RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: Rewrite Mafia)

[Affinity]

years

Wow, it sort of just hit me.

[Shadoweh]

Sword Girls was a terrible disaster of a role madness setup, but admittedly I don't think the play was that bad, mostly just a few lurkabilly players.  I can't really comment on the others off the top of my head, but I specifically brought up AGOM and BGOM because they were open setup and I think there's a direct correlation between that sort of simple setup and an objectively higher level of observed play.

Oh man remember that game where we lynched slowly down a list of the 5 scummiest players knowing there was scum inside them?
Yeah, Zombie Balanced Game of Mafia was awesome.
I don't think AGOM counts because I don't remember any power roles in that game. *crosses arms*

I think one of the biggest things Serela's last game did right was let scum nightkill as well as action, it stopped the most common logic puzzle of figuring out who didn't really take an action. I am comfortable in Serela's loving modding arms of disaster. Even though he killed me before the endgame. >:<

[Edible]

Oh man remember that game where we lynched slowly down a list of the 5 scummiest players knowing there was scum inside them?

Do you know how much alcohol was required to bleach that game from my memory?  APPARENTLY YOU DON'T

I don't think AGOM counts because I don't remember any power roles in that game. *crosses arms*

i think shadoweh is the cop

[PX]

Zombie mafia was ended early, mod gave scum a victory with 1 alive amongst 4 players :/

[I have no name]

i think shadoweh is the cop

##Vote: Shadoweh

Also, I find it funny how I've played vanilla every game except 2-AGOM and PX's, where I was a cop.

[Pesco]

Being an elitist

angel beats and 10Ds were pretty questionable despite not being role madness. swordgirls being a disaster wasn't due to play level and iirc roles barely got involved in the discussion, just the scum quicktopic. imp mafia wasn't a disaster and roles did get involved in discussion there. i dunno i think motk just sucks

Being constructive

Setup is open -> Fakeclaims are restricted and head-up-ass stupid role theories are eliminated -> People play the game instead of the setup -> Overall play quality improves

Oh, woe are we! If only someone had been espousing that third step for years!

If all you want to do is claim MotK sucks without being proactive about a solution, please leave. There have been plenty of other players who hold the same opinion and took their leave without being a snark.

Isn't mafia more co-op/multiplayer than roleplaying (referring to the archive ToC if you're going to categorize the new games that way)?

I've been saying for years that Mafia is a single shot roleplay episode. You get told who you are supposed to be in the game and you put on an act for the objective.

[capt. h]

Well, what I really liked about my popcorn mafia game is that the rules didn't encourage the same level of rage that you get with unanimous voting, that is, you didn't have people raging about needing to build wagons. I'd like to run it again except allowing scum to hold the gun as well.

See, I think a bigger part of mafia's negativity is that the rules encourage raging at people that don't go along with the crowd to get a majority lynch, and that removing the majority element, instead giving each player their own shot at shooting scum rather than everyone including scum pushing for a single lynch, would improve the Motk atmosphere. I'd like to run more tests to see if my hypothesis is true, but my suggestion in response to Pesco is that we experiment more with the popcorn setup.

[NekoNekoRex]

If every new game is yet another retarded and whacky set up that discourages players to continue playing Mafia here, then how have we managed to build up the mafia community to the level it is now?
You all sound like a bunch of cynical pricks.

If my partially role-heavy game is going to cause a ton of whining I might as well normalize it now, before it comes around in half a year


To the people whining about how the game is played:
Consider the following:

Maybe you are just as much part of the apparent problem?
I don't think there's a single player here who can claim to be better at mafia then anyone else.

[PX]

I'd like to run it again except allowing scum to hold the gun as well.

But that just means that scum giving themselves the gun is auto loss. Absolutely nothing would change except giving scum a suicide button.

[capt. h]

But that just means that scum giving themselves the gun is auto loss. Absolutely nothing would change except giving scum a suicide button.

Nah, the difference is that every time scum get shot, they get to pick the next gunholder. It's basically giving scum 2 extra... I want to say kills, but that's not entirely accurate in this context. Basically, in the original setup, scum could never decide who got the gun except on night 0; when I run it next time, I'd like scum to be able to select the next gunholder each time they get shot; I think that would help the balance.

This also means that you would die even if you shot scum, unlike the original setup where you lived as long as you never missed scum.

[Pesco]

Why tell me that you want to try something instead of just doing it. The only thing holding you back is common sense the sense of obligation to use the queue, which nobody is forced to oblige.

[I have no name]

Why tell me that you want to try something instead of just doing it. The only thing holding you back is common sense the sense of obligation to use the queue, which nobody is forced to oblige.

Nobody is forced to use the queue but it'd be looked down upon not to.
That and this kind of needs players and just starting a game without signups gets nowhere, and to get signups here you have to go through the queue...so as long as people don't join any random game started up without the queue.  Which no one is selfish enough around here to do that, right?

capt. h, I like that idea, as it simulates scum shooting the confirmed town player overnight.  Though wouldn't the town/scum ratio need to be adjusted a bit?

[PX]

Which means... even easier scum win. Unless you get a ridiculous Town:scum ratio.

[BT]

Oh man remember that game where we lynched slowly down a list of the 5 scummiest players knowing there was scum inside them?
Yeah, Zombie Balanced Game of Mafia was awesome.

No actually this was AGoM too, maybe just less apparent
It was a race against the clock in scum-perspective ever since D1 Serelawagon

In all honesty, this level of frustration from these kind of games is understandable, but we can make it better by not changing much if we focus on game more and roles less, as players playing the game. I mean, you wouldn't be posting about it if you didn't care. So just care while playing.

About Role Madness being the common thing... is it, really? I guess my definition of uncommon is out there, but if that's the case, we can just make some kind of 33% unlisted rule.

[Serela]

http://puu.sh/1ncqG

added two or three more avatars because I felt like it and went imagehunting again so hooray flavor for whichever of them. I can't choose which Kyary Pamyu Pamyu image to use though, because she is just, super duper cute, a lot of the time... or other things. (That's like five images okay just pick one)

I also just found a million .gifs of her so yeah.

11/13 signups

Changing your selection is allowed and picking a different name is allowed up to whenever the actual anonyaccount is made, etcetcetc

[ActionDan]

Hey Conq, look at dem peaches

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

If all you want to do is claim MotK sucks without being proactive about a solution, please leave.

lol

ftr i'm not turned off by motk's play level too much, my current lack of interesting in playing is more along the lines of "i just don't like it here"

[Shadoweh]

Which means... even easier scum win. Unless you get a ridiculous Town:scum ratio.

But town won the last Popcorn Mafia <_<
Serela am I detecting a mod bias in which images you want?

[Pesco]

ftr i'm not turned off by motk's play level too much, my current lack of interesting in playing is more along the lines of "i just don't like it here"

Same deal. Take yourself elsewhere if you don't like it here.

[Affinity]

REDACTED

[Bardiche]

Isn't it sad how the side-game filled up faster?

[Serela]

The side game is talk-less, so a bunch of people sign up who really aren't up for ~*~actual~*~ mafia, which isn't surprising. It's kind of like playing Everyone is Mafia Mafia; sure, the only thing removed was talking, but that kind of removes... the entire game. :V (This will be closer to real mafia then that though, of course. If nothing else there shall be some degree of VCA.)

Anyway, the side game is probably good, signups are stagnating and this can fill the time rather then me either twiddling my fingers or seeing if anyone would /in if I removed the anonymous part. If Affinity's game ends and the signups still don't fill up within a couple days after that, though, then yeah, we'll do... something else.

[Shadoweh]

You could just slim the game down a bit. 11 players isn't bad!

[NekoNekoRex]

Wait, there's a side game now?

[Serela]

You could just slim the game down a bit. 11 players isn't bad!

and then they lynched anti-town every day and had successful doc protects and still went into lylo on d3 or 4

...of course, I'm not anywhere near that inexperienced anymore. If signups aren't full by the previously mentioned time I suppose I can do that. Would still be super appreciated if I just got the players instead, though, for obvious reasons and because  blegh trying to figure out how to balance numbers for the setup in lower player amounts.

[ActionDan]

its not hard for low numbers.

[NekoNekoRex]

How the hell does Wordless Mafia even work well? You're purely relying on votecounts and shooting in the dark otherwise.

No discussion, no social implications

[PX]

How the hell does Wordless Mafia even work well? You're purely relying on votecounts and shooting in the dark otherwise.

No discussion, no social implications

It's not shooting in the dark unless you treat it as such. The key is finding the scum in the votes.

[Affinity]

It is meant as an experiment to see whether mafia can be played by vcas alone and cutting out all the fat that can possibly come with normal games.  It's based on the idea that scum don't vote for themselves in the presence of power roles and such.  It's possible that it could become a lolfest but no harm trying I guess.

[NekoNekoRex]

>Scum don't shoot themselves where there are power roles
>Last game started with a Double Bus

uh yeah