Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!

[ふねん1]

Oh look scoring with TD Reimu again. :V I'm still debating how much I really want to do this.

[Shimatora]

Here you are
Guys! How the heck can you break 1 bln on normal? I mean i saw replays and do a lot of stuff like there but still cant get even 900 mln Here's my current best attempt at scoring with Reimu. Can anyone point me what am i doing wrong? I see like all score players do their best to enter stage 5 with full trance. Is is critical?

Main steps:

1. Shotgun bosses
2. Bomb bosses
3. Trance bosses

 :V

No, it's not critical to enter stage 5 with full trance. That may just be the current optimised route. You can attain 1,000,000,000 without that. Just plan your bombs/trances/deaths to optimise spirit intake. Also, look at what the players are doing throughout stages and see what kind of increase a certain trance/bomb in a certain place with give.

[Zil]

No, you don't.

I'm thinking that if I have a bunch of tricks from scoring they will help me get a 90fps 1cc, since I hear a score run in TD is a bomb-everything run anyway.

[MMX]

Main steps:

1. Shotgun bosses
2. Bomb bosses
3. Trance bosses

That's what i'm doing all the way. But not only the bosses matter. Places like fairies after Kogasa or stage 5 start give you a lot of spirits. That's why it's good to use trance there to raise your point item value.
Also there are attacks like Yoshika 1st and 3rd spells wich dont give you spirits from a boss, or Seiga/Yoshika nonspells where you can fire Yoshika for more spirits, or critical places like Futo boat giving you spirits at double rate and so on..

I'm thinking that if I have a bunch of tricks from scoring they will help me get a 90fps 1cc, since I hear a score run in TD is a bomb-everything run anyway.

More like trance as much as possible. And bomb to get more spirits for trance.
Edit: Just tried it again and got only 884 mil

[Shimatora]

That's what i'm doing all the way. But not only the bosses matter. Places like fairies after Kogasa or stage 5 start give you a lot of spirits. That's why it's good to use trance there to raise your point item value.
Also there are attacks like Yoshika 1st and 3rd spells wich dont give you spirits from a boss, or Seiga/Yoshika nonspells where you can fire Yoshika for more spirits, or critical places like Futo boat giving you spirits at double rate and so on..More like trance as much as possible. And bomb to get more spirits for trance.
Edit: Just tried it again and got only 884 mil

Then copy a replay. That'll help. :V

[MMX]

Heck yeah! 900m break. Game over at Miko's last spell, but this doesnt matter cause final bonus is insignificant in TD (except of extra). Looks like i'm learning some good routes. Hold on, billion! I'm coming for you :3

[ふねん1]

You know what's surprising me right now? Trying my hand at scoring in TD actually feels a bit refreshing (joggling the old memory banks, there's no feeling like it :V). I was able to get to Seiga while "roughly" following mithril's path, though I stopped there partly because I was short 2 bomb fragments and partly because I have other things to do right now. I can at least be thankful that Reimu's relative weakness means I actually need to dodge some boss attacks, and of course the scoring system always worked well enough for the stage portions.

[Random]

1.3b with Marisa on Normal was pretty simple with some improvising and Miko bombspamming.  :V Although I feel that I'm using way too many resources on her than I should. Hopefully I can do better with Reimu.

[MMX]

1.3b with Marisa on Normal was pretty simple with some improvising and Miko bombspamming.  :V Although I feel that I'm using way too many resources on her than I should. Hopefully I can do better with Reimu.

Marisa is much better for scoring cause of higher damage and spirit farming rate. Also she doesnt suck spirits on trance like Reimu wich could be used for some fancy trance refilling shenanigans. Reimu is kinda more interesting to use.

[Seppo Hovi]

I've come to the conclusion that using Normal, Lunatic and Extra as the difficulty selection for these adds more or less something for everyone while keeping the amount of categories fairly low (barring unusual special challenges and such). Thoughts?

What about switching it between Normal/Lunatic/Extra and Easy/Hard/Extra every other week? That way it would get some diversity, and every difficulty mode would get a change to be scored at. And easymode players like me could score.

[MMX]

Did i missed something, or why the results of MoTK 24 weren't published in the thread?

[Sapz]

It's because I'm slow and lazy. Don't worry, they'll get done. :V

[Shimatora]

Good job on 1.3b Apathy!

[MMX]

Good job on 1.3b Apathy!

+1
Looks like my route for stage 1 is good

[ふねん1]

If my last run is any indication, where I went into TD Lunatic mostly cold and performed everything up to Seiga perfectly, I might be getting more consistent at scoring this game. There's also this one idea I got for her last card in case I can't get a Trance up. Obviously it won't be optimal, but it can at least keep the run going.

[Shimatora]

Zero motivation to do a better run right now. May have another go towards the end of the tourny.

[Zil]

I realize I Have No Name kind of brought this up a while ago, but I want to throw in my opinion on it. I feel like for survival challenges it would make more sense to rank the the people who actually 1cc the game by remaining resources at the end, kind of like the TD special challenge from whenever ago. As it is it really seems to just boil down to a scoring challenge rather than survival, which I feel takes the fun out of it for those who were just playing for survival. Naturally I'm not saying change the rules midway for this one, but I think future challenges would make more sense that way, at least if it's going to be called a "survival challenge."

On a related note, I'm a little sad that nobody else is doing SA Lunatic. I expected there to be some competition going on there.

[ふねん1]

On a related note, I'm a little sad that nobody else is doing SA Lunatic. I expected there to be some competition going on there.

I don't play at 90 fps. :V

[Shimatora]

Almost able to 1cc Extra! Wont be able to compare to T's score though. Able to get to the second to last spell card at the moment. Will see what I can do before the tournament ends.

[Random]

When will I ever be able to get spirits during Nue's first card?

oh right never

then why am i always trying to do that then die in the first 5 seconds

[Shimatora]

Hopefully get my Extra score up to 250-300m by Monday!

[MMX]

Aww, Funen! That one death with 3 bombs before Miko cost you 2 bil, i suppose. Damn, even in Ten Desires with it's dumb scoring system getting a good score-run is always a matter of flawless performance.

Meanwhile, did i missed something, or does anyone trying 90 fps SA extra?

[Zil]

I tried it, and got to Embers of Love. Maybe I should go for a clear, though ReimuB is hardly my preferred character, and noone else is trying to beat me anyway .

[MMX]

Ahaha! And then came papa T and kicked our butts like he should :toot:

[Vibri]

Those scores are from Heartbeam. T posted them for him because he's too autistic to do it himself I guess.
I'll attempt to top that normal score but 90fps is hard booooooo

[Zil]

Why so late?

I might have been able to beat that Extra score if I had more time.

[MMX]

Just watched Heartbeam's extra replay. Holy flying dicks of netherworld! He's playing 90 fps like it's native speed, making all regular 60 fps players feel like slowdown cheaters

[Zengeku]

True thing man. I just watched T's 750 mil run and it was fucking amazing. I mean, I caught myself looking down at the FPS-counter several times thinking 'This was done at 90FPS right?'

It just seems so unrealistic to be able to move with that much precision in 90FPS game speed. Do you guys just turn off your muscle memory or something? Regardless, really impressive run.

[チソウ タイゼン]

I heard a mention of speedrunning the Touhou games in one thread by Supermassive Catfish. We should do a challenge like that :V

I'd imagine MoF or SA could be cut down to <20 minutes or so. Eh?

[Zil]

I'm thinking there is a definate minimum for the Special challange. You have to pacify everything, though I guess a suicide to PWG is called for. It will be silly if the bullets cancelled in PWG alone determine who wins on Normal, assuming multiple people manage a perfect pacifist run. :derp: