Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Game Over)

[Polaris]

So you said you were about to give a read what?

I do not understand what you are asking.

[Schezo]

There were zero reads in your post just now.  Just a bunch of fluff.  Please create some~

[Polaris]

wow gosh i just said i had nothing relevant to say. if i had reads i would have told you already
i am voting serela because i think he is scum though

[Polaris]

Actually now that I think about it "not having reads" could be the same as "not having scum reads" so there you have it

[Shadoweh]

Oh hey I forgot this is a Kilga game and we get BOSS MODE RUSH Day 1. Reading Page 2: Raikaria's posting style seems to fit his avatar, IE the sunglasses on not giving a fuck. His posting is devoid of er, sense with the 'if we can't decide on someone' while contributing to not deciding anything, but I can't see him as scum thinking it's a good idea to say that in the thread. (I also think he's taking the 1 vs 1 thing personally, like he's been on the receiving end a few times or soemthing. :V)

Weirdly enough Serela says exactly my thoughts on this later, ARE YOU READING MY SECRET QUICKTOPIC NOTES SERELA?!

Considering the reason for Schezo's revote was obvious (re: the post right before it which was terrible) Neko's vote was pointless. And after Schezo explained it Neko's response is 'well you're pushing too hard but guess there isn't much' :sitdowncatnap:. Followed by punching Serela, I'm glad we're picking hard targets here, especially ones that have a bunch of votes because :gut:.

...
I'm having trouble reading this as a mafia game after that actually because I'm reminded why I spend every game with Pesco trying to eliminate him from the earth. What does caps lock posting have to do with being scum and why are you happily pushing Neko because he's hateable instead of anything actually scummy he's done? Along with modkill requests that aren't going to happen. Are you here to play mafia or Haters gonna Hate?

I'm just gonna put down the vote on where I wanted to so far and keep writing.
##Vote: I have no name and I must get voted
This post is even worse on the easy wagon train because it hops on Neko while mentioning that the guy who wants to push Neko as a lynch looks like scum. It's another vote for hate instead of a vote for scum.

Edit: Or I'll try to post my thoughts while Polaris cuts me a few hundred times, sure

[Shadoweh]

Zak: Are you suggesting we should randomly lynch lurkers like Raikaria wants? :V Isn't that detrimental to your lifestyle? Pushing back on bad logic isn't really scummy. Also I don't get why people hate all-caps in the first place, if it's making him have fun leave the poor cat alone.

I'm just going to keep scrolling until this unfunny stops. Still gonna read Schezo's posts though, because he is my most faithful disciple. If I did a wordcount for this page I think Chainsaw would come up five hundred times, yet no one has proposed that maybe Serela should explain what about Schezo he finds scummy instead of going CHAINSAW VOTE TIME GO TRAIN! Oh look Serela explained it in his very next post so I'm sure I'm going to read all those votes disappearing instead of another wagon time right?!?!

Edible's #140 is reminding me of my mafia childhood pretty much what I said about Rai-Rai, he's just a loud person in this game. He also has the only thing resembling a case on NNR instead of HATE SHIFT KEYS.

I just checked quick to see if IHNN has even posted again. Nope!

[Edible]

I switched from metropolitans back to a dark & stormy because I ran out of vermouth.

Shadowert: I dislike defending other people, but IHNN did say he would be gone for ~16 hours from his last post. <_<;  So there is that.

You've reminded me that I need to reread Serela though.  And holy poop, was that all Affinity had to say? ;_;

[Shadoweh]

I know, it was impossible to miss his impression of PX's posting style.
Consideering he thinks your theory has to do with Raikaria's non-voting I'm not sure if Affinity actually read what was going on before he voted. That is a terrible vote either way.

[Affinity]

Well my point still stands.

Forgive me but I'll be busy until tomorrow morning, around 24 hours from now.  I'll give myself a thorough slap and the game a thorough read after the trial passes.

[Pesco]

The stupid capslock posting has nothing to do with why I'm voting him. I ask him to restate his reason for voting and he refused. When someone doesn't take the step to confirm their stance, that's pretty scummy since they'll just handwave their action away later on. So ask yourself:

Is NNR scumhunting? Refer to Edible's reason to stay voting him and you'll see a no.
Is NNR being helpful to town? We have a time limit and he'd rather take a leave from the game for a while, so that's a no too.

Where in anything that he's done do you see him contributing towards the town wincon? I don't see it, so I'm voting him. What I do see is him not being able to separate his game role from himself. The mod needs to step in and sort that out via modkill or replacement if deemed necessary.

Question for the people who have a personal thoughts QT in the game: what are you posting in there that you couldn't possibly post in the game thread too if you're town?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Question for the people who have a personal thoughts QT in the game: what are you posting in there that you couldn't possibly post in the game thread too if you're town?

Nudes.

Anyway, will read and post after I do some stuff hopefully.

[Raikaria]

I would appreciate it is people did not accuse me of non-voting and staying on my RVS when several times before I switched I indicated I wanted to vote one of NNR and Serela, but was thinking it over and waiting for someone to confirm I was understanding the term correctly.  I also have been voting Serela for a while now.

If you are going to bite at me, I would appreciate it if you used legitimate reasons, instead of something that, if you actually read, isn't actually applicable.

Anyway, onto comments on what has happened wile I saw snoozing:

Polaris: Lurking. Random gut vote is random. Doesn't matter if you actually post when there's nothing there. Dan posted nothing of use [And what he did post was town-confusing nonsense], and he turned out to be the scums last game. Happy to vote him.

Shadoweh how can I decide anything on Page 2 when we have no content to decide with. 

Reading the post Shadoweh highlighted from IHNN, well, hopefully he posts more soon.

Lynching lurkers isn't random Shadoweh. It's better than forcing a random TvT 1v1 at the end of D1 like every D1 I've seen ._.. Especially after that last game where half the players lurked or active lurked, and lo and behold that's where ALL the scum was, letting town rip itself apart. [Dan, Zakeri, NNR wasn't forefront town, nor was Dormio]. I think after last game there's a pretty good precident to liking a lurker lynch over random TvT.

And then there's not a lot else to actually comment on.

[Polaris]

Raikaria if you have nothing to comment on then how do you expect me to comment on anything

[Raikaria]

Raikaria if you have nothing to comment on then how do you expect me to comment on anything

I commented on your lack of commenting. From Shadoweh's posts onwards it's just people repeating what they have already said.

There's several pages you cab actually give more than 1 line opinions on, and you should be able to have someone you dislike for an actual reason, not a gut feeling. Who do you think is town and why could be useful as well.

[Shadoweh]

if people don't play the way i think they should they should be modkilled lulz

I really hope you are scum this time and not just a terrible person because Youkai Jesus fuck.

Affinity: I don't get what the point is exactly though, because textbook scummy doesn't mean anything. That he said stuff while deciding RVS meant he shouldn't be voting anyone? Have you ever seen scum actually do this to have it written in a textbook? I find it extra weird because you follow it with a defense for NNR with him 'being NNR', how is Raikaria not just Being Raikaria?

Rairai: If you're on page 2 it means the scum have already posted some bullshit rvs, so there's always something to go on. As for your lurker argument, I am pretty sure Dormio and NNR weren't lurking so etc. I'm not against lynching them at all, but I want to lynch the lurkers that are also scummy.

Polly how is Serela not being Sereley right now he's already a cute little ball all plump with fluff

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Man, there's all this confidence flowing from Raikaria's posts.
This clearly means that he is scum.

Would c/p Schezo's responses to Raikaria's #67, 75, and 79.

Don't like Raikaria's chainsaw logic.

Don't like Raikaria's push on polly-kun.

Also meta because if we want to look at Raikaria's response in regards to the whole how much effort should be put into self-preservation as town thing that answer implies a thought process where survival is not important yet a majority of Raikaria's content is dedicated towards defending himself.
If you want to bring up the last game as precedent for Raikaria defending himself in DEFCON Raikaria didn't defend himself so much as lash out with OMGUS.

Totally legit reasoning right here.

I would likely sheep what other people have said about NNR about him but since sheeping is uninteresting I'll just end the mention here.

IHNN #90 is a thing.
Absolutely nothing said in post.
Would vote.
Awaiting next post.

Still reading.

[Pesco]

Really now Shadoweh? Please tell me you understand how a game of roleplaying works. Specifically the separation of one's person from the character they pretend to be. If you don't appear to comprehend the rules, I have no qualms asking for you to be mod-removed too.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

:derp:

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I don't see why you bother to press Rai's claim that we should be aiming for lurkers, especially considering people are still arguing in the last mafia game about punishing bad play to prevent intentional bad play.

Holy shit. What the hell is this? Would like expansion on logic process.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Because in my opinion that's scummy as hell. And it also happens to be Zakeri's only content.

[Raikaria]

Uh, Dormio, if anything I'm being more aggressive this game than last. Unless you want to count borderline OMGUS as 'aggression'. The PX thing didn't happen until LLD1.

And yes, I'm defending myself. Because people are tying to lynch me. What am I supposed to do, sit around and let people lynch me and pray someone steps in and defends me and then gets accused themselves? [EG: Serela]

Self-preservation isn't the primary aim, but as it was discussed, it is also a part of the game. It is in the town's interests to lynch scum, and part of that entails ensuring people do not lynch the townies. Lo and behold, that entails defending myself.

And I can assure you, I am a townie. The mentality 'If someone defends themselves when they are accused they are mafia' is about as logical as 'If the witch floats she is a witch and must be burnt at the stake, if not, well she's dead anyway.'. If I don't defend myself it's taken I can't argue the point or think up a reason, and that I am purposely attempting to avoid it, so I get lynched ANYWAY. Sink or Float, you're a witch either way in MotK town it seems.

But as I do that, I express several things, like I think, despite attacking me, Schezo is town. I draw parallels with ActionDan last game with Polaris' behavior. I look to the reasons behind Serela's whole chainsawing thing. If all you think I am doing is sticking my neck inside my turtleshell so it can't be wrapped around a noose, you're mistaken.

And if speaking with confidence is scummy, well, I lose all hope for you. If I speak with doubt all the time, who can I convince? People follow the confident, or do you not recall my issues with getting people to actually follow my lead and me being right about it in the end? [*cough* Serela*cough*ActionDan *cough*]

Rairai: If you're on page 2 it means the scum have already posted some bullshit rvs, so there's always something to go on. As for your lurker argument, I am pretty sure Dormio and NNR weren't lurking so etc. I'm not against lynching them at all, but I want to lynch the lurkers that are also scummy.

So... you want me to make something out of analyzing RVS.

Dormio and NNR were posting, but how much of their posts actually added something, or actively 'scumhunted' [Well they were scum so they couldn't really scumhunt]. They fell under Active Lurking, IMO.

Polaris basically has lurked so far, and then basically said 'Can't be bothered to read or give reads lol'.

Because in my opinion that's scummy as hell. And it also happens to be Zakeri's only content.

It's not scummy from my point of veiw. Especially as if we had that logic last game, it would have been an easy town win. It's more his other posts I dislike.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

It's not scummy from my point of veiw. Especially as if we had that logic last game, it would have been an easy town win. It's more his other posts I dislike.

What other posts?

Busy grinding hats, didn't really read the rest.

[Raikaria]

What other posts?

Busy grinding hats, didn't really read the rest.

Exactly

All his other posts are just RVS. No content. He's not posted for a whole day too, despite Schnzo long since stopping pushing me.

And honestly there's something I dislike about the tone of the other half of that post. Can't put my finger on it.

[WHMZakeri]

I know raeg posting and all of that, but I don't think it's very nice to request the mod to do our part for us (lynching scum).

The way I see it, Raikaria is putting in what looks like town effort to me, and Schezo is trying to press a lynch on him because the town effort is misdirected. This isn't something that I feel a townie would do. Not town = scum, thus voting Schezo.

BT's vote on Raikaria seems reasonable to me.

Raikaria was looking textbook scummy with how he phrased his unvote post.

I'm wary of people going after "Textbook" scummy because it's always a good excuse to push onto anyone who makes a silly mistake, not just scum.

Town are not the only people allowed to be wierd scum can too.  Why commit when scum can go the passive route?

I see this a lot, but the truth is that scum inherently know they're being hunted. They're more conscious of trying to look town because of this. Almost every game, someone makes the mistake of unvoting their RVS vote because it was just a random vote anyways and they don't know who scum are, and every game someone tries to punish it - Scum are always trying to avoid pointless pressure like this, which is why it's almost always a townie that gets quickwagoned when this happens.

Polly is a thing, And I want to see more of this thing today, perhaps.

[Kilgamayan]

Doxology

NekoNekoRex (3): Edible, IHNN, Pesco
Serela (3): NekoNekoRex, Raikaria, Polaris
Schezo (1): Zakeri
Zakeri (1): Schezo
Raikaria (4): BT, Dormio, Serela, Affinity
I have no name (1): Shadoweh
Not Voting (0)

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 votes to reach a majority.
12 hours left in Day 1.

I am electing to stay out of the pervading attitude issue for the time being because I have faith that it will resolve itself. If I am proven incorrect, however, I will force replace rather than modkill, since we have at least two or three people that I know are available and willing to do so. (If you are one such person and you are reading this game, keep watching, just in case.)

[Shadoweh]

Really now Shadoweh? Please tell me you understand how a game of roleplaying works. Specifically the separation of one's person from the character they pretend to be. If you don't appear to comprehend the rules, I have no qualms asking for you to be mod-removed too.

I was going to say something about crumbs but then I thought I'd just not say it and hope for the best. For all your bluster you're the one breaking character by appealing to an ooc authority over someone being frustrated with your attitude.

Rairai: Well it's okay if you don't do it now, we've moved beyond RVS. Those kinds of observations would have been fine though. Active lurking isn't the same as not-posting lurking, which is what you seem to be indicating.

Zak: If you don't like textbook scummy, what do you think of Affinity? Schezo is like super town though so you should stop voting him and come hang out on I Have No Posts.

Uuuuh so there are only 12 hours left and I kind of think these wagons are horrible, can five of you move over to I Have No PX? I promise if you go back and read his contribution it'll fill all your lurker/active lurker needs and add a slice of /care pie for dessert.

[Edible]

Hard to push a wagon on a guy who ducked out of the game to lick his wounds, so this isn't happening today.  There's very little to analyze from his posts because the majority of his content is barely game-related.  Hopefully cooler heads will prevail.

##unvote NNR

Polaris has offered precisely jack today.  Unless he gives a satisfactory explanation on his Serela vote I would lynch him.

Rereading IHNN comes across like he laid down some tracks on other people's trains of thought instead of some of his own, which does not sit well with me.  That coupled with his continued lack of posts despite claiming he would've been back by now (<_<) leads me to have to side with Shadoweh on this.

##vote IHNN

Would lynch barring further analysis of him.

Kinda wish Shadowert and Pescar would quit slapfighting; it looks like they're looking at the same issue through two different lenses or something.  Do think both have solid enough content today though; would like to see Pesco's thoughts on more peeps at some point.

Something about this from Dormio kinda gets my attention, not sure what.  Hopefully his followup has more to chew on.

Where'd BT go?

I forgot to check on Serela again.  Gah.

[BT]

Shadoweh #154, feels like scum. Feels like she finds things scummy because she can and defending Raikaria quite a bit because she can. Is Serela town or what, and why? Why is Raikaria's focus on himself a town-motivated Raikaria thing to do and not scum-motivated, considering what he's actually doing? Even as scum last game I could tell that he was saying logical things and bringing up good arguments. His play so far (in contrast or not) is weak and scummy. I don't like how you say *stuff* about NNR and *stuff* about Pesco and *stuff* about IHNN - your point about IHNN attacking people without considering their actions together is what you're doing here only that you're worse.

Schezo and Affinity pending.

Dormio #165, town.

@Edible: zzz

I got a gut town reaction from IHNN's post so I don't know. I don't think he'd resort to reading people off of "this reminds me of that one game" as scum. I could be wrong which is why I'm not telling this wagon to F off right now but eh.

I'll read more of Serela and Raikaria later. I'm noticing that they're voting eachother so that's a thing I'll check it out in a bit. I haven't read plenty of their posts properly yet. Can you two clearly state everyone you think is scum and why?

Mmm, yeah, Zak leans town, actually.

[WHMZakeri]

No, I must hold onto my probably useless and only vote.

Raikaria is town
NNR is blah
Serela is tl;dr I don't see the case on Early Serela, but that's probably bias from having the same reason as me only worded differently.
I don't like him suddenly turning on Raikaria for voteparking after agreeing that he's probably town. You say he should be voted, but does that mean you think he's scum, or...?

I suddenly realize someone will probably bring up "Weren't you just talking about how town Raikaria was looking?"

Oh. Okay. Question still stands, I guess.

Textbook scummy is the thing.  Points out stuff and agrees with stuff without actually factoring it into a meaningful vote. 

This is completely ignoring Raikaria's vote on Serela, right? FoS: Affinity

Reading Shadoweh's case: I agree that the NNR wagon is suspicious as hell considering nobody is actually voting him for being scum. I can get behind voting Pesco and Nameless (And edible I guess, but his response isn't as unjustified bandwagoning as the others) if I need to.

Zak: Are you suggesting we should randomly lynch lurkers like Raikaria wants? :V Isn't that detrimental to your lifestyle?

I need a new lifestyle anyways. Also, I'd like to object to the randomly bit, but yes, I am.

Zak: If you don't like textbook scummy, what do you think of Affinity? Schezo is like super town though so you should stop voting him and come hang out on I Have No Posts.

See above. I skipped Affinity because like I hinted at the beginning of the post, I went directly into super-skimming mode after hitting Serela's first longpost.

##Unvote: Schezo
##Vote: IHNN

Shadoweh and Edible's points won me over, since my vote was being useless anyways. It's a better bandwagon than the other ones right now.

[WHMZakeri]

BT: Can you explain your town read on Nameless better, or is it just gut with what you quoted as the source?