MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Game Over, Town Win

[Serela]

##GoPlanet

There was a bit of a collective "What" as Sana called out the trademark Captain Planet summoning.

But they didn't expect it to actually DO something.

As Sana pulled out five glowing rings, their light combined to form Captain Planet, who picked up Sana in his arms and flew out a high, unreachable window, yelling "The power... is YOURS!"

The window glass fell to the floor in absolute stunned silence.

Then the intercom came on.

"What. The. Fuck."
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Sana Spice the Planeteer summoned Captain Planet and escaped the mansion!

You may now carry on as normal.

[Ouja]

EXCELLENT.

Great role, too.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Great role, too.

But what no one really knew is that Sana's role had the power to make window glass sentient.

The window glass fell to the floor in absolute stunned silence.

[Decade]

Are you laughing, guys? Because I am laughing.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Also, votes have been reset. Serela forgot to point that out.

[Den-O]

Holy shit.

[OOO]

I guess heart made the window glass sentient.  Good job.

[Ouja]

@donut: Sure, circumstances may have changed, but an explanation should have been given.  It's not really an OMGUS in that there was no intention to vote you, just a need to see some reasoning for how the change of circumstances affected your opinion.

What part of "I agree with everything Kilga said" made no sense?  (To head the obvious following question off at the pass, I gave a longer explanation afterward, so there was one.)

Sana leaving means the pool of not-obvTowns drops to... about three, maybe three and a half people out of nine.  It's pretty hard to miss at this point

##Vote: Valentia again, betting on newbscum as before.

[Ouja]

Doubleposting to say I am so stealing that role for future use.

[Den-O]

Here we go again~

##Vote: Valentia

[Sasword]

Wow.

At least my helping summon Captain Planet means I helped make the world cleaner. Or something.

Anyway, with votes reset, redoing ##Vote:Violentia

[Serela]

Also, I should probably throw out there that it only takes 5 votes to lynch with Sana gone.

So, Violentia is now at L-2!

[OOO]

@donut: The... past?  Never mind about that.

##Vote: Trance.  I doubt Violentia is scummier than Trance for the moment, since the latter's actions are far more malignant with that jumpvote.

[Decade]

Alright, then. Now that I have recovered from my initial fit of laughter, I find myself re-examining my stances and priorities.

@Slabes: I see the point you raise about Trance. I find myself agreeing despite my belief that your behaviour has been scummy, however, there is the proviso that when explained, I can follow your thought pattern at least somewhat.

TranceHime reeks me of newbie. However, a cursory reread I just did to confirm your claim reminds me that Pesco asserted at the start of the game that TranceHime is obviously newbie, and he reminded us of the presence of newbies again later, if memory serves. Either scum sought to preserve newbies for easy pickings later on, or one or more of their number is a newbie. I am unaware, but it is not a possibility I can discard.

What I missed is that in Trance's #98, he says that his inactivity is due to wanting to take his sweet time with meaningful discussion. I passed it off at the time as newbie, but as the truth of Slabes' words become apparent, I find myself interested in pursuing this trail as well.

As such, I will take it as an admission of active lurking, which has never been an admirable trait in townies. There was never a telegraphed intention or stance on anyone, and as Slabes pointed out, he has only taken easy stances this game. In the case of the first serious push, being the one on me, he did not telegraph reasons at all.

Hm. While I cannot shake all suspicion of Slabes, I admit his latest post is satisfying for me, and displays a strong trait I enjoy in people: the ability to look beyond their own defence and focus on hunting scum. For now, I am content to press Trance.

##Vote: TranceHime

How much time left, mod?

[Decade]

Also, before I forget, and because I think it merits repeat. GODrake, please observe #148 from Purvis, and respond to his query there. It does not look well on you to blatantly ignore a reasonable request for clarification and explanation.

[Serela]

Boo, Votecounts.

Violentia (3): Kuruminut, Easy Modo, GODrake
TranceTheHime (2): Slabes, Kilgajesus

Not Voting:Violentia, TranceTheHime, HoboverlordPurvis, Omega Wrathie

With 9 players, it takes 5 to lynch. Violentia is at L-2.
There are 49 hours left in the day.

[Den-O]

##Unvote: Violentia

So, uh, is she actually at L1 or L2?

[Serela]

;_;

-2. Well -3 now. I typoed it both tiiimez

[Den-O]

Welp, re##Vote: Valentia then!

My previous order still applies - one of Valentia or Trance (maybe both) will likely flip scum.

[Serela]

Kilgajesus has been kneecapped to death.

His flip shall be revealed at the end of the day.

With 8 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Votes are not reset, but Kilga's vote on Trance is removed.

[Skull]

Dear Blog,

Terrible afternoon. Let me recount what happened. First off, after a relatively unsatisfying lunch bereft of meat and gravy, I headed back to the main hall to confront Sana Spice again. He just stood there taking our continued criticism. Then suddenly, he pointed at 5 of my compatriots and seemed to draw magical words from each of them. Before I knew it, an old familiar jingle began to ring in my head, reminiscent of long forgotten times of the 90s. By the time I placed its source, HE appeared. That blue skinned, green haired savior of Earth. He grabbed Sana and prepared to fly off. Temporarily at a loss for words, I managed to cry out:

"WAIT! Where's the good gravy?!"

Captain Planet merely yelled out, "The power... is YOURS!"

"But the gravy isn't!!! Where is it?!"

By then, the sentient glass had fallen amongst us also staring at what was left of their shattered home and selves. I couldn't take it anymore and cursed at the fleeing duo.

"YOU'LL PAY FOR THIS, CAPTAIN PLANET!!!"

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It gets worse of course, I just found out Kilga got kneecapped to death. Poor useless bunny only good for her sex appeal. Seriously, even though I don't believe he's one of those dirty gravy-hiding thugs, we won't find out until this evening when the man behind the intercom decides to tell us then. Jackass. What happened to our numbers advantage??? Fuck... I need a nap.

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*non-flavor note: I'm working on my analysis post right now. Please wait warmly.

[Ouja]

Kilgajesus has been kneecapped to death.

Oooooooonce there was this giiiiiiirl who
Dreamed one day that she would be a figure skating champion ♪

Waiting on Wrathie before saying anything more serious.

[Skull]

Dear Blog,

Blargh. Can't sleep, too noisy with all the confusion going on outside. So it's time to pore over my chat logs and see what I can find.

Finished reading the logs. You know, as much as the focus after (with apologies to Nancy) Kilgerrigan's beatdown  seemed to be on Valentia or Trance, something about both of them being likely newbies strikes me as odd. Then I remembered why. Someone proposed that the scumteam is probably all made of newbies. And that someone from post #137 is:

##Vote: Kuruminut

That is an extremely careless and dangerous assumption to make. Why is the scum team nub? If you will recall, Alice was the second one on Pesco's wagon. And Kilga who was just offed and reasonably considered Town by everyone else was the first on Pesco's wagon. And you're telling me the scum are all newbs? It sets a bad precedent and gives me pause to go after the so called "newbscum" as you call Valentia or maybe Trance.

But I looked into you more than just that initial gut reaction oh Mr. Nutty Nut. I recall you flitting around case by case in Day 1 and I don't like it. In re-reading the exchange between you and Kilga, I don't like how you accused Drake and then somehow decided that Drake could be townie due to content posts. Kilga countered and then you said that maybe you cleared Drake too soon per #75. Looked like a bit of an overreach there. Mode's #80 is actually quite decent in regards to the Donut analysis.

Going to Nutty's #83, now that I read it, his responses to Mode aren't really that adequate. A call to bandwagon from both you and Drake is still what it is and yea, you did go vote Drake for it. So you never really refute the point, just brush it aside. Also:

Also, summary wallposts aren't cool.  They don't tell me much because I read the topic, and they slow me down from seeing that you didn't say anything about Pesco.

Whoa, pot and kettle! From #37-#75, you pretty much don't acknowledge Pesco at all despite spending the time to be extremely talkative about most everyone else and their responses. Kilga noticably questions Pesco while talking to you and I find it odd you don't. Only after there are already 2 votes on Pesco, you bring up an analysis of Pesco and at the same time a simple one-liner temporary clear of Kilga in your big #83. By this point, you can reasonably say that Pesco had done himself in by then as he never posts in the game again and the various votes fall into place. So yes, after the lone non-Pesco vote was proven to be Town moments ago, Pesco was bus worthy after his post #82. Picking on the late newb or the nub voting Kilga in Day 1 seems short sighted.

And in regards to your reason to vote Slaves:

I'm voting you because you made one significant post yesterday, mentioning Pesco long enough to not ignore him but not being anywhere around when he actually came under fire.  Sure, I agreed with that post at the time, but circumstances have changed quite a bit since Page 2.

Pot and kettle again! You give me bad vibes all around and I want this train of thought to be discussed more. Therefore, I don't trust going on the Valentia wagon right now with 3 quick votes on it and the Trance wagon is a bit inconclusive. Those 2 definitely need to speak up and vote.

~~~

Mods: Can you post end of day votecounts please so we don't have to backtrack through it all ourselves? Thanks.

[Kiva-la]

Ugh, this trainwreck.

As bad as Valentia is, there's something here telling me I don't want to vote for her. Not yet. Part of it is the mad dash to her right after Sana's flip, and part of it is looking back at that post and going "that post is just bad". Bad bad. Unhelpful bad. Anti-town bad. But...I don't know if I see it as scummy. I look at it and think "What would make scum more likely to post this than town? What advantage does scum hope to gain by being this unhelpful?" And I have no answer to these questions. When I do, I'll be ready to vote for her.

I actually kind of want to vote Drake right now. He's talked about a grand total of two people today, and one of those was a one-liner on Sana. I'm suddenly not sure about Valentia, which makes me feel like perhaps he's simply pushing an easy target. Amusing in his case against Valentia is the "Is that really all you have to say?" opener when the exact same could be thrown back at him - doubly so in the face of blithely ignoring a call for opinions while throwing his vote back down on Valentia. It's hard to ignore his vote positioning on Day 1, though.

In light of Sana's flip I'm suddenly having a hard time making up my mind on Trance vs. Slaves. I...think I'm still going to go with the Slaves case, as there are still a couple things that bother me about the Trance case. I looked back at Trance's reason for not posting opinions on Day 1, and he cited others getting to those opinions first. Now, in look back at the Trance case, he's being simultaneously blasted (at least by Slaves here) for not posting his opinions at all (on Day 1) and parroting opinions (on the Sana case). Given he didn't post opinions on Day 1 because he didn't want to parrot, it makes me frown that he'd be that inconsistent but also that both things would be held against him separately (if he had posted his Day 1 opinions that were apparently copies of other opinions, would you be any happier, Slaves?). I dunno, it's kinda hard to word this the way I want to, but I don't like both these things being held against him given that, in this specific case, his choices appear to have been one or the other.

Slaves has also moved his opinion of Trance's Sana post over to "just parroted everyone else" and "his only original point is that Sana talked about Alice", which is untrue, as he was the first to point out Sana's pesco defense. It's also sensationalized to a degree; "everyone else" in this context is only me, as I was the only one to comment on Sana's final Day 1 post before him. Donut mutely voted Sana and no one else had said anything about Sana during the end of Day 1 other than noting he existed at all. Who exactly is this 'everyone else'?

And then there's just picking nits with what amounts to "but you should have explicitly said the scum flip changed your mind!" at Donut. It's not like it was terribly hard to infer, especially since you got it yourself on the first try.

Also the RVS inconsistency/hypocrisy/whatever you want to call it (third point) still stands.

I really want to see another post from Trance before I decide if I'm ready to vote for him. As things stand, as I don't know if I'm ready to vote for Valentia or Trance, but I DO know I'm ready to vote for Slaves, I will do just that.

##Vote: Slaves

[Skull]

EBWOP: "Probably all made of newbies" is a bit hyperbole. I'll just quote Nutty's passage from #137.

So Alice was more than likely the scumkill and more than likely either chosen randomly or at the last minute, suggesting a team of newbscum.

[Kiva-la]

That's actually quite an interesting case on Donut. I had seen the "newbscum" assumption and was more or less inclined to throw it out (because hell, look at how I'm voting), but thinking about it in conjunction with how Donut keeps referring to the lynch candidate pool (first here, again here) I can see it as an attempt to lead the town via simple subconscious misdirection. Make people chase after newbies, convince them there's only a handful of actual suspects...yeah, I can definitely see scum intent behind that.

[Kiva-la]

You know what? To hell with it.

##Unvote, ##Vote: Kuruminut

I buy that case. It helps me that I went back to Donut's #83 and can only barely make out a case on Pesco at all. There is admittedly a degree of questioning Pesco in Donut's #56, which doesn't entirely matchup with the accusation that Donut "[doesn't] acknowledge Pesco at all", but Pesco's response is very lackluster - it dodges the pairing question entirely (i.e. doesn't even say "I don't actually think that" or anything of the sort) and Donut seems to accept it anyway given how he doesn't stop to even acknowledge that it exists until kinda-sorta in #83. And, really, that insinuation was the only thing Donut held against the guy? Very unimpressive reasoning.

[Skull]

I was going to post that I missed the #56 thing, but Purvis just beat me to it. People seriously need to put down the name/post of the people they're quoting. And he kind of explained why it doesn't completely derail my case which is obviously a boon to me. My opinion of him improves quite a bit, but we've been burned too many times in mafia to be completely trustworthy of anyone here.

And I also missed that Valentia had a vote on GODrake at the end of Day 1 and wasn't a part of the Pesco/Kilga deal. Not sure if it is relevant at all due to the after #82 clause.

[Kiva-la]

Valentia missing both Day 1 trains is irritating but I think it's not unreasonable to assume she plain wasn't around after her Drake vote, and total absence is not a tell either way because real life can come up for anyone. I don't think I'd put too much stock into it. At the very least, not unless we get to a point where we're voting off least likely townie instead of most likely scum.

Also, as long as you're here, can I bother you to restate your position on Slaves as of right now, since I am still very willing to vote for him as well? Did Sana's flip change anything there for you?

[Skull]

Regarding Slabes of meat (boy I could sure go for some meat now, with gravy):

First impression due to me now thinking Donut is Scum infers that Slaves is Town due to Donut's Day 2 vote as the initial alternate to Town Sana. Even though Donut is now pursuing Valentia, I suspect Donut still has Slaves pegged as second so I want to hear his opinion there. I was getting on Slaves' case initially for thinking that Trance had a greater priority than Sana in the possibility that Slaves was Sana's scumbuddy trying to present an easy to understand, yet hard to prove and inconclusive alternative. In retrospect, it's a poor way to go through Day 2 because I never expected to move my vote from Sana anyways.

I still think Sana's case was clearly dominant and Town got bailed out by his ability. Everyone agreed Sana was bad, but Sana defying expectations with the Town flip suggests that in Slaves case: he is Scum knowing Sana would flip Town and wished to avoid the wagon completely or Slaves is Town/3rd party (we have 2 unexplained deaths in Eve and Kilga and it seriously worries me right now) and thought well enough ahead to try a different route. There is no real benefit for Scum to avoid the Sana wagon since it solidifies a position and they could coast through Day 2 offering 1 alternative case and most everyone was guilty of accusing Sana whether they would have voted or not. Him taking the initiative with the Trance case at the start puts undue attention on him which is a more gutsy way for him to play as Scum or it's an actual Townie at work. Too many what-ifs regarding Slaves still but lean Town more than Scum in the end. His reasoning for Trance in Day 2 in light of Sana's flip is now fair and he was consistent with it even after the Sana flip which doesn't reflect poorly on him. He's in the category of "needs another post to make a clearer opinion of."