Vanilla Mafia II (Game over, town wins!)

[J.O.B]

@Shadoweh: Huhwhat was suspecting me for not voting. So I voted so he can't suspect me for that reason.

@PX: If I were to make a case using reasons taken from everyone and not using any reasons of my own then wouldn't you find that scummy? It doesn't ruin the validity of your opinions, if it did, then the first person to make the reason wouldn't have valid cases. It jus means that you can't find anything else. True townies can keep digging up dirt on someone regardless of alignment.

Cut by Pesco.

[Shadoweh]

I lied.

##Unvote
##Vote: Serela[/b]

So, Serela. You said here that you liked things from both Dan and PX, and you weren't sure of who to vote at the point where they were pretty much the only two wagons. Here you vote PX over not-Dan because of his continued non-existance. Today, you are voting PX for still being scum? But you never thought he was scum in the first place! You just thought he was the scummier of the two choices! And you're already making it look like that again with a choice between PX and Hero. I want to hear more when you think of everyone else. Like why you randomly thought Pesco was scum but didn't follow up your suspicion.

OKAY PESCO LET'S JUST PRETEND I VOTED HIM FOR BEING ANNOYING AND THAT THE REST OF THAT POST NEVER HAPPENED RIGHT? It's right freaking there. And you're already surrendering your vote because oh well no one cares about what Pesco says guess I gotta go this way. I can't take this anymore. You have got to be scum. You can't seriously be this blind. You can't really believe these blatant misrepresentations of everything I say. You talked about the 'uncertainty and not showing it' but you know what? Your voting pattern says you haven't been certain of who you're voting since the beginning of the game. Why do you care what everyone else thinks instead of voting for the scum? You're just hopping on bandwagons until it bloody sticks. OH MY GOD YOU SUCK.

##Unvote
##VOTE: PESCO

I'M GOING TO BED. I WON'T BE BACK UNTIL TOMORROW AFTERNOON. MY ANSWER TO WHY AM I NOT VOTING SCUM IS BECAUSE YES I AM SO DIE.

[J.O.B]

Shadoweh, you still haven't answered my question that I've already asked you twice.

[PX]

True townies can keep digging up dirt on someone regardless of alignment.

And that is a trap. You're basically saying that people have to dig out the most bullshit reasons on why a person is scum so weak that it can be easily torn apart. That is not how scum hunting works, trying to turn everything someone does into scum.

[Shadoweh]

WHY DON'T YOU GO ANSWER IT.
JOB SOUNDING LIKE A SENSE
THIS POST IS WEIRD TOO

THIS IS TOTALLY A JOB POST[URL=http://[URL=http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10962.msg728337.html#msg728337]THAT'S PRETTY JOB TOO]
[URL=http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10962.msg728337.html#msg728337]THAT'S PRETTY JOB TOO

THIS ONE SOUNDS LIKE THE PART ON PX AND THE PART ON HUH WHAT WERE WRITTEN BY TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE

NOW GO AWAY

[Shadoweh]

WHY DON'T YOU GO ANSWER IT.
JOB SOUNDING LIKE A SENSE
THIS POST IS WEIRD TOO

THIS IS TOTALLY A JOB POST
THAT'S PRETTY JOB TOO

THIS ONE SOUNDS LIKE THE PART ON PX AND THE PART ON HUH WHAT WERE WRITTEN BY TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE

NOW I FIXED IT AREN'T YOU HAPPY

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Kind of here still. No real time to :words: right now or respond to Omba (who is IMO being dumb/tunnelly town and probably not worth squabbling with anyway) or whatever, but ##Unvote and ##Vote Pesco because I think he's taking potshots at Shadoweh just to irritate her more than he is honestly pushing for her lynch. This post bugs me because Shadoweh herself has been playing badly enough today (silly townie bad and not scummy bad imo) that she's probably easier to push a lynch onto than any of the people she mentioned. He's not pressing her for taking scummy stances, he's just trying to push her buttons, and this isn't something a townie should do. I also don't believe town Pesco would drop the BT case so easily after arguing with BT about it so much. Given the way he switched to Shadoweh so easily I think he was predicting BT to be a huge target today. I would talk about Hero still but he isn't fucking posting anything. More tomorrow at like, late in the day. <_<

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Also true facts: above post was me claiming Shadoweh's scumbuddy attempting to start her counterwagon, lynch me when her wagon flips scum.

Kind of irritated with this game TBH and shouldn't even be posting right now but I'm a lurker suddenly so okay.

[J.O.B]

Thank you Shadoweh for finally responding. I can kinda see what you mean. Isn't it obvious that I have multiple personalities Fake edit: Now you fixed it I'm even happier.

Also PX, what do you think about the rest of that paragraph?

@PX: If I were to make a case using reasons taken from everyone and not using any reasons of my own then wouldn't you find that scummy? It doesn't ruin the validity of your opinions, if it did, then the first person to make the reason wouldn't have valid cases.

I never mentioned you opinions not being valid. Just because they're not valid doesn't mean your scum. If you look hard enough you can find something worthwhile.

Cut 2 times.
Cut again. Hey Huhwhat, do you still suspect me even though I have a vote down now?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

What the fuck did I type yesterday?
So apparently I made some posts that I have absolutely no recollection of making.
Okay, so I am not Shadoweh. I should not drink and post ever again.
Anyway. I think I can still make out what I was trying to say in those posts.

On late day one, the way Shadoweh worded her posts gave her a lot off leeway in switching between PX and ActionDan.
She admits in #323 that her only case on Dan is that she believes in the people voting for him. No actual case of her own. Note that this is the person she hammered, over the person that she has been constantly calling scum throughout D1 and D2.

Bardiche's point in #388 is something that I find to be very interesting, too.

When I had written #392, Shadoweh had failed to mention PX at all during D2.
In fact, she seems to have kind of forgotten about him, placing him on a backburner for now. Kind of like a backup case or something.

Shadoweh unleashes a barrel of noise upon us by grabbing a list of the most active people and exclaiming that because none of them were killed overnight, at least one of them must be scum.
This announcement is horribly, horribly anti-town.
Firstly, it's an attempt to get everyone to focus on these people and to ignore the others.
Secondly, it's extremely distracting.
What makes this statement even worse is how Shadoweh actually gives her own justification on why the scum might have pulled such a stunt in the middle of stating how it makes no sense whatsoever.
For some reason, it just seems as if such a scenario could have been engineered by Shadoweh.

Her closing statement in #410 is absolutely terrible.
She says that we're going to have to wait to see a vote from her, despite the fact that she had several suspects from D1 that are all still alive.
She also calls herself town for "meta" basically. She claims to be so confused and loving it. Something that you can't prove, and gives no reason for us to believe that she's really telling the truth.

It also irks me that Shadoweh called Pesco scummy for "mudslinging" but refuses to vote for him at that point. Especially if you take into consideration that Shadoweh actually had suspicions of Pesco yesterday to boot.

Oh, and I also dislike Shadoweh's #451. She finally votes for Pesco, but has it filled with so much AtE. Something about that just doesn't sit right with me.
I mean, she did put Pescar into the "Townies" list in her #447, after all.

I'll make a post on the rest of you people later today. I have a massive headache right now.

[PX]

I never mentioned you opinions not being valid. Just because they're not valid doesn't mean your scum. If you look hard enough you can find something worthwhile.

THEN WHY THE FUCK AM I SCUM TO YOU?!

[J.O.B]

Stop dodging questions. That last sentence was in reply to the post you made that I was replying to in that quote.

[PX]

How the fuck does make me scum.

THEN WHY THE FUCK AM I SCUM TO YOU?!

[J.O.B]

PX STOP BEING DIFFICULT AND ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION!!!
Shadoweh was able to spot a case, so why can't you? Even if it's a bad case doesn't mean I don't think your scum, and it doesn't mean that it's not a case.

[PX]

You know what, I'm in no mood to deal with this at this time. Just repost everything you want me to answer, because if you want me to answer so badly try to make sure I get it right by shoving it right in my face instead of getting me to look for something that you're thinking of that I'm not. I'll deal with it tomorrow, sleep now.

[J.O.B]

@PX: If I were to make a case using reasons taken from everyone and not using any reasons of my own then wouldn't you find that scummy? It doesn't ruin the validity of your opinions, if it did, then the first person to make the reason wouldn't have valid cases.

Also PX, what do you think about the rest of that paragraph?

[BT]

Dormio, what do you think about everyone else (generally)? Do you have any other suspects?

Hero better post something soon... If this keeps up I'll be encouraging everyone to follow this lynch.

JOB and BT are just what

Did none of my recent posts made you change my opinion on me (or find an opinion) in any way?

Agreeing (still) with the accusations against Shadoweh so far. Once I see something from Hero I may as well change my vote.

[Pesco]

Kind of here still. No real time to :words: right now or respond to Omba (who is IMO being dumb/tunnelly town and probably not worth squabbling with anyway) or whatever, but ##Unvote and ##Vote Pesco because I think he's taking potshots at Shadoweh just to irritate her more than he is honestly pushing for her lynch. This post bugs me because Shadoweh herself has been playing badly enough today (silly townie bad and not scummy bad imo) that she's probably easier to push a lynch onto than any of the people she mentioned. He's not pressing her for taking scummy stances, he's just trying to push her buttons, and this isn't something a townie should do. I also don't believe town Pesco would drop the BT case so easily after arguing with BT about it so much. Given the way he switched to Shadoweh so easily I think he was predicting BT to be a huge target today. I would talk about Hero still but he isn't fucking posting anything. More tomorrow at like, late in the day. <_<

My dislike of Shadoweh started on Day 1 here. I point out here that Shadoweh still hasn't been producing. This isn't a switch out of the blue. I reread Shadoweh and my conclusion of her was here at the start of Day 2. How is this leadup an easy switch? It should be clear that I suspected her long before I made the vote.

Don't tell me that you think Shadoweh's dramatics are an indication of her alignment. I've told her time and time again after games to drop the stupid sarcasm in her posts because it's never appropriate. She doesn't learn, thus the best thing for us to do is to call her for crying wolf every time. If she's town, then she needs to up her standard of play.

As for you, I don't believe you would be town for not pressing Hero more yourself. I've gone back and forth a lot with BT, you acknowledged it, and nobody wants to support my case. If I can't have that lynch today, then I can only move onto my next suspect. What exactly puts you in the clear for doing essentially the same thing via far less presence?

[Kitten4u]

Dormio (0):
huh what (2): Omba, Hero999
BT (0):
Bardiche (0):
Omba (0):
Pesco (2): Shadoweh, huh what
Serela (1): PX
PX (2): Serela, JOB
Hero999 (1): BT
JOB (0):
Shadoweh (3): Bardiche, Dormio, Pesco

Not Voting: 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.  D2 ends in ~38 hours (watch countdown).

[Hero999]

Homework, >_<
@Huh what; Your attempt to practically discredit everything Omba has said in your first sentence, is scummy.

Job's post makes me face palm. Your voting Huh What because he is suspicious of you? -_-;

[Hero999]

@BT: Why do you feel the need to only encourage my lynch when I'm "lurking"?
I'm your worst read am I not? Why do you sound so unwilling to push for my lynch?

@Shadoweh: Invoking your own meta on yourself...>_>;

[Shadoweh]

So basically you're trying to policy lynch me because you want me to post differently. Why aren't you voting for scum?

[Omba]

So basically you're trying to policy lynch me because you want me to post differently. Why aren't you voting for scum?

Just to make sure: Are you referring to this?

Don't tell me that you think Shadoweh's dramatics are an indication of her alignment. I've told her time and time again after games to drop the stupid sarcasm in her posts because it's never appropriate. She doesn't learn, thus the best thing for us to do is to call her for crying wolf every time. If she's town, then she needs to up her standard of play.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Let's see, people want my thoughts on everyone else, right?

Scum - Shadoweh. Totes.
Weird - huh what, Pesco, BT. Needs more words on them later.
Dormio - Dormio
Everyone else - I don't care about you.

BT has not contributed much to the game until #418 where he lists off his opinions on everyone in the game.
What do I dislike about it? It says basically nothing. It gives us examples of bad play by the players, but so what?
I really think that it tells us nothing about what he really thinks and gives him the ability to jump onto the wagons of pretty much anyone.

As for huh what and Pesco, there's something about them that seem kind of weird. I'll expand on this when I actually get sleep and don't wake up hungover.

Also, on an unrelated note, I like how BT is the only person to still have not confirmed.

[J.O.B]

Job's post makes me face palm. Your voting Huh What because he is suspicious of you? -_-;

Hero's post makes me face palm. I'm not voting Huhwhat at all. -_-;

[BT]

@BT: Why do you feel the need to only encourage my lynch when I'm "lurking"?
I'm your worst read am I not? Why do you sound so unwilling to push for my lynch?

You're misunderstanding. I was anticipating you to reply to my accusations. If the reply is adequate, I would have switched my vote. It didn't need to be much, seeing as most of my accusations were based on your bad content. In other words, I was anticipating you to make me change my mind. If this is your reply, though, then I have no reason to.

I really think that it tells us nothing about what he really thinks and gives him the ability to jump onto the wagons of pretty much anyone.

If this isn't what I "really think", than what were you expecting? I'm all ears.

Also, on an unrelated note, I like how BT is the only person to still have not confirmed.

:/

[Bardiche]

ლ(?ロ?ლ) Do we have to go through rage every game, even in a game where we don't even have power roles so no role shenanigans?

Shadoweh, calm the fuck down and then please answer: why would a Town!PX offer to suicide hammer self? If I were Town and I'd be tied for lynch on D1, I sure the fuck wouldn't hammer myself because from my PoV, a randolynch has a 2/11 odds of hitting scum, whereas my lynch has a 1/1 odds of hitting Town. I find the suggestion doesn't really work there, to tell people to hammer themselves.

I still don't like PX but it's less with his recent posts, and I begrudgingly admit lynching him at this point would be more a policy lynch for channeling Zakeri than it'd be a lynch for scum. Shadoweh is being annoying with the AtE, and fuck why is everything and everyone exploding?

[Bardiche]

To just deign a response to the rest of your emo-laden shtick... I speculated on Scum!Shadoweh killing to show you just how stupid and utterly indefensible the WIFOM route is, and yet you employ it and call it a valid reasoning. It's getting back at you with your own reasoning and you now acknowledge it is bad.

I meant the part where you said the kill was trolling you because you jumped off of PX! There's no indication that a PX lynch would've resulted in a not-Schezo kill. It was just a question due to your oddness in phrasing but I don't hold it against you as scummy either way.

When you say PX scum is a possibility, is it just 1/11 odds of him being scum, (silly me, above should be 2/13 odds of hitting scums), or actual basis/grounds? I need to understand why you jumped off him yesterday! I'll grant that it's possibly less of a scumtell than I've thought up so far, because a panicked, indecisive Town could indeed randomly jump off of wagons they propelled forward themselves first.

Sorry, you're PX-level, Shadomeh. :derp:

You'll  have to forgive me for thinking it's a chainsaw when you're attacking both Serela and Omba, for voting PX and not voting PX respectively. Christ this is PX Mafia II (Day 2), and everyone's scum.

Anyway I'll go reread Pesco because it looks like this may be PERTINENT to do and whatnot and christ you all make me want to headdesk. Scum everywhere. From where I sit, scum everywhere. Stop doing this.

[Pesco]

So basically you're trying to policy lynch me because you want me to post differently. Why aren't you voting for scum?

I'm lynching you for active lurking and not scumhunting. These are things that I've reasoned out and determined you are scum for, thus I vote you to get lynched. If you aren't scum, then I hope you will post competently in future games.

[Hero999]

Hero's post makes me face palm. I'm not voting Huhwhat at all. -_-;

Really? and Your calling me out for parroting?
;ohdear; I looked at it wrong, my apologies then.
The contents itself were all about huh what so I had mistaken.