Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: GAME OVER, ROLES WIN!

[UncertainJakutten]

The Ninth "Stone Ocean" Vote Count

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Lady LambdaDelta (0)
Omba (0)
Zakeri (0)
ActionDan (1): Edible
PX (0)
capt.h (4): Serpentarius, Dormio, Affinity, Schezo
Schezo (3): Capt. h, Kitten4U, Shadoweh
Serpentarius (0)
Kitten4U (0)
Shadoweh (2): ActionDan, Zakeri
Dormio (2): LLD, PX
Affinity (0)
Edible (1): Omba

Not Voting (0)

capt.h. is at L-3
With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch
Game Day Three Ends at 1:00 AM, EDT, Friday

[capt. h]

Schezo's unvote of Omba is not simply scummy because he waited twenty hours to do it. Schezo keeps citing the post Omba made immediately after his post. I haven't seen any suspicion of Omba after Schezo's unvote, which I assume means Schezo is giving Omba a clear. So Omba immediately cleared all of Schezo's suspicions, but Schezo waited until he had an easy wagon to hop onto to move his vote.

Schezo, you agree with me about many of Omba's points being null in your unvote of Omba:

Thank you Omba for clearing up some things for me.  I feel better about you, enough to
##Unvote:
however, it would be nice to hear some more non null tell things from you.

Furthermore, your case for going after LLD for lurking is a rehash of points I made about LLD in response to Affinity.



Omba, I cannot prove that I can stop a lynch without stopping a lynch.

What I find strange about your vote on Edible is that you're voting Edible for using a scum slip as an excuse to vote for Dan, who you thought was scummy at the beginning of the day with your vote. It's a complete 180 from your previous vote, and I assume it means you now have a strong town read on Dan.


Shadoweh - I cannot pardon myself, unfortunately.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

You are getting off of someone who, in your own words, MUST BE SCUM

I no longer think Omba is the most likely scum.

##Unvote.
##Vote: Schezo

So, uh, Kitten. What do you think about that, then?
Personally, I think it's horrible.
Also, in my opinion, in regards to capt. h's roleclaim, I think the best course of action would be to wait 7 hours for capt. h to build up his 30th point, have him use the ability on himself and then lynch him.
Because his ability can make someone permanently unlynchable, and I don't think he's really telling the truth about it.
That's just my take on his roleclaim, though.
Cut
So apparently he can't pardon himself, which makes the only way to prove his ability be lynching whoever he chooses.
Uh, yeah.

Re: Misrep (ActionDan),
Uh, how was that a misrep?
I really don't know. I did not say that you thought I was scum, I was asking for clarification on where you thought the shooting in the barrel thing would be a better idea than lynching the three people you said you thought were scum at the time.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Wait.
Shit.
I cannot read in the morning.
I somehow missed the "no" in capt. h's post.
BRB killing myself.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Okay.
So.
capt. h's claim seems somewhat more believable now.
I find it a bit funny how capt. h seems to be jumping to the conclusion that, if somebody unvotes, then they're giving the person they unvoted a full clear?
And you accuse me of misrepresenting people?
Speaking of which, I'm still waiting to hear from you which parts of my posts were misreps.
Because, do you know what I think?
I think you just took that point from PX without giving it a second thought in order to try to defend yourself whilst making me look worse, or something.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

CONTINUED INABILITY TO READ.
So apparently it's the unvote combined with the lack of case following on Omba that makes you think that Schezo is giving Omba a full clear.
I think you're far to hasty in jumping to conclusions and trying to push whatever lynch you're going for.
Because, following that logic, I have also given LSLD a full clear. Which is far from the truth.

[Kitten4u]

So apparently he can't pardon himself, which makes the only way to prove his ability be lynching whoever he chooses.

No, it's whoever we choose.  If he refuses to show us his power we lynch him for being lying scum.  He is not in any position to refuse.

As for your other thing, I think you answered that yourself.

[capt. h]

Okay.
So.
capt. h's claim seems somewhat more believable now.
I find it a bit funny how capt. h seems to be jumping to the conclusion that, if somebody unvotes, then they're giving the person they unvoted a full clear?
And you accuse me of misrepresenting people?
Speaking of which, I'm still waiting to hear from you which parts of my posts were misreps.
Because, do you know what I think?
I think you just took that point from PX without giving it a second thought in order to try to defend yourself whilst making me look worse, or something.

The part where you quoted me out of context, here.

The full quote was:

I don't think Dan v. K4U is town v. town, and I think Dan is likely to be scum as a result. However, the way you [Omba] post null reads on the actions of a lot of other players and not really commit to any opinions on them is worse.

but you cut it down to

I don't think Dan v. K4U is town v. town, and I think Dan is likely to be scum as a result.

That is a misrepresentation of me, because it's only taking half of my point and using it to cast doubt on me, rather than taking the whole quote as it is. Town shouldn't have to misquote or selectively quote in order to provide evidence, and it makes you look suspicious.

[ActionDan]

FFFFF DURRRRRMIOOOO!

I cannot read in the morning.

 
Getting my eye laser to GAUGE YOUR EYEBALLS  help you read.

This will be my last post for a while (hopefully I can tune in before the day ends since town should have a lynch around that time)

But I want to do Dormio a public service.

Re: misrep (Dormio)

Uh, how was that a misrep?
I really don't know. I did not say that you thought I was scum, I was asking for clarification on where you thought the shooting in the barrel thing would be a better idea than lynching the three people you said you thought were scum at the time.

You said the following Dormio:

I also have to wonder with your "Shadoweh, Omba, and capt. h are scum, and we should turkey shoot Dormio because" what your priorities are.

I've clarified and clarified, what do you not get by now??  I think Shadoweh is scum, capt. h. is likely scum, Omba is town, and Dormio is likely town.
ITS ALL RIGHT HERE:
RIGHT HERE, CLICK RIGHT HERE!

TO CLAIM YOUR SUPER EXCLUSIVE PRIZE FOR BEING THE 1 MILLIONTH VIEWER

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[Omba]

Omba, I cannot prove that I can stop a lynch without stopping a lynch.

Hm ok. If you do stop a lynch, does it count as a lynch (but nothing happens), or does just nothing happen? I.e., if scum do get a kill for each lynch we do, would a stopped lynch give them a free kill?
Anyway, I'm inclined to believe your claim.

What I find strange about your vote on Edible is that you're voting Edible for using a scum slip as an excuse to vote for Dan, who you thought was scummy at the beginning of the day with your vote. It's a complete 180 from your previous vote, and I assume it means you now have a strong town read on Dan.

I do have a town read on Dan, but that town read and my reaction to Edible's vote are seperate. As far as I can tell, Edible's whole reason for voting Dan is that supposed slip-up. Regardless of who that case is, I'd attack him for it, even if I personally thought his target was scum for different reasons than the slip-up. A bad case is a bad case regardless of whom it's targeting; especially if it's a bad case used for jumping a wagon.

cut cut (oh yes even more catching up to do :V)

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I WOKE UP LESS THAN AN HOUR AGO AND THINGS MAKE SENSE IN MY HEAD WHEN I'M WRITING THEM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I WAS ALL CONFUSED LIKE BY THE TURKEY SHOOTING THING.
But, okay, sorry about that. I just wanted clarification on that.

Re: Misrep (capt. h),
Huh, what? I was sure I had the full sentence in there. Wired.
SHIT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE FINALS TO SIT AAAAAAAAAAA.
Either way, the point still stands. You kept calling Omba scummy, but did nothing with it, only restating your (old) case when you were questioned about Omba.
And then you'd go build cases on people that aren't Omba whilst voting Omba, ask people that aren't Omba questions whilst voting Omba, and generally try to apply pressure to people that aren't Omba whilst voting Omba.


Pffffft, Pescar. :V

[capt. h]

Hm ok. If you do stop a lynch, does it count as a lynch (but nothing happens), or does just nothing happen? I.e., if scum do get a kill for each lynch we do, would a stopped lynch give them a free kill?

When a majority vote is reached, the vote count will be reset, and you will be informed that the player was pardoned. You will not be informed about who pardoned the player, and the day will not end. I do not know anything about when scum gets to kill, and when I asked UK she refused to answer.

[Lexicat]

I will post when I get home. Been out all day, and been busy for a while now....
 
Sorry about that >.<

[Lexicat]

Back Now. Reading.

[PX]

- Why the miller claim seems reasonable to you, especially in the way LLD used it as a trap?
- Do you agree with the case on capt.h and do you think he is town or scum?
- If Dormio misrepresented capt.h in the posts that he selectively quoted and what the misrepresentation was in your opinion?
- What about Dan's vote absolved him of pushing a mod lynch?
- What about Affinity's clear logical points are towny? Do you agree with any of them? I'm ignoring that you brought up his mis-spelling because that's just silly.

-Agree, he can die with Dormio. Just don't like how Schezo's and Dormio's votes came.
-Dormio quoted "I think Dan is likely to be scum", removing almost everything relevant to the post in order to put up a case as Capt. Kiro voting someone else other than a person he found scum. However, here is the full quote.

Omba, "null" is an excuse not to give out reads. It means you feel no differently about the players in question after their exchange. In Dan v. K4U, K4U attacked Dan for a vote on the mod (which PX corrected me as "not a vote", but K4U didn't know it when she began her attack), attacked Dan for defending Affinity, and admitted to playing completely differently than she usually would play. Meanwhile, Dan declared his vote for the mod as serious and offered fairly wishy-washy opinions on K4U. I don't think Dan v. K4U is town v. town, and I think Dan is likely to be scum as a result. However, the way you post null reads on the actions of a lot of other players and not really commit to any opinions on them is worse.

Yeah, I think he states he finds Omba worse? Even you didn't like Omba's nullreads at that point in time.
-His case is not good now reading at it, and he hasn't really convinced me on it. However, he's not trying to force a vote so he's looking better than Dormio, but not much townie.
-Clear scumhunting, honest scumhunting, logical points, classic Affinity

:V 7 Cuts

[PX]

As for our other townies:  I think Omba is more than not town.  This is result from clear and town like opinions and stances.

Yeah, I had no idea what the hell you meant by that, and I'm sure Dormio didn't either. It looks more like you're saying he's not town, and more than that obviously means scum :V

[Lexicat]

Ok, here's the short version of my current analysis.
 
Capt.h and Schezo both need death. Especially if one of them flips scum. They are distancing hard core, but doing a poor job of it. (See: Schezo AND Capt.H's attempt to start a wagon on me to diffuse the capt.h wagon.)
 
Schezo's vote for me, then subsequent claim that "he still wanted capt.h dead" reads like he was still trying to bus his partner, but he was hoping to get a town mislynch (me) first today, and then continue his bus of capt.h tomorrow.
 
His question to me about "Why would scum attack millers?" is something I HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED. His insistance on me being scum because "I have not answered him" is completely scum motivated.
 
People pushing a wagon on me because I am "lurking scum" are gaining +1 scum points, just for the fact that it's TOTALLY PLAUSIBLE that scum would come out day 1 like I have, draw attention to them selves... and then try to lurk2victory IN THE SAME DAY. Yeah, no, that's not even thinkable. That's scum logic at its best.
 
When I'm not quite so... tied up.... I'll make a proper case on Schezo and Capt.h. Trust me, I have been watching them both.
 
For now though, Unvote; ##Vote: Schezo
 
Schezo > Capt.h because I am more sure of that scum read currently.
 
Cases to follow in... due time. :3

[Kitten4u]

Okay, so I thought about things for a while.  Only thing that's changed is that capth's claim has gone from really easily confirmable to confirmable, but with issues.  I still don't think this is a scum claim though, so he's town.  I'm just not all gung-ho about him confirming it like I was before.

[Kitten4u]

Actually, I lied.

Schezo's vote for me, then subsequent claim that "he still wanted capt.h dead" reads like he was still trying to bus his partner,

You think so?  The vote read like it was trying to appease Shadoweh and I to me.  Though, I suppose that's much more apparent in his unvote than his vote.

[Kitten4u]

EBWOP: Hurr, I didn't actually say anything about not having anything else to comment on in that first post.  Disregard that "actually, I lied"

YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO GET ANOTHER VOTECOUNT, AREN'T YOU!

[Shadoweh]

My case on Shadoweh is not hard to follow.  It involves a disconnect in thought processes between her initial vote post and her later posts claiming different reasons for why she voted me earlier.  This kind of thinking I don't find to be town-motivated.  Shadoweh not taking ideas from Omba 10 min after Omba posted is inconsequential to the fact that she didn't mention that "each lynch gives scum a night kill" was one of the reasons she voted for me until significantly later. 

It is actually kind of hard to follow because I can't see where I did this. I was very clearly upset with you for wanting to lynch in 24 hours in the first place. Then you explained to me you didn't just want to lynch in 24 hours, you wanted to lynch a non-player, hence my flip-out on you. You're effectively saying there's a disconnect in my thinking because I didn't explain why I thought it was a bad idea until I realized what exactly you wanted to pull. I also never claimed to have changed my initial reasoning and if this actually happened I'd like to see it.

In fact, you asked me If your not voting Kitten was my only reason for not voting you, and I answered you that it wasn't my only reason, before Omba said anything. I think you should take a hard look at your case if you want to keep pushing this.

Also, your comment on capt.h's claim is weird. How is Governor who makes someone immune to being lynched forever sound like vanilla townie to you? Do you believe the claim or not?

Hey Dan, other people, wouldn't it be cool if we actually lynched someone today like we said we were going to? I like how many other people have changed their vote to someone they'd stated suspicion of that's actually a wagon, Re: NONE OF YOU. Except LLD. Who wants to lynch both wagons as scum/scum. Okay.. Anyways Schezo's replies look to me like scum giving a limp wristed flail in our direction. "No stoooop iiitt!" I expected a little more emotion out of you Schezzy. Please die easy! :yukkuri:

[Shadoweh]

capt.h

capt.h

capt.h

Wow you're just a ragetunnelopolis today aren't you? Dormio, can you name anything capt.h has done so far that's been good in your opinion? Also, can you name at least three other players that you would be willing to vote as scum if capt.h magically vanished and why? You literally have had no opinion but how everything capt.h does is THE DEVIL!

[Omba]

I'm not in any state to make cases, but

##Vote: Schezo
(L-2)

I won't want capt. h dead unless he fails to proof his role. Would like to see Schezo's claim now. And yes, that means I think he looks scummy.

[Shadoweh]

Omba, you don't have to make a huge case, but you should at least tell us what changed your mind, anything specific about Schezo?

[Omba]

Oh god. :colonveeplusalpha:
To be honest, I hadn't read Schezo that closely until capt. h's claim.
First off, his reaction to becoming a wagon is worse than capt. h's was (i.e. the lurkerprod). Next, I don't like his reaction to capt. h's claim. It's nice that he doesn't believe it, but I'm not seeing any specific reason for it, other than something he could have cleared up by asking, but instead chose to instantly use as an accusation without any asking. The latter looks very much like "I just hope it doesn't hit me".

[Omba]

If we want to have a lynch on this day, there's slightly less than 1 hour left for 2 more votes, if I'm not mistaken.

[Schezo]

And here I was thinking I wouldn't overreact to this game but I'm finding it hard not to, especially since you want to and make me turn out like last game or something.

No capt h, I did not wait 20 hours arbitrarily just because I felt like it and wanted to wait for an easy case and that you are pursuing it like it's a legitimate reason is getting me 9 kinds of riled up, because it's bad play and a bad reason!  That just takes the life and reality aspect out of this game and just makes it seem like I spend all of my time playing this when, no, I don't. 
RE: Omba and having null readings.  Is that what I've been agreeing so sure with you about?  Because I agreed that Omba needed a few more non null reasons?  That is a really long shot from me saying that Omba, has no opinions at all and is scum and worth voting!  No, that's such a huge difference I'm upset you're using that as another seemingly legitimate reason for your case against me.
RE: LLD  Are you fucking kidding?!  When I've been tied really closely to Dormio and LLD and then want to prod her so I can actually finish giving an opinion about what I think about them since her absence really hurt me since it makes me look like I was just sitting here twiddling my thumbs only for you to just reduce it to, "I rehashed your points" is beyond words for me.

And now for the kicker after I mulled all of this over,
I can tell you I'm pissed and that capt h's claim is a refuckingdiculous overpowered version of my role.
I too have a stand that lets me gain 10 points at the end of the day.
My power is really, Once per game mind you, I can take 100 points, yes ten whole days of being alive, and use it to save the life of 1 person I do not want to be killed and this will act as an aura for 4 game days.  Once that happens the day will restart and the person I saved will live.  Did I want to claim such a power out loud?  Hell no.  Did I immediately disagree with it.  Yes.  Although there is one thing that I can do that he appears not to be able to, and that's use it on myself as well.  Do I expect to live long enough for you to let me prove I can use it, no I honestly don't.  In fact I spent an abysmally long time giving his claim the slight possibility of both of us having the same power, and it does not work.  So I will propose that his is such an overpowered claim and I want him dead, if for some slight reason he flips town, which I'm sure he won't I will have nothing against you all lynching me tomorrow. 

[Edible]

Where did this case on Schezo come from?  Ugh, you come back from the pool and the world's flipped on its head.

Re: capt.h's claim, I should point out scum governors are not unheard of.  That said, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, seeing as even after my reread I think he's probably derptown.

Schezo I'm not so sure on.  On one hand, radiating derpscum is his meta.  On the other, there's stuff like thinking two people might be scummy and instead voting a third party (), and that hilarious voteswap and revote at the slightest touch of pressure from K4U.  The latter is what really bothers me more than anything else.

Cut by Schezo who is... counterclaiming?

[Serp]

I buy capt. h's claim, and it's verifiable in any case, but I don't think it's a townclaim.  Governor is a pretty classic role to give to scum, and this version doesn't strike me as any less plausible than a normal scum Governor.  Having to charge for 3 real life days in order to protect someone from lynching for 3 real life days is basically what a normal Mafia governor does in the first place, so I'm not seeing how K4u can call this version overpowered.  It changes nothing for me.

I don't like the case on Schezo.  Him saying that Lambda versus Dormio was horrible is true enough, and there could be scum intent hiding in all that anti-town play, but it's no contradiction to say that it could just be derp on both sides and go for a more direct scumtell from someone else.  Uh, the dropping his vote to go lurkerprod Lambda is pretty bad, but townies can do silly things in response to pressure too.  I don't think he's scum.

Lambda trying to claim that capt. h and Schezo are scum together because they tried to start a wagon on her is a horrible basis for a case.  I don't want to think that this practice of naming everyone who's voted her recently as a member of a scum conspiracy can really be honest scumhunting.  At the moment, she's my scumpick behind capt. h, though I wouldn't support lynching her now even if it were possible just because I don't think she's been given enough chances to post.

Zakeri:  I'm already getting tired of having my questions ignored.  When did you decide that you'd shadow Shadoweh's votes this game?

Hm, cut by Schezo's claim.  Interesting.  It's not strictly a counterclaim, as it appears that Schezo's ability is more expensive in exchange for also working against other types of kill.  So, Schezo's role is more useful for the town, if it's true.

[Kitten4u]

Schezo, can you full claim?  Or at least give us your name and stuff?

so I'm not seeing how K4u can call this version overpowered

At the time, I assumed he could use it on himself.  This is OP for scum because it makes a three person LYLO unwinnable for town.

Lambda trying to claim that capt. h and Schezo are scum together because they tried to start a wagon on her is a horrible basis for a case.

I agree with this.  I'll reread her tomorrow when I am no longer FORBIDDEN from rereading the game.