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Serela · « **Reply #810 on:** August 30, 2012, 05:41:06 PM »

Minoriko is also significantly more MND tanky then Sanae, and her heal and buff are very cheap, so they can be spammed at all parts of the game, and are even easily usable in Djinn Storm situations, which is notable for both the Yukari fight -and- the final boss, both difficult bosses.

...and Sanae's heal is a lot weaker then Minoriko's :V Unless you're like, comparing MAG build Sanae to MND build Minoriko or something, maybe.

Zil · « **Reply #811 on:** August 30, 2012, 10:50:33 PM »

I'll also agree that Minoriko is the better healer. On top of what's been said, Sanae's ailment removing will also become less of an advantage as you gain immunity to prevent the ailments in the first place. Also, keeping both of them around is probably overkill (strictly speaking, you don't even need either of them), and Ran's supposed to be a great character or something, so if you're thinking of swapping her in, I'd say go for it.

Serela · « **Reply #812 on:** August 30, 2012, 11:28:37 PM »

Quote from: Zil on August 30, 2012, 10:50:33 PM

On top of what's been said, Sanae's ailment removing will also become less of an advantage as you gain immunity to prevent the ailments in the first place.

Meiling is next to always around when you need ailment healing anyway; if she's SILenced, that's one thing, but Meiling should be the first priority to get high status resist... something that should occur before you get Sanae.

DarkAtma · « **Reply #813 on:** September 05, 2012, 10:38:46 PM »

has anybody found a way to fix small things like missing animations and no sounds from late bosses? also whats the best build for healer eirin?

Sakurei · « **Reply #814 on:** September 06, 2012, 10:04:35 AM »

I never had any issues with sound and animations o.O but as far as I know it's something you could turn off/on since the special pack.

as for eirin: defensive. if you only use her for healing, then anything but defenses is silly and doesn't make sense, since her healing spell is dependent on the HP of the target.

DarkAtma · « **Reply #815 on:** September 06, 2012, 11:43:19 AM »

by bugs i mean stuff like meiling mountain breaker missing sprites,def mnd or hp eirin?

Parallaxal · « **Reply #816 on:** September 10, 2012, 05:39:02 AM »

A lot of the Plus Disk character bosses, like Utsuho and Shikeiki, are missing the sound effects for their signature spells. It still works fine once you've recruited them.

With Eirin, I would probably choose depending on which slot you expect her to take. DEF for slot 1, MND for other slots. I normally go with MND on my semi-bulky characters who aren't in slot 1, as they are more likely to take magic damage and raising DEF/MND over HP synergizes better with other kinds of healing spells, but I suppose Eirin is unique. Maybe doing a split is better, I dunno. This is where I can't really theorycraft effectively.

DarkAtma · « **Reply #817 on:** September 10, 2012, 08:38:46 PM »

i will figure out what to do with eirin later :V

I also feel this will be a hard playtrought, only 1 supporter and 1 healer and tons of expensive spells,i feel i was cheating when i was killing all with DTH on floor 1 and 2 with komachi.....

Meiling
Tenshi
Mokou
Utsuho
Eirin
Kaguya
Komachi
Shikieiki
Yuuka
Flandre
Renko
Yukari

Tangrelle · « **Reply #818 on:** September 11, 2012, 04:31:34 PM »

Renko essentially makes the game much easier on you though, regardless. The debuffs are so nice <3

Which is why I also don't really want to use her because that's all she does. Still!

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #819 on:** September 11, 2012, 04:36:36 PM »

On paper, Eirin seems like a good character, in practice though I can't believe show SHE wasn't in Team Unappreciated and the likes of Nitori and Iku were :wat:

Her defenses are subpar, she isn't particularly fast and her magic isn't all that great, her formulas aren't anything absurdly impressive and the only thing she really has going for her is Hourai Elixir which loses a lot of its potential since you can't buff your ally after casting it if they do get the extra HP.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but she really seems like the weakest character in the game.

chirpy13 · « **Reply #820 on:** September 11, 2012, 08:19:09 PM »

Just started a new game a couple days ago, and I'm thinking of deviating from the suggested builds a bit for some characters. Looking for some feedback on the effectiveness of said builds before I go all-in.

Reimu - Magic heavy, some mind. Better healing (and attacking for whatever it's worth), but I'm concerned about her taking too much damage and dying on me.
Meirin - Torn between pure hp and pure defense. Not sure which would be more effective in the long-term. HP seems would be better for piercing hits and mind-targeting abilities, but is she okay with the low defense? Sure she's beefy, but it's not like she's a steel wall like Tenshi.
Chen - Pure speed. Kimon+flight is pretty sex, and high speed only makes it better. Would also turn her into one badass switcher. But the question is will be able to deal damage with the low attack?
Aya - Same deal as above, but with PWG spam.
Iku/Sanae/Ran/Minoriko - Pure speed. They seem kind of useless aside from buffing and healing. More turns = more efficient?

I have no name · « **Reply #821 on:** September 11, 2012, 09:02:15 PM »

Quote from: Motomiya Sacchi on September 11, 2012, 04:36:36 PM

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but she really seems like the weakest character in the game.

I'd say Mokou's worse since Hourai Elixir is at least a healing move. Eirin's down there though.

Reimu's attacks become mostly useless, I'd suggest giving her some more speed and mind and less magic (though she does benefit from magic boosts, especially early game).
Meiling I split between HP and defense, defense is more useful early on but HP becomes far more useful lategame, so I'd adjust the spread accordingly.
Chen needs attack, hands down. If you don't boost her attack her damage very quickly reaches 0.
Aya I never really got to deal damage so she's fine as speed buffer/switcher. PWG is still a nice utility move for getting her speed up faster and some extra damage on top.
Ran I gave some of everything and she turned out fine, able to deal some decent damage with Soaring and Laser. Minoriko should get some early magic for heal boosts and then some mind, Iku should get LOTS of mind and Sanae magic/speed.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #822 on:** September 11, 2012, 09:13:23 PM »

I can attest to Ran being good with everything. She's a real Jack-Of-All-Stats.
In most game, Reimu falls under that. But not this one. Ran's one of the higher-end characters who's pretty versatile in everything she does.
Need a buffer? She's got you covered. Need a nuker? She's got you covered.
She's the Nine-Tailed Strategist after all, so it's child's play.

Pesco · « **Reply #823 on:** September 11, 2012, 09:19:38 PM »

Mokou offers more elements and utility than appears. It's only that other people can do the job better.

Sakurei · « **Reply #824 on:** September 11, 2012, 09:27:08 PM »

> mokou worst character in the game > good joke.

Yeah, her fire attacks aren't the strongest in the game, but that's because you have crazy stuff like laevantein, knockout in 3 steps and blazing wheel for that element. if you're handling mokou properly, she's somewhere in the middle range.

if we go by damage, the weakest is obviously renko :v but yeah. everyone knows renko's awesome and makes the game piss easy. but no really, the character I perceive as weakest is probably eirin, too. hear magic growth isn't too great to cover for the average spell formular and aside from high HP characters like komachi, youmu or meiling, hourai elixir doesn't help much. sure, you can heal over the limit, but it still doesn't help you if you character's got 20k HP overall and needs 18k healed.

Serela · « **Reply #825 on:** September 12, 2012, 12:21:35 AM »

Utsuho is worst, Eirin at least has utility as tanky nuker in Plus Disk when you can spam Astronomical Entombing (Although Yuyuko is certainly better for such purposes and I would never recommend using Eirin)

Mokou is pretty bad because tons of people do what she does, except they do it a lot better. She's... not horrible, you could use her if you -really- wanted to, I guess. Utsuho just has no real use because all of her moves are super expensive and are random-battle tier damage levels. She has no good move to use on a boss, and has no other perks that would make you want to use her.

Tangrelle · « **Reply #826 on:** September 12, 2012, 02:46:30 AM »

Just something that's been bothering me whenever I make teams.

I like Kaguya. I have a wonderful portrait for her and she is pretty cool all around with the defense ignoring

But! I also really like Yuyuko, who is hip and Deathmaking and nifty in her own way.

But I want to use them together, yet I worry if Kaguya just absolutely trumps Yuyuko in every way! Could someone help me on this <3

I have no name · « **Reply #827 on:** September 12, 2012, 03:00:46 AM »

Quote from: Serela on September 12, 2012, 12:21:35 AM

no other perks that would make you want to use her.

Defense ignoring.
MND debuffing in a decent damage attack. (comparable to Mokou's in terms of damage in my experiences)

I never found Mokou useful and I found Utsuho somewhat useful for a few things. I agree that they're both near the bottom overall though.

Starxsword · « **Reply #828 on:** September 12, 2012, 04:38:32 AM »

Quote

But I want to use them together, yet I worry if Kaguya just absolutely trumps Yuyuko in every way! Could someone help me on this <3

How does Kaguya trump Yuyuko in every way? Kaguya has terrible HP. Yuyuko has a move that messes with the enemy gauge, which no other character has. Yuyuko's Flawless Nirvana is also one of the best Spirit Nukes in the game. Yuyuko also has very high Death chance, which is very useful in random battles.

Serela · « **Reply #829 on:** September 12, 2012, 05:47:57 AM »

Quote from: I have no name on September 12, 2012, 03:00:46 AM

Defense ignoring.
MND debuffing in a decent damage attack. (comparable to Mokou's in terms of damage in my experiences)

DEF/MND debuffs are seriously useless almost all the time (They make almost no difference in the damage you deal in the vast majority of cases) (ESPECIALLY by the time you actually have utsuho), and Utsuho's mnd ignoring attack only does enough to warrant use in a random battle. Which would be alright, if she was any good outside of random battles. A character who is only good in random battles is a character that is useless; every other character in the game is nice for bosses in some form; even if Mokou is outperformed by tons of other people, even she still has an okay boss nuke, and a ATK/MAG debuff if you need such a thing and don't want to use anyone else's (Reisen, Alice, Maribel, Renko, etc)

Kanoe · « **Reply #830 on:** September 12, 2012, 06:48:24 PM »

Quote from: Starxsword on September 12, 2012, 04:38:32 AM

How does Kaguya trump Yuyuko in every way? Kaguya has terrible HP. Yuyuko has a move that messes with the enemy gauge, which no other character has. Yuyuko's Flawless Nirvana is also one of the best Spirit Nukes in the game. Yuyuko also has very high Death chance, which is very useful in random battles.

Kaguya is awesome. Yuyuko has good Spirit nukes but that is her only element meaning anyone resistant to Spirit means she is screwed. Kaguya has multiple elements all of which (cept for one I think) are 100% piercing. Yuyuko's enemy guage manipulation is MUCH weaker against bosses so it is not reliable. But it is all a matter of taste I suppose. Kaguya 100% piercing does mean she can hurt things that are immune to magic (like the Hibachi twins and Bloody Papa).

DarkAtma · « **Reply #831 on:** September 13, 2012, 12:30:21 AM »

I am able to share my charagraph? :ohdear: if so, all the images must be from touhou characters necessarily?

Parallaxal · « **Reply #832 on:** September 14, 2012, 04:38:20 AM »

Nah, go ahead and share whatever characters you want. I've always wanted a League of Legends charagraph for this game, haha.

We have come a long way in our understanding of this game. When I came up with the idea for Team Unappreciated, Iku was seriously less used than Eirin. In fact, people used her so little that the wiki had incorrect information on her (it listed the buff from Thundercloud Stickleback as much lower than it actually is). The fact that such an error was never caught speaks to how unpopular she used to be.

Raikaria · « **Reply #833 on:** September 14, 2012, 09:56:14 AM »

Quote from: Parallaxal on September 14, 2012, 04:38:20 AM

Nah, go ahead and share whatever characters you want. I've always wanted a League of Legends charagraph for this game, haha.

We have come a long way in our understanding of this game. When I came up with the idea for Team Unappreciated, Iku was seriously less used than Eirin. In fact, people used her so little that the wiki had incorrect information on her (it listed the buff from Thundercloud Stickleback as much lower than it actually is). The fact that such an error was never caught speaks to how unpopular she used to be.

And now Iku is seen as near broken for buffing nukers to stupid levels.

Same with Nitori and her Megawatt Cannon.

DarkAtma · « **Reply #834 on:** September 14, 2012, 04:15:27 PM »

Here is the link if anybody is interested, All my stand pictures are 450 pixels tall because i am picky and i didnt liked the empty space below :V

http://s265.photobucket.com/albums/ii237/matrix8000/Share%20Charagrapt/

Serela · « **Reply #835 on:** September 14, 2012, 07:19:35 PM »

Quote from: Raikaria on September 14, 2012, 09:56:14 AM

Same with Nitori and her Megawatt Cannon.

The difference is, Nitori's Megawatt actually -was- pretty eh, it's just that in Special Disk they gave it a ridiculously huge buff.

The formula went from factoring in 625% of the Attack stat, to 1000%.

Pandaology · « **Reply #836 on:** September 17, 2012, 12:50:47 AM »

Thanks, I Have No Name for a while ago. (That sounds weird) Yah, I really need to grind now but I just don't feel like at the moment.
It would be cool though if we had a place to store all our Charagraphs, I've managed to find a large number of different packs on the web but it involved a lot of searching.

Pesco · « **Reply #837 on:** September 17, 2012, 02:48:44 PM »

Post the charagraph download and I'll add it to the OP. I leave it to you guys to check the validity of the links.

Pandaology · « **Reply #838 on:** September 18, 2012, 01:58:41 AM »

Here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?pdk5l7dc8vy9z
I think that should work. I just uploaded all my charagraph stuff, so there will be a lot of repeats but I don't want to take the time to sort it all out.
Wasn't some doing some a long time ago? I just remember a very fluffy Chen. Does anyone still have that?

qazmlpok · « **Reply #839 on:** September 18, 2012, 07:55:53 PM »

Quote from: DarkAtma on September 05, 2012, 10:38:46 PM

has anybody found a way to fix small things like missing animations and no sounds from late bosses? also whats the best build for healer eirin?

I've fixed the missing animations, but I can't do anything about most of the missing sounds. Someone that actually knows assembly might be able to fix it, but it's beyond me.