DEFCON Mafia (Night 2, DEFCON 2)

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

RE: Raikaria: in context he was complaining about my attack on him being unreasonable and my thoughts about how scum is handling the setup being unreasonable

I like both the NNR / rawr wagons but don't have anything more to add to them. Would actually take rawr over NNR since he feels like he's putting in scummy non-effort. Thoughts on Dan are the same as my last post (he is legit scummy now that I've thought about it instead of just being frustrated with everything).

[ActionDan]

since people want some clarification.

HW blatantly scumslipped.  When you see it you'll shit bricks.

I suppose there are maybe a few auxillary reasons to suspect him that hobbled together might look like a shanty of a case, but the above is the breadwinner.

@HW: Yeah, I can't blame you for "snapping" at me, but there isn't anything you can do to defend.  I am a little amused how your attitude towards me has evolved from PL to an offhand comment about me being the SK to this most recent post calling me legit scummy.

[Conqueror]

Day 1, DEFCON 3

Votecount Urgent Fury
ActionDan:    Raikaria, Zakeri, NekoNekoRex, huhwhat (4)
NekoNekoRex:    BT, Dormio (2)
huhwhat:    ActionDan, PX (2)
rawr:    Shadoweh, IHNN (2)

Not voting: Serela, rawr

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 3 days and 14 hours left.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

##Vote: rawr

More after school

[Shadoweh]

Looking at the post you quoted I don't see a scumslip worth vacating into my pants over..

[Raikaria]

Looking at the post you quoted I don't see a scumslip worth vacating into my pants over..

Agreeing with Shadoweh here.

If you think there is such an important scumslip, why are you so hesitant about sharing it with the town, so that the scum gets lynched?

To me, saying 'I know this huge scumslip but I won't tell you what trust me guys k?' is anti-town at best and outright scum at worst.

[Shadoweh]

I wouldn't go that far. I'd want other people to be able to see it on their own too, and I'm pretty sure Dan knows he's not going to be able to push a case on huh what over nonsense considering his hypnotic qualities.

[NekoNekoRex]

2 new pages this can't be good.

OKAY so BT is town since scum stole RB to block him every night. I did not actually lose my role; I was gonna fakeclaim but then realized I didn't think that through at all and scum would know my role wasn't stolen.

There we go again with the speculation. I suppose that Shadoeh is now infallable town for having his role stolen?

Yeah I really don't like NNR's #146 and others.
Like what is with the AtE there?

It's called "venting".

Why is there a need to mention annoyance at the game state without saying what annoys you?

I thought my #146 quite clearly stated why this game is frustrating to me. My role pick and the amount of rolespec/scumspec fluff is frustrating and getting voted on top of that for ~tone~ is even more annoying because I have no defense against it. I can't even use my role to prevent my lynch here because I'm fucking vanilla again. Not that Roleblocker was of any value to town anyway. I hate being disposable.

I mean, it seems like the main focus of your frustration is coming from the attack on Raikaria and I'm left wondering why this frustrates you so.

Mostly because it's hard to discern anything else as a scumread because this game is so bad. Also when I am unhappy I tend to miss stuff which only leads me to playing worse.

I currently think that Raikaria and NekoNekoRex are scum that panicked and overreacted to an ED1 wagon.

I invite you to look at every mafia game I've been in. I always get wagoned ED1, and I always react to it.
EDIT: And look what day it is again! It's a good thing today isn't deadline.
Aside from that, what wagon? I don't see an actual wagon on me yet.

HW blatantly scumslipped.  When you see it you'll shit bricks.

Feel free to quote and explain.

[WHMZakeri]

HW blatantly scumslipped.  When you see it you'll shit bricks.

##Unvote: Actiondan
##Vote: Actiondan

Please explain what this scumslip is.

[WHMZakeri]

I think as far as non-posters go Serela is worse than PX since he literally just said "I'm okay with this plan" and did nothing else at all

That doesn't really seem all that bad to me comparatively. If anything, I'd be more ready to argue that PX's attempts to argue with the plan look like forced content posts. Either way, it doesn't really have anything to do with why I want PX lynched.

Did you ever consider Shadoweh could be scum to begin with? These silly assumptions don't factor in that you never knew who scum were to begin with, and your forced picks mean any three people you assigned a role could be scum.

This is true. If Shadoweh get's cop, there's just as much of a chance that it's because you have cop to scum, rather than Scum deciding they didn't need to grab cop out from under town. Getting the role you were assigned doesn't make you town.

Based on those QT posts I suggest we nuke PX for being obvious scum.

~<3

Also, can someone be nice and explain who Oscar is? Thanks~

I've reread NNR and Dr. Rawr. I don't have anything personal against them, but Rawr can easily be my number three choice if I can't get the two I want now.

[BT]

Also, can someone be nice and explain who Oscar is? Thanks~

I'll get to this in a bit. I've been swamped with assignments.

[Serela]

HW you're silly, I was on airplanes returning to the east coast of US from Hawaii all day. The mod even announced me as V/LA. :C I forgot what that means but that's not the point, anyway I'm back now hi

Kind of tempted to vote Dan, but there's enough "what the fuck is even going on here" in that area that I'd rather let him explain himself first. Voting him anyway would just feel like sitting on my laurels not giving a fuck which would be dumb

HW should lay off the role spec because even with attempts to break the setup it really isn't going to get anywhere to start that stuff ASAP (that being said, idle suggestions on what certain roles should do with their powers a la Shadoweh/PX's things, are totally cool as long as people don't start getting into big discussions about it. And no I don't mean px's vote on hw)

I'm having an issue deciding which of Rawr/Raikaria/NNR are actually good voting options. Maybe IHNN could go in that list too. I guess this is because, when it comes down to it, the game only just started and I rarely get much out of ed1 >_> I keep typing "I have no interest in voting ____" and then I read another one of their posts and backspace that out. Buh.

Rawr feels too easy of a target. He didn't even vote, and I headtilt when trying to read his post. I'd almost feel bad even suggesting I want to vote NNR because it feels like he's been immediately wagoned (and usually lynched) in all recent memory of mafia on here.

Oh my god I seriously have an issue with not wanting to vote people before late day 1. Nevermind.
##vote ActionDan

Everyone I didn't mention is in a group of "they look alright to me so far".

All it would require is two more townies to have jumped on and scum could have quickhammered.

I giggled

[Serela]

When I scrolled up a little and saw Zakeri voting Dan I went "oh god did I just hammer Action Dan" and then I looked harder and went "oh he's just revoting him, nevermind

[NekoNekoRex]

Also, can someone be nice and explain who Oscar is? Thanks~

I think that's the point.

Does that change the fact that the time lapsed was only 2.5 hours?
In fact, the fact that you worded it that way to make it seem like a longer period of time that it was could be seen as an attempt to further defend your friend NNR.

Quit acting like he has to fight my battles for me. It's hard enough to find scum in you lot without having people pinned to me as scumbuddies. Besides, I myself already stated HW wasn't the problem. Maybe he should answer to why he thought I my text wall which clearly only mentioned him once was all directed at him.
Dormio what is your opinion on HW?
I'm starting to piece together stuff about him, my read yesterday was clouded by frustration and I'm feeling less obstinately angry about Mafia. Half his reads are rolespec, and his reads change too quick, as if he's thinking way too hard and putting things in a perspective he can agree with more easily, even if not honest, ie going from "dan is SK" to "dan is totally scum". It strikes me as scum trying to paint someone in a bad light to make them look more suspicious over time.

Stuff like this:

Raikaria's latest response isn't GOOD but it makes me think his earlier posts weren't from a scum mindset. NNR saying "Raikaria's responses have been lackluster" without going in-depth makes me think he's just clinging onto a weak vote for the sake of voting.

Just isn't true. I responded to Raikaria's response. I shouldn't have to have had explain why I thought it was lackluster because I responded to it directly.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

It's called "venting".

Why do we need to hear it?

I can't even use my role to prevent my lynch here because I'm fucking vanilla again.

Why is this a thing?
Guess what? Roles mean absolutely nothing to me this game.
I said it earlier, didn't I? Lynch the people that look scummy.
And I think that's the opinion that everyone else should be sharing.

Mostly because it's hard to discern anything else as a scumread because this game is so bad.

More shitty AtE.
Why is the game bad? Because people are attacking Raikaria?

I invite you to look at every mafia game I've been in. I always get wagoned ED1, and I always react to it.

Going to tell you the same thing I told Raikaria: Don't care.

My role pick

You could have tried saying you wanted something else during DEFCON 4?
Either way, who gives a fuck about the role you get?

the amount of rolespec/scumspec fluff is frustrating

I think the only person that's really been doing this is HW.

It's hard enough to find scum in you lot without having people pinned to me as scumbuddies.

Not my fault if it looks like you're defending Raikaria and vice versa.
I like how you haven't responded to any of my points regarding this.
Your change in opinion in particular interests me.

Dormio what is your opinion on HW?

I'm reading HW as town right now. Problem?

Also, Dan sucks.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Still believing in the power of love that binds NNR and Raikaria together.

[Raikaria]

Honestly I don't have much to say on the developments. So I'll just post where I stand:

Huh What: Still don't like that post I indicated earlier, even with the explanation given, he had hardly mentioned you, let alone formed a wall of text.

Dormio: You're wrong. However, feel free to keep persueing your power of love theory. Still, I think you're town, since you are clearly scumhunting and putting effort in.

ActionDan: At first my vote was borderline OMGUS/Prodding for actual reasons. Then it was 'play or get lynched'. Now my vote on him is for his 'scumslip' which no-one else seems to be able to read, yet he refuses to elaborate on. Sorry, but why would you not explain a 'scumslip' that no-one else seems to understand? I'd probobly consider moving my vote if he'd just explain, but as it stands his refusal to do so is screaming scum to me.

Pretty much everyone else I have a null read on at this stage, be it due to a lack of participation, or me just not having my mind made up.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I just find it really weird how strongly you reacted to votes without rhyme or reason, yet you can just nonchalantly ignore my suspicions about you.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I forgot what that means but that's not the point,

Vacation/Limited Access iirc.

Also is it just me being tired, bored, and trying to avoid doing any work or are people not posting.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Pee Ecks if we're waiting until Saturday in America time that's like AFK'ing for 3 days.

[Serela]

but saturday is tomorrow :C?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

In America time PX spend the 13th not posting, the 14th not posting, the 15th not posting and he'll finally be back on the 16th.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Spent. I'm good at typing. Unless PX feels liking showing up earlier than what he announced.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

More after school

j/k i'm gonna play fe13 all day

dan is probably not scummy like i thought if he was voting me over a perceived scumslip (which he'd assume he could out at any time to guarantee a wagon) and not a case he withheld from the town for no reason

[Shadoweh]

Dormio, Neko, you are forbidden from talking to each other, SERIOUSLY.
Also Neko this game doesn't HAVE vanillas.

[Shadoweh]

I would vote PX for lurking but that dead horse smells really bad to me today.

[Shadoweh]

There we go again with the speculation. I suppose that Shadoeh is now infallable town for having his role stolen?

GODDAMNIT I'M NOT A DUDE Yes, but if I'm the one that has to explain the logic of why then no one will believe me because it's me saying it. There's too many missing roles for me to have gotten away with being a nuke though.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Dormio, Neko, you are forbidden from talking to each other, SERIOUSLY.

Bite me. Does that mean you think he's town and that you don't agree with my thoughts in regards to Raikaria x NNR OTP?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

GODDAMNIT I'M NOT A DUDE

Since that's crossed out... futa?

[Shadoweh]

I think you're town. I don't know if it's possible to tell scum-NNR arguing with you from town-NNR arguing with you because he's always angrilly arguing with you. I am not averse to dropping a nuke on Raikaria.