Puzzle & Dragons forever 17 - Star Vault Didn't Go So Well: I Was Nonplussed

[Chaore]

dammit why are the earth dragons always the hardest while the other attributes are pushovers especially light

like earth insect holy shit 4 mil hp and ohkos any regular team while this bee just sprays useless honey everywhere

he really just wanted to be a porn star but his family told him he had to stay in the family business

so he mixed the two

[Suikama]

he really just wanted to be a porn star but his family told him he had to stay in the family business

so he mixed the two

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[commandercool]

dammit why are the earth dragons always the hardest while the other attributes are pushovers especially light

like earth insect holy shit 4 mil hp and ohkos any regular team while this bee just sprays useless honey everywhere

I've had more True Endless Corridors runs cut short by Nazca once I get rolling than anything else. Gravity the floor before Beelzebub is dirty. Green dragons suck.

Although I don't know which Dragon Knight is the hard one, but it's not Ishtar. Ishtar is a megachump.

[hyorinryu]

I've had more True Endless Corridors runs cut short by Nazca once I get rolling than anything else. Gravity the floor before Beelzebub is dirty. Green dragons suck.

Although I don't know which Dragon Knight is the hard one, but it's not Ishtar. Ishtar is a megachump.

I know some people complained about Cleopatra but I 2/4/2ed through that pretty easily.

[Suikama]

well I guess I can just Ronia my way through Threedia for the stone so I can waste it on the rem

>Tama floor
>Binds my one poison

just fuck this game

bonus: used a ronia active, only got enough orbs for 2 red rows which did 250k on a +297 ronia, so like 50k too low to kill the tama, so if I had a proper active or any skyfalls I would have killed it

[trancehime]

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/559949239027912705

Sun Quan ults informations

B/G Sun Quan -
Gains a 2nd Blue Row, TPA, Finger
Same LS as normal Sun Quan

B/L Sun Quan -
No added awakenings
New LS: x1.25 HP and RCV to Healer types, x3.5 ATK to Healer types when above 50% HP

[Thaws]

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/559949239027912705

Sun Quan ults informations

B/G Sun Quan -
Gains a 2nd Blue Row, TPA, Finger
Same LS as normal Sun Quan

IdunIdun/ Reine,Andro,Andro,SQ / IdunIdun

11 ROWS BLUE HEALERS. I did it chaore ;w;
team has 3 fingers too, wat.

B/L Sun Quan -
No added awakenings
New LS: x1.25 HP and RCV to Healer types, x3.5 ATK to Healer types when above 50% HP

1.25x is not confirmed, right.
They won't do this to LMeta, right. :ohdear:

[trancehime]

1.25x is not confirmed, right.
They won't do this to LMeta, right. :ohdear:

I won't abandon my sweet angel regardless.

[Ghaleon]

So uhh. on a whim I clicked this page to see if I'm still listed and I am... I haven't touched this game in ages though, and have no intention to do so again. Selling accounts is illegal, and though I've wanted to I just...I can't!, and it's been so long that I'm not familiar if "giving" an account is difficult to justify too... is it? If it's ok someone want mine? I had...stuff... notable catches I recall were super hera, super zeus, lucifer, 2 haku's, venus, hades, I THINK a max skill ecchi-nida, and another that was not skilled but reasonably leveled...duh.. Maybe a max skill siren...It's been a really long time. But if giving away account info isn't frowned upon here (I'll do wherever one of the staff on this thread says is ok), anyone who goes ape over mah lucifer/haku's/whatever may have it I guess. Unless they have like 5 posts on the forum or something.

[Mr. Sacchi]

So guys, remember the pesky "[Type] only" or "[Element] only" restrictions on certain dungeons?

yeah they're gonna start letting people use sub-attributes and sub-types on these things. So building teams for Noah, Guan Yinping, Zhang Fei, Dragon Zombie, and the element restricted technicals has just become a lot easier.

In fact, I think they just removed pretty much all the challenge in making teams for these things, lol.

[trancehime]

Version 7.6 details up and are available

1) There are icon indicators for materials when you attempt the ultimate evolution
2) Sub-type and sub-attributes are now also allowed for conditional dungeons
3) EC and TEC are now classified under one tab/dungeon
4) You may see your skill cooldowns when you are dead

http://mobile.gungho.jp/news/pad/150127_sinka.html

evo requirements for SQ

[Bio]

2) Sub-type and sub-attributes are now also allowed for conditional dungeons

And all difficulty has now been removed.

[commandercool]

Wow, ultimate Sun Quan is surprisingly close to my guess/best case scenario. I wanted a skillboost over a finger, but obviously I'll happily take this. That was an insane pipe dream anyway. And since he goes on my Kali team anyway I can definitely get use out of the finger.

I won't abandon my sweet angel regardless.

For what it's worth, when I use a Metatron friend leader right now I'm doing so because I either want the bind resists+skill or I want the skillboosts. I have never run her for her leader skill and will continue to not do so. In that regard, Sun Quan does not compete for usage with her. He maybe competes with I&I a bit, but even there I probably don't use him as a leader.

In fact, I think they just removed pretty much all the challenge in making teams for these things, lol.

Yeah...

I have various thoughts on this, but given that I just had an argument with someone over this and I should leave for work soon I'll leave it at "Yeah...".

[commandercool]

Christ, Izanami is really, really difficult now (up from just "really difficult"). I don't think I can farm this anywhere near reliably. We're still on for that skillup dungeon, right Gungho? Because I still need a lot of skillups and I don't think they're coming from here.

By the way, do we know what the white food dragon skills up? Is it white Izanami? Or maybe Zeus or Fagan/Sakuya?

[trancehime]

By the way, do we know what the white food dragon skills up? Is it white Izanami? Or maybe Zeus or Fagan/Sakuya?

He skills up Mephisto. He was the 2nd food dragon in the rotation.  We're on the 4th in Japan. :V

For what it's worth, when I use a Metatron friend leader right now I'm doing so because I either want the bind resists+skill or I want the skillboosts. I have never run her for her leader skill and will continue to not do so. In that regard, Sun Quan does not compete for usage with her. He maybe competes with I&I a bit, but even there I probably don't use him as a leader.

Uh Sun Quan is basically the nail in the coffin for light healers as a team archetype. There is no more reason to run light healers anymore, Blue is the official healer color now. Thanks for proving my point. I run Light Metatron as a leader because I literally do not have any better healer leaders.

[Chaore]

IdunIdun/ Reine,Andro,Andro,SQ / IdunIdun

11 ROWS BLUE HEALERS. I did it chaore ;w;
team has 3 fingers too, wat.

paru paru

That's seriously significantly better than my Shiva team to boot :v

wtb> huge shiva buffs


The SQ ult is really pretty strong too. I think he's the strongest double row enhance now. Just slightly less world ending then Liu Bei.

I'm not sure if I'd feel a mix of LS SQ and I&I leads though, mixed conditionals are weird and you drop a row even if you open a space for another Orb Change.

[trancehime]

paru paru

That's seriously significantly better than my Shiva team to boot :v

wtb> huge shiva buffs

eh, surely cao cao will receive the same treatment.

[Chaore]

eh, surely cao cao will receive the same treatment.

That'd... actually be a very interesting consideration. He's a bit long, but the delay is pretty handy.

...i'd need to roll and skill one up though. (and I still want a femme come the hell on you gold piece of shit-)

[Suikama]

welp so the actual hardest part of izanami is the fact that light iza is so weak. I keep bursting her because she keeps changing my orbs to water which gives me massive damage so I cant stall out the skill bind >_>


in retrospect if I just used a neptune ally then the final boss would be pretty much trivialized but eh Isis lyfe

[commandercool]

Mephisto: Oh right, I did know that. That's pretty cool.

Healers: Well, sort of. Light healers haven't gotten any worse, they continue to have the same problems they've been having (lack of rows). And technically they retain their main strength, which is farmability of subs. But given optimal conditions that's not a very cool strength. I agree that blue seems to have become the main healer color. White needs their versions of I&I, Sun Quan, and Andromeda. But that's been an ongoing problem. Light Metatron still has a significant niche, but it doesn't have much to do with beinga light healer. And UMeta exists...

Weak Izanami: Agreed. She actively tries to die. Plus her low-health stuff is killer if you get unlucky and she eats all the colors you attack with.

[OverlordChirei]

Weak Izanami: Agreed. She actively tries to die. Plus her low-health stuff is killer if you get unlucky and she eats all the colors you attack with.

My one run of Iza Mythical she suicided herself on me by flooding light orbs - I have no idea how to get around that except wait until Ult Liu Bei comes around, but then Diza will get harder.

[commandercool]

What do you think of Athena in Izanami mythical? The biggest hurdles seem to be black Kagu and the skillbind (duh). Black Kagu is almost an insta-loss because Athena can't really come back from his gravity. The skillbind might not be a total deal breaker since light Izanami can feed you orbs and dark Izanami takes double damage, but still, rough.

[OverlordChirei]

What do you think of Athena in Izanami mythical? The biggest hurdles seem to be black Kagu and the skillbind (duh). Black Kagu is almost an insta-loss because Athena can't really come back from his gravity. The skillbind might not be a total deal breaker since light Izanami can feed you orbs and dark Izanami takes double damage, but still, rough.

Your consistency would probably down the toilet but you can do it if you get extremely lucky with skyfalls. You literally have almost no room for error/many turns on the later waves.

[Suikama]

Or maybe you could run Echidna + Godin for healing? It's not like you can use any actives after hino anyways

[Thaws]

They made light healers the 2 TPA team though
Recently they got another great double TPA in the form of lococo but collab gold egg ew
2TPA light healers are like more REM heavy than blue healers

The only way I know how to deal with light iza is put Indra in and try to get 100% skill bind resist :v

[commandercool]

Gabriel doesn't do an awful job of handling white 'Nami wctually. His weak damage means you can take your time killing her, and he has at least some lock resist anyway. The problem is that the first floor is very rough for him. You kind of need a good board, even with Valk up early. Takes more than one row to kill the oni, although I'm not sure what the minimum you can use actually is. So that's not very consistent either.

[Suikama]

lol using awoken neptune + Isis

the opening 'ohko' combo barely scratches me :getdown:


...FUCK the whole thing was so easy but then I forgot I no longer resist Izanami once she's at 50% and died argggg

[commandercool]

I swear this morning I was just a little short of being able to plausibly take out the first floor of Izanami with my Gabriel team, but now I can barely scratch them even with rows or prongs. I must've gotten some crazy skyfalls and just forgotten about it. Well that sucks. I still need one more black Izanami before I can stop running this fucking mess. I'd try Kali, but she can probably handle the first floor even less. Ugh.

[Suikama]

Kali shouldn't be too hard since you get two turns to deal 600k which isn't that much for Kali. You can take a picture of your initial board right as you enter and then have two full turns to burst, or if you can't activate on the first board, swipe away the darkness while clearing all the green orbs so you can try to burst on the next turn.

[commandercool]

I've tried to do the "take a picture and use that to combo" thing before and it doesn't work well for me. I just lose track of where everything is too quickly. I suppose I can clear the darkness while eliminating the green and hope everything goes okay though. No reason that shouldn't work unless I get badly orbtrolled, but it's better to rely on that than on getting very lucky with Gabriel. There are a lot of enemies who constantly orbchange in this dungeon which makes Kali's life tough, but well-played delays and Kali actives should get me through that. My main concern at that point is just the general weakness and underleveled-ness of my subs. Given that I want these Izanamis for use as Kali subs the team is still pretty far off. Sounds better than continuously bashing into it with Gabe though (I think I've got two clears out of six today, and most of my deaths were on Legend...).