Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F (Read 264814 times)

Parallaxal · « **Reply #750 on:** August 08, 2012, 12:37:41 AM »

Spend skill points roughly evenly, with some extra emphasis on the character's stat. By "spend evenly", I mean spend until it costs about the same amount of skill points to raise each stat up to the next level.

With level up points, you should only be spending it on your main stat(s). That's the most efficient way of spending level points. One way you can think of it is that a level up point represents an amount of skill points equivalent to 2/3 of what it costs to reach the next skill level for that particular stat. Say it costs you 3000 skill points to get the next skill level in ATK, but only 2100 skill points to reach the next level for DEF. If you spend your level up bonus on ATK, it's like you just earned 2000 skill points. But if you spent your level up bonus on DEF, then you only earned the equivalent of 1400 skill points.

Serela · « **Reply #751 on:** August 08, 2012, 03:30:23 AM »

Over time, the stat you spend levelup boosts in will REALLY show major difference in comparison to having, uh, not spent them. It adds up greatly, and the cost of trying to make up for it with skill points instead is way too massive to even consider.

So you pretty much want to throw all the levelup bonuses into that one most important stat, basically. Offensive for any character you attack with and defensive on anyone meant for support.

Tenshi can go for MND/DEF both equally on levelups and be fine though. Defensive characters generally want their levelups more or all in one or the other though, due to their use/stat layout.

And then skill points go in everything yeah. Some stats are just plain not very important for some characters though. You'll have to use your own judgment. EVA is broken and a useless stat, and non-offensive characters don't need ATK/MAG much (other then ones who need them for healing), and characters who almost purely only see battle to nuke and get switched out don't need defensive stats as badly, etc.

ShiroiMahotsukai · « **Reply #752 on:** August 08, 2012, 08:29:36 AM »

Thank you, the amount of points it takes to level up in some stats is amazing, one can be level 50 and another only 20 and it costs the same points. But I digress, what level should I be to recruit Sanae? The wiki doesn't have a reccomendation and I keep getting wiped out.

SirChaotick · « **Reply #753 on:** August 08, 2012, 01:06:34 PM »

I'm about to play this game, quite excited

Quote from: ShiroiMahotsukai on August 08, 2012, 08:29:36 AM

Thank you, the amount of points it takes to level up in some stats is amazing, one can be level 50 and another only 20 and it costs the same points. But I digress, what level should I be to recruit Sanae? The wiki doesn't have a reccomendation and I keep getting wiped out.

The wiki does have a recommendation: supposedly you'd better be level 60 or higher. I have no idea what that means though.

EDIT: I'm playing the game right now and I think it's quite nice.

Drawback: the escape button is pause in most Touhou games, but in this one it means quit without autosave.
Four consecutive times now have I erased my progress while straddling about the first floor, and I still don't know where that crying sound's coming from. It's getting annoying.

I have no name · « **Reply #754 on:** August 08, 2012, 02:55:51 PM »

Quote from: SirChaotick on August 08, 2012, 01:06:34 PM

The wiki does have a recommendation: supposedly you'd better be level 60 or higher. I have no idea what that means though.

Reimu's level should be that, the wiki level recommendations are good for a first runthrough but ultimately way too high. I beat Alice at level 17 when the wiki recommends 18-22.

SirChaotick · « **Reply #755 on:** August 08, 2012, 04:12:28 PM »

Aaaand I got my butt handed to me by Meiling. This does not bode very well.

On the other hand, I didn't even try to return to the surface first, so I think after leveling up I should get her alright.

Yay for being a noob, there's so much to discover.

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #756 on:** August 08, 2012, 04:20:57 PM »

Quote from: SirChaotick on August 08, 2012, 04:12:28 PM

Aaaand I got my butt handed to me by Meiling. This does not bode very well.

On the other hand, I didn't even try to return to the surface first, so I think after leveling up I should get her alright.

Yay for being a noob, there's so much to discover.

Unless if you've already seen all the crying events, I suggest looping around them, you'll find a one-way path, if you see the second crying event, beat Meiling, THEN see the first Crying event, you unlock an optional boss battle.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter, but it helps.

@My progress

So I got lazy on leveling up on 19F and just Millitary Ruled + Spirited Away + Hourai Barrage + Starbow Break/Laveatainn'd my way through the minibosses of 20F, and I got like 20 levels in no time.

Even then Cosmic was a PAIN IN THE ASS to beat. WHY DO YOU HAVE TO OPEN UP THE FIGHT WITH ETHER FLARE AND DESTROY HALF MY PARTY? WHY.

Aside from that... It was fairly easy to map out the entire 19F, just boring as fuck. Now, my way to the Final Boss is open. I'll try her today after some more leveling. Also, I managed to drop a Scourge and an Armads :3

(Flandre with 15k atk is OP.)

EthanSilver · « **Reply #757 on:** August 08, 2012, 05:15:43 PM »

Quote from: SirChaotick on August 08, 2012, 01:06:34 PM

Drawback: the escape button is pause in most Touhou games, but in this one it means quit without autosave.

Oh god. I just need to comment on this. This is the most annoying thing ever - many games do this. No confirmation, nothing - the game vanishes the instant you hit escape.

I remember spending almost 3 days trying to beat the Eientei trio on F14-ish. The fact you have to go through a maze of teleporters to get to them from the nearest dungeon entrance doesn't help. After a gruelling battle that left only 2 of my 12 characters standing, I finally won, paused the game to go grab myself something to drink (mini-victory-celebration FTW!) and... come back to my desktop.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- @_@

SirChaotick · « **Reply #758 on:** August 08, 2012, 05:17:24 PM »

Quote from: Motomiya Sacchi on August 08, 2012, 04:20:57 PM

Unless if you've already seen all the crying events, I suggest looping around them, you'll find a one-way path, if you see the second crying event, beat Meiling, THEN see the first Crying event, you unlock an optional boss battle.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter, but it helps.

Thanks. I just got eradicated by Meiling again so I'll be sure to do that now.
Is there anything else that is easy to miss and causes stuff to be permanently locked away?

I have no name · « **Reply #759 on:** August 08, 2012, 05:21:09 PM »

Quote from: SirChaotick on August 08, 2012, 05:17:24 PM

Thanks. I just got eradicated by Meiling again so I'll be sure to do that now.
Is there anything else that is easy to miss and causes stuff to be permanently locked away?

Nope. That's the only missable event in the entire game, short of dialogue saying what you need to do due to meeting a condition before arriving. It's nothing special, just a boss fight that gives 0 EXP and a guaranteed SPI +128 drop.

SirChaotick · « **Reply #760 on:** August 08, 2012, 06:02:24 PM »

Quote from: I have no name on August 08, 2012, 05:21:09 PM

Nope. That's the only missable event in the entire game, short of dialogue saying what you need to do due to meeting a condition before arriving. It's nothing special, just a boss fight that gives 0 EXP and a guaranteed SPI +128 drop.

Nothing special? NOTHING SPECIAL?!

EVERYTHING IS SPECIAL! I MUST see ALL the secrets! ALL OF THEM-I'm sorry, where was I? :blush:

Oh right, Meiling's beaten. Just a bazillion floors, bosses and secrets to go I guess.

ShiroiMahotsukai · « **Reply #761 on:** August 08, 2012, 07:09:28 PM »

I got that boss fight without realising what I was doing and Game Over'd.

Cue starting again saving after Meiling and grinding to kill that thing, then checking online, learning it's a bonus boss and blitzing the next two floors due to overleveling.

SirChaotick · « **Reply #762 on:** August 09, 2012, 06:18:36 AM »

I'm having so much fun with all these stats and calculations and everything.

Battered Chen into submission, she was a lot easier that Meiling really.

Now prancing around on floor 2. The enemies in there are kind of creepy.

Patchouli♂go · « **Reply #763 on:** August 11, 2012, 02:02:54 PM »

i don't know what it is```i'm a new guys :V

SirChaotick · « **Reply #764 on:** August 11, 2012, 02:08:33 PM »

Quote from: Patchouli♂go on August 11, 2012, 02:02:54 PM

i don't know what it is```i'm a new guys :V

It's a dungeon crawler game, but with Touhou characters instead. That's pretty much the gist of it.

SirChaotick · « **Reply #765 on:** August 18, 2012, 04:53:18 AM »

So, I managed to batter up Cirno. It was a little close at level 10 but it was pretty straightforward.
Also figured out how to rescue Minoriko, she's pretty good.

Now there's Youmu... what level should I be to beat her up? The wiki says at least level 18, but I'm surmising that's too much seeing how Cirno is marked as at least 15. Currently Reimu's 11, Chen's 12 and most of the others are 10 with maybe two at eleven.

I have no name · « **Reply #766 on:** August 18, 2012, 05:00:38 AM »

Youmu is beatable at that level, I'd suggest going in and giving it a try and if you get slaughtered then level up again.

SirChaotick · « **Reply #767 on:** August 18, 2012, 05:51:04 AM »

Beatable? O.O

...CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

Still, I am supposed to take out the ghost half first, right? A large part of the problem is how it poisons everyone before I can finish it off, and that pretty much spells doom for most of my party.

Sophilia · « **Reply #768 on:** August 18, 2012, 05:56:29 AM »

I personally killed the main body first since it has the stronger attacks. If you're having trouble with the poison, remember, Meiling can cure it with her healing spell.

SirChaotick · « **Reply #769 on:** August 18, 2012, 06:01:52 AM »

Quote from: Sophilia on August 18, 2012, 05:56:29 AM

I personally killed the main body first since it has the stronger attacks. If you're having trouble with the poison, remember, Meiling can cure it with her healing spell.

I know, but the poison deals so much damage that my first target is already at around 150 HP by the time she gets to cure anyone, and by the next turn they're at 1 HP - not really worth curing anymore.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #770 on:** August 18, 2012, 07:31:59 AM »

Taking out the ghost half means the mainbody goes into overdrive, so I would try to whittle the mainbody down to a decent point, then take them out at the same time.
That's how I finally managed it in my time playing.

Raikaria · « **Reply #771 on:** August 18, 2012, 08:15:52 AM »

Proccing slows on them with Cirno is also a good way to lessen the pain.

But yeah, you *really* want to take out Youmu first. While the Ghost Half also goes into an overdrive, it's nothing like Youmu's.

Youmu gets to use her strongest attack at will, with no Focus beforehand, unlike when the Ghost Half is alive, nothing like Multiple Karma Slashes with whatever one it is.

SirChaotick · « **Reply #772 on:** August 18, 2012, 11:08:02 AM »

Man, paralysis is a bitch to proc. Two Diamond Blizzards and an Evil Sealing Circle with zero procs between Youmu and her ghost half? Blech.

I'll just have to keep trying and hope the RNG doesn't screw me over.

Ozzy · « **Reply #773 on:** August 18, 2012, 06:17:06 PM »

Quote from: Raikaria on August 18, 2012, 08:15:52 AM

Proccing slows on them with Cirno is also a good way to lessen the pain.

But yeah, you *really* want to take out Youmu first. While the Ghost Half also goes into an overdrive, it's nothing like Youmu's.

Youmu gets to use her strongest attack at will, with no Focus beforehand, unlike when the Ghost Half is alive, nothing like Multiple Karma Slashes with whatever one it is.

There is one downside to taking out Youmu first. Youmu has a lot more HP, meaning that the Ghost Half has more opportunity to buff Youmu. I can't remember how effective that buff is and I know that the chance of it using it each turn is rather low. However, since Youmu will take a lot more time to defeat, the Ghost Half will have ample opportunity to cast it.

SirChaotick · « **Reply #774 on:** August 18, 2012, 07:57:34 PM »

So I tried it again.

I accidentally killed off the Ghost Half first.

...somehow, I won. Heh. I guess that's pretty good with Reimu at 11.
Now going to explore F3, no idea what's coming. Judging from the darkness events, Rumia or Mystia could be there...

I have no name · « **Reply #775 on:** August 18, 2012, 08:02:59 PM »

Quote from: SirChaotick on August 18, 2012, 07:57:34 PM

Now going to explore F3, no idea what's coming. Judging from the darkness events, Rumia or Mystia could be there...

It's Rumia, she's an optional boss that if you fight her as soon as you're able you WILL die.
Mystia shows up muuuuuuch later (after the final boss in the Plus Disc...on 1F)

Serela · « **Reply #776 on:** August 19, 2012, 01:06:49 AM »

Eh, Rumia isn't -that- bad. It's more like, if you fight her in the middle of exploration by walking into her on accident so you're totally unprepared, you're likely to die. It'd be bad if you beelined for her (whether on purpose or on accident) too. But she's not really a boss you should need to wait to need to fight, at least not for long; it's not uncommon to get beaten by her while completely prepared, but if you do, after gaining a couple levels exploring she's probably fine.

I have no name · « **Reply #777 on:** August 19, 2012, 01:10:03 AM »

Quote from: Serela on August 19, 2012, 01:06:49 AM

Eh, Rumia isn't -that- bad.

Spoiler:

Quote from: SirChaotick on August 19, 2012, 05:20:42 PM

Walking around on 3F now. Immediately walked into Alice, and an event here suggested I'll run into Yuugi on this floor or some other.

Spoiler:

SirChaotick · « **Reply #778 on:** August 19, 2012, 05:20:42 PM »

Walking around on 3F now. Immediately walked into Alice, and an event here suggested I'll run into Yuugi on this floor or some other.j

There sure are a lot of dead-end corridors in here.

Pesco · « **Reply #779 on:** August 19, 2012, 05:26:07 PM »

I think for your sake everyone should refrain from spoiling for the time being.