Author Topic: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth  (Read 57137 times)

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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #120 on: November 10, 2014, 05:48:24 PM »
Play Azazel as a drive-by death bus. His range is also pretty decent as you can just hit enemies with the end of the brimstone.

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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #121 on: November 10, 2014, 05:48:55 PM »
So about those unlock conditions... how the fuck were you supposed to figure that out.  No, really.

Am I the only person who can't play Azazel to save their life?

I'm awful at close range fighting in Issac, and unless you get one of a selection of items you stay CQC, which is practically a death sentence against Heart and bosses after that.

He's great early but he's kinda a disc one nuke because of his very limited range imo. I haven't even beaten Mom with him, while I'm pretty reliably beating her with Cain/Issac now, and Issac doesn't have the D6 yet.
There are certain enemies that are absolutely dangerous as Azazel.  The main thing about him though is he's got so much power that things don't live long enough to do serious damage to him.

Play Azazel as a drive-by death bus.
this is the best description of him I've heard
« Last Edit: November 10, 2014, 05:52:07 PM by Garlyle »

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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #122 on: November 10, 2014, 05:53:49 PM »
So about those unlock conditions... how the fuck were you supposed to figure that out.  No, really.
If you die in the sacrifice room holding certain trinkets you get puzzle pieces. Put them together (over many, many deaths; obviously intended to be a long-term group effort over the whole of the interwebs) and you piece together 4 death notes depicting these deaths, presumably with the order to do them in.

In the age of mass internet information it's not that unreasonable, actually. Kinda neat. But then someone just hacked the game's assembly to figure out what to do whilst people were collecting pieces...

Meanwhile HMMM I WONDER WHAT I WANT?

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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #123 on: November 10, 2014, 06:17:25 PM »
Meanwhile HMMM I WONDER WHAT I WANT?

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Curse of the blind sucks.

At any rate, how much money have you guys poured into your donation machines? I'm sitting somewhere at 250+.
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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #124 on: November 10, 2014, 06:33:21 PM »
At any rate, how much money have you guys poured into your donation machines? I'm sitting somewhere at 250+.
Same, actually.

Character balance is pretty good. Eve and Samson are actually good characters now. Azazel is crazy strong, though. Cain might have taken the nerf bat a bit too hard (lost good pills -and- his extra damage but didn't really get anything back), but I hear he gets lots of drops due to luck foot (I've only used him once so far)

Eve can activate her curse at 1 max heart (and it might be stronger, too; it feels pretty strong!) so she's basically the "spam devil deals character" and with just a -little- luck she can be REALLY strong without many upgrades, although you have to be good at dodging (or get demon bum/nail/etc). Samson's blood lust now raises your damage for each hit you take, and lasts for the whole floor, instead of when killing enemies in a single room; this makes it a fairly stable damage up.
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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #125 on: November 10, 2014, 07:13:42 PM »
The deal with Cain is that Luck Foot lost its free auto-good-pills.  But now Lucky Foot actually increases Luck, a stat that actually does things in the game this time.

But yeah.  I feel like Lazarus is the character who's not really that good - and even then he's basically an enhanced Isaac until the d6 becomes a thing.

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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #126 on: November 10, 2014, 07:35:53 PM »
Cain was also really good for having extra starting damage before, but he lost that too.

Lazarus is alright, his resurrection also includes a damage up; it doesn't seem to do anything with no upgrades, but if you get any damage upgrades his power shoots way up. This is pretty situational though. If you want him to be good you'd probably want to spam devil deals on 1~2F and die, and hopefully get an HP up or two after reviving. He's probably the worst of the bunch though, unless you don't like Cain/Maggy. (Maggy at least gets more hearts for devil deals, but lazarus kinda does that too, she's in a weird spot where it depends almost entirely on how you value yum heart, which can be really good or kinda useless)

edit:...I keep beating boss rush, being totally powerful and awesome, and then making minor mistakes in random womb fights constantly until I die. I have 7 mom kills but have beaten boss rush with everyone but Isaac. ;_; I should be done with mom kills by now.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2014, 07:45:28 PM by Selery »
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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #127 on: November 10, 2014, 08:51:06 PM »
YOLO a Curse Room as Blue Baby, two red chests+one stone, pop Goat Head and a super troll bomb which I guide into the stone chest for a Hanged Man card.  And then consider this:



YA DONE GOOFED, GAME.

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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #128 on: November 10, 2014, 09:33:38 PM »
At... least you have Hanged Man so you can get it?

Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #129 on: November 10, 2014, 10:28:38 PM »
fuuuuuuuuuuck everythiiiiiiiiiiiing (I even had Coal and that's apparently the best thing for Head Trauma outside of a reroll room ;_;)

EDIT: OH GOD NOW I REALIZED HOW TO DO IT.

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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #130 on: November 11, 2014, 12:21:50 AM »
I now realize the mistake in picking up the soy milk as Azazel. Because of this mistake, I lost on the first floor of The Womb (but somehow managed to make it through the Boss Rush). Well, time to never pick that up as Azazel ever again!

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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #131 on: November 11, 2014, 12:36:07 AM »
Soy Milk really can only be good if you pick it up on floor 1 or 2 (with Eve).
You definitely need some heavy damage ups afterwords but if you get those then you have some dangerous weapons on you.

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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #132 on: November 11, 2014, 01:05:11 AM »
Welp, so you know how the broken stopwatch shop item randomly permaslows a room (not you, but all the enemies)

It permaslowed the boss rush room. For those not familiar with slow, the enemies move at slug speed (literally the speed of the harmless ingame slugs, more or less) and all their bullets are similarly slowed, but still fall as fast, aka they barely go anywhere. Pretty much the only way you could possibly get hit is by enemies with brimstone or damaging floor effects (esp. carrion queen's red poop) but it's still really a free win. An incredibly free win.

Spoiler:
You could even do it as The Lost, if you were godly enough to make it that far in under 20 minutes.
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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #133 on: November 11, 2014, 01:21:25 AM »
But do be careful with the broken watch as it also can do the exact reverse.
But to be fair, Red Mom at two times speed is actually amusing.

It also affects the music while it is active.

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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #134 on: November 11, 2014, 01:33:32 AM »
I had quite a good run as Cain and somehow unlocked Magdalene on this run. At Uterus 2 i found a dice room and the game transformed Cain into
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Lord of the Flies. And turns out the thing is really really hax. The Heart died with me more or less lazily dodging bullets due to it being slowed most of the time and mashing attack button.
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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #135 on: November 11, 2014, 03:01:15 AM »
...if you get two eternal hearts as Blue Baby you get a real, red heart container.

But it also makes it not count as a blue baby clear, because I won, and didn't get any of his unlocks, clear notes on the page, d6 for isaac, etc. No. No. Noooooooooooo. ;_; I didn't even need that container... wah ;_;
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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #136 on: November 11, 2014, 03:23:59 AM »
Spoiler:
You can do Boss Rush easily with The Lost because of the nine lives bug

Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #137 on: November 11, 2014, 03:24:37 AM »
Spoiler:
You can do everything easily with The Lost because of the nine lives bug

fixed that for you :V

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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #138 on: November 11, 2014, 04:37:46 AM »
it hurts so much to have a godly build as Blue Baby and then screw up enough in any area past Womb to die anyway (because they're hard as balls unless you're azazel with ludivico)

Max damage, double tears (from 20/20), piercing, really high tears rate, demon bum to reach max soul hearts, krampus head for insane damage every couple rooms, you name it

but I died in sheol anyway ;_; Because it's so hard to get through those rooms without taking a hit from something first, and all hits deal a full heart... OW. And then I panicked on Satan because nerves. QQ
« Last Edit: November 11, 2014, 04:52:09 AM by Selery »
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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #139 on: November 11, 2014, 04:42:25 AM »
Earlier I had the Bible in the Head Trauma challenge but got attritioned out in Depths II not getting any health to drop. :V

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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #140 on: November 11, 2014, 08:20:26 PM »
I looked at the bean challenge and tried it. I think I will pass on this one for now. X D
The Doctor Fetus Challenge is harder than it looks. You would think I would get a bomb upgrade at someone point somewhere unless...
Wait a minute, aren't those usually gotten in treasure room? How evil! X D

I managed to clear the Guppy challenge. Things like Bob Brain and an helper helped to make up for the inability to shoot.
Also,
Spoiler:
Krampus Head
can actually help you generate a ton of attack flies. X D

I manage to clear the card challenge as well.
Spoiler:
Cards Against Humanity
+ the Petrified Poop made me stupidly rich on first floor! 2 of Diamond afterward was overkill! X D
Spoiler:
Dark Bum
helped me stay healthy.
Getting a Sun card during the mom fight didn't hurt either. :P

...maybe I should get those couple womb ending I am missing. X D

Oh by the way, I got to see some hole that had a ladder in them. I mean, like a end level to the next floor hole but with a ladder.
Should you find one, I suggest you to check it out, it's neat. Why? I am not telling. :P

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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #141 on: November 12, 2014, 04:15:58 AM »
Oh by the way, I got to see some hole that had a ladder in them.
Oh yeah, I saw a few of those...Hard as balls to find, I don't think they're under blue rocks.

Speaking of hard as balls...I FINALLY BEAT SATAN FOR THE FIRST TIME! :D I also discovered the awesomeness of flaming tears. I oddly enough had the items for a soul heart ruin (Relic, Dark Bum, even had a Book of Revelations spawn but I didn't pick up for some reason ???) but I ended up with more red hearts than I knew what to do with.

Maybe I'll try unlocking
Spoiler:
The Lost
next...Might be annoying as hell but I refuse to back down from completing this game!

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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #142 on: November 12, 2014, 07:55:19 AM »
Beat Satan for the first time.
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Walk to the right -> Get Dark Bum. That's all.
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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #143 on: November 12, 2014, 12:02:58 PM »
Recently beat Isaac with Azazel. Ironically, I found the second (or third?) phase of the fight easier than the first, as just staying in the corners for the light beam attack seems to keep you safe. It's a good thing too, I was at half a heart!

Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #144 on: November 12, 2014, 02:39:42 PM »
every time i see bullet hell patterns in this game i cant help but think of sapz's signature :derp:

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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #145 on: November 12, 2014, 05:11:58 PM »
Congratulations guys for you first time wins. ^^

I managed to unlock
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It Lives
then a few challenges appeared which is a very bad sign. ^^;;;

I also unlocked
Spoiler:
Blue Baby
and died again and again until I managed to get a run where a fortune teller device got super generous and gave me a ton of soul heart and a rosary which I suspect helped.
Getting Spirit of the Night and Infamy was a big boon. I managed to beat
Spoiler:
the cathedral
despite having something like 4 hearts for the boss battle.
I also have unlocked the D6. ^^

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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #146 on: November 13, 2014, 03:57:55 AM »
For those trying to unlock the super secret hidden character:
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You can seed the first three runs; only the last one needs to be unseeded.  There's some good ones offered here

Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #147 on: November 13, 2014, 05:19:57 AM »
I died in Womb II, sadly, but this seed was pretty fun: 79GQ WD2S
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ipecac + triple shot
. I was Eve, not sure if your character choice affects the RNG from there, but I ended up not even really needing Whore of Babylon by pretty early in.

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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #148 on: November 14, 2014, 03:27:02 AM »
Dead Boy get.  Judas run on Normal, got an early Experimental Treatment that actually boosted my attack, and then added Parasite, Monstro's Lung, and some tears up.  Eventually added Guppy and bouncing shots from the
Spoiler:
Dark Room
chests, and killed
Spoiler:
The Lamb
in three shots,
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One for the first form, one for the head, and one for the body

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Re: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
« Reply #149 on: November 14, 2014, 03:48:17 AM »
Dead Boy get.  Judas run on Normal, got an early Experimental Treatment that actually boosted my attack, and then added Parasite, Monstro's Lung, and some tears up.  Eventually added Guppy and bouncing shots from the
Spoiler:
Dark Room
chests, and killed
Spoiler:
The Lamb
in three shots,
Spoiler:
One for the first form, one for the head, and one for the body
Dang, that guy's a tank, impressive.

I just beat that with Isaac on Hard Mode using a... fairly non special and non-overpowered setup, actually, which was very surprising and interesting, and a heartpumping fight I won with half a heart remaining. What I had going for me was The Wafer (the one awesome thing I had, all damage is half a heart) paired with only decent tears, supplemented by the awesome Tech .5 and a very necessary Emperor card; it's worth it to beat those challenges, most of the stuff you get (like tech .5) is great.

For that matter, everyone unlocks a follower baby shooter thing for beating Mom's Heart on Hard Mode- with one for every character, I'm wondering how often they'll pop up in the item rooms... but yeah, you do get something for doing Hard Mode other than shiny red clear stamps! Thank god you don't have to beat more than that, though... the only changes seem to be fewer drops, a bit more champions, and slightly harder room layouts, but you really do get ALMOST NO DROPS AT ALL. Very very little money, bombs, keys (nooo the item rooms!) or hearts.
Spoiler:
The Lost has a full set of unlocks by the way. Dear god. I hope they aren't upgrades in the item list. Or that if they are, they're hidden ones at the end.

I don't know why I did it with blue baby first but at least I got that out of the way. *Shudder* Meanwhile I'll share an image of a different blue baby run... thank god I was strong enough I no longer required vision.
Spoiler:
Cricket's Body
is an awesome item, making
Spoiler:
your tears split into 4 on hit and splash around, surely hitting your target one or two more times for -hugely- increased damage. Increases tears or dmg too, one of those.
Got it from an arena room... the blue/red sword room thing.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2014, 04:25:29 AM by Selery »
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