Ok, here we go. Sorry it's long, like half the damn game long :ohdear:
HW confirmed scum for giving the guy who could tell 0 players by posting style the ability that lets them see the scum posting style more frequently :V
Oh well, I'm not planning on going against the plan anyways.
No intention to question/request to alter the plan even though you agree your assigned role is poorly suited for you and would be better for someone else?
Minor but assuming scum it gives you free claim and a chance to steal a role without being questioned.
##Vote: PX
Early slight scumtell during Defcom 5
Announced intentions to lurk
And he holds onto this for a long time. BT questions this and votes him.
What's the scumtell?
Self-conciousness about his role. He was the first person to assert his identity as an American, which started a chain of jokes. I didn't pay much attention to the jokes afterwards since they had reason to join in at that point.
Isn't this really bad? Certainly not something to hold onto for ages.
##Unvote: PX
##Vote: ActionDan
Fair enough considering what was going on.
It's not until defcon 4 that Scum get their NK, and days =! defcon status, correct? Wouldn't it be better for town to quicklynch (or, at the very least keep it to 48 hours deadline)?
Wait, what? You want to quick lynch (most likely town) in order to get scum and SK their night kills sooner?
Nobody touched on it at all apart from Huh What correcting the DEFCON order and explaining DEFCON 2 starts after the night of the lynch. Never spoken of again.
I think as far as non-posters go Serela is worse than PX since he literally just said "I'm okay with this plan" and did nothing else at all
That doesn't really seem all that bad to me comparatively. If anything, I'd be more ready to argue that PX's attempts to argue with the plan look like forced content posts. Either way, it doesn't really have anything to do with why I want PX lynched.
Still wants PX lynched due to DEFCON 5 line.
##Unvote: Actiondan
##Vote: Shadoweh
Dan still needs to face his crimes
PX is still scum.
Also, the real problem with HW's plan is that it included Eavesdropper as one of the roles a person would actually role. I should have just dropped the plan and taken the sub or something.
So why didn't you? You had time and reason.
Maybe because it was a great setup with you being scum? Perhaps went for sub anyway?
Of course, PX is still scum, and NNR is dumb for following along that line of reasoning, and also PX hasn't done anything in the game that even resembles scumhunting and is just forcing an opinion so he can lay down a lazyvote, and seriously, NNR, you can still redeam yourself if you help me start a wagon on PX, I don't think you're scum yet.
So this is slightly more than the DEFCON 5 "scumtell" I guess. Still think it's bad and not quite unlike your PX goings after.
Saying PX has contributed once is an over-exaggeration. His content is only better than dan's by the fact that he didn't cause everyone to lose their mind for two days and going.
Yet you'd rather push for the PX lynch still going off of DEFCON 5 and policy?
Also, this is completely off topic, but what Airline did you take on your trip, Serela?
United.
It is good to set up your scum buddy clears early and neatly.
Serela is either a competent liar or town. I'm more inclined to believe the latter.
I still think PX is worse than rawr, but that's likely because in addition to not providing analysis, and making a useless comment against HW's plan that people seem to mistake for scumhunting when it's really not, I'm also holding that tell from confirmation phase against him. I've been lenient considering the AFKness, but I was hoping he'd do something to at least make me doubt basing an entire scum read based off an joking comment.
I'll happily sheep Rawr if I can't get PX lynched.
basically, I'm only still on Shadoweh because I want to see where people are going to go when we realize that it's time to consolidate.
>_>Yet you're still pushing PX for a "joking comment".
If you mean invalidating the case on Dan, I do still believe that he's not scum so don't mind me thinking that invalidation isn't a bad thing.
Really tempted to start arguing semantics, but ehh.He's almost certainly the SK if not Russian, though. That should count for something at least '^'
##Unvote: Shadoweh
##Vote: PX to be more indicative of my feelings at the moment.
I really doubt that Shadokaria is going to go anywhere.
Edit: PX, I don't even remember who you're voting for, much less why.
Still on PX. But look above! I'd think "almost certainly SK if not Russian" would be a hell of a lot better vote to push on rather than your DEFCON 5 joke post scum tell.
If I was scum, I'd reluctantly wagon Raikari, and then use the resulting flip to tear into Shadoweh with a huge case tomorrow.
##Unvote: PX
##Vote: Serela
my town read was based solely on role shenans anyways.
Then Serela gets to 6/7 for a while, almost hung, and back down to 4 before Zakeri comes back. At least I'm assuming you weren't around cause otherwise you'd have pushed your PX scumtell when Raikaria was hell bent on it right? Might have worked then. But no, not there.
And then all of a sudden we're back at Serela 6 but this time with IHNN at 5. Aren't vote counts just lovely?
Raikaria pops this in:
Either someone else votes IHNN and I'll hammer, or someone hammers Serela. Honestly I don't want either lynched and my opinions on the two are so close that if one has to go I really don't care too much which it is.
So with good chances of Serela about to be lynched right there you're back just in time to take advantage of Raikaria's post, save your buddy and lynch a townie taking no blame.
It's worth noting that the Scum QT attempted to impersonate Serela, but ended up getting the airline he used wrong (Either that, or Serela was smart enough to name a different one than the message I received) This is the main reason for my town tell on him.
I'm willing to switch off of him, but I don't know what the votes are at and Conq is being slow.
I agree with HW's assessment of Serela's reaction, even though I'm just skimming the thread right now
##Unvote: Serela
##Vote: IHNN
Like I said, it's a good thing you set that claim up in advance. Though it does seem a little odd that this was shrugged off as "
meh, role shenans" but now it's distinguising.
Maybe it's just me.
Wait, what's that bolded bit? So you didn't know that Serela was just about to be lynched and that your post could get townie IHNN hammered almost immediately?
Ok then.
Very well then.
##Unvote Serela
## Vote and Hammer IHNN
Townie stealth mislynch accomplished, Well done Zakeri.
Normally, I'd do a thing where I drop everything to tunnel at the people on IHNN's bandwagon, but I get the feeling that the wagon might have been a wasted effort for what it's worth. I'll take a better look at it later.
I cut out that he's still on PX but has an actual reason now, even if I disagree with it. But still, you think analysing the wagon that you brought the hammer down on might be a waste of effort?
Never mind, you do anyway, that'll be in a moment.
HW's gambit might not have worked, but at least it outted Dormio as PX's probably scumbuddy.
wut?
He still hasn't responded to this.
I don't really think Zak's dancing about with the stuff related to me is likely to be fake, though.
Anyways, as promised, Obligatory Wagon analysis
so in short, BT and HW had a half decent case, Serela and Shadoweh followed along with sheeping. Dormie and NNR swings away from Serela. Then it ends with me and Raikaria consolidating.
In short, the reasoning becomes weaker as time goes on, but that's more because time grew short rather than anything else. All in all, the wagon does nothing to change my opinion, but I'M POSTING THIS ANYWAY BECAUSE I ALWAYS FEEL DIRTY AND ITCHY IF I DON'T FORCE INDEPTH WAGON ANALYSIS AS SOON AS WE GET IT.
So your in-depth wagon analysis is that there's nothing to really look at as it gets weaker and weaker the closer it gets to you saving Serela and forcing hammer on IHNN?
I hate wasting days because it feels like day one: part 2, but then again this game's day one was surprisingly good for me,
Indeed.
I like you, Massaca
Mutual, despite this post.
