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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #300 on: March 05, 2011, 04:07:14 AM »
Okay, firstly, the PX lynch.
Bardiche: Didn't like PX defending Shadoweh and that PX used the whole "Pesco using Zakeri" mess.
Pescar: Felt that PX and I were scum hopping on his wagon, and that PX was the scummier of the two.
Hourai: Didn't like that PX saw Hourai as scummier than Pescar, saying that nothing had changed so why should his opinions have changed?
Conqueror: Basically didn't like the PX/Hourai exchange and decided that PX was the scummier of the two.
Schezo: Also didn't like the PX/Hourai exchange.
Kitten: Well, she's dead and flipped town.


Bardiche: Why would you single out PX for defending Shadoweh when Edible and I also said that we thought that Shadoweh's behavior didn't seem scum-like?
Pesco: OMGUS in a serious vote?
Hanged Hourai: People are constantly changing their thoughts and there was some Pesco x Edible action going on between PX's votes. Are you saying that the game should be held in stasis while you aren't there?
Schezo: Why did PX seem more scummy to you? Neither of them provided opinions on others during their exchange, which was the final point in your argument against PX. (PX asks Hourai to provide opinions without doing so himself first, neither of them ended up doing it)


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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #301 on: March 05, 2011, 06:22:53 AM »
one more post before i sleep. i am going to channel a more unsure of herself feline to help me explain why i do not like any post crown boy has made. i apologize in advance. please at least read bolded lines.

post four three is our first interaction and he votes for me. he then asks if i am fishing for roles by asking people to think about the setup. i hope i do not have to explain why starting by voting for me gave me a bad first impression.

post one zero four is thoughts on the players. waffles on what he thinks about tasty man and rabbit face. he said that he let me go with something he said earlier. since there is no post between four three and one zero four i have no idea what this means. anyways he tries to use the argument red doll boy used in post nine zero that i am trying too hard to read people and bad for being patient. also he tries to use the argument night lurker had about the joke vote wagon against me. he then has this weird paragraph filled with waffles about how i am almost not suspicious but red doll boy is bad for suspecting me and maybe the adorable artificer of automatons is actively lurking which is bad but red doll boy could be setting him up but he really is not contributing. opinion of koumajou densetsu fox is blatantly a parrot of night lurker and takeover king complete with links to posts. seriously this post is a well constructed combination of waffling and the opinions of other players.


post one zero six clarifies why he does not want to run after the adorable blue feline and the cardboard cutout player despite saying a post ago that i should be going after them instead of someone that already posted.

post one zero nine is crown boy misrepresenting waffle buster defending me from red doll boy. i cannot make an opinion on this post that is not biased because the argument is about me. i suggest reading the post to see if you also believe it is misrepresentation.

post one two eight is a response to my question about why crown boy wants to know who the fox thinks is town. this is actually a good defense and lowered my suspicion of crown boy until his next post.

post one eight one is where he votes for the waffle buster. i was counting votes and people who were present at the deadline and his vote sealed the lynch. says he believes tasty man over rabbit face. i question him about this later so i will wait to say more about this waffle. he says i drop alot and he can kinda see some town in my posts. if you waffle any harder you will levitate. his next point is that the cute crafter of cutouts is making him frustrated and he needs to die today if not tomorrow. considering his vote and that there are not enough people online to change the lynch to the cute crafter of cutouts this reads like crown boy is trying to set up a lynch for tomorrow. makes an unconvincing argument for why he is voting waffle buster and votes.

post one eight nine is an answer to me asking why he is not voting for rabbit face if he thinks tasty man is correct. answer is that he was only leaning and did not have a solid opinion because of something night lurker said and he is not for sure that he wants rabbit face to die. this entire post screams the words i do not want to pick a side.

this is where day two begins.

post two one one is a vote on the moe maker of muppets. he posts some dislike of red doll boy and wants me to go over my full case on rabbit face. says i never stated an opinion on rabbit face. i have in post five one and post seven zero stated i think rabbit face was taking it easy and dodging questions instead of doing anything useful. that my argument still applies to rabbit face the next day is bad for him but this post is about crown boy.

post two one three is more dislike of how i did not follow tasty man to the letter about anonymous voting. wants to hear exactly how useless i thought rabbit face was day one. not notable to me.

post two two one is about how terrible ignoring what tasty man said about anonymous voting is and a vote for me while i argue with rabbit face about targetting. every time i post i get the feeling you wait for me to say something perceived as not being town so you can push it relentlessly. his paragraph to the cold pixie is hard to read because it sounds like rambling. it certainly does not give a solid opinion about anything.

post two two five is support for rabbit face against me in the argument we were having about targetting.
post two two eight is more support and being upset with me for claiming my role against rabbit face. he says he does not understand why i claimed my role so easily. he is also misrepresenting what i said but this is likely because i was hard to understand. also restates that town needs to hammer before fourty eight hours pass which was my argument in the first place so i have no idea why he would listen to me if he really thought i was on the red colored team.

post two eight five is about claiming the role of riot leader. the reasoning for using the power given by your role is a good reason. the reasoning for how there is no possibility that crown boy is not on the red colored team with this role is not true. the possibility that the red colored team believes they can skip a day by activating this role exists. roles also tend to be assigned randomly so the idea that because a role sounds inherently like a town role makes that person town does not hold up to examination. crown boy decides to back away from me because i am new but after rereading his posts i still believe that oh my god he sucks.
crown boy does your opinion of the fox change knowing that he is also a new player? he said so when he signed up for this game.

there is another post after this one but i have not had a chance to compare it to others so for now i am skipping post two nine seven.

if this was too long and you did not read it look here.

my case is the opposite of what night lurker argued in post two five eight. crown boy was terrible day one and i feel bad now for not having realized what exactly was wrong with his posts. post one zero four managed to be large and comment on many people and say absolutely nothing original. he has been tunneling against me since my first post. he went out of his way to set up the cute crafter of cutouts as a lynch today just before day one ended. his opinion of rabbit face and tasty man is that he could go either way. there are so many things wrong with all his posts combined that i cannot continue to think that i am just reacting to being attacked.

how does anyone post more then one of these a game i am never making a post using this method again good night.


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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #302 on: March 05, 2011, 06:26:22 AM »
Quote from: Conq 284
Cut by Pesco speculating NK.
Of course we know how well that worked last time, right? >_>

I'm always right 50% of the time.

Quote from: Schezo 285
Hourai: If I am to take Pesco's 278 at face value then the vote should obviously be on Hourai because since I'm town I have nothing to kill kitten for. But it's not.  Pesco hasn't done much scum hunting and like Zakeri said his post about Dormio, it was just more self assurance on what could be a BS vote.

Are you sure you want to claim this is what Zak said? Didn't learn anything from Day1 did you? :V
Too bad if my scumhunting is disappointing because when in doubt, I check Day 1 and ask my instincts.

Quote from: 'Hourai 291"'
Pesco-
I'm a little confused at your NK analysis. If you think Schezo is more likely to be scum than me, then why isn't your vote on him?

I'd like to vote him, but I think you were lying about your ability. From what Kitten had posted, it read to me that she would more likely pursue you. It's only natural that she'd follow up on someone that she talks the most about.

Quote from: 293
Here we go, I was going off memory when I said the protect successfully went up on Edible.
Upon a reread, I now see that I was only informed the my protect did go up on someone, along with one on Pesco.

You see this is why I think your claim is questionable. Why was your primary target not named and yet you are told that the bonus target was specifically me? The results are inconsistent.

Quote from: 295
if we are going to speculate on the night kill then i believe rabbit face would kill his adorable blue feline because rabbit face targets experienced players before considering roles.

Your reasoning for this doesn't go deep enough nor can you explain where your basis comes from. Go read over the second Affinity Special game.

Schezo iso: His PX vote was near the day end, bringing him to L-2. I reckon he could have posted more on PX earlier because he talked about Dormio's vote on me when PX's vote was already down. Day 1 is consistent as far as everything else goes.

Hourai iso: He never actually posted much on Day 1. Kitten's 2 posts still hold as what's wrong with him. From what I can gather from it it's that he's picked pretty easy places to park his vote (Shadoweh and PX) I've already mentioned what I think are the holes in his claim today.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #303 on: March 05, 2011, 07:01:43 AM »
Pesco-
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You see this is why I think your claim is questionable. Why was your primary target not named and yet you are told that the bonus target was specifically me? The results are inconsistent.
Blame the mod. I was told what I was told.

Do you see anything wrong with the night action analysis? Or do you have anything to add?
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Night 1 :
Someone, somehow, switches Edible and Bard.  Pesco is now linked to Bard and everything at night happens to the opposite guy.
Bards threat gets sent to Edible, Hourai's doc gets sent to Bard.  Pesco is linked to Bard and is thus protected.
You target Pesco.  Pesco is protected.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #304 on: March 05, 2011, 07:06:38 AM »
Depends on the order of priorities, which we won't know until the end. There's no definite way to distinguish what's a 'negative action' that your ability claims to prevent. I'm taking it as a jailkeep effect and it should have disrupted my linking if it was successful.

And I have done a lot of blaming the mod already.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #305 on: March 05, 2011, 07:32:49 AM »
Okay, secondly, the night actions.
Bardiche talking at night, don't really know what to make of that.
Using Iced Fairy's summary of actions.
Day 1 : Pesco Links Edible

Night 1 :
Someone, somehow, switches Edible and Bard.  Pesco is now linked to Bard and everything at night happens to the opposite guy.
Bards threat gets sent to Edible, Hourai's doc gets sent to Bard.  Pesco is linked to Bard and is thus protected.
You target Pesco.  Pesco is protected.
Schezo claims responsibility for starting the riot today.
Hourai claims to have inherited PX's waffle vote.

I'm not really sure what to make of these actions.
At first, I thought Hourai was lying about his roleclaim, but I guess it makes more sense if Bardiche is now linked to Pesco instead of Edible and he gains charges every second day.


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Fucking troll internet.
This was meant to be posted HOURS ago.
Instead every time I click anything, I get disconnected and then shit happens.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #306 on: March 05, 2011, 07:33:45 AM »
Going to make another post for what I think of day 2 so far.
No idea if my internet will stop being crappy though, so it might be a bit late.

Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #307 on: March 05, 2011, 07:38:54 AM »
FYI, to prove my waffle-vote, I just sent it in on Doll.
I can change it at anytime though.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #308 on: March 05, 2011, 07:41:41 AM »
Zakeri's wall of quotes: Suspicious behaviour is mentioned after reporting the actions. Lumping them together as "suspicious" without underlining why they are is the primary basis of a reporting style. I never switched from PX nor felt the need to re-iterate my reasons to be on him for he never actually did anything to improve my opinion of him during D1.

If you'd care to note, I posted here with a summation of what I wanted answers from. I do not make it a direct question, but I thought it was patently obvious I wanted to know what I outlined in the first block.

That from when I voted him to when he was lynched he only switched votes to Hourai and spent the rest of his time not posting, or posting answers to questions I never asked is no justification to suddenly come up with new cases, and so your point is lost on me.

During D1, I considered PX a prime lynch taret. Why is it bad that I stck to my primary lynch target, again?

Nightphase conjecture is based on a flawed assumption, and the idea that my words were aimed at town during nightphase. I see no further reason to need to justify what I did during the night because it is nothing more than meaningless conjecture based on flawed assumptions.

PX was my primary lynch target. Of course he was a much better lynch as far as I was concerned.

"Not mentioned a word of Doll" means that you do not spend any time on whether or not Doll is still scummiest at the end of D1. A promise to give someone a free pass for lynching what you think is definite scum is a decidedly strange - especially since you request to "just leave the vote there", rather than voting Doll for scumminess.

Arguing semantics is cute, but not really applicable.

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It wreaks too much of "Day one reasoning" in the fact that the validity of it is based entirely on flips we don't even have

This I find bears special mention. What parts of my case against Schezo is based on flips we don't have, and what flips are these?



Also goddamnit, whoever post restricted Shadoweh, I hate you. That is such a pain to read. I'll make the effort to re-read Schezo's D1 to make sure it is not as terrible as I initially thought.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #309 on: March 05, 2011, 07:51:18 AM »
EBWOP: Let it also be said that you did not rehash whether Doll was scummy or not to you: you just left a parting note on HOW TO GET ZAKERI FREEBIES, which  doesn't explain why Doll is scummy again and why a lynch is in order.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #310 on: March 05, 2011, 08:04:52 AM »
I have no reason to kill Kitten because I'm town duo vote leader

 :V Are you seriously going to argue "I'm town so I have no reason to kill people"? Although the role is beneficial to town, this is bastard moddery, and scum wielding a pro-town weapon is not at all outside the realm of possibilities.

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It's not as hard as you make it out to be to make out what his convictions are and what he thinks of everyone else, so I'll make an opinion on you when you answer Zak.

My point is that you have to interpret that yourself for the most part. He posts a wall of reports on what happened, and then uses three to four words to make a throw away comment that "x is suspicious". It's like throwing a bunch of paper on the table, saying, "The evidence speaks for itself! I am right!" without explaining HOW this evidence supports your claim, or why you are right. Zakeri has dug up my D1 actions, but he failed to explain why these are suspicious.

His charge on my "PX wagon vote" is silly considering how little changed between my vote and PX's death. Most of what happened is Edible VS Pesco, which is exciting but not really so.

Cut by having to leave. I'll get this out here.

Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #311 on: March 05, 2011, 08:21:46 AM »
I personally get a headache reading the long post Shadoweh made with his restriction, and I find myself agreeing with some points on re-read. So I translated into sane speech:



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One more post before I sleep. I am going to channel UncertainKitten(?) to help me explain why I do not like any post Schezo has made. I apologize in advance. Please at least read the bolded lines.

#43 is our first interaction and he votes for me. He then asks if I am fishing for roles by asking people to think about the setup. I hope I do not have to explain why starting by voting for me gave me a bad first impression.

#104 is thoughts on the players. Waffles on what he thinks about Edible and Pesco. He said that he let me go with something he said earlier. Since there is no post between 43 and 104, I have no idea what this means. Anyways he tries to use the argument Hourai used in 90 that I am trying too hard to read people and am bad for being patient. Also he tries to use the argument Bard had about the joke vote wagon against me. He then has this weird paragraph filled with waffles about how I am almost not suspicious but Hourai is bad for suspecting me and maybe Doll.S is actively lurking which is bad, but Hourai could be setting him up but he really is not contributing. Opinion of Dormio is blatantly a parrot of Bard and Conqueror complete with links to posts. Seriously this post is a well constructed combination of waffling and the opinions of other players.


106 clarifies why he does not want to run after the adorable blue feline and the cardboard cutout player despite saying a post ago that I should be going after them instead of someone that already posted.

109 is Schezo misrepresenting PX defending me from Hourai. I cannot make an opinion on this post that is not biased because the argument is about me. I suggest reading the post to see if you also believe it is misrepresentation.

128 is a response to my question about why Schezo wants to know who Dormio thinks is town. This is actually a good defense and lowered my suspicion of Schezo until his next post.

181 is where he votes for PX. I was counting votes and people who were present at the deadline and his vote sealed the lynch. Says he believes Edible over Pesco. I question him about this later so I will wait to say more about this waffle. He says I drop alot and he can kinda see some town in my posts. If you waffle any harder you will levitate. His next point is that Doll.S is making him frustrated and he needs to die today if not tomorrow. Considering his vote and that there are not enough people online to change the lynch to Doll.S, this reads like Schezo is trying to set up a lynch for tomorrow. Makes an unconvincing argument for why he is voting PX and votes.

189 is an answer to me asking why he is not voting for Pesco if he thinks Edible is correct. Answer is that he was only leaning and did not have a solid opinion because of something Bard said and he is not for sure that he wants Pesco to die. This entire post screams the words I do not want to pick a side.

This is where day two begins.

211 is a vote on the Doll.S. He posts some dislike of Hourai and wants me to go over my full case on Pesco. Says I never stated an opinion on Pesco. I have in 51 and 70 stated I think Pesco was taking it easy and dodging questions instead of doing anything useful. That my argument still applies to Pesco the next day is bad for him but this post is about Schezo.

213 is more dislike of how I did not follow Edible to the letter about anonymous voting. Wants to hear exactly how useless I thought Pesco was day one. Not notable to me.

221 is about how terrible ignoring what Edible said about anonymous voting is and a vote for me while I argue with Pesco about targeting. Every time I post, I get the feeling you wait for me to say something perceived as not being town so you can push it relentlessly. His paragraph to Iced Fairy is hard to read because it sounds like rambling. It certainly does not give a solid opinion about anything.

225 is support for Pesco against me in the argument we were having about targeting.
228 is more support and being upset with me for claiming my role against Pesco. He says he does not understand why I claimed my role so easily. He is also misrepresenting what I said but this is likely because I was hard to understand. Also restates that town needs to hammer before 48 hours pass which was my argument in the first place so I have no idea why he would listen to me if he really thought I was scum.

285 is about claiming the role of riot leader. The reasoning for using the power given by your role is a good reason. The reasoning for how there is no possibility that Schezo is not scum with this role is not true. The possibility that scum believes they can skip a day by activating this role exists. Roles also tend to be assigned randomly so the idea that because a role sounds inherently like a town role makes that person town does not hold up to examination. Schezo decides to back away from me because i am new, but after rereading his posts I still believe that oh my god he sucks.
Schezo, does your opinion of Dormio change knowing that he is also a new player? He said so when he signed up for this game.

There is another post after this one, but I have not had a chance to compare it to others so for now I am skipping 297.

If this was too long and you did not read it look here.

My case is the opposite of what Bard argued in 258. Schezo was terrible day one and I feel bad now for not having realized what exactly was wrong with his posts. 104 managed to be large and comment on many people and say absolutely nothing original. He has been tunneling against me since my first post. He went out of his way to set up Doll.S as a lynch today just before day one ended. His opinion of Pesco and Edible is that he could go either way. There are so many things wrong with all his posts combined that I cannot continue to think that I am just reacting to being attacked.

How does anyone post more then one of these a game? I am never making a post using this method again. Good night.

<huhwhat> Yeahhh, I'm going to have to put that in quote tags to avoid confusion. Because it is confusing.
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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #312 on: March 05, 2011, 10:50:11 AM »
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Having your router decide to die on you for no apparent reason sucks hard.
I didn't get to read through day 2 properly due to loldisconnects and I'll be busy tomorrow. :/
Trying to read as much as I can now.

Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #313 on: March 05, 2011, 12:05:04 PM »
Well, I don't know what I could do to make it more clearer that those are my opinions. "These are things you did; I think they mean you are scum." What kind of phrasing should I have used? Should I bring up examples from previous games of things other people did that were similar? Should I take every other line of my post and say "This is something scum would do because yadda yadda yadda."? Or should I just pepper in key words and phrases like "cheap bandwagon hop."

No, Sticking to your guns is not scummy. What is scummy is pretending you have guns to stick to. Your case on PX by the end of the day was because you disagreed with part of his case on Pesco, calling his vote a "cheap bandwagon hop." This post was made after he switched wagons, and stopped pursuing Pesco as a viable lynch. This was also after answering why he felt Pesco's claim of calling Edible for Cheerleading didn't hold up. (Post 161) You then say that whether Pesco's initial case was valid or not had nothing to do with why you suspected PX, who voted for Pesco because of the invalid case, and proceed to pin on him the fact that he claimed the "He said, She said" nature between myself and Pesco was part of his reason for the initial vote.

So, If I read this right, your main (possibly only) reason for your "primary" lynch on day one was because  you didn't like the way he talked about the most insignificant part of his case on Pesco, and therefore the whole vote was just a silly bandwagon hop. This was, of course, a significant enough feeling to ignore and deny PX's responses, as well as ignore the possibility of voting for somebody other than Pesco or Edible at any point in the day.

Doll is scum to me for the same reasons as yesterday, which hasn't changed for the better so far. Those reasons are "Active lurking" "avoiding stances on people," "Avoiding votes," and, with the recent addition from my last post "Contradictory stances on Pesco, regarding reasons for his vote."

Speaking of contradictory stances...
Quote from: Bardiche
A promise to give someone a free pass for lynching what you think is definite scum is a decidedly strange - especially since you request to "just leave the vote there", rather than voting Doll for scumminess.

Arguing semantics is cute, but not really applicable.
I'm having a lot of trouble trying to determine if that arguing semantics line is in reference to something I said, or if you're trying to lampshade the fact that your accusation in the quoted point above is based solely on the semantics of my request for a Doll.S lynch.

As for your case on Schezo, you list three points. The first, which you expanded on and make it seem like the most important point is that his vote for Shadoweh is based largely on the fact that Shadoweh anon voted before public voting. The other points, which I missed because they were complete throwaway comments were that he ignores Shad's comments, and tunnels on her. This is of course ignoring the fact that most of Shadoweh's (and really, almost everyone's) posts can be safely ignored since most of them are role and setup speculations, which only have and only will serve to confuse townies. This also ignores important bits like Schezo responding to comments Shadoweh makes. In post 225 Schezo points out a phrase of Shadoweh that implies she thinks it would be a good idea to lynch a townie. This is a valid reaction from someone who is voting for her because he thinks she is scum.

All that leaves is the fact that he's voting for Shadoweh. Except he's not. In post 285, Schezo took heart the realization that shadoweh is inclined to do newbie things, realized the basis of his case was faulty, and switched his vote. You are still voting for Schezo for his case on Shadoweh, but he no longer holds that case. So what is the reasoning behind your current vote now that it's gone stale?

Your vote on PX was made on flimsy reasoning with standard keywords added to make your case seem valid. Despite changes occuring as the day goes on, you handwave it as nothing important, and hold onto your vote.
Your vote on Schezo, on day 2, was made on flimsy reasoning with standard keywords added to make your case seem valid. Despite changes occuring as the day goes on, you ignore the way Schezo has proceeded with his case, and hold onto your vote.
You attacks and your defenses against my case on you are filled to the brim with misrepresentations of what I'm trying to convey. Calling me out for a reporter style, then refining that claim to some inane, almost meaningless definition (one that encompass your own cases on Schezo and PX no less) .

Your posts are filled with crap-logic that is being carefully hidden in a way so as to make you seem vaguely pro-town, and is actively being used as explanations for votes on people, at least one of which is confirmed town. This is suspicious, and since you like having everything explained for you, I'll go ahead and say why. It is suspicious because Town wants to lynch Scum, and scum want to avoid being lynched by townies. It is suspicious because townies and scum subconsciously act different from one another. This subconscious difference means that scum need to find other reasons for lynching people than the fact that they are scum. This often forces them to find poor reasons for voting for someone, and pretending that those reasons are good ones. This is exactly what you are doing, to PX, to Schezo, and even to myself. This means that you are doing something that scum would most likely do in any given game. This means, that I think you are scum.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #314 on: March 05, 2011, 12:47:54 PM »
All the role stuff compounds my headache.

Okay, so Doll.S has only posted three today.
One to vote Pesco despite "not having a really good reason".
Second post to say that he has a reason, but no idea how to explain it.
Third post to emphasize telepathic powers.

The current debate seems to be Schezo v. Bardiche.
Both of them were on the PX wagon in day one.
Kitten had nothing solid on either, but a "feeling" that something about how Schezo was playing was wrong.
Do you guys feel like answering my questions?

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Also, orz, I probably wont be here most of tomorrow and I'll also be absent on Monday due to loluni. (Classes from 9~5, yeaaaaaah)
I like how stuff seems to come up for me when the day is nearing its end.

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Here's hoping I get a chance to post tomorrow.

Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #315 on: March 05, 2011, 01:25:44 PM »
Dearest Holywhat,
Votecount and deadline, please.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #316 on: March 05, 2011, 06:00:26 PM »
red doll boy is now upgraded to crimson doll helper. can you translate this question for the cute crafter of cutouts? i do not think he knows i am asking him something. the question is if he is the one that sent night lurker the threatening private message. also that i do not hate him either and want him to keep trying to play until he is not able to speak.

i have not commented yet on the argument between best outfit ever and night lurker. i can see points against both sides.

night lurker made a case against crown boy that i agreed with when he wrote it but after examining crown boy on day one i disagree. his day one was that terrible. i honestly do not understand why best outfit ever would need to explain again why he wants to lynch the moe maker of muppets because his reason has not changed and is still valid from day one.

best outfit ever confused me when he went from saying crimson doll helper was the most likely of the day one wagons to be on the red colored team in post one nine five to saying his vote flowed naturally and he was getting a pass in post two seven one. if it was so natural why did you vote for him? the case against night lurker in post three one three seems legitimate to me and i agree with the paragraphs about the crown boy case.

besides my bolded point i am having difficulty convincing myself to side with night lurker after reading these posts. i still prefer a rabbit face or crown boy lynch today. it seems likely crown boy backed off of me because other players told him his case was bad and he did the same thing day one. rabbit face made such a convincing case on crown boy that i almost forgot he was voting for crimson doll helper. if we decide to lynch night lurker i will reveal what should happen when he dies.

from this post we have six hours until anonymous votes count. i was also wrong and will be back two hours before this deadline.


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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #317 on: March 05, 2011, 06:15:12 PM »
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Zakeri confused me when he went from saying Hourai was the most likely of the day one wagons to be scum in post 195 to saying his vote flowed naturally and Hourai was getting a pass in post 271. If it was so natural why did you vote for him?

Between PX, Edible, and Hourai, I thought Hourai was the most scummy.
Between Hourai, Schezo, Bardiche, Conqueror, and Pesco, Hourai is actually the least scummy.
There is no contradiction here.

Like I said in the post voting Hourai, I'd rather have been voting Doll.S. When deadline came up, I attempted to analyze all relevant parties at the time, and I found PX to actually be one of the more townie people posting this game.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #318 on: March 05, 2011, 07:00:52 PM »
Okay.  I better make a post before things get even harder to follow.

First off : For all those claiming the spirit of Kitten4U is talking to them, I hate to break this to you, but she's dead.  And the game's changed a little since then (not enough, but a little).  If her cases are good expand upon them please.

Thanks to Hourai for Shadoweh's post.

Alright I was going to consider the merits of everyone's case so we stop having towny slapfights over stupid things, then I realized that was stupid so I'll just scum hunt personally.

Pesco: Still #1.  Oh hey, it's a post with some actual facts! ....  Which don't make any sense.  The only good thing there was pointing out Schezo's bad post about Pescos bad post.  His accusation on Hourai still seems to be terribly forced, and based on the minor wording, of a night PM Hourai received, that Hourai should (if he's town) have no clue of the significance of.  Oh and on Kitten4U speaking to him from beyond the grave.

I'm somewhat concerned at how he's getting a free pass for this.  He created mass chaos with that link, both on day one and day two, creating the type of confusion that only leads to town lynchings, and has been sort of drifting along with bad bad scumhunting.

Dolls : Seems to be the designated lurker kill today.  I can live with this.  Less lurkers at lylow is always better.

Dormio : I dislike the dichotomy you give, the weakness of your claims (since the start) and how you ignore swaths of the scummy playerbase.  I'm cutting you slack though because people haven't answered your questions.

Bardiche and Zak : Not sure on it yet, though my gut agrees with Zak on some level.  Sadly I don't see all the facts to back it up yet.  I just think there's better lynching to be done today.

Also repeating the call for votecount.  I for one, believe Hourai, and I'd really hate to see the doctor lynched.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #319 on: March 05, 2011, 07:15:24 PM »
Players don't die for no reason. If Kitten died this early, there is justification behind it. Someone believed that she was enough of a threat to warrant silencing, so it's a very good chance that her leads are warmer than what's out here.

I don't consider how I'm the lead lynch at the moment a free pass by any means.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #320 on: March 05, 2011, 07:19:55 PM »
How the hell do we have three comods and no votecount? <_<;

Anyway, I'm starting to buy into Pesco's vote on Schezo, but I still need to independently justify it for myself, which I'll do right now.  Nevertheless - pesco, you said you were going to do a reread of schezo yourself.  Shall we compare notes?

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #321 on: March 05, 2011, 07:26:51 PM »
 :derp:

EBWOP:

Forgot the other people on the list because I've been waiting on them to post.  Shouldn't let potential lurkscum to pass...

Schezo -  I was figuring he was derp town due to how passionate he was about bad ideas, and I still get that feel.  I'm not sure how to feel about the fact that his vote went straight to a lurk lynch after only one scumhunting post that spoke on two people (and one via very bad logic at that).

Schezo, who do you think is active scum?

Conqueror - Heya.  Lurker #2.  Lurking is bad, mkay   :fail:

Cut: Pesco, I'm pretty sure you aren't the lead lynch though a votecount would help.

And maybe the reason K4U died is because she was less derp then the rest of town?\

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #322 on: March 05, 2011, 07:50:13 PM »
Okay, I'm not going to pretend this count is even close to accurate, due to anon voting and other shenanagins, but here's where things should stand if the votes on the table are real.

Pesco - Edible, Iced Fairy, Dolls
Dolls - Schezo, Dormio
Schezo - Bardiche, shadoweh
Dormio - Hourai, Conqueror
Hanged Hourai - Pesco
Bardiche - Zak

If Hourai is telling the truth Dolls will be 2nd lynch by tie breaker.

Warning : Wave of darkness makes this set purely guesswork.  Only a real votecounter can tell you what the votes are.

Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #323 on: March 05, 2011, 08:13:13 PM »
Holy Votecount
Pesco (3) - Edible, ????????, Iced Fairy, Shadoweh, Doll.S
Hanged Hourai (1) - ????????, Shadoweh, Pesco, Dormio
Polaris (0) - ????????
Doll.S (2.5) - Schezo, Dormio, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles
Shadoweh (0) - Pesco, Schezo
Schezo (2) - Bardiche, Shadoweh
Dormio (2) - Hanged Hourai, Conqueror
Bardiche (1) - Zakeri
Not Voting: ????????
With 11 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~28 hours left in the day.


Pesco and Doll.S are currently in the lynch spotlight. You have 4 hours until wagons with anonyvotes on them become hammerable.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2011, 08:27:29 PM by huh what »

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #324 on: March 05, 2011, 08:24:59 PM »
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post four three is our first interaction and he votes for me. he then asks if i am fishing for roles by asking people to think about the setup. i hope i do not have to explain why starting by voting for me gave me a bad first impression.
I actually want you to because that means to me that you could be holding onto me being one of the few who got onto you and it could be clouding your judgment.

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post one zero four is thoughts on the players. waffles on what he thinks about tasty man and rabbit face. he said that he let me go with something he said earlier. since there is no post between four three and one zero four i have no idea what this means. anyways he tries to use the argument red doll boy used in post nine zero that i am trying too hard to read people and bad for being patient. also he tries to use the argument night lurker had about the joke vote wagon against me. he then has this weird paragraph filled with waffles about how i am almost not suspicious but red doll boy is bad for suspecting me and maybe the adorable artificer of automatons is actively lurking which is bad but red doll boy could be setting him up but he really is not contributing. opinion of koumajou densetsu fox is blatantly a parrot of night lurker and takeover king complete with links to posts. seriously this post is a well constructed combination of waffling and the opinions of other players.
When you accuse me of twisting your information, don't do the same to me.  At that point, the only thing that happened to Pesco/Edible was their initial argument at the very beginning.  I had no idea what to think of them at that point and it's instantly a waffle when either could have been lying at that point.  Please define what you think waffle is.  The attempt to convict you that you say was a legitimate concern because we hadn't heard from multiple people at that point and you kept egging on a vig/drastic measures.  I admit, I could have worded that post better but you're taking stuff out of context.  You want to call me out on blatant parroting, when I left quotes of the people who brought up the points not claiming them as my own but as good thinking points, yet you take Kitten's 160 and call me out for exactly what you're doing right now except without the link to the author.  And what, your last point, you don't want me to give opinions on other people?  How does that make sense?

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post one eight one is where he votes for the waffle buster. i was counting votes and people who were present at the deadline and his vote sealed the lynch. says he believes tasty man over rabbit face. i question him about this later so i will wait to say more about this waffle. he says i drop alot and he can kinda see some town in my posts. if you waffle any harder you will levitate. his next point is that the cute crafter of cutouts is making him frustrated and he needs to die today if not tomorrow. considering his vote and that there are not enough people online to change the lynch to the cute crafter of cutouts this reads like crown boy is trying to set up a lynch for tomorrow. makes an unconvincing argument for why he is voting waffle buster and votes.
No shit I was setting Doll up for a lunch because at that point I knew I was using my power and he would be part of my duo lynch.
You're telling me my argument of PX wasn't convincing because I had some reasons to convict him and thought they rang true with what everyone else brought up about his alignment.  Looking back now, I see some emotion clouded my judgment, but I still saw him a better vote over Hourai at that point because Hourai wasn't being as bad as PX.

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post one eight nine is an answer to me asking why he is not voting for rabbit face if he thinks tasty man is correct. answer is that he was only leaning and did not have a solid opinion because of something night lurker said and he is not for sure that he wants rabbit face to die. this entire post screams the words i do not want to pick a side.
This is silly.  Once again you're trying to take a point out on me for not instantly believing Edible like you did and I look bad for it?  There was not near enough information at that time for me to choose one or the other and you want to hold it against me for not playing like you do.

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also restates that town needs to hammer before fourty eight hours pass which was my argument in the first place so i have no idea why he would listen to me if he really thought i was on the red colored team.
Just because one is scum doesn't mean they can put out some valid points.  I don't like this.

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post two eight five is about claiming the role of riot leader. the reasoning for using the power given by your role is a good reason. the reasoning for how there is no possibility that crown boy is not on the red colored team with this role is not true. the possibility that the red colored team believes they can skip a day by activating this role exists. roles also tend to be assigned randomly so the idea that because a role sounds inherently like a town role makes that person town does not hold up to examination. crown boy decides to back away from me because i am new but after rereading his posts i still believe that oh my god he sucks.
I don't see the post restriction that someone put on you being a pro town role if you know what I mean.  While roles can be assigned randomly , things like roleblocker tend to be more scum affiliated.  I'll give you that it doesn't hold up, but I don't see scum wanting to end the game sooner by giving town more votes.  Having town maybe waste a day on Doll seems like a much better way to go about it because then they would get two nightkills for two lynches instead of 2 nightkills for 3 lynches.

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crown boy does your opinion of the fox change knowing that he is also a new player? he said so when he signed up for this game.
Don't ask me loaded questions.  There is a clear difference between me giving you a slight clear for being new and trying some features out and generally playing bad.  This is my third game on this board and so far I was scum twice so there's no reason for me to not put Dormio under the ringer like everyone else just because he is new, especially when he's been playing bad.

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post one zero four managed to be large and comment on many people and say absolutely nothing original
Is a bold faced lie.  There are unique opinions on what I think in there. 

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he went out of his way to set up the cute crafter of cutouts as a lynch today just before day one ended.
I already answered this but again, I knew I was using my power today and getting rid of a lurker earlier on, (which still hasn't posted anything) is helpful to town I thought so I don't see the problem with me setting it up early.

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there are so many things wrong with all his posts combined that i cannot continue to think that i am just reacting to being attacked.

And what the hell Shadoweh?  Part of your attack on me is because I didn't immediately choose between Edible and Pesco yet you want to do the same thing and not expect me to call you out on it?  Really?  Can you see where I was coming from earlier now, or are you still going to hold it against me?
And I backed up off you because others pointed a point out that I completely understood, yet you want to hold that against me still.  Would you rather I didn't hold any sympathy for how a new person played and just bash you?

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Dormio: I chose PX over Hourai because I got a bit emotional.  He was more blatant about doing bad play and Hourai slipped under my senses.  Also his not answering the question Bard asked him correctly didn't help him in any way.  You yourself still haven't done anything though, so that's not good.

Iced Fairy: At who I think is active scum?  At this point, I'm seeing Pesco and Bard.  Pesco's reasoning on how Kitten's death could be because she was warmer on the scum is bullshit.  If he or anyone else is scum, there's no reason why they just didn't kill her out of experience and in Pesco's case to give himself a talking point on people because the nightkill most closely relates to certain people when it can easily be set up for just that reason.  That's a very weak reason to put on me and I don't like how you take it and run with it.  Leading us with one way logic, "If Kitten died this early, there is justification behind it." isn't good either because let's not throw it out there that scum could have random killed to just stir up drama, which Pesco seems to be following like planned or is one of the scum who set it up to do this.

Bard, his PX case made sense, but the squabble with Zakeri is bad.  He contorted Zakeri's information to try and make him look like the bad guy.  This:
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Nightphase conjecture is based on a flawed assumption, and the idea that my words were aimed at town during nightphase. I see no further reason to need to justify what I did during the night because it is nothing more than meaningless conjecture based on flawed assumptions.
is dodging the comment on how he did nothing town proactive with his night power when he easily could and should have.
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:V Are you seriously going to argue "I'm town so I have no reason to kill people"? Although the role is beneficial to town, this is bastard moddery, and scum wielding a pro-town weapon is not at all outside the realm of possibilities.
I haven't seen bastard mod yet, I've seen rolemadness but I guess I take it that it's possible.
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My point is that you have to interpret that yourself for the most part. He posts a wall of reports on what happened, and then uses three to four words to make a throw away comment that "x is suspicious". It's like throwing a bunch of paper on the table, saying, "The evidence speaks for itself! I am right!" without explaining HOW this evidence supports your claim, or why you are right. Zakeri has dug up my D1 actions, but he failed to explain why these are suspicious.
I guess because I got all the evidence that he brought up when I first read it without thinking about why is why I feel bad about you.  It did in fact speak for itself when I read it and I'm pretty sure it does for others as well.
Zakeri's 313 helps support my opinion on Bard too, I agree with almost all or it.  The only part is where Bard's PX wasn't completely justified and I felt it was after mid day because that's when I arrived and read it all at once but the point where the PX vote wasn't kosher on the beginning makes some sense, because  I hadn't thought about it.

I think that's enough for now and I'll clarify if some of this is in-comprehensive.

Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #325 on: March 05, 2011, 08:26:31 PM »
@mod: Does that mean there is an anony vote on Shadoweh?

Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #326 on: March 05, 2011, 08:27:38 PM »
No, it means I'm a retard.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #327 on: March 05, 2011, 08:53:36 PM »
Edible: Bottom of the post. And I'm voting Hourai.

No matter how I revote, I'm still in the lead to die unless someone gets off me. Pretty much a given that you guys aren't shifting.

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Almost purely a not-me vote at this stage. I expect to see people take responsibility for their tunneling after my flip.

Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #328 on: March 05, 2011, 09:00:34 PM »
Pesco-
You vote knocks Doll out of the potential second lynch. Do you see a reason for Doll to stay alive?
The day's effect was (supposedly) intended to get rid of him.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #329 on: March 05, 2011, 09:01:08 PM »
I expect the derps voting me to switch to DollS in that case