Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)

[Conqueror]

lmfao conq is scum

try harder

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Conq is not posting like he does when he is town + is using AtE. I 100% guarantee he is mafia.

Not townreading BT because of the people voting him, btw (yeah most are iffy but I think Schezo looks pretty good at least). His posts just don't read pre-planned to me.

[Raikaria]

You don't really get it. Ever since CF7 I have no idea what you think about anything because you just stopped caring. CF7 being super scum is cool but that's not where the game ends unless you're scum and only care for a vote.
The first post claims that your reads were crap waiting for something more grand and I kind of expected some response to that.

But talk about your claim first.

HW: I meant that Conq wouldn't claim to have been nightspeak'd if it wasn't the case, he'd just go down with the ship. They can be buddies.

Maybe I'm tunneling on CF7 because otherwise I'm likely to get lynched and my role is pretty powerful? [Assuming I don't buff scums BUT HEY MASONS. Who by the way could easily confirm me tomorrow.]

[Raikaria]

Assumeing, of course, I don't get roleblocked/killed/the mason I give an item to dies/assumeing they're even masons.

[Raikaria]

Also I'm perfectly willing to vote BT for Not Me Over Me, although I do think CF7 is far more likely scum, I'm not too impressed by BT [I'm kinda reading him null, which is odd, since I usually read him town].

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Anybody pushing "Raikaria wouldn't do irrational things as scum" is silly because he last rolled mafia in Rewrite, and his entire play that game was doing irrational things as scum.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Like he literally voted over several bullshit paranoia cases that had no case of taking off in that game. There's precedent for him doing dumb shit he can't actually push when rolling scum.

I agree with Conq about CF7 entirely btw (:smug: remark about scum telling us why townies are town goes here).

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

It also bugs me that Raikaria is basically using his claim to beg to be kept alive when provable roles obviously don't mean anything in this set-up.

[BT]

How about BT's jump on Raikaria after the initial casing on Serela, after which BT basically sits on Raikaria and scolds him for making a bad vote? Read the case the BT eventually makes on Raikaria. It's basically a white knight of the claimed masons + the claim that scum!Raikaria thought trying to push claimed masons would be a good idea to push when BT pushes out that he had a Dormio option that was equally valid. BT says that it's possible that Raikaria thought that lynch was possible, but I don't think scum Raikaria would be incompetent enough to not look at the game thread and look at the viability of huhwhat/Serela lynch (which was pretty much opposed by a majority of players). He says that Raikaria is all buzzwords, but what more has BT put out more than Raikaria? A bunch of prodding suspicions and poking but nothing definite until Raikaria puts his foot in his mouth and then BT jumps all onto that. At the very least, Raikaria's reaction to CF7's bad vote on him reads genuine. People are claiming it was an easy vote and he "didn't have to do any scumhunting after that" but if he thinks he's found CF7 scum, what else is he supposed to do at that point?

I remember Scum!Raikaria in Rewrite bragging about using his meta to his advantange or some shit. What if Raikaria did it because he would have done it as town? He's both entertaining a Serela lynch (which was an OPTION before the claim) and buying potential "this is stupid as scum" defenses in the future. Oh look. The bottom line is that his actual contribution outside of stupid cc-related profit lynches is nothing and the CF7 vote is enough for him to just stop. If you think the lone CF7 vote for an obvious bad post is enough for the second half of D1 I don't know what goggles you're wearing.

Basically I'm thinking Raikaria and CF7 got in a stupid slapfight and you have people like BT trying to take advantage of the situation. Vote BT.

I think you're rushing to call it a slapfight just to indirectly argue for my lynch. "Trying to take advantage of the situation" my balls. Where's your case?

It's not something you usually do as scum, but it's not something you usually do as town either, so meta is completely irrelevant? Not sure what you're trying to say here and this feels like you're trying to discredit me.

I'm trying to say that you just ended up floating my way because my play was "different". It's just really weak and any discrediting is in place.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Pretty sure Conq being offended that somebody disputed him is a meta scumtell.

Also Conq's opinion on BT during the vote post was just "he's acting uncharacteristic" so BT's response was justified imo. The BT vote has basically been a park up until now which strongly implies Conq ran out of voting options and is BSing up a case now that it's deadline.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Realtalk I would lynch Conq before I'd lynch Raikaria right now but it's probably too late to push that.

[BT]

I'm still laughing over "taking advantage" of a "slapfight".

[Raikaria]

It also bugs me that Raikaria is basically using his claim to beg to be kept alive when provable roles obviously don't mean anything in this set-up.

Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that we weren't supposed to claim when we're the main wagon and about to get lynched.

And I wasn't aware that giving people roleblocks and tracks was something the town would find frivolous, especially you of all people who claimed mason with Serela.

I'm not sure why BT is having issues accepting the fact that I find CF7's post the worst thing so far, and since nothing happened that I found important enough to vote over CF7, I didn't change my vote or anything. Hell, if I was hopping my vote around every other post, he'd probobly attack me for that too.

And I'm pretty sure I never bragged about using meta to my advantage in my one scum game I've had. I was flailing as scum that game because it was my first scum game, and only scum game too.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

You're flailing in this scumgame too

[BigBangMeteor]

Never played with scum Conq or scum BT before, so for me, looking at it without meta, BT looks scummier. I think Conq's case on BT and his included Raikaria defence is better than BT's case on Raikaria.

Raikaria was irrational in a different way in Rewrite. Don't know how to exactly explain it, but IIRC there was never a point where Raikaria was getting heavily voted for his irrationality in Rewrite, while he has been here for most of the game. Raikaria's role is also super obvtown IMO. Claiming Coroner yourself can be an easy scum!Janitor fake but you can't fake giving a Coroner shot to somebody, unless you tie yourself heavily to a scumbuddy. And giving the town a Coroner shot basically negates the point of even having a scum!Janitor.

I'm aware that a bunch more happened but I don't really have time to comment on everything.

[Kilgamayan]

Just got home. Will need time to digest Raikaria vs CF7 - Prims has me doubting myself.

I will say, though, that Raikaria/Conqueror is almost certainly not a scum team. Publicly giving your scumbuddy an Insomniac role is suicide because it forces him to use it.

[BT]

I'm not sure why BT is having issues accepting the fact that I find CF7's post the worst thing so far, and since nothing happened that I found important enough to vote over CF7, I didn't change my vote or anything. Hell, if I was hopping my vote around every other post, he'd probobly attack me for that too.

If he was in the process of rereading he pretty much aborted that and now he's still harping on the CF7 thing and doing nothing else, because having a vote is the important thing.

You don't really get it. Ever since CF7 I have no idea what you think about anything because you just stopped caring.

please

please read my posts

And I'm pretty sure I never bragged about using meta to my advantage in my one scum game I've had. I was flailing as scum that game because it was my first scum game, and only scum game too.

http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg980294.html#msg980294
"I'm painfully self-aware Huh What. I even threw in a ~crazy conspiracy theory~TM"
fuck locked topics

[NekoNekoRex]

I'm still working through this latter half of the game posted so far. It may look like I'm not because I'm also spending time ranting on Lettyjournal but there is simply a lot of posts for me to read.

[BigBangMeteor]

While I don't think that Raikaria is scum, speaking in a completely general case, what is suicidal about forcing a buddy to use Insomniac? Insomniac is easy mode, all you have to do is talk about the flip and interactions. In fact it lets you coast for a good portion of the next day because you can just go HERE LOOK AT THIS POST.

[Raikaria]

BT, just because I am not talking about other things does not mean that I have 'given up' on everything else. Frankly I no longer think Huh What/Serela are scummy after some of their posts, especially Serela's.

On the other hand, the more you keep pushing on this sole point, the worse I think of you.

Anyway, at this point it's 1AM. I need the sleeps. Just remember who pushed hard on me for Day 2 if you end up lynching me. There is certainly scum on this wagon, and I'd suggest to look especially at those just riding it, like CF7, and to a lesser extent possibly NNR.

[Paperblade]

: I am reading, but people here post a lot more frequently than what I'm used to, so it's difficult for me to keep track of everyone and keep up with everything that's going on. The last game I played in lasted about two and a half weeks and had like 800 posts total, this one has been less than 48 hours and has half that.

: How was my opinion vague? I said it was more likely Rai was being picked on for being dumb and I stand by that

##Unvote, ##Vote: CF7

I don't like how you attacked Rai with the argument that he was SK. SK is an easy attack to make since scum are looking for it too so it's easier to make honest looking posting since it's something you're really considering. You've not really made great efforts to do real scumhunting other than accuse Serela+Prims which has been pretty dumb other than the spat with Zak, which I don't think is worth lynching them over

Not reading the 20 posts made since I started writing this

[Paperblade]

oh that's nice the site doesn't like me using @

that first line was directed at Kil, second at BT

[BT]

BBM I literally have no idea what Conq's doing at this point and have no idea where this 'case' is.

His post an hour ago is just irksome considering his aim is to push forward my lynch.

And it doesn't matter if the coroner is a thing because it can be just to stall for a lynch.

There is certainly scum on this wagon, and I'd suggest to look especially at those just riding it, like CF7, and to a lesser extent possibly NNR.

yes please look at the guy who elaborated when asked when he was here and the guy who just got here

[BT]

: How was my opinion vague? I said it was more likely Rai was being picked on for being dumb and I stand by that

Yeah but then you said you'd lynch him over me and I don't really get it.

[Shadoweh]

1.9: Brilliant Mimicry of a Votecount

The only thing cooler then a pyromaniac is a terrorist lolita flying pirate.

Raikaria (5): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, BT, CF7, huh what
CF7 (5): Kilgamayan, Raikaria, Selerey, Serious Bananas, Paperblade
BT (4): Conqueror, Schezo, Zakeri, BBM

Not voting: No one \o/

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 3 hours and 20 minutes remaining.
Day End Countdown

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Conq's BT case is literally "I think CF7 and Raikaria are both town, which means BT must be scum taking advantage of them". Nevermind that BT voted Raikaria before CF7 did. There's seriously no substance to Conq's suspicion beyond a defense of Raikaria. The argument that BT did nothing until Raikaria put his foot into his mouth doesn't mean much - having trouble reading people and doing nothing all game does not make you ineligible to find other people who are doing nothing scummy, and even ignoring that, Raikaria did the exact same thing with his CF7 vote, and BT was at least keeping up with the thread and trying to read people, even if his scumhunting was bad.

I also really dislike how he jumped to the conclusion I think BT is town because I'm paranoid Conq is scum, which doesn't flow logically in response to a post where I was saying people who think BT is scum should read his posts, meaning I think BT's posts are town.

[Kilgamayan]

While I don't think that Raikaria is scum, speaking in a completely general case, what is suicidal about forcing a buddy to use Insomniac? Insomniac is easy mode, all you have to do is talk about the flip and interactions. In fact it lets you coast for a good portion of the next day because you can just go HERE LOOK AT THIS POST.

It's 24 extra hours of being able to talk that you have to take advantage of once people know you have it because you have literally no excuse to not use it. If you've never actually been an Insomniac (I have) it's hard to understand the psychological pressure that goes into the role. You won't necessarily be able to coast, either, because people will invariably spend part of their night determining how they're going to address what you say, and then you have to address that in turn and etc. Basically you're forced to produce additional content - or, in the case of scum, you're forced into more opportunities to screw up than normal.

I've seen the role go to town and non-town several times over the years. I've only ever seen one non-town actually use it, and they sucked at it and got lynched for crappy content. On the other hand, every townie that had it used it and used it well enough to make the rest of the game think they were town for putting in effort and thoughtful content.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

This is all irrelevant because Raikaria is a relatively new player and would likely not think of the role that way, and even if Conq agrees he wouldn't have been online to tell Raikaria not to target him at the time.

[Kilgamayan]

So you think they wouldn't have discussed it at any point before he actually use it?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

The context of Raikaria's post makes me think that he chose the target on a whim regardless of alignment because he didn't have much mention of Conq up until that point (speaking of which: Raikaria, why did you pick Conq as your nighttalk target?)

Although I also think Conq would be self-confident enough that he could make good posts to accept nighttalk, especially if it could be interpreted as distancing.

though really this is kind of a waste of an argument since Raikaria hasn't even flipped scum yet