Author Topic: Filler Mafia - Day 5 (Read 32900 times)

O4rfish · « **Reply #210 on:** June 20, 2015, 03:46:25 PM »

My role is titled Town Day 1 Inventor/Vanillaizer, and it's a one-shot ability that has to be used on Day 1. Nobody was playing LD1, so SB forced himself to decide and target the ability. I do not know why SB waited until LN1 to ask for a replacement.

Dan said "I do not wish to rvs vote atm" which had nothing to do with not being able to vote.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #211 on:** June 20, 2015, 03:53:29 PM »

That seems like a bastard setup (randomized element) when simply delaying until a player could be found to act is a more plausible action.

I'm not calling you a liar; I just feel this explanation is deeply unsatisfactory.

It seems more likely that a scum buddy submitted the action for Dan since he was afk.

I'll sleep on the implications. But I think a flip of CF7 is now basically mandatory regardless of Shadoweh's response.

O4rfish · « **Reply #212 on:** June 20, 2015, 03:57:59 PM »

Go ahead and ask SB if random = bastard. If he doesn't get mad at you, you can lynch me.

Serela · « **Reply #213 on:** June 20, 2015, 04:03:19 PM »

Uhm. `-`

I mean I'm not opposed to a cf7 lynch for purely play based reasons but this still feels awkward.

CF7 · « **Reply #214 on:** June 20, 2015, 04:42:22 PM »

Ugh. This game. Chromatic madness.
Yep. I forgot to mention that my action failed. Likely to me being blocked. By someone. Also i decided to doc Serela because i thought he was town, obviously.
I dunno whom i want to lynch, since i am feeling like shit, but since roles are not indicative of alignment anyway, it can be again anyone. Still i could go for Shadoweh or maybe even Serela.

O4rfish · « **Reply #215 on:** June 20, 2015, 04:55:52 PM »

Any particular reason why you'd vote for them?

CF7 · « **Reply #216 on:** June 20, 2015, 05:02:21 PM »

Purely gut.

O4rfish · « **Reply #217 on:** June 20, 2015, 05:08:31 PM »

You gotta bring something to the table if you want to play.

#Vote: CF7

Serela · « **Reply #218 on:** June 20, 2015, 05:21:47 PM »

Suspicious ed1, forgot his action was blocked when he's being accused that his action couldn't have happened, proposes votes on seemingly random targets for "gut", yeah um

##Vote CF7

Serela · « **Reply #219 on:** June 20, 2015, 05:22:42 PM »

oh wait did I just ly-oh no wait that was only l-1 okay

just

putting that out there

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #220 on:** June 20, 2015, 06:15:09 PM »

Confirming that I still want CF7's lynch for non-role reasons.

CF7 · « **Reply #221 on:** June 20, 2015, 07:20:43 PM »

It's for the best.

DNAbc · « **Reply #222 on:** June 20, 2015, 10:50:58 PM »

Yes, I do want a Cf7 lynch

What are the votals?

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #223 on:** June 20, 2015, 11:48:15 PM »

I'm feeling that Oarfish's advance knowledge that CF7 was roleblocker (re "ask if paint goes through a roleblock" and his many scenarios that assumed a role block) is evidence they are in private conversation with each other.
Oarfish, please explain.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #224 on:** June 20, 2015, 11:58:22 PM »

Or rather, oarfish is in private conversation with *a player* that roleblocked CF7.
So, Oarfish, please clarify.

Please somebody unvote so Cf7 doesn't self hammer.

O4rfish · « **Reply #225 on:** June 21, 2015, 12:10:48 AM »

Paint did not travel from CF7 to Serela, and we thought it should have.
Skypal: this means CF7 used a redirect ability on me which Oarfish said he couldn't have used
Oarfish: this might mean CF7 was roleblocked from doctoring Serela, depending on whether paint can travel through a roleblock.

Not seeing how this makes me suspicious.

O4rfish · « **Reply #226 on:** June 21, 2015, 12:22:40 AM »

Skypal: "Here is a roleshens puzzle"
Oarfish: "Let's try to solve the roleshens puzzle. Skypal, would A imply B?"
Skypal: "A is knowledge that Scum could use to great effect. You are suspicious for asking about it."

CF7: "Oh by the way, A exists and I forgot about it."
Skypal: "Oarfish was asking about A earlier! He knew A existed all along. How suspicious he is."

DNAbc · « **Reply #227 on:** June 21, 2015, 12:25:30 AM »

Also, can someone seriously unvote? I am probably getting killed tonight, and I want more discussion before the inevitable happens.

DNAbc · « **Reply #228 on:** June 21, 2015, 12:27:34 AM »

Oarfish, unvote, ty

O4rfish · « **Reply #229 on:** June 21, 2015, 12:28:20 AM »

OK, so go ahead and discuss
#unvote

SB · « **Reply #230 on:** June 21, 2015, 12:36:57 AM »

CF7 (3): Shadoweh, Bike-huni Zakeri, Serela
Sky_Paladin (1): Darkninjaabc

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. There are 20 hours and 53 minutes left in the day.

DNAbc · « **Reply #231 on:** June 21, 2015, 12:45:36 AM »

I can't make long posts, but its easy and fast to draw conclusions from facts;

>Zak claimed he targetted shadoweh, making Zak yellow

>oarfish claimed he gave cf7 a doctor

>cf7 affirms to have received the doctor, and claims to have his action blocked while targetted serela

Since the current yellowlist consist of three people, shadoweh, Zak and cf7, something obviously doesnt add up, which means someone is lying about their claims, the obvious suspect being cf couldn't have gone yellow unless shadoweh targetted cf, which still needs confirmation because shadoweh is MIA, but if shadoweh confirms that, and assuming cf is also claiming the truth, that would make shadoweh a roleblocker, the prime scum role

And what above only works under the assumption(s) sky p or/and Zak both arent lying.

So, the possible scenarios are as follows if we lynch one of sky p/oarfish/cf today

If cf is scum, he's caught, done, hes trying to fish more claims out for his buddy to kill

If oarfish is scum, he's using this mess to cover up for his inactivity day one and lousy claim

If sky p is scum, he's making fuss to misdirect us.

Regardless, whoever we lynch, we still have to concern ourselves with following up what to do after that, so let me throw this out there, Zak or/and shadoweh could still very well be lying. don't trust them entirely.

DNAbc · « **Reply #232 on:** June 21, 2015, 12:46:09 AM »

Also, ##Unvote

O4rfish · « **Reply #233 on:** June 21, 2015, 12:50:42 AM »

If the paint affects everyone who targeted and/or was targeted by Shadoweh during the whole night, then Zak must have been the redirector. If the paint only affected people who came into contact after the paint was applied, then Zak could not have been the redirector.

I will guess that Zak used an ability to redirect everything targeting himself onto Shadoweh. Skypal's paint hit Shadoweh, and Zak was painted because he targeted Shadoweh. This would also cause Zak to question why he was painted, since he redirected the paint away from himself.

The other way means the paint is even less useful than before, because it doesn't reveal people who act before paint is applied.

DNA, I think you are behind on reading. The paint only affects people within one degree of Shadoweh. If we assume everyone is telling the truth, Serela is within 2 degrees of Shadoweh not 1 degree.
This also means CF7 could have killed Dormio without Dormio turning yellow.
Shadoweh could not have killed Dormio.
Skypal or Zak could have killed Dormio, but only if you can kill while simultaneously using a different ability. It's not mentioned in the rules at all though.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #234 on:** June 21, 2015, 01:44:40 AM »

Geez, I wonder what action I could have possibly targetted CF7 with last night.

Why are people talking about a redirector?

Shadoweh · « **Reply #235 on:** June 21, 2015, 01:57:46 AM »

When someone gets roleblocked, the first thing they tend to do is claim it out loud as a warning for everyone else. Instead CF7 decided not to bother mentioning it even when he was claiming his doctor shot. Most people who have an action fail are also really mad when it happens and don't forget. so...

Also, my roleblock makes it sound like scum can kill and action at the same time.

DNAbc · « **Reply #236 on:** June 21, 2015, 02:06:29 AM »

Minipost before working

Oarfish, that's a conclusion drawn on alot of wild assumptions, precisely because we can't confirm who's lying, we need to reserve our suspicions and decide on a lynch less likely to backfire on us. Scum is always more informed and therefore is better equipped to misdirect towns lynch, and we don't want that to happen.

Motk maf has a long history of fretting unnecessarily over roleshens, that's a bad habit. Roleshens resolve themselves frankly, when people flip. It is a waste of time and effort to guess over it when we have less than a day left, I won't be able to stay till endphase since weekend ends tonight, so at the end I still believe we should lynch people based on their behavior.

Coincidentally, oarfishs many random theories and jumps in logical steps do seem more desperate rather than helpful and I am more inclined to agree with sky paladin that they are based on insider's knowledge instead of genuine deduction.

Consider my vote on oarfish or cf7 atm

Cut by two

DNAbc · « **Reply #237 on:** June 21, 2015, 02:07:48 AM »

Wait shadoweh are you claiming roleblocker

Serela · « **Reply #238 on:** June 21, 2015, 03:42:22 AM »

I think I recall SB explicitly saying the roles are rolled -before- alignments, so Shadoweh being a roleblocker wouldn't be a red flag. Anyway yes she pretty much did, and her reasoning against CF7 is a decent chunk of the same reasons I'm voting him.

I think people are talking about a redirector because SkyPal was redirected from Zakeri to you, Shadoweh. Or at least I think it was Zakeri, that isn't very important right now since whoever it was wasn't actually the target.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #239 on:** June 21, 2015, 06:19:40 AM »

Oh, okay. I feel like we could use SB thinking Sky P should be yellow to intuit who he messed up the actions on but that'd be unfair.
I feel like other people usually do when role shenans come up because every post about paint is unreadable to me.
My choice was entirely based on the mean things certain people have said about my mind control powers.