CAN WE PLAY MAFIA HANGMAN IN THE MEANTIME
witch hangin'
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This wouldn't be religious paranoia without a good ol'-fashioned witch hangin'. Knock yourself out.Also this is clearly a further hint about the setup telling us that Edible and Shadoweh are the scums.
see rule 2 of @winning in #motktown for detailsI'm new here what is it?
I COULD HAVE BEEN SOMEONE SPECIAAL
##VOTE: PESCOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I COULD HAVE BEEN SOMEONE SPECIAAL
##VOTE: PESCOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I spent so long waiting for the game to begin that I forgot the game began
Of course a midboss isn't important. Except who would remember TD Stage 5 without me? Certainly no-one recalls Futo.
##Unvote: Edible
##Vote: Raikaria
I don't remember stage 5 anyways.
##Vote: Raikaria
im gayOh wait that's actually me.
IT MIGHT BE HARD TO DISCERN WHO LURKERS ARE WITH ONLY A 48 HOUR DAY PHASE THOUGH!
YOU MAY AS WELL SUGGEST WE DO A POLICY LYNCH!
We need to "waste" the lunch on a lurker today since we probably won't get a good lynch as it will only be a random 1v1.
Despite me saying this I'll keep my vote parked because I don't really have a reason to vote anyone else yet.
Actually, never-mind that, I don't want a possible wagon to form on Polaris.
there was nothing for me to scumread yet, however. It's a starting point of conversation that should hopefully change the thread from RVS to actually hunting scum.Wall of bad defending bad.
Make a vote, you threaten someone actively and you can move the vote as per your 'vote hanging freely applying the different pressure'.
Not making a vote, you're being passive. Active and passive threat is better than just a passive threat yo.
Except I don't know where to put the vote. I feel bad voting people for no apparent reason. Meh, I'll get over it.Still practically in RVS, that's what you do right now
Would lynch NNR because allcaps posts makes me not want to read the post and tryharding in a way that gives scum cover noise..
YOU MIGHT BE PUSHING A LITTLE TOO HARD THERE SCHEZO BUT ON THE OTHER HAND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE IS MUCH ELSE TO PUSH AT THE MOMENT...
Your posting quirk ends immediately, please.IF DORMIO CAN DO IT SO CAN I! YAHOO-!
SERELA'S VOTE LOOKS LIKE A CHAINSAW. SHE DEFENDS RAIKARIA BUT FAILS TO GIVE A REASON WHY SCHEZO IS WORTH A VOTEIsn't "I think your vote is bad" supposed to be one of the most common reasons you vote someone ???
SERELA'S VOTE LOOKS LIKE A CHAINSAW. SHE DEFENDS RAIKARIA BUT FAILS TO GIVE A REASON WHY SCHEZO IS WORTH A VOTE. EASY JUMP THAT DOUBLES AS BUDDYING RAIKARIA. I'M GOING TO MESS UP GENDER AGAIN AND VOTE SOMEONE FOR SEEING A PSEUDO-1v1 AS A 1v1Not totally sure on Serela but early gut says likely town. Also if there's any day to lynch someone for being annoying it's D1 so I don't feel bad about this vote-helps that re-reading for other stuff that jumped out at me showed the 'chainsaw' as a reason for a vote and if voting for a vote is scummy then NNR is scummy for voting Serela for his vote.
IF DORMIO CAN DO IT SO CAN I! YAHOO-! I GET TO KEEP BEING ANNOYING YAHOO~
ALSO IF YOU WOULD RATHER ME GO BACK TO MY OLD "QUIRK" OF "GETTING ANGRY AT MAFIA AND THROWING A TANTRUM" THEN I CAN REMOVE MY FINGER FROM THE SHIFT KEY ANYTIME! YAHOO-!Yes. Yes I would actually. Because 'angry rage NNR' is a lot easier to read than 'lol CAPASLOCKSPAM NNR'. and in my opinion, a lot more fun to play with.
Yes. Yes I would actually. Because 'angry rage NNR' is a lot easier to read than 'lol CAPASLOCKSPAM NNR'. and in my opinion, a lot more fun to play with....fine, You'll earn it. At some point. Probably. And I'm going to not enjoy it as much as you hopefully will.
No.
No.
##unvote
##vote NNR
I don't play Mafia so some jerk can stomp on my fun AND make me clean it up.
##Unvote Serela, Vote Raikaria
No opinions, conversation on how conversation is good detected.
Or really, it's like he's centered around his own aruments on how what he's doing is pro-town. Stuff like "I get jumped on by people who always flip town" is also a garbage statement especially considering he avoided giving any sort of read on Schezo or anyone else. -- he calls it TvT later, nevermind
"I don't want a wagon forming on Polaris" is also interesting - what possibly made you think that way, or made you think it was a good idea to note as much?
"I feel bad voting people for no apparent reason" bit sounds like emotion candy.
Pesco avoiding the discussion with only a universally 'right' comment on NNR's capsspam and a helpful tip to Raikaria is ugh.
Serela's chainsaw defense at #85 noted. Gut is still seeing scum here. His actual reasons for defending Raikaria's behavior are flawed as well. (why wouldn't scum unvote? why would town unvote?) Crap reasons point to the same.
NNR gets the townwave for now. Trigger post is his vote on Serela for those wondering. His latest posts read town via gut so :whatever:
Zak pending. Vote not as bad as Serela's.
IHNN should be town too.
Edible and Pesco should post thoughts if they're angry at NNR for not doing the same.
Talk to me Rexy. What do you think of my post?It's decent and agreeable, I guess. Could use a more determined reasoning for your vote, it's kind of flip-floppy.
I don't see why you bother to press Rai's claim that we should be aiming for lurkers, especially considering people are still arguing in the last mafia game about punishing bad play to prevent intentional bad play.
Raikaria's logic was p.terrible but I doubt it would come from scum (at least not more likely then it would from town) and why scum would decide to be weird and unvote in almost-rvs when you can freely vote anyone is beyond me; it attracts a good bit of attention for literally no reasonOk Serela I'll remember not to push bad logic next time. Wait no, that's dumb.
I *think* Serela's logic for voting Schezo is 'Raikaria seems town and you're pushing hard on him regardless. Here's a vote to make you stop.'. It dosen't look in any way like an outright attack on Schezo, and, tbh, it's something Serela usually does.Justifying it as "oh serela" is a no no. He's still accountable for saying that.
Besides, Chainsawing is a null tell until one of the two is proven scum, according to the wiki I'm reading for the term, so it's not really that big of a deal ED1.Well you see. I disagree that him saying you would only draw attention to yourself as town and therefor has a weak reason to just have at me for pressing you.
I'm currently waiting for Pesco's next razor-sharp ~*~*~*~*~edgy~*~*~*~*~ comment/whinehard so that I can continue regretting not /outing the moment he /in'd.Stop being a baby.
Raikaria: I am attacking Serela for essentially voting to defend you instead of naming a reason he's scummy. That's the definition of Chainsawing, yeah.
Well GOSH Zach. If he was actually you know aiming for lurkers this might be a cool case. That fact that he was unvoting while expecting RVS to just end on it's own was the bulk of my push.
Ok Serela I'll remember not to push bad logic next time. Wait no, that's dumb.
And no. Town are not the only people allowed to be wierd scum can too. Why commit when scum can go the passive route?
Stop being a baby.Tell that to the people whining my ALLCAPS is hard to read?
##Vote Schezo
Raikaria's logic was p.terrible but I doubt it would come from scum (at least not more likely then it would from town) and why scum would decide to be weird and unvote in almost-rvs when you can freely vote anyone is beyond me; it attracts a good bit of attention for literally no reason
So don't gripe back NekoRex.Not griping implies I'm going to tolerate his obviously provocative posts and not care about a modkill request he made because I refused to retype posts he was too edgy to read.
You may have taken my first choice character this game Edible, but you're not taking my contributions too >:(
I'm just borrowing them!(http://i.imgur.com/x9Pn7.gif)
Why should Schezo lean town for you? I don't know his alignment and if he's not scummy, null is the best I'd allow him.
Nobody should be a town read because that just gives them leave for complacency.
IF DORMIO CAN DO IT SO CAN I! YAHOO-!You wish you were as awesome as me.
Lynch each other later. No handbag zone.Vhy and Vhen?
Serela could at least explain why he thinks the vote is bad other then saying "Rai is town, therefore Schezo is scum for voting him."
Sure you've voiced what you don't like about Raikaria's logic but why would any of this lead to voting Schezo? I think it makes more sense to have voted Raikaria than anyone else.>spend a couple sentences talking about why Raikaria doesn't look like scum
(why wouldn't scum unvote? why would town unvote?)Because scum inherently worry more about looking weird/drawing attention, usually? Empty unvoting is one of those things that people tend to inherently know Isn't The Best Idea. Scum might do it because they seriously don't know who to vote but in rvs that is so beyond not an issue. Town is IMO more likely to not be worrying so much about this. That being said, in any case it's still just ED1 logic :T
Serela could at least explain why he thinks the vote is bad other then saying "Rai is town, therefore Schezo is scum for voting him."This is what I've been saying I didn't do the whole time?? The reasons I gave for Rai not looking like scum are the reasons Schezo was using to vote him, aka I disagreed with Schezo's reasons for voting Raikaria and thought his vote was bad. (I feel weird talking like this about a vote I barely care about, which brings me to the important subject of Who I Think Should Be Voted)
It's ironic because I returned my vote to my RVS and my RVS still hasn't posted.Okay why are you still pushing your RVS vote out of people actually here? Saying it's because he's lurking is a terrible reason for the stuff I said above about going after lurkers d1 (Especially when the game started -less then 24 hours ago-) and because since Polly has not had a chance to do more then a random gamestart vote, you have literally no reason to be sitting on him over other people.
I said just the post before that I thought Schezo was town, and it was TvT. So why did Serela feel the need to chainsaw when I just said 'I think Schezo is town'.Because I don't care about your opinions on who is scum when I'm deciding who -I- think is scum. And also because why would anyone place stock in rvs reads. Still voting you because your reasoning for voting me makes no sense.
raikaria who would you vote out of people ~*~actually posting~*~
Because I don't care about your opinions on who is scum when I'm deciding who -I- think is scum. And also because why would anyone place stock in rvs reads. Still voting you because your reasoning for voting me makes no sense.
From that post it even seemed like you had a scumread on meI have no idea how saying several times "This looks like not-scum" makes multiple people think it'd make more sense for me to vote Raikaria then someone else. :fail:
Sometimes I wonder if I should just lurk.I usually lurk out ED1 because it's silly, and it's still silly now and I have no idea why I'm posting this much.
Considering Zak hasn't posted since shortly after I voted Schezo (aka Before Anything Actually Kind Of Interesting Happened) I don't care about him yet
People jumping on NNR because they want him to restate his one~three small posts in not-caps is silly, Dormio's done tons of posting quirks waaay more unreadable then this and people sometimes didn't care a whole lot. (That being said, since it's ed1 this isn't scummy-silly) My opinion on the actual posting quirk is I don't care but a lot of other people do, so ultimately it can't continue without needlessly upsetting/distracting a bunch of people from trying to play to town's wincon. It's one of the most pointless things we could be arguing about right now, y'know :derp:
As it is in MotK mafia, it seems 90% of the time the people posting and making the most effort get lynched or have to constantly fend off accusations, because they're the only ones doing anything. And that turns into 'defending scum!' accusations but since no-one else posts...
Sometimes I wonder if I should just lurk. Probably get less votes for doing that than trying to find scum and point out problems with others.
Okay well I tried to read in detail but I can't see anything that seems to be relevant so sorry everyone
So you said you were about to give a read what?
Question for the people who have a personal thoughts QT in the game: what are you posting in there that you couldn't possibly post in the game thread too if you're town?Nudes.
Raikaria if you have nothing to comment on then how do you expect me to comment on anything
if people don't play the way i think they should they should be modkilled lulzI really hope you are scum this time and not just a terrible person because Youkai Jesus fuck.
I don't see why you bother to press Rai's claim that we should be aiming for lurkers, especially considering people are still arguing in the last mafia game about punishing bad play to prevent intentional bad play.Holy shit. What the hell is this? Would like expansion on logic process.
Rairai: If you're on page 2 it means the scum have already posted some bullshit rvs, so there's always something to go on. As for your lurker argument, I am pretty sure Dormio and NNR weren't lurking so etc. I'm not against lynching them at all, but I want to lynch the lurkers that are also scummy.
Because in my opinion that's scummy as hell. And it also happens to be Zakeri's only content.
It's not scummy from my point of veiw. Especially as if we had that logic last game, it would have been an easy town win. It's more his other posts I dislike.What other posts?
What other posts?
Busy grinding hats, didn't really read the rest.
Raikaria was looking textbook scummy with how he phrased his unvote post.I'm wary of people going after "Textbook" scummy because it's always a good excuse to push onto anyone who makes a silly mistake, not just scum.
Town are not the only people allowed to be wierd scum can too. Why commit when scum can go the passive route?I see this a lot, but the truth is that scum inherently know they're being hunted. They're more conscious of trying to look town because of this. Almost every game, someone makes the mistake of unvoting their RVS vote because it was just a random vote anyways and they don't know who scum are, and every game someone tries to punish it - Scum are always trying to avoid pointless pressure like this, which is why it's almost always a townie that gets quickwagoned when this happens.
Really now Shadoweh? Please tell me you understand how a game of roleplaying works. Specifically the separation of one's person from the character they pretend to be. If you don't appear to comprehend the rules, I have no qualms asking for you to be mod-removed too.I was going to say something about crumbs but then I thought I'd just not say it and hope for the best. For all your bluster you're the one breaking character by appealing to an ooc authority over someone being frustrated with your attitude.
I suddenly realize someone will probably bring up "Weren't you just talking about how town Raikaria was looking?"Oh. Okay. Question still stands, I guess.
Textbook scummy is the thing. Points out stuff and agrees with stuff without actually factoring it into a meaningful vote.This is completely ignoring Raikaria's vote on Serela, right? FoS: Affinity
Zak: Are you suggesting we should randomly lynch lurkers like Raikaria wants? :V Isn't that detrimental to your lifestyle?I need a new lifestyle anyways. Also, I'd like to object to the randomly bit, but yes, I am.
Zak: If you don't like textbook scummy, what do you think of Affinity? Schezo is like super town though so you should stop voting him and come hang out on I Have No Posts.See above. I skipped Affinity because like I hinted at the beginning of the post, I went directly into super-skimming mode after hitting Serela's first longpost.
I commented on your lack of commenting. From Shadoweh's posts onwards it's just people repeating what they have already said.
There's several pages you cab actually give more than 1 line opinions on, and you should be able to have someone you dislike for an actual reason, not a gut feeling. Who do you think is town and why could be useful as well.
Reading Shadoweh's case: I agree that the NNR wagon is suspicious as hell considering nobody is actually voting him for being scumWhat is it with Zakeri misrepping the crap out people? Pesco and Edible gave reasons as to why they didn't like him and I found nothing disagreeable with them.
You severely underestimate the power of my intuition :v
Also despite me having so little things to read you appear to have not been reading my posts. See the post where I say that I have no reads which can be interpreted as having no scum reads. There is a difference between not wanting to give reads and not having reads to give. You are literally mudslinging. Or do you want me to start acting like scum and faking reads just so that I look productive? If you're going to make a case on me, at least do it just on "low content" as opposed to "refusing to cooperate", because the latter isn't what I'm doing at all >_>
You guys should be honored that I'm posting at 6 in the morning because I love mafia so much ugh no more time to post
Not here for deadline because of school so let's lynch serela ok!!! Unless he posts again and he looks townier in that post
Because of my amazing dedication to mafia I might be able to phone post for consolidation purposes assuming I don't utterly oppose the lynch
Stop shouting townreads everyone. I don't want death tonight. Catboi wants to live please.
Ya know when there is no danger of your townreads dying it's cool to keep that kinda stuff to yourself too.
- People knowhowwhich others won't have support to be lynched
Other advantages include but are not limited to:
- invoking complacency in the townread to not try as hard
- giving scum a comprehensive nightkill list
- missing your read and encouraging others to gloss over someone and allow scum to coast
This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg962182.html#msg962182) is even worse on the easy wagon train because it hops on Neko while mentioning that the guy who wants to push Neko as a lynch looks like scum. It's another vote for hate instead of a vote for scum.I have no read on you right Shadoweh because it would be clouded with RAGE for trying to wagon me out of nowhere.
re-reading for other stuff that jumped out at me showed the 'chainsaw' as a reason for a vote and if voting for a vote is scummy then NNR is scummy for voting Serela for his vote.
Rereading IHNN comes across like he laid down some tracks on other people's trains of thought instead of some of his ownSo I'm scummy because my independently reached thoughts match other peoples/are the commonly reached opinion. This always seems to happen because I post at a later time people think I'm copying.
However, if you actually read my post, you'd see I said this:
So if it's between me, Raikaria (who I still wouldn't vote) and Serela who I'm still shaky on then I would ##Vote Serela.
I don't remember the nameOh yeah, Shadoweh was scum and all her buddies tried to bus her and then got lynched immediately
Reasons to Lynch ZakeriNevermind I can't take that seriously. NEXT. >_>
- Continous jokevoting
- Copying my Schezo vo-
Except, well, let's look at his actual game post (the more recent one). He ignores that the people voting NNR actually have real reasons, makes a weird point on Affinity that hardly stands up (Raikaria added an imo pointless reason onto the general serela case but pretty much just sheeped chainsaw, even after arguing chainsaw wasn't scummy! <--- Reason to lynch Raikaria, but I digress; happy to get back on him if people agree) and sheeps the IHNN thing that I honestly don't agree with. (see next sentence)
I see why some people want to lynch Zak! o: I could get on board with this.
And I think IHNN's initial post that people are voting him for is actually kind of town-looking?
I Would Vote Affinity. Is there any interest in Affinity-lynching? He comes in to hop on the growing Raikaria wagon with a simple sentence or two and hasn't posted otherwise iirc (RVS doesn't count, nor does "Oh well my vote still stands, will do more later")
##Vote Affinity
And GOSH Serela we only have 6 hours and no one else has even expressed interest in Affinity lynch. And least vote Zakeri who a few others want and not waste your vote and time.
But if 16 people join who will replace them:getdown:
We have two dropouts so we're down two votes. We're going to need to be decisive to get a lynch today.Raitaki could theoretically arrive soon, although, yeah.
Everyone with a reason to vote Zak please elucidate.
Raikaria if you have nothing to comment on then how do you expect me to comment on anything
BT's vote on Raikaria seems reasonable to me.
I'm wary of people going after "Textbook" scummy because it's always a good excuse to push onto anyone who makes a silly mistake, not just scum.
Mmm, yeah, Zak leans town, actually.
Shadoweh and Edible's points won me over, since my vote was being useless anyways. It's a better bandwagon than the other ones right now.
At this point Serela is no longer my priority lynch, he's slipped a fair bit down my panties.
Hi remember last game where people refrained from quicklynching Zakeri despite how people like randomly quicklynching him because it's Day 1?Dislike mentioning last game while repeating what happened in it.
Aka Shadoweh, just because I don't mention Zakeri by name dosen't mean you can say I wasn't talking about him, since he was the topic of the Dormio quote. Or do I have to mention Zakeri by name every time I wish to talk about him, when it's already made clear by a quote?I looked back at your post immediately above it to try and find who you were talking about and it looked like Polaris. Fine, but I still disagree with you and would rather you lynch Flailicus Ohlooksomeoneelsesquickwagonicus
Why is BT's vote reasonable, especially when you say right after that you're wary of people voting Raikaria?
Again with the wagoning for the sake of wagoning. There's no commitment to the lynch because 'someone else made the points'.My case (and spiritual vote) Is on Schezo right now. If you want me to be committed, I could switch back to him.
I didn't like the placing of his first vote on Raikaria. At the time it could have stayed on for him to lurk out the day (cf Raikaria's wagon sizes over the day).Why are you still pushing this when I immediately jumped off of Raikaria and onto somebody that was voting him? More importantly, my ability to lurk has become legendary, and if I was planning to votepark on somebody, that somebody would have been Edible.
Feel free to hate IHNN though.1: Not Me Over Me is totally valid. Not the best reason, but it's a reason.
Want to say Zak is scum but he's voting me now for ~reasons~.Came before what Pesco said, and is the same thing albeit worded more poorly. However I was on borrowed time then and was 5 minutes late for class because of writing that post. Phrasing it clearer would have made me later.
...
Actually, if I'm scum for stating the reasons I came up with that happened to match other people, how is Zak not scum for saying "these people convinced to me vote for this person", which would be one less level of effort.
Why are you still pushing this when I immediately jumped off of Raikaria and onto somebody that was voting him? More importantly, my ability to lurk has become legendary, and if I was planning to votepark on somebody, that somebody would have been Edible.
Well in retrospect, voteparking on Edible would be more town inclined as Edible would never have been a potential lynch. Voteparking a possible lynch is the scummy. Granted that you jumped off Raikaria quickly, I reiterate it as part of how my decision on you being scum developed.Wouldn't spending most of the day voteparking on somebody who wouldn't even flip be more advantageous than on somebody who would?
Townreads: Raikaria, Serela, Edible
IHNN #90 is a thing.##Unvote
Absolutely nothing said in post.
Would vote.
Awaiting next post.
Pseudo votecount: I'm at L-2Says the scum :V
Raikaria and Nameless are at L-4
Polaris is the only one not voting for any of the major wagons.
What are the chances we could convince people to move onto Nameless? I'm still pretty certain he's the only scumflip in this list.
I have no name you lurking scrubLurking is deliberate not!posting. I don't think you've been reading the game, and as of right now I don't believe you are town. After all, you're only asking me for a claim and not your scumbuddy Zak (yes I know that's silly but that's seriously how I'm seeing this at the moment)
I *really* don't want Serela v IHNN D1 two games in a row.
Why? Just because it happens 2 games in a row or 100 games in a row is irrelevant.
Dormio what do you think of the Serely? You might have already said something but I'm fatally lazy.Eh, I'm not really convinced by the notion that Selery is scum so yeah.
If you want a more recent point look at his most recent post. Him calling out Shadoweh for asking only him to claim is something I don't think scum in his position would be able to do, literally.
And did you ever answer why you thought this Raikaria is town Raikaria?
Sour taste in my mouth, feels like Deja'Vu. Nogt exactly great to have the same D1 lynch options over and over and over again. At least today it's a three-way.
Wait what? How can I answer why I think I am town 0_o. Why should I have to answer that? My role PM says town, if that's what you want.That was to Shadoweh
Get over it. That's what happens when it's the same players doing the same things every Day 1.
You know, even if I weren't reading the game, I'm pretty sure I could find time to read you in specific.You don't act like you're reading it. Actually, you're reading it with extreme IHNN IS SCUM :D goggles and ignoring everything else except people defending me who *gasp* are also SCUM :D
I know people who have a saying that a claim takes a second and a fakeclaim takes stalling. Have you decided if you're going to go with VT and pray or claim a PR yet?
Hmm, not finished quite finished rereading yet, but not very happy with IHNN. His play is subpar, what with pretty bad reasons for finding people scum, such as voting NNR because of the (not completely right) "NNR votes Serela for voting Schezo so he's also scum" and voting Zakeri because "I'm scummy for sheeping -> he's scummy for sheeping", with the latter pretty much pure NMoM. I find it suspicious that out of the blue he finds Zakeri a strong scumread just because...Zakeri was doing pretty much the same things he did? Opinions on Schezo early on also pretty much disregards everything Schezo was doing at the time and the purpose behind them, then suddenly a scum lean on Schezo for no real reason. Also it's bad that he admitted Serela looked town, but would rather Serela get lynched over himself. Unless he gets significantly better and actually contribute more before getting lynched, #Vote IHNNRaitaki. Please read this post. You aren't fully up-to-speed, and your vote is likely one of the deciding votes right now. You need a full idea of what's happened, you have at least another hour.
Zakeri keeps ignoring real, non-caps-related reasons people voted NNR, so that looks kind of suspicious. His case against Schezo also hinges only on his subjective view that Schezo's pressure on Raikaria was both a genuine push for lynch and scum-motivated, got abandoned halfway for IHNN wagon, then picked up again as the IHNN wagon was starting to appeal to Schezo, so if IHNN flips scum my 2nd lynch would be right there. Otherwise, he looks null for the most part.
Everyone else is either null or leaning town. Unless I'm mistaken there is about an hour left until deadline, so hopefully I finish rereading before then.
Cut by 25 posts, what
celery i guess
Well if you insist. I have no desire to lynch zucchini and it looks like scum is wagoning on him.
I don't think Affinity has said anything to defend you so the second isn't true.
Zak, claim.
Man Raikaria needs to stop taking absolutely everything at face value.
Zakeri keeps ignoring real, non-caps-related reasons people voted NNR, so that looks kind of suspicious.I've actually acknowledged that Pesco and Edible have provided real, justified reasons for the vote.
I don't think his profile every says Online.
Is everyone reading my arguments for IHNN Town and telepathically agreeing that I suck at a mafia game? Because I don't see anything.
Is everyone reading my arguments for IHNN Town and telepathically agreeing that I suck at a mafia game? Because I don't see anything.
Eh? What's not credible?
Fine.
I claim Vanilla Townie.
..as should have been obvious
Pesco it might be because I did feel more secure about the first post
I explained both, so you're saying I'm not credible just for that?
cut, twice, was meant to be straight after polly's post
Serela's light has been on for the past two hours
There should have been a lot of flags going off about how IHNN's handled the past hour or so. Please hammer.Please explain how flailing is scummy.
Just saying the odds of me getting off you Zakeri dramatically increase if you claim.Stop making me want to wagon you too
Of course, there are other people voting you as well to convince. The path is up to you. Right now it looks like scum stalling because they can't think up a fakeclaim.
...Actually, if you guys are unhappy with the stalling, I can just put IHNN back to L-1 for hammering.
Seeing the vote count highlights something to me about Zak only wanting to claim at L-1. He needs a full consolidation from BT and Raitaki to get there. Since Raitaki first gave preference to voting IHNN, it's a safe gamble.
Push him there. Call his bluff. If Zak flips scum then I would say Shadoweh is also scum from interactions for the reasons I've mentioned.
So, the realistic odds of the Zakeri lynch considering that fact?
I still would rather lynch Zakeri. Especially after IHNN claimed and he refuses to do so.
I think people should have the right to be cagey about their role without being implicated as "omg clearly making up a fakeclaim". `_`
Let's not play "will the mod count it?" and hammer the lynch already. Fuck.Yes let's lynch Zakeri.
Character: Shou Toramaru (Buddhism)
Alignment: Town
Role name: Vanilla Townie
Role abilities: N/A
Is NNR scumhunting? Refer to Edible's reason to stay voting him and you'll see a no.The second half of this in particular is suspect. Pesco basically wound NNR up so tightly that NNR couldn't even look at the game anymore, and he's trying to paint this as scum-activelurking style.
Is NNR being helpful to town? We have a time limit and he'd rather take a leave from the game for a while, so that's a no too.
We've got a lucky night it seems. And what second lynch...?
- NEW! Whenever town or scum forgoes their faction kill (the lynch, in town's case), the other faction gains a bonus faction kill to be used during the next phase only. This bonus kill, if not used, will not be given back to the first faction in the sequence.
It's something like he was cheerleading the Zak wagonbut no one was voting zak ???
Dormio why do you do this to meBecause hats.
I don't see why you bother to press Rai's claim that we should be aiming for lurkers, especially considering people are still arguing in the last mafia game about punishing bad play to prevent intentional bad play.This statement, as I said yesterday, bugs me a lot.
The way I see it, Raikaria is putting in what looks like town effort to me, and Schezo is trying to press a lynch on him because the town effort is misdirected. This isn't something that I feel a townie would do. Not town = scum, thus voting Schezo.I dunno about you but this looks like complete bs to me.
My case (and spiritual vote) Is on Schezo right now. If you want me to be committed, I could switch back to him.The following bugs me too.
I still disagree with everything Schezo said, but it's only one point against him, and I'm not gonna continue pushing ED1 cases alone.I dunno.
Even with this read I don't think Edible is scum, and he's definitely not scum if Pesco is.
##Vote Serela
First off I would like to formally accuse Serela of lurking.
Raikaria keeps regurgitating other people's words and it's kind of gross. Like there was that whole "stalling makes you look scummy!!!!!" thing that he figured he had to repeat near the end of D1 towards Zak even though it was stated several thousand times earlier. And the part where Raikaria pushes the chainsaw thing on Serela for several thousand posts when it was Schezo or someone who originally brought it up. I don't think it's necessarily scummy on its own but I'm mentioning it now for future reference.
This post[/url] seems a bit scummy though. Raikaria what made you suddenly decide that Serela was less of a priority?
Raikaria is this your first scum game or have you played as scum before?
but no one was voting zak ???
Postlude
Serela (1): BT
Raikaria (1): Affinity
I have no name (7): Shadoweh, Edible, Zakeri, Schezo, Dormio, Polaris, Raitaki
Zakeri (4): Pesco, Raikaria, Serela, IHNN
Not Voting (0)
##Unvote
##Vote IHNN
Eh, I'm not really convinced by the notion that Selery is scum so yeah.
Man Raikaria needs to stop taking absolutely everything at face value.
Note his reason for voting IHNN was 'absolutely nothing' in #90. Which implies no scumslips either. So why was IHNN so voteworthy then...Are you serious here lol?
This is Dormio's post for voting IHNN and flipped from Zakeri to IHNN for no apparent reason. He quotes his own earlier post, saying IHNN #'90 is a thing, because 'absolutely nothing' is said in it, which implies nothing of value too. This is at post 250+, and IHNN has posted since then. Dormio proceeds to ride the wagon and lurk pretty hard the rest of the day.Vat? How is there no apparent reason? I expressed dislike of IHNN's post #90. I would have voted him right there but I felt like keeping my vote on you instead.
More things without *~reasons~*. Note Serela is a wagon aside IHNN at the time.How the fuck does stating disinterest in a different wagon make me scummy?
Not contentIt... wasn't meant to be content?
Dormio voted a townie for an unexplained, strange reason and rode the wagon all the way.Voting someone for contributing nothing isn't really that strange imo.
Also he gave no reason for jumping off me onto IHNN. So, Dormio, what suddenly changed your mind?IHNN's refusal to produce seemed worse to me than your tryharding and weird logic that I can't follow.
Note his reason for voting IHNN was 'absolutely nothing' in #90. Which implies no scumslips either. So why was IHNN so voteworthy then...
Considering the only thing even close to a reason you gave in your quote was 'absolutely nothing in #90', and that is as far as you went to explaining your reasons when you randomly flipped from me, and then you proceeded to lurk, yes, I am serious.By are you serious, I was talking about the logic you were using but whatever.
Note his reason for voting IHNN was 'absolutely nothing' in #90. Which implies no scumslips either. So why was IHNN so voteworthy then...Really?
You realize you could have, and probobly should have, actually explained that at the time, right?Hats.
Hats.
Just idle.Hats.
6: Funnily enough Shadoweh parked her vote since #154 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.150.html). Also, look. Does Shadoweh actually give a reason? Shadoweh just calls it the vote she wanted since the start, and her reasons are *riding NNR wagon*. OK, but I voted NNR too, and you were voting me before Shadoweh. So what about that made IHNN a better lynch than me? That's right folks. Shadoweh was sitting on a 'RVS' riding the IHNN wagon all game.That's some amazing revisionist history you little carp, I never voted IHNN on RVS and the reason you're talking about is in the post you're trying to damn me with. The part where I reasoned why I wasn't voting you or even considering you as a scumread at the time is in that same post too. I didn't want anyone else as a lynch because I thought he was scum and you can't get a lynch without pushing with confidence. I don't take my vote off someone unless they can make me think they're town, and it wasn't happening.
Alright, I've just finished my pot of coffee, it's 7am and I'm in a miserable mood.
Rereading IHNN comes across like he laid down some tracks on other people's trains of thought instead of some of his own, which does not sit well with me. That coupled with his continued lack of posts despite claiming he would've been back by now (<_<) leads me to have to side with Shadoweh on this.
##vote IHNN
Would lynch barring further analysis of him.
Reread Zakeri. I'd still prefer IHNN over him. Will vote him if necessary for deadline to secure a lynch, but not before.
Both of them should prooooobably claim though.
Edible, the post you quoted that "feels like a whole lot of nothing" is what made me townread Dormio because it's extremely alike how I felt. It doesn't seem like he just stockpiled reasons to vote Raikaria (I guess you're assuming he's town here) but rather got them naturally and him suspecting the "normal" survivalist mentality as fake is exactly what went through my mind as well - because, well, it felt fake. I think Dormio is more of an easy vote than scummy at this point and I don't get why you completely forget about people like Serela - feels odd that you'd focus on the main characters of last day and Dormio who has just about the same level 'tier' of participation as Serela, and not anyone else of the same 'tier' (Serela, NNR/Raitaki, Affinity/Lect, possibly more but they're [duh] inactive and looking at the playerlist is hard), or something like that. Oh yeah, there's Shadoweh. What about Shadoweh?
Your face is wrong and scum.
You're a weird kid Rairai. Are you sure you've read Edible's posts to make sure he didn't answer whatever you're accusing him of before voting him? What do you think of his Dormio vote?
STOP CUTTING ME I SWEAR I WILL END YOU
That's why I want Edibibl to explain why IHNN over Zakeri, if he thought both were good enough to lynch. I didn't re-read Edibil right after waking up, like I did you.
Well there's still some time left so
Zakeri, can you elaborate more on your cases on Schezo?
...Actually, if you guys are unhappy with the stalling, I can just put IHNN back to L-1 for hammering.
I doubt Zakeri would claim today. Doesn't really look all that likely he's getting lynched today. As town it'd be in his interest to not reveal his role early, and as scum there's no reason stalling for time to think up a fakeclaim if you can just claim VT, which is a pretty modest claim and virtually impossible to be proven fake without night actions.
It could have also been that scum didn't want to kill to throw off any potential trackers on Zakeri, due to the suspicion on him.
We also know this is not the case because town was not given 2 lynches today. The kill was definitely attempted and blocked by some means.
Claims heavy scumread on Zakeri here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg962373.html#msg962373) but follows up with a vote on his much weaker-sounding IHNN logic two posts later (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg962546.html#msg962546).This is probably the most damning thing ever. Because at the time of his vote
Serela (2): Raitaki, PolarisHe was still voteparking Raikaria until the utter last second of the day and made IHNN both a viable alternate wagon and potentially saved Zakeri scum but either way I want Dormio gone before Zach even if I'm fine with them both dying. Though if one is town it's probably Zakeri because his day 2 case on Zach (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg963014.html#msg963014) doesn't take into account we had already gotten past Zakeri's early day 1 case and why is was lame but Dormio makes these stale points the bulk of his case when a lot more legitamite and better points could come from his behavior at the end of the day. Which is HUH not mentioned at all? Not a genuine case as the other better points like the voteparking could have been made but nosireebob.
Raikaria (3): BT, Dormio, Affinity
I have no name (3): Shadoweh, Edible, Zakeri
Zakeri (5): Pesco, Schezo, Raikaria, Serela, IHNN (L-2)
Not Voting (0)
With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 votes to reach a majority.
Just under 4 hours left until the end of Day 1
You've been flopping between quite a few people today, Raikaria. Are you only putting pressure, or do you have a real scumread on any of them?
Raikaria is gay for backing off Dormio (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg963021.html#msg963021) after his big case which consisted of quoting Edible.but not as gay as meHe also doesn't bring up how bad Dormio's Zach case is when he decides to push Dormio scum anyway so this is the stuff I'm coming back to when Dormio flips scum.
"I am taking lessons from Pesco." (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg963059.html#msg963059)scumslip omg
Why the heck are people pressing me for getting the lynch through at ten minutes to deadline >_> It's a null action and you can't call me scummy for it. Choose something else to nitpick.
Events happening at the time in general. You and Zakeri just became more important lynches. You for lack of contribution, and Zakeri for the same point, as well as a couple of things in your behaviors throughout the game as well that I found odd.
oh yeah I forgot to mention this
do you have any specific reason for dropping serela y/n
like, you showed how zak and I were scummy, but that doesn't explain why serela became less scummy.
@Raikaria: Speaking of which, what do you think of Serela now? She just sort of dropped from your radar, it seems.
Serela didn't become less scummy.
You and Zakeri became more scummy.
Not when you've been non-existent and happen to pop up at that time. If it was someone who was actually contributing at that time, it would be null.
You're avoiding my question.
Town would have contributed long before only coming in at a convenient time. Even in my explanation of what it would take to get Zak to L-1, I had already discarded the possibility of you being helpful to the lynch.
It's not avoiding your question. Your question is invalid. How does saying why town would not pop up when the exact same logic applies to scum?
well if we no lynched then scum would get an extra nightkill, and that means a guaranteed town kill vs. a possible scum kill so it is always optimal for town to ensure that a lynch happens every day.
also pesco I am afraid I cannot provide you with what you want from me, so there you have it :L Zak just seems town to me.
Claims heavy scumread on Zakeri here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg962373.html#msg962373) but follows up with a vote on his much weaker-sounding IHNN logic two posts later (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg962546.html#msg962546). Extremely sketchy.
I challenge anyone who is wavering on Dormio's scum status to attempt to find anything but scum motivation behind the above point, explained further by Schezo here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg963120.html#msg963120).
This is an open and shut case, people.
Pesco: Is an acceptable substitute to lynching Zak today getting him to claim? This wagon's at L-1 and it hasn't even been 24 hours since the day started.
Eugh. Zak - capitalizing on NNR taking a break after he submitted to "your fault" deserves scrutiny but I don't think it's something I haven't seen before. Considering this is your only point, what about the rest of Pesco's play? Why is Edible less scummy for tagging along and why is he "definitely" not scum if Pesco is? Why did you focus on the NNR wagon and not the IHNN wagon (at all) when the same people ended up on it / for it anyway? Do you think it was town-motivated or not?The rest of Pesco's play is just pushing for my lynch, which I commented on as much as I could yesterday. They way he gets a read on me is weird, but it's Pesco Flavor-weird, so it's a nulltell.
1: Raitaki says he will hammer IHNN if need be. Polaris then shows up and votes IHNN for no apparent reason. Could be scum hopping on a townie lynch which a 'If I have to hammer...' was expressed. Of course, could be 'Last 10 mins' thing too, but worth pointing out.Looking at the last ten minutes of a wagon is pointless, since everyone is given equal reason to press the lynch onto a townie at that close to deadline- even people that were speaking up for their towniness beforehand.
If I hadn't been cut 17 times before the hammer told me to shutup I would have said not claiming until the next day is okay. It's the next day, and your starter kind of pretends that whole thing never happened,I kind of want to pretend it didn't happen, to be honest.
Not liking how people are dodging the curvy laser that is Zak's scummyness.I had four votes on me at the time this was posted (More than anybody else) And the reason I was being 'ignored' was because people were pressing their other scumreads.
Once a night I can use my intuition to confirm a person's alignment. I can investigate anyone that isn't Dormio, Polaris, or Serela.
Last night I investigated Schezo, and he came back town.
The thing is without that confirmation, I'd probably be tearing into his vote on IHNN, especially considering half of his reason for the switch involved using scumflips that he didn't have in order to justify jumping off of my wagon.
Re: Whatever Bledibleh is saying about me voting for IHNN over Zakeri.
So? I can't find more than one person to be scummy at the same time?
I guess Raymoo hates the Moriya shrine?
That is so completely not it at all <_<I dunno. The main thing in regards to me saving Zakeri or w/e is that I just wanted IHNN gone more than Zakeri.
Massive facepalm at copping the obvtown ;_;He wasn't obvtown to me.
Wait. You -specifically- can't copy Dormio/Polaris/Serela? That seems random.
Anyway, mulling over, I think we need Zakeri gone to clear up about three threads, and he's frankly either scum or dead weight right now. From what I've seen lurky Zakeri is generally scum Zakeri anyway. It would make figureing out Shadoweh and Polaris' defense of Zakeri a lot easier.Bad. You're trying to justify his flip in that it will help you find others instead of getting him as the scum.
##Vote: Zakeri
As you can see, Zakeri, the town is willing to put you at L-1 now.What is this? Really.
I dunno why people discredit D1 stuff so much when it is still stuff that happened.It's not a bad case because it's day one stuff.
I challenge anyone who is wavering on Dormio's scum status to attempt to find anything but scum motivation behind the above point, explained further by Schezo here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg963120.html#msg963120).Just wondering, but what would the scum motivation be?
This is an open and shut case, people.
Dormio can you just post a list of reads and some lines for detail or something?Because I'm just sitting in town and regenning for now I guess I can provide an o
>spend a couple sentences talking about why Raikaria doesn't look like scum
>vote raikaria
Wut?
I think Serela just intentionally ignored me so I vote we lynch himThe post before that, this was all that Polaris said about Serela:
Not here for deadline because of school so let's lynch serela ok!!! Unless he posts again and he looks townier in that post
He didn't look townier in the new posts so I chose to reiterate that I wanted to lynch him `_`Even now you still haven't given any reasons other than :gut: and accusations of lurking (as in "Serela is lurking fullstop"). Of course it'd look fishy.
gosh if Dormio and Polaris both flip scum I'm going to get lynched so hardwhich implied that you still thought Dormio was town, thus making you think that you would be "lynched so hard" if Dormio flipped scum `_`
The claim isn't good enough as I said before. Too late, too conveniently conditional and too unconfirmable.
You say later in your reply to Raikaria that you "compared A to B" and chose IHNN over Zak - why can't you share those A's and B's?
About Shadoweh, do you read her one way or another?
Just wondering, but what would the scum motivation be?
Bledibleh: Is my lord and saviour, cannot vote on grounds of heresy.
@Zak: I must ask that if you live through the day, do not divulge who you are planning on checking tonight.
but after you vote Dormio you say this:which implied that you still thought Dormio was town, thus making you think that you would be "lynched so hard" if Dormio flipped scum `_`...By that I mean I keep doing double takes on you guys and starting out with "weeeeeell he doesn't look really scummy to me..."
For example, in this one, he basically says some variant of "hey, do you guys want to lynch X? If you do, that'd be great, I'm in" for three different people. He then goes on to vote for the person out of his three people who is the least likely to be lynched, as Schezo pointed out. He later decides to reiterate his beliefs a couple of posts later. That whole thing makes me feel like he wanted to get a wagon to form on Raikaria or Zak so that he could jump on it at an appropriate time that doesn't look scummy.A.This is called "I have scumreads and I want them lynched, here is why I think they are scum, do you want to lynch them with me"
Wait, where was I? Oh yeah. Pesco/Polly favored lynches. Also Zakeri.Wow! I posted without editing this, which I typed way before the post was actually done and I went back and edited all sorts of things.
It's more that I would really prefeer that he were nightkilled.But then if you expect it and then scum go against your expectations dumb things and paranoia happen which leads to nothing getting done fast anywhere.
He wasn't obvtown to me.
The stated reason why I can't is because Moriya Shrine is always guilty forever anyways. I suppose I could still technically try, but I'm not going to waste an investigation on confirmed paranoid results.
Unless the scumteam literally is Dormio/Polaris/Serela, but that seems weird and not something a reasonable mod like Kilga would ever do.
Chill Schezo I'll get around to reading people when you update monopoly.So never right
Why the fuck is there still a wagon on Zak when no one's counterclaimed him?
We really lose nothing by holding off on a Zak lynch. Worst case scenario, he's scum and we lynch him later. Best case scenario, he's a cop and we get at least one cleared town (Schezo) or two (plus one confirmed town) if for whatever reason scumteam doesn't axe him tonight. Sorry Pesco, can't agree with you on this one.
@Zak: I must ask that if you live through the day, do not divulge who you are planning on checking tonight.
It's more that I would really prefeer that he were nightkilled. That's probably weird to hear but it's his fault for not being my disciple.
Well if you're endangering me you'll know from the bullet in your head tonight
Honestly I don't see what Dormio's doing that's any different then what he normally does. Same with Serela, he's pretty obvtown so I don't get why he's even a wagon still. (Dormio: Have you ever known Serela to be convinced of anything?)
Pesco: It's not that hard to analyze since two of the three are the leading wagons. As far as limitations to powers goes though it makes sense that he can't cop anyone of his own alignment that he 'trusts'. It does imply that one of them are scum though.
Rairai, why would a post talking about why we shouldn't lynch Zak be a reason there's still a wagon on Zak <_< Also that was a response to BT. And in my experience being protected has never stopped anyone from dyingunless they're Kiro.
Raikaria parroting me too much.
Scum have every motivation to secure a mislynch. I assumed this one was self-explanatory; we're talking about someone who flipped town. Again, ask yourself - what town motivation would he have?You know, I'm getting really annoyed by this because you and others sound really nitpicky. This sounds like the only reason you have for voting Dormio (the others are either indicative of bad play in general or have been addressed by myself and I'm assuming your lack of response means you agree) and if that's the case... *reads some parts of D1 and Dormio's ISO* Meh, you guys are still blowing things out of proportion. I think it's possible that the point he made regarding Zak just slipped past him at the time and in comparison he 'established' Raikaria->IHNN in the bigger post. Though today he says that he found IHNN scummier than Zakeri. Dormio why didn't you have anything to say to the Zak wagon at all? You did notice that it EXISTS, right?
Same with Serela, he's pretty obvtownWhere the bleep are you getting this from
@ The cop claim: I call BS. Why would you have copped Schenzo? He was called out multiple times by multiple people to be a townread. He was not a priority lynch. Also it *happens* that your claim covers the other obvious scumreads, although you could have easily checked, I don't know the Affinity Slot?!He was biased @ the Schezo slot so he copped it.
The whole Moriya Shrine excuse looks like rubbish. Reimu dislikes the Buddhists and Taoists just as much. By that logic all she should be able to check is Marisa. Maybe if it was just Kanako was was guilty always then it would be a different story.It fits the religion gimmick to have a role that is limited based on those groups. There's nothing illogical in considering the direct competitors cheaters here.
Serela trying to explain that Dormio's IHNN>Zak thing isn't as big of a deal earlier and that not copping Affinity @ Zak isn't as big of a deal right now while finding both lynchworthy sounds like helpful scum who knows they're town and therefore is more likely to see + explain the other side of the coin. He apparently found IHNN town too and I'm pretty sure he didn't try to stop that wagon at all (didn't read but pretty sure and YET AGAIN, he was totally online before deadline to say something for a few hours). (I know I fit the 'opposes popular reads' criteria too but I'm on fire this game and Serela is just super scummy and is keeping their lynches [very] open simultaneously [they being Zak, Dormio and formerly IHNN in case I'm making a big mess here])
Why would you have copped Schenzo? He was called out multiple times by multiple people to be a townread. He was not a priority lynch. Also it *happens* that your claim covers the other obvious scumreads, although you could have easily checked, I don't know the Affinity Slot?!Because I though Schezo was scum, and also because nobody else did.
No need to mention the people that I don't see the need for attantion on yet.How is this not suspicious as hell? Especially considering it misses the entire point of why Affinity was a good investigation over night one?
See, things like this make me want to throw rope at Serela. This is good. Everyone read this.That's ... actually super good point. I'm gonna go back and reread Serela.
Also, I'm not sure why pesco thinks that lecithul's activity makes up for affinity, because I don't think those two posts he made are really all that great.Oh yeah, this is a good point.
Re:Dormio isn't scum with serela, I thought initially that zak's restriction meant that there was only one scum in the three and serela was that one scum, but I'm beginning to wonder if the restriction is just arbitrary since kilga rolled alignments independent of religion. So it's a weak pont to make I guess. Honestly I just don't feel dormio is scum right now.no. You didn't.
Still, Zakeri seems to know it was a mistake not checking Affinity now at least... if he's legitimate, Which I still doubt.Playstyle differences aren't a mistake since ill follow my reads as cop any day and not feel bad about it. Are there multiple ways to handle it? Yes. But it shouldn't be frowned upon to follow ones reads.
Pesco: Since when did you care what I think before doing something? Is there a reason you're afraid to vote Polaris by yourself?
Also, I'm not sure why pesco thinks that lecithul's activity makes up for affinity, because I don't think those two posts he made are really all that great. Lecithul should post more at least. The only redeeming thing is that he's voting Serela with me :v
Like Shadoweh mentioned, Pesco going "ladies first" is really weird and completely contradicts his d1 point about getting a wagon started on your own instead of waiting for others to do it for you. Should probably read pesco again at a later point.
QuoteNo need to mention the people that I don't see the need for attantion on yet.How is this not suspicious as hell? Especially considering it misses the entire point of why Affinity was a good investigation over night one?
Playstyle differences aren't a mistake since ill follow my reads as cop any day and not feel bad about it. Are there multiple ways to handle it? Yes. But it shouldn't be frowned upon to follow ones reads.
Dormio why didn't you have anything to say to the Zak wagon at all? You did notice that it EXISTS, right?At the time... kind of. I didn't really pay attention to it.
Dormio RE: Raitaki what do you think of this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg963248.html#msg963248) post?I dunno. I mean it's just him restating my opinion.
active lurking?Eh?
Zakeri (1): Dormio
Zakeri is at L-2!
I have no idea what you're talking about.
The bit on Dormio (and Raikaria) seems to have come from nowhere when I look at Serela's posts in isolation. Scrolling even further back to look at his voting pattern for the day, it's been Polaris -> Zak -> me.Raikaria was the person I was voting d1 until having to get off for sake of voting someone who could actually get lynched. Updating my opinion on who was presumably a big thing for me is important, yo! Polaris, admittedly, uh, I was under the effects of sleep deprivation and got wrapped up in "Why the heck is up with your vote on me" >_>; After I was not acting crazy I went back to voting Zak.
Also by the way Zakeri how is that reread goingI'm working on it.
We wouldn't be having this much of a lurker problem is people stopped shouting 'We're not lynching X today' all the time. Because while we're not lynching said person, they're also not posting.It really hurts to be cut by something like this while making a post like this.
Zak seriously needs to die.
No you shouldn't be worried because he's forever scum to your supposed role conditions. It's also bugging me that since you knew you can't cop someone, why not have spent more effort on both days pressing them into letting you form a read on them. I've said it already and I'll say it again that this is a serious hole in the claim that people are letting you live on.
Didn't use it night 1 because, y'know, day 1 is always a thing and well-informed decisions are good and such.
As for the quote, the first > was what I did and the second > was what Pesco said was would would have made more sense for me to do to follow up. The point was that it didn't make sense. (Although, I'm not sure how this is very relevant to much anymore)Oh okay, I just came across that when I was reading day 1 and didn't get who/what you were referring to.
There was a lot of ??? and hate flowing your way D1, you had three potential vig targets (you claimed to hate zak, polaris, and raikaria iirc) last night and chose not to use your claimed nightvig because you wanted to make a well-informed decision....there was?
...there was?
The wagon on me mostly melted before very far in.
Zakeri was obviously going to get wagoned d2 start, so he'd be a waste of a vig. I didn't seriously consider Polaris as bad until I started reading D2 (And even then, after I stopped being sleep deprived I came to the conclusion it wasn't a very strong scumread) and well Raikaria is a legit point but I figured there'd be no issue waiting until n2 :T Turns out to be a good thing because ho boy, claiming vig when your kill was the only death at night, that'd sure be great >_> I guess I could have claimed vanilla instead of that happened...
Serela, let's say you get to live with this sweet death you're promising, who exactly is on your death list now?Who have I expressed as thinking as being scummy in some capacity? Well there you go.
Zak: Somehow I think if Serela were scum you wouldn't have to worry about his buddies not bussing him. In fact if you really feel that way about Pesco, he's right there isn't he?Tired posting. I wanted to go back and see Pesco's vote on Serela as well as Serela's opinion on Pesco. But I also wanted to sleep.
Turns out there's really nothing worth commenting on pre-flip.
It's strange that you would accept the logic as townsourced, and then turn around and put a vote on him while explaining why the same logic is anti-town.Nope. The reasons I voted Raikaria are completely different from the reasons I earlier said he looked townie.
Also strange is that you tell Raikaria to find reasons for voting someone that was posting, exactly one post after he did just that, which you immediately discarded on basis of "I don't want to think about it right now."
Can you explain what changed between those posts to cause that reaction beside "Not taking stock in RVS votes"?
202 - What the hell happened to Kilga?rofl
- 203 - Serela talks about why I could be scum, including laughing at my reasons for voting Affinity, which included punishing for "Textbook scummy" and for using excuse-like-reasoning to vote Raikaria that I didn't think was even true.
- Then he tries to start a wagon on Affinity by saying he only jumped on Raikaria for a case that was only one sentence long. So let me puzzle this out - You didn't like my weird point against him, which means you didn't object to anything he said, just the fact that he only posted one line?
- Even weirder is that you spend most of the post calling Raikaria scum, so why did you vote affinity if he was voting for the right choice in your opinion?
I'm not going to say the same as everyone else has about Serela for the 10th time.Serela is indeed being Serela. Are you trying to win the award for weakest wagon dismissal?
However, I still think the Dormio case is stronger right now. I just can't help but think... Serela is being Serela, which makes it somewhat null.
Would lynch Serela, but prefer Dormio still.
I dunno. I mean it's just him restating my opinion.Nah, I pointed out that post to you because it doesn't seem like a fake 'read', regardless of alignment. Just poking around. You think he's just scummy or there might as well be scum here?
It's like the NNR/Raitaki slot is so intent on looking as scummy as possible. It's screwing with me man.
He even posts several times afterwords without commenting on Zak/IHNN at all.He posted twice, not to mention bolded font. Why is this point so crucial, apparently strong compared to the IHNN/Zak comparison that "isn't as horrible as other people say"? It sounds like suddenly Dormio is bad because he needs to be bad.
@BT: Reads? Let's see, Dormio and Zakeri look scum. Shadoweh, Raikaria and Schezo look town. Everyone else is at various levels of null.Shadoweh looks town?
...
BT why did you feel the need to suddenly post that list of reads, and how is Dormio being deliberately unhelpful (if I'm following you correctly) not an awful thing to do as town?
Raitaki's*
Hopefully the only time this game
As awkward as it is to pick between them, I would have to say Serela's content is objectively better, and Dormio's posting does kind of remind me of him from last game. Though he wasn't scum there..Okay nevermind this tops Raikaria's shit. Have his award.
Lecithul has been prodded for inactivity. He will be modkilled if he has not posted something meaningful by the end of the day. ("Prod dodge, will post later" is not meaningful.)I think I love you. As a mod.
With regards to Serela v. Dormio, I feel that Serela's response to my concerns was adequate and I don't think that his posts today have been scummy. On the other hand, Dormio's Day 1 was really off so I think that out of these two, I'd rather have Dormio lynched today.Have anything to say about other peoples' arguments? Are you reading those, perhaps?
That's not entirely true, after shooting he'd be a vig that we know exists because a bunch of people died. Edible, why would he have shot a possible PR on Night 1? Not that Serela isn't capable of that, but I don't think waiting for a claim is crazy. Serela, let's say you get to live with this sweet death you're promising, who exactly is on your death list now?I find it exceptionally smelly that you've yet to really address your Serela townread (??) as far as I remember and you let him get away with this stuff instead of pressuring him. ("this stuff" being his display of pretty much n (n->o) reads)
Who have I expressed as thinking as being scummy in some capacity? Well there you go.I won't give you my reads because UH I BLAME SCUM
I'm not narrowing it down any more then that because :thingsscumdoesn'tneedtoknow:
I wish to give Serela a chance to post. We are not near the deadline yet after all. If the post and reasons are not satisfactory, after re-reading the cases and Serela's posts multiple times to make sure, I will hammer.
Holy crap Raikaria talking about hammering when Shadoweh hasn't even posted and neither of us have claimed D:
deadline that's 4.5 hours away
That page was hidden from normal user view for a reason. >_>
Is there any real reason to delay a lynch further?
##unvote
I guess Dormio gets another day to convince me he's not scum.
I'm confused, you ask if there's a reason to delay a lynch further then you take Dormio off L-1.
My gut says of the two Dormio is more likely scum. Especially with my 'Let Serela shoot Lecithul' idea. However, I am at this point ready to swing both ways.Yeah, it didn't, because claim shenanigans have nothing to do with gut.
That did not sound right.
The fact that Raikaria wasn't getting lynched yesterday had nothing to do with my last bit. I'm asking if you think Raikaria could be scum with Affinity's slot or not.
Raikaria:You can suggest anything after-the-fact whether you're town or scum, because it's already too late.
I'm not the one suggesting you're scum with affinity, I was trying to get Serela to clear up the vote on day one.
Wait, you mean you're suggesting that I was saying that d1?
I'm not so silly as to suggest scumteams seriously d1.
OK, now I'm even more confuzzled by what's going on now.ME TOO
Especially affinityOkay, now I feel super dumb.
Serela, stop bussing affinity's playerslotDid I mention especially me, too
Especially affinityBut Affinity hasn't even been here, let alone bussing!
Your day 2 is better in that it's not as scum as day one was - it's null, not town.Read my posts.
I don't really have much else to say.
SERELA DOESN'T WANT TO TALK TO MEHE REALLY DOESN'T
Scum totally bus eachother all the time especially in motk.This is, like, dumb though.
Well, I don't think the Dormio lynch is happening now, Edibibl seems to want Serela lynched right now, and... well, I guess any nightshooting by sheer statistics is bad for town in most cases.Theory Talk: Town-controlled shots are ALWAYS good because it means flipping a lurker / controversial dude, which is essentially another lynch.
Theory Talk: Town-controlled shots are ALWAYS good because it means flipping a lurker / controversial dude, which is essentially another lynch.
My theory is simply odds of hitting scum v odds of hitting town, which is always less than 50%.Maybe we shouldn't lynch either since it will always have a less than 50% chance of getting scum. \o/
I feel exactly the same way Raikaria does on this. Both are scum, but the only thing Serela has on Dormio is if we forced him to eliminate a null slot.Then why aren't you voting for Dormio instead of me?!
Why would you bother trying to convince us to go another day without lynching you if you've already used your power?BECAUSE I THINK DORMIO IS SCUM DUH. >:T
:derp:
Character: Suwako Moriya (Shinto)
Alignment: Town
Role name: Vanilla Townie
Role abilities: N/A
You win when all threats to town have been completely eradicated. Good luck!
---
At least, that's what you want everyone to think.
Character: Nue Houjuu
Alignment: Scum
Role name: Assassin
Role abilities: As someone with NO INTEREST IN BUDDHISM you're all for causing mischief and twisting the religious ass sticks, so when a couple of other people approached you with a plan to crash the party, you happily joined in.
Each night, you may go on your faction's kill. In addition, twice throughout the game, you may add a special little something to your kill. You may boost your kill using one of the following four options:
- Docbust: Your kill cannot be stopped by protective roles.
- Shadow: Your movement cannot be detected by action-detecting roles.
- Janitor: The dead player's public flip will be censored. Only you will learn their true role.
- Poison: The player will not die until the following night. They will not be told they have been poisoned.
However, you feel a bit bad about betraying your Myouren Temple mates, so while your tactical espionage skills are second-to-none, you're not going full bore on this. In order to make it worth your while to use these specialized skills, one of your allies must ##Pay you that same night in lieu of taking a night action of their own, and you know they only have enough money to pay you twice.
Character: Byakuren Hijiri (Buddhism)
Alignment: Town
Role name: Vanilla Townie
Role abilities: N/A
You win when all threats to town have been completely eradicated. Good luck!
---
At least, that's what you want everyone to think.
Character: Seiga Kaku (There you go, it all worked out!)
Alignment: Scum
Role name: Priest
Role abilities: As the master of an omnivorous jiangshi, every night you may target one other player and have your trust minion Yoshika eat any special skills they may have, rendering them unable to take an action that night. In addition, as a master of jiangshi, period, you are able to temporarily raise the dead! Once per game, you may revive a dead player to take your place in the game for the remainder of the day. However, you may not do this in *YLO, and while you may revive any night-killed person, you may only revive a lynched person if they were Buddhist. (You have to maintain your Byakuren disguise, after all!) If the person you revive is voted off, then you will be considered lynched, and the animated corpse will be aware of this. (They will not, however, learn anything else about your role or alignment.)
You may also go on the factional kill if you so desire, though you may not kill and use your roleblock ability in the same night.
Character: Kasen Ibaraki (Taoism)
Alignment: Town
Role name: Vanilla Townie
Role abilities: N/A
You win when all threats to town have been completely eradicated. Good luck!
In addition, Pesco, playing as Kasen Ibaraki, was caused great arm!
Raitaki(3): Edible, IHNN, Pesco
Edible (1): Lecithul
Serela (2): Raitaki, Raikaria
Schezo (2): Polaris, Zakeri
Pesco (1): Shadoweh
Zakeri (1): Schezo
Raikaria (3): BT, Dormio, Serela
Serela (1): BT
Raikaria (1): Affinity
I have no name (7): Shadoweh, Edible, Zakeri, Schezo, Dormio, Polaris, Raitaki
Zakeri (4): Pesco, Raikaria, Serela, IHNN
Pesco (2): Zakeri, Serela
Dormio (3): Edible, Schezo, Raitaki
Serela (3): Polaris, BT, Lecithul
Zakeri (3): Dormio, Pesco, Raikaria
Not voting (1): Shadoweh
Dormio (3): Raitaki, Serela, Lecithul
Serela (7): Polaris, BT, Pesco, Dormio, Zakeri, Raikaria, Schezo
Polaris (1): Shadoweh
Small question: who is playing Mamizou again????
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN HATS ALL DAY, COME PLAY WITH USBlediblamit!
##Vote: Zakeri:facepalm:
you have Serela making Zak his wagon option on D1 while allowing himself to townread IHNN and lurk through deadline
I'm actually interested if the poison happened at all. According to the wiki Serela linked, it's traditionally an undoctorable kill. His PM doesn't seem to say anything about that. @mod, can you confirm/deny?
Nope.
waiting on zak's results, too. Apparently he was on at some point after the day started, so I wonder why he didn't post his results then?I thought about it, but Only up to Schezo's second post had been posted by then, and I figured it'd be more prudent to have some people posting reads before I whoosh in and snipe them.
I investigated Lecithul last night, and he came back Town.
I'll make that ~*~connections~*~ post sometime tomorrow. Busy.
cut by scumpost: Scumpost.
Kilga said there MIGHT be a 3rd party, not will, so why are you so adamant? Serela's claim was denied D2, so that might have been why vig didn't cc. And are you suggesting scum just happened to roleblock Polaris N1 and blocked his shot?
Gee I'm glad you stopped your reading me based off a cop result. Heaven forbid there be a role to counter it/ Zach not be real.
The possibility of a third party potential SK existing is quite high so just because scum and their actions don't point towards a person being mafia they can still be a third party bad guy.
Of course, Serela could just have been lying about poisoning Raikaria.
Another claim would be lame so no more.
Raitaki if SK and scum both aimed at the same save target there are no problems.
Maybe Serela could have been lying about using poison >_> I'm not sure how the "point" you're making helps us in any way though.
I actually plan on calling your bluff on the lynch me please ate.
Raitaki doing whatever he's doing instead of trying to prevent his own lynch seems scum-motivated over town-motivated (or rather the lack of motivation as scum) :L
Especially when he says that he thinks that BT's vote on Raikaria seems reasonable when the bulk of it is focused around how BT thinks that Raikaria's effort is simply there to say that he's being townie when he isn't.But then again I think his reaction to the Serela wagon looked townie so ???.
If BT's vote is reasonable shouldn't that at least make Zakeri question the "town effort" that he sees oozing out of Raikaria's posts?
Lecithul has been prodded for inactivity. He will be modkilled if he has not posted something meaningful by the end of the day. ("Prod dodge, will post later" is not meaningful.)
Why do you want him modkilled so much when we have no idea on whether or not modkills will reveal alignment?
If BT's vote is reasonable shouldn't that at least make Zakeri question the "town effort" that he sees oozing out of Raikaria's posts?I'm pretty sure I did answer this but in case I didn't, When I said BT's vote is reasonable, I meant that I can see Town!BT coming to the conclusion more easily than I can see scum!BT doing anything with that post.
Incidentally Zak what is your role name?
BT serious question how does it feel to roll scum six games in a row?OMG obvscum would lynch.
Did Raitaki ever claim?
Inactivity modkills don't affect lynches / votes in any way, right?
Should I wait for a claim from Raitaki before hammer :v
Raikaria said the A word someone punch him.
Character: Kyouko Kasodani (Buddhism)
Alignment: Town
Role name: Vanilla Townie
Role abilities: N/A
You win when all threats to town have been completely eradicated. Good luck!
Character: Mononobe no Futo (Taoism)
Alignment: Town
Role name: Vanilla Townie
Role abilities: N/A
You win when all threats to town have been completely eradicated. Good luck!
Character: Ichirin Kumoi (Buddhism)
Alignment: Town
Role name: Vanilla Townie
Role abilities: N/A
You win when all threats to town have been completely eradicated. Good luck!
Predicting some town result from Zakeri. :derp:
Did you come to the same conclusion I did? <_<If I did, then it must clearly be an expression of my faith.
Anyway, VT claim etc.:derp:
APPARENTLY we're at 6 players and not 7. Way to go OP.
Dormio, any flavor in your VT role? Just curious. <_<None whatsoever.
This suddenly feels like a giant contrived murder mystery case :V clearly we should pull an umineko and end the game here, leaving a mystery with no clear answer and allowing everyone to come up with their own theories about who is the culprit.This is clearly a scumclaim.
Zakeri, Raikaria. Results?
Rai, why'd you use the Tracker on Shadoweh N1?
N1, I tracked Shadoweh, after he defended Zakeri so hard, thinking Zakeri wouldn't NK with al the suspicion, but Shadoweh might. He visisted Serela, which was clearly for the ##Pay command now. The only thing that could have be done to fit that action was ##Poison, so i assume Serela's claim was legitimate. Unless Shadoweh seriously roleblocked Serela.
1. Serela's role could be a red herring, and it's possible scum actually has a voyeur role that made it a safe claim. Raikaria was way too eager to claim on D3 despite not giving us much to work with, which seems like his objective was less to clear Dormio and more to get his role out there to get himself cleared early on.First part is extremely meh and something mods generally don't do. Second part - eh, dunno.
2. Not super strong, but I would think Shadoweh would use her roleblock and have final scum X ##Pay Serela unless there is a role that you'd want to use over the roleblock as scum?An information role.
3. Raikaria trackwatching Dormio is ??? since a. Dormio claimed VT and b. Zak wouldn't have copped Dormio anyway, so it looks more like a poorly thought-out lie.He suspected Dormio (I think? After the DormiovsSerela D2 this is admittedly meh) and eh.
4. Raikaria is literally the only person to believe Serela's vig claim, which is fishy. Not to mention, iirc, he arbitrarily drops Serela D1. Whatever Raikaria was trying to do with Shadoweh sort of disappeared somewhere during D2,I did not go over this yet but if this is true + some of the things you pointed out so far it just points to a Rai lynch being The Move if Zak is town.
5. Raikaria's use of "##Poison" looks weird here because it's not a specific command written in Serela's role pm, so it's possible that Raikaria said it like that because Serela used "##Poison" as his night action in the scum QT.`_`
Zakeri (5): Dormio, Pesco, Shadoweh, Serela, Raikaria
`_`This is actually pretty interesting. Need to check if those votes look like a bus or not.
totes fantastic scum coordination right here
BTW now I want people's opinions on this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg963966.html#msg963966).
Raikaria you've probably already answered this but w/e: what made Serela slip down your list of priorities after this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg962466.html#msg962466) when you wanted Serela lynched the most earlier and this happened right after his wagon suddenly became a main thing?
`_`
totes fantastic scum coordination right here
I did answer it before, other people did things that seemed scumier, while Serela hadn't done anything * I thought was scummy.
Town in bolded not-green for Dormio-san, whenever he decides to look at the thread.I'm not going to post at 6am.
Worth noting Dormio may be a mafia role that returns no result when tracked/watched, or falsifies results in some other way as well.Just going to say that Serela already had that role.
ok well here's a possible plan of action.
We can get rid of 3 people before the game ends, Persons A, B, and C. We lynch Person A today, and if the game doesn't end I'll predict Person B for the lynch overnight while Edible protects me. Then we'll lynch Person B and if the game still doesn't end then I can shoot Person C that night. I'm up for Person A = Zak and lynching him today, and then Raikaria and Dormio in whichever order for Persons B and C.
^ if we're going with this plan then we should decide who Person B is in advance so that I can predict him properly
Eh, Rai, look at what I'm pointing out again. Between here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg962467.html#msg962467) and here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg962467.html#msg962467) Serela has posted three times and not much else happened. The only thing that could have possibly changed something is Serela's behavior, if I'm reading your first post correctly.
(wat)
6 today
>>mislynch
4 tomorrow
>>mislynch
3 during the night, town has yet to lose the majority
if polly is town and shoots scum town should win with one guy remaining
Zakeri (5): Dormio, Pesco, Shadoweh, Serela, RaikariaThis is pretty interesting because it suggests the entire scumteam was on my in the middle of day two.
11. Zakeri - Oh god he claimed cop, what?Teehee
So, even though to be honest I kind of want to just lynch Zak -anyway-, it'd be -really nice- to give D2 a chance to have wagon development and cool discussion and stuff instead of "everyone agrees to lynch zak immediately", as cool as it is to actually have that kind of quick group decision already >_> If everyone can't decide on anyone else we'll just lynch Zak regardless, but I'm pretty sure we have sufficient scumbodies around to be lynching here so it's not a big deal. Also if he did turn out to be cop it's cool to have more results yeah, so that's just kind of there.
And "We'll talk about other people but just lynch Zak k guys" is not a seriously suggestible alternative because the driven discussion kind of has an air of pointlessness/fakey to it if that was the case, or at least it would to me, idk I don't enjoy putting a lot of effort into acts of futility usually, but it's not like anyone would listen to me about this I imagine in any case, so.
It's a question of game balance - if he's scum, then he used no actions on N2 which means he's a goon?If I were a goon then why wouldn't I go on the kill so that Shadoweh could roleblock Zakeri or something anyway.
Character: Reimu Hakurei (Shinto)
Alignment: Town
Role name: Seeress
Role abilities: Sigh. It always falls to you to clean up everyone else's mess. Normally you'd have this incident cleaned up in a flash, but you're feeling especially apathetic this time around, so you're only going to concern yourself with one person at a time. Each night, you may target one other player and learn their alignment.
You win when all threats to town have been completely eradicated. Good luck!
Character: Reimu Hakurei (Shinto)
Alignment: Town
Role name: Vanilla Townie
Role abilities: N/A
You win when all threats to town have been completely eradicated. Good luck!
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At least, that's what you want everyone to think.
Character: Shizuha Aki
Alignment: Scum
Role name: Rolecop
Role abilities: How DARE everyone always forget who you are! Well, you'll show them! Your combined abilities as a goddess and a person no one ever remembers give you exceptional espionage skills. Once per night, you may target another player and spy on them, learning of any and all special skills they may possess.
You may also go on the factional kill if you so desire, though you may not kill and use your rolecop ability in the same night.
Your partners in crime are Serela (Suwako Moriya) and Shadoweh (Byakuren Hijiri). You may communicate at any time in this (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/sLAvAmJ8Z9vP) QT. You win when the number of living scum at least equals the number of non-living scum. Good luck!
Character: Marisa Kirisame (Pagan)
Alignment: Town
Role name: Guardian
Role abilities: You have a lot of friends on all sides of this slapfight, and you'd really rather not see them die. However, precisely because you have a lot of friends, you have to be careful that you don't look like you're aligning yourself with any religious group, especially since none of these religions actually interest you. Each night, you may pick one player in the game other than yourself and stop all killing actions that target them. You may not target members of the same religious faction on consecutive nights.
You win when all threats to town have been completely eradicated. Good luck!
Zak, claim. To appease the Great and Might Mafia God Shadowmeh I will after2/3 scum pegged D1.even though she's your scumbuddy
Too many pages, we need abridged Mafia again. I liked the fake flip.
Very scum-driven considering the scumteam lurked through deadline when their buddy was a leading wagon and the town had to steer the lynch away from him for them.
I didn't even know Shadoweh had a roleblock.
Further ruleset analysis indicates that scum were assigned randomly irrespective of religion. Why, then, would a cop role have the inability to investigate an entire religion when it could theoretically be a bastard role?This alone would be grounds for a lynch in the situation the claim happened. The fact that setup speculation can be bad and often is bad and useless should not make you forget that there are times when it is useful.
That's all setup speculation and mostly irrelevant, of course.
This alone would be grounds for a lynch in the situation the claim happened. The fact that setup speculation can be bad and often is bad and useless should not make you forget that there are times when it is useful.
Other than that, I fully echo Kilga's sentiment. Great play, guys. Keep it up. =)
Although I would totally support giving each future mafia game a variation of @ganbaranai title.
Nah, that was honestly a bit of meta analysis if anything. Plenty of mods would be willing to throw in a psuedo-bastard cop role. Kilga has been burned hard by such roles in the past, so I suspected he wouldn't do so here.The thing is that if you assume the mod is not lying about his own rules (alignment not being tied to religion), it would not be a bastard role in general, it just could end up as one depending on how the dices fall. It's a role with huge swing based on pre-game random chance alone and since it's directly tied to the religions, the only way he could counter-act it is by adding at least another role or two that somehow work in the reverse fashion (i.e. get stronger the more town are in religion X / scum get more boned the less of them are in religion X). Which opens up even more room for error, too, so... Unless you assume Kilga was planning for a potential trainwreck, no dice. Especially not if you have the options "well Kilga would totally go for this" vs "well isn't that a convenient claim for scum to make".
Character: Soga no Tojiko (Taoism)
Alignment: Town
Role name: Voyeur
Role abilities: Being an intimately-trusted part of Shoutoku-taishi's entourage have honed your espionage skills over the years. Each night, you may target one person, and you may choose to be told one of three things:
- Who, if anyone, that player targeted with a night action (Tracker)
- Who, if anyone, targeted that player with a night action (Watcher)
- Whether or not that player took a night action AND whether or not that player was targeted by a night action (Weak Tracker/Watcher Combo)
However, each of these options may only be selected once throughout the game, so make them count.
You win when all threats to town have been completely eradicated. Good luck!
The thing is that if you assume the mod is not lying about his own rules (alignment not being tied to religion), it would not be a bastard role in general, it just could end up as one depending on how the dices fall. It's a role with huge swing based on pre-game random chance alone
Also I think this is the first game I've actually won.
(http://puu.sh/2AFNe)
Put your own caption here
yes i'm still a little mad about it
Shadoweh dying will make a graveyard, yes.
Sorry Edible there's only one person who's allowed to have a picture of me and it's not a man.
Edible does not approve.
"I'm watching somebody speedrun Yu-gi-oh, Deulist of Roses." -Zakeri
"What, it's worse then Forbidden Memories? I heard that Duelist of Roses was fun like a kind of Yugioh RTS?
<.< >.> LINK IT BEFORE YOU GET LYNCHED" -Shadoweh
"SPEEDRUNSLIVE.COM
Stream: TOTOzigemm" -Zakeri
LOL
I'm a moderator in that stream :V and that person lives only like an hour from me. and we're planning on meeting up at some point and doing a stream marathon. Oh the coincidences.
In fairness I probably would have been petulant about it too, and if I were another uninvolved player I'd be less inclined to vote the guy that was upset about having his fun ruined and more inclined to vote one of the guys that actively tried to ruin it (especially when one started lording it over him).The only reason I waited until day 2 to do that was because I was super scum and needed to find a good place to push for day 2 after stalling, rather than continually scumhunt.
Flavour always makes sense. It was the way he stalled on claiming and then the not so town logic actions that still made him scum.
And I jumped on it pretty hard.
Until everyone else jmped off, at which point I went :/ and stopped pushing on him.
We really lose nothing by holding off on a Zak lynch. Worst case scenario, he's scum and we lynch him later. Best case scenario, he's a cop and we get at least one cleared town (Schezo) or two (plus one confirmed town) if for whatever reason scumteam doesn't axe him tonight. Sorry Pesco, can't agree with you on this one.
For a 32-page game there really wasn't that much content in it. I'm still convinced that Polly/Rai/Dormio are serial killers.
Hmm, Rai, a lot of your play in this game was textbook scummy but I don't really know what to tell you to improve. This might have been my first time playing with you as town - are you always like this? :I
I wasn't kidding at all despite being scum when I said something like "Raikaria is doing tons of scummy shit, the only reason he's town is he's doing way too much and talking/pushing constantly and that stuff is really friggin hard as scum".
It's lame because there is literally no reason ask for someone's role name other than to game the setup by trying to divine their alignment from their response.I like asking for role names because they make my notes look complete :colbert:
[21:53] <Shadowmeh> I'm sorry we turned your game into a trainwreck
Our reasoning for poisoning BT is in our QT, but why did you protect him if you didn't think he was a good target? :V
I survived!
Anyway, gg.
My thoughts QT is here (http://quicktopic.com/50/H/ch82LFD2mbF8q), though you shouldn't expect to see anything resembling mafia in there.
I don't know what it was but I really didn't feel motivated at all this game, so sorry about that.
Post 14:
Goddamnit Serela I keep skimming over your posts because I think they belong to Suwako Moriya.
Post 15:
And then I realize that Serela is playing Suwackerz.
Fuck you Selery.
I don't know what it was but I really didn't feel motivated at all this game
Flavour always makes sense. It was the way he stalled on claiming and then the not so town logic actions that still made him scum.
Also when in doubt hammer Dormio.My favorite part was when it occurred to me that the reason you died WAS LITERALLY BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAMMER DORMIO.
Although, I admit, not wanting to claim because "There might be a roleblocker"if i was scum and some townie was talking about how he DIDN'T WANT TO CLAIM HIS AWESOME POWER ROLE i would roleblock them regardless of whether they claimed or not. so uh.
if i was scum and some townie was talking about how he DIDN'T WANT TO CLAIM HIS AWESOME POWER ROLE i would roleblock them regardless of whether they claimed or not. so uh.My future gambit as a PGO.
if i was scum and some townie was talking about how he DIDN'T WANT TO CLAIM HIS AWESOME POWER ROLE i would roleblock them regardless of whether they claimed or not. so uh.Which is exactly where the fault in not claiming roleblocked lies.
It's not like we were using our blocks for anything better.
and have some sort of proof to back it up.Well that's what poisoning BT night one was for! Night 2 would have two deaths, therefore "confirming" that I had vigged someone during the night. It would have been pretty damn awkward if I hadn't gotten lynched considering BT DIDN'T DIE, though >_>;; (Since you doctored Zak it would have been rather amusing, though)
I think I'ma write up some thoughts on players this game.
Lecithul: lol
Raikaria: Not much to say, I think you played pretty well. Maybe could've used a bit more focus, but your catch-all approach really sold your posts as town this game.
Dormio: You were kinda sporadic and flaky this game, but lolhats. Please don't let lolhats stop you from playing next time. ;_;Well, on top of hats I had and still have several assignments I need to work on.
VoodooNote: Voodoo is not for pregnant women or children of age 13 or lower. Voodoo has been known to be linked to unexplained sharp pains, burning sensations, and is certain cases death. You should not attempt voodoo if you take drowsy inducing medication, or have a history of narcolepsy. Ask your alchemist is Voodoo is right for you.
BT: My town MVP. You were so townie I was wondering why scum didn't try to kill you more often so I got suspicious.
Why scum didn't try to kill youSo you're laughing it up, and go to check on the body of the guy you obviously killed the other night, pull off the covers and find that suddenly IT'S YOUR BEST FRIEND WHO WAS ACCOMPLICE TO THAT SAME MURDER.
So you're laughing it up, and go to check on the body of the guy you obviously killed the other night, pull off the covers and find that suddenly IT'S YOUR BEST FRIEND WHO WAS ACCOMPLICE TO THAT SAME MURDER.
Note: Voodoo is not for pregnant women or children of age 13 or lower. Voodoo has been known to be linked to unexplained sharp pains, burning sensations, and is certain cases death. You should not attempt voodoo if you take drowsy inducing medication, or have a history of narcolepsy. Ask your alchemist is Voodoo is right for you.
Did we ever get the answer to the hangmafia that we never finished pregame :derp:
Did we ever get the answer to the hangmafia that we never finished pregame :derp:
my thread
?????
Bardiche why the fuck
are you spouting haikus in
my thread, go away ;_;
Bardiche why the fuck are you spouting haikus in my thread, go away ;_;