Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)

[Den-O]

Poisoner do not fucking claim

They're clearly pro town. I see no need for it.

Secondly, Mod, why didn't you count Kaa's vote on Countess?

[pesco]Kaa had unvoted[/pesco]

[Punch Hopper]

How awkward.
The ending votecount was incorrect.
Ancient Kaa unvoted before any movement was considered.
This is not something that can be faked.
As for the mechanic? My multishot has no effect on votes.
Calmcrow is as confused as you are.

[Ryuki]

I'm here, it's morning, gonna get food, maybe be back in a few hours. Ask things if you want.

[Kabuto]

O wow, Quick reply makes Quoting that much easier!

Let's start with:

##Vote Ancient Kaa the Soulless
What do you agree with Ancient Kaa the Soulless?
Atleast state what you agree with.
Also, If you agree with Rakanishu does that you also agree with his Vote?
If so, where is your vote?
If not, Why do you agree when your not willing to follow?

Alright, there's nothing wrong here for a ED1 post.  Kaa did something questionable and Bremm's vote implies Bremm thinks it's scummy.  And imo Kaa's "I agree" was scummy at the time.  I think the questions are repetitive and the idea behind Bremm's post could have been stated better, but in general, there is nothing wrong.

Next post signals something entirely different:

@Bloodwitch the Wild: I agree with Barbarian. Explain your vote. Its not RVS.

@Summoner: You first declared you would wait for Sorcerer to post. Yet immediately afterwards you vote Sorcerer. Then you only post your reasons AFTER asked. You also required someone to encourage you before you voted. Neutral leaning scum

@Sorcerer: When you answered Kaa, you replied Corpsefire is better then Coldcrow. Yet you rather FoS Corpsefire instead of Coldcrow who is worse then Corpsefire. I find you to be contradicting yourself. Your action did not match your words. Leaning scum.

@Countess: You said you are not just sitting around and waiting. However, your post here does not have anything that reaches out to "active scumhunting". Lying?

##Unvote
##Vote Countess

There is no reaction to Kaa's answer to your previous questions, which would have been expected if you felt concerned in the first place when you asked them.  This renders your first post pointless, adding no scumhunting value.  This is the source of the disconnect noticed by Kaa and a few others agreeing with him.  Even so, I find the rest of the post more pointedly scum motivated.

The point against Summoner doesn't tell me how and why what he did was scummy, I believe the pharse is 'narrative causality'.  E.g. what makes you think Summoner "required" someone to encourage him to vote?  Maybe he would have done it anyway had he been given no encouragement, Summoner can't be responsible for what people say to him.  This kind of falsified logic continues.

The point against Sorc is weak as you stated.  You didn't take into account that the question came after the initial judgement wherein Sorc decided to review again and change her judgement.  It's possible to say something to the effect of "I don't believe you were serious Sorc!" but the way you make the argument seems like lazy scum trying to score an easy point when there is a little more to consider.

The absolute most damning here is the vote and reason for voting Countess.  You simply accuse someone of no active scumhunting because you see none in a post meant to get off early opinions while they were continuing to read the topic and look for scum.  The question you failed to answer to accompany such an accusation is "WHY!".  WHY does that post contain no active scumhunting?  Does it show signs of scummy waffling? Does it not actually give opinions? Does it contain only town reads? ETC.  This is lazyness, when you allow others to guess the reasons for you.  This is a votepark, when you throw down a vote for such a weak case.  This is textbook scum.

@Sorceress: I believe his play was reasonable. I do believe the way Raa and Raka worked together so quickly early in the game is eyebrow raising. However, I also don't believe that its enough to warrant a vote at this junction especially after they clarified on it.

@Bloodwitch the Wild: Your reason does not even make sense. Immune does not equal weak to another. Also that is not an acceptable answer at this junction. It would work for RVS but right now its just noise.

@Courtess: You have yet to apply anything that makes me willing to change my vote.
I would also like to ask how you "know" Summoner did not "telegraph" his vote?

Also in #94 you told Eyeback you were undecided about people and wanted to wait for more posts. Yet your #71 post clearly defines them in a category. Why do you contradict yourself so much?

@Nihlathak: You sound like your voting Raka purely on the basis of "I said I would". Also, the only thing I can take from your posts is "I don't like Raka"
Also, your expecting us to immediately know what your opinions are on subtle words. If you don't clearly define them, I won't believe them.

This is just ugly.
"However, I also don't believe that its enough to warrant a vote at this junction especially after they clarified on it." - Sounds like your more concerned about your vote than either of them.
*ignore 2nd throwaway about Bloodwitch*
"You have yet to apply anything that makes me willing to change my vote." - Again, "WHY!"
"Also in #94 you told Eyeback you were undecided about people and wanted to wait for more posts. Yet your #71 post clearly defines them in a category. Why do you contradict yourself so much?" - mudslingling.  "clearly defines them" encompasses many reads which countess was undecided on.
I simply find the phrasing of the point against Nik not sincere.  As in, what do you want Nik to do?  Repeat what he said better? Find more scumspects?

Overall I find Bremm lazy and callous scum.

##Vote Bremm Sparkfist

[Faiz]

Still busy with haircut+shower, just posting really quick to request this:

Coldcrow, vote either Bloodwitch or Summoner.  I have no reason to believe you'd lie about having a half-vote instead of explaining why you'd be getting a full vote when poked about it unless you're hiding something you don't want us to know.

[Punch Hopper]

To answer Rakanishu.
At this moment Sorceress is suspicious.
A reaction that was pro-town seems simply not watching what is being said anymore.
I still disagree about Nihlathak.
Irony. It is for the same reason you want him to die.
Where is a cold immunity.. here.

##Vote Summoner

This vote wants to continue on Barbarian.
Deciding to concentrate a day into only two is odd.
A vague feeling of dislike for the idea.
Are we to let Day 1 run our lives?
The Summoner is very defensive.
A question to answer. Who is scum? Vote where you will.
Beetleburst rises ire for calling out to claim so quickly.
Massclaims are not pro-town so early.
Votes are better.
Don't cut me with votes.

[Ouja]

@Rakanishu: My reasons for voting Summoner at the time are tied into his multitude of posts detailing how scummy the others are, with little to no attempt to push forward his chief wagon. It felt, and feels, like he was simply throwing things around to see what would stick.

I echo that the poisoner need not claim. I disagree that Nihlatak needs lynching only because he lurks: that is his meta. I do agree he needs lynching for doing nothing but pointing out why others are wrong with no attempts to point to alternatives.

As I revisit my #91, I feel the need to update those reads with the new information.

For one, I believe Rakanishu is more likely to be Town than Scum, although not at a level yet where I can say so with certainty. Rakanishu's attempts to move Town forward make little sense from scum motivation unless gambits, and I see no reason to entertain that idea for now.

Both the Countess and Kaa have been dealt with, so my reads of them need little updating.  As for Summoner, I see little has changed, although I am willing to admit I may have been hasty in voting him for his behaviour. For now I'll wait and see what he does today and see if my opinion of him changes little.

The Sorceress fails to impress still, and on re-read I note the #65 with a vote on Summoner and FOS on Corpse. That Corpse later resolves this issue with a wall of opinions and causes Sorceress to drop all suspicion of him at once feels awkward: FOSing was premature, as tunnel vision has never been a prima cause for voting ED1, and it feels more like a setup for voting if the commentary against him stuck.

That her #119 asks me for opinions on Corpsefire in specific further makes me wonder: what in specific was there about Corpsefire that should have caught my notice? I never like people asking me for opinions on Specific Person X unless they are voting Specific Person X. That was not happening here, and I file it under suspicious in result.

##VOTE: Sorceress

Of Beetleburst I can say nothing but good. The case he's provided prompts me to do a re-read of Bremm Sparkfist.

[W]

Seriously, just flat out list your case on him. Concise, a few sentences with your strongest points.

As said in: #201 a flat list as you requested:
- Voteparks on Sorc, refuses to answer any further questions.
- Panics for unknown reason.
- Then suddenly claims not getting lynched anyway. (Spite being at 5.5)
- Acts unaware why was there no L-X message. Kind of odd while he knowns his role for sure.

This is my case.

##Vote The Summoner

Also, let's clear the air. Am I scum because I'm defending Summoner?

You said you are defending your town reads, fair to me. In my opinion, even if you are aggravating, I don't find it scummy.

Besides, I want to reread on Corpsefire and Bremm as well, after I finish up this deadline deliverable for school.

[Punch Hopper]

After digesting what Beetle has to say on Bremm suspicion is retracted.
This vote is acceptable.
Quick glances say Bremm had better reasons for people he wasn't voting for.
Countess reads as no reason at all.

There is something disconcerting about Eyeback.
Hard to place. An adversarial feeling?
Using the words dealt with to address fallen town. It feels wrong somehow.

[Faiz]

Sorry that this is a lot later than I expected.  Coldcrow+Fire Eye.

Coldcrow:  Posts are kinda annoying to read without knowing pointing out what she's responding to  :V   Other than that, I'm still getting bad feelings because of why she thinks Corpse is town, and now this.   Also keeps finding ways to say that she wants to vote one person but voting another, the first time she did this on Countess now looking extra bad at the moment.   Currently leaning scum, and looking forward to the next VC.

Fire Eye:  Currently leaning town, although a couple of his opinions on me left me slightly confused.  "I'm not seeing the magic" meant what, again?  #142 kinda clears it up (mostly the votepark on Summoner, I take it) but is that still it now?

Summoner:  Hrm.  Reread wound up being just a bunch of accusations.  Ends it by condemning me yet again and then... doesn't even try to argue for a wagon onto me and swaps to Countess, when he had at least Kaa's support.

Being knocked off now, will finish later.

[Kabuto]

All in!

There's more than just the additional 1/2 vote.   It's that Countess was at L-1 before Kaa unvoted and there was no surprise lynch.  Then Coldcrow's vote brings Countess back to L-1 and then suddenly lynch.  Obviously there is a scum vote mechanic involved here, but while it's most probable it's Coldcrow, it still could be someone else taking a day action that is not an innate ability.

Coldcrow what are your elements, or are you just cold? I have two, electric and something else (which if anyone wants to ask for, I'll give it).

In anycase I'm going to mull over Sorc - Summoner - Coldcrow again, but I still feel positive that Bremm has to be scummier content-wise than any of them.

[Pesco]

Outer Cloister Votecount

Sorceress (2.5): Poisoned, Rakanishu, Eyeback
Bremm Sparkfist (0.5): Beetleburst
The Summoner (1.5) Coldcrow, Fire Eye

Not voting: Everyone else

12 alive, 5 votes for a lynch.
71% time remaining

[Kabuto]

Fire Eye, just making sure, does your vote count fully?

[Punch Hopper]

Whether the additional half-vote mechanic is scum or town I don't know. The end of day votecount originally had 6 votes. Pesco didn't notice Kaa's unvote. It's too late to unflip someone once they've been flipped. I assume you have the ability to read where he said the votes were miscounted.

Oh my special abilities are STOP ROLEFISHING.

Sorceress, you have no idea why I think Corpsefire is town. Don't pretend I've given you a reason to feel bad about. The only reason I'm voting Summoner right now is to show you the half-vote.

Cut by a prerequisite votecount!

##Unvote
##Vote Sorceress

What the hell are you trying to accomplish pushing me because of a mod error? I have no idea what you're talking about in regards to my vote. I was voting for Countess. That's what started this, remember? And while you're pretending to read my posts you've missed something glaring that you of all people should have noticed. You're not paying attention. You're just trying to find what other people thinks sticks.

[Faiz]

Annd back.

Summoner cont.:  At half the day remaining at that point, him giving up on the wagon for Countess after quoting that looks like he's just taking advantage of a mess-up to do that unpark everyone's been on him about, instead of trying to justify why he's still on me.   Back to thinking scum here, now that I have knowledge of Countess/Kaa alignments.

Current scum suspects:  Summoner/Nihilthak/Coldcrow
Current town feels, in no specific order:  Raka/Fire Eye/Beetleburst
Current neutral reads, from scummiest to towniest:  Corpsefire/Bremm/Lurkerwitch/Eyeback/Barbarian


Cut:  ... oh boy here we go.

@Coldcrow:  For "setup reasons", right?  Haven't mentioned him any more since that so that's what I have to go by.  And I'm trying to push you because of a mod error?  Mod says otherwise. evidently.  And something that everyone missed that I should have specifically noticed?  Only thing that really comes to mind was you being a quick second onto Summoner at the very start of D1, although that got lost in the shenanigans afterwards.  Which I did mention when Kaa prodded me after #65.

[Kick Hopper]

@Countess was overly defensive and repeatedly contradicted herself. She had also generated alot of pointless noise. Such as 87.

She said she stated her opinions of everyone "clearly" here yet she had said she was undecided in 94.

@Nihlathak: Why do you answer so subtly?
Your answering questions with Rhetorical questions. You assume that we know what you are saying with just vague words.
What are your reads?
State it as clear as possible.

@Fire Eye: Why are you so excessively tunnelling on Summoner? I do not understand whats making you hit Summoner so hard anymore. I don't find your cases enough of a reason for you to tunnel so heavily on Summoner.

You're being overly defensive here. Plenty of people avoided it. But why did you?

@On the topic of Fullcount Votes, I claim that my votes remove elemental immunities. Which is the reason for Coldcrow's full vote, and a reason I'm not willing to place my vote at the moment.

[Punch Hopper]

Because you can't read.

Votes got Miscounted. Just carry on. Assume it was a deadline lynch.

Indeed. Although the poisoning brings it into question. Will think about that after Corpsefire posts.

In other news I'm facepalming so hard at you. Why are you purposely avoiding looking at my vote on YOU?

[Ryuki]

As said in: #201 a flat list as you requested:
- Voteparks on Sorc, refuses to answer any further questions.
- Panics for unknown reason.
- Then suddenly claims not getting lynched anyway. (Spite being at 5.5)
- Acts unaware why was there no L-X message. Kind of odd while he knowns his role for sure.

This is my case.

##Vote The Summoner

-AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
First off, QUESTIONS?

The summoner, wait wait wait. You said you would "wait and see Sorc's" reply after unvoting. Now joining also the bandwagon? Is it me or am I getting scummy buddy vibes from you and Kaa? Also your explanation is worse (none existant) than Kaa's.

I SEE NONE. SERIOUSLY. LOOK AT ALL THE FUCKING POSTS WHERE PEOPLE VOTE ME. I SEE NO QUESTIONS. NONE.
ALSO, VOTEPARKING? WHY? BECAUSE I'M VOTING THE PERSON I THINK IS SCUM? I SAID I DIDN'T LIKE THE SORC BEFORE I VOTED HER, I DIDN'T LIKE HER WHEN I VOTED HER, AND I DIDN'T LIKE HE STILL AFTER I VOTED HER.
LET ME COUNTER THIS TO YOU. YOU KEPT YOUR VOTE ON ME, YET YOU SAID YOU DISLIKED ALL OF SORC, COUNT, AND ME, THE THREE WAGONS OF THE DAY. YET YOUR VOTE WAS SOLELY ON ME, THE ENTIRE DAY. NO CHANGE, NOTHING. CAN'T I JUST SAY YOU'RE VOTEPARKING AS WELL?! HELL, EVERYONE WHO HAS THEIR VOTE ON WHO THEY THINK IS SCUM MUST BE VOTEPARKING.
- OH, I REVEALED WHY. BUT SINCE YOU CAN'T FUCKING READ, GUESS I'LL JUST RESTATE THEM.
1) VOTED TO L-1.5
2) BARB PROMISED TO JOIN MY WAGON
3) ROLE RELATED REASONS
4) MOTKTOWN ACTIVITY: REALLY LOW. NOT MUCH CHANCE OF IT CHANGING.
- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WAY TO MISREAD, MISREP, AND TRY TO USE THAT AGAINST ME EVEN THOUGH I SEE NO WAY HOW THAT INDICATES I'M SCUM. I'LL EVEN BE NICE AND QUOTE WHAT I SAID.

Sorc looks scum, no opinions, the vote is parked on me, but the lynch isn't happening, and it looks like it's quickly becoming not me vs me (unsurprisingly yet again)

READ. THE SORCERESS LYNCH WAS NOT, I REPEAT, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
- YOU WANT TO KNOW MY ROLE THAT BADLY? MAYBE, BUT I'LL JUST LET OFF FOR NOW SAYING THAT THIS IS A BASTARDLY ROLE.

YOU SEEM SO TUNNELLY ON ME AND SO CONFIDENT SINCE I'M SUCH AN EASY TARGET THAT YOU'RE NOT EVEN BOTHERING TO READ. WELL YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK ABOUT YOU?!

##VOTE: FIRE EYE

EDIT: CUT BY THREE POSTS BUT I DON'T GIVE A FUCK RIGHT NOW

[Sasword]

Sorceress's recent opinions don't give any concrete conclusions. She gives a bunch of one-liner blurbs on people that just poke at them without actually saying anything of value, if you get my drift. Example: Nihlathak needs pressure, you say, but you don't give him any. Coldcrow looks like your preferred scumpick, but you don't do anything with that suspicion. You throw suspicion at a bunch of people, but I don't see any intent to vote scum.
##FoS: Sorceress because L-1.5 I think.

In addition, her vote on Countess was weak. Relevant passages quoted. The questions quoted don't really lead anywhere, as I see it. I would like you to reexplain your former case on Countess for the peanut gallery.

Countess first post:  Just because the "strongest arguer" was scum last game has no meaning on this game.  And if you're thinking that way why does Raka look townish to you later on?  And how scummy do you think I am if you keep thinking my stuff is bad yet not good.  Also why should anyone cater to your needs, especially after the case on me was already linked?
Vote stays for now, but I could be convinced to go for Countess or Corpsefire.

Not liking Countess misrep either.
Countess isn't looking any better (Make up your fricken mind on me already!  Misrep on Summoner I already mentioned).

A reread of Summoner leads me to conclude he's probably a town troll, regarding his actions in ED1. Anyway, I want Summoner to update his opinions on people. Cut by something which I'm going to read.

Nihlathak's only posts strike me as more irrelevant than scummy, what with how he spends the majority of his posts presenting a tautological argument. He should come back to play with us so we can read him!

Still rereading, so no vote yet. I'm lazy. I have some reads and I think some people look town etc etc.

cut: This entire convo is silly. Given this:

Votes got Miscounted. Just carry on. Assume it was a deadline lynch.

Here, let's make this crystal clear.
@mod: Was the D1 lynch concluded due to mod error?

[pesco]Do mods intentionally miscount votes and then make an announcement saying there was a mistake? The votes, how much they were worth and where they were are all CORRECT. The lynch HAPPENED due the the keyword in that post, MISCOUNTED.[/pesco]

[Sasword]

Oh goddamn I got cut by like 5 people. Ignore the parts that are just repeats. >_>

[Faiz]

@Coldcrow:  See link in last post that leads to post where the mod says the count's correct?  Bremm's claim makes everything about the vote make sense though,  so taking that point back and making my read of you neutral, slight scum lead.  You've already admitted that your vote on me was a pressure vote, and it was an ED1 vote to get activity according to you, so I saw nothing strange about it.  Unless you'd like to admit it's something else, now?


@Bloodwitchcut:  It looks that way because I cut you.  As for vote... uh... that got lost in responding to cuts <_<  Also, you say I have no intent to vote and then merely FoS because of L-1.5?  What's the difference between L-2 and L-1.5?

Countess case was for all the contradictions and back-and-forth reads, demanding the cases be presented to her instead of trying to find cases herself, and that misrep being the nail in the coffin.

You think Summoner is a town troll?  I'd like to know exactly what you mean by that because that doesn't sound like a good thing.

Nihlathak's posts being irrelevant is the entire problem with him for me.  The only not-lurking stuff he's done was to strike up an arguement with Raka that went nowhere. 

And for the promised vote:

##Vote: Summoner,  FoS Nihlathak

[Kabuto]

UK, please lend me your flying unicorn so I can fly out of here!

I'm sorry, but Summoner your post made my head ring.  still in the middle of a D1 reread that's incredibly painful.

I don't think Bremm's most recent post shows any earnest scum hunting, especially since, while understandibly not voting, he doesn't say who he thinks is most likely scum out of the people he threw out questions to.

But this is important:

@On the topic of Fullcount Votes, I claim that my votes remove elemental immunities. Which is the reason for Coldcrow's full vote, and a reason I'm not willing to place my vote at the moment.

This disturbs me.  This is a power of scummy proportions as it misleads someone voting thinking that perhaps they would only put someone to L - 0.5 not L.  Moreover, you did not claim it when you knew Coldcrow announced that she would put her vote on Countess eventually.  Thus this possibility existed, you knew about it, and did not try and stop it.   The only thing that hinders me from going all out "OMG CONF. SCUM!" is that you are claiming this now, which doesn't make sense as a scum action.

@Coldcrow:  I can read fine, I don't think Pesco was clear enough perhaps, but all he needs to say is a one-word answer to BloodWitch.   Also I seriously hope you're not saying that I was rolefishing for your element type, because I consider that kind of information basic to everyone and now I am thinking it should be considered common knowledge with all the vote shenags going on.  I am Electric and Physical.  Thus anytime I vote an electric or physically immune person, it only counts as a half-vote.

 

[Punch Hopper]

@Coldcrow:  See link in last post that leads to post where the mod says the count's correct?  Bremm's claim makes everything about the vote make sense though,  so taking that point back and making my read of you neutral, slight scum lead.  You've already admitted that your vote on me was a pressure vote, and it was an ED1 vote to get activity according to you, so I saw nothing strange about it.  Unless you'd like to admit it's something else, now?

Certainly not.
I simply find it odd that you express suspicion of me, yet calmly ignored that as if it had never happened.
While other town were willing to fight your battle for you.
This does not seem like a pro-town attitude to me.

The Summoner has taken in too many grief seeds. His mind seems to be lost.
I agree the Sorceress lynch was not possible at that time.
Nevertheless it would be preferred if he came back with opinions after calming down.
Cases born out of hate are made with bias.

[Punch Hopper]

@Coldcrow:  I can read fine, I don't think Pesco was clear enough perhaps, but all he needs to say is a one-word answer to BloodWitch.   Also I seriously hope you're not saying that I was rolefishing for your element type, because I consider that kind of information basic to everyone and now I am thinking it should be considered common knowledge with all the vote shenags going on.  I am Electric and Physical.  Thus anytime I vote an electric or physically immune person, it only counts as a half-vote.

It frustrates to be the only one that saw the votecount.
Your wishes to clear up all mysteries are understandable.
They are also dangerous for putting that information in wrong hands.
Other elements would ruin my name. I am Cold and Cold alone.

Bremm has claimed a dangerous ability.
Other vote altering powers are minimal.
This one seems stronger somehow.
Combined with play it makes me wish to look back at who wanted my vote placed quickly.

[Faiz]

I didn't really find that particular vote suspicious is the thing.  Also, at the time that Summoner gave up the wagon on me, the Deadline was at 48%, with a bunch of people listing me as scummy.  Maybe at the time Countess claimed it would have been impossible because the percent dropped a ton afterwards, but at that point it was premature imo.

Going to sleep now, might be able to get a post in when I wake up, but if I haven't posted by, say, 9 AM EST or so I've likely been rushed off to work.

[Pesco]

Barracks Votecount

Sorceress (3.5): Poisoned, Rakanishu, Eyeback, Coldcrow
Bremm Sparkfist (0.5): Beetleburst
The Summoner (2) Fire Eye, SOrceress
Fire Eye (1): The Summoner

Not voting: Barbarian, Nihlathak, Corpsefire, Bremm Sparkfist, Bloodwitch the Wild

12 alive, 5 votes for a lynch.
52% time remaining
Barbarian, Nihlathak and Corpsefire have been prodded

Edit: Votecount fixed

[Kiva-la]

I'm awake! I'm awake!

Corpsefire 74: Read this and answer me, Corpsefire. Why the Summoner hate with no mention of Sorceress?

I had no original opinions of the Sorceress to add at the time and would have preferred a lynch on the Summoner.

Corpsefire 146 What interests me is that he agrees with the points on Sorc, but doesn't bother restating any. He restates a lot of OTHER opinions though. So why not Sorc?

Mainly because I didn't bother to read through Sorceress properly at that point.

Nihlathak is still a thing that I don't particularly like. Especially his #79 where he defends Sorceress and Summoner for whatever reason.

##Vote Fire Eye
I actually want to sideline my Summoner case because I would rather go with this one.
His case in #217 is appears to be punishing bad play, rather than actual scumminess, and this extends to most of his posts actually.
In addition, his fencesit on Kaa in ED1 still seems off to me

Making another post with elaborations and other stuff hopefully.

[Sasword]

Hopefully that mod answer clears everything up so we don't have to go off on that tangent anymore.

@Sorceress: I'm not going to put you at L-0.5 because of weird things with immunities. Also I have no idea what the point of that second question is. 0.5?

I looked through your ISO but I can't find this misrep you mentioned on Summoner; could you restate it?

I think Summoner has a bit of an attitude and isn't exactly typographically elegant, but the thing is I can't really see what he does that's really scummy. For instance, I don't even know what your case on Summoner is. Is it just the not me over me at what you say is 48% time left? (Can't cross check right now due to shitty net)

I've seen too many lurktown to be sure of Nihlathak's alignment at this stage. Also, the thing about a Nihlathak lynch is that it would basically be a policy lynch based on lack of activity/content. He might be a good vig target.


Anyway, reread some other people.

Barbarian is pretty damn useless from reading his posts, but is probably not scum because GUT! =D. I want him to update his opinions...or just post, really. What do you think of Summoner and Nih now?

Bremm's first post of D2 is pretty bad, but Beetleburst already covered most of it; there's no indication of scum suspicions. His day one activity is also pretty lackluster. The vote on Countess makes absolutely no sense, given he had "better" points on Summoner and Sorcerer. Most everything else I wanted to say has already been said by Beetleburst.

##Vote: Bremm Sparkfist

Corpsefire's early D1 is a null tell. His big post is mediocre but makes decent points. Null leaning town; I want him to get in here with explained and updated reads.

Fire Eye I can't read for the tunneling. I want Fire Eye to post opinions on non-Summoner people so we can see where he stands on everything else. I'll reread him again later.

I see Coldcrow is voting Sorceress and probably has a case on her, but I want her to restate exactly what that case is. Is it the issue over the mod error, the fact the Sorceress never addressed your vote on her, or something else? Also, what do you think of Barbarian? In my reread I found that he didn't have very clearly defined opinions on stances, and waffled like a mofo, but he read more like waffle-town than waffle-scum to me. (I've also had a bit of trouble generating reads this game). Your thoughts?
I'd also like a little clarification on the last paragraph in #233 as to what you were trying to say.

Beetleburst, I imagine there are probably town powers that also remove immunities, so the fact that Bremm claimed that power is not scummy in and of itself.

Summoner should make another post that's actually readable, since my eyes glaze over the all caps. I'll see what Fire Eye's response is; meanwhile, what happened to your Bremm, Barb, and Corpsefire suspicions from yesterday?

Anyway, happy with either a Bremm or Sorceress lynch today. Getting this out now while I can still post.

[Punch Hopper]

My opinion of Barbarian mirrors yours.
Other then the gut. I don't like him.
Trying to generate reads on fatally absent players is frustrating.
He had no opinion before the day ended.
He should stop lurking and update us now so I can vote for him again we have a place to start.
Opinions or die. That's my rule.

Which part of 223? If the second. There are three vote altering powers in play already.

For Sorceress.
Why can't it be all?
It is hard to understand what part of miscounted was hard to read.
Attempting to start a wagon on me before it was clarified is simply wrong.
The lack of addressing is suspicious because other members of town were attacking for it. Both Countess and Ancient Kaa raised ire over a circumstance Sorceress didn't address. I thought she didn't notice. Saying she was fine with it all along means she was allowing me to come under fire for what she apparently considered 'nothing strange'.

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@ Corpsefire,

Bad play punishment you say? If that was the case, I would've gone and smacked Nilhatak-like persons hard for being bad players. I like how you throw random things at me. Your case is cute, but contains all sorts of random unjustified points.

First, fence sitting on Kaa? Where did you bring that nonsense up from? I made a Top-3 for myself and explained clearly why I had that list. Kaa was in that list as well. Rereading him more carefully, Kaa was pushing too hard and over-thinking everything. Even admitted he was. I don't find that necessary scummy, it gave me more town reads.  After reading on Countess, I removed Kaa from my top 3 and started looking for more.

Speaking of punishing bad play? Your activity after #146 was just as poor as Nilhatak and co. Your vote was before this post and you kept summarizing everything but did not actually contribute or continued to hunt. How does that makes you any different than Nilhatak or other similar bad contributor? Just because you are now "active" hunting? Don't make me laugh.


@ Bremm,
You are right, my tunnelling on Summoner is not a good idea. But as I explained just above, the tunnelling happened because Summoner kept on being ignorant and acted very suspicious about his panic (still not explained). THIS gave me my own person reason to put Summoner as highest suspect for my own Top 3, get it?

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I states yesterday I would've read on Corpsefire and Bremm (goddamn real life cockblocks). Anyway...

Corpsefire > I already explained above in my answer to his lousy case on me. Stating random things. Pretending he is active now. Gives me currently neutral to town reads.

About Bremm > His ability is something dangerous. I am kind of worried about this. But the entire vote-count confusion has put me, as well as many other people, off balance making it hard to judge whether he comes off more scummy or more town. Bremm hasn't been actively scum hunting D1. This is troublesome, but if we had to take his claim into account, it explains his behaviour. It makes some what sense (if of course he is for real). I cannot decide yet. Needs more careful rereading if I am not missing something.

Also:

Nilhatak > Still not helping either in scum hunting. D1 was poor, and you still look poor. You are poor. I concur the idea of others that you need to get lynched if there would be lurk-lynching going on.

Barbarian > Gut gut gut gut is all I am reading. Come up with some cases, names or a list of most scum most town. Your vote in D1 was also based on GUT, not on actual CASE.

Why are we all surrounded by damned active lurkers. For god's sake: If I had to lynch on lurkers I would pick Nilhatak over Barbarian. But I rather not waste my vote.

Need to read on Beetle, Coldcrow, Eyeback and Bloodwitch. Real life chorus calling.