Labyrinth of Touhou 8F

[Raikaria]

Walking around on 3F now. Immediately walked into Alice, and an event here suggested I'll run into Yuugi on this floor or some other.j

There sure are a lot of dead-end corridors in here.

All I'll say is I hope you like grinding :V

[SirChaotick]

I think for your sake everyone should refrain from spoiling for the time being.

Heh. I can see where you're coming from, this place sure has a lot of secrets. It's fun to be a newbie 

All I'll say is I hope you like grinding :V

It's okay for now, since there's treasure all over the freaking place.

Sooo I just tried to batter up Rumia. It was going really well, no idea what all the hubbub's about... until she used Demarcation and I understood.

[Mr. Sacchi]

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I just finished this game, the main game, at least.

For the first time, no cheat engine used (Except to speed up grinding, since i hate grinding but REALLY wanna finish this game), I finished this game.

Now, I have access to miss overpowered herself - Mystia Lorelei.

As for the battle... Everything went was smoothly as possible. That is, until the last minute. I began the fight by ran buffing everyone, and keeping Shredding Amnesiari as Paralyzed as possible, once Aria-singing Toruastory appeared, I just mass debuffed it with a 3-elixir Reisen and it was barely a threat. Then she summoned Staring Igmaruji.

Then shit went to hell.

Staring Igmaruji wasn't a problem in and of itself, it went down before it took a third turn. The problem was Shredding Amnesiari, it pretty much got tired of me PAR-Locking him and outright REFUSED to get paralyzed, 3 Evil-Sealing Circles and Meshes of Light and Darkness, and no PAR. It got even worse when he decided that DTH'ing my Reimu was a fun idea with Hyperspace Slash.

Once Staring Igmaruji went down, I immediately focused Shredding Amnesiari, killing it before it took two turns, Aria-singing Toruastory was barely a problem, it got a Strengthen Jutsu off, but I just exploded it.

I then went to town on her.

She overflowed herself, and proceeded to pound HARD on my team. What you see on that screenshot is literally everything that was left of my team. She got two chaotic Quadruple Barriers on my Meiling, effectively locking her down, and then proceeding to insta-kill both Flandre and Suwako with another Overflowed Berserk, which also took Meiling, with a DTH'ed Reimu, Meiling and two of my damage dealers down, I just took everything I still had, after several more poundings (And a third overflowing), I finally managed to finish her off with Iku (Who only survived thanks to a miraculous heal by Minoriko), Yukari, Kaguya and Nitori. The Gun was the killing blow.

I don't think I need to say much more. I'm euphoric, also, Reimu level 133 - a bit overleveled, as far as I'm concerned, but it was still a fair fight.

Now, on to get miss overpowered, and pound hard on the Post game.

[SirChaotick]

I have no idea what that all means, but I gather it's a big accomplishment. Relish in your well-deserved surge of dopamin.

For my part, I beat Rumia. Reimu was at level 15. It's going pretty smoothly.

[Phlegeth]

Started playing this again, started over cause my old save was on another computer.  I remember how unfun it was running into Suwako after exploring so I skipped a frog on F7, but now I can't get the frog that triggered the fight in the first place, so is the last frog always going to be the same?

[I have no name]

The frog that triggers the fight is always the 8th one.  I'm yet to test this, but I think the game triggers the Suwako fight after the event that gives you the 8th frog.

[Phlegeth]

I mean, what I was asking was, is the eight frog always going to be the same one?  The one that's on the other side of the map from the downstairs to the 7th floor?  I remember that being the one that Suwako came after, but I can't trigger it.  There's not even a "!" speech bubble.

[I have no name]

No, the frog that triggers Suwako is not fixed.  Whenever you find the 8th frog, Suwako will show up.

[Phlegeth]

Ah thanks, I must have picked that one with out noticing.  I hate to admit it, but I had to use the map on the wiki to find the one I missed, I explored all of F8 by myself except for one square just a little to the right of the center of the map.  That hurt my pride a little bit  :V

[Parallaxal]

I always intentionally skip the frog that appears right next to Tam's Foe on the 7th floor. It's the easiest frog to reach, so as long as I remember not to get it, I can have quick access to Suwako whenever I desire.

[SirChaotick]

On my sixth try today and fourteenth overall, I polished off Alice Margatroid with Reimu at 18. I had to get a little lucky.

Then I tried to pause. With escape.

*cliff*

[Phlegeth]

I'm fighting the Eientei group.  I managed to take out Kaguya and was working on Reisen, when Eirin just decided to kill us all.  She did over 4000 damage to everyone, Meiling included.  And everyone had at least 60% Mind and Defense boost.  So what the hell do I do against that?

[I have no name]

Short version:
Each one of them has an uber attack that they will use after a certain trigger is met.

Detailed version that goes slightly in-depth into game mechanics:

Spoiler:

These triggers are certain health values, at which point they will focus beforehand, OR, they can use it any time after someone is taken out.  Eirin and Reisen can both use theirs after Kaguya, and Kaguya can use hers after Eirin is removed.  Reisen's is the same as her previous fight, but Kaguya's and Eirin's both ignore defenses, the only way to survive is pump SPI affinity.

[Raikaria]

Spoiler:

Basically, the ideal situation is to kill Kaguya and Eirin at the same time, so you only have to deal with Reisen's ultimate attack, which you can actually defend against.

Of course, ignoring defense means you can also defend against it with HP as well as SPI resist, I think Komachi can do well here.

[DarkAtma]

Is full HP meiling recomendable? =/

[Serela]

Is full HP meiling recomendable? =/

No, but it works alright. It's better for Meiling to go full DEF though.

Of course, as I say this, I admit I pumped HP for like 50 levels to make her able to take Shikieiki's Last Judgment.

[I have no name]

HP/DEF works best for Meiling I think, with an early defensive focus shifting more towards an HP focus as the opponents get more and more defense piercing moves.

[EthanSilver]

I'm fighting the Eientei group.  I managed to take out Kaguya and was working on Reisen, when Eirin just decided to kill us all.  She did over 4000 damage to everyone, Meiling included.  And everyone had at least 60% Mind and Defense boost.  So what the hell do I do against that?

Oh man, this was my favorite battle. It was so hard the first time (took like 2 days of occasional attempts and repeated griding) - the fairly long route leading up to the fight doesn't help.

Spoiler:

Once you kill off one of them or reduce their health enough, the fight goes into overdrive mode. As soon as a boss uses focus you know they're about to do horrible things to you. You can keep Reisen pinned down pretty easily with Cirno, Reimu, Suwako, a few others since paralysis hits her like a sack of bricks. I think you can keep Kaguya from using her debuff on you if you avoid hitting anyone in the group with more than a few debuffs, too. Ideally keep them pinned down with multi-target paralysis skills, avoid hitting them with too many debuffs, and try to save Reisen for last since she can be nullified easily enough. At least IIRC that was how I did it.

[Pandaology]

What is the recommended level for the Celestial Bright Demon? Also where is the best grind spot early post game, I get wiped really fast on floor 24.

[Phlegeth]

Oh man, this was my favorite battle. It was so hard the first time (took like 2 days of occasional attempts and repeated griding) - the fairly long route leading up to the fight doesn't help.

Spoiler:

Once you kill off one of them or reduce their health enough, the fight goes into overdrive mode. As soon as a boss uses focus you know they're about to do horrible things to you. You can keep Reisen pinned down pretty easily with Cirno, Reimu, Suwako, a few others since paralysis hits her like a sack of bricks. I think you can keep Kaguya from using her debuff on you if you avoid hitting anyone in the group with more than a few debuffs, too. Ideally keep them pinned down with multi-target paralysis skills, avoid hitting them with too many debuffs, and try to save Reisen for last since she can be nullified easily enough. At least IIRC that was how I did it.

Spoiler:

That's what I ended up doing.  I opened with Reimu, Alice, Nitori, and Wriggle.  And I switched out Wriggle for Patchy after they were poisoned.  I just spammed Evil Sealing Circle, Little Legion, Extension Arm, and Royal Flare until Kaguya was dead.  Then I tagged Alice and Nitori for Marisa and Yuugi and used Master Spark and Knockout in Three Steps.  Then I just wailed on Reisen until I won.  I managed to keep her and Eirin Paralyzed for most of the fight.  I'd feel like I was cheating if that wasn't my bazillionith attempt.

[I have no name]

What is the recommended level for the Celestial Bright Demon? Also where is the best grind spot early post game, I get wiped really fast on floor 24.

I was grinding on 20F until I reached 25F.

I'd suggest Reimu at around level 210 I think.

[MysTeariousYukari]

So, after remembering my login... :V

I finally got my crew to past Level 1000 XD Chen is no longer my highest level character, but Rumia! At 1378, she has 7 levels on my Chen XD Guess that is what happens when you don't use Chen, but do use Rumia XD

Also, at these levels, I find that only

Spoiler:

Final Boss V2 and The Super Boss can survive Megawatt, surviving 4 and 5 hits each

which is tons of damage to survive o_o

[Raikaria]

So, after remembering my login... :V

I finally got my crew to past Level 1000 XD Chen is no longer my highest level character, but Rumia! At 1378, she has 7 levels on my Chen XD Guess that is what happens when you don't use Chen, but do use Rumia XD

Also, at these levels, I find that only

Spoiler:

Final Boss V2 and The Super Boss can survive Megawatt, surviving 4 and 5 hits each

which is tons of damage to survive o_o

Spoiler:

W*I*N*N*E*R is literally impossible to OHKO, and gets significantly more HP and stats every time you do beat him and re-fight him. It's no shocker you can't OHKO him, although I'm shocked it's even a 4/5 HKO.

[Phlegeth]

I finally got my crew to past Level 1000 XD Chen is no longer my highest level character, but Rumia! At 1378, she has 7 levels on my Chen XD Guess that is what happens when you don't use Chen, but do use Rumia XD

Cirno and Chen are duking it out for highest level in my game.  Yeah, not using Chen and Cirno usually being the first person I tag in probably helps.  Also through seer dumb luck she's almost always in the party at the end of boss fights.

[Pesco]

Spoiler:

W*I*N*N*E*R is literally impossible to OHKO, and gets significantly more HP and stats every time you do beat him and re-fight him. It's no shocker you can't OHKO him, although I'm shocked it's even a 4/5 HKO.

Nothing that massive amounts of levels can't fix. My PC broke down and I haven't been able to recover my stuff yet. Can't get it done for the showing.

[Phlegeth]

Did I miss something?  Cause I can not make any progress on Floor 15.  The random encounters are so annoying.  There are these shadows that don't die, these knights that don't die, the tengu that don't die, and the lampost that you can barely even scratch.  I thought Floor 14 was annoying with the Golem that didn't die.  My exploration team is Meiling, Yuugi, Alice, and Marisa.  Up until Floor 14, Marisa and Alice would kill most everything and Yuugi would pick off any survivors and Meiling made sure there wasn't a surprise party wipe.  But now after an Asteroid Belt, Little Legion, and Storm on Mt. Ooe the entire enemy party is still alive and kicking.  And those Knights can make short work of Meiling.  My levels are late fifties to mid-sixties and I have their HP, SP, ATK or MAG, DEF, MIND, and SPD up to Lv30.  And affinities around Lv10. 

[Zil]

I'm not certain or anything, but I don't think Yuugi has much place in random fights. Just have one tank (if even that), someone to debilitate the enemies, and the others should be big fast multi-target hitters. I recommend using someone fast to paralyze them (Cirno works well, I don't remember who else there is) if you can't outspeed them from the start. Also note that Marisa's MYS element often cuts her damage is some fights. If you're going to use slow characters with big nukes Patchy is probably a better choice, especially given how she can usually strike the enemy's weakness. Remi is probably better than Meiling in randoms since she can get out some quick attacks, while Meiling just takes hits. Alternatively, you might use the tank to swap other characters around, letting you get more attacks in (i.e. remove the paralyzer to bring in someone stronger).

[Serela]

Weaknesses like SPI (and I think maybe FIR) take out the shadows well, and non-physical attacks (Alice has magic too!) work better on knights. For the invincible seeming enemies you need something nuke-tier; Yuugi might have something that can do the trick.

Yuugi's fine in randoms because she has a workable MT skill and her nukes are good for those single tough enemies.

Reimu works as a paralyzer while still being someone you want to have unlike Cirno, who gets stale as characters who have more use then "Speed down and PAR" while still having such skills come up. Plus she has nifty SPI stuff!

I didn't ever stick to 4 specific people in an exploration party because of TP (or whatever the motivation stat was, it's been years), although in Plus Disk where I had a party of half support people and more TP then before it became more common to only have a very small pool of characters used for it.

[Phlegeth]

Trading Patchy for Yuugi helped a whole lot.  It never really crossed my mind to use Patchy as an explorer, just cause in early game her horrible TP and expensive spells made her horrible for it.  But not that's all moot, what with her having more Mana than Marisa and Royal Flare being cheaper than Asteroid Belt and having some nice TP boosting items.  She actually lasts longer than Marisa and Alice.  And it's not like I use just those four characters and go home when they run out of Mana.  They're just my front line, I do switch in characters when they run low.  I have Yuugi, Cirno, and Nitori for physical damage and Rumia, Sanae, and Reisen for Magical.  Also have Reimu and Minoriko around just in case.

But I haven't gotten much use out of Minoriko in awhile.  Sanae heals for more and removes ailments.  Rumia and Reimu can both party heal.  Reimu can buff the whole party in one turn and take a hit.  I was thinking of trading her for Ran cause buffing the reserves sounds really handy.  I'm not sure though because it's not a whole lot and she can only do it twice before having to tag out.  Any other suggestions for a party member.  I have everyone up to Tenshi and I'm missing four and have Suika.  And I think I might be getting Flandre and Kaguya (if that thing she said about the 16th floor happens) soon.

P.S.  I still hate the Tengus.  I ran into three Tengus and the first ignored Meiling, Alice, and Marisa and killed Patchy.  And then the second one killed Marisa.  And then just to mess with me, the third one used their weak Cherry Blossom attack.  And this was all before I got a turn.

[Parallaxal]

Tengu have 0 PAR resistance, so if you can load up Cirno with a ton of SPD items and some skill points in SPD to overcome the Tengu's 174 stat, you can easily paralyze them and keep them from doing anything while you mop them up. The catch is that you need more than just 174 speed, since they can still act if you paralyze them while their bar is full.

Minoriko is good because she's a great MND tank with really low delays on her spells. Sure, Sanae's heal might be stronger, but Minoriko can spam hers almost twice as fast.