so I'm inclined to let all of you hold it against me and move on to justifying my case on Trance, which is more important.  The RVS thing I am uninterested in getting bogged down in for the most part (I did not see your post as an RVS ender for example), as it's all technical and subjective, I feel.  On hindsight, I guess you all do have a reason to be disconcerted (cue Rou-facepalm)

However, between the two, you seem to think of Trance is the likelier scum due to Sana supposedly dishing out more original content, and of course visible in that you agree and build on the case Sana propagated. If you truly believed Sana to be scum, I do not think you would take up the case he built. Can you explain which camp you are in proper? Can you also explain why Kuruminut's change of heart is disconcerting?

Yes, Sana is scummy, but I saw some merit to his Trance vote which I agreed with, and that merit is not at all dependent on Sana's alignment.  Again, going onto the Sana case as an easy lynch at that point, and note that he was the L-2 vote and that he just parroted everyone else.  Thing is that, in his post here, he did not state his reasons for the hammer at all, and that he did not comment on anyone else at all, things he criticizes about Sana here.  There should be an effort to sort out these contradictions, after all, and jumping on the bandwagon alone is not enough to make Trance town at all.  His only original point is that Sana talked about Alice and Alice got NK'ed, but that doesn't mean anything. 

I am in the neither 'camp' at the moment until Trance has a response to my post. If it's satisfactory, I would join the Sana wagon due to the rather inexplicable go planet thing.   And of course, Purvis, any counterwagon is bound to be a passive defense to the main one.  I'm not in any way saying that Sana was awesome or anything, just that Sana had the {slightly) more intelligent vote than Trance, and a greater breadth of points.