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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #300 on: September 16, 2013, 11:38:29 AM »
What's RiA?

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #301 on: September 16, 2013, 11:45:29 AM »
(b) makes no effort to reconcile Prims's concretely-presented claim about Serela's alignment.
I'm 100% serious when I say my role PM tells me Serela is town-aligned.
Forgive me if this makes me somewhat sceptical, but I didn't really see this as a definite claim or anything.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #302 on: September 16, 2013, 12:44:52 PM »
Raikaria, personally i think that you're SK.
About HW/Serela being masons. Since when we're believing claims on D1 when the one who's claiming don't even have wagon on them? Also where's the proof that masons actually are here in this setup? That just pulling stuff out of thin air. So, no it doesn't make HW claim any townier to me.

Mind explaining how you think I am SK?


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #303 on: September 16, 2013, 12:50:17 PM »
Quickposting from work yay

I'm not going to have a chance to sit down and properly reread Zakeri for the next 12 hours. "Sorry." I can at least say he has yet to be so objectionable that I would vote for ahead of anyone I've actively voiced displeasure with.

Dormio: Refuge in Audacity. Also I'd say "I have 100% reason to believe X is town" is something one should account for in some capacity when admonishing X. Nevertheless!

##Unvote, ##Vote: CF7

His laughable criticism of the mason claim made me go back and briefly check to see if he had moved his vote off of Prims. I must have only skimmed the post where he did flip to Raikaria because wow is that post bad upon going back to it. Unsubstantiated reads on everyone, and a completely reasonless vote for Raikaria, whose wagon is one I no longer want anything to do with today with such a scummy opportunistic jump onto it. Long live my ED1 case.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #304 on: September 16, 2013, 01:10:32 PM »
Ehh not a 100% with Dormio but I'm growing more and more dis-enthused with him as a wagon when there are worse offenders atm.

I have nothing good to say about Raikaria's Serela push but he is probably not scum because I don't think he's the type of person who'd go with refuge in audacity? Also it doesn't make sense to me for him to keep pushing the Serela thing when he was getting more and more votes for it and until he went to like 6 votes.

I mostly agree with what others have said about CF7's Raikaria vote and have nothing more to add there. I'll vote here for consolidation purposes if necessary but for now:

##Unvote, ##Vote: BT

It took him forever and a half to commit to something and when he did, it was The Easiest Wagon in The World, and even then his push was really half-hearted and his language had a really passive tone.


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #305 on: September 16, 2013, 01:12:53 PM »
Mind explaining how you think I am SK?
Well, your overall behavior. First you're acting silly, people call you on it. Then you try to play normally. Give scum reads, and all that. Votes Serela, and then out of blue suggest let's lynch a lurker. Which is me and  which is not entirely correct.
Considering other people are suspecting that you're scum, whom i think scum themselves, either it's a really heavy bussing on their part, or you're really SK.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #306 on: September 16, 2013, 01:22:44 PM »
Also I don't trust Zak. Masons + a role that has someone else as a confirmed townie is a lot of clears off the bat in a 14p game. It would either hint at a super buff anti-town or an otherwise rather weak town. And we also have like one ascetic and a second functional ascetic (whatever that means) so ???

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #307 on: September 16, 2013, 01:27:32 PM »
Well, your overall behavior. First you're acting silly, people call you on it. Then you try to play normally. Give scum reads, and all that. Votes Serela, and then out of blue suggest let's lynch a lurker. Which is me and  which is not entirely correct.
Considering other people are suspecting that you're scum, whom i think scum themselves, either it's a really heavy bussing on their part, or you're really SK.

I never suggested to lynch you, I said it was an example of a more 'no-effort involved vote' because I was accused of 'parking on the easiest target'. At no point did I say I wish to lynch you. And you were pretty lurky, and hadn't contributed.

At least, I never suggested to lynch you until I actually voted you. Because of your really bad post a bit back. Now I'm suggesting to lynch you.

Not to mention if I was an SK, why would I have openly used one of my role powers already? Surely I would want to lie low to fulfill my wincon?


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #308 on: September 16, 2013, 01:38:31 PM »
Well, your overall behavior. First you're acting silly, people call you on it. Then you try to play normally. Give scum reads, and all that. Votes Serela, and then out of blue suggest let's lynch a lurker. Which is me and  which is not entirely correct.
Considering other people are suspecting that you're scum, whom i think scum themselves, either it's a really heavy bussing on their part, or you're really SK.
what
How does any of that lead to direct "he's a SK over scum" thing though?  I'm almost 90% sure if someone didn't say SK earlier in this game you wouldn't be making this argument.  So because there's people who could be bussing if he's Raikaria scum you instead want to handwave that to make their cases valid.  Because at the end of the day, mafia don't want a SK around either.  They can go after him with a legitimate case and gain much desired town cred for having lynched an antitown force.  So if he's a SK you're saying all the mafia on him have a point when when people bus they also tend to have a point on their partner anyway. 

Anyways Raikaria is hilariously bad but being scumwagoned right now. 

BT's content since I left consists of hoping on the easiest wagon ever and making flavor arguments.  Like anyone gives a fuck about flavor.  And it's not like just 1 post it's the majority of his content. The masons could be two people who hate each other's guts in the story and I would not care.  Because he's giving the masons a clear less because of their actions, (Serela has none lol) and more because they're flavor fantastic which is hilarious.  I mean he's going to sit there and townread Zakeri because his character matches his claim which is what every fucking scum fakeclaim is ever.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #309 on: September 16, 2013, 01:48:14 PM »
I never suggested to lynch you, I said it was an example of a more 'no-effort involved vote' because I was accused of 'parking on the easiest target'. At no point did I say I wish to lynch you. And you were pretty lurky, and hadn't contributed.
I wasn't lurking i was sleeping. When i get to my pc i started writing summary of my thoughts on people.
At least, I never suggested to lynch you until I actually voted you. Because of your really bad post a bit back. Now I'm suggesting to lynch you.
The worst part of my post, i'm guessing, is jumping on your wagon. Without any reasoning, which i explained a bit later after that.
Not to mention if I was an SK, why would I have openly used one of my role powers already? Surely I would want to lie low to fulfill my wincon?
Hm... I might be missing something about the role powers you're talking about... From my observations lying low here is considering scummy.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #310 on: September 16, 2013, 01:49:26 PM »
*is considered.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #311 on: September 16, 2013, 01:55:07 PM »
what
How does any of that lead to direct "he's a SK over scum" thing though?  I'm almost 90% sure if someone didn't say SK earlier in this game you wouldn't be making this argument.  So because there's people who could be bussing if he's Raikaria scum you instead want to handwave that to make their cases valid.  Because at the end of the day, mafia don't want a SK around either.  They can go after him with a legitimate case and gain much desired town cred for having lynched an antitown force.  So if he's a SK you're saying all the mafia on him have a point when when people bus they also tend to have a point on their partner anyway. 
Actually it's quite possible. We have 14 people. So we probably have 3 mafia scums, alleged masons. Probably doctor. People also claimed 2 ascetics. Might consider cult. And so on. And SK actually fits in this quite easily. So my point still stands.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #312 on: September 16, 2013, 01:55:44 PM »
I used my role power on Conq. You should see what it does later.

The worst part of your post was indeed jumping on the wagon. However, this is also combined with the fact that the 'straw' was my off-hand comment about you, which is a very flimsy reason, the fact you were giving out strong townreads, which is painting targets on people, the fact you say HuhWhat/Serela are scum, in which case voting them over me would be smart since by lynching one you would confirm the other as well, and your argument for me being an SK is just silly.

It's not just your baseless vote on me at the time. And I'm not the only one who said your post was awful.


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #313 on: September 16, 2013, 02:07:53 PM »
So i intentionally didn't bring it up initially because I wanted CF7 to clarift on his own just to be sure I was reading his lack of reasoning correctly, but part of his explanation in #305 sure sounds like the Raikaria vote is an OMGUS. I would only normally put X amount of stock in the scumminess of OMGUS votes, but given we're talking about CF7 here the action is particularly displeasing.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #314 on: September 16, 2013, 02:18:03 PM »
So what about his play makes him SK and not mafia?

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #315 on: September 16, 2013, 02:31:10 PM »
His playing around.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #316 on: September 16, 2013, 03:00:20 PM »
Also a bit more on Raikaria. His reaction to his wagon was pretty relaxed. And only after my, i admit, badly worded vote he went a bit more vocal.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #317 on: September 16, 2013, 03:19:05 PM »
The things I was trying to explain last night have magically come to fruition more then I expected overnight.

What I was saying when I was super sleepy: Here's 5 people who aren't looking too hot, but since it's TWENTY FOUR HOURS INTO THE GAME it really does not seem worth the effort to bother making a case on them. Seriously, this early in the game, the next post they make is practically more important then their previous posts. It's early enough where even if they look pretty bad, if their next post is fine they're pretty much entirely in the clear again.

So I literally cannot summon the care to effort up a case that early. Dormio was kind of right in his assessment, except I also was working towards (what I believe) is a decent way of catching scum?

Back to what I was saying, the 5 people who aren't looking so hot, several of them are probably going to start looking significantly better in a post or two (hence cannot care enough to heavily analyze), the ones who can't improve whilst being pressured are IMO pretty good places to be hunting for scum. (At the least, it's a very accurate way to find Serela!scum >_>) Well lookie here, Zak is off the list, CF7 is ????? (getting to that later) and I'm gonna talk about Raikaria a good bit right now.

Raikaria is under pressure to make a case after he blank unvotes, he's a wagon, he has to come up with something and not dilly dally because deadline is pretty looming right now, so he gets onto the most obvious vote in the game. Issue is that it's a completely horrible vote for reasons several other people have already gone over. Gets a ton of flak and immediately gets on the next colossally bad post that comes up!

But, I'm not sure if this actually makes Raikaria scummy or not. He presents some other people in his post as being scummy looking too, and people are even considering lynching them. But he voted me instead, which given the situation WOULDN'T SCUM KNOW THAT'S NOT A GREAT IDEA??? HW is waffling on Rai in our QT for the same reason. I'm not sure if this is town acting illogically because they want their preferred lynch over looking good (scum wants to look good), or scum just being bad under pressure.

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HW somehow sticking to his Serela is town thing. I think joke went for a long enough and went stale. Also his posts are quite empty and well, i think he is scum.
In the light of HW posts Serela might be scum too, or if HW is scum it might be some crafty plan to discredit Serela so we think that he's scum, when he is town. But likely scum.
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About HW/Serela being masons. Since when we're believing claims on D1 when the one who's claiming don't even have wagon on them? Also where's the proof that masons actually are here in this setup? That just pulling stuff out of thin air. So, no it doesn't make HW claim any townier to me.
Me and Huhwhat are masons, I didn't want to claim it D1 but HW did and okay I guess this works out (it looks like I'd probably be the lynch otherwise anyway) The first part of this quote barely even makes sense. HW's posts are empty? Maybe it's my mason glasses but his posts (apart from having fun with being a mason) are pretty good IMO? Also, I mean, really, we're masons, if one of us is scum then we both have to be. I guess there's the part where I haven't reciprocated on the claim until now but by the time you made this post it'd been made p.clear we're masons.

Lacks reading comprehension

Second part, still doesn't make sense. First question is flawed semantics that I don't even know how to address because that's just not how things work in reality. Second part, um, no, you can't usually get solid proof on any roles, you're supposed to gauge whether it seems likely or not. Let's gauge whether or not it's likely; do you think in a setup with (probably) 3 scum that two of them would immediately draw attention to themselves and tie themselves together, in a way that's probably going to occur in one getting lynched and the next getting turbolynched at some point? Scum fakeclaiming mason outside of a desperate situation (or in a place where meta means they probably will be perfectly fine) is a really risky gambit

and then you vote Raikaria for wanting to lynch me, and I Am Confuse. Although, yes, Raikaria's post isn't good either, the vote is ??? and the fact that you didn't provide any explanation doesn't help. It's pretty much as close to "blatantly sheeping onto the new popular wagon with everyone else" as it gets, because it even goes against the scumhunting opinions you had earlier in your post.

You just said you explained your vote on Raikaria later. I DON'T SEE IT. The only thing you've mentioned about Raikaria is "I think you're SK." This makes me go whaaaaaaat??? (Cut by a post talking a little more about the vote, but "his reaction was relaxed", I don't really get how this contributes to your voting reasons)

##unvote ##Vote CF7 okay it's time to actually read page 11 I've been putting it off

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It took him forever and a half to commit to something and when he did, it was The Easiest Wagon in The World, and even then his push was really half-hearted
Similar to how I was feeling about BT when I got to this part of the thread on my catching up, still not feeling great about BT but I feel like there's bigger priorities ATM (Then again I haven't gotten into consolidation mode mentally yet)

Has SB posted in the past 24 hours???
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #318 on: September 16, 2013, 03:20:18 PM »
also it looks like I probably need to reread Dormio soon

Wait isn't there someone I'm forgetting about, man it's terrible when I have to go back and read my own posts to remember what I was doing
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #319 on: September 16, 2013, 03:26:00 PM »
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Wait isn't there someone I'm forgetting about
Right, it was NNR.

His only scum suspect (after the me/hw thing was cleared up) was Zak, which also is explained at this point why he was acting so weird, so I'm curious what NNR is going to have to say now when he comes back. Not looking great either but it pretty much entirely depends on what his new post ends up being
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #320 on: September 16, 2013, 03:39:24 PM »
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but it pretty much entirely depends on what his new post ends up being
then again with the recent events it's become almost impossible to not have cool opinions on stuff, but, whatever, the zak line of pursual fizzling wasn't his fault and the HW tunnels were bad but not completely damning
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #321 on: September 16, 2013, 04:03:23 PM »
Actually i'm technically a VT with really nasty modifier, and i really don't like to see this modifier in action, so it might actually be beneficial to lynch me. But in case you decide not to do it, lynching Raikaria is the next best thing, imo.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #322 on: September 16, 2013, 04:04:17 PM »
so after returning to the thread and seeing that it's doubled in size since my last content post, i decide that my timezone sucks for mafia

reading now

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #323 on: September 16, 2013, 04:05:01 PM »
cf7: if it's pgo or miller or anything that can interfere with investigation results you should claim it

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #324 on: September 16, 2013, 04:06:19 PM »
1.7: Votecount Heaven

Take 1 shot everytime a number is used instead of a Diary Holder's name!

Raikaria (5): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, huh what, BT, CF7
Dormio (1): Paperblade
CF7 (3): Kilgamayan, Raikaria, Selerey
Zakeri (1): Serious Bananas
BT (4): Conqueror, Schezo, Zakeri, BBM

Not voting: No one \o/

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #325 on: September 16, 2013, 04:16:21 PM »
It's not a pgo and it's not a miller. But i can't say more without breaking the rules.
Also to Serela. If you and HW are masons then why HW is actually practically shouting this in the thread? It's kind of counterproductive to the whole masons thing. I.e. townies who know each other. Basically claiming that, you painting yourself a target for the scum. Unless it's a really risky gambit as you described. Which is high risk high reward.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #326 on: September 16, 2013, 04:21:37 PM »
it wouldn't have been as bad if other people weren't making it blatantly obvious they picked up on it

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #327 on: September 16, 2013, 04:26:19 PM »
having connection issues so im borrowing someone else's computer real quick

i will say though that i just got the ability to talk in the thread at night via raikaria im assuming

could only skim so far but bt lollygagging through the day to jump on raikaria for this
The case was really non-alignment-indicative and it's jarring that he keeps it going despite the claim. Want to see where he goes from here.
is really really weak. so now that raikaria's moved elsewhere, what's the justification for your vote?

will make a more comprehensive post later when i can actually sit down to read the thread


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #328 on: September 16, 2013, 04:30:30 PM »
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If you and HW are masons then why HW is actually practically shouting this in the thread?
because HW is silly

I thought it'd be better to claim it a little later in the game (assuming we weren't lynch candidates) to make it a powerful PoE tool, but then this happened. As he's already said in the thread, this way people don't have to analyze us like we were not-masons and we're likely NK targets instead of potential powerful town PRs.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #329 on: September 16, 2013, 04:41:21 PM »
 :oCF7, why do you keep your vote on Raikaria when

- You believe Primserela is a scumpair
- Your accusation of him being SK seems at least partially predicated on a Primserela scum pair
- You keep attacking the credibility of the Primserela mason claim

?

Your actions don't match your vote at all, which makes it look that much more opportunistic a jump onto an easy-at-the-time wagon. We're not even guaranteed there's a third party in the setup. I would expect a townie in your position to push for the scum lynch, not the anti-town-role-that-might-be-in-the-game lynch.
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[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"