Author Topic: Vanilla Mafia II (Game over, town wins!)  (Read 106164 times)

Serela

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #480 on: October 11, 2011, 08:20:27 PM »
"Yeah, that Bardiche thing was just voting for the sake of voting. I never wanted him dead." Uhhh, is nobody else seeing that?
Noooo more like I didn't want him dead at the time of the previous post. I obviously didn't like him when I voted him.

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I like PX, post more before I decide if I want to vote you or not.
I could see where his cases come from and I thought they were nice. He was still bad due to great lacks of many things, so I figured I'd give him a chance to come back and make up for his lacking, because then he still could have been fine to me.

But he didn't.

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I would seriously like to know how you came to this conclusion of Hero, as you haven't so much as put an opinion of him before that post all game, and now he's randomly a top scum suspect?
I suppose this is true... I haven't really communicated how I've felt about hero. It's been sort of hard for me to read his posts and get feelings out of them. My opinion of him was sort of "askjdfjasdfl how" as in "HOW TO GET A READ ON THIS PERSON", but then he comes up and makes a horribad case on Huhwhat that's just terrible, so suddenly he goes from being effectively neutral to being pretty bad.

That also sums up my case on Hero! Yay getting asked questions.

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Serela thought PX was town,
wut

like, uh, what

When did I -ever- say this? I didn't. Just gonna throw that out there. Just because I could see his cases and somewhat liked them does -not- mean I thought he was town. Scum can also make nice cases on people, because scum are not the only people who it's possible to make a good case on.

Oh and PX is actually making words now. This makes him... less bad. But his D1 is still horrible. But I think I'll go ahead and
##Unvote ##Vote Hero

Shadoweh is rage-moe. It's especially cute how in post 455 the "I FIXED IT" is inside the quotebox which seems like a mistake (Although maybe it's not). As for her alignment, I'm honestly not sure where I stand, but I definitely see where people are coming from on the Shadoweh-scum front. I'd like to come back to this after we have more relevant flips to back things up. Seeing as she may be a contender for today's lynch though, I better come back to this sooner then that, which makes me go "DARN" but it is what it is, so

Pesco's felt weird to me the whole game but it's Pesco so I went "Well I guess he's supposed to be weird, it's Pesco." I'll reread him later, but the emerging Pesco wagon isn't worrying me at the moment.

Hey, anyone else notice how Hero's posts today seem INCREDIBLY EMPTY? Iunno if it's just me, but it really doesn't feel like there's much in these other then his case on huhwhat! Other then his stuff against Huhwhat, all he's done is jot down a few words to answer Omba, and make tiny comments to people.

Hero's case on huhwhat also pretty much still just consists of huhwhat hammering Dan at the last minute of the day so that we didn't get a randomlynch by Keine. I sort of thought he might say something to improve or defend his case against Huhwhat, but he hasn't. Do you REALLY think huhwhat is scum just for preferring to lynch someone a majority chose over a randomlynch?
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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #481 on: October 11, 2011, 08:46:15 PM »
Dormio (0):
huh what (2): Omba, Hero999
BT (0):
Bardiche (0):
Omba (0):
Pesco (2): Shadoweh, huh what
Serela (1): PX
PX (1): JOB
Hero999 (2): BT, Serela
JOB (0):
Shadoweh (3): Bardiche, Dormio, Pesco

Not Voting: 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.  D2 ends in ~29 hours (watch countdown).
My favorite mythical creature? The honest politician.
A life cool.. where can I download one of those?
Hurray for apathy!

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #482 on: October 11, 2011, 08:51:32 PM »
huhwhat hammering Dan at the last minute of the day so that we didn't get a randomlynch by Keine.
And do people suddenly forget there were TWO people at L-1 before deadline?

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #483 on: October 11, 2011, 08:52:45 PM »
...And you DO realize that SOMEONE had to switch wagons to get a hammer because SOMEONE didn't vote.

Also, JOB, just restate your case on me. Seriously, make another one.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #484 on: October 11, 2011, 08:55:36 PM »
And do people suddenly forget there were TWO people at L-1 before deadline?
Huhwhat was already on one of them. He can't just revote the same guy to hammer him, and no one else was going to switch to PX, as evidenced by... no one else voicing that they would or doing so by the time there was like 2~3 minutes left in the day.

So having a case based entirely on Huhwhat making sure we at least got a majority-chosen lynch over a randomlynch is still horribad.

oh ninja'd by px basically saying it
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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #485 on: October 11, 2011, 09:07:57 PM »
@Serela: In post number 79
Your words say mind wanted, but then right after you say gut wanted you to look at. So is it your mind or gut at work here?

Post number 174 in where you talk about everyone but don't really explain anything about any of them. Leaving it all to "I don't understand so I'm making a useless post" In where you stated yourself was useless. The only things I got from that post was that you needed to keep appearances and are willing to lynch 4 people even when earlier in the post you stated you don't understand anything.

Post number 249
Where you state you didn't want Bard lynched at all and yet kept your vote on him throughout D1. You also pretty much said you didn't unvote because you thought it would make you look bad.
Posts some noise about how hes called useless and such, and that a phrase sounded nice.
Then he states that schezo/huh what town, his kneejerk reaction was to vote pesco, but held back on it for whatever reason.

Post number 409
Here he says he doesn't like huhwhat cases, stated a view of Omba's statement and did not ask for clarification if it was the meaning Omba meant to state or not. Which shows he does not exactly care what the meaning was.

Post number 480
To clarify on your last statement, I believe that if your going to be voting for someone you believe to town, then having a random lynch is more preferable to lynching someone you believe to be town especially if the one who is targeting the townie is your scum suspect.

Cut by stuff.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #486 on: October 11, 2011, 09:12:16 PM »
Oh dear me, How did I forget,
##Unvote
##Vote Serela

Serela

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #487 on: October 11, 2011, 09:20:59 PM »
@Serela: In post number 79
Your words say mind wanted, but then right after you say gut wanted you to look at. So is it your mind or gut at work here?
I'm not super sure why this matters. But as can be seen I was referring to a gut part of my mind and a logic part of my mind. So gut=mind.

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his kneejerk reaction was to vote pesco, but held back on it for whatever reason.
because kneejerk reactions aren't a case and they aren't something to be relied on if you can't find stuff to back it up (at which point it wouldn't be a kneejerk reaction anymore)

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Here he says he doesn't like huhwhat cases, stated a view of Omba's statement and did not ask for clarification if it was the meaning Omba meant to state or not. Which shows he does not exactly care what the meaning was.
I said "Sorry if I'm misinterpreting" which means I wasn't 100% sure if it was the meaning or not. It's pretty assumed that if it's not, I would be corrected. Even if I didn't include that bit I'm pretty sure someone would correct me if I completely got what they meant wrong.

hooray at the end you actually defended your case a little. I still think it's a bad case though. But at least it makes sense now.
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Serela

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #488 on: October 11, 2011, 09:31:11 PM »
also I'm assuming you find me scummier then huhwhat, now?
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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #489 on: October 11, 2011, 09:48:32 PM »
I fixed my shift key. I'm much calmer now that I've had 10 hours to think about how scummy Pesco is being.

Shadoweh, calm the fuck down and then please answer: why would a Town!PX offer to suicide hammer self? If I were Town
Stop right there. You're not asking why I would expect YOU to self-hammer. The question was why would a Town!PX offer to hammer or just hammer himself without telling us. Don't act as if this is something he's never done before. Why don't you actually read my post and determine if it changes your mind instead of repeating what other people have said about 'oh noe AtE'? The trolling isn't about PX. It's because I said both Dan and Schezo were town in one of the sentences you quoted, and they both died.

I'm lynching you for active lurking and not scumhunting. These are things that I've reasoned out and determined you are scum for, thus I vote you to get lynched. If you aren't scum, then I hope you will post competently in future games.
As for you. You are not wiggling your way out of this. I'm not scum. You KNOW I'm not scum. You're not trying to lynch me for being scum. You're trying to lynch me to teach me a lesson. Because you hate reading my posts. Because my posting style is wrong.  Because Shadoweh is a bad player. Because Shadoweh ruins everything. I've never laughed a single time you've said that because I think you meant it every time. You're already composing your 'oh well Shadoweh flipped town' notes in your posts, how is no one seeing how scummy this is? You're being a far worse player then I am at this moment, Pesco.

You called me out for making a prod vote that'll just get moved at the end of the day, when your voting history is trying to start wagons and abandoning them when no one bites to jump onto an ongoing wagon. You're calling me out for active lurking when you make posts consisting of quotes from someone else and a single vote as your contribution. You're not actually calling me out for anything I'm doing either. You just add a 'Shadoweh is terrible' addendum to every time I post.

So there are three choices here for me. 1) Pesco is a terrible player and actually can't tell I'm town. 2) Pesco just wants to lynch everyone he doesn't like so he can enjoy his mafia game, regardless of alignment. 3) Pesco is scum.
One is out because you're not a bad player. Two is a chillingly large possibility considering your attitude so far. But I'm going to have faith in you as a human being and say you're just going to flip scum,

I'm sure someone else posted some scummy stuff. I don't care right now. Hero just did the worst OMGuS vote on Serela though. Willing to lynch him just based on complete abandonment of his previous vote. That's not Sid behaviour.


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Serela

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #490 on: October 11, 2011, 09:53:25 PM »
I wanted to call it an OMGUS but I'm not 100% positive what counts as one and I went :effort: about checking the wiki, partially because I didn't know if it'd actually help.

Yeah, I did think it was pretty damn strange, though. Hooray! Well, hooray if Hero is scum. Which I think he is.
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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #491 on: October 11, 2011, 10:18:16 PM »
I don't know the alignment of anyone except for myself. You do scummy things, I call them out and then vote you. You're not even addressing the points I've raised against you. How is telling me that I'm the same as you a valid defense? It's especially bad when you misrep my actions. I start the wagons AND argue my bit about them. If nobody is going to pay the slightest attention, then I'm wasting my time if I continue. My shifts in voting are not lolbandwagon hops. I've telegraphed my stances on the people that I considered worth a move onto. My willingness to vote Dan was shown when I told BT that I considered Dan a viable lynch. I placed you as my secondary suspect for the day when I called you out on my second post of the day.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #492 on: October 11, 2011, 10:40:25 PM »
We're into the later half of the second day and you have 0 reads on anyone? That's even more unbelievable for you. Why do you care if anyone else is paying attention to who you think is scum? Does the lack of outside attention make the person less scummy to you somehow? I don't think it does, or should. You vote for who you think is scum. Yes, you start the wagons, argue your bit, then leave them for more acceptable pastures. You're catering to people. The stances you've telegraphed have been on people obviously taking flack during the day.


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Shadoweh

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #493 on: October 11, 2011, 11:31:25 PM »
Things at a glance:

PX. I think all but your post on Serela has been you telling JOB over and over to repost/unpost/undo his case, which is completely irrelevant to you actually having done anything today. Comments, questions, ideas that you actually care about what's going on at all?

Bardiche. It is defensible. That's the point I made in return. Your accusation made no sense and was refuted, like any other argument. More importantly, with your note on PX eing policy you currently have no scumspects other then me. Take a few more minutes while you're reading Pesco and see if anyone else comes up as scum to you. By my estimation there should be two more numbers. I think you're voting for the sake of consistency at this point. Everyone is not scum. There's barely a scum presence in this thread.

Hero. Where the heck did your suspicion on huh what go?

Dormio. Cute, taking another post to translate your content, effectively telling us nothing new and making you look more contentful. Your suspects after Shadoweh look random and convenient to suspect Pesco after I would be theoretically lynched.


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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #494 on: October 12, 2011, 12:41:59 AM »
Shadoweh: a) Shadoweh has suffered permanent brain damage from too much alcohol or b) Shadoweh is scum
I have faith in your body, so I'll go with b).

##Unvote
##Vote Shadoweh


No, seriously. What the hell is it you're trying to pull here. Nevermind that if Pesco wanted to lynch someone for playing badly, there'd be a lot of worse and easier to lynch ones in line before you.
This post here is especially telling. You pick some part of Pesco's case on you that looks like you can use it to throw his own words back at him; incidentally the ones he's been bugging you with since like the start of the game. Fuck. You're pretty good at words, you even had me half-convinced with that post of yours and forced me to spend hours to think about this shit. Perfect example of why AtE should not be used if you're town. Nice try clouding people's judgement there.
Re-reading you also tells me that the only thing this game that really got your fire going is Pesco trying to lynch you. Not liking that this coincides with you starting this Day off with naming Pesco as the one the NK implicates the most (no, you didn't say it like that, but worded it in such a way as to suggest it).
Actually, the more I read and compare your posts, the more I get the impression you've been adjusting your level of play to somewhat match that of the lot of new/bad players in this game. Until the Pesco case, that is.
I know how you played in MHM. No way in hell are you telling me this is townShadoweh in a game with no power roles.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #495 on: October 12, 2011, 01:18:20 AM »
Like?

No, really I'm waiting for an example. There isn't anyone else that's attracted this much attention. I've seen this situation before in games. You're all lashing out at something unfamiliar and scary, as if being openly abnormal is a scum trait.

What are you trying to pull here? Damn straight you should think about this shit because that's what's happening here and if you're going to take the reins of the city you should try to steer it from crashing and burning. You of all the people here today should be wondering why the scum team feels free to let you live instead of removing the closest thing to a confirmed town this game has so far.

You are correct about the fire. There's a pleasing moment of clarity when what your gut is telling you becomes clear. I plainly said the NK implicates Pesco the most. I've plainly said I'm displeased at being pushed for being bad.. and you're adding it to your own case. Looking back here, you got onto the Dan wagon by following Pesco as well. The way you've slowly changed your opinion of me from town to confirmed idiot scum as the day wanes on and more opinions come forward is something I hope more people look at tomorrow.

Because today if you kill me I will only become more confirmed then you can imagine.


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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #496 on: October 12, 2011, 01:20:49 AM »
I'm here but currently feel too mentally dead to post anything. If Shadoweh really is town then I fully expect her to post a motivating spiel that fixes all my problems forever. This is a serious request.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #497 on: October 12, 2011, 02:08:04 AM »
If you really are town, huh what, then who else do you think is going to fix the problems in this town? Unless you die tonight. Then we can have a graveyard party! I've realized for scumteam issues I put Omba in the wrong category, he's never been scum before, he would be the weaker half, not stronger. You haven't looked into some of the basic hunting techniques you use, I don't think you've even glanced twice at the wagons from yesterday. I think I shall quote some here so they're easier to find.


Quote from: Magical Lynch Schezo-chan
Schezo (5): Pesco, huh what, PX, Omba, BT
Quote from: End of D1
ActionDan (7): Hero999, Dormio, Pesco, PX, Omba, Shadoweh, huh what
PX (5):  JOB, Bardiche, Serela, ActionDan, Schezo
Not Voting: BT
Quote from: It's Tuesday, let's lynch Shadoweh
Shadoweh (4): Bardiche, Dormio, Pesco, Omba

You'll have to add my full one manually at the end. I won't be around to quote it fully. :V I'm pretty sure wagon analysis says one of Omba or Pesco are scum. The entire PX wagon is probably town. Here's some more stuff you guys can lynch me for, by the way. I switched for better evidence. Both the pro-town people drowning in townie cred today were driving that wagon like it was a chariot of fire. I wanted to see if they were telling the truth. The lack of analyzing anything about what happened yesterday beyond lolShadoweh just increases the suspicion that some scummy people were doing some scummy things over here. Please don't forget that day was a thing that happened, and actually read back over the townies, lynched or killed. The dead are trying so hard to scream their lungs out at you.


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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #498 on: October 12, 2011, 02:13:50 AM »
Going to cut the inevitable "OMG SHADOWEH OBVSCUM...." posts by saying that I'm reading ~switching for information~ as a townie move because I was honestly really tempted to do the same thing so people would shut up about town!Dan being scum (only innate townie morality prevents me from doing things that are arguably kinda fucking stupid (no offense)). Though as it happened I ended up being on his wagon anyway. <___<

But yeah, post is being worked on.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #499 on: October 12, 2011, 02:14:24 AM »
Fuck it.

##Unvote
##Vote Pesco


Complete reversal of my read, will probably get me lynched regardless of which of you two gets lynched today and what his flip is, or possibly even before either of you two.
But one of you two is scum and one scum is worth ~6 townies in this game so fuck if I die for it.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #500 on: October 12, 2011, 02:16:11 AM »
More like 5 but w/e numbers.

Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #501 on: October 12, 2011, 02:17:22 AM »
That wasn't supposed to happen before I even posted my case. :ohdear:

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #502 on: October 12, 2011, 02:27:54 AM »
I'm trying to be a martyr here damnit how am I suposed to die if you don't kill me. ;-;
I don't understand where your reasoning comes from. :s


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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #503 on: October 12, 2011, 02:32:51 AM »
Why would you want to be a martyr?
Lynching scum D2 > mislynching town D2 then lynching scum D3

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D1)
« Reply #504 on: October 12, 2011, 02:35:07 AM »
Looks like you don't care who gets lynched when you do stuff like this. Everyone who's attacked you is scum and everyone who doesn't is town. Way to be pro-town right there ::)
This would make more sense if Dan didn't peg me as town. Since I was, like, voting him and had already attacked him earlier in the game.
Also if that wasn't Dan switching to support the one of the other two wagons that gained traction. Lynching someone else instead of yourself at the end of day is not a scum trait since as town you're the only one you know to be town; everyone else has at least a chance of flipping scum, no matter what you currently think of them.

That's the one thing about Pesco that bugged me yesterday, but I ignored it.

Shadoweh: Mine? Or huh what's?

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #505 on: October 12, 2011, 02:40:43 AM »
Shadoweh: If mine, then that's obviously because I didn't say anything about my reason for switching to Pesco. Also obviously, that thing I posted just now is not the reasoning for the switch.

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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #506 on: October 12, 2011, 02:49:46 AM »
Huh what: I'm only being slightly fascitious. It's awkward when you start writing up a will and find out you might not actually be dying.
Omba: I mean the comment about one of us having to be scum, or that you would get lynched for either flip. It's still possible for both of us to be town trying to kill each other. It just seems nervous. You're more likely to die at night then ever get lynched.


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Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #507 on: October 12, 2011, 03:05:50 AM »
Right, Gonna Get This Post Out Here* before the Hero one because Pesco is actually the lynch for today. Hero is scummy as all hell too and they both need to fry but I feel that Pesco has a lower chance of just being a really awful townie.

Why Pesco and Hero are scum and we should lynch them to win the game Vol 1.: Pesco

D1: The way he switched from the Schezo wagon to the Dan wagon is suspicious given the flips. #179 seems like a lack of caring about which of the two actually get lynched combined with a desire to stick around on the Schezo wagon if possible. This fits scum's agenda because they don't care about which townies get lynched and end up producing less votes to be analyzed if they stick to their guns all day, respectively. I'm interpreting #95 as an attempt to set up a back-up in case the Schezo wagon died out, given that way that Pesco really seemed to have more on Dan than on Schezo in the first place yet clung to Schezo's wagon for a significant time before switching over to the other wagon. I disagree with his response to Dan's point in #288 because the post made it clear that he intended to switch off of scum!Schezo anyway. This doesn't pressure scum, it just tells them "hey, if you post anything substantial then I'll switch onto this delicious townie wagon".

Pesco's Shadoweh case has been handled rather curiously. Until his voteswitch, he never actually cited genuine reasons for suspecting her - virtually all his interactions were in the form of loaded | questions or mudslinging (ctrl+f "prod (0)") to make | her look | bad (also she really obviously wasn't voting Serela because he was annoying her, what the fuck, I have no idea how town could get an honest impression of Pesco's accusation from her case) without getting directly involved and attacking her. I'm reading this as another attempt to set up a future wagon jump. By not calling her a suspect or outright referring to her as scummy until he was asked, it would become rather easy for Pesco to not get held to his attacks on her or make a town!Shadoweh feel motivated to start playing better (thus making herself an unlikely mislynch) and yet have something to cite to make himself look consistent when he jumped on her later in the game. Furthermore, the way he seems to egg her on for the sake of reactions in posts like #441, and #394, #98 seems to come from the intent of aggravating her more than the intent of pushing her to play better due to the connotations of his tone. Town has absolutely no reason to act like this - angering players who are townies just causes them to become blinded and irritable and often fills up the thread with time-wasting noise in the form of emotional reactions, and scum typically has no reason to care about trolling attempts because they know you're a silly townie anyway and feel no little-to-no obligation to respond. However, given that the effect anger has on townies is a huge benifit to scum due to the chaos involved, scum!Pesco would actually have every reason to push Shadoweh's buttons if he knew he could probably anger her.

On the subject of Pesco and Shadoweh interactions, this post is SO BAD that I can't believe I never thought about it before. Setting up an earlygame plan for who to mislynch in LYLO, much?

Regarding the BT case, it is difficult to believe that Pesco would be so willing to give it up easily early into the day given how much conviction he had regarding the ActionDan case from the previous day. There were still 44 hours left in the day at the time of his post, and the D2 wagons had not even yet started to settle. Some people hadn't even given the impression they were fully set on their suspects, and I had even expressed interest in a potential BT lynch. There was definitely a lot of room for him to push for his case and attempt to convince the other players to see his way, and yet he took the easy way out by prematurely jumping onto the wagon that he had made faux-setups toward in the past when it was only at two votes anyway. This shows a huge lack of conviction. I disagree with his attempt to spin my point against me (which is arguably scummy in itself) here because I did not give up on getting Hero lynched D1 until the wagons had settled and there was virtually no chance of convincing people to go for that wagon, while Pesco had plenty of time to rally the town up against BT today. My switch off of Hero today doesn't really count as giving up the case, because unlikely Pesco's switch to BT, it wasn't born of compromise so much as having more conviction for the Pesco case (I'd also argue that sticking to my guns on Hero today would have been the easier mislynch but this post doesn't exist to defend myself so yeah).

As I said earlier, this post is still bad because Shadoweh was easier to push a lynch onto than any of those people, which may possibly have been why she had 3 votes when none of them actually did. <_<

tl;dr Pesco is scum for setting up wagon jumps on people he predicts to become obvious targets and also for aggravating with mudslinging in lieu of actual cases against them. Obviously not expected to convince people on that sentence alone though, so go actually look through those posts yourself instead of skimming my post.

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Also, NK anal totally points to scum!Pesco too, if you're into that kind of thing (like Shadoweh is). 100% genuine quality points here

* this phrase ? hanged hourai

Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #508 on: October 12, 2011, 03:12:18 AM »
Also, would probably want to hear Shadoweh and Omba comment on that too even though they're already voting him, because true wagon bros stick together (until scum jumps on for the sake of bussing).

Re: Vanilla Mafia II (D2)
« Reply #509 on: October 12, 2011, 03:18:50 AM »
Oh right, responding to J.O.B.
Cut again. Hey Huhwhat, do you still suspect me even though I have a vote down now?
Finally placing your vote down doesn't change the fact that not placing it down previous was already scummy. Also, you care too much about whether people suspect you or not, which errs a little bit on the defensive scum side. <_< Still, it should be pretty obvious that I think there are much better lynch targets today.

While I'm at it I'll say that I still want to see Dormio look into other players than Shadoweh more, particularly Pesco now that I posted that case.