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Re: Canon portrayals that you wish got used more in fandom
« Reply #180 on: June 23, 2011, 11:29:07 AM »
Speaking of the were-hakutaku, I want to see more of the intelligent and strong Keine. Not the Mokou-obsessed caving freak that the fandom sometimes turn her into. And what is with everyone being convinced that she's a bovine? Apart from the horns, she looks nothing like a cow. It's basically Fan Dumb and it drives me nuts.

Indeed, I hate it when they distort Keine so.

And the cow thing I find hilarious.  :V
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« Reply #181 on: June 23, 2011, 11:31:58 AM »
Full agreement on the first part, but as for the second...

Okay, I stand corrected, but I still find the joke annoying. It downgrades a very respectable character.

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« Reply #182 on: June 23, 2011, 11:38:47 AM »
Also standing on agreement with the Keine depiction. While we're on the subject of Keine, let's not forget the depiction of EX-Keine being twisted into a serial CAVE-ist of all things (although they might have eased up on that over the years).
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« Reply #183 on: June 23, 2011, 11:47:26 AM »
CAVE-ist

YOUKAI! WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION?

By the way, where the heck did the whole caving gag come from? It just seemed to pop up out of  nowhere.

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Re: Canon portrayals that you wish got used more in fandom
« Reply #184 on: June 23, 2011, 11:52:44 AM »
YOUKAI! WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION?

By the way, where the heck did the whole caving gag come from? It just seemed to pop up out of  nowhere.

Blame 2chan and google translate.  :V
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« Reply #185 on: June 23, 2011, 01:27:01 PM »
I'd like to see more of this supposed "Bubbly Sakuya" that she's supposed to be when not around her mistress.

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« Reply #186 on: June 23, 2011, 02:06:47 PM »
Okay, I stand corrected, but I still find the joke annoying. It downgrades a very respectable character.

Humor, like a particularly annoying news reporter, doesn't care about how respectable someone is or how classy they are. Instead, it only sees what traits it can taunt or expand for its own purposes.

In other words, dude, don't take it so seriously. It's a joke about a fictional character, and certainly not the worst one out there. :V

I'd like to see more of this supposed "Bubbly Sakuya" that she's supposed to be when not around her mistress.

Wait, what? When is she bubbly when she's not around Remilia?
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« Reply #187 on: June 23, 2011, 02:09:03 PM »
Humor, like a particularly annoying news reporter, doesn't care about how respectable someone is or how classy they are. Instead, it only sees what traits it can taunt or expand for its own purposes.

In other words, dude, don't take it so seriously. It's a joke about a fictional character, and certainly not the worst one out there. :V

I know, but they do tend to get quite obnoxious. It's like hearing the same joke over and over and over and over again. The flavor of the humor fades away like chewed bubble gum.

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« Reply #188 on: June 23, 2011, 02:50:12 PM »
Wait, what? When is she bubbly when she's not around Remilia?

I thought I read it in one of the profiles on the Touhou wiki, but it turns out I was mistaken.

While she can be surprisingly careless at times, bubbliness is not mentioned.

A bubbly Sakuya would be pretty awesome, though.

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« Reply #189 on: June 23, 2011, 03:54:02 PM »
I thought I read it in one of the profiles on the Touhou wiki, but it turns out I was mistaken.

While she can be surprisingly careless at times, bubbliness is not mentioned.

A bubbly Sakuya would be pretty awesome, though.

It would add a moe factor to Sakuya.  :3
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« Reply #190 on: June 23, 2011, 04:56:50 PM »
Also, remember the Sisters fought them in a Spellcard Duel, of COURSE Reimu couldn't win. And
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Re: Canon portrayals that you wish got used more in fandom
« Reply #191 on: June 23, 2011, 04:58:01 PM »
It's been brought up before, but I will mention it again-- Chen actually doing what is expected of a nekomata. True, PCB says that her powers are somewhat limited, but the standard set of nekomata abilities does include things like throwing around ghostly fireballs and stealing the fresh corpses of dead people to dance with them like puppets on strings and leaping over them to create zombies.

Not all of this has to be used, of course, but it's still quite the contradiction to her fanon CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN diabeetus-inducing persona. iirc, a CYOA on TH-P once had Chen as the main antagonist, and it was quite a nice change from the usual.

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« Reply #192 on: June 23, 2011, 05:03:30 PM »
I don't mind the HNGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH from KCY-Chen (I suffer from teeny-tiny voice syndrome?!), but yeah, I'm honestly surprised fandom didn't turn her into the next Tewi. (A few fanworks have her collaborating with Orin to troll people, though.)

Canon Shikeiki means well, even if types like her I tend to ignore in real life. Yes, I know, gag manga ruining her depictions, but still. It's gotten to the point where I've run into a few people who honestly think she's a douche who sends people to Hell for arbitrary reasons.

(Also, her being shorter than Komachi and the jokes about it need to DIAF)
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Re: Canon portrayals that you wish got used more in fandom
« Reply #193 on: June 23, 2011, 05:13:31 PM »
Canon Shikeiki means well, even if types like her I tend to ignore in real life. Yes, I know, gag manga ruining her depictions, but still. It's gotten to the point where I've run into a few people who honestly think she's a douche who sends people to Hell for arbitrary reasons.

(Also, her being shorter than Komachi and the jokes about it need to DIAF)

Pretty much what I said.  :V
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Re: Canon portrayals that you wish got used more in fandom
« Reply #194 on: June 23, 2011, 05:22:46 PM »
Canon Shikeiki means well, even if types like her I tend to ignore in real life. Yes, I know, gag manga ruining her depictions, but still. It's gotten to the point where I've run into a few people who honestly think she's a douche who sends people to Hell for arbitrary reasons.
PMiSS outright states that she uses her spare time, which could be used to rest up and relax (lord knows she needs to blow off some steam, being a Yama sounds incredibly stressful to begin with), to go out into the world of the living and practically beg them to change their ways so that she won't have to send them to Hell when they die. She goes to the extreme (for her) of exaggerating their bad deeds to get them to change-- given how moralistic she is, she must really really REALLY not want to send them to Hell. And Marisa's scenario in PoFV has her saying "Hell exists not to punish sinners, but to ensure that nobody sins in the first place. I am here so that everybody realizes that."

That said, I imagine that if Shiki ever learned to lighten up, she might offhandedly "sentence" someone living to preemptive Hell just to scare them into doing the right thing. :P

As for things like height/bust size jealousy/etc, I don't see how they would apply to her, really. She's waaaaaaaaaaaay too focused on saving people from themselves to give much thought to it. Caring about physical appearance seems like something she would not only ignore, but actively disdain, since it takes time away from the more important things she deals with every day, and for being an impermanent, trivial matter.

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« Reply #195 on: June 23, 2011, 05:30:35 PM »
It doesn't even have any basis in canon, the ending screen shows she's taller than Komachi (granted, Komachi's leaning on her, but whatever). Granted, I think some people wreck her interpretation because of some weird moralistic difference in Eastern/Western values (overthinking, dohoho. People do something similar to Byakuren, painting her as a Darwinist Nazi because the Japanese frown on making the strong and weak equal. Someone told me she didn't like Shikieiki because she makes the punishment disproportionate, but I need to tell her that's not canon.)

Anyway.

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Re: Canon portrayals that you wish got used more in fandom
« Reply #196 on: June 23, 2011, 05:34:24 PM »
Am I the only one who doesn't see Letty as much of a mother figure? BAIJR made her sound like some sort of slacker...

I like slacker Letty.

Speaking of, I see Letty and Cirno's relationship not as that of mother and daughter, sisters, or lovers. I see it more like a comically abusive sensei who just want her idiot student to learn fast. Or something like that.  :V
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« Reply #197 on: June 23, 2011, 06:18:55 PM »
I see them more as "Dumb Idiot and the poor bitch who has to deal with her shit".
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« Reply #198 on: June 23, 2011, 06:43:13 PM »
As far as I can tell from canon, Letty is just there and Cirno is just there and they don't interact all that much.  Except for Letty wondering why people think they do.

Also about Yamaxanadu's height, it might not be that she's short but that Komachi is just that tall.  I see her, Kanako, and Yuugi as the tallest in Gensokyo.

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« Reply #199 on: June 23, 2011, 06:45:39 PM »
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Am I the only one not really bothered about their extreme power? Moon civilization is shown time and time again as superior to the main Earth civilization (the one with assault rifles and nukes). They're ancient beyond measure, masters of magic AND science, are all functionally immortal (except they still die from wounds, etc). As strong as Reimu, Marisa and Remilia are, I think they can't avoid but to look like amateurs near the handful of serious lunarians.

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« Reply #200 on: June 23, 2011, 06:55:46 PM »
I see them more as "Dumb Idiot and the poor bitch who has to deal with her shit".

That's a cold (no pun intended) and rather harsh way of seeing them.

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« Reply #201 on: June 23, 2011, 08:46:31 PM »
Re: the Watatsuki sisters
Am I the only one not really bothered about their extreme power? Moon civilization is shown time and time again as superior to the main Earth civilization (the one with assault rifles and nukes). They're ancient beyond measure, masters of magic AND science, are all functionally immortal (except they still die from wounds, etc). As strong as Reimu, Marisa and Remilia are, I think they can't avoid but to look like amateurs near the handful of serious lunarians.

Not to mention PMISS states they had a Lunar Expo. They had stuff like miniguns that could be fired with one hand and miniature nukes. And this is outdated tech.

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« Reply #202 on: June 23, 2011, 09:37:01 PM »
@Savory - More in the comedy gag sense. You know, "Straight Woman" being Letty and all.

The fandom puts them in a more favorable relationship if not a close one.


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« Reply #203 on: June 23, 2011, 10:07:10 PM »
I know. I don't mind the Letty-being-a-parent depiction, but BAIJR's permanently corrupted my image of her.
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« Reply #204 on: June 23, 2011, 11:58:45 PM »
I know. I don't mind the Letty-being-a-parent depiction, but BAIJR's permanently corrupted my image of her.

Contrary to prior belief, Letty isn't showing her hate for Cirno. She was merely comparing the powers of her and Cirno, then states her pride as a youkai that manipulates the cold.

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« Reply #205 on: June 24, 2011, 01:25:47 AM »
Yuyuko and the hunger jokes. Her hunger may be canon, but these jokes make her seem dumb and simple.
What about all the other stuff in IN beside her hunger? What about the fact that she figured out the situation in IN by herself as well her journey in SSiB?
Yukari gets to be the mastermind who knows everything while Yuyuko never gets the chance. :(


Also Koishi. She isn't insane or severely mentally retarded just because she has an ability that deals with the subconsciousness.

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« Reply #206 on: June 24, 2011, 01:40:06 AM »
Yeah, I'm tired of the Psycho Koishi stuff.

Yuyuko also figures out Ten Desires, iirc.

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« Reply #207 on: June 24, 2011, 02:12:30 AM »
Yeah, Koishi isn't nuts.  Or a giant bag of angst, for that matter.  As far as I can tell, she just...um, how do I say it...doesn't think as much anymore.  She's carefree, curious, and acts on pure impulse.  Also, Koishi has her own pets, but we never hear about that!  Instead it's always crazy cat lady Satori...
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« Reply #208 on: June 24, 2011, 03:17:28 AM »
Really? The common fanon depiction of Satori is depressed, a snarker, some sort of bizarre pervert, or all three.
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Re: Canon portrayals that you wish got used more in fandom
« Reply #209 on: June 24, 2011, 03:28:11 AM »
I've always seen satori as a lonely snarker, there's something about her expression when she says her famous line that just screams snarker.
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