Author Topic: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win) (Read 73158 times)

Den-O · « **Reply #120 on:** August 31, 2011, 03:08:05 AM »

Mm, I've been, uh, "busy" today and still am. The essentia of how I'm feeling right now is that Countess MIGHT actually be town, though I need to reread the game in detail to confirm that, Sorceress is still bad, though to answer her question, Summoner hasn't bothered me at all and is bothering me less given the constituents of the wagon, Nih is still awful, and scummy to boot, Barbarian is probably town, and I forget anything else I thought skimming the last few posts.

Ryuki · « **Reply #121 on:** August 31, 2011, 04:24:13 AM »

Oh shush you, I have real life. And dinner.

Countess: Your giant wall of text is just.... No solid reads at all. Too many waffles to try and put yourself in a flexible situation, which is where scum always wants to be. Your reads look really forced. And your case on me is just spread out all over the place, trying a bunch of weak attacks. Does not look like honest scumhunting. Your rants with Raka and co. afterward do not look good on you either. Definitely looking scum, and will switch if need be at the end of the day.

Bremm has a complete... disconnect between his posts. I have a weird feeling with him, but he's not disagreeable, so leaning neutral. I'll be watching for him later though.

Barb is just a... headscratch for me. I just want to know, what exactly about my wagon do you support?

Punch Hopper · « **Reply #122 on:** August 31, 2011, 04:28:10 AM »

Odd. The Sorceress was more lackluster then I expected.
Was my movement in haste? That's all you want to ask me?
If Corpsefire is in danger I will eludicate.
But the Barbarian still needs attention.
It is easy pretending to find town. To find someone to suspect is the hard part.
In good faith you cannot cease being suspicious until you have found them.
To be absent is bad.
To be present can be worse.

Ryuki · « **Reply #123 on:** August 31, 2011, 04:30:25 AM »

Quote from: Sorc

And... if you're saying that the first vote wasn't random, then I dunno anymore.

Which vote are you talking about specifically? Also, if you can just state some opinions, or restate if you did, that would be nice.

*Cut*

I'm that star up in the sky, I'm that mountain peak up high...

Pesco · « **Reply #124 on:** August 31, 2011, 05:57:57 AM »

Stony Field Votecount

Barbarian (1.5): Charged Bolt, Coldcrow
Sorceress (2): The Summoner, Ancient Kaa
Rakanishu (0.5): Nihlathak
The Summoner (4): Sorceress, The Countess, Corpsefire, Fire Eye
Fire Eye (1): Bloodwitch
Bloodwitch (1): Barbarian
The Countess (3): Rakanishu, Eyeback, Bremm Sparkfist

Not voting: Beetleburst

14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
57% time remaining.
Beetleburst has been prodded.

OOO · « **Reply #125 on:** August 31, 2011, 06:05:26 AM »

I think a whole lot of you don't actually read the game/ don't understand my posts.
I have stated my reads somewhere in all of my opinions very clearly. Generally either at the beginning or near the end.
Also, I admit to overreacting (though it was never about Raka's vote, only all of the misrepping he did). That was really me just getting angry for no reason, and acting on impulse. I have no idea where that came from and I can recognise that it ws there. I apologize for being mean if I came across like that and I will try not to do it again. But I do get really frustrated by all of you guys not reading my posts right at all.
@Sorceress:
I have actually already answered those questions. Look again to find the answer.

@Someone(Corpsefire or Coldcrow I think was talking about me misrepping them): I was not intentionally misrepping you then. That was exactly how I percieved your post at that time. I thought you wanted to quicklynch someone and so I thought that was really bad. So I'm sorry for misrepping you.

If I missed anyone, let me know.

@mod: Seeing as the avatars are causing some confusion between everyone, would it be possible to add something to the avatars that look similar (like give me a silly hat or something)?

OOO · « **Reply #126 on:** August 31, 2011, 06:08:32 AM »

EBWOP: It was Coldcrow who mentioned the misrepping.

Also, speaking of Coldcrow, when did I ever say that one side of the argument had to be scum? I just mentioned that if one of them was scum, then it wouldn't neccessarily be the one who looks worse.

Pesco · « **Reply #127 on:** August 31, 2011, 06:09:44 AM »

Give me while to rip some new avatars.

OOO · « **Reply #128 on:** August 31, 2011, 06:13:27 AM »

K, thanks

Punch Hopper · « **Reply #129 on:** August 31, 2011, 06:26:19 AM »

Not understanding your posts.
A symptom of reads that can't make up their minds.
Try stating them again concisely. All your current reads. One sentence.
You didn't. But you felt need to take a side.
And called one side leaning scum. Now you're confusing again.
The one who looks town might be the scum.
This is why restatement is best.

W · « **Reply #130 on:** August 31, 2011, 06:44:56 AM »

Quote from: Rakanishu on August 31, 2011, 03:08:05 AM

Mm, I've been, uh, "busy" today and still am. The essentia of how I'm feeling right now is that Countess MIGHT actually be town, though I need to reread the game in detail to confirm that, Sorceress is still bad, though to answer her question, Summoner hasn't bothered me at all and is bothering me less given the constituents of the wagon, Nih is still awful, and scummy to boot, Barbarian is probably town, and I forget anything else I thought skimming the last few posts.

Explain, how the Countess is giving you "feelings" of possible Town? I couldn't make any sense out of the post.

How is Summoner exactly not bothering you, while he silly-voted on a bandwagon and now parking it with 0 explanation (and still refuses).

Ryuki · « **Reply #131 on:** August 31, 2011, 06:52:18 AM »

Have you even read my posts? It's not like that vote was completely out of the blue, I telegraphed it.

W · « **Reply #132 on:** August 31, 2011, 07:12:07 AM »

No you didn't.

#116 > no answer. My post was directly before yours?

#121 > You are analyzing countess / bremm / barb. Still no answer.

#123 > Still no answer.

No matter how many posts I read of yours they just blind my eyes. Nothing is being said than bringing back up stuff which have been passed millions of years ago. Still getting terrible reads from Sorc and you.

W · « **Reply #133 on:** August 31, 2011, 07:13:40 AM »

Suddenly, everybody became BIGGER and more PIXELATED. AWESOME.

Sasword · « **Reply #134 on:** August 31, 2011, 09:00:36 AM »

I have an immunity to ice, hence my vote for Fire Eye

and Fire Eye's reply #133 lol! how come? new screen?

OOO · « **Reply #135 on:** August 31, 2011, 09:04:12 AM »

I asked Pesco for better avatars. That's why.

Sasword · « **Reply #136 on:** August 31, 2011, 09:09:01 AM »

That's nice of Pesco.

DiEnd · « **Reply #137 on:** August 31, 2011, 09:39:48 AM »

Writing Mafia posts when I'm supposed to be in bed, go me.

RE: Coldcrow #113: I find it amusing that you specifically would say my gut hates townies. Aside from that, I think you actually hit the nail on the head in regard to why I felt somewhat was off about Bremm. I took another look at his posts, and he just seems to be hiding behind sparse activity as an excuse to pick at the leavings of the cases of other players. I would appreciate it if his next post was more comprehensive in regards to explaining his priorities, given that he does not seem to actually adding anything new to the table with his suspicions on the leading wagons.

RE: Fire Eye #115: If you're saying that I'm trying too hard, then you're probably right. I told myself I'd try to be more aggressive / hyperactive this game to see where it takes me, but then I remembered that experimenting with my playstyle ends horribly for me, sigh. I hope to sober up by the time Day 2 comes around, if not now. But, ah, aside from that, I'd like to know what you think of Sorc at this point. You pressed her in your opening post, but have not actually said anything since then. Did she just become uninteresting to you?

As for my own opinions on Sorceress, her latest post feels really disjointed to me, which is consistant with the way I think her opinions have come off so far in general. I'm having trouble understanding why she is still targeting Summoner over anyone else, when her reasoning doesn't really seem to have evolved from its initial ED1 state. Her point about the Summoner's jokevote has always felt trivial to me, and to see her continue to tunnel on it while giving updated opinions on other players bemuses me. Sorceress, why do you feel that the Summoner is worth voting over the other players you don't like right now, such as Nihlathak and Countess? It seems possible to me that you're riding out your position on his bandwagon.

I'm continuing to see an overdefensive tinge in the Countess' posts, and it is increasing my distrust towards her. Her entire #125 seemed to be dedicated to responding to other players instead of actually fighting the good fight and hunting for scum. Given that it has been pointed out several times that her opinions came off as waffly, her choice to turtle instead of actually update and reword her opinions bugs me. Countess, how have your opinions changed since you initially posted them? You haven't been pressing Summoner even though your vote rests on him, so it is hard to understand whether or not you actually still think that he is scum. You referred people back to your earlier post to see your reads, but I don't think that should fly at this point, given that a lot has happened since then.

Raka, can you sum up your case on Nihlathak? I haven't been able to follow it, and it seems somewhat reactionary to me. I get a potentially self-aligned feeling from his posts, but not a scum read.

Bloodwitch, it'd be appreciated if you actually made an effort to contribute to the serious discussion that is going on at this point. It seems like you're just hanging along for the ride right now rather than actually getting involved yourself. I can't get a handle on your alignment from this, but if you're town, then your play isn't helping your alignment reach their win condition. I'm assuming that you're new.

DiEnd · « **Reply #138 on:** August 31, 2011, 09:42:02 AM »

Ergh, that was wordier than I expected. Maybe I should stick with hyperactive tryhard posting for this game. <_<

I just realized that Fire Eye said he still thought Sorc was terrible recently. I still want him to respond to my question, though, because he didn't particularly go in detail even though she posted between his recent post and his initial one.

OOO · « **Reply #139 on:** August 31, 2011, 09:50:31 AM »

Well my opinions haven't really changed too much. But some of the reads have. Like Raka and his misrep made his town read go down. I realised how bad Sorceress was after Raka summed up the case on her, so now I think Sorceress is probably scum (though I have a gut town read on her). Other than that I can't really think of anything else.

DiEnd · « **Reply #140 on:** August 31, 2011, 09:54:11 AM »

If your town read of Raka went down, then why were you so quick to let him touch your heart and show you the light about Sorceress? That seems a little bit inconsistent to me. It's actually rather vague where you stand on Raka in general now that you claim your town read of him went down. Do you think that he is neutral, or that he leans on scummy?

Given that your initial post is still hard for me to parse, it'd be nice if you could just post your top three picks for who is scum and why.

OOO · « **Reply #141 on:** August 31, 2011, 10:08:35 AM »

Raka is neutral to me. He "touched my heart" so quickly because he was actually the first person to state the case clearly to me. You defnintely stated the case earlier but I could just not process it correctly.

I don't really have a definite top three yet but I can list the people I am suspecting.

Sorceress for the reasons said by Raka, and her latest post looks terrible too.

Summoner for lack of good contribution, voting for no reason, misleading us as to what he thinks (when he voted Sorceress then claimed he thought she was town) and also claiming that he had reasons when he had none (last post).

Coldcrow is looking suspicious to me currently. I have a slightly more town read on her (which means it's getting closer to neutral) as she is looking better in her recent posts. But that mentioning of and participation in bandwagoning looked very suspicious.

Also if I'm getting the gender wrong then sorry as I haven't played Diablo before so feel free to correct me on that.

W · « **Reply #142 on:** August 31, 2011, 10:16:16 AM »

@ Kaa, In #65, Sorc's post makes 0 sense. She oddly backs up Barbarian on FoS Corpsefire. No particular reasoning given. In #67 she brings up Corpsefire again, but remains parked on Summoner. #119 Sorceress returns back with HUGE POST OF NOTHING. Even totally evading the point I called her "start showing magic". I wasn't being cute roleplaying asking her to drink potions.

I still don't see magic. Sorc's vote parking is just as suspicious as Summoners. Both of them voteparked on eachother and both of them refuse to explain any further. And whats with the barbarian backup again in #119? What most and most frowned me was her line: "I would be convinced to go for Countess or Corpsefire". WHAT? So her vote on Summoner means nothing. Something isn't right here.

And then, when I reread the game, I noticed Eyeback's post. (#91). He makes good points on Sorc, Summoner and surprisingly Countess. And I would like to ask exactly as well on Countess, WHAT exactly made your "Town read" go down? Come up with some useful stuff so we can make sense of it. This isn't Who Wants to be a Millionare where we have to do guessing games.

I am removing Kaa from my personal 'Top 3 scummy-vibes people' and adding Countess in there for now to join Sorceress and Summoner. I am tired of these guessing games, I want to see some clarifaction.

Edit: Cut by Countess
But no editing required for me.

OOO · « **Reply #143 on:** August 31, 2011, 10:25:16 AM »

@Fire Eye:
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I have already explained myself!!!!!!
I said that my town read on Raka has gone down because of all that misrep he did.
Have I not clarified myself clearly enough that i have to repeat myself a fourth time? Because I'm sure you wouldn't like it if you had to say something four times over.

I AM ADDING EVERYONE TO THE 'TOP EVERYONE WHO IS NOT ME THAT IS SCUMMY' LIST. I AM TIRED OF ALL THIS REPETITION AND I WANT TO SEE SOME PEOPLE WHO CAN ACTUALLY READ WELL!!!!!!!! IF IT TAKES ME THREE TIMES TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE YOU UNDERSTAND IT THEN YOU SHOULD JUST LEARN TO READ!!!!!! IF YOU THINK THAT WHAT I SAID WASN'T CLEAR ENOUGH THEN SAY IT THE FIRST TIME INSTEAD OF THE SECOND OR FIFTH TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rant end.
Seriously two rants in two days isn't good at all you people are frustrating me so much.

W · « **Reply #144 on:** August 31, 2011, 10:42:16 AM »

I don't you quite understand. This isn't about whether you repeated it four, five or hundred times. This is whether you are making sense or not or your post CONTAINS USEFUL stuff.

Because of the misreps the town read went down? OH! So in your opinion misrepping decreases town vibes and increases scum vibes?

The only and ONLY usefulness I can get from your posts is your stuff on summoner, because I can see where your vote is coming from, even then for me, still does not explain exactly why you keep repeating Sorc is terrible terrible. You are confusing, and I don't like that.

For two pages long I keep hearing from people "Haven't you read? Haven't you read?" when I question them on their behaviour. Surprisingly they are both from you and summoner.

OOO · « **Reply #145 on:** August 31, 2011, 10:51:25 AM »

Summoner definitely did not telegraph that vote.
But I had my reasons in my post. If you can't read the posts, then maybe you should look harder.

Kiva-la · « **Reply #146 on:** August 31, 2011, 11:59:00 AM »

I concur with the other players saying that Bloodwitch needs to start actually contributing to the game.
It would also be nice if Beetleburst were to come around and post.

@The Summoner: I disliked the immediate return to RVS because there had been something to start the discussion and it looks like an attempt to distract town.
The same could be said of Bloodwitch, who walked in a while after the game started, RVS'd, and has been contributing very little all round.

Let's do a general opinion post!

Barbarian - #80 "Summoner wagon is okay to me." Could you please explain why and whether or not you think that this is still the case, since The Summoner has posted since? Reserving judgement but leaning town.

Rakanishu - Leaning town, nothing to see here.

The Countess - As Rakanishu says, her "defense" of me is really weird. She calls me as looking worse but tries to downplay that by saying that the worse arguer was town in the previous game. In her #71, she says "The strange gap of activity also seems slightly suspicious as it happened during all that drama about Raka and Corpse IIRC, it's as if he was trying to avoid talking about that, but I'm not going to judge that either as it could possibly be that he was doing something else.". Why bother bringing it up if you're going to discredit your own point? It seems like you're kind of paranoid about looking townie. Also, something about the rants just makes it seem to me like an attempt to flesh out a small point with fluff.

Fire Eye - Fence sitting on Kaa. Still, leaning town and therefore boring.

Bremm Sparkfist - Eh, neutral. Post more.

Coldcrow - Leaning town but the clears given in #103 are questionable.

The Summoner - In #51, you say that you're waiting on the Sorceress to make another post, yet jump onto her bandwagon in #58 before the Sorceress responds because...? If you were still waiting for the Sorceress to respond, would you not be better off looking for other scum? As mentioned above, I also dislike the return to RVS at the beginning of the game. Also, that promised read in #51 sure took a while. The results? Fence sit on the Barbarian and Bremm Sparkfist, calling me scummy but a non-priority(??), and the Countess being definite scum. Does nobody else look interesting to you? Have nothing to say about people that others haven't really commented on?

Nihlathak - Dislike his RVS opener. #84 Uh... What were your opinions? #34 where you said... nothing at all? Or #79 where you said... nothing at all? #89 clarifies this somewhat but I dislike how he expects us to read his mind or something when it comes to his reasoning.

Sorceress - I can see where a lot of the points on Sorceress are coming from, and don't have much of my own to add to them.

Ancient Kaa the Soulless - Leaning town. Nothing to see here, folks!

Corpsefire - I am the strongest!

Bloodwitch the Wild - Needs to realize that RVS is over.

Eyeback the Unleashed - Needs to post more. Neutral like Bremm Sparkfast.

Beetleburst -

Conclusion? ~~Everyone but me is scum.~~
Er... Let me try that again.
~~##Vote Pesco~~
GDI
Summoner/Countess are scummy. Sorceress, Bloodwitch and Beetleburst are bad. Eyeback and Bremm are ehhh.

Punch Hopper · « **Reply #147 on:** August 31, 2011, 03:57:37 PM »

Kaa should know how I feel about trying hard then.
This Coldshot thinks you're doing fine.
Being sober is also optional.
Bloodwitch is causing my palm to reach my face.
We know your reason for voting Fire Eye was nonsense.
This was us asking you to vote for someone for real reasons.
Your comments on Summoner, Sorceress and Countess are minimum requirements.
Mmm. If Countess does not like repetition then a new question might help.
What in the latest post by Sorceress is terrible in your opinion?

Ouja · « **Reply #148 on:** August 31, 2011, 04:03:37 PM »

The developments so far show that I am less interested in the pursuit of a Countess lynch now. While she still has that giant mark from her initial wall, she has since shown what appears to me as earnest frustration with the game. A defence that the opposition must not be reading is not very flattering, but I can't in good conscience maintain the current collision course for her lynch.

##Unvote

I have actually grown to dislike Summoner a bit more over the course of the last page. #121 with the promise of switching between either of the two prominent wagons seems rather too much opportunistic to me, and his lackluster attempts to solidify the case on Sorceress doesn't tell much of him either.

That he has since spent his efforts on digging up dirt on nearly all players earns my further ire and now my vote:
##Vote The Summoner

I have not forgotten Nthalatak and would like him to clarify the points outlined in my previous post.

In response to earlier questions, I can say that my dislike of Rakanishu is more a playstyle problem, whereas I find my dislike of Kaa to be more of the scummy variant; traps have all the makings of amazing town play, but doing something inexplicable on page 1 with the MotK meta seems to be equally likely to catch scum as derptown, and I find it lends itself as a platform to direct a mislynch. He is not so scummy I want to vote him for it, and his content so far has not raised my ire.

I have nothing to say on Corpsefire and find no value in "ranking" my suspicions, as they change with every post. I will say that I will be unlikely to vote Rakanishu or Kaa today, barring exceptional circumstances, and find The Countess much less tasty a lynch as I find Summoner, Sorceress, and now Nthalatak at increasing speed.

Kick Hopper · « **Reply #149 on:** August 31, 2011, 04:48:18 PM »

@Sorceress: I believe his play was reasonable. I do believe the way Raa and Raka worked together so quickly early in the game is eyebrow raising. However, I also don't believe that its enough to warrant a vote at this junction especially after they clarified on it.

@Bloodwitch the Wild: Your reason does not even make sense. Immune does not equal weak to another. Also that is not an acceptable answer at this junction. It would work for RVS but right now its just noise.

@Courtess:

Quote from: Bremm Sparkfist on August 30, 2011, 04:28:24 PM

@Countess: You said you are not just sitting around and waiting. However, your post here does not have anything that reaches out to "active scumhunting". Lying?

You have yet to apply anything that makes me willing to change my vote.
I would also like to ask how you "know" Summoner did not "telegraph" his vote?

Also in #94 you told Eyeback you were undecided about people and wanted to wait for more posts. Yet your #71 post clearly defines them in a category. Why do you contradict yourself so much?

@Nihlathak: You sound like your voting Raka purely on the basis of "I said I would". Also, the only thing I can take from your posts is "I don't like Raka"
Also, your expecting us to immediately know what your opinions are on subtle words. If you don't clearly define them, I won't believe them.