Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Game Over)

[I have no name]

Post incoming after I can get some sleep (so closer to deadline I guess)  I have a lot of stuff going on with school today (and yesterday, a bit).  I should be around during all of deadline though.

Token thoughts in the meantime:
Raikaria vs. Schezo: Raikaria reads as very town to me right now, feels like what I was doing as town a few games back.  Schezo...could go either way, seems like he's trying to be annoying with the echo thing (for what it's worth NNR seems bothered, no opinion on NNR yet), but he doesn't look scummy yet.
Pesco feels kind of lurky but I've only played 1 game with him so far.  Feels like BT in that game where I thought he was scum but had no idea why and he was scum.

##Unvote
##Vote: Pesco
##Vote: NNR

SERELA'S VOTE LOOKS LIKE A CHAINSAW. SHE DEFENDS RAIKARIA BUT FAILS TO GIVE A REASON WHY SCHEZO IS WORTH A VOTE. EASY JUMP THAT DOUBLES AS BUDDYING RAIKARIA.  I'M GOING TO MESS UP GENDER AGAIN AND VOTE SOMEONE FOR SEEING A PSEUDO-1v1 AS A 1v1
IF DORMIO CAN DO IT SO CAN I! YAHOO-!  I GET TO KEEP BEING ANNOYING YAHOO~

Not totally sure on Serela but early gut says likely town.  Also if there's any day to lynch someone for being annoying it's D1 so I don't feel bad about this vote-helps that re-reading for other stuff that jumped out at me showed the 'chainsaw' as a reason for a vote and if voting for a vote is scummy then NNR is scummy for voting Serela for his vote.

I think that covers everything I want to say for now.  See you guys in 16ish hours.

[NekoNekoRex]

SERELA'S VOTE HAS THE DUAL PURPOSE OF PARADING A TOWN READ AND THEN ATTACKING A PLAYER WHO IS VOTING SAID TOWN READ, IT ONLY MAKES SERELA LOOK LIKE HE'S HARD DEFENDING RAIKARIA WITHOUT NEEDING A PROPER REASON TO VOTE SCHEZO.

MY VOTE ON SCHEZO WAS LACKING CONVICTION, IT WAS TOO EARLY IN THE GAME TO FIND SOMEONE BETTER THAT WASN'T A JOKEVOTE. I CURRENTLY READ HIM AS NULL.

ALSO IF YOU WOULD RATHER ME GO BACK TO MY OLD "QUIRK" OF "GETTING ANGRY AT MAFIA AND THROWING A TANTRUM" THEN I CAN REMOVE MY FINGER FROM THE SHIFT KEY ANYTIME! YAHOO-!

[NekoNekoRex]

YES I AM ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT I GET LESS ANGRY AT MAFIA BY TAKING IT LESS SERIOUSLY AND ALSO DOING POSTING QUIRKS BEFORE YOU ASK!

YAHOO-!

[Pesco]

Since NNR is intent on providing cover noise for scum to lurk out the day, let's just get rid of the distraction and detriment to town right now.

##Unvote
##Vote: NNR

[I have no name]

ALSO IF YOU WOULD RATHER ME GO BACK TO MY OLD "QUIRK" OF "GETTING ANGRY AT MAFIA AND THROWING A TANTRUM" THEN I CAN REMOVE MY FINGER FROM THE SHIFT KEY ANYTIME! YAHOO-!

Yes.  Yes I would actually.  Because 'angry rage NNR' is a lot easier to read than 'lol CAPASLOCKSPAM NNR'.  and in my opinion, a lot more fun to play with.

[Raikaria]

On the whole chainsawing thing, bear in mind how little else Serela had to go on at the time. If he thought Schezo was being overzealous, then, with nothing else having happened yet in the game, that is where Serela would be most likely to vote.

I *think* Serela's logic for voting Schezo is 'Raikaria seems town and you're pushing hard on him regardless. Here's a vote to make you stop.'. It dosen't look in any way like an outright attack on Schezo, and, tbh, it's something Serela usually does.

Besides, Chainsawing is a null tell until one of the two is proven scum, according to the wiki I'm reading for the term, so it's not really that big of a deal ED1.

With that said, it seems odd that NNR is accusing Serela of chainsawing when NNR voted Schezo over me.

Also NNR, please stop the allcaps. It's annoying to read. CUT BY NNR, I HAVE REPLY WARNING ON

I need some more time to mull over that chainsaw thing. Might be me misunderstanding the term, or even NNR misunderstanding the term, but if it's the way I see it, that accusation doesn't look good on NNR's town resume.

Oh, I'd better link the page I'm using to explain chainsawing too:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tarhalindur_Standard_Tells

[NekoNekoRex]

Yes.  Yes I would actually.  Because 'angry rage NNR' is a lot easier to read than 'lol CAPASLOCKSPAM NNR'.  and in my opinion, a lot more fun to play with.

...fine, You'll earn it. At some point. Probably. And I'm going to not enjoy it as much as you hopefully will.

[Pesco]

Remind me what you've actually said so far now that you're posting properly.

[NekoNekoRex]

No.

[Edible]

No.

##unvote
##vote NNR

[Pesco]

No.

##unvote
##vote NNR

##unvote
##vote NNR

[NekoNekoRex]

I'm fine with this if I can still have the satisfaction that I don't have to deal with bullshit if people can't deal with mine.

[Pesco]

So that must be your winning strat of staying alive at all costs to win.

@mod: requesting a modkill so that the players don't have to deal with NNR being lame

[NekoNekoRex]

I'm not going to summarize my allcaps posts because it's still in proper English and perfectly readable as-is. I see no point in repeating it and you're being just as "lame".

[Raikaria]

Requesting votecount due to all the re-voted on the same people.

[BT]

##Unvote Serela, Vote Raikaria

No opinions, conversation on how conversation is good detected.

Or really, it's like he's centered around his own aruments on how what he's doing is pro-town. Stuff like "I get jumped on by people who always flip town" is also a garbage statement especially considering he avoided giving any sort of read on Schezo or anyone else. -- he calls it TvT later, nevermind

"I don't want a wagon forming on Polaris" is also interesting - what possibly made you think that way, or made you think it was a good idea to note as much?

"I feel bad voting people for no apparent reason" bit sounds like emotion candy.

Pesco avoiding the discussion with only a universally 'right' comment on NNR's capsspam and a helpful tip to Raikaria is ugh.

Serela's chainsaw defense at #85 noted. Gut is still seeing scum here. His actual reasons for defending Raikaria's behavior are flawed as well. (why wouldn't scum unvote? why would town unvote?) Crap reasons point to the same.

NNR gets the townwave for now. Trigger post is his vote on Serela for those wondering. His latest posts read town via gut so :whatever:

Zak pending. Vote not as bad as Serela's.

IHNN should be town too.

Edible and Pesco should post thoughts if they're angry at NNR for not doing the same.

[NekoNekoRex]

I don't play Mafia so some jerk can stomp on my fun AND make me clean it up.

[BT]

Talk to me Rexy. What do you think of my post?

[PX]

Mid Day Votecount

NekoNekoRex (3): Edible, IHNN, Pesco
Edible (1): Affinity
Serela (1): NekoNekoRex
Polaris (1): Raikaria
Shadoweh (1): Dormio
Schezo (3): Polaris, Serela, Zakeri
Pesco (1): Shadoweh
Raikaria (2): Schezo, BT
Not Voting (0)
With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 votes to reach a majority.

Just under 27? hours left in Day 1.

[Raikaria]

I don't play Mafia so some jerk can stomp on my fun AND make me clean it up.

You play Mafia for fun?! You monster!

##Unvote Serela, Vote Raikaria

No opinions, conversation on how conversation is good detected.

Or really, it's like he's centered around his own aruments on how what he's doing is pro-town. Stuff like "I get jumped on by people who always flip town" is also a garbage statement especially considering he avoided giving any sort of read on Schezo or anyone else. -- he calls it TvT later, nevermind

"I don't want a wagon forming on Polaris" is also interesting - what possibly made you think that way, or made you think it was a good idea to note as much?

"I feel bad voting people for no apparent reason" bit sounds like emotion candy.

Pesco avoiding the discussion with only a universally 'right' comment on NNR's capsspam and a helpful tip to Raikaria is ugh.

Serela's chainsaw defense at #85 noted. Gut is still seeing scum here. His actual reasons for defending Raikaria's behavior are flawed as well. (why wouldn't scum unvote? why would town unvote?) Crap reasons point to the same.

NNR gets the townwave for now. Trigger post is his vote on Serela for those wondering. His latest posts read town via gut so :whatever:

Zak pending. Vote not as bad as Serela's.

IHNN should be town too.

Edible and Pesco should post thoughts if they're angry at NNR for not doing the same.

Wait, so you counteract yourself on several of your reasons for voting me, and then you stay voting me anyway?

I guess I should explain the Polaris thing. I'm always paranoid of wagons on people I don't have scumreads on. It's just paranoia. In hindsight, it was dumb, but, hey seeing most the time there's an early wagon that almost lynches [usually on me] I kinda grew paranoia.

What's wrong with a little emotion on the side? I'm not a robot.

I'll give opinions when there's enough stuff to give solid opinions on than 'meh'.

Also I've given a negative opinion on NNR above, but want someone to confirm I'm understanding Chainsawing right.

[Pesco]

Raikaria was looking textbook scummy with how he phrased his unvote post. I don't consider what I said to him as a tip for just his benefit but for everyone else so that scum can't hang back without showing their hand. My opinion from that is he'd make a good lynch candidate still because he opted to continue with his RVS vote. It's not a strong case, comments to push it further isn't warranted because I don't see this lynch going all the way.

My initial serious vote was on Zak and would still be if not for NNR firmly taking the stance that he's not going to play the game. As I called it in my vote post, Zak's jump on Raikaria doesn't feel like a joke vote but a parked vote. As scum, he's on early and could lurk it out if the wagon gains enough to become the consolidation lynch.

Serela and Schezo I'll need a reread without NNR's posts getting in the way.

As it is, NNR wants to actively play against town going for their wincon. My vote stays until he can play the game without resorting to ad hom.

[Pesco]

Addendum: My feel of Zak being scum does not exclude Raikaria from being scum.

[NekoNekoRex]

Talk to me Rexy. What do you think of my post?

It's decent and agreeable, I guess. Could use a more determined reasoning for your vote, it's kind of flip-floppy.
I'm currently waiting for Pesco's next razor-sharp ~*~*~*~*~edgy~*~*~*~*~ comment/whinehard so that I can continue regretting not /outing the moment he /in'd.

cut by and oh look there it is. Would debate on returning to my awesome and still totally readable posting quirk if IHNN wasn't the one who got me to stop and I actually think he's a decently cool guy.

Raikaria: I am attacking Serela for essentially voting to defend you instead of naming a reason he's scummy. That's the definition of Chainsawing, yeah.

[Schezo]

I don't see why you bother to press Rai's claim that we should be aiming for lurkers, especially considering people are still arguing in the last mafia game about punishing bad play to prevent intentional bad play.

Well GOSH Zach.  If he was actually you know aiming for lurkers this might be a cool case.  That fact that he was unvoting while expecting RVS to just end on it's own was the bulk of my push. 
##Unvote:
##Vote: Zakeri

Raikaria's logic was p.terrible but I doubt it would come from scum (at least not more likely then it would from town) and why scum would decide to be weird and unvote in almost-rvs when you can freely vote anyone is beyond me; it attracts a good bit of attention for literally no reason

Ok Serela I'll remember not to push bad logic next time.  Wait no, that's dumb.
And no.  Town are not the only people allowed to be wierd scum can too.  Why commit when scum can go the passive route?

I *think* Serela's logic for voting Schezo is 'Raikaria seems town and you're pushing hard on him regardless. Here's a vote to make you stop.'. It dosen't look in any way like an outright attack on Schezo, and, tbh, it's something Serela usually does.

Justifying it as "oh serela" is a no no.  He's still accountable for saying that.

Besides, Chainsawing is a null tell until one of the two is proven scum, according to the wiki I'm reading for the term, so it's not really that big of a deal ED1.

Well you see.  I disagree that him saying you would only draw attention to yourself as town and therefor has a weak reason to just have at me for pressing you.
It's not like you weren't trying to be subtle about being passive or anything.

Not even 24 hours in and this game already owns.  Cool!

I'm currently waiting for Pesco's next razor-sharp ~*~*~*~*~edgy~*~*~*~*~ comment/whinehard so that I can continue regretting not /outing the moment he /in'd.

Stop being a baby.

[Raikaria]

Raikaria: I am attacking Serela for essentially voting to defend you instead of naming a reason he's scummy. That's the definition of Chainsawing, yeah.

OK, I understand the concept, and you're seeing it as a scumtell when the page calls it a null tell until one flips scum.

Well GOSH Zach.  If he was actually you know aiming for lurkers this might be a cool case.  That fact that he was unvoting while expecting RVS to just end on it's own was the bulk of my push. 

Ok Serela I'll remember not to push bad logic next time.  Wait no, that's dumb.
And no.  Town are not the only people allowed to be wierd scum can too.  Why commit when scum can go the passive route?

How can I AIM for lurkers only a few hours in? I'm setting sights on lurkers, and saying 'If you lurk my eye is on you'. It's a warning.

I fail to see how encouraging people to not lurk so we have content is bad logic in the first place, tbh.

[Raikaria]

Ironically my vote is on a lurker atm.

[NekoNekoRex]

Stop being a baby.

Tell that to the people whining my ALLCAPS is hard to read?

[Raikaria]

Although it may be too early to call Polaris a lurker atm, but his last post was 3am my time, and it's now 9pm, so... meh.

[Schezo]

So don't gripe back NekoRex.

And I seem to remember you not having a vote on anyone Raikaria.  You weren't aiming at anyone by not having a vote.  No ironi-I-fixed-it-now jab for you.

[Raikaria]

It's ironic because I returned my vote to my RVS and my RVS still hasn't posted.

I am not defending some of my earlygame actions like the unvote and the 'I don't want Polaris wagon suddenly from nowhere'. That I admitted was stupidity.