Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F (Read 221186 times)

ExPorygon · « **Reply #720 on:** July 16, 2012, 04:31:45 AM »

Quote from: Raikaria on July 14, 2012, 09:29:07 PM

Can't say for certain yet, but I *may* be able to salvage some of my files. My draft run may be recoverable. When I reinstalled Windows most of my files got moved to Windows.old, and not outright deleted as I anticipated. Ofc, I need to ensure that I can pinpoint the virus before I fish around and see exactly what is recoverable, but from going to my old desktop folder I see my shortcut there at least, which is a good omen.

I hope that's the case, really sorry about what happened

Anyway, my draft run is finally progressing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zgESQ64zQA

Finished the 1F and defeated Chen and Meiling. They were quite easy, as expected. Chen took out 2 party members while Meiling didn't defeat anyone. I was surprised to find that they were both nearly immune to poison. Why did the developers bother to make them poison immune but not death immune? It seems really weird but oh well, it's not like i needed to poison them.

Parallaxal · « **Reply #721 on:** July 16, 2012, 04:50:28 AM »

I'm just derping around and taking it slow and easy after having finished the main game with my draft run. Working my way through the V2 bosses, still have about 6 or 7 of them left to go.

Just finished collecting the four unique drops from the 20F mobs, so that's nice to cross off my list.

Smashy · « **Reply #722 on:** July 17, 2012, 08:10:25 PM »

Finally got back around to my game, where I was currently at 16F but stuck there. I did manage to go defeat Kaguya's FOE (Reimu level 69) despite it literally being "Toss fire resist on Meiling/Yuugi/Remilia, throw my usual dungeon team at it" and losing Reimu and Meiling to the "hay I'm using Flowing Hellfire a turn early you ok with that?" thing. Hooray Ranbuffs and Cirno SPD debuffing.

Now back to the grind and maybe poking the two bosses I still have to fight.

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #723 on:** July 18, 2012, 03:42:02 AM »

The Foes skip a step in their pattern if one of their single-target skills initially targets an empty slot (you don't see this targeting, as the move is automatically retargeted), so try not to have any empty slots when it acts.

I have no name · « **Reply #724 on:** July 21, 2012, 03:33:16 AM »

Further uploads for my draft run:

Rumia (Reimu level 13): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Iu0x_zHxM
Ifrit (Reimu level 16): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrZkhl05tAc
Alice (Reimu level 17): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT77afOIS6E

Quote from: Ozzy on July 16, 2012, 04:31:45 AM

I was surprised to find that they were both nearly immune to poison. Why did the developers bother to make them poison immune but not death immune? It seems really weird but oh well, it's not like i needed to poison them.

So was I-perhaps it's because you could have posion at that point without being too overpowered for the fights? (yeah right, since you'd have to beat Youmu). At least you wouldn't be able to get death at that point without being able to oneshot them both.

Frogbuster · « **Reply #725 on:** July 23, 2012, 11:25:48 PM »

Does anyone know what the general patterns are for various boss moves? Because I was considered dropping my second tank slot for a moderately tanky -supporter, which frees up two slots for Iku/Nukers.

Also, I beat Maribel Han :3 yay

Now I just have to drop-grind 20F...

Smashy · « **Reply #726 on:** July 24, 2012, 01:23:39 AM »

Quote from: GuyYouMetOnline on July 18, 2012, 03:42:02 AM

The Foes skip a step in their pattern if one of their single-target skills initially targets an empty slot (you don't see this targeting, as the move is automatically retargeted), so try not to have any empty slots when it acts.

Except I never did. Maybe it's just a desperation thing for Kaguya's FOE or something

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #727 on:** July 24, 2012, 02:39:29 AM »

You may have just mis-remembered its spot in the pattern (I've done that a few times). Outside of what I already mentioned, I've never seen any of the Foes break pattern.

I have no name · « **Reply #728 on:** July 24, 2012, 02:47:11 AM »

I have seen Kaguya's Foe use FH-->Tackle-->FH with a full party out on all of these moves.

A friend of mine has seen back to back Flowing Hellfire, with full party.

ExPorygon · « **Reply #729 on:** July 24, 2012, 03:09:03 AM »

Quote from: I have no name on July 24, 2012, 02:47:11 AM

I have seen Kaguya's Foe use FH-->Tackle-->FH with a full party out on all of these moves.

A friend of mine has seen back to back Flowing Hellfire, with full party.

How can this possibly happen? A glitch?

koakoa · « **Reply #730 on:** July 30, 2012, 11:53:18 AM »

Finally did some of my draft run over the previous week on stream and have reached a road block. I cannot get pass either the Great Stamp, FlanFlan, Kaguya, nor the 16f randoms (though Yukari shouldn't be an issue with my 12).

Despite numerous strategies, the only real way I see myself pressing on is grinding more, which is always the lamest option.

I have no name · « **Reply #731 on:** July 30, 2012, 04:35:42 PM »

What team do you have?

Totally not slacking on my draft run

koakoa · « **Reply #732 on:** July 30, 2012, 08:14:15 PM »

Marisa (62, popcorn eater/Sparker), Iku (63, 3.7k mnd/Iku things), Tenshi (62, 4.1k def/mnd, 1st slot tank), Remilia (58, 2nd slot tank and damager), Suwako (59, main nuke), Kanako (58, jack-of-all-trades/meatshield), Reisen (62, debuffer/almost useless sex bunny), Orin (62, popcorn eater/almost a nuke), Sakuya (63, off-nuke) Mokou (61, jack-of-all-trades/not as useless as Kanako), Rumia (67, pretty damn good for everything).

Sophilia · « **Reply #733 on:** July 31, 2012, 02:20:00 AM »

Stamp is the one that can be debuffed into oblivion, right? With Reisen doing that and Sakuya's speed up, you should be able to get a ton of turns per character to each of his. Then when his turn does come, Tenshi's high NTR and State of Enlightenment should allow her to survive. Remi might too, especially if she gets Reimu buff on top of Curse. Everyone else get out of there though, Earthquake hurts like hell.

For Flan, she's got all those composite attacks IIRC, so you want Tenshi on the field the whole fight turning them into zeroes. Other than that, I just Iku'd everyone and made it a damage race. You'll probably want a few more levels though.

I don't really remember anything special about Kaguya's Foe, but then again I brought in Yuugi with fire resist gear and just laughed at flowing hellfire. I don't know how well your tanks would serve in her place though.

I have no name · « **Reply #734 on:** July 31, 2012, 02:21:54 AM »

Remilia with roughly 200 FIR affinity (easily attainable with the LOVE Machine 3322) can tank flowing hellfire like a pro. For Flandre, Tenshi needs some affinity on top of her buff to survive Flan's best 2 attacks. Great Stamp I don't exactly remember how that fight goes.

koakoa · « **Reply #735 on:** July 31, 2012, 02:51:23 AM »

Great Stamp's the last of the four guardians of 14f/15f who has that very annoying Earthquake and insanely high attack.

Normally he is pretty easy, but I'm having a lot of trouble with this draft party.

Sakurei · « **Reply #736 on:** July 31, 2012, 07:02:39 PM »

easy as pie. for flandre: buff tenshi, ditch marisa because she's useless in that fight, use nitori instead and spam iku's buff on kanako, nitori and maybe orin. I think NTR was neutral against FLandre, so Suwako would probably work too. get the timing down so those cannons never get hit and you win. as long as you make sure tenshi has enough MYS and FIR resistance, she won't get hurt (too badly) but yes. you will want a few more levels (like...let's say 10 for eeveryone)

why do you have no healer anyway? I know rumia's got a healing spell, but it's fucking weak. It will never suffice in critical situations :v

kaguya's foe is...YEAH, IT'S THE SAME. Except that you can use marisa now. Buff tenshi, give her lotsa FIR affinity and buff your nukers. here a few more levels won't hurt, either.

great stamp is basically this: DEBUFF DEBUFF DEBUFF DEBUFF DEBUFF DEBUFF DEBUFF DEBUFF DEBUFF; NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE

yeah. not that difficult. be careful thatno nukers get hit by earthquake and you win, really. Tenshi has naturally high NTR resistance and can probably tank one, maybe two. If you keep the debuff steady at -50 for everything, you win.

and what you said about your team: Kanako is a fantastic character. If you do it right, she'll be one of the best in the team you have. If you aren't doing anything wrong with orin, she WILL be a nuker. Blazing wheel is an amazing, high damage attack. Buff her with iku and her damage doubles. at 50%, because composite attacks are like that. That's why laevantein is so fucking amazing when you have it. Flandre's offensive stats dwarf many others. especially ATK, which is the best is the whole game. So yeah. Orin is fucking amazing as far as I am concerned. Mokou is awesome for floor sweeping. But I never found much use for her in boss fights, but that may just be me.
Reisen isn't useless at all. she can dish out fucking serious damage later on. if you spam grand elixir, which has a pathetic gauge thingy, then she can do a lot of damage on par with nukers like Suwako. Because her attacks don't use up all the fucking gauge bar.
Rumia's awesome, yeah.
Why the fuck are you even using Sakuya? Aya's doing a much better job, especially as the game progresses. Leaving aside that I would never build a team like that, you're really missing a serious healer.

And one last thing: why are there only 11 characters listed when you can have 12?

I have no name · « **Reply #737 on:** July 31, 2012, 07:35:10 PM »

It's a draft team run, so you're limited to only the 12 characters you drafted for the entire game :V

Also, the 12th character is Reimu, which everyone had.

Last night on stream I know at least Kaguya's Foe fell, I stopped watching after that (sup Withhelde/koakoa, didn't realize that was you at first :V)

koakoa · « **Reply #738 on:** August 01, 2012, 12:13:09 AM »

I also got Great Stamp down with some really lucky Par tactics and it coming down to the last people (as per usual).

I have no name · « **Reply #739 on:** August 01, 2012, 12:15:51 AM »

Elmo's Fire and 3 Pressures down. Yuyuko DTH'd 2 pressures. The fight took just over 2 minutes, Reimu was level 23. Next boss is Tam's Foe, after 1 and a half floors of exploration.

koakoa · « **Reply #740 on:** August 01, 2012, 12:23:16 AM »

Tam really shouldn't be an issue with your group; though Nitori/Suwako may make it so.

ExPorygon · « **Reply #741 on:** August 03, 2012, 07:25:11 PM »

Finally progressing on my draft run: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-bCAprYX_g

Cirno went perfectly, even better than Chen. Youmu should be fun.

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #742 on:** August 04, 2012, 09:47:08 PM »

15F gives little to no exp, 16F rapes me, Yukari One-Shots my Meiling and Great Stamp one-shots everything but Tenshi unless he decides to bring out Rasetsu Fist which he does a lot, I'm not even gonna try Flandre.

This gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.

Reimu Level 67, something tells me I need to grind, but...

Well, WHERE? Do I really have to stick to 15F? D:

koakoa · « **Reply #743 on:** August 04, 2012, 11:28:39 PM »

I am pretty much where you are in my draft run (levels and position wise).

The easiest thing would be to go down to 13F and level a bit (Orin can oneshot everything with Blazing Wheel and likely go before everyone else). Great stamp give me a lot of trouble (I pretty much had to resort to PAR lock, which only have a 28% chance of working), but as long as you debuff him (do not debuff his speed else he'll do his ultra-attack) and high a high HP character in front (China should work), then you should be able to get him.

Pesco · « **Reply #744 on:** August 05, 2012, 07:44:17 AM »

13F is a fine place to farm for Blue Sabers. Once you outspeed the swordfish, it's not too dangerous.

ShiroiMahotsukai · « **Reply #745 on:** August 05, 2012, 05:46:42 PM »

Hi, I started playing this game last week. I'm on floor twelve in the middle of that irritating switch puzzle. My levels range from 38 (Remi) to 45 (Chen) Reimu is 44. I beat Nitori after some work and a few tries, I haven't gotten Suwako or Sanae yet, can I beat them? And then can I beat Tenshi after? Or do I have to level more first?

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #746 on:** August 05, 2012, 06:18:50 PM »

Thanks for the tip, 13F grinding ended up being the correct answer, quick, easy, and good EXP, leveled people up until I felt more comfortable, then I beat Yuyuko and Orin (Whom I had forgotten to kill), Great Stamp (Though it was a pretty hard battle) Kaguya's Foe (Whom decided to shenanigan me and back-to-back Flowing Hellfire, even though I had a full party) and finally, just now, Yukari.

Yukari went down after three tries, I took her first form as a means to buff everyone and debuff her, unfortunately, Reisen died pretty quickly, but after a lot of ATK Buffs from Ran and DEF Debuffs from both Orin and Iku, I sent in my heaviest nukers out to get her: Suwako and Nitori.

...Did they just deal 220k damage in a single turn? :getdown:

I was tempted to bring in Kaguya just for a second shot of Croaking Frog, which was dealing upwards to 150k damage, maaaaaaaan.

On the beggining of the fight, she got trigger-happy with Quadruple Border, but it was pretty easy after that, aside from when she decided to one-shot Mokou with Objective Border, not allowing me to further debuff her MAG.

Overall, a smooth battle, it was pretty easy, after all of the leveling, thanks guys.

Now, onto the teleporting madness of floor 17 and Rinnosuke on Floor 18, I've never been so close to the ending before :getdown:

(Reimu Level 75, btw.)

@EDIT

Got flan and did every single fight I can do at this point besides Rinnosuke, Reimu level 78, Wiki recommends 90+ for Rinnosuke.

I'm still grinding on floor 13, but the results are starting to slow down... I still can't reliably kill stuff on 16F and 17F/18F stink.

Help? :ohdear:

Pesco · « **Reply #747 on:** August 06, 2012, 06:02:53 AM »

Rough it out on 18F. 17F has nothing that you can't just get elsewhere in terms of drops. The exp returns on 18F are just better at that stage.

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #748 on:** August 07, 2012, 04:00:19 AM »

Just beat Rinnosuke, I got tired of grinding after I reached level 90 after mapping out the entire Level 18F, not even gonna map out 17F, after I finally reached level 90, Rinnosuke was still raping me, so I cheat engined my way to level 94.

That's when I beat him.

The fight started out as smoothly as possible, though TP became a huge problem halfway through, in the end I was stuck with pretty much a TP-Less team, it was a major pain in the ass to plow through his forms (Especially because he kept form destroying into the Fire Form, something I was using to "relief" my party, which ended up being half the reason of why I had TP problems).

Once he finally entered the final form, I had only Flan, Youmu, Nitori and Ran left, considering Ran still had enough SP for one more buff, and the rest were all nukers, I just went all out, Flan fell, but he finally died.

Now, onto floor 19F, the Great-Labyrinth-With-An-Equally-Great-Name, and, finally, the Final Floor.

I'm so close.

(Any tips with dealing with mobs on 19F?)

ShiroiMahotsukai · « **Reply #749 on:** August 07, 2012, 06:12:58 PM »

Which is more valuable, level bonuses or skill points? I mean which should i use for a characters main stat or does it not matter? and if I use two stats can I use one for each? Like Tenshi's defence and mind.