Author Topic: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)  (Read 131291 times)

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #270 on: September 16, 2013, 09:40:15 AM »
I mean Serela's attitude from the get-go matches up with the claim and is the reason why I called the claim before it happened as a matter of fact.

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #271 on: September 16, 2013, 09:40:37 AM »
I wanted to claim in my first post to narrow down the lynch targets instantly while forcing scum to kill pseudoclears instead of potential strong power roles but Serela didn't want to. :(

This totally worked out better, though.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #272 on: September 16, 2013, 09:43:33 AM »
That was drrawr, not Serela. Also please compare the context of that game to this one and realize that a HW/Serela scumteam would have been setting this shit up from ED1.
But you HAVE been setting this up from ED1
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #273 on: September 16, 2013, 09:44:55 AM »
looks like we're on the same wavelength

##Vote Raikaria

The case was really non-alignment-indicative and it's jarring that he keeps it going despite the claim. Want to see where he goes from here.

cut-- that's the point, they had to have decided to claim masons from the get-go which isn't THAT likely for Serela to agree to I think. Plus their claim is totally flavor-fantastic.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #274 on: September 16, 2013, 09:46:53 AM »
Actually it's because of the claim that I think Serela may be a good lynch, aside from Serela's lack of anything useful. As I said, neither Huh What or Serela seem particularly pro-town, to me at least, and lynching Serela, well, if Serela flips town, doesn't that give us a confirmed town in Huh What at least?


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #275 on: September 16, 2013, 09:48:06 AM »
Raikaria, it isn't worth lynching masons on D1, but both of them rightfully shouldn't live to LYLO.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #276 on: September 16, 2013, 09:49:10 AM »
Eh

Convince me that a Serela lynch is a good use of a lynch.
You have a claim backing him up and your case isn't that good.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #277 on: September 16, 2013, 09:50:57 AM »
I mean don't you think his lazy play is such because he was a mason and had nothing to worry about?

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #278 on: September 16, 2013, 09:52:20 AM »
You also get confirmed town when scum or Zak kills me during the night.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #279 on: September 16, 2013, 09:54:14 AM »
Raikaria, it isn't worth lynching masons on D1, but both of them rightfully shouldn't live to LYLO.

I'm not sure what's so bad about lynching one of two claimed 'masons', especially when neither seem too pro-town, D1, as it gives us a clear for Day 2 if they are indeed masons, and if they're not, it gives us an easy D2 lynch as well.

Can someone please explain why giving ourselves a clear for D2 in the worst-case scenario is a bad move?

Eh

Convince me that a Serela lynch is a good use of a lynch.
You have a claim backing him up and your case isn't that good.

Serela's posts are bad. He lurked and waffled and didn't give reads until pressured, which he didn't elaborate on. He is still sitting on his 'RVS' without having said 'This is why I'm now seriously voting this guy'.

Huh What isn't that much better.

Worst-case scenario: We lynch one of two masons. Huh What is now clear. This is a significantly better Worst-case than, say, lynching me, which will lose you a town role for no clears.
Best Case-Senario: Serela is not a mason, and they're gambitting. Huh What is confirmed scum, giving us two scum down D2.

You also get confirmed town when scum or Zak kills me during the night.

On the assumption that there is not a single role capable of protection in the entire town in a Role Madness game, and they are derpy enough to not protect confirmed town.


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #280 on: September 16, 2013, 09:59:11 AM »
Also I trust the known setup flavor about as much as I trust that Serela is a guy.
Which is to say, not very much. Having them be two random fuckwits that were important for maybe 3 episodes certainly doesn't autoconfirm them town.

Anyway I will totally read stuff tomorrow and get more reads.

@cut: Two Masons softclearing eachother either means they're both scum or both town. We can get better chances lynching someone else and leaving their fate to some random kill or lynching them later, closer to LYLO.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #281 on: September 16, 2013, 10:00:07 AM »
Zak is probably town too though. I can think of some non-Yuno characters who fit the bill. Or at least one anyway.

It's a bad move to lynch one of the masons, Raikaria, because they're not scummy enough to warrant that. In fact they're not scummy at all but that's my opinion I guess. Go ahead and explain how they're both scummy enough for the deed and how there's no better idea for a lynch.

I'm mainly thinking that it's unreasonable to be pushing this over other things. They're just not scummy enough for that. Rejoice in the fucking mason play and how huhwhat probably wouldn't run the same gambit again and how their characters are solid claims.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #282 on: September 16, 2013, 10:01:58 AM »
NNR if there's anyone in the anime fitting to be masons it's them and I totally would have put them in if I were the mod.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #283 on: September 16, 2013, 10:04:10 AM »
If they're both town, then whatever, they're not a threat to town. If they're both scum, once one of them dies later, we'll have no difficulty lynching the other one for sure.

Find someone else to vote, Raikaria.

@BT: Masons, Neighbors, Scum Masons, whatever, flavor confirms are stupid.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #284 on: September 16, 2013, 10:07:08 AM »
On the assumption that there is not a single role capable of protection in the entire town in a Role Madness game, and they are derpy enough to not protect confirmed town.
A. Since when is Prims confirmed town?
B. Considering you just espoused the wonders of lynching a mason, why would you expect a doctor or similar to protect them when them dying gives us a free clear without us wasting a lynch?

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #285 on: September 16, 2013, 10:10:24 AM »
@ BT: And what's so good about Serela/Huh What that makes them trustworthy? I see nothing pro-town either. I see Huh What being... Huh What, and Serela Serelaflailing. At the same time, with each other.

Eh, I'mma gonna think on this for a while.

A. Since when is Prims confirmed town?
B. Considering you just espoused the wonders of lynching a mason, why would you expect a doctor or similar to protect them when them dying gives us a free clear without us wasting a lynch?

Did you even read?

Lynch Serela -> Other mason is confirmed IF Serela is a mason -> People protect the confirmed town so Huh What isn't killed -> We have a clear for D2, making any cop's job easier to picking out the right people, or any item-based roles a safe choice, ect, ect.


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #286 on: September 16, 2013, 10:11:56 AM »
@ BT: And what's so good about Serela/Huh What that makes them trustworthy? I see nothing pro-town either. I see Huh What being... Huh What, and Serela Serelaflailing. At the same time, with each other.
This is a really scummy argument because it lets you use buzzwords to dismiss us without actually explaining why anything we've done has scum intent.

You're the one trying to get Serela lynched, burden of proof is on you.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #287 on: September 16, 2013, 10:15:22 AM »
I've already explained what Serela has done; or more specifically, not done. I'm not the only one who has said Serela feels completely useless, nor am I the only one to say you don't look that town with your actions.

I also said I'm going to reconsider based on the 'Lynching masosn D1 to give us a D2 clear is a bad idea' vibe.


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #288 on: September 16, 2013, 10:40:08 AM »
And so my next post will be about CF7.
Not that there's much to post about CF7.

I don't particularly like this post.
It's hard to take too seriously, considering the time frame that the post was made in, but it's still something akin to AtE.
Combine that with how he defends Kilga in the following examples:
And tho i don't like OMGUS votes much, they're forced and defensive, Kilgamayan is probably town.
Well it's not as contradictory. Kilgamayan said that he was half asleep and he might have not OMGUS'ed me if he was more awake at that moment. So probably was um... "decision made under influence" Something like that.
I don't like it.

That point is largely just my own personal bias though, and not what my suspicion of CF7 is based on.
Rather, it's more about these lines:
##unvote
##Vote HW.
Unless he can explain how Serela is a confirmed town.
At the time, this really stuck out to me. Still does.
I don't think I was alone in assuming that HW was joking about Serela being confirmed town at this point.
However, CF7 latches onto the point that NNR makes about this and presents it without having added any of his own thoughts to it.
CF7 doesn't bother explaining why HW should have to provide the explanation that he's demanding, nor does he explain why HW supposedly knowing Serela's alignment at the time causes HW to be scum.
When you consider that CF7's vote is still on HW for this reason, to me, it looks as though CF7 was simply searching for an interesting target to park his vote on.
After all, by voting for an unorthodox target in HW, CF7 can pretend that he's contributing by following unique lines of thought in an attempt to find scum.

And then you have this post and this post.
Like Raikaria, the words in this particular post seems like he's playing up his own victimization and attempting to appeal to our emotions.
The apathetic tone that the first post is delivered in, given the "Oh, well" at the end, makes it seem like to me that CF7 is trying to mask his true intentions by making it appear as though he hasn't given his actions much thought in general.

However, to me, CF7 just isn't that interesting right now.
Instead, I'll just be waiting on the conclusions of the reading that he promised in his latest post.

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You know, maybe I should just give up at this point.
However, I will still try to get another post out.
Not sure if I will actually manage to though, since I have assignments to work on and summaries to write.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #289 on: September 16, 2013, 10:53:48 AM »
Okay i'll bite.
Special exclusive case on Schezo. Antagonizing lots of people. Aggressive attitude. I'm not sure if it's normal behavior, but i'm guessing it is. Probably is scumhunting town. Still.

And now that aside.
Yoshino wall on Raikaria is well... quite nitpicky. Not sure what to make out of this, but likely not town. On the other hand his wall about Serela is quite good, so he might be town.
Raikaria. I'm not sure what to make out of this.
NNR overly defensive behavior is not so good.
HW somehow sticking to his Serela is town thing. I think joke went for a long enough and went stale. Also his posts are quite empty and well, i think he is scum.
In the light of HW posts Serela might be scum too, or if HW is scum it might be some crafty plan to discredit Serela so we think that he's scum, when he is town. But likely scum.
Can't say much about Zakeri. He's probably town. But his jump on BT's wagon looks scummy to me.
Kilgamayan's posts tip me off in some way. Maybe it's just his attitude. Leaning on town.
BT gave some reads and then disappeared.
Pretty much same thing with SB.
BBM is likely town.
Conq. can lean either way to be honest. I think he's town.
Paperblade. Sort of lurking. Sort of not saying much. And sort of defending HW and Serela. Who might be scum.

Overall lots of people are jumping around with their votes and it's confusing. Probably have to reread this mess again.

Not only does lynching Serela prove your claim, and sort out this claim pile, but it also gets rid of someone not contributing in any meaningful way at all. Seems like a good lynch to me, and it's hardly 'The one with the least effort'. That would probobly be CF9 for lurkscum.
Okay, screw it. It's your funeral.
##unvote
##Vote Raikaria.



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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #290 on: September 16, 2013, 11:01:02 AM »
...

Serela and I are probably scum, so you're voting Raikaria?

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #291 on: September 16, 2013, 11:05:11 AM »
Not to mention his quote on me makes his vote clearly OMGUS for me accusing him of being somewhat lurky.


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #292 on: September 16, 2013, 11:09:13 AM »
I don't even know what to say to half of that.

So instead I'll point out that this
I also said I'm going to reconsider based on the 'Lynching masosn D1 to give us a D2 clear is a bad idea' vibe.
shouldn't be taking such a long time. Either you agree or not.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #293 on: September 16, 2013, 11:10:25 AM »
Part of the reconsideration is re-reading to decide where my vote should now go, lest I get shouted at for an empty unvote again.

You guys aren't happy either way, are you?


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #294 on: September 16, 2013, 11:11:54 AM »
No nevermind that's fine.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #295 on: September 16, 2013, 11:15:34 AM »
Actually, I don't even need to really re-read and come to a conclusion on several other people after CF7's most recent post. It strikes me as being really bad.

He says Serela and Huh What are probobly scum. I'm pushing those two. Then he sees I call him lurky and he votes me. Despite the fact he sees the people I'm pushing as scum, and said I'm more null.

That's just OMGUS, completely contrary to his 'reads' and a complete lack of effort as well. Also, giving out townreads is like sending a signal to the scums 'HIT THESE GUYS', which isn't good either.

He also makes no mention of the whole mason issue, he seems to think Huhwhat's 'clear' on Serela is a joke. Shows he may not have even read properly.

That post he just made was really, really bad. As was his logic for voting.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #296 on: September 16, 2013, 11:19:21 AM »
Also the lack of actual reasoning for voting me beyond me calling out his activity and saying he would be a 'no effort' vote on my part at the time also feels like he just wants to wagon ride.


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #297 on: September 16, 2013, 11:20:56 AM »
1.6: Perfect Votecount

Why does a five-year old know how to use poisons anyways?!

Raikaria (6): Celery, Dormio, NekoNekoRex, huh what, BT, CF7
Dormio (2): BigBangMeteor, Paperblade
CF7 (2): Kilgamayan, Raikaria
Zakeri (1): Serious Bananas
BT (3): Conqueror, Schezo, Zakeri

Not voting: No one \o/

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #298 on: September 16, 2013, 11:27:24 AM »
I can't tell if this is a joke or not but if it isn't then it's craplogic for reasons that shouldn't need to be explained. :|
Also TBH I'm not really satisfied with your content so far in general, feels like you're not really taking your vote seriously at all. Why should we be voting CF7 and not the other lurker dudes which there are a lot of?

For someone that claims Invasion is his favorite game to reread you sure say a lot of things that suggest you've never read it once.

I don't appreciate anyone that tries/d to pigeonhole my CF7 vote into "lurker lynch" because that's not either of the reasons I cited for voting him. I've also been very vocally anti-D1 LAL in the past.

##Unvote, ##Vote: Dormio

243 made me change my mind here. An in-depth post on Serela that (a) comes to no meaningful conclusion, and (b) makes no effort to reconcile Prims's concretely-presented claim about Serela's alignment. This is fake content of the highest caliber and 250 is an hilarious RiA handwave that screams of scum that got called on their bullshit immediately.

Okay post 266 and most everything onward would change my vote Raikaria if it wouldn't put him at L-1.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #299 on: September 16, 2013, 11:27:55 AM »
Raikaria, personally i think that you're SK.
About HW/Serela being masons. Since when we're believing claims on D1 when the one who's claiming don't even have wagon on them? Also where's the proof that masons actually are here in this setup? That just pulling stuff out of thin air. So, no it doesn't make HW claim any townier to me.
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