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« on: April 16, 2011, 12:46:47 AM »
Hello. As a touhou fan, I assume you're more or less interested in myths like youkai, ghost, demon and so on? This thread is to share what you know and what you've experienced. Maybe not the usual entertainment, but I guess it's fine ;)

First, as the new TH13, I'd like to share something I know about Jiang Shi...
Jiang Shi is originally from China, the taoists (shaman for clearer definition) couldn't pay the fee to transport all the soldiers' corpse back home so they decided to revive them and let them walk by themselves. They discovered this when a black cat (in some stories, a black lynx) jumped over a corpse and it jumped up. A huge success! Except... the Jiang shi weren't intelligent enough to behave, and went on a rampage. Their instinct drove them to seek Chi (life force) from living creatures and human was of course a meal. Sooooo, the escorting team fought back, but heck, as a corpse the Jiang Shi didn't feel pain, they also gained a great deal of defense due to their body decay. Because of this, the Jiang Shi's only way of travelling is hopping, with their arms outstretched (to grab the prey). They were enhanced with Taoist magic and became very very dangerous. The soldiers can't defeat them, in fact, there was no way to defeat a Jiang Shi at that time. So, people sit down and discussed. They then found out these techniques:

1. To avoid a Jiang Shi:
- They're dead, so they can't see nor smell. The only way for them to target is sound. That's right, do not run or scream when you see a Jiang shi. Stand still and hold your breath, they'll pass you.
- They're summoned by Taoist magic, so it's possible to counter it with taoist magic (they use I Ching, which heavily bases on Yin-Yang: everything has a counterpart). A charm, a mirror or a ba guai sign on your door, the Jiang Shi can't pass it (but they can jump in your windows so I don't see any point)
- A bunch of monk chanting an anti-evil chant, this works on every kind of Chinese demon, quite expensive tho, and also requires the monks to outlevel the evil, or else they can still go in and kill everyone.
- A rooster: its call bring the Sun, and the Sun pushes down all evil. We all knew that didn't we.

2. To defeat a Jiang Shi:
- Dislocate the joints, they can't attack.
- Cut off the head, pretty typical.
- Hold the legs tightly. This will eventually stop the Jiang Shi, their body is hardened and straight, so they can't reach you as you lay down on the ground.
- Stab it with a weapon made of peach wood (like silver in western myth)
- Fire.
- Black dog's blood: dog is the animal that can sense spirits and protect you from evil, the black dog is the superior at this (myth, don't ask me why). So they say its blood works wonder on evil.
- Sunlight.

In the chart of Asian demons, Jiang Shi is placed "dangerous", higher than normal zombie or ghost, less than normal fighting youkai. They are also listed as a "servant" like shikigami because the taoists can controlled them now.

So yeah, they're full of weakness right? But the Chinese didn't think it's enough. They then realized how effective it'd be if they used Jiang Shi on war. An army of dead who you don't need to care about casualty, deadly and don't know to betray! Sooo ideal. Therefore, the Taoists and monks once again made them massively, with more power. Actually they didn't give them more power, but at one session, there was a thunder. This made one Jiang Shi much more stronger with enhanced magic. It can then walk like normal people, go through wall, can't be controlled by normal skilled taoists and have a surreal speed. They are called Dai Jiang Shi, cut off their heads doesn't do anything, they can pick it up and place it back now.

Screwed? Not yet. These Dai Jiang Shi then went even further thanks to some monk who used everything he knew to revive his love. The girl turned into a Jiang Shi with full memory, not afraid of charms, ba gua mirror, can be active in board day light and can even swim. The girl found out her body is super and instead of living with the monk, she killed him and went on a rampage. There was no way to stop her, the whole city died and hundreds of monks are summoned to sealed her. They had to cut off her head, put it in a jar and locked it in the deepest, most secret cave. Her body was tied and kept in another place.

So, that's the story of Jiang Shi, and all of them as you can tell, are just made up horror stories. However, years ago when my grandpa died, we flew from HCM city to Hanoi (Vietnam) to look at him the last time. You know, we kept the coffin in the house for some days for the monks to chant, the relatives to cry and the music to play. I and my mom arrived at midnight, and she passed out crying. I didn't cry, but I loved m grandpa, so I drew close and look at his face through the glass. Suddenly a black cat rushed in and jumped over the coffin. I saw my grandpa opened his eyes and his body bounced. The coffin was hit hard and almost fell off... The cat then ran away as quietly as it appeared, and everything went back to normal.

Later I read an explanation... it was electricity. The meat part below the cat's feet have (+) current while the corpse has (-), when a cat jumps over it makes an electrical current enough to move the body. Although it wasn't very clear but I suppose it stopped the fear in me.

I'll tell another story later, as it's 2am here... why don't you share yours? Touhou related or any paranormal activity will do ;)

Re: Myths
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2011, 01:00:24 AM »
That's pretty damned interesting, and that story about your grandfather is terrifying. There was one bit that really caught my interest:

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- They're dead, so they can't see nor smell. The only way for them to target is sound. That's right, do not run or scream when you see a Jiang shi. Stand still and hold your breath, they'll pass you.
First, apparantly (and I'm not a hundred percent accurate if this is true) the second stage boss controls sounds and sound waves. So, there could be some interesting potential between those two... Second, in the game "Deadly Premonition", the zombie/ghost/spirits that are your enemies are blind, and you can sneak past by holding your breath. I wonder if they were inspired by the Jiang Shi...

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Re: Myths
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2011, 01:06:21 AM »
Great explanation of jiang-shi to others! The extra stories involving them helped my understanding of them as well (knew what they were since Chinese mythology is also common in Korea, but not the actual stories themselves....)

Maybe that cat was a nekomata or kasha :colonveeplusalpha:

As for the personal story, that was surprising. That may have been the impetus for the myth to start with.
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Re: Myths
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2011, 01:13:15 AM »
It really isn't much of a far cry to call a Jiangshi the Chinese version of a vampire, though they ARE zombies in a way I guess? I don't like calling them zombies like some people would, though, they're much tougher than that. >_>

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Re: Myths
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2011, 01:20:40 AM »
It really isn't much of a far cry to call a Jiangshi the Chinese version of a vampire, though they ARE zombies in a way I guess? I don't like calling them zombies like some people would, though, they're much tougher than that. >_>
Unfortunately it's quite far. Vampire lives on blood and will be weakened greatly without it. Jiang Shi on the other hand don't. They eat flesh and drink blood for Chi, but it's NOT essential. A vampire without blood will die in years (strong) but a Jiang Shi can hop around for eternity and still kick ass. Let's say blood to the Jiang Shi is like sex, they love it but they can live without it.
Vampire and Jiang Shi have a lot in common (weakness) but they're not the same, Jiang Shi is more of a zombie than a vampire. Also Jiang Shi can't use magic, walk through wall is an ability.

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Re: Myths
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2011, 01:28:35 AM »
Fair enough, I didn't study Chinese mythology very much despite being Chinese myself (hurr) so I guess I have some misconception... =w=

I'm more interested in other kinds, mostly European mythology.

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Re: Myths
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2011, 02:26:50 AM »
YES!

This thread is already amazing.  I absolutely love myths and the like! :3

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Re: Myths
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2011, 11:36:57 AM »
Ok that's enough about Jiang Shi, now I'll share something else: Dolls.

If Mr.Forte Blackadder is afraid or hate of anything in this world, it would be dolls and clowns! So why are dolls scary? Let me tell you my story...

When I and my sister was young, we're gifted a child-size stuffed bear and a russian doll. Of course it's completely normal. However, we were very naughty and used the gifts to wrestle. Soon, they were broken and put in a case in my parents' bedroom. Years passed and we'd forgotten about them. Then, when I was 15, my mother said she heard some noise at night and felt like there was a stranger in the room. She even dreamt that when she woke up at midnight, the doll was standing by her side and grabbing her hand. She got scared then changed room, she slept with my sis and I slept with my dad in their bedroom. That night, I dreamt that something was puling my leg, opened my eyes and saw the case opened. The bear and the doll were standing in there. The day after, I asked my dad to lock the case and waited. When the night came, I tried to stay awake. There was some noise from the case, as if something was trapped here and trying to get out. I thought those toys got possessed or haunted... so I took them out and fix them, also put them in the house with other new toys. My sister didn't know about all this and started to play with them again, nothing strange happened anymore.

Until a year later. We got a cat and we basically threw everything outta windows, cats FTW! So yes, all the toys were put in the storage room because the cat was naughty and we didn't want it damage everything. We forgot about all the toys. Some time later, my mother said she heard some noise in the storage room. I also heard noises like someone chiming chopsticks. In my country, knocking chopstick to make noise is a no-no because the sound calls spirits. But I think it's nothing strange because I've heard that noise since I was young, maybe it was just some pink haired fertile looking hungry ghost trying to find food. The day after, our cat always growled and went full fighting mode whenever he passed the storage room, he also bit my leg when I try to go in there. When my aunt visited with her loved dog, the dog didn't quarrel with the cat, instead started barking non-stop at the storage room and sit there like a guard, I told my parents about the dolls and we decided to burn them. End.

So, nothing harmful happened in this story, either. However, I did some research and found out dolls are one of the most haunted things ever in the world. We have a lot of country with doll horror stories like China, Japan, US, UK,... So let's start on the general types.

Chinese Dolls/Voodoo: it's not the same as Japanese voodoo, made with straw. It's basically a doll with full face, clothes and everything, some of them are made from paper. Apart from being toys, these guys are used by the Taoists (them again, yeah) to curse people. Also to guard the house from burglars, robbers and evil spirits. The later is good, but the only problem is those dolls can't tell the difference between good and bad, they curse everything and everyone go in the house without the owner's permission, so if you're his best friend and visit when he's away, you're screwed. These dolls often got forgotten after generation (you're less likely to tell your kids that you have a cursed doll in your house right?) and when the kids sell the house, the new owner get screwed. How do these dolls work? They don't appear and kill you, they don't even have a spirit. Actually, the maker is the one that decided how they curse. The dolls represent the intruders, and whatever he do to the doll will be the curse. The most common is to tie a string on the neck, so the intruder will get hang. This myth is scary, because they never appear and unless you knew it before, you have no way to counter attack. When in the house, strange noises and feelings will appear as the dolls start "working", but you will never see them, until you die. To avoid this is simply run out of the house when you hear the noises or feel someone is coming. Higher-trained Taoist is the only one to spot them and stop the curse. Monks are often useless in this case, because their ways of "magic" are different.

Japanese Dolls: cute little girls on the shelves, yes that's them. These dolls are possessed by vengeful or wander spirits, the most common case is the spirit of the owner. These dolls have power to walk silently and use psychokinesis. They also have a communication between other dolls in the house and control the non-possessed ones. These girls can kill and enjoy it. They're placed "very dangerous" due to the fear they spread in the house, make the victims suffer great mental torture before killing them. These dolls can also make traps to prevent you from running away, so the only one to fight them in to burn everything down. However, not all of Japanese dolls are murderous. Some of them come to life because a specific someone treat them with so much care. They will be their guardian for life. One of the cases is love. In Japan, some inns have a cute doll at the front door, and when a nice guy come in, greet the doll with a smile every time he passes, it may fall for him. Someone may think it's good, cos he has a guardian but, well, the doll is yandere, and she will make sure he's hers. Most of the time the guy gets scared because he feels someone's watching in midnight, and screams when see the doll "mysteriously" sit on his desk or even lay on his bed. Also the guy may have a girlfriend, in which case, welcome to the haunted house. These dolls can eventually grow like a human being, despite their bodies are made in paper of whatever. So if you're really lonely, you may want one as a wife. I love yandere so I approve this ;)

Western Dolls: First difference is, the Asian dolls don't directly kill the victim, when the Western ones do. Why, because they're made from hard material like plastic or wood. Their size are often larger too. I assume you've already known about Robert, if you haven't, google him. Most of these dolls get possessed by the sadness of the owner not playing with them anymore, and thus destroy the house, even kill people who try to get rid of it or stand between it and the owner. One more thing is they can be active even in daylight, unlike the Asian ones. So you know how to deal with them: play with them, be Alice and be happy.



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Re: Myths
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2011, 01:20:50 PM »
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This is some interesting stuff. May I ask your sources?

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Re: Myths
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2011, 01:28:20 PM »
Wow, I never really come to this part of the forums, and seeing this thread is really interesting.

Yea, the one about your grandpa is really scary >.< I've watched a lot of horror movies about Jiang Shi and damn, if that ever happens to me I don't know what I'll do. I doubt I'll be able to stand still and hold my breath because I'll most probably be running around in circles, shouting and panicking like a mad man  :ohdear:

Dolls are really creepy. Once when I was younger (about 5 or 6) I remember I used to have a lot of stuffed bears and dolls and all near my bed. They're all always nicely aligned before I go to sleep and I recall this one time when I woke up and saw one of them blink, and slightly moved I think... was it all just a dream? Was it all just in my mind? Or did it really happen? I don't know, I remember I gave it to my (elder) sister the day after. Right now, even though it's been over a decade, I'm still a little paranoid to go into my sister's room as it is sitting in one corner of her room... watching the door...

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Western Dolls: First difference is, the Asian dolls don't directly kill the victim, when the Western ones do. Why, because they're made from hard material like plastic or wood. Their size are often larger too. I assume you've already known about Robert, if you haven't, google him. Most of these dolls get possessed by the sadness of the owner not playing with them anymore, and thus destroy the house, even kill people who try to get rid of it or stand between it and the owner. One more thing is they can be active even in daylight, unlike the Asian ones. So you know how to deal with them: play with them, be Alice and be happy.

I hate them, I hate Chucky (because of the above reason, I never dared to watch it when I was a kid), and I just googled Robert... I'm scared now  :ohdear:

According to wiki, Robert is over a hundred years old, doesn't that technically make him a youkai (Tsukumogami)?
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Re: Myths
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2011, 01:30:39 PM »
Whoa.  That doll stuff was pretty interesting!  The way you described them at first kinda reminded me of Tsukumogami just without the whole "one-hundred years" catch.

Either way, that was awesome stuff.  Hopefully the plethora of stuffed animals that are kept in our basement don't come alive looking for vengeance or something.

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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2011, 03:05:12 PM »
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Movies, fictions and stories. I've been finding them since I was a kid with great curiosity so I'm afraid I can't list my sources.

The next one is not really scary, but still something people like to know...

Celestial race.

First things first. Long, long ago, there were three kingdoms: Heaven, Earth, Hell. Heaven where Gods lived, Earth for human and Hell for demons. Human, tried their best to improve themselves, study and train, until one day they climbed the highest mountain and set food on the clouds. Gods thought these guys are good and deserved to be treated better, so they let them stay in the Cloud, have access to Heaven. There are two ways people can choose to be here, one is to study and follow Taoism, the other is Buddhism. However, Buddhists when reach enlightenment they became Buddha and go to Nirvana, where they spend time observing life and calm their souls, so Heaven Clouds eventually became a place for Taoists. After that, Gods slowly withdrew from ruling Heaven and pass the throne to the Celestial. They became the ruler of Heaven, had direct power upon Earth and Hell, their King can control the Yamas and some strong, wise Celestial were worshiped on Earth. They have utmost respect and often seek advice from Buddhas and True Gods when there is a crisis they can't handle alone. But they're powerful enough to get some Gods bow down to them, like the Dragon God who controls the Eastern Ocean for instance.

The Celestial spend their time drinking wine, playing chess and making drug (Jindan 仙丹 - magical pill). They then found a peach tree that grow on the highest mountains, only blossom and have fruits once in 100 years. The peaches from these trees contains divine magic that can make the consumer young forever, enhance the body or even give immortality.  The concept is because it grows in Heaven, the peaches are absolute pure and can purify all the "dirt" from Earth that makes people go bad (age, illness, weak...). And the purer the consumer become, the longer life he'll live (you think you heard of this crap somewhere? Probably the Moon ;))

The Celestial was originally human, but after reaching this stage, they became prideful and look down on Earth. They accept people that worked hard to be a Celestial but they loathe creatures that got "lucky" or went through a shortcut. One of those "bastards" is youkai. The youkai eat other living creature, train themselves recklessly and gain power equivalent to the Celestial. Of course, the Celestial know better than judge every youkai from the majority, they accepted some youkai that followed the right path: mediation. But almost all of those youkai were turtle, which already had their reputation for being wise and good. The others were so bad, they even waged war for rank and defy divinity. Things wouldn't go so bad as the Celestial would just stay on Heaven and youkai would just stay on Earth if thousands of years ago, there wasn't a random thunder hit a certain rock. That thunder was from Heaven, and that rock was from mother Earth, which then gave birth to a monkey who had enough power to rival Celestial right away.

The monkey was so naughty, it wasn't satisfied just by being the Strongest Youkai, the Monkey King, it wanted to be in Heaven like the Celestial. The Celestial made a mistake and let the monkey in, it then ate almost all the peaches, drank all the wine, swallowed all the pills and even got burnt in the hottest pill-making-pot in Heaven. The flame couldn't kill it, instead made him even stronger! At that time, the monkey was powerful enough to single-handedly defeat the whole Heaven, kick the King's ass and sit on the throne. The only person could deal with him was the Grand Buddha.
Yes, that youkai was later known as Sun Wukong. The only youkai that officially stronger than Celestial, Oni, Vampire and Buddha, titled himself "The Great God that equals to Heaven" (齊天大聖).

Of course there are many flaws in this "Journey to the West" story. If we dig deeper, there were at least 5 Celestial that can easily defeat Wukong at his peak.

So, the Celestial was the one created Sun Wukong, or to be more exact, they unintentionally trained him to be so strong. Because of this incident, Celestial King made a rule that never associate with youkai and eventually stopped their involvement with Earth. (because when people got trouble with youkai, they pray for "Gods") This rule made the Yamas upset because they now have to deal with youkai in the Celestial's place. A huge prison was created, named "18 levels of Hell" with worst tortures ever. Every creatures who died have to face a trial to either go to Heaven, reincarnation, Hell or this prison. Because of this, the crime rate on Earth decreased greatly and youkai stopped acting recklessly like before. Because apart from Wukong, they are still inferior to Celestial and Death to avoid being punished.

Years after, Heaven had completely gotten separated from Earth, they started to spend life like before: playing chess, drinking wine and getting bored. But they still follow the rule of not letting any youkai or not qualified creatures in Heaven. At that time, there was a certain daughter of a certain Celestial family....

Not to be continued... lol :D

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Re: Myths
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2011, 03:31:00 PM »
Okay, here's a brief explanation of joss paper:

Once upon a side of beef, there lived a Chinese paper-maker guy. He was dirt poor and stuff, so he couldn't buy decent materials to make paper. And not only was his paper too rough to write on, people at the time had little use for paper, so he died poor and alone.

The villagers discovered this and, as per tradition, burnt his stuff in the case that it would be sent to Heaven, including the paper. This happened as the paper-maker was kneeling in front of the Yama, viewing his life through the magic mirror. Somehow, the smoke from the paper turned into gold (symbolizing his hard work), and the Yama accepted this as payment if the paper-maker wanted to be given a second chance at life.

His body was about to be buried when he shot up from his coffin and told the story to everyone else... and that is why Chinese funerals involve burning joss paper. PYROMANIAAAAAAAAAA


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Re: Myths
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2011, 03:39:38 PM »
His body was about to be buried when he shot up from his coffin and told the story to everyone else... and that is why Chinese funerals involve burning joss paper. PYROMANIAAAAAAAAAA

I once spent one day of doing absolutely nothing but folding joss paper into "money for the dead," for a funeral.

It was... chock full of morbid humor, I would say, considering I wasn't alone while doing it. >_>

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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2011, 05:05:34 PM »
Curiosity about Robert and google.

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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2011, 05:22:15 PM »
Curiosity about Robert and google.

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I feel like the only one who couldn't find it. :ohdear:

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Re: Myths
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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2011, 08:00:32 PM »
I'm pretty sure cats hiss, not growl, but other than that these descriptions are very informative and interesting. Especially the Jiang-Shi one was fascinating, what with the more powerful versions. I'm looking forward to seeing more. :)

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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2011, 01:39:32 PM »
Ok now back to the scary myth... I'll talk about this wife of mine, Yakumo Yukari. I'm not sure if there is a specific youkai for gaps in Japanese myth and I couldn't find one, but I know there was one story told by my aunt (who loves ghost stories to the point you can call her "ghost maniac"), which happened in the UK:

Long time ago, there was a adventurous girl, who loved to climb mountains, explore caves and travel in forests. She had a lot of friends who came with her in her adventures. And one day, they arrived to an abandoned village. This village was in the foot of a dead volcano. That night, an earthquake happened. The girl got trapped in her camp, rocks fell on her, crushed her body. She yelled for help, but her friends abandoned her and ran away. The rocks from the mountain kept falling and eventually buried the girl, still screaming. Later, a rescue team arrived and tried to dig her corpse out, but they found nothing. The body disappeared. Blood traces showed her crawled out, but it was impossible because the rocks were very heavy, and the traces only appeared around a tiny gap. They assumed her body was crushed and the blood gushed out, but still couldn't explain why the body disappeared.

The friends, settled down in their town and tried to forget the disaster, but one after one started to get haunted, shouting at night and crying for help. When the police arrived, they all said the same thing: "She is in my house!" However, they said different places where the girl appeared, one said she showed up when she opened the drawer, one said she hid under the bed, one said the hand crawled in through the gap below the locked door. The police found some blood in those mentioned places, but couldn't find anything else.  The friends later all went insane, some committed suicide. The case was closed as the police saw no point in arresting a ghost.

Of course, she's Vietnamese and only been to England once, I can't say if this story is accurate. However, according to her, the gap ghost was trying to get help. She was so scared she didn't realized she was dead, thus couldn't go to the afterlife. She wasn't dangerous nor trying to harm anyone, but her appearance: bloody, crushed body, weak echo voice makes her so creepy that nobody could stay calm to help her. Her behaviour is misleading too: trying to grab you and pull, because she wanted you to save her in panic. These actions made her look like she wanted revenge, so her friends freaked out. Noone knows what'll happen if you stay calm and pull her out of the gap, but surely if you run away, she will go after you forever. Unless you live in a box with no gap whatsoever, you can't escape her. She will appear under your table, from the gap between your bed and the wall, or from even inside your blankets.

Though the appearances and behaviours of this gap ghost is the same as the Onryo, but deep inside it was different. One is vengeful and kill people, one is scared and seek help. However due to the panic Gap Ghost has, the result is pretty much the same: the victim either gets insane from horror or die. There are many ways to differ these two:

1. Onryo doesn't talk much, stay cold in all circumstances while the Gap Ghost always in tears and panic.
2. Onryo appears suddenly and mostly when you open the door, can't go through wall and door but Ghost Gap can slide herself through the gap.
3. Onryo often appear when there is only one person. Gap Ghost appears more often where there is more people.

The counterpart of them is unknown, but Gap Ghost is really not harmful, even when she grabs you, she doesn't pull you like Onryo does, if you're scared, just bash her hand away and run. However, if you do this you may anger her and eventually turn her into an Onryo, so I advice to pull her out.

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« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2011, 01:51:31 PM »
The description sounds similar to something I read about once before in a manga about allegories., though I can't really remember what the Ghost's intent was.

Either way, I like the entries you post as they're about youkai you don't hear about very often.

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« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2011, 01:56:36 PM »
Of course those myths are spread by mouth, and it may be modified by the teller to fit their own fantasy so I can say you must heard of similar stories somewhere else :D
Most of the youkai in Gensokyo if dig to the myths are pretty scary and ugly, I'm grateful the doujinka did such wonderful works.

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Re: Myths
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2011, 03:38:14 PM »
Ah, but this gap ghost you remind me of Hanako of the toilet
did you know in every school there is a Hanako story, when in fact there is only one true Hanako source/truth story?
It was said the girl got trapped during the war eras, probably in the days when the US were bombing even civilians during WW2 in the toilets, and thats how she became Hanako.
not a vengeful ghost or anything, but Hanako is a story that is typical to human fantasy and twisting that she become a distorted image of what she once was, she was just begging to come out but no one ever helped her.

and with time, myths about how she would ask you if you would wear a red shirt... becomes true. but these are modern stories.

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The other scarier one I heard was when I was a kid and we were exploring the magic of quija boards.
if you follow the story of quija boards, you would know it is one of the oldest forms of fortune telling much like the i-ching and there is nothing inherently evil about it. but in the myths twisted by today's vivid imaginations, it was said that the quija board invites two types of spirits
 one is the holy spirit which tells you good fortune and bad fortune alike, and tells you things you wanted to know. You invite them to go back to their 'realm' if you place fruits and burn incense.

one if the spirit of children... it is said human, and most of all curiosity brought forth similiar consciousness of children who are dead. and when playing the quija board, the reason why you block all four sides of the game board square is to block the entry of 'sneaking children' who are there to join the game and make friends... forever. They will haunt you, and no matter how you try to whisk them away, lonesome children unable to go to the afterlife will forever cling to the 'friend' they have made. One theory suggests that the children may be affected by how close they feel when they are often asked of intimate questions by their 'askers'

and those who asked are whisked into a foul cat and mouse game where they must hide from the children/.. but you can't.
One theory also suggests the best way to appease them is that you bring candy to the game, remember to offer to them as they otherwise will choose friendship.
but even then, such urban versions often vary with toys, or offerings being made in the form of say... glass balls, which were common game toys back in the world war.
Most of my stories also come during the world war.
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Re: Myths
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2011, 03:56:26 PM »
Ah, I knew about that board too.We have one in Vietnam and the schoolers are really into it when they have holidays.
There were a lot of story about people who played it get possessed, haunted and cursed. I played it twice with my cousins, and nothing really "mysterious" happened. So we decided to play it on the roof, in a full moon night. It was about 7-8 years ago...
I can't recall the night clearly, but something happened and we swore not to play it ever again. My sister also got sick for 3 days and one cousin then had a phobia of mirror.

I wish I can remember, my childhood was full of mystery and ghost experience, most of them were probably just a kid's viewpoint of stuffs like shadow or so but nevertheless, very thrilling.

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Re: Myths
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2011, 04:12:49 PM »
I never really come along to these parts of the boards, but this thread has really caught my attention.

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Re: Myths
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2011, 09:23:51 AM »
Yo, AF. Long time no see  :V

Hey, that Hanako myth sounds familiar. I heard one from a friend of mine about this Japanese toilet ghost, asking "red or blue" (Red meaning you get cut from behind and wear the "red shirt" and blue meaning you get hanged to the ceiling), is it the same one? Because he never really mentioned the name.

Oh and I'm kinda wondering, is it quija, ouija or luija? I've heard stories bout that board but I never get the spelling right.

A friend of my sister's actually played with it once. It was a long time ago, back when he was still a little kid, and he didn't believe it when he played with his friends. He thought they were just screwing with him by moving the piece (coin, glass, whatever) themselves. He tried it by himself one night and after realizing it was real he got really scared and went to bed right away. In the middle of the night, he felt someone tugging on his leg and when he opened his eyes he saw the board on the floor, with someone (or someTHING) with long hair, sitting on it. My sister never told me what he did after that but she did say he put the board away and never played with it ever again... (Whether it was just a nightmare or if he were lying about the story, i don't know >.<)
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Re: Myths
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2011, 11:33:17 AM »
I just read all of these... and now I look at Touhou at a whole new point.

I love what you got there,  Forte.

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Re: Myths
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2011, 03:02:47 PM »
Well done OP, probably the first wall of text I ever read on this site

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Re: Myths
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2011, 03:26:22 PM »
BTW, Hanako and Red Cape, Blue Cape are featured as Nue's spellcards in DS.

As for ouija boards... I've heard stories, and after numerous accounts, I don't really wanna try those.


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Re: Myths
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2011, 04:01:48 PM »
...This topic is gold. I love it. I love reading all of these stories. OP, you are amazing.

But do you allow requests? You said your aunt told many ghost stories. Are there stories that remind you of Mima?
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