RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: Rewrite Mafia)

[Bardiche]

NekoNekoRex has his priorities wrong. Finding and lynching scum isn't a secondary concern for Town, it's a primary concern. Mafia may seriously not be the game for you, because unless you're third party, it isn't about the individual.

[NekoNekoRex]

NekoNekoRex has his priorities wrong. Finding and lynching scum isn't a secondary concern for Town, it's a primary concern. Mafia may seriously not be the game for you, because unless you're third party, it isn't about the individual.

You seem to have missed the part where I put twice as much priority to finding scum then staying alive. Finding scum is important, but it shouldn't be suicidally so, that's ridiculous.

I've been playing Mafia for a year or two now, I think I'd know if "it wasn't the game for me". Comments like that tick me off.

[Pesco]

You've been arguing twice as hard that staying alive is important.

[Kilgamayan]

I've been dwelling on this issue for a little while, and I think I can write a small thing up later that will hopefully get across a viewpoint everyone can compromise on. The gist of it boils down to the following two bullet points:

- Death is undesirable, but not unacceptable.
- If your pursuit of survival starts actively interfering with town's scumhunting, then there is a problem, and it starts with you.

[Raikaria]

I find it funny that there is this argument over NNR being overly defensive when in the game game I selflynched because I thought Serela would be more useful.

[Bardiche]

You seem to have missed the part where I put twice as much priority to finding scum then staying alive. Finding scum is important, but it shouldn't be suicidally so, that's ridiculous.

I've been playing Mafia for a year or two now, I think I'd know if "it wasn't the game for me". Comments like that tick me off.

If you're a townie your main goal should be making sure town doesn't waste their opportunities to kill by killing you. Of course, the secondary main goal is the more obvious "you have to lynch the scum to win".

Yeah, I missed that "twice as much priority" in the wording "secondary" goal is lynching the scums to win. You can feel ticked off, but if your opinion isn't consistent with itself, it's difficult to follow your line of thought. Idly, your argument that "survival is a full third" is flawed, in that you do not need to spend much time to survive. It's a secondary goal that is automatically fulfilled by going for your primary goal of lynching scum.

The only Townie that has carte blanche to prioritise survival over lynching scum is the Cop, and only in specific cases.

[NekoNekoRex]

I don't think you "get" what I'm arguing but I'm just going to point at Kilga and say he's right so that I don't have to continue repeating myself vOv

[Raikaria]

The only Townie that has carte blanche to prioritise survival over lynching scum is the Cop, and only in specific cases.

What about the Doc?

[Schezo]

TBD Mafia 3- the return of the scumbags: Schezo (Co:?)

Fruity title.  Please change to Fire Emblem Awakening

[Shadoweh]

I've proposed this on MS before, but I think self-defense is self-defeating. The more you talk about yourself, even to defend yourself from attacks from other players, the more you're centering the conversation on YOU. The game doesn't move on from the case on you unless you help move it that way, and if you keep providing more content on yourself, well.. it just gives people more you to talk about! In my opinion the best defense is a good offense.

This never stops me from talking about myself anyways because i'm a narcissist even when I get lynched for it..

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Also I've learned that if you get caught in an ED1 wagon it's ridiculously easy for people to handwave everything you say as overdefensive or OMGUS because you're basically the only person there is to talk about (also anybody who uses the term OMGUS as part of a serious point in mafia should be vigged immediately, irl).

Somehow I'm talking about more games than just Werewolf Mafia.

[Kilgamayan]

I've found a mixture of offense and defense

Spoiler:

and Kamina glasses

to be the best combination to get attention focused where it belongs. Giving people voting you more you to talk about is only bad if the more you that you give them sucks and is worth reinforcing the vote over, which really should only be happening if you're scum. <_<

There's also an aspect that everyone notices on the surface, and most people speak up about when it happens to them, but no one ever really thinks about too deeply; no matter who you are, you don't like it when your cases get ignored. At the very least, ignoring someone's case on you runs a substantial risk of irritating them, which can and probably will manifest itself as a continued negative focus on you from that player out of a combination of them still believing they have valid points (since what they brought up went unaddressed) and then simply wanting to spite you for not returning the effort they put in to their case.

[Shadoweh]

It also has alot to do with complacency and how much easier it is to keep on trucking then it is to actually make a new case. >.>

[Omba]

A bit of defense is good. Whether more than that is warranted depends on the situation.
In any case, the player making a case on you can only either be town (in which case you'd want to not waste much time & text on arguing with him), or scum (in which case you should pick apart his case in the context of making a case of your own on him). As such, it's usually a good thing when someone attacks you. Make use of it.

[ActionDan]

The interaction between me and Conq in that game we were both town and made paragraph posts where I bowed to his logic was probably ideal discussion.

Self-defense is important.

[Kilgamayan]

A sub position has opened in the current game, as Affinity needs to replace out.

[Lecithul]

I would like to sub in for this game if possible. I'm new to mafia on this forum, so I'd like to say hi to everyone. I am familiar with mafia itself, having played it on some other forums, though it's been a while so I am a little rusty.

[Kilgamayan]

Sure. I'll send you a copy of Affinity's role PM. Thanks for stepping in!

[NekoNekoRex]

I would like to sub in for this game if possible. I'm new to mafia on this forum, so I'd like to say hi to everyone. I am familiar with mafia itself, having played it on some other forums, though it's been a while so I am a little rusty.

Ooh~ new blood.
Welcome, Lecithul! I really like your avatar+sig! <3
Hope you stay awhile~

EDIT: Dorian told me you aren't new around here =/ Oh well, post content still stands

[Polaris]

updated that votecount thing that conq linked for me a while back

changelog:
- updated text to be more mafia-relevant
- L-1 and L-2 warnings automatically show up
- you can add multiple people at once by separating names with commas (example: type in "Conq,Dormio,Polaris" to add three separate names at the same time) useful at the beginning of the game so that you don't have to keep alternating between typing and clicking

[Lecithul]

Ooh~ new blood.
Welcome, Lecithul! I really like your avatar+sig! <3
Hope you stay awhile~

EDIT: Dorian told me you aren't new around here =/ Oh well, post content still stands

Oh, thanks!

Yeah, I'm not new in RPG, I played a game of Diplomacy a while back. But I am new to mafia here.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

i am now willing to sub into this game on the condition the slot is town

[Kilgamayan]

You can sub in for Pesco.

[Pesco]

Pick scum and pubstomp. Just blame team if you lose.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Also, have I mentioned how much I hate it when people (I'm looking at you Shadoweh) do that votecount analysis shit with the colors?

in future games, would you find it more convenient if the green was really really light and  the red was really really dark?

i don't know how colorblindness works tbh

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Probably. Basically I've always differentiated red and green by the shade I perceive them in and I associate the darker colors with red.
I mean it's not really a big problem. I've seen the two colors enough times to usually be able to tell the difference if I stare at them long enough.

Also, IHNN go update the first post already. We aren't playing DEFCON mafia anymore.

[Shadoweh]

Don't worry Dormio, I'll only do them after Day 5 from now on.

[Bardiche]

So I already won my game. Waiting until deadline to lynch is so 2012.

[Pesco]

Or to put it succulently, saying they're a powerless terrible person now doesn't stop them from having been terrible. I don't think anyone deserves respect for being dead. They deserve the fruits of the legacy they've left behind. (Which oddly is what this conversation seems to be about, and nothing to do with politics.)

Just wanna have this here for the townies who die after catching scum :V

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

You can sub in for Pesco.

Kilga when are you going to send me my role PM and the graveyard link :colbert:

(i'm available for replacement for real as of this post but i kinda doubt one will be needed)