Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!

[ILikeBulletZ]

It only works on lasers.

Oh yeah, that's what I read.


Well... so its all about the Camera or the Cursed Doll...

Cursed Doll FTW- its OP and its just better than the Camera, no matter how you spin it. Except on very certain scenes... you should ALMOST ALWAYS use the Cursed Doll Sub if you are going to No Item scenes!

[Mr Jovial]

Well... so its all about the Camera or the Cursed Doll...

Cursed Doll FTW- its OP and its just better than the Camera, no matter how you spin it. Except on very certain scenes... you should ALMOST ALWAYS use the Cursed Doll Sub if you are going to No Item scenes!

Personally, I still find that just making your visible hitbox smaller (ie using Yin-Yang Orb sub) is still useful in a handful of situations. I used it to no-item 10-5 because why would you even consider using Camera and Cursed Doll doesn't actually reduce the number of waves you need to survive. I guess 8-4 may also benefit from it? Either way, there's hardly any use for it, but it still is useful.

[ILikeBulletZ]

Personally, I still find that just making your visible hitbox smaller (ie using Yin-Yang Orb sub) is still useful in a handful of situations. I used it to no-item 10-5 because why would you even consider using Camera and Cursed Doll doesn't actually reduce the number of waves you need to survive. I guess 8-4 may also benefit from it? Either way, there's hardly any use for it, but it still is useful.

I am convinced the cursed doll will nearly ALWAYS reduce the amount of time it takes to cap a spellcard...

I am pretty sure if it wasn't for the cursed doll, my capture of 10-5 would be a fail instead. You can abuse the additional shots in many ways, even in that spell card!!!


Tell me how it is possible to end 10-5 before Yukari does the 2nd phase twice without the Cursed doll! Because it IS possible to do just that with the dolls help!

[Mr Jovial]

I don't know where to upload ISC replays :S (Yukari has pixels of health left if you look closely)

Admittedly, it does require using Seija's basic shot in quite a specific way. You pretty much have to hit with 3 streams almost all the time. The attack ends just as the 2nd phase bullets finish spawning, assuming you go off centre for the 4th phase and stay near the centre on the other phases. You also have to shotgun a little bit on both 1st phases. Do all that (not difficult in reality) and you end with a bit of time to spare. It also helps if you shotgun the start of the 2nd phase since it's usually possible to charge forward during the 1st phase (as the bullets are passing you).

In all honesty, in the ~85 clears it took me to no-item, I didn't deal enough damage to end that 2nd phase once or twice. Neither of those would've no-item'd though. I would've ended the attack before then if I had used Cursed Doll (probably) but since it still usually ends during that 2nd phase, I didn't see much point to using Cursed Doll.

[Star King]

Admittedly, it does require using Seija's basic shot in quite a specific way. You pretty much have to hit with 3 streams almost all the time. The attack ends just as the 2nd phase bullets finish spawning, assuming you go off centre for the 4th phase and stay near the centre on the other phases. You also have to shotgun a little bit on both 1st phases. Do all that (not difficult in reality) and you end with a bit of time to spare. It also helps if you shotgun the start of the 2nd phase since it's usually possible to charge forward during the 1st phase (as the bullets are passing you).

In all honesty, in the ~85 attempts it took me to no-item, I didn't deal enough damage to end that 2nd phase once or twice.

Sounds like a hassle that's not worth forgoing Cursed Doll for. Especially since I still see no apparent reason to use Ying Yang Orb. I mean, how would a slightly smaller hitbox image help? Most decently experienced people will know where their hitbox is anyway.

It sounds like you cleared with no sub helping you and so say there's "not much point to using Cursed Doll" when you would've had an easier time with it.

[Mr Jovial]

Sounds like a hassle that's not worth forgoing Cursed Doll for. Especially since I still see no apparent reason to use Ying Yang Orb. I mean, how would a slightly smaller hitbox image help? Most decently experienced people will know where their hitbox is anyway.

It sounds like you cleared with no sub helping you and so say there's "not much point to using Cursed Doll" when you would've had an easier time with it.

It's not as much as a hassle as it sounds, since there's a lot of times when you're just sat there waiting for the pattern to form. I just gave Cursed Doll a try on 10-5 and I fail to see how it's actually useful. Sure, you get a little bit of extra damage from the backwards shotgun at the start, but it doesn't reach Yukari on the 4th phase and you're in the centre anyway for the other phases. Looking at Jaimers' (oh crap where does the apostrophe go :<) attempt at it, I actually finish slightly earlier without the item. Am I just missing something? Since it looks like you only get extra damage from the backwards shotgun and a bit more flexibility on the 2nd phase (by this I mean you can go further off centre without losing as much damage). Now that you point it out, I kind of feel like it hardly matters what you use, since either way it has a marginal effect...Please show me the error of my ways I guess :V (ie point out my supreme idiocy)

[ILikeBulletZ]

It's not as much as a hassle as it sounds, since there's a lot of times when you're just sat there waiting for the pattern to form. I just gave Cursed Doll a try on 10-5 and I fail to see how it's actually useful. Sure, you get a little bit of extra damage from the backwards shotgun at the start, but it doesn't reach Yukari on the 4th phase and you're in the centre anyway for the other phases. Looking at Jaimers' (oh crap where does the apostrophe go :<) attempt at it, I actually finish slightly earlier without the item. Am I just missing something? Since it looks like you only get extra damage from the backwards shotgun and a bit more flexibility on the 2nd phase (by this I mean you can go further off centre without losing as much damage). Now that you point it out, I kind of feel like it hardly matters what you use, since either way it has a marginal effect...Please show me the error of my ways I guess :V (ie point out my supreme idiocy)

Alright, IIRC, The cursed doll shot only allows you to get 2 shots to the boss if you are in the very center or in an awkward position, while if you had the normal shot, you would get 3 in instead of just 2...


Also, you finished the attack slightly sooner than me Even though I was using the Doll Shot Just look at this:



I have no idea how but apparently in this case normal shot wins!...Strange.

Also LOL 85 attempts. I had nearly 1K on this one (The third scene with the most attempts in the whole game!).

[Mr Jovial]

Also LOL 85 attempts. I had nearly 1K on this one (The third scene with the most attempts in the whole game!).

Oh, whoops, my bad. I actually have 281 attempts of that attack and I did originally type "~280 attempts" but then I realised that the number of clears was more important since I was comparing it to the number of attempts that didn't deal enough damage to end before the 2nd 2nd phase (since most attempts I restarted before getting that far). In reality, it was 85 clears not attempts  :ohdear:. Fixed previous post too.

[Monothemeerp]

I have no idea how this happened but it happened. I should've lost the run at Raiko's timeout but SakuyaA's bomb is... really good. I value it a lot more now.

(Granted this run really WAS with sakuyaA but come on, first extra clear! wooo)

[?q]

Reactivate majestical imperial Extra Mode ~ Kuroji Team, 309 Million

Glad to be done with that.  Too many cheesy luck-based attacks in the lategame.

[t_prinny]

Mystic Square Mima Lunatic 1cc

Got around to clearing MS on lunatic on a random urge to play it. Sort of ended up figuring out how to score a bit. I'm thinking I've been playing MS lunatic for about 1.5 weeks, but that could actually be how long I have been playing MS recently (focused on normal and worked on extra for a bit). Might have been roughly a week of learning lunatic, I think. I know I was switching between Reimu and Mima when deciding who would be a better pick for dealing with the mess in stage 4 and 5. Decided Mima's speed was more beneficial than Reimu's homing.

I'll post this in the high score thread in the morning along with some other scores I have gotten.

[Karisa]

If you didn't know, MS is an extremely surival-oriented scoring system. Boss cancels and grazing still help, but survival and item collection make up the majority of the points-- a single death can make it nearly impossible to max the dream bonus again, especially somewhere like stage 5.

[Baron_Blade]

Hoooooooooly shit I just got a PT Standard Unseen clear!  I'm so frickin excited to have this off my chest! But now it's time for Advanced mode...  :ohdear:

[?q]

Hoooooooooly shit I just got a PT Standard Unseen clear!  I'm so frickin excited to have this off my chest! But now it's time for Advanced mode...  :ohdear:

For a first clear, that was great.  You were able to stay afloat really well in Unseens 1 and 3.  I think you tried to focus a little too much on grazing in the early stage routes, but you were able to do really well with it in Unseen 3, so etc.

It looks like you don't have Unseen 2 or Unseen 3 unlocked for practice.  If you like, I can help with that.

Zone Advanced has a lot of attacks that will nail you the first time simply because you don't see them coming.  You may want to watch a video (or don't, if you enjoy that sort of thing).  It is overall more difficult, though, so be prepared for that.

Also, are you a Vengeful Mad Scientist, a Maniacal Death Ray Wielder, or an Evolved Madman?

[Baron_Blade]

For a first clear, that was great.  You were able to stay afloat really well in Unseens 1 and 3.  I think you tried to focus a little too much on grazing in the early stage routes, but you were able to do really well with it in Unseen 3, so etc.

It looks like you don't have Unseen 2 or Unseen 3 unlocked for practice.  If you like, I can help with that.

Zone Advanced has a lot of attacks that will nail you the first time simply because you don't see them coming.  You may want to watch a video (or don't, if you enjoy that sort of thing).  It is overall more difficult, though, so be prepared for that.

Also, are you a Vengeful Mad Scientist, a Maniacal Death Ray Wielder, or an Evolved Madman?

I've actually played Advanced a few times, so I know a lot of the bs attacks, but I'm just not looking forward to having to grind out the unseen stages more than anything. As for your question, I have no idea what you mean.

[?q]

I've actually played Advanced a few times, so I know a lot of the bs attacks, but I'm just not looking forward to having to grind out the unseen stages more than anything. As for your question, I have no idea what you mean.

Unseen 2 is actually pretty easy once you're comfortable with the hyper system and know what to expect.  The other two, yeah, fun times.  Area 5 is pretty obnoxious as well, if you want to go that route.

The question was based on your screen name; those are three of the five subtitles for Baron Blade's villain cards.

[Baron_Blade]

Unseen 2 is actually pretty easy once you're comfortable with the hyper system and know what to expect.  The other two, yeah, fun times.  Area 5 is pretty obnoxious as well, if you want to go that route.

The question was based on your screen name; those are three of the five subtitles for Baron Blade's villain cards.

Oh. I didn't even know my name was a reference to whatever that is; I kinda made it up one day. Anyways, thanks for the advice/encouragement! 

[ARF]

I've been trying to time out 11-4 no photo on and off for a while now, my best is about 50 seconds left

And yesterday I did it! No photo, no double focus! I was experimenting with many different strategies, mostly involving dodging approach, but also with switching to numpad for input, for the perfect diagonals (which did work, but it felt awkward, and a little cheaty, so I stopped). And now, after 200 seconds and 39(?) pixel approximate dodges, I claim victory!

[MrL1193]

SA Lunatic 1cc (Reimu C)

After getting distracted by other things in life for some weeks, I finally got back to working on this a couple days ago and eventually got this run. Stage 2 was a train wreck, with not one but two easily preventable deaths, as well as my complete failure to remember how to move at the start of Grandpa Hanasaka. I would have restarted if not for the fact that I was already thoroughly sick of Stage 1. In the end, though, Stages 4 and 6 went surprisingly well (including a 0 power capture of Terrifying Hypnotism) and I finished with a stock of 2 extra lives. The only thing I'm really disappointed about is that I failed Subterranean Sun by ramming straight into a red bullet just a few seconds before it ended, but I'm pretty happy with how the second half went overall and I'm just glad to have 1cc'ed another game on Lunatic (only my second so far--the other was PCB).

Also, thank you to everyone who gave me advice on how to handle Orin's Stage 6 midboss spell earlier.

[ILikeBulletZ]

From PCB Lunatic to SA Lunatic?...


How do you exactly reached to the conclusion you wanted to do these in no order? O_o

Its cool. But I am just wondering why would someone do these in apparently no order...

Next thing I know, someone somewhere decides to go clear UFO 1cc Lunatic (Hardest one) right after doing a PCB 1cc Lunatic (Easiest one).

Unless, of course, you just simply liked those game more than the others.


Completly unrelated: Yay I managed to make an entire post with no grammar errors! LOL.

[Karisa]

I think there was someone once who started playing Touhou and decided to only play UFO Lunatic, nothing else, and eventually succeeded in a 1cc after quite a long time. I forgot who though.

[MrL1193]

Well, it's not like I had many other choices. I only own three of the games at the moment--PCB (my first) and IN and SA (which I got together). Between IN and SA, I was more interested in the latter, so that's the one I chose to work on. In the end, I feel that while SA does punish you more for not knowing what's coming, once you've memorized everything you need to, the execution of the route isn't really more difficult. If you manage your resources well, you'll do just fine.

On that note, I remember that someone once posted a replay here that involved intentionally bombing and/or dying to almost every attack in the game and still getting the Lunatic 1cc. Bombing like a madman is indeed a viable option with Reimu C and Reimu A.

Completly unrelated: Yay I managed to make an entire post with no grammar errors! LOL.

Er, I'm not sure why you're bringing that up, but were you referring to that post? Because I couldn't help noticing quite a few errors...

[Karisa]

I've heard it's possible with ReimuC's bomb's power.

I wonder how high of an fps the game could be cleared with that strategy...

[pokemon123]

holy shit never thought it would be ufo I would 1cc next!

backstory:this game made me rage more than ever.

[Limian]

MoF hard no bombs attempt turned into the most tragicomical run ever

Didn't even reach VoWG because I choked super hard at the end but I'm posting it here anyway cause it was just too great (also perfect Aya and such)

[Baron_Blade]

PT Advanced clear! This was just out of nowhere and I'm happy to be done with this route! But now I have to practice Advanced unseen 1.  :qq:

[Elysia]

So I just perfected Utsuho in Phantasmagoria Trues.

This is probably my first real achievement since getting back into playing these games a couple weeks back, and WOW I forgot how amazing it feels when you pull something like this off.

[Karisa]

PoDD Lunatic 1cc.

I think a lot of this was luck with Reimu's orbs (first-round win on both Mima and Yumemi?), but still, it's PoDD Lunatic.

[t_prinny]

Random no-focus PCB lunatic (ReimuB)

Pretty rough run filled with mistakes and me breaking borders for survival. Took minimal practice since this was a random attempt just to see if I can pull it off. I played lunatic enough times to get an idea on how I can safely deal with some of the patterns unfocused. Was worried if I did hit shift while doing this, but I don't think I did when I watched the run (can't be too sure...). That being said, I still had a lot of dumb moments in this run (pretty normal for me to have dumb moments). Had no lives left, no bombs left, and I know I died with bombs in stock.

Maybe I will record this later.

[ふねん1]

IN Lunatic no-bombs 1cc!

Another challenge down. I caught myself restarting after dying early a couple times, so the next run I just went for it, nonstop. Not pretty, obviously, but that doesn't matter. Glad to finally have this completed.