Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)

[Raikaria]

Not to mention the 'scum lynch' that would reveal two scums. Why shoot for one that, as Kilga says, may not even be in the setup, when you have two suspects that would clear or condemn each other?

[Raikaria]

Basically wouldn't a townie that suspects me and Serela+Huh rather go for the two-for-one offer?

[Serela]

This seems kind of like a trap question when it seems fairly obvious that me/HW are not getting lynched today

However the fact that CF7's actual vote is both A.The other person who agrees on me/hw scum and B.He thinks they're a third party (which we have to reason to think is around, so far), rather then thinking they're scum

those are both whattt

[CF7]

Basically it's guesswork without knowing anything. Like an equation with all unknowns. I'm still suspicious of that out of nowhere masons claim. Justification "HW is silly" is wonky at best. Still there's no single vote on any of them. Somehow noone except me haven't thought about that they actually might be scum. Yes it's risky. Yet it's highly profitable in return. From what i've seen and can say, that HW likes to gamble somewhat in mafia. So why not? But starting the wagon that noone might follow is, well... waste of a vote. Plus even if we don't have a third party it doesn't make Raikaria any less scummy. Something like that.
Anyway work hours are over. Will be back in an hour or so.

[BT]

BT's content since I left consists of hoping on the easiest wagon ever and making flavor arguments.  Like anyone gives a fuck about flavor.  And it's not like just 1 post it's the majority of his content. The masons could be two people who hate each other's guts in the story and I would not care.  Because he's giving the masons a clear less because of their actions, (Serela has none lol) and more because they're flavor fantastic which is hilarious.  I mean he's going to sit there and townread Zakeri because his character matches his claim which is what every fucking scum fakeclaim is ever.
Voting goes here.

None of this is true.

Real talk: people are assuming that Scum!Rai would have realized that lynchig Serela is bad but I really don't think so. The fact that he thought to bring the agrument up in the first place is probably proof that he thought he'd be able to convince people that lynching the mason is useful. He got told otherwise and dropped it.

Raikaria's vote on Serela was cast before huhwhat claimed masons which means the vote was a lot more compelling when he first opted to cast it. That he'd choose to go with the Serela route and not just vote Dormio is noteworthy, I guess. The arguments against both are pretty much crap and scum!him could have worded it differently to join the Dormio wagon. Though, again, he probably thought he had a good argument with the "this vote will solve hw/zak problems" thing so that would explain why he thought Serela was a better vote.

It comes down to his content today and it's crap. Serela/Dormio is all buzzwords. When he needs to switch off of Serela, all the other names he dropped in the last post are a thing of the past as he just proceeds to jump on the easy opportunity given.

The CF7 post in question is giving me a headache. I'd roll with the "unsubstantiated reads" thing but his reads look like that all the time. Okay no the problem is here:

Raikaria. I'm not sure what to make out of this.

Well, your overall behavior. First you're acting silly, people call you on it. Then you try to play normally. Give scum reads, and all that. Votes Serela, and then out of blue suggest let's lynch a lurker. Which is me and  which is not entirely correct.
Considering other people are suspecting that you're scum, whom i think scum themselves, either it's a really heavy bussing on their part, or you're really SK.

Basically it escalated too fast. Second post almost makes it sound like a building suspicion from ED1 but first post disproves that.

CF7 and Raikaria are actually really similar because both basically jumped on eachother, both have questionable content. CF7's claim sounds townish but that's it. Latest post stretches that there was no single vote on serela/huhwhat which isn't true. Fuck.

[SB]

@Zak when you see this, does your characters name have 5 vowels in it

[BT]

Part of the reconsideration is re-reading to decide where my vote should now go, lest I get shouted at for an empty unvote again.

You guys aren't happy either way, are you?

Okay so this rereading presumably started here:

@ BT: And what's so good about Serela/Huh What that makes them trustworthy? I see nothing pro-town either. I see Huh What being... Huh What, and Serela Serelaflailing. At the same time, with each other.

Eh, I'mma gonna think on this for a while.

An hour before CF7 came along and he said fuck it and voted.

If he was in the process of rereading he pretty much aborted that and now he's still harping on the CF7 thing and doing nothing else, because having a vote is the important thing.

[Raikaria]

This seems kind of like a trap question when it seems fairly obvious that me/HW are not getting lynched today

It's a question based on CF7's own horrible logic. If by his PoV you are Huh What are scum, what possible justification would there be for voting me over voting someone you think is part of a scumpair that would confirm the other being scum?

It doesn't matter that you're not getting lynched. It's a question about CF7's logic. Or lack thereof.

[Raikaria]

Also I guess I should explain what my command earlier does, seeing as I'm kinda a wagon.

As a Day Action, by posting in the thread, every day, I can 'Curse' someone with Insomnia, enabling them to speak during the night phase in the thread.

[Kilgamayan]

I admit it's rather unlikely that either mason claim is getting lynched today, but the vote was not cast out of consolidation pressure. You push who you think is most likely to be scum until the environment forces you elsewhere. (Not just vote, but actively push - voting for Serela and then going off to do something else at that juncture would not have been any better and in fact probably would have been worse.)

Prims can get as irritated with me as I imagine he is for even suggesting this line of thought as possible, but I've watched, been party to, and even orchestrated some really bizarre day-ending lynches in the past.

[BT]

It's a question based on CF7's own horrible logic. If by his PoV you are Huh What are scum, what possible justification would there be for voting me over voting someone you think is part of a scumpair that would confirm the other being scum?

It doesn't matter that you're not getting lynched. It's a question about CF7's logic. Or lack thereof.

No Serela's right. The answer is that you're likely to be lynched and they're not. That's why he did it.

Bleh though. Raikaria's action can be confirmed d2 as "not a joat" and it's probably town. Which means another easy-to-clear role. Uhh.

[BT]

No. If it's a scum role then it's pretty much the team goon. Action can be used both on buddies and on town. That's fine.

[Serela]

Bleh though. Raikaria's action can be confirmed d2 as "not a joat" and it's probably town. Which means another easy-to-clear role. Uhh.

I think that's taking it a bit too far. This is Shadoweh, and I would not put it past her to include a scum with an effect that might seem pro-town (but actually does something else too, or even just purely looks pro-town and they use it because giving someone nighttalk (?) isn't a big problem)

Being someone who put a similar "try to outguess the mod at your own risk" warning in their own setup this is the kind of thing I can easily imagine myself doing!

I'd treat the role as we currently understand it to be null.

[Serela]

oh you just corrected it, I didn't get a "new post" warning
huh

[Raikaria]

Apparently I can only do the Curse thingy once.

My role PM wasn't that clear on the issue. Still, I already said the command a while back, and have no intention of removing it.

[Raikaria]

Oh and before anyone says 'Rai's a VT now he's a safe lynch' I'm not a VT. I have other stuff I do too. I'm just not inclined to share them at this moment, or able to do them at this moment.

After all, I'm of the opinion giving scum more information to work off is a bad thing.

[SB]

the last person i knew who tried to lynch a mason claim was scum

[Kilgamayan]

Aww man, I missed an opportunity for nighttalk? ;_;

BT stop trying to game the role setup in a role madness game where we've been explicitly suggested away from doing exactly that.

[BT]

huh

Kilgamayan, i've got the best role and you want to lynch me. Life sucks.

Actually i'm technically a VT with really nasty modifier, and i really don't like to see this modifier in action, so it might actually be beneficial to lynch me. But in case you decide not to do it, lynching Raikaria is the next best thing, imo.

[CF7]

It's a question based on CF7's own horrible logic. If by his PoV you are Huh What are scum, what possible justification would there be for voting me over voting someone you think is part of a scumpair that would confirm the other being scum?

It doesn't matter that you're not getting lynched. It's a question about CF7's logic. Or lack thereof.

Okay, let's leave my horrible logic aside. If it's not me and you. If HW/Serela are really masons. I guess i'll kill another hour reading all this...

[SB]

CF7 should answer BT.

I'm done catching up but structuring everything is gonna be a pain.

[CF7]

What exactly should i answer?

[SB]

Why you blatantly contradicted yourself.

[CF7]

Because one is a sarcastic joke and other is a claim.

[Paperblade]

Can we just lynch Yosh all his posts are awful and people seem to be ignoring him fsr

I don't see a reason to lynch a mason today. I mean, I'm not gonna assume Prims is town but I don't think lynching Serela to get information on Prims is as useful as a lynch on someone who's acting a lot scummier. I'd probably vote Rai over BT since those seem to be the other two options for wagons, since nothing BT has said has struck me as scummy

Anyway I have to go to class, I should be able to get in more posts before deadline though

[SB]

CF7
Don't like this at all, just feels like AtE and isn't really a defense:
"Buh, i'm taking day 1 seriously, i'm scum, i'm NOT taking day 1 seriously i'm still scum. Oh, well."

"Special exclusive case on Schezo. Antagonizing lots of people. Aggressive attitude. I'm not sure if it's normal behavior, but i'm guessing it is. Probably is scumhunting town. Still. "
Apparently calling someone town is scumhunting. I didn't know that. The rest of his post is basically a listpost where a bunch of the people he talks about isn't actually accomponied by a read (why did you need to mention me and BT without saying anything on us?)

Also apparently playing around makes someone more likely to be an SK than mafia. Explain this logic please, CF7.

Raikaria
Dude, stop creditting yourself with ending RVS by being attacked. This doesn't make you any townier, and people who say that Raikaria is always scummy and shouldn't be lynched are really bad.

NNR
His #139 is really bad, it feels like he's just saying "stop ignoring me and justify your rvs post" with some meta.

Although honestly his frustration feels genuine, and honestly I'm reading him like he's town who's sick of repeating himself.  I'm not sure if somewhat experienced scum would pursue this up to now considering all the flak he's been getting for it.

I also don't get why he's reluctant to vote Zak due to him having a low amount of reads on other players (as in, this is his reasoning AGAINST IT) so he should explain that.

Schezo

There's only one post that really strikes me as bad. It's the one where he votes Serela, even though in an earlier post he seemed to have picked up on Prims' mason crumbing and so the vote doesn't make any sense. Of course I could be wrong, but when he brought up the Confirmed Town thing I assumed he got it too.

Zak

i'm getting lazy so this is taken directly from my quicktopic
zak's #219 is like "i have a reason, i'm gonna go ahead and not tell you it" and also restricts his scumreads to people mentioned in serela's post for no real reason
said post also gives no solid reads whatsoever (null raik, calls bt out but doesn't commit, he pretty much calls cf7 a lurker), says he was trying to decide between town and nullreads over scumreads
zak's claim: ok, i think i know who he is now huh
maybe i should change my assessment of him

only thing is role things is making me waffle hard on zak right now (as in his combined with mine)

Honestly I'm finding Dormio unmemorable other than his tunneling, he's just kind of been this thing that's there and complained loudly about how he kept falling behind in posts, but I don't really find him memorable or anything. Same thing with BT, honestly, his play's been worse than usual but honestly I don't remember off of the top of my head anything super scummy he's done besides the not laying down a vote for a while thing, and I think other people look worse than that. I wouldn't object to either of their lynches but I don't have an overwhelming desire to lynch either of them.

##Unvote
##Vote: CF7

[BT]

1) You never actually gave a clear opinion on Rai.
2) You said you disliked CF7 earlier. People are talking about him and he's a wagon.

Raikaria
Dude, stop creditting yourself with ending RVS by being attacked. This doesn't make you any townier, and people who say that Raikaria is always scummy and shouldn't be lynched are really bad.

Really outdated?

Anyway Re: CF7's response, it checks out and actually strengthens his claim.

[SB]

If you mean the "I was joking" it's a null imo since it could go either way easily.

[BT]

Don't think it's completely null, but I guess it isn't groundbreaking.

Really though is that all you have to say on Raikaria at this stage?

[SB]

Everything from my old posts on him still applies too.