Filler Mafia - Day 5

[O4rfish]

There was a serious derth of activity on day 1.  Even with a phase extension, conversation never got happening.  I hoped to restart activity by posting some questions.  It got the ball a little rolling, but only a few people were willing to play.

There were already conversation topics, even arguments, in play.  I cannot believe you would seriously imagine that introducing a new conversation topic so inoffensive and toothless as "what is your favorite way" would lead to a faster lynch than focusing on the conversations already going on, and trying to draw lurkers into them. 
I CAN believe that you would try to change the subject to something completely new, something not immediately voteworthy, to slow down scumhunting while appearing to be contributing. 

Do you believe I did this on day 1?

That's what it looks like.

[DNAbc]

I am confident at this point sky p is just downplaying my accusations so that he can drag the day along more and repeat what happened ed1, while hoping us forget about the fuss d1 over something else.

Basically, I believe that sky p should stop baiting us and explain what contributive 'report' he has to share, also please don't forget what happened d1, I won't be there during endphase due to timezones, so I hope we can sort this out before the 24 hour mark

Also, really want cf7 to explain himself. At the point of using your extension ability, you were the prime candidate for a consolidate lynch, so the major motivation behind using it would be to save your skin, yet you failed to actually to capitalize on the additional time to give us your scumreads, claim, or anything really. This led me to believe that you are actually just trying to throw us off and hope that the apathy and lack of direction would cause town to direct the lynch elsewhere, which, congratulations, while you succeeded, you also managed to look terribly scummy, I think this is the second prime wagon after sky p

Which brings me to Zak and shadoweh, both are relatively uncontributive, with the former having ambiguous arguments and the latter only coming up in my mind for giving far too little actual content. That's my impression at least, need to check back a bit to be sure

[Sky_Paladin]

Fuck off.  Only 4/8 players have even posted this phase and 24 hours are done. 

I told you I have a report and I will share it when it's the right time.  I'm not going to throw this asset away just because you can't be patient. 

Also, really want cf7 to explain himself. At the point of using your extension ability, you were the prime candidate for a consolidate lynch, so the major motivation behind using it would be to save your skin, yet you failed to actually to capitalize on the additional time to give us your scumreads, claim, or anything really. This led me to believe that you are actually just trying to throw us off and hope that the apathy and lack of direction would cause town to direct the lynch elsewhere, which, congratulations, while you succeeded, you also managed to look terribly scummy,

I fucking said this already.  Do you even read my posts or just make mouth sounds and look around in horrified confusion when people look nervously at each other and make the 'is this guy crazy' motion, twirling their fingers around their ear. 

@Oarifhs

There were already conversation topics, even arguments, in play.

Ok, cool.  Link them for me.  Because by page 2 DNA was already making a case that I wasn't voting CF7 'for real' enough. 

That's what it looks like.

Then you are a fucking idiot.  I made a case and vote on Murren.  I made a case and vote on CF7, and I supported it, argued it with CF7, and debated semantics with DNA until the latter just kept saying the same thing over and I was done.  Your vote is as bad as DNA says mine is - except I've substantiated my reasons for voting CF7, and now DNA things CF7 could be scum too. 

[Sky_Paladin]

Like you cannot be serious. 

I put in more effort than anybody else on day 1 and you think I'm trying to...

Let's see, DNA said 'make town apathetic' and Oarfish said 'slow down scumhunting'. 

THE REASON FOR ASKING QUESTIONS IS TO GET PEOPLE TO POST IN THREAD.  NOTHING WAS HAPPENING.  We were just going to afk-to-death.  We had a no lynch. 

Who was responsible for the no lynch?
Non-voters and afk players. 
Shadoweh.
Zakeri. 
ActionDan.
CF7. 

Which of these players posted and took an active part in the day phase. 
Which of these players were actively making votes and pushing cases and trying to apply pressure. 
None of them were. 

DNA was at least trying. 
Do you know why I'm not voting him, even though more than anything else I want to smack him in the side of the head with my laptop?  Because even though the things he posts doesn't make an iota of sense, he is trying.  AND HE IS POSTING.  He is here and he is active and he is alive and even though his posts reek of inconsistency and confirmation bias and incessant badgering without even reading the responses to the questions HE IS TRYING.  Effort is not indicative of alignment, but ALIGNMENT IS INDICATIVE OF EFFORT.  I don't want him out of the game even though he tunnels me every game no matter what.  Maybe this game will be different.  Maybe when I'm confirm town after this day phase he'll do something else (but I'll be dead but nevermind). 

You come in here and are like "So I read DNA's case and agree with it" how about reading why I said his case was bonkers, and how about looking at other players, and how about explaining why you think he has some good points.  Because I've already tried four times now and he just doesn't listen, and I just can't care about it anymore.  If enough players buy in to it that I actually have to deal with it, I won't!  I'll just full claim and say 'see ya' because my work is already done. 

Because that's probably what I'm going to do at about halfway through this phase and I really...can't be bothered to argue with either of you over nothing.  Good day. 

[Shadoweh]

Maybe you should prod Murrin offsite in case he didn't notice the Day started again.
Oh, stop being so dramatic. Scum should be just as interested as getting a lynch as you are, no-lynching doesn't kill as many people. Two votes isn't a reason to flip the hell out.

##Vote: CF7

[O4rfish]

THE REASON FOR ASKING QUESTIONS IS TO GET PEOPLE TO POST IN THREAD.  NOTHING WAS HAPPENING.  We were just going to afk-to-death.  We had a no lynch. 

Well, I disagree with your logic there but I guess I can't fault your effort.  It looked really suspicious by itself though.
the post here is sort of what I thought you should have posted instead ... which you did
#Unvote

Shadoweh: you voted Dan during RVS, and then left your vote there.  I can understand why you would have wanted to keep voting him, because AFK, but why did you never encourage other people to vote him?  Conversely, why didn't you switch your vote when you posted this?
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[DNAbc]

Look, calm down, and listen to me.

We are of opposing stances on your behavior, its natural you would reject my statement.

But what I am asking for is you to substantiate for the motivation behind your behavior, and prove why that your view (not just sheeping vote+apathy generating) is likelier than my view(is sheeping vote+apathy generating), but you have only sidestepped the problem so far and even resorted to cussing at me.

Ive faced the same problem before when arguing with NNR too. But this time Id like to believe I am being relatively civil. I am not quite sure why myself why its you being aggravated instead of me, when I am the one faced with multiple rather crude insults to my intelligence, capability and integrity, while all the time I am just asking nicely for you to explain yourself. If that was the one time me being sarcastic that pissed you off, I was very tired and frustrated, but I believe it still shouldnt warrant such rudeness on your behalf.

If you have a confirmation or claim to make, you have to state it before we (or at least, myself) could decide if we can trust it or not. Its your decision that this timing is inopportune for your claim, so shouldnt it be your responsibility to explain that to the doubters?

If you flip scum though well screw me for being sentimental


Ninjad by two

[DNAbc]

Also real glad that shadoweh is back, I have a question for you, why do you want cf7 lynched?

[O4rfish]

I'd throw out a random vote but I feel like people would say "WHY DID YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT AN RVS GUY AND THEN THROW OUT A RANDOM VOTE" so I'll stay quiet for now.

I guess I'll hold my vote on Zak because he ignored my suspicion and didn't defend himself, and I don't really have a case on anyone (and apparently not voting is scummy).

so, I'm not the greatest or most experienced Mafia player ever, but don't post stuff like this.  You don't want people to think you're only trying to appear Townish.  You want to have honest and transparent motives for doing whatever you're doing, or be able to fake them convincingly. 
If someone jumps all over you for doing something you think is right, that can be discussed AFTER you do what you think is right.

[O4rfish]

so tired, back tomorrow

[Sky_Paladin]

I apologize for my earlier rudeness. It's never okay to make personal attacks or swear at people.

That aside, Shadoweh's vote is likely because she learned (as I have) that CF7 is not actually vanilla town, so lied about his claim on day 1. 

But since I'm not 100% about that right now Ill wait and see a little longer.

[CF7]

That aside, Shadoweh's vote is likely because she learned (as I have) that CF7 is not actually vanilla town, so lied about his claim on day 1. 

Well. It's true and not at the time. It depends on how you want to look at it. I was vanilla town when the night started. At the same time i got mysterious one shot heal, which i used on Serela. And i am thinking it's that thing that O4rfish mentioned. Now i am vanilla again. Also i am tired as... um... something really tired. And i'll be back tomorrow.

[WHMZakeri]

Come on guys, the Four Job Fiesta is in three days. Can't you lynch me properly?

I still think Murrin's early reservations against RVS seem somewhat suspect. It just reads very poorly, between being pressured to vote and the way he commented on Shadoweh's offhand mention of probably having 5 doctors.

in 44, DNA makes a case on Sky_P for "Using metagame arguments to intentionally induce apathy" but I don't think any apathy sky produces is intentional. Especially since I was kind of swayed by his arguments against Mirrin.

rereading Serela vs. CF7 and I think I was pretty drunk yesterday (despite not having any alcohol in the house). I somehow got it in my mind that Serela being direct was actually him being hyper aggressive. That said, CF7's OMGuS looks pretty bad in the context of "I was going to (not) make a placeholder vote but now I'm gonna vote you instead, nyeah!"

So suspect of Morrin, Heavily suspect CF7 so far, Serela isn't bad at all in hindsight, I doubt Sky or DNA are scum, and Shadoweh is my super bestest buddy in the whole world.
so up to post 90 and I'm already at "If it's not Morrin, it's probably Oarfish." Just down to process of elimination.

I still have to catch up, though, but have my thoughts anyways.

[WHMZakeri]

SB should hire somebody to do votecounts.

I have Serela voting me,
Oarfish and DNA are voting sky_P
and Shadoweh voting CF7

[SB]

Bike-huni Zakeri (1): Serela
Sky_Paladin (1): Darkninjaabc
CF7 (1): Shadoweh

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. There are 46 hours and 22 minutes left in the day.

God these votals look ugly.

[WHMZakeri]

Abstaining from neon yellow might make them look better.
Also it was Oarfish that unvoted, not DNA.

Also, Zak, you didn't explain why you held your vote on Dormio earlier this phase after seeing Dormio's contributions.

Contributions don't automatically mean not-scum unless you're playing with people that rely on cops 80% of their games. In which case Contributions means absolutely scum.
Point is there wasn't a reason to move my vote. It's bad form to just give up voting somebody without having anything else to vote for.

Okay, I'm going on the lookout for CF7's explanation of why Day one needed an extension so bad. Aside from the fact that apparently nobody cared enough to actually get a lynch going.

I read through most of the DNA vs Sky_P and I'm not really that convinced that Sky is the one responsible for the apathy that lead to yesterdays results. I'd rather pin that blame on CF7 who had control of the extension and blew it early day one. The extension serves town best on day two or three, where we can have more time to analyze and discuss, but it feels like either a careless or scum move that it was used on ED1.
I feel like trying to pin the apathy on Sky_P is falling into the trap of believing the scum are omniscient of future events. I don't think scum-sky would enter the game going "How can I prevent people want wanting to lynch anybody?" Especially since most people had realworld excuses for why they couldn't show up.

also Oarfish empty unvote followed immediately by going to bed :/ not 100% bad since he's asking questions to Shadoweh in his unvote post. I think CF7's complete lack of vote looks worse in his "I'm also going to bed tomorrow."

##Vote: CF7

[WHMZakeri]

So in short, I know CF7 said he had obligations to other games, but I feel like the amount of coasting he's doing in this game, especially with blowing his extension at a time where it hurt town's play, is kind of unreal.

[Sky_Paladin]

I can 100% confirm CF7 is lying about his night action, because if he was telling the truth, Serela would be neon yellow instead of me. 

Actually CF7 performed a redirect action.

More when I get back from the castle, but CF7 is scum.

[Sky_Paladin]

Please don't put CF7 at l-1 since he will hammer and phase end.

[WHMZakeri]

Okay, now I regret missing phase end even more than I already did.

[Shadoweh]

Shadoweh: you voted Dan during RVS, and then left your vote there.  I can understand why you would have wanted to keep voting him, because AFK, but why did you never encourage other people to vote him?  Conversely, why didn't you switch your vote when you posted this?
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I didn't think CF7 was a bad wagon, so I didn't feel like dissuating it from happening. I was expecting Dan to, I don't know, yell at me, post something, but I never got a reaction out of him because he lurked out it seems. :/ I didn't switch at the time because I didn't want to put Cf7 at L-1 right when there was a sudden extension. If I'd realized I was going to be absent at deadline I would have switched. I think I've gotten too used to seven day deadlines and the DL being next Never.

Sky: lol no I just thought at the end of the day phase he didn't sound interested in lynching but more like uhm, watching a good movie in which town was a disaster. If he's scum then the other scum was probably one of the three who tried to bum rush Zak? (clearly not Serela as he wasn't trying to lynch his scum buddy)

[CF7]

I can 100% confirm CF7 is lying about his night action, because if he was telling the truth, Serela would be neon yellow instead of me. 

Actually CF7 performed a redirect action.

More when I get back from the castle, but CF7 is scum.

I stand by my claim.

[Serela]

welp, which way are the role shens gonna fall

[O4rfish]

I can confirm that this slot turned CF7 into a one-shot doctor with no other powers LD1. 

[Serela]

if I knew I was going to get doctored I really would have claimed d1 ;_____;

[O4rfish]

No other powers beyond faction powers, that is.

Nobody had that kind of information Serela! 

[O4rfish]

SB, can we get a replacement for Murray?

[Serela]

"can" is probably the operative word here, we don't exactly have throngs of people jumping at the chance to play some choice mafia

[Serela]

Also; Zakeri's new posts are better and I'll have to consider this when it isn't 1am.

[Murrin]

SB, can we get a replacement for Murray?

I'm reviewing the thread now.  I was busy this week.