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~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: Pesco on August 29, 2011, 09:27:56 PM

Title: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Pesco on August 29, 2011, 09:27:56 PM
The Prime Evils, Mephisto, Diablo and Baal, roam the lands disguised. Their mere presence taints the air. To defeat a demon, one must become a demon themselves and not lose hold of sanity. Bounty hunters, adventurers, monsters and heroes have gathered to root out The Three. But at the same time, to attain glory, rivals need to be removed too.

Diablo Mafia

Rules
Play to win. Or else don't play at all and get replaced.
All game days will start with 100% of time remaining. Each votecount will deduct some percentage of time. The amount deducted is based on meaningful activity from the players since the last vote count.
LyLo will be declared. It has no effect on the deadline mechanic.
You may use your abilities, if you have any, at the times specified in your role PM.
The scum faction may choose one of their own to perform their factional kill ability or not.
Do not directly quote any mod communication in any way, including screenshots. Have a mod look over a post if you are unsure.
If your role PM does not say you can do something, you can not do it. Ask the mod if in doubt.
Voting must be in the format of ##Vote Name. Unvoting is required before placing a new vote.
If no majority is reached, the person with the most votes will be lynched.
Players that do not post in the game thread at least once every 24 hours will be prodded.
The number of votes required for a lynch is equal to half the number of players alive and less one. In LyLo the number of votes required will be half the number of players alive. The minimum number of votes required for a lynch is one and a half.
All actions in this game carry the type and element specified in your role PM. If you vote someone that has immunity to your type or element, your vote will count for a half less of its total value for each instance of immunity.

Alive
Barbarian
Fire Eye
Coldcrow
The Summoner
Corpsefire

Dead
The Countess - Superunique
Ancient Kaa the Soulless - Superunique
Sorceress - Player Character survivor mason
Beetleburst - Superunique
Bloodwitch the Wild - Superunique
Mephisto - Prime Evil Debuffer
Nihlathak - Superunique

Removed from the game
Rakanishu
Eyeback the Unleashed

Links
Day 1 end (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg706292.html#msg706292)
Day 2 end (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg708769.html#msg708769)
Day 3 end (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg710205.html#msg710205)
Day 4 end (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg711284.html#msg711284)



You may start posting once you have received your role PM.
14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
100% time remaining.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Role PMs going out)
Post by: Decade on August 29, 2011, 09:37:59 PM
##Vote Beetleburst

I hate beetles.

Quote
The minimum number of votes required for a lynch is one and a half.
...pffffttttt
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kiva-la on August 29, 2011, 09:39:53 PM
##Vote Barbarian

He killed me! As well as stealing the first post from me but I don't care about that so much. I mean it's not like I really need to be the first poster or anything. HE KILLED ME!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 29, 2011, 09:44:30 PM
Oh look the game started.

##Vote Pesco for being a jerk.

I'd like to hear what everyone thinks about claiming their immunities. The pros I can think of relate to voting, but I'm actually against this because if I understand it right elemental immunities can prevent scum kills if they do it rong.

If people are in favor of this course of action, I'd like to hear why, because of the con I stated.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 29, 2011, 09:44:54 PM
...WELLP!

I guess our immunities are claimed for us. FUCK.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kiva-la on August 29, 2011, 09:46:20 PM
... Was that ED1 rolefishing?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 29, 2011, 09:47:45 PM
Yep. I want to know EVERYONE'S ROLE RIGHT NOW! Clearly D1 MASSCLAIM IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO WIN.

You'd have to be exceptionally special to interpret what I asked as rolefishing.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kiva-la on August 29, 2011, 09:49:25 PM
I'd assume that one's immunities are fairly important, and you attempted to fish for everybody's immunities as soon as the game started.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 29, 2011, 09:50:52 PM
I'd assume you can actually read plain fucking english and not assume I immunity fished. I also direct you to the sidebar where your immunity is stated right there.

I asked people's THOUGHTS on immunity claiming because I have theory thoughts on what town is more likely to say and what scum is more likely to say.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kiva-la on August 29, 2011, 09:52:49 PM
I realize that the immunities are shown by people's profiles for the those that have them.
Judging by your second post, however, you did not.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ryuki on August 29, 2011, 09:53:14 PM
I'd assume you can actually read plain fucking english and not assume I immunity fished. I also direct you to the sidebar where your immunity is stated right there.

I asked people's THOUGHTS on immunity claiming because I have theory thoughts on what town is more likely to say and what scum is more likely to say.

Then what's the point of the giant "FUCK" at the end?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Decade on August 29, 2011, 09:54:19 PM
Eh, I see where he's coming from (Plus he asked for opinions about it and not actually doing it, and even stated he was against it). In any case I'd call someone asking that a null tell, all considering. It's a pretty... different mechanic, plus it influences VOTING, so. Now I understand the one and a half votes thing. It's still highly amusing to me to read one and  half vote minimum though.

But yeah, I'd assume that text under our names makes our immunities pretty known. Dunno if there are hidden ones or not, and not going to ask.

Woohoo getting cut all over the place. I'm used to getting cut.

okay that joke was lame
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 29, 2011, 09:54:49 PM
You're right. That point is less important. But the fact still remains you have shown an inability to understand simple english.

Unless you have something else to add, I'm pretty much done with this useless conversation. Like, seriously, I'm not even sure if you're town or scum yet.

@Summoner: That would be, again, because I was hoping to get a read on people's alignments from my question. That tool has been robbed from me.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 29, 2011, 09:56:59 PM
Anyway, I'm starting this game off on the wrong foot because I saw something that angered me immensely before I started posting.

Let me try this again. Sorry about the insults to your intelligence Corpsefire. It's just irritating to be misrepped in what is, to me, such a ridiculous fashion.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ryuki on August 29, 2011, 10:04:07 PM
Well, in that case, everybody looks the same.

##Vote: Fire Eye

Since fire melts my ice immunity.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 29, 2011, 10:06:30 PM
I think claiming immunities would have been fine, but I'd rather not continue to pursue the subject at this point because I feel that it would unwanted chaff into the game. D1 has enough of that as is.

##Vote Corpsefire
The pressure on Rakanishu without actually voting him / her (?) makes me think that you're testing the waters to see if other people are going to make Rakanishu a viable ED1 wagon or not, but that you lack the guts to start it yourself because it'd draw attention to you.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 29, 2011, 10:11:54 PM
*would bring unwanted chaff into the game

I'm good at words from my sentences, apparently.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on August 29, 2011, 10:18:12 PM
Blood Moor Votecount

Beetleburst (1): Barbarian
Barbarian (1.5): Charged Bolt, Corpsefire,
Fire Eye (1): The Summoner
Corpsefire (1): Ancient Kaa

Not voting: Rakanishu, The Countess, Fire Eye, Bremm Sparkfist, Coldcrow, Nihlathak, Sorceress, Bloodwitch, Eyeback, Beetleburst

14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
99% time remaining.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Faiz on August 29, 2011, 10:27:21 PM
I don't mind the revealed immunities, because that at least saves us headaches when we get to the actual voting, not liking that outburst from Raka.

However, ##Vote: Summoner.  Everyone is not equal, let's not be ignoring the first argument.

INABACUT:

Quote from: Pesco
14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.

Just to avoid any BS when someone hammers early and tries to go OMG didn't know.

Also screw lightning enchanted seriously
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Punch Hopper on August 29, 2011, 10:27:50 PM
Speaking of testing the waters.

##Vote: The Summoner


It appears elements affect the strength of our votes. This should make securing lynches even more fun then the last time.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 29, 2011, 10:29:06 PM
##Vote Sorceress

Serious vote.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 29, 2011, 10:32:08 PM
I agree with Rakanishu.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Punch Hopper on August 29, 2011, 10:33:33 PM
What exactly are you agreeing with here?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kick Hopper on August 29, 2011, 10:34:34 PM
##Vote Ancient Kaa the Soulless
What do you agree with Ancient Kaa the Soulless?
Atleast state what you agree with.
Also, If you agree with Rakanishu does that you also agree with his Vote?
If so, where is your vote?
If not, Why do you agree when your not willing to follow?

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Faiz on August 29, 2011, 10:35:36 PM
I'd like to know what caused Raka to serious vote me first, tbh.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 29, 2011, 10:36:12 PM
I agree with his serious vote. Not enough to move mine, Corpsefire looks worse to me. But it's where my second vote would be placed if it existed.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kiva-la on August 29, 2011, 10:37:45 PM
Why do you feel the need to affirm Rakanishu's vote and what do you think is its grounds for the serious vote?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 29, 2011, 10:39:06 PM
Nah, I like Raka. That said his I agree blurb COULD have done with a vote. Or at least an elucidation on if he thinks Corpsefire is worse (which is valid)

Sorceress: Hmm...your vote is bad ^-^. There are at least two other things wrong with your post. I invite people to scavenger hunt for them! It'll be fun~

Coldcrow is all right, Bremm is probably town, but a bit of a try hard.

Cut by Raa: Ah, thanks, all I wanted to know =D

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 29, 2011, 10:39:23 PM
...By Raka I meant Raa. STUPID R NAMES
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kiva-la on August 29, 2011, 10:39:53 PM
To clarify, the fact that you agree with Rakanishu's vote means that you also have suspicions of the Sorceress, right?
What are your suspicions?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 29, 2011, 10:40:54 PM
EBWOP: But I do like myself, because I *am* awesome. Just felt the need to clarify that.

Bremm made a similar mistake asking Raa why he agrees with himself :P.

Corpse is a tryhard and the kind that isn't actually helping town. I feel faked effort from him, but it could just be ED1 blues. Still, got my eye on him.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 29, 2011, 10:41:44 PM
Corpse, why do you care?
If somebody has a reason for voting that they obviously do not want to share, why should I attempt to interpret it for them?
Finally, why are you still not voting, despite constantly throwing out pressure to see what sticks?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kiva-la on August 29, 2011, 10:45:21 PM
I care because it looks like blatant sheeping and I have no idea what the case on Sorceress is.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Punch Hopper on August 29, 2011, 10:49:39 PM
Oh that's a nice overdefensive reaction there.

##Vote: Sorceress


You scared?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Skull on August 29, 2011, 10:50:22 PM
I have no idea what's going on right now, but I do get the feeling that Rakanishu is one of my promised Lynches.

##Vote: Rakanishu
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Punch Hopper on August 29, 2011, 10:50:36 PM
Voting properly is scarier.

##Unvote
##Vote: Sorceress
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 29, 2011, 10:51:47 PM
Nih will need to die before lylo. Not feeling scum yet but he's demonstrated he doesn't care about winning with town.

Coldcrow, I like you, but you're getting a little overeager. Her reaction is null, maybe slight scum leaning. about what I expected. Her first post with the votes to lynch thing says a lot more :3.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on August 29, 2011, 10:52:02 PM
Den of Evil Votecount

Beetleburst (1): Barbarian
Barbarian (1.5): Charged Bolt, Corpsefire,
Fire Eye (1): The Summoner
Corpsefire (1): Ancient Kaa
The Summoner (1): Sorceress
Sorceress (2): Rakanishu, Coldcrow
Ancient Kaa the Soulless (1): Bremm Sparkfist
Rakanishu (0.5): Nihlathak

Not voting:: The Countess, Fire Eye, Bloodwitch, Eyeback, Beetleburst

14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
98% time remaining.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Decade on August 29, 2011, 10:52:13 PM
Mmmmyep

##Unvote
##Vote Ancient Kaa the Soulless


Kaa:"K just gonna state agreement with this vote on Sorceress just because, even though there isn't an ounce of reason on it I just totally agree"
and then getting on Corpse because corpse is questioning this quite questionable action

also by the way Corpse is totally voting, why are you saying otherwise?

Anyway, I can't see how you can just decide to agree on a vote that doesn't have any reasoning on it. Not that there's anything WRONG with Raka's vote, but your reaction is weird.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Decade on August 29, 2011, 10:54:13 PM
I also think it's weird that you're getting on Corpse for asking you about it. There was nothing wrong with his questions. You even deflected it by interpreting it as asking you for Raka's reasons, when he was asking for yours.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 29, 2011, 10:55:28 PM
Requesting elaboration from Barbarian. When you say reasoning do you mean stated reasoning or are you assuming I have no actual reasoning?

Totally missed Corpse's vote myself, but it's actually irrelevant to what Kaa said. I'd suggest you read the reason Kaa takes issue with Corpse's perceived lack of vote. Kaa is likely town.

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ryuki on August 29, 2011, 10:57:55 PM
I'd like to know what caused Raka to serious vote me first, tbh.

This sounds like an answer to a question that was never asked at you. Something about that just rubs me the wrong way.

Kaa sounds overly reactive and is avoiding questions.

##Unvote
##Vote:Ancient Kaa


Two cuts, T_T
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 29, 2011, 10:58:55 PM
Summoner avoiding the Sorceress wagon is incredibly noted with interest. When Sorc dies and flip scum I'll love to hear you explain.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ryuki on August 29, 2011, 10:59:40 PM
Your strange buddying up with Kaa is also noted, and vice versa.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on August 29, 2011, 11:00:30 PM
Cold Plains Votecount

Barbarian (1.5): Charged Bolt, Corpsefire,
Corpsefire (1): Ancient Kaa
The Summoner (1): Sorceress
Sorceress (2): Rakanishu, Coldcrow
Ancient Kaa the Soulless (3): Bremm Sparkfist, The Summoner, Barbarian
Rakanishu (0.5): Nihlathak

Not voting:: The Countess, Fire Eye, Bloodwitch, Eyeback, Beetleburst

14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
97% time remaining.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Decade on August 29, 2011, 11:01:43 PM
Requesting elaboration from Barbarian. When you say reasoning do you mean stated reasoning or are you assuming I have no actual reasoning?

Totally missed Corpse's vote myself, but it's actually irrelevant to what Kaa said. I'd suggest you read the reason Kaa takes issue with Corpse's perceived lack of vote. Kaa is likely town.
Not assuming you have no reasoning. Simply that you didn't state any. The vote is super early in the game so that doesn't bother me.

I think it's silly to assume Kaa is town so quickly. Just because he (thought) he had a good point against Corpse doesn't make him town. Scum can make good points too.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 29, 2011, 11:03:06 PM
RE: General questioning: I posted that I agreed with Raka figured that he was picking up on the same things I picked up on from Sorceress' post, so saying that I agreed and nothing else let me reveal my opinion and bait opportunistic scum at the same time. Didn't want to actually state my reasons because I figured Raka was up to something with his "nothing" vote and I felt that I might have ruined it if I did.

Both Sorceress' post and vote reeked of scum attempting to simulate townie action without actually taking it. How does "ignoring the first argument" make Summoner scum instead of just a clueless townie or one who would prefer not to jump the gun when several players haven't posted? The comment on Raka is a throwaway line that doesn't actually help us, but makes the Sorceress look like she's doing more than she actually is. A town Sorceress would have no real reason to say that if she wasn't going to follow it up with actual pressing or elaboration.

RE: Barbarian: Corpse's questioning was bad. He tried to make me muddle with another player's playstyle and look like he was actually doing something helpful at the same time, even though he wasn't. I'm also not sure why he needed to help defend Sorceress when she could have done it herself.

I keep getting cut, which is making it hard to actually make this post, let alone keep it short. If I missed something, point it out to me.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 29, 2011, 11:03:31 PM
I think it's silly to assume Kaa is town so quickly. Just because he (thought) he had a good point against Corpse doesn't make him town. Scum can make good points too.
Confirming that Barbarian is town who can't read.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 29, 2011, 11:06:10 PM
Mod, is the votecount correct?

Quote from: Pesco
Ancient Kaa the Soulless (1): Bremm Sparkfist, The Summoner, Barbarian

[pesco]fixed it[/pesco]

@Sorceress: You'll need to go deeper. (http://inception.davepedu.com/) If anyone likes I'll elaborate on why the parallel is inaccurate but I'm sure you all can figure it out.

@Barbarian: Fair enough, I disagree about it being too fast.. There's a lot more than Kaa having good points that makes me lean town on him. Everyone's uncomfortable right now so reads are a little easier for me on some people. I like to get one or two early town reads, it makes me feel better :P.

Annnnd Kaa wins the prize. All of that is exactly why I voted Sorceress. The vote discrepency felt like the strongest point, hence why I chose to use that.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 29, 2011, 11:06:32 PM
EBWOP: Mention of @Sorceress is @Summoner. Stupid S names.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 29, 2011, 11:07:44 PM
Actually, for full disclosure, let me add that the pointing out the votes to lynch felt like faketown noise with a hint of fake!exasperation at MotKTown.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ryuki on August 29, 2011, 11:08:27 PM
Disregard what I was about to post I see where you're coming from now.

##Unvote

I'll wait and see how Sorceress responds before voting her, but let me read some more and catch up on other people.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kiva-la on August 29, 2011, 11:09:50 PM
Both Sorceress' post and vote reeked of scum attempting to simulate townie action without actually taking it. How does "ignoring the first argument" make Summoner scum instead of just a clueless townie or one who would prefer not to jump the gun when several players haven't posted? The comment on Raka is a throwaway line that doesn't actually help us, but makes the Sorceress look like she's doing more than she actually is. A town Sorceress would have no real reason to say that if she wasn't going to follow it up with actual pressing or elaboration.
Why is getting a response like this akin to pulling teeth? Not that I have any teeth to pull but that's besides the point...

I call a misrepresentation of my motives on the defending Sorceress point.
I wanted to hear your reasoning because I could not see it.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 29, 2011, 11:16:51 PM
Why is getting a serious opinion and a serious vote from you in the same post like pulling teeth?

That said, I didn't want to talk about my reasons for disliking Sorceress because Raka evidently had a specific goal in mind with his "nothing" Sorceress vote. I felt that giving my own opinions would have meddled with what he was doing, which is why I waited until he elaborated before I did so.

I interpreted your questioning of me as an indirect defense, especially given that you yourself have yet to give an opinion on Sorceress.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Punch Hopper on August 29, 2011, 11:18:09 PM
Needs more bandwagoning on Sorceress. The human votes on Kaa didn't count so stop wasting your time there.
To Raka: Reactions are so much better a test then the original statement. Shows who wants to find scum instead of defending.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 29, 2011, 11:22:36 PM
Fair enough, I just think her reaction was null.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 29, 2011, 11:22:52 PM
EBWOP: The reactions in general, however, WERE delicious :3.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Punch Hopper on August 29, 2011, 11:36:20 PM
Yeah the Kaa wagon springing up right after was interesting too.
Girls, don't fight. You're both pretty. Come lynch scum with us now.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ryuki on August 29, 2011, 11:46:13 PM
More bandwagoning? Why not!

##Vote: Sorceress
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 29, 2011, 11:51:27 PM
Why so quick to bend to the will of the other players, Summoner? The circumstances give me the impression that you only switched your vote because people told you to do so.

I feel pretty good about the Sorceress wagon, but I don't feel like I'm ready to finish pressing Corpse at this point. If he could make some more posts so I could iron out my read of him, then that'd be great.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ryuki on August 29, 2011, 11:58:19 PM
Because I'm still waiting on Sorc to respond, not much stands out to me right now, and it's better than leaving my vote floating around. And added pressure wouldn't really hurt now, would it?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Faiz on August 30, 2011, 12:01:40 AM
I'm going to read through the Raka/Kaa/Corpse interactions closely after dinner, but first a few things.

@Raka:  I'm still standing by the point that when someone winds up suddenly hammered,  I'm not accepting "whoops didn't know"

Summoner may have thought that the first argument was null on both sides, but the random vote afterwards brought up red flags for me.  Good enough for page 1 at least.

Unvote, vote coming after readthrough
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 30, 2011, 12:11:33 AM
Funnily enough, nothing in Sorceress' latest post makes me want to not vote her. I wonder why that is~?

Still, looking forward to your interaction analysis. You know, the one with no flips. And 2 pages of material. It'll be good, I'm sure ^-^.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ryuki on August 30, 2011, 12:13:46 AM
"Random Votes... Red Flags"
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 30, 2011, 12:22:41 AM
##Unvote
##Vote Sorceress
What the hell? Did you just try to retcon a weak case into an even weaker one? The explanation for your Summoner vote looks like a flimsy excuse, given that your original reasoning made more sense and you did nothing to explain why the random vote brought up red flags for you. That's enough to solidify my scum read of you over my scum read of Corpsefire, because it looks like you're tripping over yourself in a manner that a townie with a townie thought process wouldn't do.

It should be noted that this does not mean Corpsefire is in the clear for me.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Faiz on August 30, 2011, 01:10:12 AM
The main thing that bothers me about the Kaa/Corpse interaction is that Corpse is so focused on Kaa and is evidently playing 20 Questions but has yet to move his random vote.  Opinions on Kaa aside,  I do find that quite telling. FoS Corpse At least Barbarian brought a vote with his skepticism.

As for Raka/Kaa, Raka's plan I don't mind but the fact that they seemed in sync right from the moment Raka put his vote down bothers me.  Getting townie vibes though, Raka moreso.

Everyone else has either been calling for my head or has 1 or 0 posts so can't tell much about them yet  :derp:

Cut@Kaa:  I felt that the immunity argument was enough to get us out of RVS, which is why I didn't like the random vote.  The fact that he decided OOH BANDWAGON before the person he asked for posting for could do so I don't like either.  Vote Summoner
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 30, 2011, 01:48:23 AM
If you don't mind me asking, what's your opinion on Coldcrow?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Faiz on August 30, 2011, 02:03:04 AM
To be honest, of the people that have posted I'd probably say worse than Corpse.  Came in after me with the second vote on Summoner on page 1 (which I'm actually wondering how that didn't go unnoticed, thnking on it), and I'm wondering what her views are on the Kaa wagon after post 54, wrong votecounts be damned.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Punch Hopper on August 30, 2011, 02:07:14 AM
Way to not notice I exist.
Noone is going to whoops a hammer. The vote mechanic was in the first rules page
The votecounts make it obvious.
Too much noise.
Nihlathak needs to exist with a real post this time.
Want more from Barbarian. Don't like this.
Anyway, I can't see how you can just decide to agree on a vote that doesn't have any reasoning on it. Not that there's anything WRONG with Raka's vote, but your reaction is weird.
Sounds like you agreed with it too. There's nothing wrong with it but Kaa thinking it's good is bad. Explain?
The rest of the game needs to exist.

Kaa wagon is bad. Feelings done.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on August 30, 2011, 05:46:56 AM
Oh, wow I was not expecting this to start so early.
brb readan.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on August 30, 2011, 06:28:56 AM
The Cave Votecount

Barbarian (1.5): Charged Bolt, Corpsefire,
Sorceress (4): Rakanishu, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Ancient Kaa
Ancient Kaa the Soulless (2): Bremm Sparkfist, Barbarian
Rakanishu (0.5): Nihlathak
The Summoner (1): Sorceress

Not voting:: The Countess, Fire Eye, Bloodwitch, Eyeback, Beetleburst

14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
89% time remaining.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on August 30, 2011, 07:21:45 AM
Early opinions yay!!!
It probably isn't the right time for this but oh well.
Corpsefire:
Started an argument with Rakanishu, not looking good for either of them, but I think it looks worse for Corpsefire as he appears to lag behing Raka. But
last game it turned out that the stronger arguer was scum, so he could possibly be town (doesn't mean I definitely think he is though). Kaa's #15
definitely brings up a good point though. He looks suspicious but I don't think he looks that bad. Neutral leaning slightly scum.
I would like someone to explain the real case.

Coldcrow:
Seems suspicious. Almost like someone who is very arrogant in a bad way. It also seems as if he might want the day to hurry up and end too. The
mention of bandwagoning is suspicious. Only scum would want to quicklynch someone like that without good evidence(unless Sorceress is
Shadoweh. In that case I'm fine with a quicklynch
). The mention about the vote mechanic in the first page isn't really a reason for anything
considering what happened in CotA with the talk about plurality lynches. Though I definitely agree that the Kaa wagon is bad. Neutral leaning slightly
scum.

Ancient Kaa the Soulless:
Kaa is definitely looking townish to me. Not saying he definitely is town but instead saying he looks like it. He appeared to get off to a rough start but I
don't think he was all that bad. His reasoning seems good enough and he definitely has enough content (though I won't judge those much just yet, as
not everyone has posted to my knowledge).

Summoner:
First post could've definitely done with some more to it. Then ends up claiming everyone looks the same, I know that few people had actually posted by
then but there were definitely some suspicious people then. It's almost as if he doesn't want to try and read the game much. Third on the Kaa wagon
doesn't look that good. The strange gap of activity also seems slightly suspicious as it happened during all that drama about Raka and Corpse IIRC, it's as
if he was trying to avoid talking about that, but I'm not going to judge that either as it could possibly be that he was doing something else. Pretty much
all of his posts are one liners (the only ones that aren't are ones with votes and unvotes in them). I think he is leaning scum.

Rakanishu:
I think he is looking townish. He certainly is showing good activity levels (though it is early game so it's not too important), and I understand why he was
talking about claiming immunities. Althought I'm curious as to how this would've played out if our immunities weren't already displayed. He is making
enough sense to me. He does look like he is doing a bit of tunneling on Sorceress though. He is looking town to me.

Sorceress:
I don't neccesarily think Sorceress is that scummy. She is a little suspicious but not so suspicious it's scummy. I understand her stance on accidental
lynching (though I don't really think there will be any this game either). I'm not sure I really like all the hate that she's been getting (especially from
Summoner who doesn't look that good). Her post #61 didn't look good at all though. Isn't looking too good but isn't looking too bad either IMO.
Leaning possible scum but gut says derptown, so I'm really unsure of what to think of her at the moment. Also she keeps forgetting these (##).
I would definitely like someone to explain the real case on her.

So let's vote!
##Vote: Summoner

Also sorry if the format is a bit annoying as I typed this up in notepad.
And I'm going somewhere for the next 3-4 hours so I can't post during that time. I will try to post after that time though.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Sasword on August 30, 2011, 07:28:59 AM
## Vote Fire Eye
because fire is scary...
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kiva-la on August 30, 2011, 07:34:24 AM
Uhh, Countess, did you just place the Sorceress at L1?

-Reading the rest of the game again now-
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kiva-la on August 30, 2011, 07:59:52 AM
First of all, I completely apologize to Rakanishu about my first post.
I somehow failed to read the "actually against" part of the post.

Since Kaa's response, I've had nothing against the guy.

For now, I'm going to put my vote here.
##Vote The Summoner
The Summoner's first post appears to be an indirect method of trying to push my case. (which I admit was completely wrong because I failed to read)
Afterwards, instead of even trying to analyze the events that had just occurred, The Summoner instead returns to RVS.
I am also going to ask The Summoner for an updated read on Kaa.
In addition, you hop onto the bandwagon started by Kaa and Rakanishu. You know, two people that you had pegged as your ED1 scum reads?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on August 30, 2011, 08:04:00 AM
Burial Grounds Votecount

Barbarian (0.5): Charged Bolt
Sorceress (4): Rakanishu, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Ancient Kaa
Ancient Kaa the Soulless (2): Bremm Sparkfist, Barbarian
Rakanishu (0.5): Nihlathak
The Summoner (3): Sorceress, The Countess, Corpsefire
Fire Eye (1): Bloodwitch

Not voting:: Fire Eye, Eyeback, Beetleburst

14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
88% time remaining.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on August 30, 2011, 11:17:40 AM
I'm back everyone. If you need me, just holler.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: W on August 30, 2011, 12:21:15 PM
Catch up time, bloody time zones. Lets see what we got here. Plenty of facepalming and lots, I mean lots of eye blinding posts. Wait, must be because my eyes are constantly on fire.

Sorceress, you need to start drinking more magic potions or something or start showing some serious magic. Because just questioning why some early voting occurred is just making be believe you are a fake sorc with fake magic. #65, you start making SOMEWHAT sense, but not enough?

Seriously now, it even made me frown deep to see Ancient Kaa out of the blue agreeing on Rakanishu. Not once but twice he got called to clarify his odd behaviour. And then responds that Rakanishu's  "reasoning" was not enough to move his? What? So what was your reasoning? Exactly, you never told us. Later on he comes up with "case" on Sorc joining the bandwagon. Suspicious for me. Especially how he calls out someone on "weak explanation" while he gave in my eyes nothing better.

The summoner, wait wait wait. You said you would "wait and see Sorc's" reply after unvoting. Now joining also the bandwagon? Is it me or am I getting scummy buddy vibes from you and Kaa? Also your explanation is worse (none existant) than Kaa's.

##Vote The Summoner

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kiva-la on August 30, 2011, 12:33:53 PM
Uhh, Countess, did you just place the Sorceress at L1?

-Reading the rest of the game again now-
Again, I can't read.
Just clarifying this.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Skull on August 30, 2011, 12:45:35 PM
Funnily enough, nothing in Sorceress' latest post makes me want to not vote her. I wonder why that is~?

Still, looking forward to your interaction analysis. You know, the one with no flips. And 2 pages of material. It'll be good, I'm sure ^-^.

I don't like how needlessly condemning this post is.
The second line in particular. It says Sorceress has no chance of having the bandwagon on herself removed because anything she posts will only be day one strong ... in a game that's still on day one.
If it's so pointless, we might as well just Quicklynch her.

Also, pointing out the L-6 thing is a nulltell. Sure, it generates useless noise, but so would the Immunities discussion if it wasn't already posted for us. The discussion coming up like that, and then saying it would be town not to claim immunities sounds much more "Look at me faking town" where as pointing out the L-6 reads more surprised town to me.

I don't see what's so scummy about Summoner waiting to vote, either. Between Summoner and Kaa, Sorc would be put at L-1, and earlier Corpsefire just yelled at someone for supposedly putting Sorc at L-1, so which side is right?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Decade on August 30, 2011, 01:31:01 PM
As of Raa's #46 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704685.html#msg704685) I can see and understand his actions. Don't have problems with him anymore.

I also think it's weird that you're getting on Corpse for asking you about it. There was nothing wrong with his questions. You even deflected it by interpreting it as asking you for Raka's reasons, when he was asking for yours.
Also, this was wrong and I can't read. Sorry, my mistake. This avatar style just makes it easier for me to miss posts... it has a surprisingly large effect on my ability to interpret forum format. I'll probably get used to it soon.

##Unvote

With my freshly-awoken-from-sleep mind, I also realize now that Kaa DID have a good point against Corpsefire. It's not anything condemning against the zombie, but I'll keep it in mind.

Quote from: Coldcrow
Sounds like you agreed with it too. There's nothing wrong with it but Kaa thinking it's good is bad. Explain?
I didn't agree with it. I just didn't find anything wrong with it. Kaa agreeing with a vote that has no reasoning behind it was weird, because there isn't anything to agree with other then a general feeling of "Oh sorceress is scummy". It looked like sheeping, as was said by someone(Corpsefire?) earlier. But anyway, I'm reading Kaa as town now.

Bloodwitch is sigh because random vote. We're a bit past RVS now, as you can see! We'd like a real case. Still early D1, so weak is fine, but please vote someone for SOME kind of actual reason.

Don't have any reads to post further then that (Except for reading Kaa/Raka as town now) because it's still ED1 and I don't feel I have enough on anyone else to make an opinion.

Summoner wagon is okay to me. I'm not going to put my vote on it though because it'd set him at L-1 already. He also hasn't posted since before the first vote was placed on him, and I'd like to see what he has to say before deciding whether I want to throw my full support in that direction or not.

Nih's statement about Summoner's voting is a misrep because at the time, it only would have put Sorc at L-2. I dunno, I see stuff in Nih's post, but GUT =D keeps telling me it feels empty and consists of tunneling and a minor/somewhat inaccurate defense on Summoner and that overall it looks worth "HMMMM"ing at. LOGIC D= tells me there's nothing wrong with his post. Bleh. I'll decide when there's more from him to look at.

Oh yes, I have a vote to use. ...but other then pressuring Summoner to respond (But it'd set him at L-1, so) there isn't anyone I feel right about using it on. We'll see how things go when I get back from obligations that are going to occupy my time for... the next 6~8 hours. Yep, see you.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Decade on August 30, 2011, 01:32:38 PM
Oh, I peeked over my post again and remember Bloodwitch exists and is sigh for random voting at this point of the game.

This is much better then not voting and I feel it's a good use of my vote and I'm banging my head into my desk for not realizing I should do this about 15 seconds ago before I hit "Post".

##Vote Bloodwitch

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 30, 2011, 01:39:23 PM
Let's play why Countess's opinions are pretty fucking awful and useless noise!

Corpse opinion: "Raka and Corpse look bad in the argument and Corpse is worse but last game Corpse wasn't worse but Kaa said something relevant about him but I think he's suspicious but not suspicious"
FENCE SITTTTTTTTTTTTT

Coldcrow opinion: "Cold is suspicious because he's arrogant and trying to move the game fast and also something about votes that I'm admitting doesn't mean anything, but you know, he has a point about that Kaa wagon. He's only SLIGHTLY scum"
A little better, I'll give you 2 points. Out of 500.

Ancient Kaa opinion: "KAA IS TOWN. EXCEPT MAYBE NOT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BLOCK OFF A MISLYNCH! ALSO HIS CONTENT IS GOOD BUT IF OTHER PEOPLE SAY IT'S BAD IT'S BAD!"
Are you allergic to having an outright town read or something?

Summoner opinion: "Wiki tell, :effort:, activity gap (incidentally the most damning thing you came up with, and then you proceed to...) OH WAIT ACTIVITY GAP ISN'T IMPORTANT! Also conciseness is scum!"
Well at least you manage to FINALLY post without undercutting your opinion EVERY OTHER SENTENCE. Too bad the case is bad.

Raka opinions: "HE'S LOOKING TOWN! I LITERALLY FORGOT EVERYTHING I SAID IN THE CORPSEFIRE SENTENCE SO THAT I COULD PRETEND TO HAVE A SOLID OPINION"
Seriously, what the fuck is up with that discrepency?

Sorceress (Countess' buddy, for those following at home) opinions: "SHE'S SUSPICIOUS BECAUSE THE TOWN WOULD JUMP ON ME IF I SAY SHE'S NOT, BUT SHE'S NOT SCUMMY SO I'M GONNA CALL HER NEUTRAL AND HOPE NO ONE NOTICES! WAIT WAIT, POST 61 DOESN'T LOOK GOOD...
...
...
OH BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK BAD EITHER. (whew, for a second I thought you TOOK AN ACTUAL STANCE. Geez, I would have had to rewrite this WHOLE NARRATIVE if you went and did something like that!) ALSO WHY BOTHER READING THE GAME WHERE KAA EXPLAINED THE CASE PRETTY WELL! (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704685.html#msg704685)"

Yeah, seriously.

##Unvote, ##Vote Countess

CONGRATS ON BEING WORSE THAN SORCERESS! Lemme finish catching up.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 30, 2011, 01:44:50 PM
Corpse: Uh, that was Summoner Countess voted. As for your next post, no problem, I should have laid off the ad hom. As for the soceress vote, I don't like it. I like your REASONS, but your bedfellows are simply awful. It feels like a counterwagon to sorc scum (I'm aware I'm voting Countess but seriously they're both scum). Could you consider the Countess case, at least, if you don't like Sorceress?

Fire Eye: Don't like how you're throwing as much as you can to see what sticks. Further, your case on Kaa is FAR better than your case on Summoner. I'm REALLY uncomfortable with this Summoner wagon, guys.

@Nih: That's nice. HOW ABOUT YOU POST SOME ACTUAL FUCKING OPINIONS, K THX

I swear to god there are too many scum in this game. But, Countess and Sorceress NEED DEATH.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Skull on August 30, 2011, 01:51:10 PM
Those were my opinions.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 30, 2011, 01:54:04 PM
No, they weren't. That was a contentless ball of fluff to make you look like you were playing the game. FROM that post, no one can conclude who you think is scum. Hell, we can't figure out your reads on ANYONE. The BEST I can figure out is that you MAYBE think I'm scum. But you're too scared to outright say that, so you're just poking at it. You're not even serious voting anyone, unless you'd like to upgrade that "random vote" on me to serious. And if you do...oooh, I'm going to have FUN with that :3.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 30, 2011, 01:55:01 PM
Also I see Barbarian cut me but I chose not to read it because I wanted to get my countess stuff out. Having read it NOW, it's kind of weak and I sadface as him thinking the summoner wagon is at all ok, given who's on it. I'd like him to read Countess and see what his GUT =D tells him.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on August 30, 2011, 02:03:46 PM
Corpse opinion: "Raka and Corpse look bad in the argument and Corpse is worse but last game Corpse wasn't worse but Kaa said something relevant about him but I think he's suspicious but not suspicious"
This line reeks of horrible misrepping. Enough for me to make a post about it.
I said that last game the stronger arguer was scum (in that case Youmu who picked a fight or was involved in a fight with two other people at different posint in the game). I never said that Corpse wasn't worse last game. I just said that based on the events of last game, it's not really a strong tell.
Also this huge amount of force is bad, I CAN MAKE YOU LOOK BAD TOO WITH CAPITAL LETTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SEE, IT'S WORKING YOU MISREPPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MISREPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!
I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU PROVIDE OPINIONS ON EVERYONE ELSE THAT HAD SOME SIGNIFICANCE IN THE GAME SO FAR (meaning everyone I mentioned (excluding yourself because you're a misrepper)) (or at least link to the post/s you made it in if I can't read right).
Also my town read of you has gone down so much. I thought you were one of the towniest so far. Townie enough that you looked good enough even after the argument with Corpsefire (which is why I didn't mention it in your paragraph).

Rant end. (I admit I exaggerated a bit but that was to let out the anger that randomly appeared.)

@Nihlatak: I too agree that that wasn't an opinions post. I couldn't make heads or tails of it either.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on August 30, 2011, 02:05:26 PM
I also asked why people thought Sorceress and Corpsefire were scummy. As I could not see how they were scummy (call me blind if you have to).
So if you're going to accuse me of fencesitting then maybe you should cater to my needs first.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Skull on August 30, 2011, 02:21:36 PM
How is voting you "Too scared to say it outright?"
How is voicing my problems with Raka's line of attack not combine with the fact that I'm not unvoting him not mean "I think he's scum?"
How is saying "What Sorc did was a Nulltell" not an opinion on Sorc? How is "But the Immunities discussion is" not an additional opinion on Raka?
Why are you trying to discredit my post without even commenting on what's in it?

being loud doesn't make you in the right, and it certainly doesn't make you not scum.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on August 30, 2011, 02:32:20 PM
I think what you really needed to do was to state your stances clearly at the end of each opinion.
That way we have a good idea on what you think.
And based on your last sentence (of the whole post), I really want to do this.
@Rakanishu: That's nice. HOW ABOUT YOU POST SOME ACTUAL FUCKING OPINIONS, K THX
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ouja on August 30, 2011, 02:36:09 PM
I don't like Rakanishu, Countess, Kaa, Summoner and Sorceress.

Rakanishu I don't like for making a vote, then refusing to explain it and letting Kaa bring out the reasoning. I know this is standard for her play, but there is something inherently wrong for me when someone else validates your vote for you. Rakanishu, do Kaa's stated reasons mirror yours exactly? Can we call you out on them for the sake of bookkeeping? The case on Countess I find more solid, although I'm less pleased with the beliggerent attitude. The early spat regarding Immunities I regard as a null tell on both sides, and I regard Corpsefire's eagerness as null as well; town could be just as excited to jump onto something Day 1.

For the Countess, I don't like the wishywashiness in that wall and the uncertainty all around. "Seems" is a bad word in my dictionary, that's reporting. What someone 'seems' to be doing is something we all can observe. The stated reasons for Sorceress and Corpsefire suspicions have all been posted, why do you ask people to recap it in lieu of denying the accusation?

As for Kaa,
Quote
[I posted that I agreed with Raka figured that he was picking up on the same things I picked up on from Sorceress' post, so saying that I agreed and nothing else let me reveal my opinion and bait opportunistic scum at the same time.]
I hate people attempting to be Wile E. Coyote and placing traps, if only because the odds of grabbing opportunistic scum over MotK Town are about equal. The blind assumption that Raka and you were on the same page is odd in a game where you have no certainties of alignment.  What added value did "I agree" have for the game, other than attempts to 'trap'?

When I evaluate the Summoner, I notice only wishywashy jumping with his vote. I understand the Sorceress' criticism when he states that "everyone is equal" despite the spat coming before him; if he acknowledged that had happened and decreed that was a null read for him nonetheless, it would lend for more clarity. I am suspicious of Summoner for blatant bandwagon hopping and his follow up post being meaningless without explanation. His laziness in pursuing the scum this game is unbecoming.

Finally, the Sorceress fails to impress me by calling the Summoner out on the initial spat but consequently absenting her own opinions about it. That she later claims her case was because he random-posted weakens her case and makes my regard of her plummet. Thankfully for her, not enough to place her to top of the scum list for me.

##Vote The Countess, in accordance with the above. What correlation is there between the claimed fencesitting and the recap of the opinions of others that makes you inable to explain the former? What reason is there to go "mea culpa" over posting a wall of early reads while believing it is the inappropriate time for it? I believe you are scummiest out of the five I posted.


Nithlatak: Allow me to clarify: your post contains only disagreements, with no suggestions on who is scum instead. Do not debunk others' opinions without providing them an alternative. Laziness in providing this makes you seem more scummy than town. Why is the Rakanishu case superior to any of the cases posted so far? Think carefully about this answer, because a wrong answer will earn you my vote.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 30, 2011, 02:53:20 PM
It's funny how the town read goes away when I correctly call you out on fence sitting bullshit. I don't consider it a misrep for me to say that you are implying that the Corpse analogue last game, being the weaker analogue, somehow makes it possible he's not scum, despite everything else you have on him.

I should have probably made it more clear that what I'm attacking is the fact you're defending the weaker arguer PURELY because he's the weaker arguer, after you've attacked him. It's a fence sit.

Nih: Random vote. I had no reason to believe it wasn't until now. But I do appreciate you finally outright saying it. I see nothing to defend against nor am I really interested in defending against likely scum.
Once again, random vote. People like coasting on those, eh?
It's not an opinion, it's empty reportering.
I'm commenting now, right? Your entire post  has no obvious opinions on who is scum It's scummy because it's a wiggle room post. Things not working out with your case on me, you just say "I never said she was SCUM". Your "opinions" on Summoner and Sorceress are more or less defenses of them, as if they can't make their own. But it doesn't tell me who is scum.

Anyway, I'm feeling guilty after all the meanness, so I'll be beneficent and explain why I said what I did. Interaction analysis 2 pages in is going to be useless. You kind of misrepped me by saying that she couldn't beat the wagon off her (though honestly I don't want her to, she's scum). If she had said simply she was going to look for scum in the first two pages, I'd have rolled with it. Such a specific style that's not very helpful so early is worthy of scorn.

@Eyeback: I honestly don't care what you think of my play. If you think it's scummy, vote me. If you don't like, deal with it. As for my reasoning, let me post what I put in my thoughts QT after making the vote:

Sorceress is scum. For those watching at home, the three reasons are:
Bad vote on summoner while suspecting me.
Suspecting me for an emotional reaction to Corpsefire, but not actively pursuing this.
Fake!effort with pointing out how many it takes to lynch.

I hope that answers your question sufficiently?

As for Countess, I really appreciate you restating my case. That actually isn't sarcasm.

I agree Summoner is being lazy, but it's town lazy, if only for the RIDICULOUS awfulness of the people voting her.  However, I WOULD appreciate more posts from Summoner before I give her my fullest protection.

Your case on Kaa feels like a playstyle difference, as does your case on me. You SORT of seem to recognize this, but, ah, how was it, 'just for bookkeeping purposes', do you think we're scum or do you literally just not like us?

Either way, even if you don't like me you're my new favorite <3 <3 <3!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 30, 2011, 02:56:43 PM
EBWOP: I should make it clear that I think the strength of an arguer is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to their alignment, so it's even the MENTION of it that feels like fence sitty padding. Secondly, if you actually read my posts, I've been posting opinions on everyone. I just don't see any reason to make a wall of noise about them. If you seriously can't figure out who I think is scum, then this might not be the game for you.

Secondly, Countess, I actually linked you to Kaa explaining why Sorceress is scummy. Once again, you can either ready the game, or you can be ignored because you're not putting any effort into it.

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on August 30, 2011, 03:08:19 PM
@Eyeback: I may "seem" (ha) wishywashy because I am undecided on them and want to wait for more posts to judge them better. I was asking for the cases because for some reason I can't see why they are scummy. If someone highlights it then I will definitely notice why you all think they are scummy. Because I just can not see it.
The reason why I thought it was an inapproprite time was because I thought it might be a little early but I wanted to get a post out there to show that I wasn't actually just sitting around and waiting.
If you were to say you were reading the game, wouldn't you have made a post about what you thought?

In my dictionary, "seems" means that it looks to me like this is actually what it is.
e.g "It seems as if everyone doesn't get my way of thinking, and that makes me very mad."

Cut by Raka:
Do you even read? I was never defending Corpse. I was stating that he wasn't definitely scum by that tell alone. Even in the rest of my opinions on him I don't really defend him in any way. Sure I say I think he isn't that bad, but that is just a personal opinion, not a defense.
I admit to fencesitting, but it's only fencesitting due to low information. The only reason I lost the town read on you was because all that misrep aggravated me so much.
Thank you for finally pointing out the case on Sorceress. I actualy understand where you guys are coming from now. I obviously couldn't see why because I'm blind.
Soreceress is now leaning scum.
Cut by Raka again:
I read what Kaa said when he explained why Sorceress was scummy but my brain was failing and I couldn't make any sense of it. In fact, I actually reread the game at least once and ISO'ed the people with the biggest impact on the game at that time before I made my post. So don't bother calling me out on not reading the game (you can call me out for not making sense of it though, as that's a problem I admit to having).
Also after your recent posts I can see who you think is scum now. Sometimes you just have to state it clearly for me to understand.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kick Hopper on August 30, 2011, 04:28:24 PM
@Bloodwitch the Wild: I agree with Barbarian. Explain your vote. Its not RVS.

@Summoner: You first declared you would wait for Sorcerer to post. Yet immediately afterwards you vote Sorcerer. Then you only post your reasons AFTER asked. You also required someone to encourage you before you voted. Neutral leaning scum

@Sorcerer: When you answered Kaa, you replied Corpsefire is better then Coldcrow. Yet you rather FoS Corpsefire instead of Coldcrow who is worse then Corpsefire. I find you to be contradicting yourself. Your action did not match your words. Leaning scum.

@Countess: You said you are not just sitting around and waiting. However, your post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704930.html#msg704930) does not have anything that reaches out to "active scumhunting". Lying?

##Unvote
##Vote Countess
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 30, 2011, 04:44:42 PM
@ Barbarian: It bugs me that you ignored Sorceress in your large post. What's your current opinion of her?

@ Eyeback: For what it's worth, I felt I had a fairly town read of Raka from her first few posts. But aside from that, I figured that the "I agree" post would help me develop reads on others, because it would most likely garner reactions - note that this was not only for finding opportunistic scum, seeing as Barbarian's posts involving his vote on me are why I have a town read on him right now (can't really explain it properly though, sorry). Also, do you have any town reads at all? I dislike that you're basically throwing out suspicion against roughly a third of the playerbase. It gives you too much legroom for jumping onto wagons later on.

I am having trouble understanding the case on Countess because I DO NOT WANT TO READ THAT POST FORMATTING FIRST FUCKING THING IN THE MORNING. Okay. Can somebody please sum up the case on her using direct citations from her posts rather than just mocking representations of her? I'm sorry if it seems like I'm trying to avoid reading her large post, but I seriously go cross-eyed everytime I parse it. I will say that regardless of the actual case, her stating that "MY TOWN READ OF RAKA HAS GONE DOWN SO MUCH" just because of Raka's vote looks a lot like she's trying to mudsling and/or demoralize her attacker, which is ugh.

Nihlathak strikes me as if he's trying too hard to sound like he's the only sane townie, if that makes sense. I don't think he's scum, though.

I dislike the Summoner wagon. It feels like people are just picking on a target who doesn't take much effort to attack. As such, I remain nervous about Sorceress and Corpsefire.

Sorceress is still the absolute worst to me, because aside from all the problems with her initial post, I feel that her stance on Summoner isn't very fluid, and that she's constantly stumbling over herself in the manner scum with poorly thought-out cases would. Corpsefire and Eyeback both irritate me, but Corpsefire is closer to the scummy kind of irritation, while Eyeback is more just rubbing me the wrong way by suspecting five people at once in a 14-player D1. Speaking of people who rub me the wrong way, Coldcrow's first few posts bugged me on gut to a ridiculous extent, but I can't actually find anything wrong with them. Bleh. I'll think all of this over later, preferably once I'm awake enough to read Countess properly too.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 30, 2011, 04:55:29 PM
@Countess: About me reading and you defending Corpse, I meant you start off by saying he looks worse, then you defend it by saying he was the worse arguer. It felt like you were attacking your own case? Secondly, if there's low information, why would you bother making a post of "reads" on six people when it's really only reads on one and wishy washyness on the other 5? Actually, I MAY give you two people, but you weren't very convicted for the second one.

@Kaa: I'm still awaiting Eyeback's answer Re: You and I. I feel like he only has three scum reads and two exasperated sighs. As for Countess, what I was trying to illustrate, albeit a bit rudely, was the fact that her first serious post is a series of "opinions" on people that doesn't actually say anything. It looks like fake effort and leaves her even more of that precious wiggle room than our friend Eyeback has. As for Nih...MAYBE. I'm starting to reach too many scums myself :P.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on August 30, 2011, 05:02:03 PM
The Crypt Votecount

Barbarian (0.5): Charged Bolt
Sorceress (3): Coldcrow, The Summoner, Ancient Kaa
Rakanishu (0.5): Nihlathak
The Summoner (4): Sorceress, The Countess, Corpsefire, Fire Eye
Fire Eye (1): Bloodwitch
Bloodwitch (1): Barbarian
The Countess (3): Rakanishu, Eyeback, Bremm Sparkfist

Not voting:: Beetleburst

14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
84% time remaining.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 30, 2011, 05:03:48 PM
I tried to read Countess' post, and to be honest, I'm interpreting the waffly opinions themselves as being more the fault of an off-kilter player than an alignment. The amount of IIoA is something I regard as scummy, though - I would expect it to be used to help us understand how she drew her conclusions, but it's just kind of placed there without tying into anything and it makes her opinions seems kind of... I don't know, forced. I still really dislike the overreaction to your vote, too. For now, I think she's a good lynch, but I consider Sorceress to be the better target.

I can see what you mean about Eyeback, but that's certainly not how he explained it. I don't really consider him a serious lynch target today like I consider Sorceress, Countess and Corpsefire to be, he's more like one of the people I'm just sort of wary of (along with Coldcrow).

Cut by votecount. If it comes down to Summoner vs Countess at deadline, I'd definitely switch to Countess.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 30, 2011, 05:46:39 PM
On further review, add Bremm to the list of "people I wouldn't lynch today, but am wary of".
Something about the cases he's pushing and the way he pushes them doesn't set right with me. Except I can't put it into proper words.

Now I probably have the same problem that I have with Eyeback. <_< Bleh.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ryuki on August 30, 2011, 05:50:24 PM
Alright, let's get today started!

It's a beautiful morning!

I'd like to know what caused Raka to serious vote me first, tbh.

This post feels wrong. First off, it's worded like an answer. Second, it's an answer to... what question? Third, the fact that it's an answer instead of a question. Defensive stance. Know who likes to play defense more than scumhunting?

http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704797.html#msg704797

You read the game to come out with... a FOS? And voting me simply because I said "Bandwagon!"? Just because I didn't state reasons doesn't mean I didn't have reasons to join the bandwagon. And the vote wasn't suddenly random out of nowhere. And your scummy reads don't explain WHY they're scummy. Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 30, 2011, 05:58:07 PM
On FURTHER further review, Eyeback probably isn't bad as my initial reaction to his post made me think. I re-read his post and realized that the way he presented the cases he wasn't voting on didn't actually give him much room to switch to them today without raising a few eyebrows. Damn it, I have no reading comprehension. Coldcrow and Bremm still give me a bad feeling, though.

I like Summoner's recent post, but would appreciate it if he gave opinions on the potential lynches for the day other than Sorceress. I don't understand why the majority seems to be lynching him right now either way.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Punch Hopper on August 30, 2011, 06:01:34 PM
I love you too Kaa but you're still town.

Coldcrow:
Seems suspicious. Almost like someone who is very arrogant in a bad way. It also seems as if he might want the day to hurry up and end too. The mention of bandwagoning is suspicious. Only scum would want to quicklynch someone like that without good evidence(unless Sorceress is Shadoweh. In that case I'm fine with a quicklynch). The mention about the vote mechanic in the first page isn't really a reason for anything considering what happened in CotA with the talk about plurality lynches. Though I definitely agree that the Kaa wagon is bad. Neutral leaning slightly scum.
I wanted the day to hurry up. Not end. Stating I was trying to quicklynch someone is a misrep.
Bandwagons give town something to comment on. Notice how fluidly we evaded the RVS stage?
I'll tell you a secret. I think Sorceress is leaning town. Overdefensive scum would have noticed my vote on him for no reason.
Mob mentality makes everyone agree to see shadows that aren't there.
What else. Nihlathak is town but a VI. Rakanishu is town. Corpsefire is likely town for setup reasons.
Countess is scum for a false dicotomy. You state Corpsefire started an argument with Rakanishu and imply it looks bad for both of them. Why do you have to pick a side? Both can be town. But later you say Rakanishu is town. If you think one of the people in this argument is scum and you think Rakanishu is town that makes Corpsefire what to you?
Rereading that post brings me pain. My vote is half effective on Countess. Finding somewhere effective.

##Unvote
##Vote: The Barbarian


You are voting Bloodwitch for random voting.
But your vote itself is just a worthless prod.
You only think one person is scum? That's not good enough. Make reads now.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ryuki on August 30, 2011, 06:04:15 PM
@Corpsefire

You're pretty much a non-entity, aren't you? You don't look like honest scumhunting. What's so scummy about returning to RVS so soon?
My first post was just to get clarification on one specific part of Raka's post because it stood out in a weird way.
I peg Kaa as town since I found how I couldn't read, found out what he was talking about in regards to you, and posted a case on Sorc.
Same thing with Raka. I just noted the connection for later, should it be a factor in the later days after a couple of flips.
You are scummy, but a non-priority right now.

2 cuts. More posts to come still
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 30, 2011, 06:09:39 PM
RE: Coldcrow: Why are you letting the set-up control your votes and opinions? Just because a vote is ineffective doesn't mean it doesn't count. The unexplained clear on Corpsefire is pretty flimsy too.

Regarding Barb, I think you're mistaking a townie genuinely being lost and having no leads for a scum parking their vote. Scum!Barb would have waited until he had a more concrete read to vote as to not draw fire with an empty unvote. Amusingly enough, I think your vote looks somewhat like a votepark as well, given that you're conveniently avoiding voting the Countess (which you shouldn't be).

Sorceress wagon dying out makes me sad. There were more reasons she was scum than "being overly defensive".
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Punch Hopper on August 30, 2011, 06:26:46 PM
Ineffective doesn't count. If .5 is needed it will be there.
I don't want to point it out further. Read the votecounts and it will become clear to you.
I didn't ask you about Barbarian. What you think doesn't tell me anything about him.
Let people defend themselves.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ryuki on August 30, 2011, 06:29:01 PM
 :V Seems people are pushing my
Quote
everybody looks the same.
I'll just clarify exactly what I meant by that. Scroll down any page. Look towards your left. See the avatars? It gets really confusing looking for posts.

EBWOP: Also, Corpsefire, you're very narrow in your opinions, going only one at a time on what's popular and avoiding everything else. You mentioned nothing else, and your jump on me is very suspicious because it looks like you're following the trend of votes, which was voting me.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 30, 2011, 06:30:16 PM
Oh, actually, wait just one fucking minute.

Coldcrow, you think Sorceress is leaning town? When you called for a bandwagon on her just yesterday? Yeah, no, that's not going to fly. There's a difference between trying to trap opportunistic scum and trying to trap townies into becoming mislynches. "Mob mentality makes everyone agree to see shadows that aren't there"? This is the same kind of fake!motktownhate that Raka was calling out Sorceress for, only worse because you're using it to springboard into an unvote. I don't think town would want to avoid voting Countess over set-up speculation either. You're trying to avoid being caught on a bandwagon and parking your vote on a confused townie in the meantime.

##Unvote
##Vote Coldcrow

Sorceress is still terribadawful but I would be willing to pull a Demon Navarus and lynch you on gut if people were willing. Barb is still town.

DOUBLE-CUT! Coldcrow's recent post doesn't change my opinion at all. Her vote would still break ties in the Countess' wagon's favor.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Punch Hopper on August 30, 2011, 06:49:57 PM
Somehow I thought someone would react that way. Sorceress was null before with a slight scum tinge for overreacting. I think she's leaning misunderstood town now.  The wagon was built around people agreeing with Rakanishu because who doesn't want to agree with Raka? But the posts come off as clueless as you seem to think Barbarian is, especially since Sorceress did the exact same 'empty unvote' that you're saying Scum!Barbarian would never do. Why is it bad on one person but good on another?

Before you run off cheering about how oh noes, you caught me, exactly who I was trapping? I'm entirely serious when I say I wanted to make a wagon for the sake of there being an early wagon so we could get that out of our systems. Sorceress wasn't in any real danger from it.

And it's not fake MotKTown Hate. It's psychology. If five people say a person is bad, the sixth will want to agree just to fit in with the crowd. I'm jumping out of the crowd. I'm a rebel like that. I'm going to ignore the comment about breaking ties because it assumes the votes everywhere won't change when we still have 88% of the day left.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 30, 2011, 07:15:58 PM
Where did Sorceress make an empty unvote? The only unvote I recall from her was while she was in the middle of analyzing the thread, which is different from an empty unvote as far as I'm concerned. Barb's would have been empty had he not placed it on Bloodwitch for the sake of voting. I don't think Sorceress looks clueless, I think she looks like scum tripping over her own inconsistant opinions.

Calling for a wagon on a townie is still not a good thing to do, because it sets up townies for easy case pushing after the wagonee's flip, which basically fits into scum's agenda. We were already leaving RVS at the point you made that post, but if you wanted an earlygame wagon, why couldn't you have pushed for an earlygame wagon on somebody whose posts you thought were specifically scummy rather than only slightly? That seems like an excuse to push townies.The fact that you're so nonchalant that you called for more votes on somebody who you suddenly think leans town seriously bugs me.

The mob mentality line is ugh because you basically were discrediting the Sorceress wagon as human error causing townies to mimic the case you had feigned, when nobody was actually doing that. It looks like an attempt to make yourself seem smarter than the rest of the wagon. I do not understand why a townie would have wanted to even keep that line in their post given how irrelevent it was. Also, I can't speak for Summoner, but I disliked Sorceress before it was cool Raka voted her. <_<
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Punch Hopper on August 30, 2011, 07:33:50 PM
I'm talking about the one here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704728.html#msg704728). You do realize she unvoted and then voted for the same person? It's an empty unvote because she might as well not have unvoted at all.

You're still assuming I was trying to get Sorceress lynched in the first page, and that I instantly thought she was town. I had a suspicion of lashing out at attackers. By putting the spotlight on her I've decided she's more interested at looking at other people. It might not be the reason you thought she was suspicious, but it was mine. I'm not going to protect her from all the infidels but I'm going to give her a chance to breathe.

I get the feeling you think I'm discrediting you in particular since you're on the wagon. I think your points are valid things she should answer. I'm not sure they're as condemning as you think they are. I will point you to the number of people that have mentioned Sorceress looks bad simply because there's a wagon on her without voting her. That's the mob mentality I mean.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 30, 2011, 07:56:10 PM
Urgh.
I don't particularly have anything to say to that other than "oh, fair enough". I misunderstood the intent of your Sorceress vote was and thought you were trying to pass off an action I read as scummy as pro-town because of this. Your posts still irk me on gut like Bremm's do, though, but that's not enough to make me want to keep voting you now that I actually understand what you were doing. Also, it's not so much a matter of "I think my points against Sorceress are super condemning" so much as "I think my points against Sorceress are the most condemning thing right now, from my point of view" (if I didn't, I wouldn't have voted her over everyone else).

##Unvote
##Vote Sorceress
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Punch Hopper on August 30, 2011, 08:40:58 PM
Maybe your gut just hates townies.
Bremm does look suspicious.
He suspects all three wagons. All three suspects are scum?
I think not. Who else, we would like to know.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on August 30, 2011, 08:47:55 PM
Mausoleum Votecount

Barbarian (1.5): Charged Bolt, Coldcrow
Sorceress (2): The Summoner, Ancient Kaa
Rakanishu (0.5): Nihlathak
The Summoner (4): Sorceress, The Countess, Corpsefire, Fire Eye
Fire Eye (1): Bloodwitch
Bloodwitch (1): Barbarian
The Countess (3): Rakanishu, Eyeback, Bremm Sparkfist

Not voting:: Beetleburst

14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
72% time remaining.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: W on August 30, 2011, 08:48:18 PM
My opinion on Kaa has changed slightly. He is seriously overthinking some of the cases engulfing in endless row of thoughts. Feels more like try-hard which gives me possible Town reads. Not entirely convinced yet.

Though summoner on the other hand has not convinced. Still pulls out odd posts containing useless info. Such as again where he said "Everyone looks the same". (Where the hell did you brign this up from again?) I like your excuse in the avatars, it is cute. Anyway... silly cute stuff aside... can you now explain why you parked your vote after jumping on the wagon?

HEY Barbarian, Beetle, Bloodwitch Can I kindly request you to stop screwing around and start doing something?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ryuki on August 31, 2011, 12:45:43 AM
Uhhh, I'll go finish my reads but for now, a question to the mod.

@Mod: Is there a hard day deadline?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Punch Hopper on August 31, 2011, 01:36:25 AM
Finish faster.
Your question is pointless. If there was a hard deadline we would be told.
This mafia needs more posts. Makes me sleepy.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Decade on August 31, 2011, 02:16:19 AM
I'd like him to read Countess and see what his GUT =D tells him.
Going off of GUT =D my read is... god dammit I'm mixing up posts between Countess and Coldcrow. They are both wiggly green ladies in black clothing/hair. Anyway, GUT =D is leaning town. Keep in mind I said gut, I didn't try to read into her and make a logical read because... I can't right now. I've tried x_x

Bleh... I'm having one of those days where I read the thread and read and read and it goes into my eyes and out my I don't even know. Maybe I'm trying too hard. Been coming back to the game every now and then for the past six hours trying to friggin make a post.

Coldcrow:Prods are not useless, and her random vote is bad because of how late it was. Also she still needs to post with real words; as of now, she is still coasting by with a random vote and we have absolutely nothing off of her to read. Lurking is really bad, unless perhaps you're at least making wonderful posts when you DO post.

Also I have a town read on you. I may be lacking in scum reads, but I'm upbeat in that I'm coming out with lots of town reads, and that significantly narrows the pool of people I'm trying to find scum in. I just need... more to look at.

Speaking of more to look at, the amount of people with 0~2 posts is groan-inducing. Half of the players practically don't exist. Some of the players who do exist haven't posted in a long time either (Sorc, Corpsefire)

I think someone asked me about Sorceress? Eh. I don't see what the big whoop was about her.

I need to look at Corpsefire again, and some of these people who've come in with one big post.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Faiz on August 31, 2011, 02:46:41 AM
Looking back through what was posted while I was sleep+work

Countess first post:  Just because the "strongest arguer" was scum last game has no meaning on this game.  And if you're thinking that way why does Raka look townish to you later on?  And how scummy do you think I am if you keep thinking my stuff is bad yet not good.  Also why should anyone cater to your needs, especially after the case on me was already linked?

Corpse's vote: So you have pretty much the same reason as I then? Same problem still exists with you, that outside of Kaa I don't know what you think about anyone.   And with this much activity?  Unacceptable.

@Fire Eye:  Not enough mana, out of potions :(

Nihlathak stuff: All I get from that is that you obv don't like Raka and that the lower lynch requirement is null in your eyes? Hell even I don't know how you feel about me outside of that, much less some of the other early players.  Not liking you right now.

Barbarian vote in there's kinda meh, Bloodwitch post was derp but now's not the time to be going for lurkers.

Eyeback: Would like your opinions on Corpse, and maybe ranking those 5 from most to least scummy. 

@Raka right after that:  So you don't have any problems with Summoner's first vote?  The early outburst was eyeraising, but I felt Summoner's vote+comment was worse, hence why I voted him.

@Bremm:  Closer look on Coldcrow came after going through Raka/Kaa/Corpse stuff.  Wondering what you think of Kaa's page 2/3 play, since that's where your early vote was.

@Summoner:  ... err, it was a request to where a quick vote+agree came from,  when 3/4ths of the game hadn't even posted yet?  And... if you're saying that the first vote wasn't random, then I dunno anymore.  And even if you're being truthful about the "everyone looks the same" thing, posting that right after an early argument is just asking for people to misconstrue it.

@Coldcrow:  Corpsefire is likely town for setup reasons?  Where'd THAT come from?

Vote stays for now, but I could be convinced to go for Countess or Corpsefire.

Cut:  @Barb: ... Huh?  Who are your scum reads if any?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 31, 2011, 03:08:05 AM
Mm, I've been, uh, "busy" today and still am. The essentia of how I'm feeling right now is that Countess MIGHT actually be town, though I need to reread the game in detail to confirm that, Sorceress is still bad, though to answer her question, Summoner hasn't bothered me at all and is bothering me less given the constituents of the wagon, Nih is still awful, and scummy to boot, Barbarian is probably town, and I forget anything else I thought skimming the last few posts.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ryuki on August 31, 2011, 04:24:13 AM
Oh shush you, I have real life. And dinner.

Countess: Your giant wall of text is just.... No solid reads at all. Too many waffles to try and put yourself in a flexible situation, which is where scum always wants to be. Your reads look really forced. And your case on me is just spread out all over the place, trying a bunch of weak attacks. Does not look like honest scumhunting. Your rants with Raka and co. afterward do not look good on you either. Definitely looking scum, and will switch if need be at the end of the day.

Bremm has a complete... disconnect between his posts. I have a weird feeling with him, but he's not disagreeable, so leaning neutral. I'll be watching for him later though.

Barb is just a... headscratch for me. I just want to know, what exactly about my wagon do you support?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Punch Hopper on August 31, 2011, 04:28:10 AM
Odd. The Sorceress was more lackluster then I expected.
Was my movement in haste? That's all you want to ask me?
If Corpsefire is in danger I will eludicate.
But the Barbarian still needs attention.
It is easy pretending to find town. To find someone to suspect is the hard part.
In good faith you cannot cease being suspicious until you have found them.
To be absent is bad.
To be present can be worse.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ryuki on August 31, 2011, 04:30:25 AM
Quote from: Sorc
And... if you're saying that the first vote wasn't random, then I dunno anymore.

Which vote are you talking about specifically? Also, if you can just state some opinions, or restate if you did, that would be nice.

*Cut*

I'm that star up in the sky, I'm that mountain peak up high...
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on August 31, 2011, 05:57:57 AM
Stony Field Votecount

Barbarian (1.5): Charged Bolt, Coldcrow
Sorceress (2): The Summoner, Ancient Kaa
Rakanishu (0.5): Nihlathak
The Summoner (4): Sorceress, The Countess, Corpsefire, Fire Eye
Fire Eye (1): Bloodwitch
Bloodwitch (1): Barbarian
The Countess (3): Rakanishu, Eyeback, Bremm Sparkfist

Not voting: Beetleburst

14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
57% time remaining.
Beetleburst has been prodded.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on August 31, 2011, 06:05:26 AM
I think a whole lot of you don't actually read the game/ don't understand my posts.
I have stated my reads somewhere in all of my opinions very clearly. Generally either at the beginning or near the end.
Also, I admit to overreacting (though it was never about Raka's vote, only all of the misrepping he did). That was really me just getting angry for no reason, and acting on impulse. I have no idea where that came from and I can recognise that it ws there. I apologize for being mean if I came across like that and I will try not to do it again. But I do get really frustrated by all of you guys not reading my posts right at all.
@Sorceress:
I have actually already answered those questions. Look again to find the answer.

@Someone(Corpsefire or Coldcrow I think was talking about me misrepping them): I was not intentionally misrepping you then. That was exactly how I percieved your post at that time. I thought you wanted to quicklynch someone and so I thought that was really bad. So I'm sorry for misrepping you.

If I missed anyone, let me know.

@mod: Seeing as the avatars are causing some confusion between everyone, would it be possible to add something to the avatars that look similar (like give me a silly hat or something)?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on August 31, 2011, 06:08:32 AM
EBWOP: It was Coldcrow who mentioned the misrepping.

Also, speaking of Coldcrow, when did I ever say that one side of the argument had to be scum? I just mentioned that if one of them was scum, then it wouldn't neccessarily be the one who looks worse.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on August 31, 2011, 06:09:44 AM
Give me while to rip some new avatars.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on August 31, 2011, 06:13:27 AM
K, thanks :D
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Punch Hopper on August 31, 2011, 06:26:19 AM
Not understanding your posts.
A symptom of reads that can't make up their minds.
Try stating them again concisely. All your current reads. One sentence.
You didn't. But you felt need to take a side.
And called one side leaning scum. Now you're confusing again.
The one who looks town might be the scum.
This is why restatement is best.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: W on August 31, 2011, 06:44:56 AM
Mm, I've been, uh, "busy" today and still am. The essentia of how I'm feeling right now is that Countess MIGHT actually be town, though I need to reread the game in detail to confirm that, Sorceress is still bad, though to answer her question, Summoner hasn't bothered me at all and is bothering me less given the constituents of the wagon, Nih is still awful, and scummy to boot, Barbarian is probably town, and I forget anything else I thought skimming the last few posts.
Explain, how the Countess is giving you "feelings" of possible Town? I couldn't make any sense out of the post.

How is Summoner exactly not bothering you, while he silly-voted on a bandwagon and now parking it with 0 explanation (and still refuses).
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ryuki on August 31, 2011, 06:52:18 AM
Have you even read my posts? It's not like that vote was completely out of the blue, I telegraphed it.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: W on August 31, 2011, 07:12:07 AM
No you didn't.

#116 > no answer. My post was directly before yours?

#121 > You are analyzing countess / bremm / barb. Still no answer.

#123 > Still no answer.

No matter how many posts I read of yours they just blind my eyes. Nothing is being said than bringing back up stuff which have been passed millions of years ago. Still getting terrible reads from Sorc and you.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: W on August 31, 2011, 07:13:40 AM
Suddenly, everybody became BIGGER and more PIXELATED. AWESOME.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Sasword on August 31, 2011, 09:00:36 AM
I have an immunity to ice, hence my vote for Fire Eye

and Fire Eye's reply #133 lol! how come? new screen?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on August 31, 2011, 09:04:12 AM
I asked Pesco for better avatars. That's why.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Sasword on August 31, 2011, 09:09:01 AM
That's nice of Pesco.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 31, 2011, 09:39:48 AM
Writing Mafia posts when I'm supposed to be in bed, go me.

RE: Coldcrow #113: I find it amusing that you specifically would say my gut hates townies. Aside from that, I think you actually hit the nail on the head in regard to why I felt somewhat was off about Bremm. I took another look at his posts, and he just seems to be hiding behind sparse activity as an excuse to pick at the leavings of the cases of other players. I would appreciate it if his next post was more comprehensive in regards to explaining his priorities, given that he does not seem to actually adding anything new to the table with his suspicions on the leading wagons.

RE: Fire Eye #115: If you're saying that I'm trying too hard, then you're probably right. I told myself I'd try to be more aggressive / hyperactive this game to see where it takes me, but then I remembered that experimenting with my playstyle ends horribly for me, sigh. I hope to sober up by the time Day 2 comes around, if not now. But, ah, aside from that, I'd like to know what you think of Sorc at this point. You pressed her in your opening post, but have not actually said anything since then. Did she just become uninteresting to you?

As for my own opinions on Sorceress, her latest post feels really disjointed to me, which is consistant with the way I think her opinions have come off so far in general. I'm having trouble understanding why she is still targeting Summoner over anyone else, when her reasoning doesn't really seem to have evolved from its initial ED1 state. Her point about the Summoner's jokevote has always felt trivial to me, and to see her continue to tunnel on it while giving updated opinions on other players bemuses me. Sorceress, why do you feel that the Summoner is worth voting over the other players you don't like right now, such as Nihlathak and Countess? It seems possible to me that you're riding out your position on his bandwagon.

I'm continuing to see an overdefensive tinge in the Countess' posts, and it is increasing my distrust towards her. Her entire #125 seemed to be dedicated to responding to other players instead of actually fighting the good fight and hunting for scum. Given that it has been pointed out several times that her opinions came off as waffly, her choice to turtle instead of actually update and reword her opinions bugs me. Countess, how have your opinions changed since you initially posted them? You haven't been pressing Summoner even though your vote rests on him, so it is hard to understand whether or not you actually still think that he is scum. You referred people back to your earlier post to see your reads, but I don't think that should fly at this point, given that a lot has happened since then.

Raka, can you sum up your case on Nihlathak? I haven't been able to follow it, and it seems somewhat reactionary to me. I get a potentially self-aligned feeling from his posts, but not a scum read.

Bloodwitch, it'd be appreciated if you actually made an effort to contribute to the serious discussion that is going on at this point. It seems like you're just hanging along for the ride right now rather than actually getting involved yourself. I can't get a handle on your alignment from this, but if you're town, then your play isn't helping your alignment reach their win condition. I'm assuming that you're new.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 31, 2011, 09:42:02 AM
Ergh, that was wordier than I expected. Maybe I should stick with hyperactive tryhard posting for this game. <_<

I just realized that Fire Eye said he still thought Sorc was terrible recently. I still want him to respond to my question, though, because he didn't particularly go in detail even though she posted between his recent post and his initial one.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on August 31, 2011, 09:50:31 AM
Well my opinions haven't really changed too much. But some of the reads have. Like Raka and his misrep made his town read go down. I realised how bad Sorceress was after Raka summed up the case on her, so now I think Sorceress is probably scum (though I have a gut town read on her). Other than that I can't really think of anything else.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 31, 2011, 09:54:11 AM
If your town read of Raka went down, then why were you so quick to let him touch your heart and show you the light about Sorceress? That seems a little bit inconsistent to me. It's actually rather vague where you stand on Raka in general now that you claim your town read of him went down. Do you think that he is neutral, or that he leans on scummy?

Given that your initial post is still hard for me to parse, it'd be nice if you could just post your top three picks for who is scum and why.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on August 31, 2011, 10:08:35 AM
Raka is neutral to me. He "touched my heart" so quickly because he was actually the first person to state the case clearly to me. You defnintely stated the case earlier but I could just not process it correctly.

I don't really have a definite top three yet but I can list the people I am suspecting.

Sorceress for the reasons said by Raka, and her latest post looks terrible too.

Summoner for lack of good contribution, voting for no reason,  misleading us as to what he thinks (when he voted Sorceress then claimed he thought she was town) and also claiming that he had reasons when he had none (last post).

Coldcrow is looking suspicious to me currently. I have a slightly more town read on her (which means it's getting closer to neutral) as she is looking better in her recent posts. But that mentioning of and participation in bandwagoning looked very suspicious.

Also if I'm getting the gender wrong then sorry as I haven't played Diablo before so feel free to correct me on that.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: W on August 31, 2011, 10:16:16 AM
@ Kaa, In #65, Sorc's post makes 0 sense. She oddly backs up Barbarian on FoS Corpsefire. No particular reasoning given. In #67 she brings up Corpsefire again, but remains parked on Summoner. #119 Sorceress returns back with HUGE POST OF NOTHING. Even totally evading the point I called her "start showing magic". I wasn't being cute roleplaying asking her to drink potions.

I still don't see magic. Sorc's vote parking is just as suspicious as Summoners. Both of them voteparked on eachother and both of them refuse to explain any further. And whats with the barbarian backup again in #119? What most and most frowned me was her line: "I would be convinced to go for Countess or Corpsefire". WHAT? So her vote on Summoner means nothing. Something isn't right here.

And then, when I reread the game, I noticed Eyeback's post. (#91). He makes good points on Sorc, Summoner and surprisingly Countess. And I would like to ask exactly as well on Countess, WHAT exactly made your "Town read" go down? Come up with some useful stuff so we can make sense of it. This isn't Who Wants to be a Millionare where we have to do guessing games.

I am removing Kaa from my personal 'Top 3 scummy-vibes people' and adding Countess in there for now to join Sorceress and Summoner. I am tired of these guessing games, I want to see some clarifaction.

Edit: Cut by Countess
But no editing required for me.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on August 31, 2011, 10:25:16 AM
@Fire Eye:
FBOVUBOUHLVBDLVGCVEWUBWQODUVYC$V&G*H)EBUVIYF*FUBCINB IGEEYV(&WG*)H@!BU~!@!!111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have already explained myself!!!!!!
I said that my town read on Raka has gone down because of all that misrep he did.
Have I not clarified myself clearly enough that i have to repeat myself a fourth time? Because I'm sure you wouldn't like it if you had to say something four times over.

I AM ADDING EVERYONE TO THE 'TOP EVERYONE WHO IS NOT ME THAT IS SCUMMY' LIST. I AM TIRED OF ALL THIS REPETITION AND I WANT TO SEE SOME PEOPLE WHO CAN ACTUALLY READ WELL!!!!!!!! IF IT TAKES ME THREE TIMES TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE YOU UNDERSTAND IT THEN YOU SHOULD JUST LEARN TO READ!!!!!! IF YOU THINK THAT WHAT I SAID WASN'T CLEAR ENOUGH THEN SAY IT THE FIRST TIME INSTEAD OF THE SECOND OR FIFTH TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rant end.
Seriously two rants in two days isn't good at all you people are frustrating me so much.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: W on August 31, 2011, 10:42:16 AM
I don't you quite understand. This isn't about whether you repeated it four, five or hundred times. This is whether you are making sense or not or your post CONTAINS USEFUL stuff.

Because of the misreps the town read went down? OH! So in your opinion misrepping decreases town vibes and increases scum vibes?

The only and ONLY usefulness I can get from your posts is your stuff on summoner, because I can see where your vote is coming from, even then for me, still does not explain exactly why you keep repeating Sorc is terrible terrible. You are confusing, and I don't like that.

For two pages long I keep hearing from people "Haven't you read? Haven't you read?" when I question them on their behaviour. Surprisingly they are both from you and summoner.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on August 31, 2011, 10:51:25 AM
Summoner definitely did not telegraph that vote.
But I had my reasons in my post. If you can't read the posts, then maybe you should look harder.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kiva-la on August 31, 2011, 11:59:00 AM
I concur with the other players saying that Bloodwitch needs to start actually contributing to the game.
It would also be nice if Beetleburst were to come around and post.

@The Summoner: I disliked the immediate return to RVS because there had been something to start the discussion and it looks like an attempt to distract town.
The same could be said of Bloodwitch, who walked in a while after the game started, RVS'd, and has been contributing very little all round.

Let's do a general opinion post!

Barbarian - #80 "Summoner wagon is okay to me." Could you please explain why and whether or not you think that this is still the case, since The Summoner has posted since? Reserving judgement but leaning town.

Rakanishu - Leaning town, nothing to see here.

The Countess - As Rakanishu says, her "defense" of me is really weird. She calls me as looking worse but tries to downplay that by saying that the worse arguer was town in the previous game. In her #71, she says "The strange gap of activity also seems slightly suspicious as it happened during all that drama about Raka and Corpse IIRC, it's as if he was trying to avoid talking about that, but I'm not going to judge that either as it could possibly be that he was doing something else.". Why bother bringing it up if you're going to discredit your own point? It seems like you're kind of paranoid about looking townie. Also, something about the rants just makes it seem to me like an attempt to flesh out a small point with fluff.

Fire Eye - Fence sitting on Kaa. Still, leaning town and therefore boring.

Bremm Sparkfist - Eh, neutral. Post more.

Coldcrow - Leaning town but the clears given in #103 are questionable.

The Summoner - In #51, you say that you're waiting on the Sorceress to make another post, yet jump onto her bandwagon in #58 before the Sorceress responds because...? If you were still waiting for the Sorceress to respond, would you not be better off looking for other scum? As mentioned above, I also dislike the return to RVS at the beginning of the game. Also, that promised read in #51 sure took a while. The results? Fence sit on the Barbarian and Bremm Sparkfist, calling me scummy but a non-priority(??), and the Countess being definite scum. Does nobody else look interesting to you? Have nothing to say about people that others haven't really commented on?

Nihlathak - Dislike his RVS opener. #84 Uh... What were your opinions? #34 where you said... nothing at all? Or #79 where you said... nothing at all? #89 clarifies this somewhat but I dislike how he expects us to read his mind or something when it comes to his reasoning.

Sorceress - I can see where a lot of the points on Sorceress are coming from, and don't have much of my own to add to them.

Ancient Kaa the Soulless - Leaning town. Nothing to see here, folks!

Corpsefire - I am the strongest!

Bloodwitch the Wild - Needs to realize that RVS is over.

Eyeback the Unleashed - Needs to post more. Neutral like Bremm Sparkfast.

Beetleburst - ???

Conclusion? Everyone but me is scum.
Er... Let me try that again.
##Vote Pesco
GDI
Summoner/Countess are scummy. Sorceress, Bloodwitch and Beetleburst are bad. Eyeback and Bremm are ehhh.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Punch Hopper on August 31, 2011, 03:57:37 PM
Kaa should know how I feel about trying hard then.
This Coldshot thinks you're doing fine.
Being sober is also optional.
Bloodwitch is causing my palm to reach my face.
We know your reason for voting Fire Eye was nonsense.
This was us asking you to vote for someone for real reasons.
Your comments on Summoner, Sorceress and Countess are minimum requirements.
Mmm. If Countess does not like repetition then a new question might help.
What in the latest post by Sorceress is terrible in your opinion?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ouja on August 31, 2011, 04:03:37 PM
The developments so far show that I am less interested in the pursuit of a Countess lynch now. While she still has that giant mark from her initial wall, she has since shown what appears to me as earnest frustration with the game. A defence that the opposition must not be reading is not very flattering, but I can't in good conscience maintain the current collision course for her lynch.

##Unvote

I have actually grown to dislike Summoner a bit more over the course of the last page. #121 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705574.html#msg705574) with the promise of switching between either of the two prominent wagons seems rather too much opportunistic to me, and his lackluster attempts to solidify the case on Sorceress doesn't tell much of him either.

That he has since spent his efforts on digging up dirt on nearly all players earns my further ire and now my vote:
##Vote The Summoner

I have not forgotten Nthalatak and would like him to clarify the points outlined in my previous post.

In response to earlier questions, I can say that my dislike of Rakanishu is more a playstyle problem, whereas I find my dislike of Kaa to be more of the scummy variant; traps have all the makings of amazing town play, but doing something inexplicable on page 1 with the MotK meta seems to be equally likely to catch scum as derptown, and I find it lends itself as a platform to direct a mislynch. He is not so scummy I want to vote him for it, and his content so far has not raised my ire.

I have nothing to say on Corpsefire and find no value in "ranking" my suspicions, as they change with every post. I will say that I will be unlikely to vote Rakanishu or Kaa today, barring exceptional circumstances, and find The Countess much less tasty a lynch as I find Summoner, Sorceress, and now Nthalatak at increasing speed.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kick Hopper on August 31, 2011, 04:48:18 PM
@Sorceress: I believe his play was reasonable. I do believe the way Raa and Raka worked together so quickly early in the game is eyebrow raising. However, I also don't believe that its enough to warrant a vote at this junction especially after they clarified on it.

@Bloodwitch the Wild: Your reason does not even make sense. Immune does not equal weak to another. Also that is not an acceptable answer at this junction. It would work for RVS but right now its just noise.

@Courtess:
@Countess: You said you are not just sitting around and waiting. However, your post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704930.html#msg704930) does not have anything that reaches out to "active scumhunting". Lying?
You have yet to apply anything that makes me willing to change my vote.
I would also like to ask how you "know" Summoner did not "telegraph" his vote?

Also in #94 you told Eyeback you were undecided about people and wanted to wait for more posts. Yet your #71 post clearly defines them in a category. Why do you contradict yourself so much?

@Nihlathak: You sound like your voting Raka purely on the basis of "I said I would". Also, the only thing I can take from your posts is "I don't like Raka"
Also, your expecting us to immediately know what your opinions are on subtle words. If you don't clearly define them, I won't believe them.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on August 31, 2011, 04:56:28 PM
Underground Passage Votecount

Barbarian (1.5): Charged Bolt, Coldcrow
Sorceress (2): The Summoner, Ancient Kaa
Rakanishu (0.5): Nihlathak
The Summoner (4.5): Sorceress, The Countess, Corpsefire, Fire Eye, Eyeback
Fire Eye (1): Bloodwitch
Bloodwitch (1): Barbarian
The Countess (2): Rakanishu, Bremm Sparkfist

Not voting: Beetleburst

14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
48% time remaining.
Beetleburst will be replaced in 3 hours if there is no activity.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 31, 2011, 05:46:41 PM
Corpsefire's latest post looks a lot better than what he put out earlier on, though seems like it has a lot of padding to me. I think I'm willing to pass my initial read of him off as ED1 now that he's actually posting clear opinions, which is more than Sorceress and The Countess can say for themselves. I don't think he's particularly townlike, but it's good enough to push him into my neutral reads.

Bremm, did you ignore what I said about wanting you to clarify your priorities? It still seems like you're just posting late and going for the targets everybody is going for in an attempt to blend in. Like Coldcrow asked, do you really think all the main wagons are scum?

I still don't understand why the Summoner has 5 (or rather, 4.5) votes. His recent content has improved significantly, and the weird unvote -> vote Sorceress looks more like Townies Are Weird And Sometimes Impatient than a scum play to me. People keep pointing it out as if it's "odd" but I'm not sure how that actually makes it scummy? His wagon in general irks me a lot, and I feel that a lot of the people who voted early on it (mainly Sorceress and Countess) are just trying to cling onto it based on their early positions without actually taking his recent content into account. Fire Eye is the only person on the wagon who was sensible about his vote, IMO. I'd like it if the people on the Summoner wagon would explain why he's worth voting over the other players they suspect, because I'm really not seeing the case as is.

@ MOD: Countess has 3 votes from 2 people on the recent votecount. Is this an error?

[pesco]fixed[/pesco]
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ryuki on August 31, 2011, 05:48:30 PM
This sounds like an answer to a question that was never asked at you. Something about that just rubs me the wrong way.
I'll wait and see how Sorceress responds before voting her, but let me read some more and catch up on other people.
Because I'm still waiting on Sorc to respond, not much stands out to me right now, and it's better than leaving my vote floating around. And added pressure wouldn't really hurt now, would it?
Alright, let's get today started!

It's a beautiful morning!

This post feels wrong. First off, it's worded like an answer. Second, it's an answer to... what question? Third, the fact that it's an answer instead of a question. Defensive stance. Know who likes to play defense more than scumhunting?

http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704797.html#msg704797

You read the game to come out with... a FOS? And voting me simply because I said "Bandwagon!"? Just because I didn't state reasons doesn't mean I didn't have reasons to join the bandwagon. And the vote wasn't suddenly random out of nowhere. And your scummy reads don't explain WHY they're scummy. Care to elaborate?

Quote from: Countress
misleading us as to what he thinks (when he voted Sorceress then claimed he thought she was town)
Just... what? Seriously? Just... Wow. I'm just suppressing my rage right now at all that has happened.

Everyone I don't mention is either
1) Town
2) Uninteresting
3) Not worth talking about now as it'll just add noise.

Sorc looks scum, no opinions, the vote is parked on me, but the lynch isn't happening, and it looks like it's quickly becoming not me vs me (unsurprisingly yet again)

##Unvote
##Vote: The Countress


I'm not even angry
I'm being so sincere right now
Even though you broke my heart and killed me


Cut by Kaa
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 31, 2011, 06:01:58 PM
Damn it, Summoner, we still have roughly half the day left! It seems rather odd that you're going into ~DEADLINE PANIC MODO~ and giving up your desired lynch when the game is not even approaching the end of the day yet.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 31, 2011, 06:04:42 PM
Also! I want to know how high the possibility of Coldcrow and Raka supporting the Sorc wagon again is at this point. Perhaps predictably, I'm not very happy that the wagon on my preferred lynch seems to be dying out completely. It's possible I'm just tunneling, but I definitely don't feel like Sorc should be in the clear at this point.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ryuki on August 31, 2011, 07:20:13 PM
You can't really blame me for going into panic. Eyeback's vote was going to put me at L-1, but the votecount said otherwise. And with MotK's activity levels recently.... Well, it might as well be close to deadline.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 31, 2011, 07:28:35 PM
:shrug:
I'd rather not give up on the Sorc wagon just yet.

Also, if you're at psuedo L-1, shouldn't you claim? Beats dealing with roleclaims at the last minute.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on August 31, 2011, 09:25:15 PM
Dark Wood Votecount

Barbarian (1.5): Charged Bolt, Coldcrow
Sorceress (1): Ancient Kaa
Rakanishu (0.5): Nihlathak
The Summoner (4.5): Sorceress, The Countess, Corpsefire, Fire Eye, Eyeback
Fire Eye (1): Bloodwitch
Bloodwitch (1): Barbarian
The Countess (3): Rakanishu, Bremm Sparkfist, The Summoner

Not voting: Beetleburst

14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
35% time remaining.
Beetleburst will be replaced after confirmation from the player filling in.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Ryuki on August 31, 2011, 09:36:20 PM
Quote
Sorceress (3): Ancient Kaa

[pesco]Votes this game are confusing. Deal with it[/pesco]
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kabuto on August 31, 2011, 10:10:40 PM
Posting to say I Exist!!!!!

Give my an hour to read over the game and get a proper vote in!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 31, 2011, 10:17:43 PM
This game this game this game this game.

I really don't feel like reading, but I guess I have to, don't I? Anyway, the Countess thing is that I'm getting a weird affronted townie vibe from her, and she might just be incredibly awful at this game. Admittedly, every time I see her use the word misrep my blood pressure rises and I'd like to strangle her in three or four colorful ways, because, you know, I NEVER FUCKING MISREPPED HER FOR FUCKS SAKE AND SHE'S SO FULL OF SHIT HER EYES ARE BROWN

Ahem, rather, if I understand correctly she says I misrepped her stance on Corspe but I feel I have adequately explained that, even if she's too blind/not processing the game well enough to see it.

Anyway, catch up:

Summoner 121 is basically things that have already been said. You're probably town but seriously, can you come up with something on your own?

Countess 125: "I have stated my reads somewhere in all of my opinions very clearly. Generally either at the beginning or near the end." Your lack of reads, you mean. 4 people are neutral. One is town. One is scum. Not ONLY that, but the "logic" that lead to your reads is contradictory and meandering, even on your SOLID reads. So no, you haven't stated reads. You threw out something you thought would look good and are trying to coast on it. Changed my mind again, you're scum. And you're trying to use the misrep defense (in and of itself a misrep) to beat us off you rather than doing the townie thing and finding scum.

Fire Eye 130: That's because I made the post in a hurry. Summoner is kind of bothering me now but her wagon is SO FUCKING AWFUL I refuse to believe she's scum.

Bloodwitch 134: GOOD OF YOU TO PLAY. What the hell does that have to do with anything? Really?

##Unvote, Vote Bloodwitch
POST SOME FUCKING READS OR DIE!

THIS, my friends, is active fucking lurking.

Kaa 137: Nihthilak, much like Bloodwitch, except slightly less badly, is active lurking. He's acting like he's posting reads but he's not posted ANYTHING that let's us conclude his stances. Whereas, you know, everyone else in the game HAS. He's trying to coast. Also, his "case" on me is pretty fucking terrible but I'll leave that out of my ~*~formal case~*~.

Countess 139: I want to strangle you. Please, just DIE.

Countess 143: Is a pile of AtE. If I "Misrepped" you, how about you explain it or possibly even link where you've explained it if you're sooooooooooo tired of repeating yourself.

OK, I've decided. WE'RE FUCKING LYNCHING BLOODWITCH. I would like you all to vote him now. Countess is pretty awful, as is Sorceress and Nihiwhatthefuckever, but Bloodwitch is the WORST.


Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 31, 2011, 10:17:54 PM
Oh, and this better be good, Beetleburst, I didn't forget you.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 31, 2011, 10:24:42 PM
I don't think what Bloodwitch is doing is indicative of her alignment.

She's a REALLY AMAZING target for a vigilante, but not a good target for a lynch. Lynching her at this point would just be the same as throwing everything we've done today away and lynching on policy, and would most likely bring us back to square one tomorrow even with her flip. This would be okay if she was so overwhelmingly scummy we had no excuse not to lynch her, but I don't believe that's actually the case. I don't want to see her survive to LYLO, though, unless she starts picking up her game.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 31, 2011, 10:27:19 PM
...dammit, you're right and I know it too.

##Unvote, ##Vote Countess

Then Countess dies. SUMMONER IS NOT A GOOD LYNCH, YOU PEOPLE!

LOOK AT THE PEOPLE ON HER WAGON. LOOK AT THEM!
"The Summoner (4.5): Sorceress, The Countess, Corpsefire, Fire Eye, Eyeback"

Do you REALLY want to support a lynch THOSE PEOPLE want? No, you don't. Think for a damned second.

Bloodwitch needs to be fucking shot in the face tonight. She's making me pop blood vessels I didn't even know I had by being so bloody USELESS!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on August 31, 2011, 10:48:38 PM
Ugh, I guess I'm definitely not getting my Sorceress lynch at this point. Time seems to be dwindling away, and I'm not even sure I'll be around for deadline, so here goes nothing.

##Unvote
##Vote The Countess

I feel that she has been unnecessarily overly-defensive and has failed to improve her stability even after repeated questioning. The Summoner wagon is horrible to the extent that I don't understand the cases of half the people on it, so I would rather not see its lynch go through.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Faiz on August 31, 2011, 11:01:57 PM
The more I see other people's recent posts on Summoner, the more I don't like the wagon.  People saying vote wasn't telegraphed, yet he did show intent to vote me in post #51.  Not liking Countess misrep either.  And then Kaa's latest post... uh... did you seriously just push for a claim on someone whose wagon you don't like and is still at least 2 votes from lynch?


Corpsefire post clears up my biggest problem with him, and I don't find anything too terrible with it.  Summoner himself I'm feeling better about, especially after what I posted up above.  Countess isn't looking any better (Make up your fricken mind on me already!  Misrep on Summoner I already mentioned).  Nihlathak I still don't like, obviously nothing has changed.  Bloodwitch needs to stop being a derp.  Gut thinking something's amiss with the early Raka/Kaa buddyup+Kaa's post I mentioned up there makes my opinion of him drop considerably.

##Unvote
##Vote Countess

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Faiz on August 31, 2011, 11:05:12 PM
EBWDP:  "Kaa's latest" being #156
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on August 31, 2011, 11:11:27 PM
The Hole Votecount

Barbarian (1.5): Charged Bolt, Coldcrow
Rakanishu (0.5): Nihlathak
The Summoner (3.5): The Countess, Corpsefire, Fire Eye, Eyeback
Fire Eye (1): Bloodwitch
Bloodwitch (1): Barbarian
The Countess (5): Rakanishu, Bremm Sparkfist, The Summoner, Ancient Kaa, Sorceress

Not voting: Beetleburst

The Countess is at L-1
14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
30% time remaining.
If a lynch is reached, no more vote changes will be counted. Consider the period as Twilight until I post the results.
Bloodwitch has requested replacement. Awaiting confirmation from filler.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Den-O on August 31, 2011, 11:12:42 PM
Countess, as Pesco has said, is at L-1.

CLAIM. Now
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kabuto on August 31, 2011, 11:20:37 PM
Oh, and this better be good, Beetleburst, I didn't forget you.

And I thought I'd be forgettable this game!

Ok I read/skimmed every post and as much as I tried to read for understanding I can't do better at the moment than a few GUT =D reads.

First since everyone is at her throat, I do not think the RAGE AND CAPITAL LETTERS! coming from Countess's posts are faked.  As was first mentioned by that electric imp raka, Countess's first post was wafflely up the wazhoo, but my gut tells me it wasn't scum-waffle but more like overly indecisive town trying best they can to get out opinions that at that point in the game where those opinions are being mulled over by a town mind-set asking "is this REALLY indicative of scum-intent or town-intent?" 

Although he is a prominent wagon, with less than enviable characters on it, The summoner is someone I simply didn't like from reading his posts.  Granted I need to take another look at them, but the voice in my head thought they are weak, not in the way of being apologetic or condesending to town's will, but weak in the way that I don't think he has taken a serious effort to communicate effectively, for I could not grasp much from his posts.

Corspefire seemed not to have put much stake in this game so far, and I think that doesn't read well.  Of course here I am throwing stones being abismally late to the game, but reading Corspefire simply does not trigger any sympathies.

Ok well these are all GUT =D reads as I would like to reiterate once more.  As Far as where my efforts will go in the near future, I will read The summoner and the Countess comprehensively since one of the two seem destined for a lynch.

Oh and just sayin', I think Raka is town this time around  :3 

 
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kabuto on September 01, 2011, 12:30:19 AM
Color me curious:

##Vote: Bremm Sparkfist

This Vote has nothing to do with my reads. 

Sorry, but would it be possible for an additional votecount?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Decade on September 01, 2011, 12:33:48 AM
Okay! Here.

Jesus, now I remember what it feels like to play mafia when you're unavaliable for huge chunks of time at once.

Now I can finally remember that oh hey Nih is scummy. Bloodwitch posting again and failing to say absolutely anything takes her from lazy player to active lurker as Raka said. I'd be a -little- disappointed to lynch her though as utter lack of anything from her makes her a pretty lousy D1 lynch information-wise, and on Day 1, it's pretty goddamn important for the sake of D2 to get info out of your D1 lynch.

-Insert period where Barbarian leaves to go with people to a grocery store for a significant amount of time, and these points get stated by other people along with lots of cuts.-

Welp. Okay then. Time is running low, and after I go to bed, I am most likely -not- going to be able return by deadline with any more then a quick skim of the topic when I wake up, before I have to run out the door. I've voiced the pepole I currently see as bad (Although honestly, I've barely managed to skim most of the recent posts yet... x_x), now it's time to decide between the wagons since :not-returning-before-deadline:

-Insert period where he struggles to remove pizza from the oven, gets wrangled into conversation with people and kept away from computer, then has to catch up with online conversations he missed while gone, AUGH-

This post has officially taken several hours to try to make despite very little of that time actually being spent making it. The hell... gdi

I don't think Summoner is as bad as some people say, but I don't like him much either. I'd pick Nih to lynch over him, but that doesn't seem like a possibility, plus Nih is a big lurker so far himself... sigh. Way too much lurking this game right now.

...okay I'm going to eat pizza, and so I don't just get cut 10 more times by the time I make my post, I'm going to post this. Expect a post soon about Countess and which wagon I'd like to get on, and it's probably the last you'll hear from me today.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 01, 2011, 01:47:48 AM
Time flies when you're lynching scum.
Actually none of you want to look at my target. A shame.
Late now but I would have agreed to a Sorceress attack if it had picked up.
As it stands I would put my .5 on Countess. L-0.5 is overkill for now.
Who is Summoner? Uninteresting to me.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Decade on September 01, 2011, 02:28:16 AM
I'm tired, but if I take any longer I'm gonna fall asleep and end up not posting at all.

Okay, I reread Countess again and sure gutting town on her still k time to sleep

##Unvote ##Vote Summoner

I feel horrible that I don't even have the slightest kind of actual case on this other then GUT =D and weak explanations but the best you'll get from me right now is a play with skeleton puppets made from the bodies of my slain foes that will still keep me up late enough that I'd be a zombie tomorrow :C

/me collapses into a snoring heap
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Sasword on September 01, 2011, 04:56:20 AM
Confirming that I'm replacing in.
Give me a few hours to skim the game and post some initial thoughts.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on September 01, 2011, 05:41:09 AM
Black Marsh Votecount

Barbarian (1.5): Charged Bolt, Coldcrow
Rakanishu (0.5): Nihlathak
The Summoner (4.5): The Countess, Corpsefire, Fire Eye, Eyeback, Barbarian
Fire Eye (1): Bloodwitch
Bremm Sparkfist (0.5): Beetleburst
The Countess (5): Rakanishu, Bremm Sparkfist, The Summoner, Ancient Kaa, Sorceress

Not voting: None

The Countess is at L-1
14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
22% time remaining.
If a lynch is reached, no more vote changes will be counted. Consider the period as Twilight until I post the results.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on September 01, 2011, 05:54:11 AM
Geez, if you guys are going to put me at L-1 then at least wait till I'm here.

I am a Vanilla Townie, well pretty much. I'm basically a more flavorful Vanilla.

I will get on to other stuff soon.
Also I have to leave in about 2 hours. So I won't be here.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on September 01, 2011, 06:11:34 AM
Okay.
@Coldcrow #147:
Her latest post at that time was bad for all of her questions on me. I felt I had answered those questions already and it seemed to me as if she too wasn't reading the game. Also the rest of her post gave me a bad gut feeling.

@Bremm #149:
Summoner didn't telegraph his vote. He stated he was going to wait before deciding to vote on Sorceress and then votes her immediately after (well, maybe not immediately but you get the point). Sure he did throw some suspicion on her but he should've stuck to his word and waited instead. But he just followed the bandwagon.
I thought those people were neutral but those reads were if I had to pick a side.

Also, wow Raka, Kaa and Sorceress all voting me three in a row.
SCUMBUDDIES LYNCH NOW!!!!!!!!!

And all the people who have recently been getting gut town reads on me are awesome and have good guts.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on September 01, 2011, 06:17:25 AM
Can you explain your flavor (without quoting the mod)?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on September 01, 2011, 06:17:40 AM
Also, is Vanilla Townie your actual role name?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on September 01, 2011, 06:18:40 AM
Vanilla townie isn't my role name, that's why I said it's a more flavorful Vanilla.
But I am a townie who has no night actions so I am basically Vanilla.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on September 01, 2011, 06:24:02 AM
What's your actual role name, then?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on September 01, 2011, 06:25:47 AM
The Countess - Superunique
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kabuto on September 01, 2011, 06:43:59 AM
Quote
But I am a townie who has no night actions so I am basically Vanilla.

Your real title checks out. But the words you used here are couched. no night actions != no actions.  Same to "basically Vanilla"

Thus besides your immunities, and your real title, you have nothing more special?

I have yet to do my reading throughly, but my gut certainly hasn't changed.  (your child-like glee doesn't seem scummy).

I'll wake up early in the morning to spend a time to make a concrete judgement.

##unvote
##vote: summoner

My last vote was a source of info for me and others of my kind~
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kabuto on September 01, 2011, 06:44:40 AM
That was L -0.5 btw. 
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on September 01, 2011, 06:47:35 AM
Hmm. I'm assuming that if you're telling the truth, then all roles are called Superunique, given that I have that role title as well but also have a night action.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on September 01, 2011, 06:51:11 AM
Then obviously it isn't really Super"unique" if you have that name too. That's still the role though, nothing special.
But I'm not going to assume that all roles are called Superunique unless you all want to reveal your role names and it turns out that everyone is Superunique.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: W on September 01, 2011, 07:07:12 AM
I don't know what to think of Countess any more. Dual immune with no abilities... my gut tells me it is possible, but then again we can be never asure. The shouting ranting I also believe was not something cute thrown to cover up minor issues.

Summoner, start claiming and talking, because you haven't explained anything yet to us. Right now you feeling oh-so-scummy. More than countess or sorceress.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on September 01, 2011, 07:26:48 AM
Tower Cellar Votecount

Barbarian (1.5): Charged Bolt, Coldcrow
Rakanishu (0.5): Nihlathak
The Summoner (5.5): The Countess, Corpsefire, Fire Eye, Eyeback, Barbarian, Beetleburst
Fire Eye (1): Bloodwitch
The Countess (5): Rakanishu, Bremm Sparkfist, The Summoner, Ancient Kaa, Sorceress

Not voting: None

The Countess is at L-1
14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
21% time remaining.
If a lynch is reached, no more vote changes will be counted. Consider the period as Twilight until I post the results.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: DiEnd on September 01, 2011, 07:30:19 AM
Oh, I forgot about her dual immunities.
I buy the roleclaim with that. A functional vanilla with voting-related applications feels really plausible in this game.  Superunique is most likely Troll Pesco. I've also been having the nagging feeling that Countess is town, so.

##Unvote
##Vote Sorceress
I still think the Summoner isn't a good lynch, though I guess it's possible his claim will change my mind. Leaving my vote here for now in hopes this will take off again. I swear it feels like I'm the only person who actually suspects Sorc at this point, and that everybody else just keeps her at the back of their mind but refuses to actually vote her.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on September 01, 2011, 07:30:54 AM
Isn't Summoner supposed to be at L-0.5?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on September 01, 2011, 07:31:23 AM
Also I suspect Sorc but I suspect Summoner more.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: OOO on September 01, 2011, 07:43:12 AM
By Summoner being at L-0.5 I mean there is no mention of it.
Also I'm going now and I'll be back in 1-2 hours.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 01, 2011, 09:02:11 AM
I have doubts in activity.
My voice will hopefully add to our time.
This votecount is confused. I would add my voice to Sorceress again.
But I am no judge of time. My vote is now spent better here.

##Unvote
##Vote: The Countess


One reveal is enough. Stop encouraging comparisons.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on September 01, 2011, 09:28:34 AM
Tamoe Highlands Votecount

Barbarian (0.5): Charged Bolt
Rakanishu (0.5): Nihlathak
The Summoner (5.5): The Countess, Corpsefire, Fire Eye, Eyeback, Barbarian, Beetleburst
Fire Eye (1): Bloodwitch
The Countess (5): Rakanishu, Bremm Sparkfist, The Summoner, Sorceress, Coldcrow
Sorceress (1): Ancient Kaa

Not voting: None

The Countess has been lynched.

The Countess was Superunique
The Countess drops
Key of terror
Great Helm (Unique)
Spetum (Rare)
Spiked Club (Rare)
Eth rune

Night 1 begins. You have 24 hours to send in an action. If you choose to do nothing, please say so. If you don't send in an action it will be assumed you're doing nothing. Day 2 will begin when all actions are in.

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Night 1)
Post by: Pesco on September 01, 2011, 09:33:18 AM
Votes got Miscounted. Just carry on. Assume it was a deadline lynch.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Pesco on September 02, 2011, 08:03:58 AM
Ancient Kaa the Soulless was killed.

Ancient Kaa was a Superunique

The Pit Votecount

Sorceress (0.5): Poisoned

Not voting: Everyone

12 alive, 5 votes for a lynch.
100% time remaining
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 02, 2011, 01:28:09 PM
So, first I was going to yell at everyone for there being no posts between the time I went to bed and the time I woke up but...uh...that was like 3 hours, with day starting 5 hours ago.

Anyway, the tl;dr of my hatred is that Sorceress probably needs death today, I'm willing to take a second look at the Summoner case, I really look with interest into Corpsefire, and that I vaguely remember being unimpressed with Beetleburst but there are fairly obvious reasons for his absence yesterday and it's only natural his opinions would have been just a bit less than impressive given time constraints. I am hoping he puts up a much better display today.

The long version is I actually need to reread the game to make sure I still like these reads so, I'll be doing that!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 02, 2011, 02:50:53 PM
OH RIGHT NIHLATHAK. He's still awful too. I actually completely forgot about him since he's done absolutely nothing. I imagine this reread will consist of me deciding which of Sorceress or Nihlathak makes me want to beat my head against the wall more. Page 1 is surprisingly useless at this point except to make Corspefire look worse and Sorceress look the same.

Wait. What? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704676.html#msg704676) I even pointed this out at the time. It looks significantly worse given Kaa's flip. Wow, way to completely forget things on my part.

Hey Kaa, how do you...oh...
/me looks down awkwardly
Um, anyway, I bet if Kaa were alive he'd think that Summoner vote was slimy. (Re: this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704685.html#msg704685) and catching opportunistic scum)

This Summoner post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704690.html#msg704690) makes me cry, but to be honest it leads me to conclude derp town. You know, like I SHOULD have on Countess. If anyone lacks a life and has some spare time, could they show me a time where early newb unvoting without a new place for their vote was actually coming from scum?

Summoner 58: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704714.html#msg704714)Read this and answer me, Summoner. Why did you choose to vote Sorceress HERE as opposed to after you unvoted Kaa due to misunderstanding him? You are permitted to link back to a prior answer if given.

Summon 60 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704726.html#msg704726): Question stands. If you didn't want your vote floating around, why didn't you vote before?

You know, as of Sorceress 62, I'm canceling both my derp town read of Summoner and also my request for derp newbscum unvoting and not revoting.

Hrm...ok, I'm getting the impression Sorceress and Summoner are not the same alignment. Yeah, I know, but bussing is a thing, but no. Their interactions don't really feel...forced, at all. As for why they are different alignments is because I refuse to believe both of them are town.

Sorceress 65 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704797.html#msg704797): Read this and answer me, Sorceress. What about Corpse's lack of vote for Kaa's mysterious behavior makes him scummy? It's very unclear why we should find this weird, particularly when contrasted with Barbarian

Corpsefire 74: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704942.html#msg704942) Read this and answer me, Corpsefire. Why the Summoner hate with no mention of Sorceress?

Fire Eye 77: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704984.html#msg704984) Hey, nice to meet you, don't think I've mentioned you at all this entire game. Read this and answer me, Fire Eye. What made Summoner worse than Sorceress for you?

Just reminding you all this is still why Nih dies eventually (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704991.html#msg704991)

Barbarian 80: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704998.html#msg704998) Read this and answer me, Barbarian. Why didn't you even MENTION Sorceress in this post? You manage to avoid mentioning her at all, really, in any meaningful read capacity

Summoner 101: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705102.html#msg705102) Lackluster but redeeming, though Sorceress DID revote you after her reads.

Coldcrow 103: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705107.html#msg705107) Hey! I've wanted an excuse to talk to you all game and now I have one! Read this and answer me, Coldcrow. Do you still think Sorceress is town? Please note that there is a plethora of people who have managed to find some excuse to vote Summoner over her, and your favored vote outright ignored her.

Sorceress 119 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705510.html#msg705510) This post bugs me because it feels like a lot of crowdpleasing and little real substance.

Summoner 121: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705574.html#msg705574) I LOVE YOU! Seriously, WHY THE FUCK WAS SUMMONER EVER A VIABLE WAGON! WHAT THE HELL!?

Fire Eye 130: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705650.html#msg705650) Read this and answer, Fire Eye. How is Sorceress exactly not bothering you, while she has posted nothing of substance except empty summoner hate?

Fire Eye 142: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705700.html#msg705700) Read this and answer, Fire Eye. This post has Sorc hate. It has Summoner hate. What makes Summoner worse than Sorc!?

Corpsefire 146 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705742.html#msg705742) This post makes me cringe. All of these are regurgitated opinions. There's not a lick of originality in this entire thing. There's a lot of reporteryness, but at least there ARE solid reads. What interests me is that he agrees with the points on Sorc, but doesn't bother restating any. He restates a lot of OTHER opinions though. So why not Sorc?

Eyeback 148: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705833.html#msg705833) Read this and answer me, Eyeback. May I ask why Summoner is worse than Sorc? To be honest, Summoner's posts were pretty town in the interval you state.

Sorceress 165: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705992.html#msg705992) Read this and answer me, Sorceress. When you say Countess misrep, do you mean people misrepping her or her misrepping people? Otherwise this is a decent post, but reeks of too little too late. It's pretty clear who's going to get lynched at this point, and it's people who are Not Sorceress. With the pressure off, fakereads are easier.

To be clear, I'm fairly sure everyone is a Superunique.

And finally, Pesco, the votecount might be fine. You forgot to count Ancient Kaa's vote in the final votecount.

Oh God, tl;dr post coming next.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 02, 2011, 02:57:05 PM
tl;dr: First, how did I spend TWO HOURS on that post without getting cut? Activity is ABYSMAL. POST, people

Secondly, I've concluded this.

One scum in Sorceress/Summoner (Sorceress). The reason for this is said in my big post, I don't feel bussing here but I refuse to believe they're both town. Town doesn't do that stuff.

One or two scum in Fire Eye/Corpsefire/Barbarian (Barbarian). This grouping is because these people found convenient reasons to avoid Sorceress, more notably than anyone else. Barbarian in particular managed to go all of D1 without mentioning her in any meaningful capacity. If Sorc is scum, Barb is most likely her buddy. Call it 20/15/65 percent wise.

Zero to One scum in Bremm/Nihlathak (Nihlathak): This is the group of useless people. They've pretended to be active but have produced nothing of value. They're in that sweet spot for scum where they're scummy but not TOO scummy. I could honestly go for a Nih lynch today if I can't get my way on Sorc. But you want me to get my way on Sorc. Sorc is scum, and if she's not we gain a wealth of information from her.

Now! Sorceress is scum because in general through D1 she was hanging back and not really getting engaged.
Barbarian is scum mostly associatively with Sorceress, but his Post 80 is awful to the point of mostly being IIoA. I get bad vibes from him.
Nihlathak is scum because his only two posts were a vote for me, and a post that was more or less just saying things were wrong without actually producing any content. There's also a soft defense of sorceress but associative tells, etc.

Anyone I didn't mention is most likely town.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 02, 2011, 02:59:59 PM
EBWOP: Because QUAD POSTING IS TOWN

All the bolded in my long post (which is quite a lot, I'm sorry), is important questions I want answered. They'll help me reassess my reads a lot.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: W on September 02, 2011, 03:24:47 PM
Right.

You keep asking me why Summoner was more awful than Sorceress? Because summoner has NOT bothered to help us hunt scum before D1 ended, but remained awfully silent after Kaa pressed him on the panic.

What the hell was there to panic anyway? He claims he was put to L-1 by Eyeback and panicked (#155). The votecount never stated he was on L-1. Something tells me that Summoner is acting stupid about his role. Take a look at #152 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705868.html#msg705868). Why the hell quote yourself and then come up with nothing at the end of the post. And also why does he says: "the lynch isn't happening". And then he comes off with a vote out of the blue on countess?!?! sense, zero.

Sorceress is still coming off scummy as ever, as she was in D1. You pointed out my #141. And you also read my extreme frowning at her saying "I will change if I am convinced". Is it really hard to read stuff for yourself and make up your own decision?

This is why I think Summoner came off worse than Sorceress. Confusing us, not helping scum hunt and claiming odd things without any leading.

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 02, 2011, 03:51:32 PM
...
First

##Vote Sorceress. How I forgot that I don't know.

Second, where's your vote?

Third, sure, I read (probably not as closely at that point, 200 posts is a lot to read an analyze), and I beg to differ. Summoner feels like newb town failhunting. I find it incredibly interesting just how adversarial you are about this, Fire Eye. Anyway "I will change if I'm convinced" is still very conveniently avoiding the Sorc wagon.

Fourth, where did Sorc EVER actually hunt scum? The closest I can think of is post 165. (Also, that wasn't supposed to be all bold on 165)

And fifth, I do kind of see where you're coming from but I feel you're not reading Summoner closely enough.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: W on September 02, 2011, 04:11:12 PM
We are the only two talking in this dead mafia game right now, aren't you kind of forgetting that still tons of others need to start talking? I think you should calm down because people have real lives. I posted my previous post in hurry before dinner getting scolded by my parents for not joining the table.

Anyway... putting aside real life cockblocks:

I like how you keep shoving words in my words such as "avoiding". Maybe you want to go read the vote counts on who actually avoided what. Plenty of people avoided because we are SURROUNDED by lurkers and fence sitters not helping us. Pretty obvious why things go like this now, don't they?

Oh yea. Let me ask you, why are you being so defensive for Summoner? I am sure he has the fingers(mouth) to type something himself?  Newbie town failhunter? Did you just ignored my  #201 where I pressed on Summoner's odd claims stating he won't be lynched?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kabuto on September 02, 2011, 04:16:26 PM
I have finished a through read-though and have solidified a few of my reads. 

In my next post I'll elucidate why I think Bremm is Scum. 

For now, I want to clear up the end of Day 1 votecount.   I really hope that Pesco didn't miscount the number of votes on Countess and revealed her alignment prematurely and was forced to lynch her anyways after the mistake.

Irregardless, Coldcrow your vote had full power even though you are a cold type.  I suspect something happened with your "multi-shot" ability that had an additional effect on the Votecount.  Considering you were the hammerer, and made no mention (and in fact, denied) that your vote would have full power when the Countess' wagon was already big and nearing enough votes for a lynch, I find this scummy.  I ask that you claim your innate power, "multishot."

Raka, I grow wary when people base a lot of their scum-hunting on a house of cards.  In this case Sorc scum is unproven, although you pay mute tribute to that by saying one of Summoner/Sorc is scum, you base almost everything on Sorc scum afterwards.

Please wait warmly for the case on Bremm Scum.   
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 02, 2011, 04:31:01 PM
@Fire Eye: Because I defend my town reads. The wagon on him was fucking awful and you should feel bad. Do you people even bother reading for intent or do you just want to lynch bad players (and yes, I'm guilty with Countess). Finally, let's see how many times you voted Sorceress. OH WAIT, ZERO! That's pretty avoidant, yo. As for his claims, hell, that's something I'd say. I don't see what's scummy about it.

Seriously, just flat out list your case on him. Concise, a few sentences with your strongest points. I'll let him defend it, but I'm fairly sure I know what it's going to boil down to.
Also, let's clear the air. Am I scum because I'm defending Summoner?

@Beetle: You're sorely misreading me, Beetleburst. While most of my focus IS on the sorc/summoner wagons (there is scum there, therefore behavior around the wagons is important), there are individually scummy things in the people I named. In fact, my last tier is completely unrelated to Sorc, though I can tie it into that. The only tier of scum that actually falls apart is Fire/Corpse/Barb.

Bremm I can buy, but thoughts on Summoner, Sorceress? Unless something drastic happens, I'd really rather it boil down to those two.

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Faiz on September 02, 2011, 04:49:09 PM
Blarghl RL morning.  To Raka:

#65:  Corpse's lack of moving his random vote along with his early posting (until the post where he put his vote on Summoner) meant I had no idea how he actually felt on anyone despite his activity, bonus points for ignoring Coldcrow/Nih.

#165:  "misleading us as to what he thinks (when he voted Sorceress then claimed he thought she was town)" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705696.html#msg705696) is what I meant.

Anyways, while I can forgive Bloodwitch and Beetleburst for their lackluster D1s because they've been replaced,  Nihlathak needs pressure. He was by far the worst about giving us nothing to work with yesterday.  Summoner I need to reread, since two of the people that caused me to sway off his wagon at the end of the day have since flipped town,  and I need to do the same for Coldcrow/Fire Eye.  Also don't like Corpsefire disappearing for the end of D1, seems too convenient.   Raka I'm fairly confident in right now:  I can understand his early plan to get reactions from the unexplained vote since he'd already established himself to do that.  It was Kaa that I was finding the scummier out of those two, especially after requesting the claim on Summoner.  Barb I'm kinda annoyed with, especially the end of the day  :wikipedia:,  needs something more than GUT =D

(And everyone else is boring and stuff)

And of course cuts, with a nice catch by Beetleburst, although seeing as the end of day was botched:

@Mod: Can you confirm if the end of day votecount was correct?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kabuto on September 02, 2011, 05:02:10 PM
Quickly Answering Raka while I finish my case on Bremm.

In short: 

People I'm looking at hard and who I think are most likely scum:

Bremm > Summoner ~ Sorc > Coldcrow ~ Corspefire ~ Nik.  I'm waiting for coldcrow.  I haven't decided yet who is scum out of Summoner/Sorc but I think they are individually scummy, not that one must be scum.  One thing that separates them is that I don't need to use any gut with Sorc, while gut comes into the equation when judging Summoner.  I'll elaborate more later.  Priorities~

Sorc, try not to mince words.  I understand that the "catch" was the end of day votecount, (btw I think that was blindingly obvious, esp after Countess' immediate RAGE post afterwards, don't worry, I read it ;p), but do you think coldcrow is scummy for that mechanic, as I do?

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Pesco on September 02, 2011, 05:24:03 PM
Monastery Gate Votecount

Sorceress (1.5): Poisoned, Rakanishu

Not voting: Everyone else

12 alive, 5 votes for a lynch.
80% time remaining

If I'm off by 1 or more votes, then there might be a mistake. Otherwise, all previous votecounts are correct.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kabuto on September 02, 2011, 05:30:40 PM
Almost done with my case. 

But really.

Quote
The Countess (5): Rakanishu, Bremm Sparkfist, The Summoner, Sorceress, Coldcrow

Is that count correct, and is it correct to say that Countess was lynched with 5 votes without mod error?

[pesco]That's the fully counted and correct value of the votes[/pesco]

Also, I'm putting out a motion for the person responsible for poisoning Sorc to claim it.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 02, 2011, 05:33:53 PM
Poisoner do not fucking claim

They're clearly pro town. I see no need for it.

Secondly, Mod, why didn't you count Kaa's vote on Countess?

[pesco]Kaa had unvoted[/pesco]
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 02, 2011, 05:35:17 PM
How awkward.
The ending votecount was incorrect.
Ancient Kaa unvoted before any movement was considered.
This (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg706252.html#msg706252) is not something that can be faked.
As for the mechanic? My multishot has no effect on votes.
Calmcrow is as confused as you are.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Ryuki on September 02, 2011, 05:42:10 PM
I'm here, it's morning, gonna get food, maybe be back in a few hours. Ask things if you want.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kabuto on September 02, 2011, 05:56:58 PM
O wow, Quick reply makes Quoting that much easier!

Let's start with:
##Vote Ancient Kaa the Soulless
What do you agree with Ancient Kaa the Soulless?
Atleast state what you agree with.
Also, If you agree with Rakanishu does that you also agree with his Vote?
If so, where is your vote?
If not, Why do you agree when your not willing to follow?

Alright, there's nothing wrong here for a ED1 post.  Kaa did something questionable and Bremm's vote implies Bremm thinks it's scummy.  And imo Kaa's "I agree" was scummy at the time.  I think the questions are repetitive and the idea behind Bremm's post could have been stated better, but in general, there is nothing wrong.

Next post signals something entirely different:

@Bloodwitch the Wild: I agree with Barbarian. Explain your vote. Its not RVS.

@Summoner: You first declared you would wait for Sorcerer to post. Yet immediately afterwards you vote Sorcerer. Then you only post your reasons AFTER asked. You also required someone to encourage you before you voted. Neutral leaning scum

@Sorcerer: When you answered Kaa, you replied Corpsefire is better then Coldcrow. Yet you rather FoS Corpsefire instead of Coldcrow who is worse then Corpsefire. I find you to be contradicting yourself. Your action did not match your words. Leaning scum.

@Countess: You said you are not just sitting around and waiting. However, your post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704930.html#msg704930) does not have anything that reaches out to "active scumhunting". Lying?

##Unvote
##Vote Countess
There is no reaction to Kaa's answer to your previous questions, which would have been expected if you felt concerned in the first place when you asked them.  This renders your first post pointless, adding no scumhunting value.  This is the source of the disconnect noticed by Kaa and a few others agreeing with him.  Even so, I find the rest of the post more pointedly scum motivated.

The point against Summoner doesn't tell me how and why what he did was scummy, I believe the pharse is 'narrative causality'.  E.g. what makes you think Summoner "required" someone to encourage him to vote?  Maybe he would have done it anyway had he been given no encouragement, Summoner can't be responsible for what people say to him.  This kind of falsified logic continues.

The point against Sorc is weak as you stated.  You didn't take into account that the question came after the initial judgement wherein Sorc decided to review again and change her judgement.  It's possible to say something to the effect of "I don't believe you were serious Sorc!" but the way you make the argument seems like lazy scum trying to score an easy point when there is a little more to consider.

The absolute most damning here is the vote and reason for voting Countess.  You simply accuse someone of no active scumhunting because you see none in a post meant to get off early opinions while they were continuing to read the topic and look for scum.  The question you failed to answer to accompany such an accusation is "WHY!".  WHY does that post contain no active scumhunting?  Does it show signs of scummy waffling? Does it not actually give opinions? Does it contain only town reads? ETC.  This is lazyness, when you allow others to guess the reasons for you.  This is a votepark, when you throw down a vote for such a weak case.  This is textbook scum.

@Sorceress: I believe his play was reasonable. I do believe the way Raa and Raka worked together so quickly early in the game is eyebrow raising. However, I also don't believe that its enough to warrant a vote at this junction especially after they clarified on it.

@Bloodwitch the Wild: Your reason does not even make sense. Immune does not equal weak to another. Also that is not an acceptable answer at this junction. It would work for RVS but right now its just noise.

@Courtess: You have yet to apply anything that makes me willing to change my vote.
I would also like to ask how you "know" Summoner did not "telegraph" his vote?

Also in #94 you told Eyeback you were undecided about people and wanted to wait for more posts. Yet your #71 post clearly defines them in a category. Why do you contradict yourself so much?

@Nihlathak: You sound like your voting Raka purely on the basis of "I said I would". Also, the only thing I can take from your posts is "I don't like Raka"
Also, your expecting us to immediately know what your opinions are on subtle words. If you don't clearly define them, I won't believe them.

This is just ugly.
"However, I also don't believe that its enough to warrant a vote at this junction especially after they clarified on it." - Sounds like your more concerned about your vote than either of them.
*ignore 2nd throwaway about Bloodwitch*
"You have yet to apply anything that makes me willing to change my vote." - Again, "WHY!"
"Also in #94 you told Eyeback you were undecided about people and wanted to wait for more posts. Yet your #71 post clearly defines them in a category. Why do you contradict yourself so much?" - mudslingling.  "clearly defines them" encompasses many reads which countess was undecided on.
I simply find the phrasing of the point against Nik not sincere.  As in, what do you want Nik to do?  Repeat what he said better? Find more scumspects?

Overall I find Bremm lazy and callous scum.

##Vote Bremm Sparkfist


Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Faiz on September 02, 2011, 06:02:01 PM
Still busy with haircut+shower, just posting really quick to request this:

Coldcrow, vote either Bloodwitch or Summoner.  I have no reason to believe you'd lie about having a half-vote instead of explaining why you'd be getting a full vote when poked about it unless you're hiding something you don't want us to know.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 02, 2011, 06:12:26 PM
To answer Rakanishu.
At this moment Sorceress is suspicious.
A reaction that was pro-town seems simply not watching what is being said anymore.
I still disagree about Nihlathak.
Irony. It is for the same reason you want him to die.
Where is a cold immunity.. here.

##Vote Summoner


This vote wants to continue on Barbarian.
Deciding to concentrate a day into only two is odd.
A vague feeling of dislike for the idea.
Are we to let Day 1 run our lives?
The Summoner is very defensive.
A question to answer. Who is scum? Vote where you will.
Beetleburst rises ire for calling out to claim so quickly.
Massclaims are not pro-town so early.
Votes are better.
Don't cut me with votes.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Ouja on September 02, 2011, 06:28:17 PM
@Rakanishu: My reasons for voting Summoner at the time are tied into his multitude of posts detailing how scummy the others are, with little to no attempt to push forward his chief wagon. It felt, and feels, like he was simply throwing things around to see what would stick.

I echo that the poisoner need not claim. I disagree that Nihlatak needs lynching only because he lurks: that is his meta. I do agree he needs lynching for doing nothing but pointing out why others are wrong with no attempts to point to alternatives.

As I revisit my #91 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705024.html#msg705024), I feel the need to update those reads with the new information.

For one, I believe Rakanishu is more likely to be Town than Scum, although not at a level yet where I can say so with certainty. Rakanishu's attempts to move Town forward make little sense from scum motivation unless gambits, and I see no reason to entertain that idea for now.

Both the Countess and Kaa have been dealt with, so my reads of them need little updating.  As for Summoner, I see little has changed, although I am willing to admit I may have been hasty in voting him for his behaviour. For now I'll wait and see what he does today and see if my opinion of him changes little.

The Sorceress fails to impress still, and on re-read I note the #65 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704797.html#msg704797) with a vote on Summoner and FOS on Corpse. That Corpse later resolves this issue with a wall of opinions and causes Sorceress to drop all suspicion of him at once feels awkward: FOSing was premature, as tunnel vision has never been a prima cause for voting ED1, and it feels more like a setup for voting if the commentary against him stuck.

That her #119 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705510.html#msg705510) asks me for opinions on Corpsefire in specific further makes me wonder: what in specific was there about Corpsefire that should have caught my notice? I never like people asking me for opinions on Specific Person X unless they are voting Specific Person X. That was not happening here, and I file it under suspicious in result.

##VOTE: Sorceress

Of Beetleburst I can say nothing but good. The case he's provided prompts me to do a re-read of Bremm Sparkfist.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: W on September 02, 2011, 06:40:59 PM
Seriously, just flat out list your case on him. Concise, a few sentences with your strongest points.

As said in: #201 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707086.html#msg707086) a flat list as you requested:
- Voteparks on Sorc, refuses to answer any further questions.
- Panics for unknown reason.
- Then suddenly claims not getting lynched anyway. (Spite being at 5.5)
- Acts unaware why was there no L-X message. Kind of odd while he knowns his role for sure.

This is my case.

##Vote The Summoner

Also, let's clear the air. Am I scum because I'm defending Summoner?
You said you are defending your town reads, fair to me. In my opinion, even if you are aggravating, I don't find it scummy.

Besides, I want to reread on Corpsefire and Bremm as well, after I finish up this deadline deliverable for school.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 02, 2011, 07:38:32 PM
After digesting what Beetle has to say on Bremm suspicion is retracted.
This vote is acceptable.
Quick glances say Bremm had better reasons for people he wasn't voting for.
Countess reads as no reason at all.

There is something disconcerting about Eyeback.
Hard to place. An adversarial feeling?
Using the words dealt with to address fallen town. It feels wrong somehow.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Faiz on September 02, 2011, 09:59:57 PM
Sorry that this is a lot later than I expected.  Coldcrow+Fire Eye.

Coldcrow:  Posts are kinda annoying to read without knowing pointing out what she's responding to  :V   Other than that, I'm still getting bad feelings because of why she thinks Corpse is town, and now this.   Also keeps finding ways to say that she wants to vote one person but voting another, the first time she did this on Countess now looking extra bad at the moment.   Currently leaning scum, and looking forward to the next VC.

Fire Eye:  Currently leaning town, although a couple of his opinions on me left me slightly confused.  "I'm not seeing the magic" meant what, again?  #142 kinda clears it up (mostly the votepark on Summoner, I take it) but is that still it now?

Summoner:  Hrm.  Reread wound up being just a bunch of accusations.  Ends it by condemning me yet again and then... doesn't even try to argue for a wagon onto me and swaps to Countess, when he had at least Kaa's support.

Being knocked off now, will finish later.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kabuto on September 02, 2011, 10:13:09 PM
All in!

There's more than just the additional 1/2 vote.   It's that Countess was at L-1 before Kaa unvoted and there was no surprise lynch.  Then Coldcrow's vote brings Countess back to L-1 and then suddenly lynch.  Obviously there is a scum vote mechanic involved here, but while it's most probable it's Coldcrow, it still could be someone else taking a day action that is not an innate ability.

Coldcrow what are your elements, or are you just cold? I have two, electric and something else (which if anyone wants to ask for, I'll give it).

In anycase I'm going to mull over Sorc - Summoner - Coldcrow again, but I still feel positive that Bremm has to be scummier content-wise than any of them.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Pesco on September 02, 2011, 10:18:33 PM
Outer Cloister Votecount

Sorceress (2.5): Poisoned, Rakanishu, Eyeback
Bremm Sparkfist (0.5): Beetleburst
The Summoner (1.5) Coldcrow, Fire Eye

Not voting: Everyone else

12 alive, 5 votes for a lynch.
71% time remaining
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kabuto on September 02, 2011, 10:26:48 PM
Fire Eye, just making sure, does your vote count fully?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 02, 2011, 10:29:57 PM
Whether the additional half-vote mechanic is scum or town I don't know. The end of day votecount originally had 6 votes. Pesco didn't notice Kaa's unvote. It's too late to unflip someone once they've been flipped. I assume you have the ability to read where he said the votes were miscounted.

Oh my special abilities are STOP ROLEFISHING.

Sorceress, you have no idea why I think Corpsefire is town. Don't pretend I've given you a reason to feel bad about. The only reason I'm voting Summoner right now is to show you the half-vote.

Cut by a prerequisite votecount!

##Unvote
##Vote Sorceress


What the hell are you trying to accomplish pushing me because of a mod error? I have no idea what you're talking about in regards to my vote. I was voting for Countess. That's what started this, remember? And while you're pretending to read my posts you've missed something glaring that you of all people should have noticed. You're not paying attention. You're just trying to find what other people thinks sticks.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Faiz on September 02, 2011, 11:18:36 PM
Annd back.

Summoner cont.:  At half the day remaining at that point, him giving up on the wagon for Countess after quoting that looks like he's just taking advantage of a mess-up to do that unpark everyone's been on him about, instead of trying to justify why he's still on me.   Back to thinking scum here, now that I have knowledge of Countess/Kaa alignments.

Current scum suspects:  Summoner/Nihilthak/Coldcrow
Current town feels, in no specific order:  Raka/Fire Eye/Beetleburst
Current neutral reads, from scummiest to towniest:  Corpsefire/Bremm/Lurkerwitch/Eyeback/Barbarian


Cut:  ... oh boy here we go.

@Coldcrow:  For "setup reasons", right?  Haven't mentioned him any more since that so that's what I have to go by.  And I'm trying to push you because of a mod error?  Mod says otherwise. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707129.html#msg707129) evidently.  And something that everyone missed that I should have specifically noticed?  Only thing that really comes to mind was you being a quick second onto Summoner at the very start of D1, although that got lost in the shenanigans afterwards.  Which I did mention when Kaa prodded me after #65.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 02, 2011, 11:22:26 PM
@Countess was overly defensive and repeatedly contradicted herself. She had also generated alot of pointless noise. Such as 87 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704930.html#msg704930).

She said she stated her opinions of everyone "clearly" here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705633.html#msg705633) yet she had said she was undecided in 94 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705037.html#msg705037).

@Nihlathak: Why do you answer so subtly?
Your answering questions with Rhetorical questions. You assume that we know what you are saying with just vague words.
What are your reads?
State it as clear as possible.

@Fire Eye: Why are you so excessively tunnelling on Summoner? I do not understand whats making you hit Summoner so hard anymore. I don't find your cases enough of a reason for you to tunnel so heavily on Summoner.

You're being overly defensive here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.ph...html#msg707096). Plenty of people avoided it. But why did you?

@On the topic of Fullcount Votes, I claim that my votes remove elemental immunities. Which is the reason for Coldcrow's full vote, and a reason I'm not willing to place my vote at the moment.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 02, 2011, 11:25:01 PM
Because you can't read.
Votes got Miscounted. Just carry on. Assume it was a deadline lynch.
Indeed. Although the poisoning brings it into question. Will think about that after Corpsefire posts.

In other news I'm facepalming so hard at you. Why are you purposely avoiding looking at my vote on YOU?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Ryuki on September 02, 2011, 11:25:54 PM
As said in: #201 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707086.html#msg707086) a flat list as you requested:
- Voteparks on Sorc, refuses to answer any further questions.
- Panics for unknown reason.
- Then suddenly claims not getting lynched anyway. (Spite being at 5.5)
- Acts unaware why was there no L-X message. Kind of odd while he knowns his role for sure.

This is my case.

##Vote The Summoner

-AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
First off, QUESTIONS?
Quote from: Fireeye
The summoner, wait wait wait. You said you would "wait and see Sorc's" reply after unvoting. Now joining also the bandwagon? Is it me or am I getting scummy buddy vibes from you and Kaa? Also your explanation is worse (none existant) than Kaa's.
I SEE NONE. SERIOUSLY. LOOK AT ALL THE FUCKING POSTS WHERE PEOPLE VOTE ME. I SEE NO QUESTIONS. NONE.
ALSO, VOTEPARKING? WHY? BECAUSE I'M VOTING THE PERSON I THINK IS SCUM? I SAID I DIDN'T LIKE THE SORC BEFORE I VOTED HER, I DIDN'T LIKE HER WHEN I VOTED HER, AND I DIDN'T LIKE HE STILL AFTER I VOTED HER.
LET ME COUNTER THIS TO YOU. YOU KEPT YOUR VOTE ON ME, YET YOU SAID YOU DISLIKED ALL OF SORC, COUNT, AND ME, THE THREE WAGONS OF THE DAY. YET YOUR VOTE WAS SOLELY ON ME, THE ENTIRE DAY. NO CHANGE, NOTHING. CAN'T I JUST SAY YOU'RE VOTEPARKING AS WELL?! HELL, EVERYONE WHO HAS THEIR VOTE ON WHO THEY THINK IS SCUM MUST BE VOTEPARKING.
- OH, I REVEALED WHY. BUT SINCE YOU CAN'T FUCKING READ, GUESS I'LL JUST RESTATE THEM.
1) VOTED TO L-1.5
2) BARB PROMISED TO JOIN MY WAGON
3) ROLE RELATED REASONS
4) MOTKTOWN ACTIVITY: REALLY LOW. NOT MUCH CHANCE OF IT CHANGING.
- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WAY TO MISREAD, MISREP, AND TRY TO USE THAT AGAINST ME EVEN THOUGH I SEE NO WAY HOW THAT INDICATES I'M SCUM. I'LL EVEN BE NICE AND QUOTE WHAT I SAID.
Quote
Sorc looks scum, no opinions, the vote is parked on me, but the lynch isn't happening, and it looks like it's quickly becoming not me vs me (unsurprisingly yet again)
READ. THE SORCERESS LYNCH WAS NOT, I REPEAT, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
- YOU WANT TO KNOW MY ROLE THAT BADLY? MAYBE, BUT I'LL JUST LET OFF FOR NOW SAYING THAT THIS IS A BASTARDLY ROLE.

YOU SEEM SO TUNNELLY ON ME AND SO CONFIDENT SINCE I'M SUCH AN EASY TARGET THAT YOU'RE NOT EVEN BOTHERING TO READ. WELL YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK ABOUT YOU?!

##VOTE: FIRE EYE

EDIT: CUT BY THREE POSTS BUT I DON'T GIVE A FUCK RIGHT NOW
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Sasword on September 02, 2011, 11:46:47 PM
Sorceress's recent opinions don't give any concrete conclusions. She gives a bunch of one-liner blurbs on people that just poke at them without actually saying anything of value, if you get my drift. Example: Nihlathak needs pressure, you say, but you don't give him any. Coldcrow looks like your preferred scumpick, but you don't do anything with that suspicion. You throw suspicion at a bunch of people, but I don't see any intent to vote scum.
##FoS: Sorceress because L-1.5 I think.

In addition, her vote on Countess was weak. Relevant passages quoted. The questions quoted don't really lead anywhere, as I see it. I would like you to reexplain your former case on Countess for the peanut gallery.
Countess first post:  Just because the "strongest arguer" was scum last game has no meaning on this game.  And if you're thinking that way why does Raka look townish to you later on?  And how scummy do you think I am if you keep thinking my stuff is bad yet not good.  Also why should anyone cater to your needs, especially after the case on me was already linked?
Vote stays for now, but I could be convinced to go for Countess or Corpsefire.
Not liking Countess misrep either.
Countess isn't looking any better (Make up your fricken mind on me already!  Misrep on Summoner I already mentioned).

A reread of Summoner leads me to conclude he's probably a town troll, regarding his actions in ED1. Anyway, I want Summoner to update his opinions on people. Cut by something which I'm going to read.

Nihlathak's only posts strike me as more irrelevant than scummy, what with how he spends the majority of his posts presenting a tautological argument. He should come back to play with us so we can read him!

Still rereading, so no vote yet. I'm lazy. I have some reads and I think some people look town etc etc.

cut: This entire convo is silly. Given this:
Votes got Miscounted. Just carry on. Assume it was a deadline lynch.

Here, let's make this crystal clear.
@mod: Was the D1 lynch concluded due to mod error?

[pesco]Do mods intentionally miscount votes and then make an announcement saying there was a mistake? The votes, how much they were worth and where they were are all CORRECT. The lynch HAPPENED due the the keyword in that post, MISCOUNTED.[/pesco]
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Sasword on September 02, 2011, 11:47:58 PM
Oh goddamn I got cut by like 5 people. Ignore the parts that are just repeats. >_>
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Faiz on September 03, 2011, 12:12:59 AM
@Coldcrow:  See link in last post that leads to post where the mod says the count's correct?  Bremm's claim makes everything about the vote make sense though,  so taking that point back and making my read of you neutral, slight scum lead.  You've already admitted that your vote on me was a pressure vote, and it was an ED1 vote to get activity according to you, so I saw nothing strange about it.  Unless you'd like to admit it's something else, now?


@Bloodwitchcut:  It looks that way because I cut you.  As for vote... uh... that got lost in responding to cuts <_<  Also, you say I have no intent to vote and then merely FoS because of L-1.5?  What's the difference between L-2 and L-1.5?

Countess case was for all the contradictions and back-and-forth reads, demanding the cases be presented to her instead of trying to find cases herself, and that misrep being the nail in the coffin.

You think Summoner is a town troll?  I'd like to know exactly what you mean by that because that doesn't sound like a good thing.

Nihlathak's posts being irrelevant is the entire problem with him for me.  The only not-lurking stuff he's done was to strike up an arguement with Raka that went nowhere. 

And for the promised vote:

##Vote: SummonerFoS Nihlathak
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kabuto on September 03, 2011, 12:29:10 AM
UK, please lend me your flying unicorn so I can fly out of here!

I'm sorry, but Summoner your post made my head ring.  still in the middle of a D1 reread that's incredibly painful.

I don't think Bremm's most recent post shows any earnest scum hunting, especially since, while understandibly not voting, he doesn't say who he thinks is most likely scum out of the people he threw out questions to.

But this is important:

@On the topic of Fullcount Votes, I claim that my votes remove elemental immunities. Which is the reason for Coldcrow's full vote, and a reason I'm not willing to place my vote at the moment.

This disturbs me.  This is a power of scummy proportions as it misleads someone voting thinking that perhaps they would only put someone to L - 0.5 not L.  Moreover, you did not claim it when you knew Coldcrow announced that she would put her vote on Countess eventually.  Thus this possibility existed, you knew about it, and did not try and stop it.   The only thing that hinders me from going all out "OMG CONF. SCUM!" is that you are claiming this now, which doesn't make sense as a scum action.

@Coldcrow:  I can read fine, I don't think Pesco was clear enough perhaps, but all he needs to say is a one-word answer to BloodWitch.   Also I seriously hope you're not saying that I was rolefishing for your element type, because I consider that kind of information basic to everyone and now I am thinking it should be considered common knowledge with all the vote shenags going on.  I am Electric and Physical.  Thus anytime I vote an electric or physically immune person, it only counts as a half-vote.

 
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 03, 2011, 02:05:01 AM
@Coldcrow:  See link in last post that leads to post where the mod says the count's correct?  Bremm's claim makes everything about the vote make sense though,  so taking that point back and making my read of you neutral, slight scum lead.  You've already admitted that your vote on me was a pressure vote, and it was an ED1 vote to get activity according to you, so I saw nothing strange about it.  Unless you'd like to admit it's something else, now?
Certainly not.
I simply find it odd that you express suspicion of me, yet calmly ignored that as if it had never happened.
While other town were willing to fight your battle for you.
This does not seem like a pro-town attitude to me.

The Summoner has taken in too many grief seeds. His mind seems to be lost.
I agree the Sorceress lynch was not possible at that time.
Nevertheless it would be preferred if he came back with opinions after calming down.
Cases born out of hate are made with bias.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 03, 2011, 02:29:35 AM
@Coldcrow:  I can read fine, I don't think Pesco was clear enough perhaps, but all he needs to say is a one-word answer to BloodWitch.   Also I seriously hope you're not saying that I was rolefishing for your element type, because I consider that kind of information basic to everyone and now I am thinking it should be considered common knowledge with all the vote shenags going on.  I am Electric and Physical.  Thus anytime I vote an electric or physically immune person, it only counts as a half-vote.
It frustrates to be the only one that saw the votecount.
Your wishes to clear up all mysteries are understandable.
They are also dangerous for putting that information in wrong hands.
Other elements would ruin my name. I am Cold and Cold alone.

Bremm has claimed a dangerous ability.
Other vote altering powers are minimal.
This one seems stronger somehow.
Combined with play it makes me wish to look back at who wanted my vote placed quickly.

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Faiz on September 03, 2011, 02:38:20 AM
I didn't really find that particular vote suspicious is the thing.  Also, at the time that Summoner gave up the wagon on me, the Deadline was at 48%, with a bunch of people listing me as scummy.  Maybe at the time Countess claimed it would have been impossible because the percent dropped a ton afterwards, but at that point it was premature imo.

Going to sleep now, might be able to get a post in when I wake up, but if I haven't posted by, say, 9 AM EST or so I've likely been rushed off to work.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Pesco on September 03, 2011, 06:19:14 AM
Barracks Votecount

Sorceress (3.5): Poisoned, Rakanishu, Eyeback, Coldcrow
Bremm Sparkfist (0.5): Beetleburst
The Summoner (2) Fire Eye, SOrceress
Fire Eye (1): The Summoner

Not voting: Barbarian, Nihlathak, Corpsefire, Bremm Sparkfist, Bloodwitch the Wild

12 alive, 5 votes for a lynch.
52% time remaining
Barbarian, Nihlathak and Corpsefire have been prodded

Edit: Votecount fixed
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kiva-la on September 03, 2011, 07:53:22 AM
I'm awake! I'm awake!

Corpsefire 74: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704942.html#msg704942) Read this and answer me, Corpsefire. Why the Summoner hate with no mention of Sorceress?
I had no original opinions of the Sorceress to add at the time and would have preferred a lynch on the Summoner.

Corpsefire 146 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705742.html#msg705742) What interests me is that he agrees with the points on Sorc, but doesn't bother restating any. He restates a lot of OTHER opinions though. So why not Sorc?
Mainly because I didn't bother to read through Sorceress properly at that point.

Nihlathak is still a thing that I don't particularly like. Especially his #79 where he defends Sorceress and Summoner for whatever reason.

##Vote Fire Eye
I actually want to sideline my Summoner case because I would rather go with this one.
His case in #217 is appears to be punishing bad play, rather than actual scumminess, and this extends to most of his posts actually.
In addition, his fencesit on Kaa in ED1 still seems off to me

Making another post with elaborations and other stuff hopefully.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Sasword on September 03, 2011, 08:17:39 AM
Hopefully that mod answer clears everything up so we don't have to go off on that tangent anymore.

@Sorceress: I'm not going to put you at L-0.5 because of weird things with immunities. Also I have no idea what the point of that second question is. 0.5? ???

I looked through your ISO but I can't find this misrep you mentioned on Summoner; could you restate it?

I think Summoner has a bit of an attitude and isn't exactly typographically elegant, but the thing is I can't really see what he does that's really scummy. For instance, I don't even know what your case on Summoner is. Is it just the not me over me at what you say is 48% time left? (Can't cross check right now due to shitty net)

I've seen too many lurktown to be sure of Nihlathak's alignment at this stage. Also, the thing about a Nihlathak lynch is that it would basically be a policy lynch based on lack of activity/content. He might be a good vig target.


Anyway, reread some other people.

Barbarian is pretty damn useless from reading his posts, but is probably not scum because GUT! =D. I want him to update his opinions...or just post, really. What do you think of Summoner and Nih now?

Bremm's first post of D2 is pretty bad, but Beetleburst already covered most of it; there's no indication of scum suspicions. His day one activity is also pretty lackluster. The vote on Countess makes absolutely no sense, given he had "better" points on Summoner and Sorcerer. Most everything else I wanted to say has already been said by Beetleburst.

##Vote: Bremm Sparkfist

Corpsefire's early D1 is a null tell. His big post is mediocre but makes decent points. Null leaning town; I want him to get in here with explained and updated reads.

Fire Eye I can't read for the tunneling. I want Fire Eye to post opinions on non-Summoner people so we can see where he stands on everything else. I'll reread him again later.

I see Coldcrow is voting Sorceress and probably has a case on her, but I want her to restate exactly what that case is. Is it the issue over the mod error, the fact the Sorceress never addressed your vote on her, or something else? Also, what do you think of Barbarian? In my reread I found that he didn't have very clearly defined opinions on stances, and waffled like a mofo, but he read more like waffle-town than waffle-scum to me. (I've also had a bit of trouble generating reads this game). Your thoughts?
I'd also like a little clarification on the last paragraph in #233 as to what you were trying to say.

Beetleburst, I imagine there are probably town powers that also remove immunities, so the fact that Bremm claimed that power is not scummy in and of itself.

Summoner should make another post that's actually readable, since my eyes glaze over the all caps. I'll see what Fire Eye's response is; meanwhile, what happened to your Bremm, Barb, and Corpsefire suspicions from yesterday?

Anyway, happy with either a Bremm or Sorceress lynch today. Getting this out now while I can still post.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 03, 2011, 08:52:24 AM
My opinion of Barbarian mirrors yours.
Other then the gut. I don't like him.
Trying to generate reads on fatally absent players is frustrating.
He had no opinion before the day ended.
He should stop lurking and update us now so I can vote for him again we have a place to start.
Opinions or die. That's my rule.

Which part of 223? If the second. There are three vote altering powers in play already.

For Sorceress.
Why can't it be all?
It is hard to understand what part of miscounted was hard to read.
Attempting to start a wagon on me before it was clarified is simply wrong.
The lack of addressing is suspicious because other members of town were attacking for it. Both Countess and Ancient Kaa raised ire over a circumstance Sorceress didn't address. I thought she didn't notice. Saying she was fine with it all along means she was allowing me to come under fire for what she apparently considered 'nothing strange'.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: W on September 03, 2011, 08:52:58 AM
@ Corpsefire,

Bad play punishment you say? If that was the case, I would've gone and smacked Nilhatak-like persons hard for being bad players. I like how you throw random things at me. Your case is cute, but contains all sorts of random unjustified points.

First, fence sitting on Kaa? Where did you bring that nonsense up from? I made a Top-3 for myself and explained clearly why I had that list. Kaa was in that list as well. Rereading him more carefully, Kaa was pushing too hard and over-thinking everything. Even admitted he was. I don't find that necessary scummy, it gave me more town reads.  After reading on Countess, I removed Kaa from my top 3 and started looking for more.

Speaking of punishing bad play? Your activity after #146 was just as poor as Nilhatak and co. Your vote was before this post and you kept summarizing everything but did not actually contribute or continued to hunt. How does that makes you any different than Nilhatak or other similar bad contributor? Just because you are now "active" hunting? Don't make me laugh.


@ Bremm,
You are right, my tunnelling on Summoner is not a good idea. But as I explained just above, the tunnelling happened because Summoner kept on being ignorant and acted very suspicious about his panic (still not explained). THIS gave me my own person reason to put Summoner as highest suspect for my own Top 3, get it?

---------------------------------------------------------------
I states yesterday I would've read on Corpsefire and Bremm (goddamn real life cockblocks). Anyway...

Corpsefire > I already explained above in my answer to his lousy case on me. Stating random things. Pretending he is active now. Gives me currently neutral to town reads.

About Bremm > His ability is something dangerous. I am kind of worried about this. But the entire vote-count confusion has put me, as well as many other people, off balance making it hard to judge whether he comes off more scummy or more town. Bremm hasn't been actively scum hunting D1. This is troublesome, but if we had to take his claim into account, it explains his behaviour. It makes some what sense (if of course he is for real). I cannot decide yet. Needs more careful rereading if I am not missing something.

Also:

Nilhatak > Still not helping either in scum hunting. D1 was poor, and you still look poor. You are poor. I concur the idea of others that you need to get lynched if there would be lurk-lynching going on.

Barbarian > Gut gut gut gut is all I am reading. Come up with some cases, names or a list of most scum most town. Your vote in D1 was also based on GUT, not on actual CASE.

Why are we all surrounded by damned active lurkers. For god's sake: If I had to lynch on lurkers I would pick Nilhatak over Barbarian. But I rather not waste my vote.

Need to read on Beetle, Coldcrow, Eyeback and Bloodwitch. Real life chorus calling.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: W on September 03, 2011, 11:53:09 AM
Good, now that I finished all my real life bullshit for the day. Time to read.

Oh yea, forgot. Need to read on Sorceress again as well, next to ones  I mentioned in my previous post. So doing that now and will come with personal analysis and new list of scummy/townie reads of players.

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: W on September 03, 2011, 12:48:18 PM
Bloodwitch > Was fooling around in D1 while RVS was over. Was totally non existent D1. So she was Nilhatak-tier useless. Seems to get replaced by someone (#174). Hopefully she becomes MORE useful thanks to this new player. #228 gives analysis, but focusses mainly on Sorc and Summoner. Hmmm in #237 comes back with vital information regarding Bremm's power.

Beetleburst > Wow, Beetleburst is absolutely not contributing anything to D2 and keeps speculating what the hell was wrong with the lynch voting. Multiple people have answered the question. Ah, finally in #213 he comes with a case. Indeed, the "WHY" question... Bremm comes with an answer, Beetle continues suspect. I can see why.

Beetle, aside from your vote on Bremm, which is in my a pretty valid case, who else is feeling scum/town to you. I am missing that from your D2 behaviour...

Sorceress > Makes a good point on why exactly Bloodwitch considers Summoner a town troll. I missed out that myself and want to know this my self now as well. FoS on Nihla is extremely surprising (not). ** face palms ** The more I read on sorceress, the more I feel derpness rising.

Coldcrow > I don't like the way she keeps writing, but play styles aside I can see where her vote on Sorceress comes from. Has been next to Rakanishu most active contributor in this game. Her vote was clearly explained by Pesco and what happened.

Eyeback > His D1 analysis reflects my D1 analysis on several similar points about Sorc/Summoner but that is very the similarity ends. Votes on Countess and then go silent for the rest of the day. Next post is......................................... wow all the way at Page 5 #216. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707158.html#msg707158)

This post is radiating so many frown-able material, my eyebrows are like catching fire.

I don't like how you call 'Kaa & summoner has been dealt with'. It is looking ugly and terrible.

Quote from: Eyeback
I echo that the poisoner need not claim. I disagree that Nihlatak needs lynching only because he lurks: that is his meta. I do agree he needs lynching for doing nothing but pointing out why others are wrong with no attempts to point to alternatives.
That is his meta? WOW, must be hell of a meta player! What makes Nihlatak any different than other lurkers? Do you know something we don't? I don't see how a poison ability is instant pro-town in this game when everything is confusing.

----
My eyes are burning and they burn the following list into this metal sheet. Because anything not written in metal cannot be trusted in this world.

- - Left to right == weakest vibe to strongest vibe - -
Possible townie-vibes: Bloodwitch, Coldcrow, Rakanishu.
Undecided: Corpsefire, Bremm, Beetleburst.
Possible scum-vibes: Sorceress, Eyeback, Summoner.
Dead-non-existent-lurkers-who-should-start-contributing: Barbarian, Nihlatak.

HOLD IT
Rereading #216 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707158.html#msg707158) again. Nope, nope nope nope. This is looking bad. I am now starting to doubt my vote on Summoner.

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Faiz on September 03, 2011, 12:53:45 PM
@Bloodwitch:  ... I thought you meant you were going to be putting me at L-1.5.  whups.

My case on Summoner consists him completely dismissing the first major argument in favor of a random vote, his reread consisting of mostly accusations and comments, and him giving up on the wagon at that point feels like someone trying to justify an unpark people had been on him about instead of trying to push who he thought was the scummiest.

@Coldcrow:  On reread I have no problems with it, at the time I was looking at others and just kinda gleaned over it.  As for today, it seemed like there was a lot more to you than you were letting in on, but knowing what caused it I believe your surprise is genuine, and we'll cross the other bridge if/when we get to it.

@Corpsefire:  If you feel that Fire Eye was trying to "punish bad play" on Summoner, what does that make your read on Summoner, then?

Anyways, I am going to work now, although I might be home early because it's outdoor work and the forecast is in the 100s here.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Decade on September 03, 2011, 02:35:18 PM
Okay. I have speed-iso'd every single goddamn person in this game, one at a time. My plan is to do this and then follow up on everyone I didn't like with a case-making reread. This list is roughly in town-to-scum order but the neutrality section is kind of unordered.

Rakanishu - Still Definitely Town
Coldcrow - Still Town
Beetleburst - Probably Town
Sorceress - Leaning Town
Bloodwitch the Wild - Neutral
Fire Eye - Neutralish
Corpsefire - Undecided
Eyeback the Unleashed - ...difficult to place. I deeply read over all his posts a few times and I'm just not sure.
The Summoner - Quite Scummy
Bremm Sparkfist -Scum Suspect #1
Nihlathak - ...wait a second

If I -HAD- to, I'd probably order my non-town-or-scum reads in a town~scum level of Bloodwitch < FireEye < Corpsefire < Eyeback, but it's not really concrete at all and don't worry too much about that.

Nihlathak's last post was #89. EIGHTY. NINE. That was FOREVER ago. Shouldn't he have been sorta modkilled or replaced or somethin, by now...? There's a difference between lurking, and just crawling into a hole and disappearing forever. Whatever, please come back and say something or I don't know. Just gonna drop him for now because there's no point wasting breath on someone who hasn't existed for THAT long.

I'd like to post this and then follow up with my rereads immediately (Hungryyyyy...), but I have a sinking feeling that if I do that, I'm just going to procrastinate and not end up doing it for hours and hours (and maybe some more hours). Soooo I better just do it right now.

K, Summoner. First, #58. This just doesn't feel town. Okay, you were going to wait for her to post and then decide to vote her or not, okay! A little bit later one person asks for votes on Sorc and you just go "HOORAY BANDWAGONING" and vote her. It's not condemning or anything, but... this just doesn't feel right.

There's just, that difference between town trying to find scum and scum trying to use their vote and not do something untownish.

...okay I can't think of anything else to say about his later posts that wouldn't just be a collection of weak prods. Sigh. I'll drop it for now because I have another suspect that I find more likely to be scum anyway.

##Vote Bremm Sparkfist

Okay well first of all his #95 is, well, remember how I was just saying that differen-okay nevermind I'll just move on to some kind of concrete point in a later post >_>; 

Hmm, overall, his posts just don't seem to have... y'know, that kind of "meatiness" in them. The content that makes you go, "Oooh, yeah, I see.". Also there's only two of them on D1 and they both feel like that. They just feel like SCUM to me. This argument is dumb but AHHGH :C gonna inb4 "omgus what the hell kind of case is that" but whatever

Look at them and think about it yourself. Here is his first real post, #95. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705065.html#msg705065) Here is his second D1 post, #149. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705842.html#msg705842)

Also, he keeps talking to Nih almost as if Nih is actually alive. The guy hasn't posted in about 150 posts, it practically makes me feel like you're putting it in just to pad out your otherwise tiny D2 opening post. Really, D2 starts and the only scumhunting you have to do is "Hmm, Fire Eye is tunneling on Summoner."? Nih does not count towards your scumhunting because he does not exist and it's such an obvious and easy target and also he does not exist and you've already asked him several times D1 anyway.

If Bremm is not scum I will eat my hat. Even if I can't explain it terribly well, I'm just so so sure he must be scum. Everything about him just... UNNYYEEEEEEUUUUGGGHGHHHHH SCUM

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 03, 2011, 02:37:33 PM
So, first, Fire Eye's early day stunt makes me go very mrrrrrr. The lack of a vote feels awkward as fuck and I'm not gonna forget that.

Sorceress' early D2 posting isn't that bad. SUMMONER on the other hand is what the fuck? Why would you ever make a post like that? Yeah, I know I'm not exactly one to talk about someone else RAGING but that was beyond the pale. Post something actually real, please.

Anyway, I actually see where I made my mistake re: the votecount. I read Sorceress as Countess re: Kaa's vote. So, uh, yeah, sorry about being dumb and not being able to read =D!

@Beetleburst: Reading the Bremm case...I'm underwhelmed. I mean, they feel like they might be valid points but there's nothing that SELLS it to me. It honestly reads like overdramatic posturing and trying to elongate a case by throwing everything and the kitchen sink at Bremm. Bremm looks bad but...your case feels off. Could you restate, concisely, your strongest points on Bremm? The ones you really think damn him? If the strongest things are defined as your post, feel free to say so. (To be honest I'm getting player tells from him but that player isn't playing so...)

Sorceress 214 feels like noise.

@Coldcrow: So what do you think about Nihlathak now that he hasn't posted for more than 24 hours? What about Barbarian?

Eyeback 216 gives me AWFUL vibes. I mean, is it possible to qualify your statements any MORE than that? "Raka is town but not TOO town because she might slip up so I can mislynch her" "Dead people are dead" "Summoner hasn't done anything today. Let's wait and see if my opinion magically changes." I'll give you that you have solid opinions on Sorc and Beetleburst, but seriously, the rest feels so CONTRIVED. I don't like it at all.

Fire Eye 217 confirms exactly what I thought. Summoner can defend that himself. That said, while I think you're mistaken I don't think you're scum (yet)

Coldcrow 218 How about the fact he's padding his posts with fence sitting and waffling?

Sorceress 224: Why the hell is Barbarian your towniest neutral read?

Summoner 227: A very WTF post that you WILL restate calmly lest I turn on you. This feels scummy as hell.

Bloodwitch 228: The irrelevance of Nih is why I think he's scum. Add to that the convenient lurking. I look forward to a vote from you.

Beetleburst 231: Proof of Role is Not Proof Of Alignment Jesus Christ, TROLLWI is the mod. Please don't try to argue that again. I agree the early claim is more town favored.

Hell, lemme just put it out there. Rereading Bremm gives me GUT! town and I don't know why because usually that type of player is the kind my gut HATES.

Also, I have no complaints about the new Bloodwitch, if that wasn't clear.

OK! Solidifying my suspects

Sorceress is likely scum, but that Summoner post was just AWFUL and felt like it was trying to capitalize on RAGE CRED
Fire Eye is off the table for me. It's one of Corpse/Barbarian, and pretty fucking obviously Barbarian. DID MY FIRST POST SCARE YOU!?
The useless tier group has been changed. Nih/Eyeback could both die, and to be honest , I'm leaning Eyeback. I hate, hate, HATE fucking Nihlathak and think he needs to fucking die before he's let anywhere NEAR a lylo, but if I want to lynch scum, I'm going to have to say Eyeback is the play. 216 puts my gut AND my brain into overload with the scumminess

Anyway, Sorc dies today and I appreciate town helping me with this endeavor =D

Another long, post, sorry, and HOLY SHIT A CUT BY BARBARIAN SCUM! Allow me to read and post my thoughts on it =D!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 03, 2011, 02:42:13 PM
Barbarian fails to impress. About what I expected, really. Lurker prod, Summoner hate (which reminds me of something), and a Bremm poke because Bremm is the popular counterwagon to Sorc. This is going to be lovely when Sorc flips scum

HEY SUMMONER, I ASKED YOU SOME QUESTIONS

Here, even restated for you conveniently because you pretty well sidestepped this and that PISSES ME OFF. Links are in this post, so you can't claim laziness (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707078.html#msg707078)

Summoner 58: Read this and answer me, Summoner. Why did you choose to vote Sorceress HERE as opposed to after you unvoted Kaa due to misunderstanding him? You are permitted to link back to a prior answer if given.

HEY BARBARIAN I ASKED YOU SOME QUESTIONS TOO. ANSWER THEM. POST IS LINKED.
Summon 60: Question stands. If you didn't want your vote floating around, why didn't you vote before?

OK, less questions than I thought but they're VERY important questions I want answered.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 03, 2011, 02:42:31 PM
...ugh, formatting fail. The second bold should be the last thing said.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Decade on September 03, 2011, 02:52:59 PM
Raka:Sorc is just... uninteresting to me.

Bear with me until Bremm flips scum, at least, 'kay? Then we can be bestest buddies. If Bremm flips town you can feel free to embibe plenty of haterade but I really really don't think he's gonna do that! :3
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 03, 2011, 02:59:58 PM
GUT =D says awful town. Sorc is really a superior lynch in SO many ways. Even if Bremm were incredibly scummy, Sorc is as well, and there's a plethora of information to be had from her lynch. The Bremm lynch would tell us...what? If he's scum that some people are a little more likely to be town? If he's town that people can be wrong? Sorc had a full wagon on her, and two full counterwagons. There's information to be mined there. I want it, and as an added bonus, Sorc is pretty awful looking!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Pesco on September 03, 2011, 03:37:01 PM
Jail Votecount

Sorceress (3.5): Poisoned, Rakanishu, Eyeback, Coldcrow
Bremm Sparkfist (2.5): Beetleburst, Bloodwitch, Barbarian
The Summoner (2) Fire Eye, Sorceress
Fire Eye (2): The Summoner, Corpsefire

Not voting: Nihlathak, Bremm Sparkfist

12 alive, 5 votes for a lynch.
49% time remaining
Nihlathak will be Inactivity-modkilled at the day end if there is no post from him by the time I wake up tomorrow.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 03, 2011, 06:44:02 PM
Although I have not much time I shall address this before it answers itself.
@Coldcrow: So what do you think about Nihlathak now that he hasn't posted for more than 24 hours? What about Barbarian?
At a glance on Barbarian?
"omgus what the hell kind of case is that"
Dissecting whether it goes up or down will come later.
On Nihlathak it means he is not here. What else would it means?
In fact it reaffirms my thoughts from what I have been taught.
This reasoning will be explained.
As a scum lurker one wishes to avoid attention and drift.
How does this reasoning compute with voting you?
If his goal were to drift to the end. Why attack the loudest?
Two goals that do not make sense together as scum.
His absence annoys. It is a terrible way to lose a town.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kabuto on September 03, 2011, 07:26:47 PM
Hmm well.  I have a chuck of time to spend right now. 

At a glance a few questions have been asked of me.

@fire-eye: This list  (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707113.html#msg707113) I gave still hasn't changed, I'll update it in a few hours after a re-read.

@raka:  Most important in the Bremm case is that his vote for countess did not feel genuine.  I neither like it for the reason he stated, nor the circumstances in which it was made, i.e, a vote made after the wagon picked up (I believe he was thrid) knowing full well that his vote nullifed both of countess's immunities whilst at least one player in the game was banking on that immunity to reduce their voting power.  Although this is info made known after I made the case, it only solidifies my feeling that the vote was simply parked.  The rest of the case is just icing on the cake, but I like to make complete cases.

Time to read..
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 03, 2011, 07:50:26 PM
I wasn't here when Crow voted, and I also believed Countess to be scum. I did not realize the amount of confusion that emerged from it, which is why I want to be more careful with my vote. Which is why I will use FoS as my vote.

@Bloodwitch the Wild: Are you defending me or are you going for my lynch?
Also, where is your own case? All you are doing is rephrasing Beetleburst.
Do you really have nothing to add?
I'm not accepting the claim that Beetleburst has said everything about me,
and why is Barbarian immediately in the clear due to GUT?
You've stated yourself that his posts were pretty useless. The fact that you cleared him so quickly with only a semi-reliable reason is suspicious.

@Summoner: ...rephrased that in more lighter terms.

@Fire Eye: Your saying that your Main point against Summoner is the fact that he had not replied to you about the reason for his panicking?

@Barbarian: I feel as if your avoiding answering Raka about Sorceress. I want to ask why you believe find Sorceress uninteresting.

Also, are you saying its pointless to ask questions to a person who has not shown up? I would like the reason in why you believe its pointless in asking a "lurker" questions. I won't accept "because he is not here". Just because hes not here now does not mean he will not be here later.

FoS: Bloodwitch the Wild
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Ryuki on September 03, 2011, 08:46:49 PM
Okay, I got better.

Raka 198: I claim self stupidity.

Fire Eye 201: That giant wall of self quotes was all my posts concerning Sorc. You kept saying I had no reason for voting Sorc, and no reason why I kept voting Sorc. And the argument was so redundant because you couldn't look at my posts that I decided to just post them all for you.

SORCERESS: This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705510.html#msg705510) is just a giant ball of fluff that doesn't accomplish anything, and lacks both opinions and scumhunting. I even ASKED (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705578.html#msg705578) you to post some opinions to let you try and redeem yourself. And you kept your vote stuck on me, which just makes it look even less like scumhunting.
The next post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705992.html#msg705992) looks wrong, and you know why? Because the opinions on it seem to be an exact copy of Raka's, but throwing some suspicion on him and Kaa to hide it. "Countess isn't looking any better"? You never said how she looked in the first place.
"Back to thinking scum here, now that I have knowledge of Countess/Kaa alignments."
How does knowing their alignments condemn me exactly?
About your "promised vote", uhhhh. Promised vote? I just want to know EXACTLY what you mean by that.
So now let's look at Sorc's case on me, one at a time.
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My case on Summoner consists him completely dismissing the first major argument in favor of a random vote
Ahaha, for that first part, let's go rewind ALLLLLLLLL the way back to ED1, Page 1 (Or two for you people who use 25 post per page)
How does "ignoring the first argument" make Summoner scum instead of just a clueless townie or one who would prefer not to jump the gun when several players haven't posted?
You used that point for your first vote on me, you completely gave up on it on your second vote on me, and now you're reusing it on your third vote on me? There's so many things wrong with that.
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his reread consisting of mostly accusations and comments
...so?
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and him giving up on the wagon at that point feels like someone trying to justify an unpark people had been on him about instead of trying to push who he thought was the scummiest.
I don't even know what you mean by this.
Looking at the rest on her scum suspects, I can't even understand her case or suspicion on Cold at all, and Nil is the easiest person to suspect.
Totes scum.
##FoS: Sorc
Because voting to L-1 this early would be close to looking for trouble.

Ugggggh, clearly lost all my motivation since this took too long to make. Got to go now, be back soon, with more reads on things before this post, so I will be ignoring anything after this post until after I finish my next one.

Warning - while you were typing 3 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Ouja on September 03, 2011, 11:44:37 PM
Sorry, my brain's fried and I am not making heads or tails of this game at right present.

I did my read of Bremm, and I can see his #169 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705842.html#msg705842) contains very little, and his entire gameplay can be summed up as "Countess is suspicious". His #225 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707290.html#msg707290) asks Nihlalurk for clear reads, but provides none himself.

Content to vote that for now. ##Unvote
##Vote Bremm
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Ryuki on September 04, 2011, 12:40:12 AM
Uhhh, first, I forgot to do this durr
##Unvote
Then I'll just redo my #227
As said in: #201 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707086.html#msg707086) a flat list as you requested:
- Voteparks on Sorc, refuses to answer any further questions.
- Panics for unknown reason.
- Then suddenly claims not getting lynched anyway. (Spite being at 5.5)
- Acts unaware why was there no L-X message. Kind of odd while he knowns his role for sure.

This is my case.

##Vote The Summoner
- As I have been saying, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, I was NOT voteparking Sorc. I had early suspicions of Sorc, in addition to agreeing with Kaa's case on her, and Sorc did not look better in my eyes ever.She is still my strongest scum read.
As for questions, there's a fair lack of them at me, and even then was just you keep asking me why I votepark. Wondering why I got so angry?

- Okay, let's address this again without the caps because you didn't see my response in the post.
1) Was voted to L-1.5 (Should have been L-1, I have NO idea why Eyeback's vote counted as half), along with a promise from Barb to join my wagon (With absolutely no reason), so I was essentially at L-.5
2) Half of the players were voting for me. Then there's Nih, Bloodwitch, and Beetle (who hasn't post before mine), who were basically useless. Seriously looks hopeless at this point. And I couldn't even get why half the people voting for me were.
3) Role related reasons
4) MotKTown activity levels: Very fucking low. We have plenty of empty hours where absolutely nobody is posting at all.

- Total Misread, Misrep, and Mudslinging. Why is this even a point for me being scum in the first place?

- Show me how I was "unaware why was there no L-X message." How does that indicate that I'm scum? Are you trying to get me to reveal my role? Do you want to know my role so badly?

Uugggghhh, I'm probably just going to stay away from Fire Eye right now because I'm still fucking pissed off at his super tunneling.

Corpse: As I said, you don't look like you're honestly scumhunting. Raka clarified what I don't like about your post 146 here[url=http://. And your Fire Eye case is very lackluster. Oh right, before I forget I also dislike your [url=http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704649.html#msg704649]26]. And your Fire Eye case is very lackluster. Oh right, before I forget I also dislike your [url=http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704649.html#msg704649]26 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707078.html#msg707078). Looking scummy, but not as much as Sorc

Eyeback:
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That he has since spent his efforts on digging up dirt on nearly all players earns my further ire and now my vote:
How the hell does that draw your ire, and how does it indicate me I'm scum? I also like how after your initial post you completely act as if Sorc didn't exist afterwards. Except you then go back and decide that Sorc is now worse than me. Looks like you're trying to capture the popular waves and trying to hide in them, since you voted me when my wagon was rising while Sorc's was dying, and vice versa. And now you just drop everyone for Bremm without explaining why he's scummy. You're second scummiest, next to Sorc, and you earn my vote for now

##Vote Eyeback

Uggh, I just don't feel like reading the game, and I can't get anything from reading.

Beetle looks alright, but I second the request to condense your case on Bremm.

Barb is... ... ...
Zzzzzzzz
Dear god, he's so easy to read. Lurker prods, cases on useless people, and a non existant case on me and unexplained. Even his latest post is attempted to justify his case on me, and he can't so he just says forget about it. And his Bremm case is argh what? I couldn't make any sense of it, it made less sense than Beetle's case, and I didn't even really read his case on Bremm.

Bremm I'll save until maybe when I have more motivation or when Beetle updates his case.

Blood I'll leave for later

Cold and Raka are town, any questions on that?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Skull on September 04, 2011, 12:54:42 AM
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Sorry, my brain's fried and I am not making heads or tails of this game at right present.

I did my read of ...
How do you do it? My brain isn't even fried, and I've had trouble comprehending anything.

Sorceress and Barbarian are Scum.
Beetle is also probably scum, but this is more of a gut reaction.

Rakanishi probably isn't scum, which means I'll need to work extra hard if I want to vote her. I doubt there's a third party so I'm out of luck, here. If my theory is correct, coldcrow is the other one I was going to lynch. At least with her, I have the meta excuse that she's impossible to read as anything but town, regardless of actual alignment.

I'm willing to support any lynch except Summoner, who is one of the very few town reads I have this game.

##Vote: Sorceress
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 04, 2011, 12:56:00 AM
And Nihlathak claims scum

##Unvote
##FoS Sorceress


Trying to end the day early, Nih?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Skull on September 04, 2011, 01:00:32 AM
Whoever this guy's name is (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707865.html#msg707865) Unvoted. My vote should theoretically bring her back to 3.5 votes.
Besides, if I wanted the day to end early, I wouldn't let something like L-1.5 stop me.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 04, 2011, 01:07:20 AM
I missed that unvote, or rather didn't register it as off Sorceress.

My apologies, you're back to annoying status rather than actively scum.

##Vote Sorceress
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Faiz on September 04, 2011, 01:07:51 AM
And now the usual re-read:

@Raka: Barb is reading as derptown, perhaps it's just me sympathizing a bit because trying to read through posts when getting cut in the game and in real life can be annoying indeed (Re: irl Yesterday).   I'm just about at the breaking point with him complaining about rl cuts though, because it's just noise.

@Bremm:  Why hold back the vote now, after you've already claimed and thus there's no confusion to be had?

@Summoner:

"How does knowing their alignments condemn me exactly?" <- They were the main reasons I steered away from your wagon at the end of the day.

"About your "promised vote", uhhhh. Promised vote? I just want to know EXACTLY what you mean by that." <- Quoting my response to Bloodwitch: "As for vote... uh... that got lost in responding to cuts <_<".  Namely the Coldcrow cut after I put down my reads on everyone.

"You used that point for your first vote on me, you completely gave up on it on your second vote on me, and now you're reusing it on your third vote on me? There's so many things wrong with that." <- Completely gave it up? I stated that I felt that I didn't like the random vote because I felt that first argument was enough to get out of RVS on my second vote.  Not exactly at the forefront of my argument there perhaps, but not completely given up like you said. (Assuming you mean #65). 

So...  isn't that what you implied I was doing with my #119?

"I don't even know what you mean by this." <- You had half a day left.  Just about everyone else has considered me scummy this entire game so far.   That is some major lack of faith in activity to think I wouldn't be able to be lynched at that point in time.

And... wait a second.  48% yesterday was too late to lynch me, yet 49% now is too early?  What?

Cut:  ... ahahaha what, Nihlathak?  Raka's probably not scum to you, so you're to have to work extra hard to vote him?  Theory and meta is also lol, how about some opinions instead.   You've managed to improve to... three people you think as scum!  With no reasoning at all!  With a side of "very few town reads" and not mentioning who you think those people are!  This just solidifies my read on you.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Ouja on September 04, 2011, 01:14:22 AM
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How the hell does that draw your ire, and how does it indicate me I'm scum?

See the rest of the post you quoted from. You made no efforts to solidify the case you were voting on, rather prepared a platform to jump on just about everyone instead.

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I also like how after your initial post you completely act as if Sorc didn't exist afterwards.

I like it myself as well.

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Except you then go back and decide that Sorc is now worse than me. Looks like you're trying to capture the popular waves and trying to hide in them, since you voted me when my wagon was rising while Sorc's was dying, and vice versa.

Completely coincidental, I happened to agree the scummiest looking person looked scummiest. Prblm?

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And now you just drop everyone for Bremm without explaining why he's scummy.

Learn to read. Then go back and read. If you still can't find it, read again.

Nihlatak, welcome back. Care to work out why Sorceress is definite scum?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Decade on September 04, 2011, 01:44:30 AM
Seconding Raka's statement that Nihlathak just claimed scum. Except Raka took it back.

Hell, his post looks like something you'd say in a scum quicktopic, not a thread. He doesn't give the slightest ounce of reasoning about anything, and says a paragraph that... seriously, that looks like something you would say in a quicktopic. Not using that as an actual reason that he's scum at all, I'm just commenting on that because it's interesting and doesn't make any sense. It's what you would say to your scumbuddies while trying to figure out who to vote.

His lynch would still be horribly and entirely uninformative at this point however, and Bremm is also completely scum, so I'm just gonna leave my vote there.

Sorc:I thought I only complained about RL cuts in exactly one post ;_; But yeah, I understand.

Bremm:Yeah I guess that point I had on you about the Nih was somewhat dumb (As in, more dumb then the rest of my rambling) without relevant flips, but it also just felt weirdish how they were worded, but :Shrug: I've read you both as obvscum at this point anyway.

Also I find it funny that Nih didn't answer a single one of your questions :V Not weird funny, just literally funny. YOU SO SILLY NIHLATHAK <3
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Ryuki on September 04, 2011, 01:57:11 AM
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Learn to read. Then go back and read. If you still can't find it, read again.
Okay, here's your vote
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did my read of Bremm, and I can see his #169 contains very little, and his entire gameplay can be summed up as "Countess is suspicious". His #225 asks Nihlalurk for clear reads, but provides none himself.

This is complete IIoA, and does nothing to try and push Bremm as scum, or convince others that he is scum, or show that Bremm is scummy.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Ryuki on September 04, 2011, 02:04:57 AM
"Completely coincidental, I happened to agree the scummiest looking person looked scummiest. Prblm?"

I'll let that slide for now then.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Ryuki on September 04, 2011, 02:16:01 AM
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"So..."  isn't that what you implied I was doing with my #119?"

No, your #119 was "just a giant ball of fluff that doesn't accomplish anything, and lacks both opinions and scumhunting."

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"You used that point for your first vote on me, you completely gave up on it on your second vote on me, and now you're reusing it on your third vote on me? There's so many things wrong with that." <- Completely gave it up? I stated that I felt that I didn't like the random vote because I felt that first argument was enough to get out of RVS on my second vote.  Not exactly at the forefront of my argument there perhaps, but not completely given up like you said. (Assuming you mean #65).
You're still completely avoiding this question asked by Kaa, that I shall once again quote
Both Sorceress' post and vote reeked of scum attempting to simulate townie action without actually taking it. How does "ignoring the first argument" make Summoner scum instead of just a clueless townie or one who would prefer not to jump the gun when several players haven't posted?

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"How does knowing their alignments condemn me exactly?" <- They were the main reasons I steered away from your wagon at the end of the day.
Again, HOW???? does that make me scum? Quit avoiding the question!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Ryuki on September 04, 2011, 02:19:44 AM
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"About your "promised vote", uhhhh. Promised vote? I just want to know EXACTLY what you mean by that." <- Quoting my response to Bloodwitch: "As for vote... uh... that got lost in responding to cuts <_<".  Namely the Coldcrow cut after I put down my reads on everyone.
Reread and acknowledged.

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"I don't even know what you mean by this." <- You had half a day left.  Just about everyone else has considered me scummy this entire game so far.   That is some major lack of faith in activity to think I wouldn't be able to be lynched at that point in time.
Of course I don't have faith, look at the last two games. One mod threatened to lowering deadline, while the other one ACTUALLY DID.

Quad posting is pro :D
I feel good, I knew that I would
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Ryuki on September 04, 2011, 02:22:17 AM
P-P-P-PENTA POST

Btw Eyeback, do you still think the people you described here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.200.html) are scum? Just for clarification. The vote's only on you because Sorc is close to death.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Decade on September 04, 2011, 02:27:14 AM
Just sayin that your link doesn't really go to a specific post, Summoner.

Not sure if that's on purpose but I'd assume it isn't. ;P
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Ryuki on September 04, 2011, 02:29:17 AM
Noted.

http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707158.html#msg707158

This post.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Faiz on September 04, 2011, 03:16:27 AM
"You're still completely avoiding this question asked by Kaa, that I shall once again quote"

Then ask me to answer instead of using it to accuse me of stuff.  As for an answer, I doubt you would have been clueless to it as you commented about Raka's very first reaction, and you being willing to drop it altogether and declare that everything was the same (I know you've already given an reason for that, but that timing was still bad).  I don't see how discussion on it would have been "jumping the gun" unless you decided to peg someone as obvtown/scum right there.

"Again, HOW? does that make me scum? Quit avoiding the question!"

I originally thought that people were trying to push bad cases and scummy claim requests on you.  Now I know otherwise.  I would call it less condemning and more of a solidifier.

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Also I am going to sleep soon and I'm not sure if my lynch is going to happen before I wake up, I'm claiming now that I'm a Survivor:

*I can use those items that get listed after the lynch, but I have to be on the wagon to get the loot.  Yesterday I picked up the Spetum, which turned out to be Shadow Wood.
*I started with two one-shot abilities.  Last night I used a scroll of identify to alignment cop Kaa, because I wanted a clear read on Raka/Kaa going foward and Kaa looked the scummier of the two.  I hadn't noticed that he had claimed a night action though.  Not revealing my other one-shot at the moment.
*My wincon also requires the Prime Evils dead.  I also know of another player that shares my wincon.  I'd prefer if they didn't claim right now.
*My vote is Physical.  Kinda breadcrumb'd it over in 119.  I'm currently not sure if my equips change this:  Shadow Wood comes with Lightning damage, but I currently have no interest in voting Bremm or Beetleburst (especially not Beetleburst  :V )

And with that, sleep, will answer questions in the morning if I'm still alive.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 04, 2011, 03:18:21 AM
Survivor claim means kill with fire.

Today is open and shut, folks. Be sure to add anything you need to get out there soon because Sorceress needs to die.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Faiz on September 04, 2011, 03:28:55 AM
Did you miss the part where I said the Prime Evils have to be dead for me to win?  I'll be honest:  Both my starting items gave me a choice of two abilities, and my remaining item gives me one-shot governor.  I'm not going to use it though because if you deem that I must die then so be it.  I was planning on using the other ability anyways.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Faiz on September 04, 2011, 03:32:44 AM
(EBWDP:  ID Scroll's other ability was rolecop, before anyone asks)
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 04, 2011, 04:11:08 AM
I actually don't give a shit. You're non town. You die. You could EASILY be lying about your win con.

There's absolutely no reason for us to let you live.

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Ryuki on September 04, 2011, 04:25:57 AM
Waiting for votecount before I vote to L-1
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 04, 2011, 04:33:47 AM
I was all set to do hard rereading to make sure I wasn't tunneling.
Then Sorceress made me feel half-better.
I want to know why you chose to cop Kaa instead of Nihlathak.
If you're a Survivor I don't believe you when you say you won't use a Governor ability. Especially if someone else shares your win condition. But I have to pause and consider. If what you're saying IS true, you're our cop.

##Unvote


I want people to seriously consider this. Is it worth it to let him live one night in order to give us rolecop results?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Ryuki on September 04, 2011, 04:53:50 AM
Role is absolutely not affiliated with alignment at all. Remember back in Jojo's when scum had a universal doctor?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 04, 2011, 05:04:20 AM
It doesn't matter. We're not talking about a doctor or a serial killer. We're talking about information.
What he's claimed he has little reason to fake. He's given us no incentive to keep him alive past tomorrow. Nor would we need to. Correct me if I'm wrong, Sorceress. Do you still win if your partner manages to survive until the end? If this question is answered yes, he will have no reason to lie to us tomorrow. Even if he does not win with us. He needs to help us find the scum.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kabuto on September 04, 2011, 05:09:34 AM
I got side-tracked when doing my reread.  But I read enough to think that summoner is probably not scum. 

I'm not thrilled with the subsequent cases against Bremm, with Barbarian followed by Eyeback which show particular shallowness.  Blood's is a bit more believable.

I believe sorc to be telling the truth about her role and alignment,  however I'm treating her as cult.

My first guess as to her "partner" is that it's Eyeback.  Gut.  Although it makes sense for the partner to be on the countess wagon but off the sorc wagon today... Bremm?

@Raka, how would a 3rd party sorc flip effect your read of summoner? (and for the others on your list for that matter)

I'd rather kill Bremm since I still believe he's scum, but at this point Sorc, your lynch is a necessity. 

@sorc, your governer ability was gotten after countess was lynched correct?  Who do you think is scum again? Still Summoner?

@Coldcrow, I agree, but why take the chance he did fake it?



Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kabuto on September 04, 2011, 05:10:20 AM
EBWOP:  That should be "Why take the chance she didn't fake it?"
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 04, 2011, 05:47:55 AM
Thinking logically, the only reason I considered her to be faking it is if she were actually scum.
This was dismissed by considering that claim as scum would be more useful without saying Survivor.
I had not considered a cult.
It would still cause her not to lie, but make lynching a higher priority.
I'm unsure if the previous logic for why scum would not claim this holds true for a cultist.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 04, 2011, 06:02:20 AM
Assuming she's telling the truth (a BIG assumption), sure, we could afford to give her another night. Except, uh, WE HAVE NO GUARANTEE SHE'S TELLING THE TRUTH AT ALL. In other words, her claim is pretty tailored to living one more night. For all we know she's an SK type player, or even outright scum. Giving her another night to live would advance a NON TOWN WIN CON. Basically, no matter what she actually is, we're guaranteed to lynch scum by lynching her.

Cult is also a good point.

@Beetle: Eh, Barb is still independently awful but less so without Sorc mafia. Eyeback or Nih can die in a fire since they're completely unrelated to Sorc, just they look awful. Summoner, not sure, still getting Derp town from him.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Pesco on September 04, 2011, 06:17:03 AM
Jail Votecount

Sorceress (2.5): Poisoned, Rakanishu, Nihlathak
Bremm Sparkfist (3.5): Beetleburst, Bloodwitch, Barbarian, Eyeback
The Summoner (2) Fire Eye, Sorceress
Fire Eye (1):  Corpsefire
Eyeback (1): The Summoner

Not voting: Bremm Sparkfist, Coldcrow

12 alive, 5 votes for a lynch.
43% time remaining
Replacement for Corpsefire has been requested and awaiting confirmation.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 04, 2011, 06:25:40 AM
Another replacement? I supose we have time for them to catch up.
Considering the points brought up I have to agree it's not worth the risks.
I still want to see Sorceress's answers and the opinions of the rest.
For now.

##Vote: Sorceress
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Ryuki on September 04, 2011, 06:26:50 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: Sorceress


Going to sleep and going to be busy for most of tomorrow, so I might miss deadline (maybe not if nobody lynches)

Cut by Cold

Guess this puts her at L-1.5
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kabuto on September 04, 2011, 06:33:47 AM
interesting Votecount again.  I find myself wondering why there is no charged bolt half vote on Barb or Bloodwitch since they don't have immunity.  Also In future, I feel like we should consider "largest bandwaggon" as the wagon with the most people on it, not purely on the power of those votes.  Bremm has 4 people whose voting power is reduced to 2.5.  Meanwhile Sorc has 2 votes plus poison to bring it to the same total.

Anyway if my vote is needed, I can move it to sorc.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kabuto on September 04, 2011, 06:37:27 AM
Going to sleep now.  My cat looks pissed that the light's still on.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 04, 2011, 06:41:18 AM
I had thought Corpsefire caused the half-vote from Charged Bolt when he voted yesterday.
I now believe I was mistaken and the Poisoned half-vote is that same power.
This does mean I must actually read Corpsefire closer.
The general good feelings I received from him may have been too tainted by perceived town power.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Sasword on September 04, 2011, 06:53:18 AM
Cutting myself for now; followup coming.

At first I thought Sorceress claimed a one-shot self-governor ability, in which case kill it with fire because I don't think Pesco is bastardly enough to include a self-governing anti-town role. Still, I don't think leaving a claimed third party alive is a good idea, since it's probable she's lying about her role so we won't lynch her today. She's the lynch for today, and I'll switch over at deadline if there aren't enough votes.

Sorceress, you say another player shares your wincon. Do you know their alignment?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Sasword on September 04, 2011, 06:56:20 AM
EBWOP:
@Sorceress: Also, could you tell us more about these Prime Evils?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Sasword on September 04, 2011, 08:03:20 AM
@Bloodwitch the Wild: Are you defending me or are you going for my lynch?
Also, where is your own case? All you are doing is rephrasing Beetleburst.
Do you really have nothing to add?
I'm not accepting the claim that Beetleburst has said everything about me,
and why is Barbarian immediately in the clear due to GUT?
You've stated yourself that his posts were pretty useless. The fact that you cleared him so quickly with only a semi-reliable reason is suspicious.
I was defending you? I'm voting you because I think there's a good chance you're scum.

Here is my case.
Bremm's first post of D2 is pretty bad, but Beetleburst already covered most of it; there's no indication of scum suspicions. His day one activity is also pretty lackluster. The vote on Countess makes absolutely no sense, given he had "better" points on Summoner and Sorcerer. Most everything else I wanted to say has already been said by Beetleburst.
To elaborate, you're asking a lot of questions, but as I see it they're not really leading anywhere. Who do you think is scum? Who isn't (optional)?   
The post where you voted Countess showed that you had scum reads on Summmoner and Sorceress...but then you ended up voting Countess for a weaker reason that I still can't understand. You provided another reason for a Countess vote D2, but I didn't see any of that in your D1 posts, so it occurs to me as a reason you provided after the fact.

On Barbarian, I hold reservation that scum would be so deliberately useless. Barbarian's player can show more competent scumplay than this. I'm not saying this clears him, but I'm wary about casting judgement so quickly on play best described as "transparently bad." It seems like a relative town tell for him.

Anyway, Barbarian is kind of rich for calling out Bremm for post padding when the majority of his own content is fluff. Why are Bremm and Nih obvscum? I missed it in your posts.

Nihlathak needs to explain his reads and troll less regarding Raka and Crow if he's not going to have serious suspicions of them.

I can't really follow how Fire Eye reaches his conclusions. Townish null due to gut, because he seems reasonable enough. I have some questions I'll ask him in another post.

Eyeback's #254 makes me raise my eyebrows. What was so special about #169 that you chose to point it out over any of the other posts Bremm made? Not having reads is bad, as I've said, but what's wrong about asking Nihaldkjst for reads even if he has yet to provide his own?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: W on September 04, 2011, 08:11:17 AM
Wait... WAIT WHAT? WHAT am I reading?!?! First I thought Sorceress was derp, but now with that unexpected claim, I am 'WTF'.

What makes her claim suddenly scum? I want clarification on this  Survivor role.

Summoner's replies on my questions... they make sense now. I am satisfied with those answers. #255 and #265 are enough for me. Putting summoner as undecided for now.

Also its a game bro, I apologise if I pissed you off or anything.

Eyeback's last post is horrible. His #216 looked bad and he is now trying to slip his way from it seems.

Until I got some clarification and answers from people here...

##Unvote
##Vote EyeBack
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Sasword on September 04, 2011, 08:20:27 AM
This is a Survivor. (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Survivor)
There's no guarantee that Sorceress is actually a Survivor though. She could be any of these  (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Third-party_roles)or even mafia.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Skull on September 04, 2011, 08:31:41 AM
I knew the player Characters had some special significance. I figured they were part of the main scumteam, and that the key that Countess dropped was part of our punishment for mislynching (scumteam getting more role power, or directly furthering wincondition), But now it looks as if they're simply an alternate scumteam.

The "I lose if I get lynched" "I can prevent the lynch" "Oh, but I won't prevent mine because it's anti-town" Sound pretty Schizo to me. At least one of these things is a lie if the player intents to follow the first rule of this game.

I doubt we have anything like a Cult, but this pretty much confirms to me that we have multiple scumteams. Sorc is a huge danger since we can't rule out her win condition also involving the town's death, but She and her buddy seem to be our only source of powerroles outside of votemessing.

this also means my low-effort reads have dropped in value, despite being correct. I'm still keeping my vote because at best, Sorc is trying to appease the town, and at worst lying.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 04, 2011, 10:00:10 AM
Looking at posts made before Sorceress simplified the day for us.
Good news Raka! I've found a read on Nihlathak that we can both enjoy!
Rakanishi probably isn't scum, which means I'll need to work extra hard if I want to vote her. I doubt there's a third party so I'm out of luck, here.

##FoS Nihlatahgks


Considering what was just revealed, this sounds like a setup. Which faction is most likely to just 'happen' to mention a third party? Which faction will then want to set up other people as possibilities for being them? Hint the answer is not town or scum.

Currently I would say his situation is perfect for a third party. Everyone is suspicious of him but no one is willing to lynch him. This still makes him not red. If Sorceress is flipped something besides Survivor I will panic in his direction. If not? Red first and others will follow.
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If my theory is correct, coldcrow is the other one I was going to lynch. At least with her, I have the meta excuse that she's impossible to read as anything but town, regardless of actual alignment.
So I'm a town read but you want to lynch me anyways? That's cold. See what I did there? Are you planning to share your theory before or after you get killed by a vigilante?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Pesco on September 04, 2011, 11:01:32 AM
Inner Cloister Votecount

Sorceress (4.5): Poisoned, Rakanishu, Nihlathak, Coldcrow, The Summoner
Bremm Sparkfist (3.5): Beetleburst, Bloodwitch, Barbarian, Eyeback
The Summoner (1) Sorceress
Fire Eye (1):  Corpsefire
Eyeback (1): Fire Eye

Sorcess is at L-0.5
Not voting: Bremm Sparkfist

12 alive, 5 votes for a lynch.
40% time remaining
The last votecount had a mistake and is now corrected.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Faiz on September 04, 2011, 01:02:06 PM
@Raka:  *shrug*

@Coldcrow:  At this point, there's almost no point to governor-saving myself, because the next day could very easily wind up being me getting policy lynched.  Alignment cop and rolecop were tied to the same one-shot, should have made that a tad clearer.  Reason for copping Kaa I explained.  As for #278:  I doubt it, just because of our nature.  They still have no reason to lie though.

@Beetle:  I started with that ability.  And... wait, you believe me and then treat me as something completely different?  When did "cult" enter your thought process?

@Raka 282: ... Didn't I just claim I had a way of getting that night, everyone's intentions be damned?

@Beetle:  ... huh, I thought Charged Bolt was specifically your ability.

@Bloodwitch:  I have no info on the Prime Evils that isn't already out there.  As for the other question: No, but that wincon kinda shoehorns them into the same position as I.

@Fire Eye:  See: Bloodwitchlink.  Usually they win with either side (which is why you see people calling for my head post-claim), but having to kill off the Prime Evils as well gives me a slight bias.

@Nihlathak:  "But now it looks as if they're simply an alternate scumteam." <- Think about the implications of this for a moment.  Seriously.

All things considered, I've pretty much considered myself as a town role from the start.  And trying to keep myself alive just for the point of doing so would go against my wincon of killing some scum, and it wouldn't really help my survivor wincon because it honestly does nothing to make people not want to lynch me, outside of saving them the trouble because I could die overnight instead.

As for stuff not relating to claims:

@Beetle:  Summoner/Nihlathak still, not sure on any others at the moment.

I... also thought the Charged Bolt was your ability, since that's what Beetles do.  I can't really test that theory at the moment because of the obvious ramifications, so yeah. 

@Nihl:  ... The implications of the stuff you say in that first paragraph are so mind-boggling.  Also, how can you be so certain about your reads of they're "low effort" and still not stated.

And Coldcrow, I'd most certainly be willing to lynch Nihlathak at this point.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 04, 2011, 01:06:06 PM
@Coldcrow: I like it! The thing is though, the multiple scumteam spec with no real basis for it feels more like someone who's part of a 2 scum team who's finally seen some things click.

@Sorc: Yes. You claimed you had a way of getting that night. It's a pretty convenient way to dissuade us from lynching you. Excuse me if I don't believe you.

Fire Eye defending Sorc so blatantly gives me huge partner tells from him.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Faiz on September 04, 2011, 01:30:25 PM
@Raka: *shrug again* 

I'll go ahead and claim the rest of it, since I was trying to bait the NK with the threat of a night action:  Second item's a Scroll of Town Portal, and its other ability was Commuter.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: W on September 04, 2011, 01:51:43 PM
Well, Bloodwitch that link you gave me clarifies more than enough for me. Thanks.

Also, let me clear this: I asked this question because obviously I have no idea what the hell was going when I woke up this morning. (GDI timezones, always making me read so many crap afterwards)

I didn't knew what to think of this Survivor role and Sorceress claim. Hence, the public question. Provided with the info, I went back to read Sorceress D1 and D2 posts. And reading her posts still doesn't give me town-reads.

Raka, you were right when you said I was mistaking for tunneling Summoner early on. Remember? you called me out on why I didn't vote for Sorceress, and kept on tunneling on Summoner? Well all my questions are answered by Summoner. And like Bloodwitch and Coldcrow said, there is no guarantee in her role claim.

On the other hand.... I have lots of questions for Eyeback in D3...but that is for Day 3


Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kabuto on September 04, 2011, 02:28:56 PM
@Beetle:  I started with that ability.  And... wait, you believe me and then treat me as something completely different?  When did "cult" enter your thought process?

@Beetle:  ... huh, I thought Charged Bolt was specifically your ability.

I... also thought the Charged Bolt was your ability, since that's what Beetles do.  I can't really test that theory at the moment because of the obvious ramifications, so yeah. 

Ah, so you had the Governer ability the start of D1.  The reason I asked was that Summoner as since stated that your lynch was "not going to happen" because of something in his role.  I think he knew you had a governer ability.   I wonder why he didn't point this out D1 since self-governer abilities are anti-town.  Considering he already revealed he had a role anyway (and it seemed to be a significant PR), I really can't see what stopped him from going further.  If you flip non-scum, I will seriously consider the prospect of Summoner Scum.  I remember Fire-eye getting exsasperated over this D1. (could mean he is indeed the partner)

Charged bolt is my innate ability.  people paying closer attention (as you did) might have seen a 0.5 bolt slapped on barbarian for voting me.  I doubt it affects people with lightning immunity's though, since I voted Bremm and have no bolt in return.  Also it may not trigger if the vote itself only counts for 1/2.  Although my role pm didn't say anything specific about that.  That means that Raka and Bremm's "lightning enchanted" is probably different from mine.  Look for it again D3, first thing btw.   It may mean Scomething.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Faiz on September 04, 2011, 02:44:39 PM
I dunno what's up with Summoner's "role related reasons", unless it truly is insider info (which in that case I don't even know what anymore).  I still don't understand why you were thinking cult though.

I think your ability may be unique to you instead of being a general Lightning Enchanted ability.  IIRC, Beetles were the monster type that had innate CHARGED BOLT WHY.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kabuto on September 04, 2011, 03:02:53 PM
I first thought cult because there are two of you, and it made some sense to go with your supposed wincon.  Possibly someone was recruited, in which case you had no partner D1.  You sound powerful for a cult, but also powerful for a surviver. 

I remember dozens of smarming bettles Act 2 with electricity flying everywhere while I was running and laying traps as an assassin.  Of course I remember fighting raka Act 1 with lightning spewing from him as well.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kabuto on September 04, 2011, 03:31:46 PM
##Unvote

Keeping it Kosher.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kabuto on September 04, 2011, 03:37:21 PM
Oh, that's what made me uneasy.  the votecount on Bremm  got changed from 2.5 --> 3.5.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 04, 2011, 05:55:16 PM
Sorceress should see from the reaction to her claim that her partner has all kinds of reasons to lie. :V Change very easily policy lynched to absolutely certainly policy lynched with no chance of being nightkilled.
@Coldcrow: I like it! The thing is though, the multiple scumteam spec with no real basis for it feels more like someone who's part of a 2 scum team who's finally seen some things click.

Fire Eye defending Sorc so blatantly gives me huge partner tells from him.
Fire Eye not knowing what a Survivor is gives me huge I am Not A Survivor tells.

That's an interesting theory. 2 scum and 2 survivors would be balanced in this setup? It really rides on how much truth Sorceress is telling.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Sasword on September 04, 2011, 06:22:56 PM
I was a bit confused when Sorc mentioned the Prime Evils due to them not being mentioned in my PM, but then I saw this from the opener.
The Prime Evils, Mephisto, Diablo and Baal, roam the lands disguised. Their mere presence taints the air. To defeat a demon, one must become a demon themselves and not lose hold of sanity. Bounty hunters, adventurers, monsters and heroes have gathered to root out The Three. But at the same time, to attain glory, rivals need to be removed too.

So there's at least a 3-person scumteam in the game, I think.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kiva-la on September 04, 2011, 06:29:57 PM
Alright I have just replaced and I'll need to do some rereading and some thinking.

First things first though

##Unvote

I need to reread before I can commit to this or say much other then that I think they key that dropped when The Countess died is for someones win condition.

As for this

I remember dozens of smarming bettles Act 2 with electricity flying everywhere while I was running and laying traps as an assassin.  Of course I remember fighting raka Act 1 with lightning spewing from him as well.


Anything Lightning Enchanted could spew charged bolts upon being struck.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Pesco on September 04, 2011, 08:15:24 PM
Cathedral Votecount

Sorceress (4.5): Poisoned, Rakanishu, Nihlathak, Coldcrow, The Summoner
Bremm Sparkfist (3): Bloodwitch, Barbarian, Eyeback
The Summoner (1) Sorceress
Eyeback (1): Fire Eye

Sorcess is at L-0.5
Not voting: Bremm Sparkfist, Beetleburst, Corpsefire

12 alive, 5 votes for a lynch.
33% time remaining
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kiva-la on September 04, 2011, 09:27:43 PM
I'm willing to support any lynch except Summoner, who is one of the very few town reads I have this game.

May I ask why you think The Summoner is town? You haven't really posted that much to make why you think that clear.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Skull on September 04, 2011, 11:34:27 PM
I believe Sorc's claim. Still willing to lynch for information since she's not town, but she's also still not Mafia.
Since Sorc is no longer mafia, Raka is also no longer not-mafia. I can't tell if Her pushing Sorc is in part due to opportunism or if it's just playstyle.

In any case, at least two or three of the main scumteam are in this list:

Fire Eye
Bremm Sparkfist
Corpsefire
Eyeback the Unleashed
Beetleburst

Cut: As for why I think summoner is town, It has a lot to do with the tone of his posts.

##Unvote: Sorc
##Vote: Bremm Sparkfist
Either lynch will work, but I prefer Bremm slightly more since I think this will hit closer to the mark.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 04, 2011, 11:44:35 PM
My GOD Nihlathak just gets worse and worse. Why are you changing your vote with less than 30% of the game day left? Trying to opportunist your way into a mislynch, scum?

Kill. With. FIRE!

Also, to be honest I actually think Sorc is mafia. I have no reason to believe this beyond GUT =D. It makes NO LOGICAL SENSE...but it just *feels* that way.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 05, 2011, 12:40:27 AM
@Eyeback: Your 254 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707865.html#msg707865) post confuses me.
If your not making heads or tails of this game, for what reason do you believe you would think clearly on a specific target?

@Nihlathak: Your post 258 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707931.html#msg707931)
...What did you mean by "I wouldn't let something like L-1.5 stop me."
This is extremely questionable. Also, I state once again,

Why do you answer so subtly?
Your answering questions with Rhetorical questions. You assume that we know what you are saying with just vague words.
What are your reads?
State it as clear as possible.

@Barbarian: Then we have nothing to say.

@Bloodwitch: Does asking questions have to lead somewhere in order to ask them?

At the moment I find Nihlathak leaning scum, due to his suspicious and ...strangely scary content today.
Barbarian as neutral leaning scum due to his complete reliance on GUT.

@Sorceress: ...So in accordance to Beetleburst's link...and in conjunction with what everyone is saying...Survivor is a High priority lynch.

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 05, 2011, 12:51:15 AM
@EBoDP

@Nihlathak : You may ignore my part of "What are your reads".

So you believe 2 or 3 out of the 5 listed are scum.
Do you have any reason for stating "out of these 5 people, atleast 2 or 3 are scum"?

Also, do you have any reason other then "tone of his voice" as a reason for his clearance as town?

You believe me to be closer to scum then Sorceress. Is there any reasons for this?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 05, 2011, 12:52:41 AM
@EBWODP:
By: Also, do you have any reason other then "tone of his voice" as a reason for his clearance as town?
I mean for Summoner.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Faiz on September 05, 2011, 12:53:56 AM
@Coldcrow:  Seeing the reactions,  I'd actually have to agree with you now  :colonveeplusalpha:

@Nihlathak:  ... At least he gave us a list we might be able to look into for his scumbuddies? Maybe?

##Unvote
##Vote: Nihlathak


@Mod:  In case of a tie at deadline, who will wind up lynched?

[pesco]Whoever reached that vote value first[/pesco]
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Decade on September 05, 2011, 12:58:14 AM
-Sorc must die because even if she's a survivor, it's very likely she's lying about Prime Evils dying being her wincon (If it's true she'd basically be Town that has to be alive when Town wins to actually win, and we wouldn't need to kill her, but we can't afford to take this risk)

-Bremm and Nihlathak are still scum. Coldcrow/Raka/Beetleburst are still town.

Bremm: I'm glad we managed to reach this conclusion! :3 I had an absolutely cordial time together with you. We should do this again sometime.

-Bloodwitch: Unless there are townies who had Prime Evils mentioned in their rolepm as wincon, Bloodwitch is now confirmed town. At least, she is to me. Saying this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg708329.html#msg708329) would be a huge gamble for a scum because they wouldn't know what a town's rolepm said, and if it was contradictory, then they could possibly be instantly outed. If anyone has an issue with my logic here, please leave a complaint and I'll get back to you on that.

I am now falling into the state of waffle where I doubt the validity of all my reads and start thinking the ones I had pegged as scum are just derptown and that I still have absolutely no idea who is or is not scum. So I'm going to tape my mouth closed now and continue going on Bremm and Nih being scum and Sorc needing to die until we've got some delicious flips and such.

Oh cut by stuff.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Ryuki on September 05, 2011, 01:08:19 AM
Quote from: Beetle
The reason I asked was that Summoner as since stated that your lynch was "not going to happen" because of something in his role.
What? I never said anything of that sort.

Also, Sorc's claim is most likely a scum fakeclaim.
1) Claimed Survivor, so to try and survive later as a non-priority 3rd party
2) Claimed information role, and gave out USELESS INFORMATION, attempting to survive another day. CLASSIC SCUM CLAIM.
3) Claimed Self Governor, making us even more discouraged at trying to lynch her currently.
4) Claimed Third Party, WITH A PARTNER. Now she's trying to sidetrack town by getting them to look for a 3rd party, which may or may not exist.

Look at the results. Now town is floundering around trying to figure out priorities. The number 1 priority should ALWAYS be to hunt for scum.

Oh cut twice.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Skull on September 05, 2011, 02:50:37 AM
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Do you have any reason for stating "out of these 5 people, atleast 2 or 3 are scum"?
Player list -Self -Third Party -town reads

Quote
Also, do you have any reason other then "tone of his voice" as a reason for his clearance as town?
I admit I don't.

Quote
You believe me to be closer to scum then Sorceress. Is there any reasons for this?
Like I said, I don't think Sorc is faking her role. What Summoner says about trying to last another day might be true, but if she were fake claiming, I personally think she'd come up with something less obviously scummy than claiming not-town.

@Raka: So I was scum for (supposedly) putting Sorc at L-0.5 earlier in the day, but now I'm scum for taking Sorc from L-0.5. Which is it?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 05, 2011, 02:56:50 AM
Both. The day was at around 50% when you voted. It is now below 30% unless Pesco is REALLY NICE about activity. We need a lynch, and I'd prefer a conclusive one so that bullshit can't occur later.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Skull on September 05, 2011, 03:14:06 AM
May as well address this, too.

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Why do you answer so subtly?
Your answering questions with Rhetorical questions. You assume that we know what you are saying with just vague words.
What are your reads?
State it as clear as possible.
I could, and have before written paragraph long essays. I could comb though a person's post, and pick out every little piece of bullshit they spouted, and put it on display for the rest of town to see. I can, and spend many games, running through each post, and paraphrasing the opinions and things I noticed in their posts in a point-by-point-analysis. I could do all of this, and you guys would still read me as clearly as you are now. In fact I've developed a lot of bad habits as a result of this playstyle.

Cut: It's been 20% of the day, and it's only been a day so far. I don't see what the problem is with my voting pattern, unless you wanted a lynch now. In fact, why not hate on the people who are still voting for the wagons that aren't going to go anywhere, or not voting at all? They're not even getting their hands dirty with the potential for being on a myslynch.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Kabuto on September 05, 2011, 03:15:11 AM
I'm checking this thread quickly, and am doing other stuff, but I can only imagine Sorc as the only viable lynch.

I don't see "town floundering" and I highly doubt some "bullshit" will occur at this point.

##Vote: Sorceress  to L-0.5 again.

Please raise your hand if one of you monsters would be willing to hammer at an appropriate time.

@Summoner, My memory might be off, I'll check and get back to you in an hour or two.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Den-O on September 05, 2011, 03:17:40 AM
Nih, do you even read votecounts? The last one, 6 hours ago, says we had 33% of the day left.

Secondly, I'll probably be getting to them after I have flips, you're just the most blatantly obvious scum.

Thirdly, you lurked for more than 24 hours. It has been almost ANOTHER 24 since you first deigned to post in the thread after your lurkscumness. What the hell is wrong with you?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Skull on September 05, 2011, 03:19:44 AM
What the hell is wrong with you?

In fact I've developed a lot of bad habits as a result of this playstyle.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 05, 2011, 03:31:35 AM
I believe Sorc's claim. Still willing to lynch for information since she's not town, but she's also still not Mafia.
Since Sorc is no longer mafia, Raka is also no longer not-mafia. I can't tell if Her pushing Sorc is in part due to opportunism or if it's just playstyle.
Further proof I am a psychic. I can't believe you did exactly what I said you would. >_>

-Bloodwitch: Unless there are townies who had Prime Evils mentioned in their rolepm as wincon, Bloodwitch is now confirmed town. At least, she is to me. Saying this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg708329.html#msg708329) would be a huge gamble for a scum because they wouldn't know what a town's rolepm said, and if it was contradictory, then they could possibly be instantly outed. If anyone has an issue with my logic here, please leave a complaint and I'll get back to you on that.
This is a bad question that no one should answer. The most likely role pm's to include mention of the Prime Evil's are those with roles that directly affect them. I believe your logic holds for clearing Bloodwitch as town. Sadly for you, it does not cease implicating you as scum.

Let's not fight about playstyles. Knowing they're bad habits, you should attempt to kick them. Nihlathak would find his opinions get listened to more if he didn't come off as the creepy ghoul in the corner lurking, watching, waiting for his chance to feast on someone's brains.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Pesco on September 05, 2011, 04:46:32 AM
Catacombs Votecount

Sorceress (4.5): Poisoned, Rakanishu, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Beetleburst
Bremm Sparkfist (4): Bloodwitch, Barbarian, Eyeback, Nihlathak
Nihlathak (1) Sorceress
Eyeback (1): Fire Eye

Sorcess is at L-0.5
Bremm is at L-1

Not voting: Bremm Sparkfist, Corpsefire

12 alive, 5 votes for a lynch.
29% time remaining
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: W on September 05, 2011, 06:19:11 AM
Just woke up and thought my time zone would cause 573496738 new messages again. But surprisingly that wasn't the case.

And I am wondering, how like do people want to wait anyway?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: W on September 05, 2011, 06:25:06 AM

...... note to self: do not try to type after just waking up.  Like == Long.

"And I am wondering, how long do people want to wait anyway"
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Sasword on September 05, 2011, 06:37:15 AM
Do we have around a day left?

I want time at least to make a few more posts addressing some stuff.

Fire Eye, your opinions on Sorc/Bremm?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: W on September 05, 2011, 07:33:32 AM
About Sorceress >> Provided the information you gave me previously, I think of the following:

Survivor is supposing a 3rd party role. I think I should call it 'riding people's backs'. They probably operate for their good. They sway from side to side depending on their own outcome.

If I had to follow this info, then I don't believe sorceress. I haven't seen any of this type of behaviour in her D1 and D2. IMO, if I were a survivor, I would stay low and not derp around like Sorc did in D1 and D2. And now, she suddenly starts claiming more roles/powers putting us all in confusing. Basically, she failed hard and raised scum-reads all over her.

"When you cannot convince them, confuse them."

Either way, lynching Sorceress causes no loss for Town. If she flips scum than its even better for Town.

About Bremm >> Bremm gives me derptown reads. Especially how he keeps clustering his posts because he is trying to answer everything at the same time. His question why I tunnelled on Summoner was already asked by many other people and was basically derp. How he questioned Nihlatak when nihlatak was non-existent, again derp. His #313 is face palming.

As I said before, Bremm's powers are imo dangerous. But if he is really town then it's okay, as long as he uses it with care.

If I had to restructure my town/scum-vibe list (left to right == weak to strong):
Possible Town: Bremm, Blood, Cold, Raka
Undecided: Beetle, Barbarian, Corpse, Summoner
Possible Scum: Eyeback, Sorceress
Still-useless-people: Nihlatak

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Sasword on September 05, 2011, 08:57:29 AM
@Bloodwitch: Does asking questions have to lead somewhere in order to ask them?

At the moment I find Nihlathak leaning scum, due to his suspicious and ...strangely scary content today.
Barbarian as neutral leaning scum due to his complete reliance on GUT.
Well, usually people ask questions because they have an issue they want to resolve. Asking questions for the sake of asking questions is very nice and all but scum can do it very easily. What's important is that we can see the conclusions from your questions.
Anyway, could you elaborate on your suspicions?

In any case,
##Unvote
I don't think Bremm is the lynch for today. I need some more time to digest his posts, because I'm not sure now if the overall disconnectedness is derptown or derpscum. I'd much rather lynch Sorceress for her overall behavior and the fact that she's a claimed non-town role. I'd note that if Sorceress does in fact flip Survivor, we should largely ignore her partner, since I'd assume in that case we'd have overlapping wincons.

Berber Ryan: That's very nice, but you didn't answer my question here:
Why are Bremm and Nih obvscum? I missed it in your posts.

Nickelback: Is there any reason you're voting Bremm besides "Let's not lynch the claimed Survivor?" I haven't seen a lick of justification for your reads, so I'd like if you provided something.

Coldcrow, what do you think of Bremm, since I think you said you were going to look over him again? I also want a little clarification on this passage, since I've no idea what you're talking about.
Further proof I am a psychic. I can't believe you did exactly what I said you would. >_>

I had something to ask Raka here but I forgot what it was. This is here so I can try to remember.

Anyway, we should lynch Sorc today. I'll reread Bremm overnight to see if I can get a better read. Eyeback looks pretty bad for general nonpresence and fairly weak votes, so possible scum. Barbarian is getting on my nerves for still not having any cases, so he's a null read now. Nickelback is similar but is less likely to be scum.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Pesco on September 05, 2011, 09:26:32 AM
Sewers Votecount

Sorceress (4.5): Poisoned, Rakanishu, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Beetleburst
Bremm Sparkfist (3): Barbarian, Eyeback, Nihlathak
Nihlathak (1) Sorceress
Eyeback (1): Fire Eye

Sorcess is at L-0.5
Not voting: Bremm Sparkfist, Corpsefire, Bloodwitch

12 alive, 5 votes for a lynch.
26% time remaining
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Diablo 2)
Post by: Ouja on September 05, 2011, 10:24:05 AM
I'm reading this game. It still doesn't make sense. Sorceress claimed Survivor, what are you waiting for?

##Unvote
##Vote: Sorceress
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Night 2)
Post by: Pesco on September 05, 2011, 11:20:44 AM
Rocky Wastes Votecount

Sorceress (5.5): Poisoned, Rakanishu, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Beetleburst, Eyeback
Bremm Sparkfist (2): Barbarian, Nihlathak
Nihlathak (1) Sorceress
Eyeback (1): Fire Eye

Not voting: Bremm Sparkfist, Corpsefire, Bloodwitch

Sorceress was lynched.

Sorceress was Player Character survivor mason

Night 2 begins. You have 24 hours to send in an action. If you choose to do nothing, please say so. If you don't send in an action it will be assumed you're doing nothing. Day 3 will begin when all actions are in.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Pesco on September 06, 2011, 08:15:28 AM
Beetleburst died overnight.

Beetleburst was a Superunique

Stony Tomb Votecount

Votes: None

Not voting: Everyone

10 alive, 4 votes to lynch
100% time remaining

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Skull on September 06, 2011, 08:30:23 AM
Orange?
Well, doesn't matter. Orange is still not red.

##Vote: Eyeback
Why the quickhammer? Afraid the wagon might have moved onto your scumbuddy?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Skull on September 06, 2011, 08:43:22 AM
Bremm and Eyeback are buddies. Third scum is one of these five

CorpseFire
FireEye
ColdCrow
Rakanishi
Summoner

List is ordered in terms of most likely to least likely from my PoV.
It's no surprise Beetle was killed last night, since he's the one who started the wagon on Bremm.
Anyone who doesn't already know my feelings on Barbarian isn't paying attention to the game.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Ouja on September 06, 2011, 10:05:52 AM
I was entirely afraid the guy I was voting might've become the lynch.

There's a Survivor on the table. You lynch Survivors. I did not want to suffer someone getting wet feet and moving off of her. My feelings have not changed since the previous day.

##Vote Bremm Sparkfist
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Decade on September 06, 2011, 11:22:51 AM
Nih is starting to remind me of someone and I don't like where that reminding is going because it's someone who could be playing like him and still totally be town. Then again,  they'd probably play the same as scum? Oh whatever I'll think about this when I'm not sleep deprived

Bremm is still scum so I'm going to concentrate on that at the moment.

I also have to leave right now so I don't have time to say anything else.

##Vote Bremm Sparkfist
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: W on September 06, 2011, 11:48:48 AM
Hey Eyeback, you made us all frown with odd words when Kaa and Countess died. Now you performed a  "holy shit faster than Mach 3" hammer making weak excuses afterwards. You think we are going to buy that?

##Vote Eyeback
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Ouja on September 06, 2011, 12:08:13 PM
A quicklynch alone does not scum make. Lazy and opportunistic much?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: W on September 06, 2011, 12:22:49 PM
Oh, I am opertunistic/lazy and Nihlatak, with the same vote/post/idea about quicklynch isn't?

I said I didn't like your behaviour in D2 and would question it in D3 wouldn't I? Prblm?

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Ouja on September 06, 2011, 01:12:40 PM
Oh, I am opertunistic/lazy and Nihlatak, with the same vote/post/idea about quicklynch isn't?

Both of you are lazy and opportunistic. Of the two in hindsight, I agree that Nihlatak should have earned the retort earlier, for his stupidity in scumteams on D3 with neither investigative results nor evidence to back his idea. "Guarding my scumbuddy" applies only when Bremm Sparkfist flips scum.

Quote
I said I didn't like your behaviour in D2 and would question it in D3 wouldn't I? Prblm?

You said that before the quickhammer. Quite frankly I am not seeing the 'questioning' of my behaviour other than semantics over how I word things.

I think it's much more interesting how you and Rakanishu appear to share a common trait, and how that is inherently anti-Town.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Ouja on September 06, 2011, 01:13:37 PM
The trait, that is. I could care less about the sharing of it.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 06, 2011, 03:59:45 PM
Conflict.
On one hand. When someone dies screaming someone's name as scum, it means something.
Even if the Beetle was trying to deflect the lynch from his color. Accidental good hunting?
On another hand. Eyeback used the Beetle as a reason to start looking at Bremm in the first place.
Surprise hammers delivered with confidence can come from either side.
Nihlatak picks up more minus points by voting the buddy instead of the one he finds as scum.

I want to see honest to goodness reads from both parties. Full reads of everyone. Who is town, who is scum? Will you finally lynch Barbarian with me today?
To answer what Bremm asked someone else. Yes, questions need to go somewhere. Why are you asking them? What conclusions did you get from them? This is how we see into your soul. I can't figure out what you've concluded from anything.
I can't figure out Eyeback either. He seriously does look to be finding reasons to follow the highest wagons. I don't find his explanations for switching cases satisfactory, they feel like excuses. The amount of confidence felt behind lynching the survivor when still certain the other wagon is definite scum is wrong as well.
If Eyeback is referring to the trait I believe he refers to I must ask what about it is anti-town.
I hope Nihiltak doesn't think I've forgotten him. He should know I have for now. Survivors aren't interesting.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Skull on September 06, 2011, 04:15:43 PM
Far as I'm concerned, Bremm is the buddy.

I was entirely afraid the guy I was voting might've become the lynch.

Afraid was the wrong word. Your quickhammer was still opportunistic.
We still have another survivor left. Would you place his lynch above that of the scumteam that's trying to kill us?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Pesco on September 06, 2011, 05:14:34 PM
Dry Hills Votecount

Eyeback (2): Nihlathak, Fire Eye
Bremm (1.5): Eyeback, Barbarian

Not voting: Rakanishu, Bremm Sparkfist, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Corpsefire, Bloodwitch the Wild

10 alive, 4 votes to lynch
94% time remaining
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Den-O on September 06, 2011, 05:18:28 PM
Long story short Eyeback dies today.

##Vote Eyeback

I'm pretty sure this vote won't count which actually pisses me off quite a bit! But wait until another votecount occurs to confirm. I don't want a quicklynch, but I want my preference known.

Anyway, I'll be rereading Day 1. Starting to get some gut pings on my town reads because I should be dead by now. Even if I have Eyeback right, my lightning enchantment means he's immune to my vote and thusly I'm not a threat, especially if I have his buddies wrong. But, I'll be doing this reread after I do a ton of other stuff. Should come out later today.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Ouja on September 06, 2011, 07:09:46 PM
Quote
The amount of confidence felt behind lynching the survivor when still certain the other wagon is definite scum is wrong as well.
It is in a survivor's best interest to assist whatever team has a lead on victory. I'm not going to bet on them assisting us during LYLO, and neither should you.

Quote
If Eyeback is referring to the trait I believe he refers to I must ask what about it is anti-town.

I'll let Fire Eye claim that one. If he doesn't claim it, I'll do it for him, and I don't intend to hide anything about it.

So Fire Eye, claim or I'll do it for you. You still have the opportunity to claim while hiding the uninteresting parts: I'm only interested in revealing the anti-Town part, but if you insist on silence I'll claim everything I know instead.

Quote
Afraid was the wrong word. Your quickhammer was still opportunistic.

Terrible. I lynched whoever majority wanted lynched.
 
Quote
We still have another survivor left. Would you place his lynch above that of the scumteam that's trying to kill us?

If he spreads his arms out in love and hopes for mercy? Yes.
Actively hunt for one? No.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Ouja on September 06, 2011, 07:13:08 PM
Also, just so you understand my position on Survivor because MOTK is always going down the derp road when observing Survivors:

1 Town, 1 Survivor, 1 Scum
2 Town, 1 Scum

2 Town, 1 Survivor, 2 Scum
3 Town, 2 Scum

2 Town, 1 Survivor, 1 Scum

Five situations. Two of these are LYLO, one of these is potential LYLO, two of these are Game Over for Town. And in two of these, placing a vote first on a Townie wins them the game.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Ouja on September 06, 2011, 07:26:56 PM
Also,
##Unvote
##Vote Bremm Sparkfist


I am not sitting at L-2 by myself.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Pesco on September 06, 2011, 08:01:09 PM
Halls of the Dead Votecount

Eyeback (3): Nihlathak, Fire Eye, Rakanishu
Bremm (2): Barbarian, Eyeback

Not voting: Bremm Sparkfist, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Corpsefire, Bloodwitch the Wild

Eyeback is at L-1
10 alive, 4 votes to lynch
86% time remaining
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Den-O on September 06, 2011, 08:09:31 PM
Counts as .5 it looks like. I'm fine with that.

What's INTERESTING is Eyeback's vote went from .5 to 1.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Den-O on September 06, 2011, 08:16:44 PM
##Unvote

Apparently I don't know how votes work and Pesco doesn't know how counting works.

##FoS Eyeback

Consider him at L-1. He should claim.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 06, 2011, 09:44:28 PM
@Eyeback: I don't understand your logic. You believed me to be scum. Yet you then decide a claimed Survivor had a much higher priority then me. Was that the amount of confidence you had when you voted me? If so, then you yourself do not believe in me to be Scum. Also, with the way your votes have been moving, it looks more to me like your jumping the highest wagons.

If you put it like that then I guess I see the logic.
Also, you know you were already voting me right?


@Nihlathak: I need to ask, what did you mean by
Player list -Self -Third Party -town reads (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg708591.html#msg708591)?

Also, by your answers, what your saying is "Everything I'm doing is because I believe it, reason can go out the window."
If this is not a correct interprete of your answers to my questions, then elaborate for me.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 06, 2011, 10:13:02 PM
Dear Bremm and Eyeback:

Those do not look like general reads. This is an example for you!

Town

Rakanishu <--- This is where you want to be
---
---
---
Bloodwitch the Wild
----
The Summoner
Fire Eye
----
Corpsefire
Barbarian
----
----
Nihlathak (Survivscum)
Bremm Sparkfist <----- This is where you are because you're scummy
Eyeback the Unleashed <----- This is where you are because you're scummy
Scum


If you can't do this and explain your reasoning for each one you get to be scum.
Please actually look like you're trying to read.

Signed,
ColdyCraws
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Sasword on September 06, 2011, 11:14:45 PM
I feel like I'm being ignored. Hey @ALMOST EVERYONE, I had questions for you, could you answer them?  :ohdear: I still want read justifications from Bieberian and Nickelback (Why am I missing from your post, by the way?). And Bremm, but it's pretty clear by now that he's not interested in providing reads just by his first post of today. Bremm needs to actually take a clear stance on something, anything.

I almost forgot about my question to Eyeback given I asked it days ago.
Eyeback's #254 makes me raise my eyebrows. What was so special about #169 that you chose to point it out over any of the other posts Bremm made? Not having reads is bad, as I've said, but what's wrong about asking Nihaldkjst for reads even if he has yet to provide his own?
As far as I can see #254 was the entirity of your case against Bremm, am I correct?

If you can't do this and explain your reasoning for each one you get to be scum.
Please actually look like you're trying to read.
Hey Coldcrow, that ladder doesn't actually tell me much given it could be easily constructed by skimming the thread for popular opinion. Could you elaborate a little?  :3
#345: Coldcrow, you think Beetleburst was paired with Sorceress despite not flipping survivor mason? Waffling between Bremm and Eyeback being town/scum despite the later list showing you think they're both scum? Also I already answered Bremm, but it's clear you haven't been reading my posts because you missed the post where I both answered him and asked you a question. Here:
Coldcrow, what do you think of Bremm, since I think you said you were going to look over him again? I also want a little clarification on this passage, since I've no idea what you're talking about.
Further proof I am a psychic. I can't believe you did exactly what I said you would. >_>

I forgot Corpsefire was playing until I looked at the votecount. He should post whatever he has to give us something to work with.

At this point I'd lynch Eyeback over Bremm. (The quickhammer yesterday was a null tell imo because the lynch was happening anyway; I don't know why people are taking it as the be-all and end-all of scumminess). What I do dislike is his wafer-thin content. Bremm is similar, but his floundering is less scummy than Eyeback's general sleaziness.  More scum than mafia.

##FoS: Eyeback the Unleashed

Baby don't hurt me, baby don't hurt me, no more...

I'll post more after dinner, waking activities, and a reread.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Kiva-la on September 06, 2011, 11:45:38 PM
I forgot Corpsefire was playing until I looked at the votecount. He should post whatever he has to give us something to work with.

I honestly can't think of much other then what I've already said about Nihlathak and how they seem to want the summoner alive. They seem to say that the Summoner is their strongest town read when asked.

That and I assume the Lynchings if those 2 (Nihlathak and the Summoner) is related to someones win condition alongside the Countess seeing as they dropped a key. This is mostly based on what the keys did in Diablo 2, Who dropped them and what they where used for. If I had to guess who would win it would be Sorceress hinted at partner which may or may not be true or exist.

Personally I think Eyeback looks suspicious but I don't want to be hasty and vote right now.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Sasword on September 07, 2011, 12:27:15 AM
It's fine if you don't vote right now, because votes are weird. Still, who do you think is scum? What does Nickelback wanting to keep the Summoner alive mean to you? Why do you think Eyeback looks suspicious? Opinions are a good thing. Setup speculation is fun and dandy but it's not really useful for us.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 07, 2011, 12:29:30 AM
I'm not ignoring you, you're just not interesting to read right now.

Hey Coldcrow, that ladder doesn't actually tell me much given it could be easily constructed by skimming the thread for popular opinion. Could you elaborate a little?  :3
Nope. Ask me again later.
Quote
#345: Coldcrow, you think Beetleburst was paired with Sorceress despite not flipping survivor mason? Waffling between Bremm and Eyeback being town/scum despite the later list showing you think they're both scum?
Beetle may not have been paired with him as a mason, but they may have shared win conditions. It's irrelevant really.
I think they're both scummy. Looking at their interactions I don't think they're scum -together-. Especially not with the way Eyeback turned his vote to Bremm with Sorceress sitting there the first time, before he hammered.

I can't get a good read on Bremm besides that he's confused, that's why I'm asking him for his own reads. Eyeback comes off more callous. Neither of these are town or scum tells. If it came down to it now and neither of them posts anything I would vote Bremm over Eyeback based on the nightkill alone. The other suspect I can think of based on the kill is Summoner, but he's much higher up the list.
I read your second question and forgot about it as I was running out the door. Read here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg708155.html#msg708155) followed by here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg708505.html#msg708505) for my precognative abilities.

For Corpsefire. As a mason it would seem Sorceress was not lying about his partner.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Kiva-la on September 07, 2011, 12:41:56 AM
It's fine if you don't vote right now, because votes are weird. Still, who do you think is scum? What does Nickelback wanting to keep the Summoner alive mean to you? Why do you think Eyeback looks suspicious? Opinions are a good thing. Setup speculation is fun and dandy but it's not really useful for us.

Based purely on conjecture I think Nihlathak wants the Summoner alive because he just kinda jumped off the Summoner bandwagon day 1 and didn't really say why IIRC. As for Eyeback I'll need to reread in more depth right now it's just based on what everyone else is saying and a feeling.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Pesco on September 07, 2011, 04:49:14 AM
Far Oasis Votecount

Eyeback (2): Nihlathak, Fire Eye
Bremm (2): Barbarian, Eyeback

Not voting: Bremm Sparkfist, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Corpsefire, Bloodwitch the Wild, Rakanishu

10 alive, 4 votes to lynch
71% time remaining
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: W on September 07, 2011, 09:27:00 AM
I think it's much more interesting how you and Rakanishu appear to share a common trait, and how that is inherently anti-Town.

I'll let Fire Eye claim that one. If he doesn't claim it, I'll do it for him, and I don't intend to hide anything about it.

So Fire Eye, claim or I'll do it for you. You still have the opportunity to claim while hiding the uninteresting parts: I'm only interested in revealing the anti-Town part, but if you insist on silence I'll claim everything I know instead.
 
If he spreads his arms out in love and hopes for mercy? Yes.

So many words, pointing and claiming yet with so little justification.  All I am reading from your posts is a weak attempt to attack. You sound so vague, yet demand things when you haven't even explained anything yet. I am wondering who is opportunistic and lazy here again? Rolefishing much? Instead of making about Motk-mafia-setup speculations, why don't you actually start talking less nonsense?

I and Rakanishu share the common trait? Anti-Town? Define 'anti-Town' as Rakanishu asked you to because you are turning this into "who wants to be a millionaire" game again. All these the reads and mudslinging I am getting from you look really terrible.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 07, 2011, 01:22:57 PM
@Barbarian: I looked over you again.
I need to ask this. Why did you completely avoid the sorceress wagon?
When you were asked about it, you replied with this.
"I think someone asked me about Sorceress? Eh. I don't see what the big whoop was about her." - Complete Evasion of the Sorceress wagon D1.

"Sorc is just... uninteresting to me." - This was said AFTER he posted her asleaning town. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707622.html#msg707622)

How do you find someone leaning town if you don't even find her interesting enough to read?

If you add the fact that Sorceress had Barbarian as towniest D1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707287.html#msg707287).
When Barbarian seems to be getting in the radar, she says hes derptown.

When Sorceress claimed, Barbarian immediates jumps on it and goes.

-Sorc must die because even if she's a survivor, it's very likely she's lying about Prime Evils dying being her wincon (If it's true she'd basically be Town that has to be alive when Town wins to actually win, and we wouldn't need to kill her, but we can't afford to take this risk) (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg708537.html#msg708537)

Main point of this, Barbarian and Sorceress avoided each other as much as possible, yet when Sorceress is certain to get hammered Barbarian immediately jumped for it.

##:Vote Barbarian

Still waiting on Nihlahtak to answer.

 

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Skull on September 07, 2011, 02:51:10 PM
Bloodwitch is not on my list because he has the same win condition that I do.

Only Scum need to justify their reads. Town only does it because it looks like, and because they hope others will be swayed by their posts.
I'm not saying reasoning has no place or value. I just don't feel like showing my work.

Quote from: Bremm
@Nihlathak: I need to ask, what did you mean by
Player list -Self -Third Party -town reads?
Those are minuses. Scum is equal to the player list, minus the people who are not scum. People such as town reads, the third party group, and, of course, myself.

Also that's a pretty fine case you got there, Bremm, except why are you scumhunting for Sorceress's buddy? Everything about Sorc's claim would make sense to be true. Especially that part about them needing to lynch the main scumteam to win. Unless you really believe Pesco would put us into a game where we could only have a single myslynch I see no reason at all the believe that Sorc's team can win by siding with the Primeevils. Keep in mind, Town win condition doesn't specify a target, and there was apparently another third party in Beetle.

Besides, if we did lynch Sorc's partner, that would just put us into Eight Person Lylo which sounds like three mislynches in a row to me.

This reconfirms my feelings on who we should be lynching.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Skull on September 07, 2011, 03:07:29 PM
Based purely on conjecture I think Nihlathak wants the Summoner alive because he just kinda jumped off the Summoner bandwagon day 1 and didn't really say why IIRC. As for Eyeback I'll need to reread in more depth right now it's just based on what everyone else is saying and a feeling.
I didn't vote anyone besides Raka all day one.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Ouja on September 07, 2011, 05:45:03 PM
Fire Eye. I'm a Tracker. Tracking Rakanishu failed to produce results. I theorised it was the "Extra Fast" portion that grants Track immunity and attempted to see if it was true.

For all my bravado I don't have much to provide. I maintain that Bremm is scum, further advanced by his interest in pursuing a TP today rather than scum, or even Not Me Over Me.

I don't have much to say about people voting me because yes, I hammered and didn't inform anyone I would. You're treating what is essentially a nulltell as a Super Scumtell: why the hell would scum perform a low-reward/high-risk move? WIFOM, that's why; and as such it is a nulltell.

So lynch me today and kill me tonight, I don't care. If there's a counter to Tracker, then I'm sure scum'll employ it.

Meanwhile you can live on in your pretty fantasy world where scumteams are evident on D3 based on Town and ITP flips (seriously, what the shit, Town, why do you permit this kind of bullshit?) and quickhammers. Yes, because I am deadly afraid the guy I want dead might be lynched.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Pesco on September 07, 2011, 05:52:35 PM
Maggot Lair Votecount

Eyeback (2): Nihlathak, Fire Eye
Bremm (2): Barbarian, Eyeback
Barbarian (1): Bremm

Not voting: Coldcrow, The Summoner, Corpsefire, Bloodwitch the Wild, Rakanishu

10 alive, 4 votes to lynch
57% time remaining
The Summoner has been prodded
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: W on September 07, 2011, 06:06:39 PM
Fire Eye. I'm a Tracker. Tracking Rakanishu failed to produce results. I theorised it was the "Extra Fast" portion that grants Track immunity and attempted to see if it was true.

For all my bravado I don't have much to provide. I maintain that Bremm is scum, further advanced by his interest in pursuing a TP today rather than scum, or even Not Me Over Me.

I don't have much to say about people voting me because yes, I hammered and didn't inform anyone I would. You're treating what is essentially a nulltell as a Super Scumtell: why the hell would scum perform a low-reward/high-risk move? WIFOM, that's why; and as such it is a nulltell.

So lynch me today and kill me tonight, I don't care. If there's a counter to Tracker, then I'm sure scum'll employ it.

Meanwhile you can live on in your pretty fantasy world where scumteams are evident on D3 based on Town and ITP flips (seriously, what the shit, Town, why do you permit this kind of bullshit?) and quickhammers. Yes, because I am deadly afraid the guy I want dead might be lynched.
Your story is EyeBlinding.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Skull on September 07, 2011, 06:09:01 PM
Did you only have one Tracking attempt? Did you track Raka twice?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Skull on September 07, 2011, 07:00:36 PM
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I think it's much more interesting how you and Rakanishu appear to share a common trait, and how that is inherently anti-Town.

So the "trait" was one of the things listed in the side by the avatar. This makes the vagueness of your statements regarding the issue much, much less scummy, and backs up your story. Also, your claimed target does check out with your previous suspects list.

Also, please note I dropped the "afraid" wording, since it wasn't valid. I maintained that the voting for Bremm was bussing (Scum do that, ya know) and that the quicklynch was a lapse in personal feelings entering into the equation once you saw Sorc was in range, and wasn't town.

In any case, the issue with the whole traits thing is stupid, but it's a special kind of stupid that is hard to make up, so I'll take his claim as the truth.

##Unvote: Eyeback
FoS: Bremm Sparkfist

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Sasword on September 07, 2011, 07:53:06 PM
I'd like for Eyeback to fullclaim his results and explain why he deliberately chose to track people whom he thought had Track Immunity. If I'm reading correctly.

Eyeback, could you also answer the question I gave you? :( I'm just interested in what your reasoning was at the time.


Bremm, I don't understand your Barbarian case. Are you pushing him as mafia or as Sorc's buddy? Because we're not interested in the latter.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Decade on September 07, 2011, 07:56:21 PM
Nih looks... better. And also more like that person I mentioned before, which is actually starting to :gasp: make me seriously consider a possibility that Nih is actually not scum. More on that after we get flips.

@Barbarian: I looked over you again.
I need to ask this. Why did you completely avoid the sorceress wagon?
When you were asked about it, you replied with this.
"I think someone asked me about Sorceress? Eh. I don't see what the big whoop was about her." - Complete Evasion of the Sorceress wagon D1.
yep

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"Sorc is just... uninteresting to me." - This was said AFTER he posted her asleaning town. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707622.html#msg707622)
So uninteresting people can't be town?

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How do you find someone leaning town if you don't even find her interesting enough to read?
...what? I never said I didn't read her. I just said she was uninteresting. Being town isn't particularly interesting. Lots of people are town. Except in this game, possibly. At this rate, judging from a few things I've seen, I'm not going to be surprised if half the players are non-town.

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Main point of this, Barbarian and Sorceress avoided each other as much as possible, yet when Sorceress is certain to get hammered Barbarian immediately jumped for it.
Oh yes. Because claiming survivor (Someone who is looking for scum and therefore it's not shocking if they look townish) is totally a reason to not lynch them.

Nih has brought up wonderful thoughts though that Sorc wasn't lying about having to kill Prime Evils to win just because, due to her also having a partner, there would only have to be like 1 scum or else town gets so few mislynches that we don't even. And also since Beetleburst was third party too, apparently. It also means that hunting for the third party survivor partner to Sorc is dumb because we don't need to lynch it and if we did it'd be like, LyLo, with 2 policy lynches on people that weren't even anti-town. The first lynch is acceptable because it confirms Sorc's claim.

Anyway so far I've said almost nothing but defense on myself and restating things Nih already said, making this post sorta useless so far. Okay, so. Bremm is even more scum then he was before (And he was scum before already) and needs to die today. He's hunting for a third-party survivor that most likely isn't even anti-town, instead of hunting for scum.

Since I'm starting to consider Nih as not obvscum, and Eyeback is looking possibly not scum, and my other neutral read is town, wait who was on my list again okay I got it. Fireeye, Corpsefire, and The Summoner. But I might be getting ahead of myself here... blarghenhargen. For the moment I am going to entertain my current thoughts that everyone other then those three (and of course Bremm) is not scum and see where my reads go. That would only lead to one of the four not being scum though, and the thought that I've got 3 scum in 4 suspects when we don't even have a single scumflip or at least LyLo is so utterly ridiculous to me that I can't really believe I'm not being dumb.

I'll probably condense my thoughts into something slightly less stupid next time I look at this game with a clear head, though!

Cut. Resisting the urge to answer Bloodwitch because it's much better to let Eyeback do it himself.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Den-O on September 07, 2011, 08:01:05 PM
So first, Eyeback's claim is a scum claim. "I DECIDED TO TRACK SOMEONE I FIGURED I WOULDN'T GET RESULTS ON SO I COULD CLAIM TRACKER SAFELY"

As it happens, he is right I didn't go anywhere, but he's wrong about me having tracker immunity. I honestly suspect he's a scum tracker. Nih becomes more and more anti town by the minute, and quite honestly I'm sick of him living. I'm not even sure he's scum anymore, he's just someone that is manifestly useless to town. I don't think I've ever had the misfortune of seeing anyone so awful since wrathie. Well, maybe Seniwac.

Third, sorry I never got that read done yesterday, what I ended up doing ended up taking more of my concentration than I thought it would and it went on for 12 hours. And then today I woke up feeling sick and napped for about 7 hours and still feel like shit, especially when I woke up to the downstairs being flooded. My house is AWESOME.

I'll try to get it out nowish since I should be less busy.

Did anything important outside of Eyeback's claim happen?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Ryuki on September 07, 2011, 08:04:09 PM
Oh hi I'm here!

Eyeback: Scum, scum, scum. Your day 2 is really lackluster, coming with a really weak case to join the Sorceress wagon, then completely dropping that for a really weak case on Bremm. Then you decide that hunting scum is second priority to killing survivors. Town's objective is to kill SCUM, Scum's objective is to kill anybody not scum, and that includes 3rd parties. Townies shouldn't be scared of 3rd parties until the scum are dead. Ending the day early was also a convenient way to avoid answering questions (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707980.html#msg707980).
Your day 3 opener is really wrong. You're afraid the guy you think is scum would be lynched, so instead of that you decide to lynch an ITP?
You trying to get dirt on Fire Eye and Raka really irks me. Especially your explanation for it. You're really going to use set up speculation to get us to suspect them? Especially with PESCO as the mod.
If you don't want to get lynched, then prove to us how Bremm is scum. And don't just link whatever case you had, make an updated one.
##FoS: Eyeback

Warning - while you were typing 3 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
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Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: W on September 07, 2011, 08:26:29 PM
Right, Eyeback. You have scum reads all over in your eyes, including the ones on your back.

- You quicklynched like holy moly Mach 3 Gillette fusion while we were trying to find scum. Blocking ANY information we could've gotten from Sorceress or other reads.
- Knowing your scummy opportunity looked very bad, you try to act innocent by calling Nihlatak and co lazy and opportunistic, trying to distract attention.
- Next, you tried so hard to act pro-town by shouting a lot of nonsense and rolefishing like Rex Hunt's fishing adventures.
- Finally, now you claim a role as tracker theorizing about Trollco's setup and speculations?

Any more scum cards left to play?

Aside your silly mini "cases" (randomness) on few people, you pretend to be active scumhunting right now? Well? Where are you cases on the others in D3? Oh right, you have none, because you are out of cards.

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: W on September 07, 2011, 08:32:37 PM
Reading on Barbarian. His #373 makes me question suddenly many things about him.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Decade on September 07, 2011, 08:39:19 PM
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I can't really believe I'm not being dumb.
yeah and I am, overreacted to Eyeback's claim

Still prefer Bremm's lynch today though.

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Den-O on September 07, 2011, 08:44:40 PM
Nihlathak, is this a lyncher claim? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704667.html#msg704667) Serious question, since it'd make a lot of sense given how utterly fucking awful you are.

I'll be honest, by page 2 Coldcrow is giving me weird vibes now that we know Sorc is 3rd party. I don't have any logical grounding for this yet, but I'm getting GUT =D on her...

Barbarian continues to bug me because it feels like he's trying to play it safe while not letting people accrue town reads.

I still don't like Barbarian's thoughts not ending in a vote and ignoring Sorceress. The latter is a Sorc partner tell but I don't necessarily feel that from him. OK, next post is a vote but it's more of a prod vote than anything that fits with what he said above.

Oh, this is rich. So Eyeback tracked me N1, despite the fact that Kaa and I were lower on his suspects list, and I personally was only suspected because he didn't like my playstyle? WAY TO FAILCLAIM, EYEBACK

Coldcrow 103: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705107.html#msg705107) feels kind of off to me, if I'm being honest.

Hrm, not sure how I feel about Coldcrow's explanation. I do wonder this, though. What's your opinion now that she flipped Third Party, regarding her behavior.

Ugh, I can't finish this. I'm just not GETTING anything from it. Nothing is changing. I have GUT =D on Coldcrow and it's clouding my thoughts, I have Barbarian being kind of...there but not really doing anything making him scum. I have Nih being awful as Nih being awful. And I'm fairly certain Eyeback is scum.

I think I'm just too sick to think straight.

Barb trying to dissuade the Eyeback wagon feels more awful, by the way, judging from cuts.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Pesco on September 07, 2011, 08:47:30 PM
Lost City Votecount

Eyeback (1): Fire Eye
Bremm (2): Barbarian, Eyeback
Barbarian (1): Bremm

Not voting: Coldcrow, The Summoner, Corpsefire, Bloodwitch the Wild, Rakanishu, Nihlathak

10 alive, 4 votes to lynch
56% time remaining
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Den-O on September 07, 2011, 08:51:25 PM
YAY I CAN VOTE AGAIN

##Vote Eyeback

DIE DIE DIE =D~!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Ouja on September 07, 2011, 08:52:04 PM
Summoner: I am clearly being sarcastic because Nihlatak claimed I was trying to prevent a Bremm lynch. That's the guy I want lynched since D2.

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I'd like for Eyeback to fullclaim his results and explain why he deliberately chose to track people whom he thought had Track Immunity. If I'm reading correctly.

How would I know anyone has Track immunity before ever tracking? Rakanishu was my N1 target. Hence why I said she was probably Town, as I thought at the time my result indicated Rakanishu did not act. My N2 result showed a different matter altogether and thus, it seems my Track of Rakanishu failed.

Now then, since "Spectral Hit" and "Open Wounds", my abilities, are listed in my profile, I liberally assumed "Extra Fast" is an ability, and given it failed on someone who was Extra Fast... do you follow this train of thought?

I didn't inspect Rakanishu on N2, nor Fire Eye. My second target did not act at all in the night and is Bloodwitch.

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Then you decide that hunting scum is second priority to killing survivors. Town's objective is to kill SCUM, Scum's objective is to kill anybody not scum, and that includes 3rd parties. Townies shouldn't be scared of 3rd parties until the scum are dead.

This is so retarded. Town's priority is to eliminate anti-Town elements. Survivors are not pro-Town. Maybe I should remind you louts about Zombie Mafia, where scum won by claiming goddamn third party and getting away with it?[/i] And you seriously want to suffer a claimed non-Town to live because this is totally not a priority to kill?

Well, okay. Okay. My priorities for lynching are obviously completely counter to Town. If scum wins alongside third parties because the latter decided to screw you in the arse because it was more profitable for them, don't come crying later, it'll be your just desserts.

My final scum card left to play is that when I'm dead, you'll all realise I was actually the Town Tracker, and you can all go grill Rakanishu on why my Tracking attempt on her failed. It'll be worth it. :)

And Summoner? I already made my case on Bremm. Deal with it. If "he hasn't done anything" isn't enough for you, then honestly, I stop caring.

The case on me is stupid and forced out of "omg quickhammer on itp so scum", because clearly scum would want ITPs dead more than Town does. ITPs threaten scum as much as they threaten Town. If you guys want to throw your lot in with them, hey, go ahead. I'll be here, dying, getting out of your cycle of stupid. Because that's stupid. Anything Not Town deserves to die. Why the fuck do you want them to live?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Den-O on September 07, 2011, 08:55:30 PM
Wait...let me read something.

I'm going to claim what Extra Fast does. It lets me act first in the action order (PRETTY FUCKING USELESS AS I HAVE NO ABILITIES).

...

/me facepalms

Yes, that IS track immunity. Fucking hell. You're still scum though for other things, and your claim feels like scum tracker.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Den-O on September 07, 2011, 08:57:07 PM
Hrm...maybe it's track immunity.

I'm actually not sure. If a tracker tracked a roleblocker, he'd still get results, assumably.

So, scratch that, it's probably not tracker immunity since investigations usually resolve pretty late anyway. In fact, it kind of makes me super trackable since no matter what I do you'll see it.

So, yeah, Eyeback has something fucked up here.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Ouja on September 07, 2011, 09:00:02 PM
You'll have to figure it out after my death then. My track on you failed, and when I die you know it to be true.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Den-O on September 07, 2011, 09:02:00 PM
Did it ever occur to you that you got ROLEBLOCKED, MAYBE?

Because that's really a more reasonable explanation than my actions resolving first being tracker immunity.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Ouja on September 07, 2011, 09:04:47 PM
Nope. Because it didn't say I failed. But hey, it's a scum claim, why would you argue it with me? There's no possible way I could be Town, right? And clearly when I die it's a non-issue you don't have to worry about. Not like I could possibly be an honest-to-goodness Tracker on Town's side or anything.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Decade on September 07, 2011, 09:11:29 PM
I am confused now.

So what you're saying, is that YOU did not fail, but it failed to work on Raka, and this failure was beyond just Raka not doing anything, but certainly wasn't something like a roleblock either?

And you're SURE of all that?

Because seriously, what. This is starting to sound more like logic failure then anything else. And I know what logic failure sounds like, I preform it myself all the time.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Den-O on September 07, 2011, 09:12:19 PM
Given what I know, I have literally no reason to believe you. So, fine, I'm done arguing. Excuse me for trying to explore the possibilities before condemning you. You're scum.

@Barb: He's tripping over his claim to try to set me up to look bad if he managed to survive.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Decade on September 07, 2011, 09:14:51 PM
@Barb: He's tripping over his claim to try to set me up to look bad if he managed to survive.
I do realize this is quite possible. It could be a logic failure regardless of whether he's telling the truth or not. But might as well grill him (Especially since I'm on the side that wants Bremm dead more today, even if Eyeback will follow tomorrow. It will also give him another chance to track someone and give us info that may or may not be useful depending on whether Eyeback is actually scum or not.)
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Den-O on September 07, 2011, 09:15:55 PM
Yes, let the claimed likely scum power role live longer. THAT'S intelligent.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Skull on September 07, 2011, 09:19:16 PM
Back up a second.
Why did you track Bloodwitch?

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This is so retarded. Town's priority is to eliminate anti-Town elements. Survivors are not pro-Town.
I've already stated why I have trouble believing Sorc and her party were "Anti-town" elements. I wasn't against the sorc lynch for information purposes, and I'm not crying over Beetle's death by any means, but I don't think, given the information that we have that the last survivor is of higher priority than, say, people whom the town win condition actively needs to be dead. I get what your point is, but it just doesn't apply in the current scenario.

Raka: No, I'm not a lyncher. It'll all make sense after the game. Probably.

8 Cuts: Eyeback, stop being angry and fucking around.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Ouja on September 07, 2011, 09:22:31 PM
Possibly, but I couldn't know. I figured trying to get something out of Fire Eye was the easiest way to do things. Turns out it's nothing to do with Extra Fast. Outside of scum powers or just anti-town Tracker abilities all I can think of is if my Spectral Hit hit an immunity and changes the element of my actions, too.

Because that's what Spectral Hit does. It changes the element of my vote. It may also affect Open Wounds and if "reduced effectiveness" means "lol ure roleblockt" when I attempt it on one then... what is this nonsense etc.

On Bloodwitch at least I got a proper result which says she targeted no one.

But yeah, I'll let you guys figure out this mess because you're so convinced my ideas that Third Parties deserve death is completely scummy and that I can't be a Town Tracker it's honestly making my brain hurt even more than it already did way in D2 when I stopped being able to make sense of all this.


And yeah, Barbarian, listen to Rakanishu. She can't be wrong, after all. Aggressively pushing without ever producing a case and arbitrarily deciding scum... if she's Town, she's harming Town more than Scum so far. If she's Scum, well, noose and lynch.

I should probably look into it. Scum pushing hard for Town Power roles to get lynched isn't so uncommon, especially if there's zero justification (and no, UK, "he quicklynched a Survivor" is not justification) and all the zeal of something silly.

Fire Eye, since you mentioned it: I call Nihlatak and co lazy and opportunistic because opening a day with ##Vote The Guy Who Quicklynched pretends you're actually doing something. You assume a quicklyncher has no reason to do what he does and will not come forward with an explanation. You presume that someone who quicklynches is completely and utterly unaware of how much MOTK hates people who do things like that and assumes he'll be let scot free for it.

The case on me is lazy and opportunistic because they're jumping at something that would naturally be explained by the offender, and I had honestly expected Town to realise just how goddamn lazy opening the Day with ##Vote Obvious Target and nothing else to say.

I'll save it for the post-game, then, and make this my last Mafia game.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Ouja on September 07, 2011, 09:25:02 PM
And no, I remain angry. Because you guys are not thinking. You're putting on blinders and pretending that there is absolute scum in quicklynching a goddamn third party. You pretend that it's a perfectly valid, self-evident case and throw all other things out the window. It's obvious who I am, I should think, given my way with language.

Do you honestly expect anyone on MOTK, though, would be so dropdead retarded as to quicklynch someone and not understand the consequences? It's a nulltell, ffs.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Ouja on September 07, 2011, 09:31:47 PM
In fact I'll ask all of you who vote me for quicklynching the goddamn third party: explain how scum benefits from this movement, and why scum know they can get away with it. If I am scum, then clearly there are scumbuddy connections.

Town!Eyeback lynched because he worried Town would do The Stupid Thing and suffer ITPs to live in some naive assumption that ITPs are pro-Town.
Now I want to know what Scum!Eyeback gains. Yes, I'm invoking WIFOM. Deal with it, you're pretending it's a scum move, I want you to explain it now.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Pesco on September 07, 2011, 09:34:08 PM
Ancient Tunnels Votecount

Eyeback (2): Fire Eye, Rakanishu
Bremm (2): Barbarian, Eyeback
Barbarian (1): Bremm

Not voting: Coldcrow, The Summoner, Corpsefire, Bloodwitch the Wild, Nihlathak

10 alive, 4 votes to lynch
55% time remaining
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Decade on September 07, 2011, 09:36:14 PM
About all this third party lynch debate: Sorc needed to die (Ex:What if she's lying about being a survivor, or about her wincon), but after new information has come up including the stuff her flip confirmed, her partner does not need to die.

Along with Sorc needed to die is Eyeback isn't scum because of hammering. There wasn't a super huge amount of time left anyway.

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Decade on September 07, 2011, 09:37:24 PM
EWBOP:I don't mean he's not scum, due to having hammered, just saying it doesn't MAKE him scum.

 
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Den-O on September 07, 2011, 09:40:24 PM
Actually I posted a case Day 2. Maybe if you actually read the fucking game you'd know that, Eyeback. But keep discrediting me. Get angry. Be a fucking troll. That's what scum want, right?

Your AtE is pissing me off because I can't tell if it's fake or real. All I know is it's provocative, which is just as anti town, if not more so, than I supposedly am being, according to you.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Den-O on September 07, 2011, 09:44:49 PM
Look, I need to review my case on you and repost it. YOU need to take a fucking breather and come back when you can post something that's not useless chaff.

Deal, Eyeback? I'm honestly starting to question myself here, so I'd prefer not to have to come back to more provocation that's going to lead me to rage tunnel on you.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Ouja on September 07, 2011, 09:46:46 PM
I'm not appealing to your emotions, I want you to state a case logically and concisely. You voted me today going only on about my vote on Sorceress and the resulting lynch.

I'll quote your case for you:

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Eyeback 216 gives me AWFUL vibes. I mean, is it possible to qualify your statements any MORE than that? "Raka is town but not TOO town because she might slip up so I can mislynch her" "Dead people are dead" "Summoner hasn't done anything today. Let's wait and see if my opinion magically changes." I'll give you that you have solid opinions on Sorc and Beetleburst, but seriously, the rest feels so CONTRIVED. I don't like it at all.

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Eyeback or Nih can die in a fire since they're completely unrelated to Sorc, just they look awful.

Misrepresentations (implying I want to 'mislynch' you), and making ridicule of what I said. Oh, and I look awful.

Link me to this magical case of yours, Rakanishu.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Skull on September 07, 2011, 09:48:07 PM
I'm fairly certain no one is lynching you for the quicklynch, or for the fact that you were targeting third party anymore. You had by no means a strong presence on Day two, and your quicklynch came in out of no where with no explanation. I voted you because I wanted an explanation for why you felt the day needed to end early. You brought up the issue of the ITP in your defense. Now, you are being Angry, and difficult, and this is what's causing people to think you are scum. You are biting at the people who are still trying to reason with you, and since you refuse to reason back, those people have quickly given up.

Honestly, even if you flip town, I doubt your claim would make me take a sideways glance on Raka.

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There wasn't a super huge amount of time left anyway.
At least 24 hours by my count, if activity continued at the rate it did.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Ouja on September 07, 2011, 09:52:55 PM
And you ninja me with the promise of making one.

See, the above is why I accuse you of having no case. That's no case. It doesn't say that I am scummy or why. Just that you feel uneasy about parts of it and that you think I look awful. I don't know why or how I look awful and all I get is you debunking my post with twistings of my words and then further parading that I am absolute scum today for no reason other than the hammer on claimed ITP.

I don't care for emotion or whatever. I want a quantified case I can take serious so I can stop thinking you're all falling over yourself locking into a lynch that isn't even supported by logic. I don't want Town to look back on D3 and think, "OK, Eyeback got lynched... Town Tracker, because he hammered an ITP. Shit, no one has a case, are they all scum?", I want Town to be able to look at the solid cases out there on why I am scum and decide from there which one rings true and which one is just crap.

Now, do you understand why I might just be a little bit annoyed people do nothing but relentlessly attack and chant how I am scum, discarding reason and thought?

And I know Fire Eye has been saying more things, but they're nothing more than blind accusations under the assumption I'm scum. Yeah, look hard enough and you can paint a lot of actions as scum.

Demanding I express suspicion as if it is a quantifiable number is also a joke, and refusing to do it yourself is also a joke. Coldcrow applies reasons to accuse people of being scum that apply to himself as well, and deftly avoids answering any questions about it. No one questions it. The crowd voting me is just being silly and frustrating because they make no sense from my point of view.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Den-O on September 07, 2011, 09:54:34 PM
Then show me how that was misrep? You were completely waffly in that entire post. I used hyperbole, but the base point was you literally had no strong opinions in that post at all. And, as Nih says, your presence was fairly not found for most of Day 1 and Day 2.

Secondly, you are appealing to my emotions and everyone elses. You're trying to ridicule me so I get pissed off at you. People who are pissed off make mistakes. Whether it's scummy or not depends on if you were intending to do that. So, you have a choice. You can calm the fuck down, post something reasonable, or you can die for your baiting.

And you ninja me by discrediting what WAS a case. I DO actually say why it's awful. I state it's contrived. I state that your statements are qualified. I didn't SAY they were safe but that's what I mean. So I really have no idea how to make it more clear to you, and I'm honestly getting pissed off at the implication that's not a case.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Den-O on September 07, 2011, 09:55:46 PM
EBWOP: Oh, bonus points for misrepping what I said. I said I'd review and repost the case, not that I have to make one.

I can't even read your posts anymore without getting an anyeurism because the way you're seeing things is NOT HOW THEY FUCKING ARE IN REALITY. It's REALLY FUCKING FRUSTRATING to be baited and misrepped, and I AM FUCKING TIRED OF IT

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Decade on September 07, 2011, 09:58:06 PM
At least 24 hours by my count, if activity continued at the rate it did.
I recall Pesco saying that days end at 12%, which means there wasn't even 15% time left.

Although, I don't think I've ever seen this mentioned in the thread, so it's not impossible he was messing with me. I generally accept that I can't be sure whether he's kidding or not about anything he says in irc.

In the meanwhile, gonna just step away from the thread for a bit while people calm down. Or while they don't calm down.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Ouja on September 07, 2011, 10:06:09 PM
Who's baiting? I'm saying you have no case. I never said I wanted to mislynch you. That same line could have been taken for what it is: I think Rakanishu is Town, but I am certainly not married to that assumption; I'm not 100% she's Town.

I threw it out there because at the time I thought my Track showed you targetted no one and I felt it was pretty unlikely scum'd be so devoid of power. If I died for some freak reason, or if I claimed later, I could point at it and say, "See, I softcrumbed it a bit".

Instead, you take it to mean that scum!Eyeback is saying he wants to mislynch you later and throws out that line for no reason.

That's a misrepresentation, because you give only one presentation of the analysis of that statement, which holds true only if you assume I'm scum.

I'm not baiting, nor am I trolling or whatever. You're exaggerating and blowing my actions out of proportion. Yes, I mad, but that's for all the reasons I already stated. People are being stupid without being furious enough already, what makes you think my express purpose is infuriating people so they lynch me? That makes no sense. It makes more sense that I'd be annoyed over how weak the cases against me are and how people are zealously pushing it with no room for possibility that the target is Town, providing little rhyme or reason to the entire ordeal.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Den-O on September 07, 2011, 10:13:57 PM
Stop fucking kidding yourself.

You're telling me THAT LINES LIKE THIS: "And yeah, Barbarian, listen to Rakanishu. She can't be wrong, after all. Aggressively pushing without ever producing a case and arbitrarily deciding scum... if she's Town, she's harming Town more than Scum so far. If she's Scum, well, noose and lynch."
"(and no, UK, "he quicklynched a Survivor" is not justification) " (SOMETHING I NEVER SAID)
"But hey, it's a scum claim, why would you argue it with me? There's no possible way I could be Town, right? And clearly when I die it's a non-issue you don't have to worry about. Not like I could possibly be an honest-to-goodness Tracker on Town's side or anything."
"Misrepresentations (implying I want to 'mislynch' you), and making ridicule of what I said. Oh, and I look awful. Link me to this magical case of yours, Rakanishu." (This is more on top of everything else)

Seriously, you think that's not fucking baiting? You don't think that pisses people off? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOUR GOD DAMN HEAD, EYEBACK!? ARE YOU SERIOUSLY THIS FUCKING DENSE!?

Now, as for your accusations of misrep, you're taking hyperbole seriously, which is kind of fucking stupid. When I said that, I was implying you were keeping your options open on me. Scum have more reason to do that then town. ANYONE WITH TWO FUCKING BRAIN CELLS KNOWS THIS.

I'm done with you. You are literally too fucking stupid or sociopathic to understand what the fuck you're doing, or to comprehend what the fuck other people are saying.

And yes, I'm aware this post is just going to piss you off. I'LL FUCKING OWN THAT, UNLIKE YOU'RE COWARDLY BAITING SOCIOPATHIC FUCKING ASSSSSSSS!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (day 3)
Post by: Den-O on September 07, 2011, 10:19:31 PM
EBWOP: And with that, Mod, replace me out. I don't have the emotional energy nor the ability to play this game.

See ya Eyeback, you'll NEVER HAVE TO HEAR FROM ME AGAIN =D!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Night 3)
Post by: Pesco on September 07, 2011, 10:46:56 PM
Rakanishu and Eyeback have been modkilled.

Rakanishu was a Superunique.
Eyeback was a Superunique.

Night 3 begins now. 24 hours to send in your actions. Notify me if you aren't doing anything. Day 4 will begin when all actions are in.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Pesco on September 08, 2011, 08:12:38 PM
Bloodwitch was killed overnight.

Bloodwitch was a Superunique

It is now LyLo.
7 alive, 3.5 votes to lynch.
100% time remaining
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: W on September 08, 2011, 08:53:45 PM
Why did the day had to end like this? *Sigh* This isn't really helping. Also this is LyLo? . . .

Wait... LyLo than that means...
> Lylo -> 7 alive. What does this tell us? There is equal amount of scum + townies.
> 7 does not make up 50/50 distribution
> 3 - 1 - 3 !
> LyLo confirmed.
> Eyeback and Rakanishu must have been town... which...

Hi Barbarian, let us have a word with you.
About all this third party lynch debate: Sorc needed to die (Ex:What if she's lying about being a survivor, or about her wincon), but after new information has come up including the stuff her flip confirmed, her partner does not need to die. Along with Sorc needed to die is Eyeback isn't scum because of hammering. There wasn't a super huge amount of time left anyway.

EWBOP:I don't mean he's not scum, due to having hammered, just saying it doesn't MAKE him scum.
"Wasn't super huge amount of time left anyway?" ANY information that we could've gotten would have been valuable.  Modco's votecount timer says 26% in #332 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg708737.html#msg708737). It's not huge but neither its TINY.

First, in D1 you indeed totally avoided Sorceress. Sorceress was possible lynch in D1 and when people asked your opinion, you claimed she was uninteresting/Townish. HOW can someone who is suspecting by multiple people be possible UNINTERESTING? You know? I think you are scum along with Nihlatak and Bremm or a sorceress partner. Let's check a vote count check first:

Vote count 1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705943.html#msg705943) <-- Sorc is on summoner wagon. You are on Bloodwitch for RVS punishment.
Vote count 2 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705997.html#msg705997) <-- Sorc unvotes, wagons on Countess.
Vote count 3 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg706216.html#msg706216) <-- You swap to summoner for reason #173 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg706114.html#msg706114)

What do I conclude from this:
> Sorceress changes target for her own reasons. Sure, acceptable. We need to hunt scum and Countess was really looking bad.
> Suddenly you wagon on Summoner, a potential lynch wagon which I was pushing the hardest before.
> Opportunistic reads. But makes no sense. Let's check Sorceress claim/flips: Survivor -> Flips as survivor mason -> Must have partner. -> Can use items if she is on the wagon
> Sorceress, on countess sure-lynch. &  Barbarian, on potential sure-lynch. Either wagon would work for you.


Let us check Sorceress lynching day to see how you behaved and start of D2:
Barbarian #243 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707622.html#msg707622)
List of suspects, Sorc leaning town. No cases/reads specified except hard on Bremm and Summoner.

In this post you blame summoner for bandwagon: "....A little bit later one person asks for votes on Sorc and you just go "HOORAY BANDWAGONING" and vote her. It's not condemning or anything, but... this just doesn't feel right." but you bandwagoned HARD on summoner yourself as well. And you didn't even had a solid case on WHY.

"If Bremm is not scum I will eat my hat. Even if I can't explain it terribly well, I'm just so so sure he must be scum. Everything about him just... UNNYYEEEEEEUUUUGGGHGHHHHH SCUM"
> I am so sure > so sure > so sure. How? Why? Where is your case? Where is your case? You have no case! Good job! Being sure about something which rest of us is unsure. And Barbarian doesn't even bothers to help out.

#247 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707628.html#msg707628)
Sorc is... uninteresting? Bear with me? Here, you are trying to move Rakanishu away from the Sorceress wagon trying to prevent her lynch.

#262 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707951.html#msg707951)
Bremm scum scum scum scum. Raka please do not vote for Sorc, and dont focus on Nihla please! ...

In the mean while, Sorc claims and Barbarian drops silent. Not a word. Nothing to comment. Everybody posted something, except Barbarian.

#317 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg708537.html#msg708537)
Suddenly Sorc must die. Out of nowhere! 
> "Bremm and Nihlatak still scum."  <-- we understood your bussing on Bremm, why the sudden Nihlatak? Why was Nihlatak first useless to lynch as he would be not informative and now suddenly scum. Where are your cases.
> In the meanwhile you stayed on the super bus 180km/h, because switching to Sorceress for you is a BAD idea. You didn't had a case anyway. And favourite-wagon jumping would make you suspicious.

Also votecount in D2 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg708163.html#msg708163) <-- Hi Nihaltak, how nice of you to be on the Sorceress wagon. Lets look at your reasoning when you voted for Sorc:  #256 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707924.html#msg707924) Opportunistic trying to end fast.

#339 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg709471.html#msg709471)
"Bremm is still scum so I'm going to concentrate on that at the moment." <-- No case (wtf happened to your Nihlatak scum pointing?). Wagoning with Eyeback hard. (Yay more opertunity to lynch your own scum buddy Bremm. Especially how you claimed you were so sure of Bremm being scum.

Yes, It all makes sense to me now. I know why you knew for sure. Because you are his partner and so is Nihlatak.

Final conclusion: Barbarian scum. Additionally,  FoS on both Nihlatak and Bremm partner.
- D1 D2 & D3 you were bad. 0 cases, opportunistic behaviour. Swaying left to right.
- What irks me a lot is that Nihlatak also tried hard to defend. And you pointed at each other for odd reasons but neither of you had cases on each other.
- Trying to get Bremm lynched so you will come out clean. Super bussing FTW ?
- Nihlatak constantly refuses to play this game while Rakanishu called him out 3834028 times. Flying super man style below radar.

Either way, Barbarian, your GUT =D nulltell non-existent cases and scummy superbussing ends here. Bremms case on you being survivor was cute, but I don't believe it. And Nihlatak only strengthens the oddness around you.

Raka: No, I'm not a lyncher. It'll all make sense after the game. Probably.
Start making sense, now. Because we are in LyLo.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Ryuki on September 08, 2011, 09:47:13 PM
Orz, what a way to end the day. Guess I'll go read D3, but an interesting case Fire Eye, and one that I can buy.

Also, two ideas I want people's thoughts on.
1) Mass Claim
2) Survivor Mason Claim
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Decade on September 08, 2011, 09:51:43 PM
Fireeye is probably scum because he's going after me, of all people, and he's one of the 4 that I don't already feel are town. And LyLo now means there's 3 scum, so, out of 4... yeah.

I'd still be 10x more happy with lynching Bremm today, though! Seriously.

Also Fireeye's case has lots of weird things about it.

Quote
> Opportunistic reads. But makes no sense. Let's check Sorceress claim/flips: Survivor -> Flips as survivor mason -> Must have partner. -> Can use items if she is on the wagon
> Sorceress, on countess sure-lynch. &  Barbarian, on potential sure-lynch. Either wagon would work for you.
I can see where you're going with this... if you were making a case that I'm her survivor partner. But you're making a case that I'm SCUM. So this doesn't really make sense anymore.

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List of suspects, Sorc leaning town. No cases/reads specified except hard on Bremm and Summoner.
I'm assuming by "specified" you meant "Cases on people who are scum" because I gave lots of town reads and even a bit of reasoning on one or two of them, I think.

Quote
> I am so sure > so sure > so sure. How? Why? Where is your case? Where is your case? You have no case! Good job! Being sure about something which rest of us is unsure. And Barbarian doesn't even bothers to help out.
I tried my best to make a case. You saw how that went. You can at least say "And dear god is case is pathetically horrible." But no, you try to say I have no case at all. It feels a little misreppy to me.

Quote
> In the meanwhile you stayed on the super bus 180km/h, because switching to Sorceress for you is a BAD idea. You didn't had a case anyway. And favourite-wagon jumping would make you suspicious.
because sorc was like L-1 and 100% definitely getting lynched anyway soooooo what do you want me to do, quickhammer?

Quote
Yay more opertunity to lynch your own scum buddy Bremm. Especially how you claimed you were so sure of Bremm being scum.
AHAHAHA last game people jump on me for saying "almost surely" instead of 100% surely and this game it's the reverse now isn't that just hilarious

totally gotta admit that I'm not really making too much in the way of cases this game but :effort:, I really suck at explaining the damn things anyway. I -have- reasons past "GUT =D" but god knows I have no idea to type out what they are.

anyway. If lots of people actually want to lynch me then sure I'll claim and everyone will go "oh" and wagon someone else like, y'know, Bremm.

Things I don't like about Fireeye:Tons of stuff about his case on me, process of elimination, also him trying to make a case on the survivor in lylo probably because everyone else is his scumbuddy or Not Getting Lynched

Also yeah since it should be so friggin obvious by now I'm actually just gonna claim being Sorc's survivor mason partner. If you don't believe me, think about this; she flipped PLAYER CHARACTER survivor mason. Who is the other player character? Yeah. Who's the only other person who doesn't have abilities around their avatar other then Sorc? yeeeeeep

Confirmation bias made me just sorta glaze over her posts which is why I handwaved questions on her. I tried to make an opinion and couldn't.

Not claiming my abilities. There are reasons for this. I do share her ability to pick up items from day-end lynches, although it used gotten to be used as of yet. And if you want to lynch me (the survivor) in lylo you're dumb because then you lose.

I really don't have any reason to not claim at this point, anyway. As long as we catch the scums, I'm going to win, pshaw.

##Vote Br oh wait it's lylo nevermind :c



Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Decade on September 08, 2011, 10:02:42 PM
Also going to clarify what Sorc said about our wincon; yes, the Prime Evils must die for me to win.

I'm sorta like town, except that I have to be alive to win.

Although I guess other third parties (Beetleburst) have to be killed for town and not for me, but iunno. Unimportant. *Shrugs*
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Skull on September 08, 2011, 10:08:59 PM
I understand where you're coming from, Fireeye, but Barbarian is not mafia. He's the partner of Sorc.

Early in the game, I claimed Sorc and Barbarian were scum. This is because they were the two player characters in a list of everyone else being monsters.  Also, being player characters, they could use Items, and since some SuperUniques drop items when they are killed (Like Countess did), I figured this would be part of a win condition or a reward for getting myslynches. When Sorc claimed her role, I believed it because it fit perfectly into the theory I had. She claimed having a single partner, and that both of them could use items that are dropped during lynch, but only if they were on the wagon. This is reinforced by the fact that Sorc flipped "Player Character" as part of her alignment. I'm not sure why I'm the only one who caught onto this, but I guess I'll just have to blame it on my psychic connection with Pesco.

I knew who Raka was from her first day meta, and voted her as one of my two prospected lynches from before the game started. Also, when I noticed her name on the list, and my own name on the two lists, I came up with a theory about who everyone was when they started the game. This isn't important for the game, unless you want to bring people's meta into the game, like how completely useless NeoSerela is.

My gut feeling right now is on Bremm (Still scum since case on Barbarian means nothing), ColdCrow (pushing only the main wagons while only making side comments on current event seems like fluffing posts with low content activity.) and Corpsefire (has the replacement even posted anything yet? He only has three posts, all of which only state that I didn't want to lynch the summoner, which is pure IIoA)

I'll go back an reread Bremm and Coldcrow in depth (I already read corpsefire in depth accidentally, since again, only three posts.)

Cut: Mass claim, knowing MotK town probably wouldn't help the day out at all. Survivor Mason does however need to claim everything that could help us lynch the Primeevils.
Cut: Yay. Psychic vision confirmed. I was totally going to out you if you didn't post, anyway.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Decade on September 08, 2011, 10:13:39 PM
Quote
Survivor Mason does however need to claim everything that could help us lynch the Primeevils.
Do I really need to? :c
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 08, 2011, 10:18:07 PM
Wow rereading yesterday is hateful.  At least the LYLO warning confirms what those black flips are.
Barbarian already went ahead and claimed. Playtime trying to lynch the survivor is over, if no one counterclaims he's off limits.
Before we do a Mass Claim, I do have a question for Barbarian (and I see he's already gone ahead and claimed.)
Do you really have no role related reason for believing Bremm is scum? Confirmation bias makes me not believe you when you say it's just a feeling, the same way you just happened not to say anything about Sorceress. :V It would make today so much easier!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Skull on September 08, 2011, 10:22:57 PM
yeah yeah, poo on me for not proofreading my posts as I get cut by new ones.
The fact that Bar was so obvious was a large part of the reasoning for why I wanted to switch away from the Eyeback lynch and onto Bremm. Come to think of it, since Eyeback is apparently town due to Lylo, That makes all of the people who piled onto him fairly suspicious. I note FireEye had no sympathies for his role, even though I found it was sensible once I had take a look back at his play all game. What about his role made you call him out on bullshit, Fireeye?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Decade on September 08, 2011, 10:25:23 PM
I have no role-related reason to believe Bremm is scum.

But in addition to the pile of lunacy I spouted on D2 that I called a case (I swear there's a good case in there but it's just worded so badly and covered in rubbish), him trying to make a counterwagon on me yesterday was also bad. I'm pretty sure he knew by then I was a survivor, for one.

I thought everyone figured it out as soon as Sorc flipped, really :c With the lack of ability thing, both being player characters, and my complete inability to provide an opinion on her, and such.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 08, 2011, 10:39:30 PM
Okay. We're done being sissies about this. Yesterday Eyeback was a terrible lynch the minute he both claimed and started passionately arguing for himself while the god damn OBVIOUS SCUM sat in the corner making cases on the Survivor. Bremm sure is an easy reread since he's only made Eight posts the entire game. The only scum read he carried through Day 2 and Day 3 was Nihlatak. All his other questions, FoS's or suspicions are forgotten in the next post. This is followed by dropping it like a rock and voting Barbarian because OMG SURVIVORS. Lines like this...
@Sorceress: ...So in accordance to Beetleburst's link...and in conjunction with what everyone is saying...Survivor is a High priority lynch.
Make me think he only made that case to try and replicate getting the wagon off of him again through the magic of ~third parties~ and pixie dust. We are getting swindled here. I'm tired of reading cases based around possible Bremm partnership while skipping the LYNCHING BREMM part they need to be valid.

##VOTE BREMM SPARKFIST


LET'S DO THIS.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Decade on September 08, 2011, 10:54:52 PM
I'm all too ready for this lynch to happen.

##Vote Bremm Sparkfist

Also I just realized that maybe I -should- claim all my powers.

I'm actually a carbon copy of Sorc's role! I have a one-shot identifying scroll that can be used for rolecop or alignment cop. Obviously, I'm going to use it for alignment, and tonight. This is why I'm claiming, because I don't want to die and I'm hoping town has a doctor to save me! Now that I'm claimed I'm prime NK bait because who the hell would lynch me, which means that A.I'd lose and B.Town wouldn't get my cop result :C

Not telling who I'm copping because yeah no scum doesn't need that kind of info.

Yeah, Sorc's other item was a warp portal to town thing that gives me self-governor/bulletproof powers for one phase, on the stipulation that I have to use it before the hammer drops/night actions are processed. I used it after Sorc got lynched because I overreacted and thought I was going to get NK'd. Which was dumb. I need to learn to think more.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 08, 2011, 11:03:33 PM
Woohoo double-scum claimers~
##Vote: Coldcorw
Thats a pretty fast vote there, especially during LyLo.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 08, 2011, 11:33:49 PM
SUSPICIONS.

Barbarian - Free pass to the other side of the room. ..Why didn't you USE.. nevermind. Try not to die plz.

Nihlathak - Well he's not the survivor so he's town again. I don't think I'm stressing enough how much these actions Don't Make Sense as scum.  Defending third parties and only attacking what he sees as the stronger players? Especially if he wants to pursue those lynches in order. At least I'm hoping his urges to lynch the most blatant town is just him.

Fire Eye - I've been dismissing you as tunneling town, but there's some weird inconsistency with your cases. Like..
On the other hand.... I have lots of questions for Eyeback in D3...but that is for Day 3
What happened to this? I don't think there's a single thing you pursued Eyeback over on Day 3 that happened before Day 3. Why did claiming to be a tracker make Eyeback scum?

Bremm Sparkfist - Die plz either you're scum or this game is going to be over really fast.

The Summoner - I kind of thought Summoner was another player character. >.> I've forgotten why we've been clearing him for this long. He was pushing Sorceress as a scum fakeclaim. The number of ways that is just.. no. His only post yesterday was flags waving towards the Eyeback lynch. And his opener today is a thumbs up on the case on the obvious mason partner. :V C'mon, even you can do better then that, give us something to work with. On mass claim I think we shouldn't bother since the survivor just made himself a wonderful role target for us.

Corpsefire - Corpsefire the new's posts (be more charitable Nihl, he's made *four*) are wonderfully scummy additions when compared to Bremm. His only opinion is some kind of suspicion of Nihlatak (I think it's suspicion?) and 'oh vote Eyeback because it's the cool thing to do'. Yo Zombie dude, who the fack is scum today?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 09, 2011, 02:42:24 AM
Ha ha ha, Your amusing.

Anyways, I like how your asking someone to claim a case about an already dead person.

I like how you switched gears so quickly about my position in the game considering most of the game you did not even do anything about it.

Also, I like how forceful your being now that it is LyLo, you sure are impatience for a mislynch.

I also like how quickly you worked together with Barbarian. Sure Barbarian is now claimed Survivor, but that does not say a thing about your alignment, WHO are you to so forcefully drag and rush a lynch, especially in LyLo.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Kiva-la on September 09, 2011, 02:58:24 AM
I really couldn't add more to the Eyeback case other then what was already said. although I did agree with it. And yes I am suspicious of Nilathak but I'll cover why after a reread.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Kiva-la on September 09, 2011, 03:12:20 AM
EBWOB: I actually can at least say what I think about barbarian and ask something before I do the reread so might as well.

Barbarian - I thought they where the Sorceress partner seeing as they where the only other Player character but I thought it would just be a little to simple of a claim to make. So I didn't post or think much about it. However seeing as you have openly admited to being a survivor would you happen to know a thing about the "Key of Terror" Dropped in post #194 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg706292.html#msg706292)?

I know I seem overly interested in the Key and the other 2 should they exist but the Countess was the only Lynch so far to drop things upon death and the key was at the top of the list.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Decade on September 09, 2011, 03:27:31 AM
Nope Corpsefire, all I know is that we (As in, me and the now deceased Sorc) can pick up items from a wagon we were on, and Equip/Deequip them during the night.

It's assumable that Countess only dropped items because she was the only one who had a survivor on her wagon, or because the other deaths were nightkills/modkills/survivor. *Shrug*
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Ryuki on September 09, 2011, 04:28:52 AM
Well, seeing as how Bremm has not been quicklynched yet, I'd say it's safe to say he's scum. Unless Barb and Cold are both scum, but Barb is 3rd party so that's not a possibility, and Cold is my town read still alive.

##Vote: Bremm

Btw, on the subject of keys, I also hold a key.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Skull on September 09, 2011, 05:08:35 AM
I still want to See FireEye's response to Mine and Coldcrow's questions before today ends.
Also, Summoner, could you tell me the name of the Key you own?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Ryuki on September 09, 2011, 05:10:48 AM
The Key of Hatred
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Ryuki on September 09, 2011, 05:11:12 AM
##Unvote

Don't want scum to end the day before you get your answers then
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: W on September 09, 2011, 05:51:07 AM
@Nihlatak, Proper answers shall be given once I read up.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: W on September 09, 2011, 07:13:14 AM
@ Coldcrow, Nihlatak.

I like how you two suddenly aim the entire Eyeback case to me to be explained, while you could explain it yourself as well. Obvious results are obvious. First, we didn't knew that day whether EyeBack was scum or not. I am sure pretty much a lot of people were highly suspecting him for possible scum. Not because of his mach 3 lynching, but his overall behaviour. Easy fingerpointing huh?

Unfortunately that day turned into mod kills and now we are in LyLo.

I understand where you're coming from, Fireeye, but Barbarian is not mafia. He's the partner of Sorc.

Early in the game, I claimed Sorc and Barbarian were scum. This is because they were the two player characters in a list of everyone else being monsters.  Also, being player characters, they could use Items, and since some SuperUniques drop items when they are killed (Like Countess did), I figured this would be part of a win condition or a reward for getting myslynches. When Sorc claimed her role, I believed it because it fit perfectly into the theory I had. She claimed having a single partner, and that both of them could use items that are dropped during lynch, but only if they were on the wagon. This is reinforced by the fact that Sorc flipped "Player Character" as part of her alignment. I'm not sure why I'm the only one who caught onto this, but I guess I'll just have to blame it on my psychic connection with Pesco.
I had the suspicion that Barbarian and Sorceress could be partners because of the whole Diablo 2 Lore thing. But this still DOES NOT give us any guarantee that the setup is like that, because it is obvious Trollco setup. You weren't the only one who noticed it. Why else do you think I pointed out all the votings with Sorceress? See my D4 opening where I conclude LyLo. And at the same time Barbarian came into my mind as first.

Come to think of it, since Eyeback is apparently town due to Lylo, That makes all of the people who piled onto him fairly suspicious. I note FireEye had no sympathies for his role, even though I found it was sensible once I had take a look back at his play all game. What about his role made you call him out on bullshit, Fireeye?
Good point indeed. I had no sympathies indeed. So didn't Rakanishu and other players (see D3). He threatens me to claim because he knows "everything" about me, out of nowhere. Happened to be nothing at the end. And you know what was worst? He claimed Rakanishu and I were sharing the same traits, Anti-Town , unable to be tracked or w/e causing more confusion. Now tell me how do you sympathise in such a situation?

Remember Bremm posted his survivor case on Barbarian? "Barbarian basically lied" is what came to my mind. Either he was scum, or he was survivor, and I needed to know for sure. And guess what, I was right. He immediately hard defends with calling me scum, because I rain down on him hard. Logically I do this. How else am I going to elicit the information? This alone confirms my reads on Barbarian, because look at his claim, survivor and 'carbon-copy' of Sorceress. Comparing this with my own case, I come to the conclusion Barbarian is indeed now telling the truth.

Fire Eye - I've been dismissing you as tunneling town, but there's some weird inconsistency with your cases. Like..What happened to this? I don't think there's a single thing you pursued Eyeback over on Day 3 that happened before Day 3. Why did claiming to be a tracker make Eyeback scum?
Pesco's flip post still doesn't reveal us his role. He still could've been lying about his role of tracker or had been keeping things hidden, but he said Bloodwitch didn't return results on his tracking.  Only thing we can confirm is, he was town. And so was Rakanishu. Just because LyLo proven that Raka and Eye were infact town, even startled me. Not just only me, majority was infact suspecting EyeBack that entire day which made him claim in the end.

I can understand Barbarians concerns and paranoia of being careful due to his role. Retracting my pointing on Barbarian, why he knows Bremm is scum must have something to do with his one-shot abilities like Sorceress. If Bremm is indeed scum, then one of his partners are Nihlatak or Corpsefire or Coldcrow. I dropped Summoner previously from my list, Summoner is most town read for me. Worst Bremm, then followed up by possible Corpse and between Nihlatak or Coldcrow I am undecided. One of you is not entirely being honest.






Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Ryuki on September 09, 2011, 07:35:02 AM
##Vote: Bremm
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Pesco on September 09, 2011, 08:14:49 AM
Valley of Snakes Votecount

Bremm (3): Barbarian, Coldcrow, The Summoner
Coldcrow (1): Bremm

Not voting: Fire Eye, Nihlathak, Corpsefire

Bremm is at L-0.5
7 alive, 3.5 votes to lynch
91% time left
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Skull on September 09, 2011, 08:26:04 AM
Quote
But this still DOES NOT give us any guarantee that the setup is like that, because it is obvious Trollco setup.
Actually, it's because it's a Trollco setup that this is guaranteed. Normal mods tend to live and die by the "Marisa is not always town, Mima is not always Scum" rule of game and flavor design. It's the most logical and basic part of game design, and therefore, can be fucked with to mess with the player's heads.

Quote
Now tell me how do you sympathise in such a situation?
Well, first I would take the time to understand that even though he was pushing nothing for bad reasons, that he would have no reason for that mode of attack as scum, but a reason if he was town. Then, I would go back to see if his targets made sense given his reads, then I would go an read if his suspicions and pursuits followed his results. Of course, that's just me.

Well, Bremm's response to ColdCrow's vote says to me that he is neither interested in his own survival, nor in catching scum, both of which are major scumtells in a seven-person lylo.
Corpsefire, similarly shows no interest in manipulating the events of the game from here out, which means he trusts other, more experienced players to iron things out. This means this is either his first game of mafia in the history of ever, or he's on the scum team with someone who's doing a pretty fab job already.

This pretty much leaves me to waffle back and forth on Fire Eye and ColdCrow. I've taken a few rereads of both of you, and I do have strong gut feelings relating to both of your styles, but I can't really be certain. I still don't like CC's voting patterns at all, but I'm also growing suspicious of Fire Eye's Tunnling combined with the strong case on Barbarian.

Bleh, I promised myself I wouldn't overthink this, but it looks like I regressed to my old playstyle.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 09, 2011, 09:00:25 AM
Am I dead yet? I already claimed since the beginning so there is really nothing left to ask for.
Any way to get out of the situtation? Zero
What you going to believe from me? Nothing. Since apparently, attacking CrowCold is not a scum hunting thing.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: W on September 09, 2011, 09:08:41 AM
Cut by Nihla, had to reedit my post.

First, It almost seems like scumteam is trying to lynch so fast to end this day. Not going to place my vote yet, because I too have questions:

I want to hear from Coldcrow who else she thinks is scum next to her obvious vote. "LETS DO THIS" ? What is the hurry? Your suspicion list doesn't add much new things to the current state.

From you Nihlatak, even while you make conclusions for yourself like that, I never trust Modco's setups. Call me paranoid or over-thinking (which you seem to suffer from as well) but I rather read things for myself first, confirm then judge Modco's setup.

Quote from: Nihlatak
Well, first I would take the time to understand that even though he was pushing nothing for bad reasons, that he would have no reason for that mode of attack as scum, but a reason if he was town. Then, I would go back to see if his targets made sense given his reads, then I would go an read if his suspicions and pursuits followed his results. Of course, that's just me.
That's not just you, I assume that is like the first thing everybody does.

Also, perhaps noise for this game: since you were so deep into that: I want to know why you used his Meta-play on "I knew who Raka was from her first day meta, and voted her as one of my two prospected lynches from before the game started." as your conclusions for picking out his reads and whether you are still using it now. This is rather important for my own personal reasons.

Finally, Corpsefire having almost no existence in this game makes me start doubting a lot of things and suspecting him stronger. Non-existent before and now continueing to creep in the shadows. In LyLo, I find this opertunistic and scummy.

----------------------
As cut by Nihlatak, he too has the same impression about Corpsefire.

Cut by Bremm correcting my post on Engrish. No edits required...
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Kiva-la on September 09, 2011, 12:54:05 PM
Well this practically confirms that Nihlathak also has a key as I suspected. Also Nilathak is correct when he guesses that I have no idea what I am doing. I will however despite this likely being a one way ticket to getting lynched or night killed give some info.  In post #412 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg710689.html#msg710689) you say that a 3-1-3 is most likely set up for Town/3rd party/Scum however this isn't true because if Barbarian isn't lying then I know that there are at least 2 survivors because I am also a survivor.

This actually sounds like a terrible thing to say looking it over seeing as 2 people think I'm scum and that lynching Bremm right now would be entirely beneficial to me but quickhammer seems to be obvscum.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Kiva-la on September 09, 2011, 12:54:58 PM
Also Nilathak you have the Key of Destruction right?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 09, 2011, 01:59:21 PM
Is anyone else alive Town? :s
I think my suspects should be obvious. I'll be back later if my internet stops cutting me to look over new posts.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 09, 2011, 06:24:08 PM
My futile struggling has failed, alas It seems my end has come.
I've had the pleasure of watching as you mortals build yourselves a personal hell without my intervention.
This pleasure of watching as you kill yourselves shall last me an eternity!
I, Mephisto - The Prime Evil Debuffer shall be the bringer of my own death!
No one shall take the glory of killing I, but myself!
Bwahahahahahaha!!

##Unvote
##Vote Bremm Sparkfist
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Pesco on September 09, 2011, 06:27:10 PM
Claw Viper Temple Votecount

Bremm (3): Barbarian, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Bremm

Not voting: Fire Eye, Nihlathak, Corpsefire

Bremm is at L-0.5
7 alive, 3.5 votes to lynch
81% time left
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 09, 2011, 06:30:38 PM
...
CURSE YOU MOD, CURSE YOU!
TOO THE END YOU DENY ME MY DEATH!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 09, 2011, 06:47:10 PM
Lets Copy Schezo

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

15 townies, 8 scum.

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 09, 2011, 06:49:14 PM
Actually screw this I don't have the skills for this.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Ryuki on September 09, 2011, 06:50:35 PM
So, we're going to wait for the deadline to run down and lynch him or are we waiting for another scum to quicklynch him?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 09, 2011, 06:52:03 PM
Nice going brotha~
You just revealed yourself smartass :V
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: W on September 09, 2011, 06:57:31 PM
Well. . . anybody has anything to add?

I'll return in exactly 58 minutes from now to place my vote. Have to run to the grocery store anyway.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 09, 2011, 07:03:50 PM
##Vote Nihlathak
##Unvote
##Vote Fire Eye
##Unvote
##Vote The Summoner
##Unvote
##Vote Barbarian
##Unvote
##Vote Corpsefire
##Unvote
##Vote Coldcrow
##Unvote


Say good bye to immunities~
I love you all too.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 09, 2011, 07:04:18 PM
oh forgot something
##Vote Nihlathak
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 09, 2011, 07:15:48 PM
Hm...
I need to amuse myself...
3 Survivors...1 Town and 3 Scums, Who to pick whos the scum whos the survivor whos the town. I wonder if we can swap to who can kill the town rather then scum? :)
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 09, 2011, 07:26:46 PM
Hey does anyone want to hammer him before he.. oh. :<
Hangmafia @_@ I-I can just play one letter can't I? Just one game!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Decade on September 09, 2011, 07:48:01 PM
...the fuck
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 09, 2011, 08:07:33 PM
...the fuck

The force is strong in this one.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 09, 2011, 08:23:21 PM
That avatar is so awesome. :<

Oh no Summoner is onto us Barbarian! Quick, where's our third partner! We need to lynch the townie faster!
Fire Eye, my suspicions should tell you exactly what I think. You look scummy, Summoner looks scummy and Corpsefire looks scummy. You and Nihlatak are at least putting effort into the day.

Also I changed my mind, this is a serious question. Is -everyone- a survivor? My role gives me reason to believe this might actually be a thing that is true.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: W on September 09, 2011, 08:34:56 PM
Well it even took longer.

##Vote Mephisto
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Kick Hopper on September 09, 2011, 09:04:28 PM
Last words, here

I'm scum!
Your Survivor!
YOUR ALL SURVIVORS!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Ryuki on September 09, 2011, 09:06:12 PM
"Is -everyone- a survivor? My role gives me reason to believe this might actually be a thing that is true."

Hmm

That's interesting food for thought. Considering Pesco is the mod, it might be possible.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Night 4)
Post by: Pesco on September 09, 2011, 09:09:12 PM
Harem Votecount

Bremm (4): Barbarian, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Bremm, Fire Eye
Nihlathak (1): Bremm

Not voting: Nihlathak, Corpsefire

Bremm Sparkfist was lynched.

Bremm Sparkfist was Mephisto - Prime Evil Debuffer.

Mephisto drops

Gnarled staff (Rare)
Gold (9267)
Cedar Bow (Rare)
Ring (Unique)
Small charm

24 hours to send in your actions. Tell me if you are not going to use your action. Day will start once all actions are in.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Pesco on September 09, 2011, 11:37:52 PM
Nihlathak was killed overnight.

Nihlathak was a Superunique

Nihlathak drops a Key of Destruction.

You are in LyLo.
5 alive, 2.5 votes to lynch
100% time remaining.

!WARNING!
Diablo walks the earth!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Decade on September 10, 2011, 12:07:27 AM
...Nih was the scumkill? Well, damn.

...errr, I don't actually have a cop result to give you because I lied and my power is actually Bulletproof, and I was trying to get scum to target me and waste their nk. I thought if they didn't target ME, they'd target Coldcrow, though... *Shrugs* Whatever. No use thinking about it.

Welllllll then. Gonna go reread and stuff. Coldcrow is still town. Not sure which two of the other three I believe to be scum, because they all look like scum, but a reread should help figure out. Also claims. Yeah, about that. Everyone fullclaim, because it's LyLo and stuff.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Decade on September 10, 2011, 12:17:34 AM
Also, I noticed two mod-related things.

A.Beetleburst's flip is no longer third party yellow-orange but townie green. Would like mod confirmation that he actually flipped townie or what.
B.Nihlathak is still in the "Alive" list in the thread starter post :V

Questioning just how legitimate Corpsefire's survivor claim is. There was already me and Sorc, plus Beetleburst wasn't third party, so it no longer seems like the game would be chock full of survivors, although I do have a hypothesis about him I'd rather he fullclaimed everything about his role before I give him any ideas.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Ryuki on September 10, 2011, 12:21:27 AM
First, before the mass claim, let me try something.

##Vote: The Summoner

Trust me, I know what I'm doing.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Decade on September 10, 2011, 12:27:34 AM
You do realize that, assuming you're not scum, (And assuming Pesco doesn't make all self-votes not count) you can just get quicklynched by scum RIGHT?

I'd really much rather you unvoted yourself this instant unless you have some super great reason for doing this that we can't understand yet and oh jeez I don't like this >_>;

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Kiva-la on September 10, 2011, 12:44:59 AM
Nilathak dropped the Key just as I assumed he would upon lynch.

Anyways as for Bremm/Mephisto's mass votes and unvotes it is likely due to his "Aura Enchanted" power. Seeing as he said goodbye to your immunities I think it means he had conviction aura which severely hampered the resists of the player in Diablo 2. I think I should state that my power has nothing to do with ignoring immunities. I can just make someones actions unblockable at night yet I haven't used it because it really doesn't seem useful when I have no idea who has what powers.

And I assume The Summoner wants to have the key be dropped that he will drop as well.

As for a more complete role claim barbarian what would you like me to elaborate on more?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 10, 2011, 12:46:41 AM
Is your secret role Jester? :V
Not that that's ever stopped you from voting yourself before.
Come on Barbarian, let's quicklynch for scum victory!

Beetleburst was yellow when I checked the front page after he died. If he's seriously green now that makes the survivor claim after the alignment checking claim questionable.
@mod Are the alignments in the first post correct?

I'll wait for Summoner to explain what the hell he's doing to claim.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Decade on September 10, 2011, 12:52:29 AM
Corpsefire: I would like you to claim rolename and wincon.

Coldcrow: Well all you have to do is check the first page and see it's green now :V It was definitely not green before though, yeah.

I'm okay with claims from Coldcrow/FireEye waiting until Summoner explains himself. If Pesco already went to bed then that will make me ;_; because I'm assuming he's waiting for a votecount.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Kiva-la on September 10, 2011, 01:04:36 AM
My role name seems to be Superunique. And I win when all threats to me are dead.

However I have just realized I mis-interpeted stupidly obvious things because I fail at reading.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Decade on September 10, 2011, 01:10:51 AM
Corpse: Okay, wait huh?

Explain to me what you mean by mis-interpreting stupidly obvious things. I mean, did you somehow misinterpret your role pm to say you're a survivor and you're actually town or something? >_> Just need to get this kind of stuff clear... to make my conclusions.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Kiva-la on September 10, 2011, 01:22:06 AM
Green means town and I misinterpreted my win condition as 3rd party survivor.

fffffffffffffffffff
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Decade on September 10, 2011, 01:30:53 AM
what

/me facedesks multiple times

...okay I'm just going to wait for Summoner's explanation and everyone's claims now.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 10, 2011, 01:42:10 AM
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Now that you know you weren't investigated you're town again? >_> I almost wish they had tried to kill me so I wouldn't have to wonder if I'm on the same side as you.
Superunique here.
The short form of my claim is I'm bulletproof.
The long form is if I'd been targetted for a nightkill I would have become a survivor instead.
I was starting to think everyone had a role related to becoming third party. It would have fit with the flavor about needing to take out your rivals.
Alternate theory: Summoner actually is scum and is trying to WIFOM us out of lynching him. I am way too sleepy for this.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Kiva-la on September 10, 2011, 01:49:00 AM
I didn't realize I was town in the first place. Like I said I really screwed up reading the role pm in the first place.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Ryuki on September 10, 2011, 02:18:09 AM
tl;dr

Coldcrow, vote me. That's all I ask for. And just you.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Decade on September 10, 2011, 02:20:55 AM
...I don't like where this is going. It's sort of asking for something really dumb to happen.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 10, 2011, 02:21:15 AM
...Okay?
I don't think what you're trying to prove will work though.

##Vote: The Summoner
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 10, 2011, 02:39:21 AM
One bottle of pop, two bottle of pop, three bottle of pop..
Corpsefire plz post to confirm you're here.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Ryuki on September 10, 2011, 03:43:16 AM
OH GOD COLOR SCHEME CHANGED.

Okay, forget all this fuckery.

I am Superunique. Super Strong means I require an extra vote to be lynched. I was just trying to get the scum to claim themselves and quick hammer me.

When I die I drop the Key of Hatred.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 10, 2011, 03:57:15 AM
The other option of course being you're scum yourself. You had the power earlier.. the only way to test if it's still on would be to pile onto you and I'm not willing to take that chance this early. I question if Pesco would have allowed a basically unlynchable person into LYLO as any alignment.

##Unvote


Let's do more useful things. Barbar, did you pick up anything useful from the lynch?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Ryuki on September 10, 2011, 04:15:16 AM
Oh, I have mod confirmation that it is always active. (^ _ ^) V
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 10, 2011, 04:22:17 AM
Forgive me for not taking your word for it. :V
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 10, 2011, 06:09:25 AM
Why do I have to do all the work -.-
People GET IN HERE and give some reads damnit. >:(
I would go skim Mephisto's posts for content but unsurprisingly there isn't any!
It does make rereading really amusing at least.
It's exceeding both unhelpful and worrying that he pretty much said nothing about any of the people left alive now before Day 4. Oh, other then the case on Barbarian for being a survivor. >.>

Possibilities from Coldycraws perspective:
Fire Eye + Corpsefire = Team What Is Mafia? Both late game plays suggest a lack of understanding fundamental concepts, could be capitalizing.
Fire Eye + Summoner = This would be Team Superbus Each Other, possible end game strategy? Less likely.
Corpsefire + Summoner = Team Necromancer.  Not alot of interaction between the two of them.

:s Everyone is still scum..

SPECIAL ADDITION WIFOM
Barbarian + Anyone = Masons aren't always of the same alignment. Possible Scum JoaT? Explains not being dead despite being a claimed cop.. Also suspicious for actually finding scum finding scum through 'because he is :3 ' reasoning . ..Must sleep to decide if this is as convincing as I'm suddenly finding it, panic panic. Rereading Bremmfisto makes me feel better about this again.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Ryuki on September 10, 2011, 06:22:36 AM
Well, we can always use Keine. :3
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Pesco on September 10, 2011, 06:34:50 AM
Palace Cellars Votecount

Summoner (0): The Summoner

Not voting: Fire Eye, Barbarian, Coldcrow, Corpsefire

5 alive, 2.5 votes to lynch
94% time remaining

All visible information is correct
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: W on September 10, 2011, 06:46:40 AM
So it came to this. I am seeing a general trend in this entire game. I too am a superunique, except my 'Extra fast' does absolutely extra nothing. Just like Rakanishu also pointed out to Eyeback who claimed she couldn't be tracked, extra fast simply does - nothing -.

Opinion on others:
- So Summoner needing one vote extra to be lynched? Can't decide whether that is something good or bad for his allignment. Has survived a lynch thanks to that in D2...
- Corpse is lying about his mistake on his allignment read. Every role PM comes with a colour, no way he could've mistaken that...
- Barbarian we already know.
- Coldcrow. You were calm and collected before, until Bremm got exposed and lynched. Your entire behaviour changed from that point on.

Summoner still feeling town, Corpsefire + Coldcrow possible scum team in my eyes.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 10, 2011, 08:02:13 AM
Fire Eye: It's called getting srs. I kind of thought I would be winning with either side by now.
Looks like I'm townie 4 lyfe. ^.^/
No we are not using Keine. -.- Going to sleep.
No shenanigans while I'm gone!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Decade on September 10, 2011, 12:40:22 PM
Going PURELY off of role shenanigans, assuming Summoner is telling the truth, I'd really like to hope he's town just because he could get into situations where he's unlynchable without voting himself.

Quote
Also suspicious for actually finding scum finding scum through 'because he is  ' reasoning
If you've figured out who I am (likely, also I think I just realized who you were purely from reading 484), it's not that I'm bad at finding scum, it's that I'm bad at explaining -how- I found them :V

And yes that means I haven't been GUT =D'ing since D1 :I

"Because he is" doesn't really convince anyone though, so I really need to work on that. I'm bad at explaining most things in general >_>; In real life it usually comes down to something like "Well you do the yeah with the thing and the stuff and you go down the mhmm and then you, well, you know, and... wait a second :C"

Oh yeah and no, I didn't really get a useful item from the lynch. I picked up the Ring and Pesco told me about a bunch of stat bonuses that would be cool in Diablo but I don't think they actually do anything in the game. Unless I just got 1-12 extra votepower against people not immune to lightning and he didn't tell me, but, uh.

Agreeing with the "How could Corpse possibly have mistaken his alignment" thing, but, well, some people are capable of anything...

Sigh I wish I didn't think everyone other then me and Coldcrow was scum :V I'm actually making my opinion on who of them to lynch mostly from claims due to this, and I hate to admit that.

Summoner's role and him having a key makes me feel less that he's scum. I'm also a little worried about what happened when he drops his key, since then assumably all 3 keys are dropped and it feels like there would be a reason for this Key stuff, seeing as people are informed of having them and they always drop upon death unlike other items. Doesn't help that after the second key dropped we got some Diablo message. Possible BAD END reached if Diablo is summoned? I don't know a whole lot about Diablo 2 lore because I only beat like the first Act, or however far it's called until you reach the desert place.

tl;dr I guess that means I want to lynch Corpsefire or Fire Eye and they should both be scum.

Rereading the game. Starting to agree more with not wanting to lynch Summoner as I do. Also seeing that Corpsefire-FireEye scumteam makes a lot of sense. Both tried to steer D3 wagon towards Eyeback and didn't so much as mention Bremm. Oh wait Summoner did this too and in early D2 placed Bremm on his "I'll read him later" list andasdlfjhadslf now I'm confused again.

HAYO ALL. Corpsefire, Summoner, what are YOUR opinions on who to lynch today? I sure haven't heard any!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Pesco on September 10, 2011, 04:57:46 PM
Arcane Sanctuary Votecount

Summoner (0): The Summoner

Not voting: Fire Eye, Barbarian, Coldcrow, Corpsefire

5 alive, 2.5 votes to lynch
82% time remaining
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Kiva-la on September 10, 2011, 04:58:20 PM
I actually did screw up that terribly as stupid as a mistake it may sound some people pointed out earlier in this game I seemed lost. IIRC it was Nilathak and Cold Crow.

Anyways I highly doubt that I have any chance of survival for much longer but looking at the first page it seems that everyone who was lynched aside from Sorc and Mephisto was town. Even people like Nihlathak I generally assumed to be scum, meaning that Diablo and Baal (Whoever they are) are the scum team. I think that Barbarian can be safely ruled out of being one of the prime evils seeing as his win condition is to have all three of them Lynched. As for the Summoner I don't think he would be one of them either due to having a key. While I would want to lynch the Summoner just out of curiosity I actually think it would be best to keep them alive.

So Fire Eye, Coldcrow and I stand out as potential prime evils going by my guesses. I have nothing in my role PM indicating that I might be one however Bremm seemed kinda surprised to me about being one of them as well.

However it seems whoever I vote for I'll be pegged as scum with someone.

##Vote: Fire Eye

Mostly based on gut feelings rather then hard evidence but I feel like I have nothing to lose at this point because everyone thinks them and someone else are town while everyone else is scum or you are Barbarian and mostly confirmed as 3rd party.

Just out of Curiosity though what bonuses does the ring give?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: W on September 10, 2011, 05:01:05 PM
Cut by Corpsefire, but no editing required
-------------
Re-reading on Summoner claim and his interesting vote test. Summoner must be town. Seeing Nihlatak flipped town (key) and Countess flipped town (key), Summoner most likely belongs to this group. Confirmed by himself for having a key.

After re-reading on Barbarians "I lied /failed" post. Barbarian, your information is considered unreliable from this point on. You keep on generating noise and being useless for town. Or, you are also holding off information from us. I am starting to doubt your actual 3rd party allignment. Many information you lied about. Also you say it surprised you for not being shot? I wonder why. Maybe because you are alligned with scum after all?

Corpse fire, I read your claim post. Something tells me you are not totally being honest with us about your aura power. I have my own hypothesis on your spectral hit, because we've seen it on multiple people. But you are holding off information on your aura. Start talking

FoS Barbarian, Coldcrow.

##Vote Corpsefire
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: W on September 10, 2011, 05:02:02 PM
Requesting vote count
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Pesco on September 10, 2011, 05:09:03 PM
Canyon of the Magi Sanctuary Votecount

Summoner (0): The Summoner
Fire Eye (1): Corpsefire
Corpsefire (0.5): Fire Eye

Not voting: Barbarian, Coldcrow

5 alive, 2.5 votes to lynch
81% time remaining
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Decade on September 10, 2011, 05:16:17 PM
Quote from: FireEye
I am starting to doubt your actual 3rd party allignment.
Are you seriously suggesting this?

Okay, me and Sorc had our wincons confirmed to eachother in our role pms. I believe she claimed this. This sort of means that I'm, y'know, third party, unless I'm survivor scum that has to lynch myself to win (...what)

Unless you'd like to suggest that someone ELSE is Sorc's buddy? Yeah no. They would have counterclaimed me by now because I'd be obvscum, and as I said, Sorc's buddy is confirmed needing to kill the Prime Evils aka scum, so they would have sorta done that instead of letting me go about being obvtown.

...actually, well, it might not be the worst idea to save such a counterclaim till the final day so they don't get nightkill. But I'm still not scum :c

ANYWAY. Corpsefire and Fireeye jumping on eachother I think is scum trying to bus eachother. If Fireeye wasn't jumping on the two people I believe are completely not-scum I might think otherwise, but uh, ME? Yeah no.

He -does- bring up a good point about Corpse having Aura Enchanted yet not claiming anything about this. Regardless of FireEye's alignment, that combined with all of the other stuff about Corpse... I'm willing to vote Corpse right now.

Actually, votes are already being slung around. Let's do this.

##Vote Corpsefire
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Decade on September 10, 2011, 05:18:12 PM
Well actually I guess I could say the same thing about FireEye.

Augh they're both scum anyway.

If people would rather lynch FireEye over Corpse I'm okay with that. I keep waffling between which one I'd rather have my vote on.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: W on September 10, 2011, 05:21:24 PM
##Unvote Corpsefire

Jumping on each other? If you haven't noticed, I performed a vote-votecount check. You seem to be really opertunistic in this Barbarian.

That vote is odd. Why did I only do 0.5 on a physical immune person, while my attribute is fire. Spectral hit was shown to hit 0.5 on elemental immune persons. I need to reanalyse this.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: W on September 10, 2011, 05:22:33 PM
Cut by Barbarian but forgot to add in previous post:

I still want to hear the FULL claim on Corpsefire and Coldcrow. Her passing off "I am townie 4 life" raised question marks all over me.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Ryuki on September 10, 2011, 05:32:05 PM
Because your role PM should say 2 action types? For example, my action type is Cold and Magical.
...
@mod
V-V-V-V-Vote Count!

Because nothing is making sense now.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Kiva-la on September 10, 2011, 05:33:28 PM
I thought I mentioned what my aura enchanted meant last night. I have Concentration Aura  which allows me to make the target players actions unblockable at night. As for Spectral Hit it just means every vote or action I make has a different Element or says the Role PM. I doubt I can just unvote and vote the same person for a better or nullified score.

A reason why you may have done reduced vote Fire Eye is because Physical might be one of your action types making me block half the vote. I have Physical and Spectral listed as my action types

Anything else I should cover?

--

Cut by summoner but they said the same thing
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Decade on September 10, 2011, 05:36:36 PM
AUGH SO CONFUSED

##Unvote

WAFFLES

I don't feel like Corpse is super scummy anymore. This opinion likely will not last for the next 10 minutes, as are most of my opinions right now. At the moment I want to vote Fire Eye.

Too bad he has no brains for me to eat. :C I think I could use some.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Kiva-la on September 10, 2011, 05:40:04 PM
Oh Cold Crow would you mind explaining what your Multishot attribute does?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Ryuki on September 10, 2011, 05:43:18 PM
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO AHIUNGISDNFIDSFNS

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: PESCO


GUYS, PESCO KNOWS WHO THE SCUM ARE, BUT HE'S NOT TELLING US!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: W on September 10, 2011, 05:43:56 PM
I have fire listed as my ability in my role message. Something else is blocking me for some reason...

Suddenly this entire setup makes no sense. Corpse and Coldcrow still remain my scum pairing.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Ryuki on September 10, 2011, 05:48:04 PM
##Unvote
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Pesco on September 10, 2011, 06:04:10 PM
Tal Rasha's Tomb Votecount

Fire Eye (1): Corpsefire

Not voting: Barbarian, Coldcrow, Fire Eye, Summoner

5 alive, 2.5 votes to lynch
80% time remaining




<--- @ the people complaining
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Ryuki on September 10, 2011, 06:50:24 PM
I have decided!

##Vote: Corpsefire

The first Corpse had pegged everyone still alive (but me, but I'm town :D) and Bremm as Neutral/Leaning Town with suspicions on all of them. Other than that, there is absolutely nothing. Corpsefire has said nothing about anyone still alive.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: W on September 10, 2011, 11:03:43 PM
Going to bed, cannot decide between my targets yet because lack of information. Something for tomorrow morning when I wake up.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Ryuki on September 11, 2011, 05:30:17 AM
Oh god dammit
WHERE
THE
FUCK
IS EVERYBODY?!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Pesco on September 11, 2011, 06:51:26 AM
Tal Rasha's Chamber Votecount

Fire Eye (1): Corpsefire
Corpsefire (1): Summoner

Not voting: Barbarian, Coldcrow, Fire Eye

5 alive, 2.5 votes to lynch
49% time remaining
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Ryuki on September 11, 2011, 07:16:15 AM
(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5755/edible4.png)
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: W on September 11, 2011, 07:40:33 AM
I read Day 4 and Day 5 on Corpsefire and Coldcrow, still remain my two suspects. Corpsefire most likely depended on Coldcrow's play during this entire game, which possibly explains extreme lurking until Bremm died.

##Vote Corpsefire
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 11, 2011, 11:37:53 AM
Stupid internets.

##
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 11, 2011, 11:38:18 AM
I SAID
##VOTE CORPSEFIRE
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Punch Hopper on September 11, 2011, 12:04:40 PM
Oh wow I could have hammered hours ago if I'd been here! Sorry for making you all wait! ^_^V
If it makes you feel better I wasn't lying. I really don't die if I'm killed. Teleport just doesn't belong to Coldycraw. >;3
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Pesco on September 11, 2011, 03:56:11 PM
Spider Forest Votecount

Fire Eye (1): Corpsefire
Corpsefire (2): Summoner, Fire Eye, Coldcrow

Not voting: Barbarian

Corpsefire is at L-0.5
5 alive, 2.5 votes to lynch
35% time remaining
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Decade on September 11, 2011, 04:02:04 PM
Oh. I didn't say anything because I figured that was the hammer! :V

Well, this is better for me anyway, because I get a chance to pick something up that might be nifty.

##Vote Corpsefire

...assuming he's scum, at least.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Pesco on September 11, 2011, 04:28:14 PM
Arachnid Lair Votecount

Fire Eye (1): Corpsefire
Corpsefire (2.5): Summoner, Fire Eye, Coldcrow

Not voting: None

5 alive, 2.5 votes to lynch
35% time remaining

Corspefire was lynched.

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Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 5)
Post by: Serela on September 11, 2011, 04:29:55 PM
Hi. I'm Barbarian. Derp, I lost the game.

I was so sure Coldclaws was town, and I figured due to the extra vote thing that Summoner was town, so that meant both FireEye AND Corpse had to be scum, and I thought they both looked scummy... Corpsefire needing 4 votes to die didn't click in my mind because we couldn't tell until that final votecount and instead of my reaction being "...that makes him unlynchable if he's scum", I thought "Oh, that wasn't the hammer yet?" Bleh. Never before have I had to worry about how many votes someone is half-immune to, so I didn't think about it x_x

If we'd known Corpsefire was near-unlynchable before I thought he was already hammered and dead, I'd have cleared him the same way I cleared Summoner.

Most bleh thing is that if I had realized Corpse was -also- unlynchable if scum, and went over to vote FireEye and we had lynched him, I had my one-shot cop that would have gone on Coldclaws (...oh wait, it's crow. I thought it was claws for the longest time. I blame Shadoweh) due to being the only possibility left. Yeah I kept lying and even trying extra-hard to flail miserably to attempt avoiding the NK, which it turns out I'd never have gotten anyway due to thinking Coldcrow was obvtown >_>; I used my one-shot bulletproof N4, where I had been -trying- to draw the NK.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Helepolis on September 11, 2011, 04:30:43 PM
Say hi to the scum team, town.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/1444uh1.jpg)

Left to Right
Coldcrow - Baal - Shadoweh
Fire Eye - Diablo - Helepolis
Bremm - Mephisto - Hero999
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Hero999 on September 11, 2011, 04:31:22 PM
Heheheh really how'd this happen.
I was the one with the strongest role in scum, and the worse scum on this team :V
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on September 11, 2011, 04:37:05 PM
So, I'm just going to apologize first to all the other players for my behavior this game. From D1 I was feeling pretty crummy, I got a little better and then a whole bunch of other stuff went wrong when I exploded. Still, doing that was completely uncalled for and my modkill was completely deserved. So, I'm sorry about that. I'm going to take another break from mafia for a few months, I think. It hasn't been fun lately, and if I'm not having fun, there's no point to playing. Now, as for Eyeback, or Bardiche, I also apologize to you for my reaction to you. Again, it was uncalled for and hurtful to you. So, whether you're willing to accept it or not, I'm sorry.

Oh, also, my play was atrocious this game and Zak was far more accurate than I was, so I'm sorry for being so insulting to him to the point of saying he was playing as bad as wrathie. I do think you should try to lurk less though.

Scum played a decent game, though I think Shadoweh definitely carried it. Still, Fire Eye was very good at being in that middle zone of "scummy but not TOO scummy", at least for me. Bremm...well, you managed to avoid getting lynched D3, though you'll want to keep improving. Town was falling over itself pretty badly (again, somewhat my fault), though Kaa was really on top of things so I think he deserves special mention.

So, the best part of my role was the part where I became an SK is Bremm had died =D!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Serela on September 11, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
<Smashy> I... uh... How did Coldcrow!vote look like anything but scum attempting to quickhammer ftw?
<Serela> Hmmm. You know, I read that post, and thought it looked like that too, but by the time the votecount came around I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT IT AND JUST THOUGHT "OH CORPSE ISN'T DEAD?"

brb seppuku
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Shadoweh on September 11, 2011, 04:42:03 PM
>.> That sure was a thing! Serela, that was me trying to quickhammer the townie. I barely stopped short of calling myself Baal!

Most bleh thing is that if I had realized Corpse was -also- unlynchable if scum, and went over to vote FireEye and we had lynched him, I had my one-shot cop that would have gone on Coldclaws (...oh wait, it's crow. I thought it was claws for the longest time. I blame Shadoweh)
>:3 That was on purpose, you know. Once you see my powers you will understand. You probably should have used the cop long ago! I didn't shoot you because I didn't believe you still had it. Also Nihltakshfd was saying mean things about me. >:<

The worst part is if I'd stopped to read the scum QT before posting I wouldn't have outted myself like that. I thought for sure we would need to use the Desperation Plan. >.> Turns out not only is Helepolis much better at Diablo then I am, he's also pretty good at being Scum! I I hope I helped my partners get through their first experience as evil relatively unscathed. Sorry about running you over with that bus Hero! :D
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Helepolis on September 11, 2011, 04:47:01 PM
Well, this is my 2nd mafia game ever and first time scum.

I had to learn lots of stuff in Scumclass 101. Good thing we got put with Shadoweh together. Edible and Pesco QQing this game was terrible. I quote Pesco's tag under his avatar. I wasn't amused of the modkills. It made the game easier for us.

We shot Kaa first, because his 'mana burn' raised alarm all over me saying: "ROLE BLOCKER, ROLE BLOCKER, MUST DIE".

Shadoweh, you should listen more often to my GUT =D when I talk about the chars :V I suspected:
- Eyeback was tracker/cop  (confirmed)
- Barbarian/Sorceress partners with abilities (confirmed)
- Countess Vanilla (confirmed)

Oh well, what ever. Game over. Time for drinks.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: PX on September 11, 2011, 04:52:29 PM
DAMMIT SHADOWEH I WAS GOING TO NIGHT KILL YOU!!!!!!!!!

*Transforms into Diablo and smashes Shadoweh*
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Pesco on September 11, 2011, 05:03:34 PM
Modnotes - http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/H7t73KAXpf3Q

Prime Evils QT - http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/PqembjjU2Evu

Burial Grounds - http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/bHx9nbTzAVZB
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Smashy on September 11, 2011, 05:05:52 PM
Yeah, first game of mafia in years and I start off the wrong foot and I wasn't used to how fast it does here and :colonveeplusalpha: .  I was completely wrong on my scum guesses come endgame, too  :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Serela on September 11, 2011, 05:15:34 PM
Quote
NEOSERELA, when you read this, I want you to cry, ALL MY TEARS. I was flipped green since the start of N3. That means that the time inbetween, you have not even skimmed over page 1 - page 12... and we are only on page 16.
Of course I did :C

I mean, I just wasn't really paying attention to the color you flipped.

It's not like I expect people's flips to change while I'm not looking >_> I glaze past the "LYNCH RESULT" parts because they aren't interesting after you see them once.

And I mean, I was the first person to notice (Assuming town would have SAID SOMETHING if they saw it), so by your logic no one else (who was town) could have reread the game since then either. See what I mean? ;P

Quote from: Huhwhat
Serela needs to learn how to lie. He could have claimed to use the scroll tonight, and people would think he was bulletproof!
Aha, but that was the beauty of it! I was expecting that, with my unlynchableness and claiming to have a cop to use, I would definitely get nk'd. So I was going to use my bulletproof scroll (which was -not- used) that night, claim to have lied to attract NK, and then have scum think I was Bulletproof so I wouldn't get nk'd next night either, where I'd use my cop to make sure we didn't mislynch on the final day. But they nk'd Nih instead, and then I forgot Shadoweh scumclaimed by the time the votecount appeared :C Because I'm an idiot.

By the way, I thought back a little. I have screwed over -every single lylo I have been in.-
My first game:Vote in lylo, get Zent quicklynched, because I didn't know what LyLo was
My second game:Bofh assumes he's dead and doesn't quickhammer to get us the scum win, then I NK Sakana the next night instead of making him play kingmaker between me and Choja, so Choja wins by default
My third game:SA mafia, I'm town and we win before lylo even happens! Hooray.
My fourth game:Moriya Shrine Revolution, I totally fuck up my claim in lylo and fail to scum win; although, I would have lost anyway since the person I wouldn't have lynched was actually third party.
Fifth game:We do not talk of this game :C
6th:Zombie apocalypse, hammer myself in lylo and realize as soon as I hit "post" that Bard is actually scum, effffffffff
7th:last game, didn't live till lylo
8th:hiii it's this one

I don't -think- I forgot any of them. (Not including the two I replaced out of) Erm. So yeah. WELL HOW LONG CAN I MAANAGE TO KEEP MESSING UP LYLO? Surely not again... ;_;
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: ActionDan on September 11, 2011, 05:25:44 PM
Well.  I had a feeling this would happen.  But... not quite this badly.  I really don't know what to suggest to serela for improvement.  The best is to think before you act.  From playing chess, the biggest evil is complacency.  I could tell you were not apathetic, but I'm sure you must have said to yourself.  "W/e, I'm probably right, therefore I'm right and this will hopefully work out."

Helepolis gets Scum Mvp for sure.  Righteous and indignant play earns this award.
Shadoweh should have been ObvScum D4 onwards, and greatly suspected D2 + D3.
Well Bremm is textbook scum :V

Hele you have good instincts.  I actually don't know HW's full role, but I thought Mana-burn was a roleblocking ability too D1.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Bardiche on September 11, 2011, 05:28:14 PM
Like UK, I owe her my apologies; even if, by the end, (and from the start) I didn't aim to bring anyone off their game enough to explode into a raging ball of fury, it happened, and in hindsight I can trace all the steps that went towards that goal. Of course, hindsight is 20/20, and whether you believe whether I intentionally or unintentionally soured the game is left to debate. Or arbitrary decision, whichever works for you.

I think I'll also stick to watching and spectating games for now.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Pesco on September 11, 2011, 05:28:46 PM
I could tell you were not apathetic

You need to get your eyes checked.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Conqueror on September 11, 2011, 05:32:57 PM
So what was the deal with Uber-Diablo? And is UK serious about being an SK?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Pesco on September 11, 2011, 05:38:05 PM
Mephisto was guaranteed to drop a unique ring. The Stone of Jordan is a trigger item on the Diablo Bnet realms that causes the first Superunique you come across to be morphed into Uber Diablo. Hele's stories of fighting Uber Diablo was that once the event is announced, everyone rushes to find Rakanishu and fight U-Diablo there.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: PX on September 11, 2011, 05:51:53 PM
See, we would have found Shadoweh scum, but here posts were fuxannoying to read and in hindsight we should have lynched her for annoying us. Also, I knew she was scum because META

Shadoweh + Lylo = scum!Shadoweh

And I was going to eat her.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Bardiche on September 11, 2011, 05:54:07 PM
Quote
6th:Zombie apocalypse, hammer myself in lylo and realize as soon as I hit "post" that Bard is actually scum, effffffffff

You really improved since then. ;D Hammering self in Lylo lulz.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Conqueror on September 11, 2011, 06:08:59 PM
See, we would have found Shadoweh scum, but here posts were fuxannoying to read and in hindsight we should have lynched her for annoying us.
Solution is the quicklynch Shadoweh block that you chumps always wimp out of. Extra points for being unreadable or not making general sense.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Shadoweh on September 11, 2011, 06:28:05 PM
Solution is the quicklynch Shadoweh block that you chumps always wimp out of. Extra points for being unreadable or not making general sense.
And you guys wonder why I was posting like that. >.> No huh what, I did not think I was being concise or protown. ^.^ And I didn't kill you for being obvtown, I killed you for being obvtown AND for taking my name in vain!
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 11, 2011, 06:28:32 PM
Why did nobody lynch Bremm on D2?

I would have tunneled on him so fucking hard. >:< YOU GUYS.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Conqueror on September 11, 2011, 06:37:02 PM
This game essentially had six scum FFFF.

On the subject of Bremm, next time I see derpscum I'm lynching it with fire. But only if Shadoweh isn't dead yet.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Bardiche on September 11, 2011, 06:41:42 PM
Why did nobody lynch Bremm on D2?

Survivor claim. :V
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 11, 2011, 06:43:28 PM
I would argue that lynching scum > lynching the survivor who wins with town anyway, but the mod QT said that survivors had win priority over town. So ehhh... <_<

Also, Bremm should have been pushed to claim before Sorc. Both were awful scum who needed to die from my PoV (even though Sorc wasn't), but Bremm was worse.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Serela on September 11, 2011, 06:55:02 PM
Well, in almost all cases survivors DON'T win with town, so it wasn't a bad idea to assume that Sorc had been lying about either her wincon, or about being a survivor at all.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Bardiche on September 11, 2011, 06:57:38 PM
The thing with going "Oh, survivor claim, let's put on blinders and ignore them" is that it:
A) Permits third parties to just claim Survivor and get away with it, even if they're not a Survivor
B) Permits a non-Town-aligned entity to work towards its win condition with no need to pretend it is Town
C) Permits, for the future, non-Town entities to claim Survivor because MotK Town doesn't lynch them anyway

Hence why I decided that I would not suffer Survivors to live after claiming, for reasons A and B, and less for C. Also because I claimed Survivor as Scum and got away with it; MotK town has already shown itself to be ITP-lovers and that can have disastrous results.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 11, 2011, 07:03:41 PM
I understand why the survivor should have been lynched, but honestly, I think that Bremm should have been pushed to claim before Sorc in the first place. <_< His D1 was a lot worse, and this is coming from somebody who hated them both coming into the day (only I didn't because I was dead).

But welp. There's still no excuse for not lynching him on Day 3.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Helepolis on September 11, 2011, 07:13:27 PM
Hero999 you spoil sport :V You shouldn't have revealed our alignment when you entered graveyard :V would been more intense until late game.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Bardiche on September 11, 2011, 07:14:00 PM
Well, the modkill happened and made it impossible to lynch him D3. Everyone was also too stoked on how a quickhammer is super scummy.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: ActionDan on September 11, 2011, 07:21:31 PM
Bard.

It was scummy.  Corspe didn't get the chance to post again after he said he would.  I had said I was going to post again after looking over people.  It made no sense and I hope you don't do it again.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 11, 2011, 07:30:12 PM
It struck me as Something Town Shouldn't Do but not necessarily something I would lynch a player over, given the circumstances of the hammer.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Bardiche on September 11, 2011, 07:34:25 PM
We'll just have to agree to disagree; while it was in no way Townie, I don't think it warranted the results produced. I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 11, 2011, 07:41:08 PM
Quote from: Some wise dude somewhere once said
He who loses his cool, loses the fight.
People need to learn not to get too emotionally connected to games about arguing whether or not you want to kill them.

For the Record, Bard, My vote was investigative, not condemning. Okay, maybe a little condemning, but you were in no way town until you claimed your role and why you were eyeing fireEye suspiciously. The Quickhammer was not the only reason you were voted, it was just the reason why people took a look at you in the first place.
I wanted to lynch Bremm day 3, but thanks to the combination of Evil intentions (Oh hi, Fire Eye, I remember calling you out on this.) Ignorance (PX's case on Eyeback struck me as "Not fully reading what's happening"), and Emotional Stress, It looks like scum managed to stall Bremm's lynch for another day.

In other news, I still haven't forgiven Shadoweh, especially since she killed me a second time before I could even out her. UK's served enough punishment this game on the other hand.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Hero999 on September 11, 2011, 07:47:54 PM
Ehehe...Was I really all that Text book?
I had
No Connections.
Blantant Ignoring.
No Hunting.
No Wagon Hopping.
Hurr.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 11, 2011, 07:57:36 PM
Those were pretty much the reasons why we wanted to lynch you.
Your play worked out expertly since even after your flip we couldn't link you to anyone else, much less the remaining scum.
It's kind of disheartening looking back on the "Kill all Survivors, Forever." being considered a more important scumhunting measure than lynching someone who's actively trying to make reading the game harder. In fact, looking back at Shadoweh's "Look at me, I'm so totally not Shadoweh. Also Limerricks that don't rhyme." This observation could apply to her, too.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Helepolis on September 11, 2011, 08:00:54 PM
Also, we wanted to LoT Bremm on that day where he got lynched to mind-hax town more (WHY IS HE FLIPPING ORANGE?). Except we decided to play safe and I LoT myself. Just incase my instincts would cause Eyeback/Barbarian to check on us.

Though people would've probably went and sooner checked front page due to this. Perhaps it was good this way .
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 11, 2011, 09:33:11 PM
First of all, I'm really sorry I had to replace out.
I was sick and some real life issues meant that I really couldn't play the game.

SHADOWEH WHY ARE YOU SO SCUMMY.
I was still following the topic and Shadoweh's late game behavior was EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT SHE DID LAST GAME.
AND I WARNED YOU ABOUT THAT FIRE EYE, BRO.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Helepolis on September 12, 2011, 05:34:00 AM
D1-quicklynch-Shadoweh huh Dormio :V ?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 12, 2011, 05:36:02 AM
I keep saying that people should listen to me.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: J.O.B on September 12, 2011, 05:53:44 AM
GG everyone.
I'm sorry for all that anger, I was just getting so frustrated for no reason.
EDIT: Wow, I'm surprised you guys didn't identify me as J.O.B in the scum QT. Now I know the real reason you lynched me.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Helepolis on September 12, 2011, 06:45:30 AM
Shadoweh keeps telling me I did fine job in staying obvTown, reading entire QT people even put their hopes on me. Was I really that townie? Only after Hero spoiled it people were like: "ZUN.wav"

I felt like I was being suspicious, especially with my lolTunnel on Summoner and my fail on Eyeback.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Pesco on September 12, 2011, 06:46:44 AM
Hele: Those looked like honest mistakes probably.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 12, 2011, 07:33:01 AM
If I had still been alive, then I don't think I would have really considered scum!you very deeply at all without looking into the way you started D4, Hele. You did a fairly good job at looking obvtown, despite being scum.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Helepolis on September 12, 2011, 07:53:45 AM
One thing I learned from DtB was NOT TO take on too MANY READS AT THE SAME TIME. I decided to select up to max 3 people for my reads and try not to be "reporting/fence sitting". I was surprised my tunnelling worked on summoner and made him really pissed off :V At the end, that seems to have helped me end game to earn his trust ?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Shadoweh on September 12, 2011, 09:19:12 AM
Hey I just realized something.
Three scum, a mason pair that wins together, and someone suddenly turning third party?
Pesco, when did you start taking modding notes from MotK Psycho Plot?
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Helepolis on September 12, 2011, 09:25:21 AM
I hope Bardiche has no hard feelings towards UK and me as I stared him down hard with my fire eyes (the hard attack on him D3). It is all part of the game. I don't know if he suspected me as a scum or not because the modkill caused both UK and Bardiche to not get the graveyard QT.

Would want to know how they looked at the situation.

Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 12, 2011, 09:48:28 AM
Hey I just realized something.
Three scum, a mason pair that wins together, and someone suddenly turning third party?
Pesco, when did you start taking modding notes from MotK Psycho Plot?
/me teaspits.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 12, 2011, 09:51:01 AM
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2ezmj60.png)
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 12, 2011, 09:56:08 AM
Too bad there wasn't a Planeteer. With all the elements being thrown around, it could have worked.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Conqueror on September 12, 2011, 10:17:57 AM
Hey I just realized something.
Three scum, a mason pair that wins together, and someone suddenly turning third party?
Pesco, when did you start taking modding notes from MotK Psycho Plot?
Pesco should give himself the scumbag tag.  >:D
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Bardiche on September 12, 2011, 11:23:29 AM
I hope Bardiche has no hard feelings towards UK and me as I stared him down hard with my fire eyes (the hard attack on him D3). It is all part of the game.

I don't grudge people for wanting to lynch me. :V
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Helepolis on September 12, 2011, 02:38:34 PM
I don't grudge people for wanting to lynch me. :V
No I meant more like, were you suspecting me of scum trying to get you lynched or did you see me like "TOWNWHATAREYOUDOING"
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Bardiche on September 12, 2011, 06:27:49 PM
You don't understand; to me, everyone is scum.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Helepolis on September 12, 2011, 09:05:01 PM
You don't understand; to me, everyone is scum.
Your world sounds painful, sorrow and dirty :[  (dem skumms)
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Bardiche on September 12, 2011, 09:07:45 PM
Your world sounds painful, sorrow and dirty :[  (dem skumms)

It makes it easier to clear the conscience about who you're lynching; they're all scum anyway until proven otherwise.
Title: Re: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)
Post by: Helepolis on September 13, 2011, 09:48:22 AM
GOOD THING IN THE LAW ITS OTHER WAY AROUND,  "Not guilty until proven otherwise"