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Title: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on February 26, 2011, 10:02:51 PM
Welcome to a game in the far-off future Mafia Rule Mafia. After some amount of months I can't be bothered to count in development, hopefully it will have been worth the wait. You 13 players have been chosen to represent the 13 rules below that are in effect this game, and your goal is to rat out the no good backstabbing conniving scumbags among you that have decided to screw the rules. However, you must be ever-vigilant, for there may very well be various game-altering forces in play as well. That aside, best of luck to all of you.

As a general note, NeoSerela is the game's co-mod, meaning that he is allowed to post official votecounts. Alongside that, all actions should be sent to him as well as me.

...Though, actually, on second thought, don't send them to him. Considering how Psycho's Plot played out, he would probably get all the actions while I would only receive two. Additionally, Quercus Thatguy is allowed to post votecounts as well. Why? Because he asked, and I felt nice. Votecounts are useful, so you shouldn't complain.

.::Rules::.


.::Player List::. [Red players are unconfirmed scum]:

.::Dead Players::.

..:::Day 4:::..
.::Active Day Effects::.

.::Handy Links::.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia [Confirmation Phase]
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on February 26, 2011, 10:04:06 PM
Role PMs are being sent out right now as we speak. Or... type. Or, actually, in your case, read.

...My point is that you should confirm in-thread when you receive yours. The first day will begin once eleven of the thirteen players have confirmed.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia [Confirmation Phase]
Post by: PX on February 26, 2011, 10:23:08 PM
Confirm
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia [Confirmation Phase]
Post by: Kitten4u on February 26, 2011, 10:26:32 PM
/confirm
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia [Confirmation Phase]
Post by: Hanged Hourai on February 26, 2011, 10:27:28 PM
We can /confirm if we want to
We can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends don't /confirm and if they don't /confirm
Well they're no friends of mine
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia [Confirmation Phase]
Post by: Pesco on February 26, 2011, 10:30:20 PM
/confirm
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia [Confirmation Phase]
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 26, 2011, 10:31:12 PM
2nd to confirm here!

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Or not :(

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:( :( :(
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia [Confirmation Phase]
Post by: Shadoweh on February 26, 2011, 10:38:35 PM
/confirmed
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia [Confirmation Phase]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 26, 2011, 10:51:05 PM
/confirm
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia [Confirmation Phase]
Post by: WHMZakeri on February 26, 2011, 11:13:07 PM
Double confirmed.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia [Confirmation Phase]
Post by: Schezo on February 26, 2011, 11:32:51 PM
Appear in a burst of maple leaves and /confirm.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia [Confirmation Phase]
Post by: Polaris on February 26, 2011, 11:35:42 PM
/confirm
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia [Confirmation Phase]
Post by: Bardiche on February 27, 2011, 12:03:47 AM
I am justice, Gundam, and confirmed.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia [Confirmation Phase]
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on February 27, 2011, 12:07:24 AM
With only two players left to confirm, the day begins now.

..:::Day 1:::..
.::Active Day Effects::.

.::Upcoming Day Effects::.

You have until 4:00 PM on March 1st to decide on a lynch, with this timestamp of course being in Pacific Standard Time (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_US-CA.aspx), as that is the timezone I am in. With thirteen votes in play, it takes seven to hammer.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on February 27, 2011, 12:18:23 AM
## Vote huh what for ending Day 1 on a day that doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on February 27, 2011, 12:19:45 AM
My mental faculties are not all here today. It used to say February 26th.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on February 27, 2011, 12:31:23 AM
Confirmed.

##vote pesco

Initial Reply Cerebral Cheats!
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 27, 2011, 12:33:33 AM
##Vote Kitten4u
Idiot Princesses, there can only be one.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 27, 2011, 12:36:11 AM
And I shall vote no.2 on the list!

##Vote: Hanged Hourai!
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Schezo on February 27, 2011, 12:38:43 AM
##Vote: Caedo

For not reading the rules.  There can be more than one!
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Hanged Hourai on February 27, 2011, 12:38:55 AM
##Vote: Conqueror

My country shall not be overrun!
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: WHMZakeri on February 27, 2011, 12:48:41 AM
I haven't eaten anything all day.

##Vote: Edible
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: PX on February 27, 2011, 12:54:01 AM
##Vote: Dormio

For team killing me
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on February 27, 2011, 12:55:05 AM
Red players are scum, you say?

##VOTE: Conqueror

There, on to Day2.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on February 27, 2011, 01:01:05 AM
:D All is forgiven. ##UNVOTE
Now to seize the outfit I have always dreamed of.
##VOTE WhiteMageChocobo
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on February 27, 2011, 01:02:39 AM
/confirmed

Jeez, you guys are way too fast.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on February 27, 2011, 01:03:32 AM
The Very First Vote Count
Pesco (1) - Edible
Kitten4u (1) - Dormio
Hanged Hourai (1) - Doll.S
Dormio (2) - Schezo, PX
Conqueror (2) - Hanged Hourai, Bardiche
Edible (1) - Zakeri
Zakeri (1) - Shadoweh
Not Voting: Kitten4u, Conqueror, Polaris, Pesco
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~63 hours left in the day.

Also, question. Would you all prefer that I used the typical handles of each player when writing votecounts or would it better if I used their current username? I'm currently going by the first, but if that inconveniences anybody I'm willing to change my ways.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on February 27, 2011, 01:05:28 AM
Also, question. Would you all prefer that I used the typical handles of each player when writing votecounts or would it better if I used their current username? I'm currently going by the first, but if that inconveniences anybody I'm willing to change my ways.

Please go by their usual handle.  For other players, please note that nick changing during a mafia game is frowned upon for reasons that should be self-explanatory.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: PX on February 27, 2011, 01:12:10 AM
Usual handle please
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on February 27, 2011, 01:18:13 AM
Usual handle is fine by me and more convenient then trying to vote using whatever characters Polaris is made of.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 27, 2011, 01:21:35 AM
Red players are scum, you say?

##VOTE: Conqueror

There, on to Day2.

What's the rush Bardiche?

Also, usual handle is fine with me.

<huhwhat> Fixed those tags for you.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 27, 2011, 01:22:44 AM
*Looks up at he mis-quote* Ah darn it.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Schezo on February 27, 2011, 01:45:16 AM
@Huh what:  I think how you are doing the vote count right now is fine.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on February 27, 2011, 01:46:09 AM
Alright, I'll just keep the votecounts like that one then. Carry on playing.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 27, 2011, 01:49:33 AM
Thanks huh what ^.^
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: PX on February 27, 2011, 01:50:19 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: Conquerer


Last to confirm is scum, come on people!
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 27, 2011, 01:57:48 AM
##Unvote
##Vote PX


Third to board a train is scum.
Also, OMGUS.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on February 27, 2011, 02:04:49 AM
##Vote Kitten

You went through all of last game without a vote!  >:(
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on February 27, 2011, 05:37:55 AM
##Vote Durrmio

Jerk
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 27, 2011, 06:34:36 AM
"Jerk" says the jerk calling other people jerks.
Seriously, you jerk.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 27, 2011, 06:50:46 AM
Jerky Jerk jerks. :V
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: WHMZakeri on February 27, 2011, 07:02:41 AM
Jerky

augh ... why am I so hungry?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on February 27, 2011, 08:25:56 AM
Okay, so I was hoping when I woke up we'd be finished RVSing each other since two people have tried to start real conversations. How about we stop jerking each other around and make something productive of the first 24 hours?

Conqueror, you have three votes on you because you were the last to confirm, please address this issue. Also
K4U did get exactly one vote from Pesco during the RVS stage so you're not changing anything.

K4U please exist that would be great. If you lurk as much during this game as the last one I will make it my personal mission to lynch you by Day 2. That goes for all you lurkscum.

Hey PX what's wrong, didn't want to keep any votes on Dormio for too long? He didn't seem to like that, is it still an OMGUS if you wait for the second someone unvotes you to vote them?

Zakeri, you are hungry for actual discussion! Which you aren't providing by engaging in this flavourless nonsense. Vote stays.

*Blatant Setup Speculation*
Guys, we need to actually make something of Day 1. We have no idea what these Upcoming Day Effects are but today is the only day we can guarentee playing like a normal Mafia Game. If it's related to the rules that we apparently represent, what do you think will happen if we lynch the rule that lets us vote?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Schezo on February 27, 2011, 08:49:46 AM
So, you're calling out people for not showing up yet, bullshit happening on random voting and then keeping your vote on someone for the weakest reason you have to try and convict someone?

##Unvote:
##Vote: Shadoweh
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Schezo on February 27, 2011, 08:56:14 AM
EBWOP: And, are those last two lines of yours trying to rolefish?  Because that's what it feels like.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 27, 2011, 09:05:07 AM
##Unvote
Okay, taking out my random vote.


Shadoweh: You say you hope the RVS is over, yet you vote and keep your vote on Zakeri for pretty much a random reason.


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What Schezo said too.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on February 27, 2011, 10:11:42 AM
Quote from: Schezo
So, you're calling out people for not showing up yet, bullshit happening on random voting and then keeping your vote on someone for the weakest reason you have to try and convict someone?
EBWOP: And, are those last two lines of yours trying to rolefish?  Because that's what it feels like.
Don't you EBWOP me. Does that really seem like the weakest reason to you? On a scale of being bandwagoned, actually throwing votes around, and active lurking you think active lurking is the least of reasons? Unfortunately I don't have three votes so I can't vote Zakeri, Pesco and Doll at once and must choose the one that bothers me the most until more posts or lack thereof are made.
Unless the setup is a person I don't think I can rolefish it. I'm also pretty sure thinking about the setup won't reveal your role so I don't know what your problem is.

Dormio: Thanks for repeating what Schezo said. See above for for reply. And oh hey your second vote is cast to the wind too for no reason whatsoever since you didn't feel the need to vote me in the same post. Are you going for the waffling Day 1 record?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 27, 2011, 10:33:25 AM
The reason doesn't seem very strong to me, yes.
You voted for Zakeri randomly.
:D All is forgiven. ##UNVOTE
Now to seize the outfit I have always dreamed of.
##VOTE WhiteMageChocobo
And then you're keeping your vote on him because he made two posts about him being hungry while most of us still seemed to be joking around.
I'd say that it's definitly not a strong reason.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on February 27, 2011, 10:56:48 AM
All I can say to the last few posts is

Lolwut

We've got good reactions to start working with there. Carry on.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on February 27, 2011, 01:02:27 PM
Conqueror, you have three votes on you because you were the last to confirm, please address this issue.

Are you honestly telling someone to address jokevotes?

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Shadoweh


I mean, seriously? And voting Zakeri for not creating actual discussion when you are not doing it either? Going around telling someone to respond to jokevotes, that someone shouldn't lurk at the start of the game and that someone should go create actual discussion is not really kosher when you've been doing nothing to progress discussion before voting Zakeri.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on February 27, 2011, 01:02:55 PM
EBWOP: Nothing to progress discussion before refining your vote on Zakeri into a serious vote*
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on February 27, 2011, 02:14:59 PM
True story, reading Pesco's post gave me enough of a headache to cure my insomnia for two hours.

Dormio: For the opening hours of Day 1 I felt it was a strong enough case to stir up discussion. Out of the three I would have chosen, Pesco started it with a vote so it was possible he was merely trying to start discussion (I no longer believe this) and Doll just seems to be like that. Both Zakeri and Doll's post sounded like "Me too, PS I'm here!" I would vote Doll as a player but we're trying to find scum. I didn't vote you or PX because I didn't think you were still trying to RVS and I think less of you now. Can you explain to me why you unvoted instead of giving PX a chance to reply to your vote on him?

Bardiche: I would prefer Conqueror at least notice the wagon on him instead of posting another joke vote, yes. At this point though I think there are better things to talk about. I'd also point out K4U is the only person that hasn't posted yet after confirmation and I'm sure she's been around by now. I completely understand not wanting to post in the first day. I didn't want to either. But not posting isn't going to help us find scum.
I also think I've managed to stir up lots of discussion, which was the point of that post. I wish it wasn't about voting for me but it's still discussion. Speaking of discussion, can you tell me what you think of Pesco's post?
All I can say to the last few posts is
Lolwut
We've got good reactions to start working with there. Carry on.
I think this is the definition of cheerleading. It even comes without a wagon attached! Combined with my earlier feelings on him it feels to me like Mr.Tewi is AOK with spending Day 1 taking it easy.  I intend to keep voting Zakeri until he responds but unless he does something phenomenal like roleclaim scum I intend to switch to Pesco.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on February 27, 2011, 02:54:14 PM
Lolwut again.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on February 27, 2011, 03:44:51 PM
Shadoweh pls keep posting. I'd like to see what you're up to.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on February 27, 2011, 03:48:07 PM
...Why? I don't have anything else to say yet. Perhaps if you were to contribute something besides 'lolwut' I would?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on February 27, 2011, 03:49:42 PM
You haven't finished spelling your word.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on February 27, 2011, 04:02:15 PM
At least you're reading my posts. Truth be told I wasn't sure how well this would work or how observant other players are here. Call it a test run. However if you were really just watching me for that reason then I would appreciate it if you posted something of content now. You obviously read what I think of your behaviour at this moment and I think you're doing it on purpose.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on February 27, 2011, 04:03:54 PM
Honest opinion: I think your analysis is all derp right now. The people you're accusing of lurking are probably still asleep.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on February 27, 2011, 04:14:43 PM
I don't blame you people for being awake all day don't blame me for being up all night. I don't expect responses from alot of those people for at least 6-8 more hours and I'm willing to be patient as long as people actually post content when they're here.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on February 27, 2011, 05:11:39 PM
Shadoweh's attempt to make something of nothing in ED1 smacks of noble intent to me.  A bit misguided, perhaps, but his heart's in the right place for now.  I know too well the pain of being bored as hell at night when there's mafia to play.

I Would Like To Hear From K4U On The Matter?.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Thata no Guykoro on February 27, 2011, 07:02:56 PM
Because more votecounts are always fun!

A Second Vote Count!
Pesco (1) - Edible
Kitten4u (1) - Dormio, Conquerer
Hanged Hourai (1) - Doll.S
Dormio (1) - Schezo, PX, Pesco
Conqueror (2) - Hanged Hourai, Bardiche, PX
Edible (1) - Zakeri
Zakeri (1) - Shadoweh
PX (0) - Dormio
Shadoweh (2) - Schezo, Bardiche
Not Voting: Kitten4u, Polaris, Dormio
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~53 hours left in the day.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on February 27, 2011, 07:03:31 PM
@Shadoweh
I was last to confirm because I wasn't at my computer when the game started. I was last to confirm...by an hour. Not sure what point you're trying to make here.

As for K4U, it's always nice to have a post from her, even if she does naturally lurk a lot. I'd like to point out neither Polaris or K4U have posted since confirmation, as you missed the former in your previous post. However, they still have a lot of time to post, so I'll be waiting on them.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: WHMZakeri on February 27, 2011, 07:59:24 PM
Quote from: Shadoweh, Post 51
Both Zakeri and Doll's post sounded like "Me too, PS I'm here!"
And what exactly about this makes me or Doll.S scum, as oppose to anything else. Just because we're divided only into teams of Mafia and not-mafia does not mean every effect seen inside the game is a result of the person being one of those two things. Sometimes, a person will say "I'm here." Simply because, for example, they are here.

Quote from:  Shadowmen, same post
I think [Pesco's statement about reactions] is the definition of cheerleading.
No, It's not. I don't recall Pesco asking people to lynch you. He may be expecting people to vote you, but that's different from wanting them to lynch you.

Edible and Conqueror's comments on Kitten (and Polaris in the latter case) strike a little too close to opinion sniping. I'm keeping an eye on where they both take it.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on February 27, 2011, 08:06:10 PM
Opinion sniping?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on February 27, 2011, 08:15:26 PM
Edible is a camper. Just look at him reading the topic with his online status hidden :V

Well, as Zak pointed out, what Edible is doing is a better example of cheerleading. Shadow makes a bunch of derp namedrops and it becomes a trend for people to follow in pressing the dumb leads. Thar's lazy scumhunting.

##Unvote
##Vote Edible


Btw Edible, you suck :P
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 27, 2011, 08:20:01 PM
Not Voting: Kitten4u, Polaris
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~53 hours left in the day. [/color]
Shouldn't I be on the not voting list too?

Dormio: For the opening hours of Day 1 I felt it was a strong enough case to stir up discussion. Out of the three I would have chosen, Pesco started it with a vote so it was possible he was merely trying to start discussion (I no longer believe this) and Doll just seems to be like that. Both Zakeri and Doll's post sounded like "Me too, PS I'm here!" I would vote Doll as a player but we're trying to find scum. I didn't vote you or PX because I didn't think you were still trying to RVS and I think less of you now. Can you explain to me why you unvoted instead of giving PX a chance to reply to your vote on him?
I voted PX simply because he voted for me earlier.
And because the third to board a bus is always scum.
He had no previous votes on him and it didn't look like he was going to get any more any time soon so I could put my vote there and change it later.
After all, there were still around seventy hours left in the day when I posted that.

Anyway, I just woke up and I have to get ready to go to uni.
Hopefully I'll have more to contribute once my brain is working and I have more time.


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Gddmt people.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: WHMZakeri on February 27, 2011, 08:23:57 PM
Getting an early death in on somebody who had yet to provide any useful opinions. It's sort of like lynching the person everyone wants lynched anyway, except on the opposite side of the scale, and slightly less apocalyptic in terms of information gathering.

Again, I'd have to wait to see where you go with this, so I probably shouldn't have given out the warning.

Cut: Dormio, Shadoweh appears to be asking why you unvoted, but you only explained why you voted.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 27, 2011, 08:30:09 PM
I really shouldn't be on here right now.
Anyway, I unvoted because I voted PX for a random reason and there was no reason to keep my vote on him if actual discussions were going to start.
I mean, I wouldn't want to accidentally contribute to a random hammer or anything while I was away.
I know it's not likely to happen but just in case.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on February 27, 2011, 08:31:29 PM
Well, as Zak pointed out, what Edible is doing is a better example of cheerleading. Shadow makes a bunch of derp namedrops and it becomes a trend for people to follow in pressing the dumb leads. Thar's lazy scumhunting.

Lazy scumhunting ED1 is better than "lolwut :popcorn:", which was up until now your entire contribution to the topic.  You have little right to pass judgement at the moment.  And as noted below, Zak pointed out something else entirely, so please don't put words in his mouth.

Getting an early death in on somebody who had yet to provide any useful opinions. It's sort of like lynching the person everyone wants lynched anyway, except on the opposite side of the scale, and slightly less apocalyptic in terms of information gathering.

Oh, okay.  I was just prodding her in a semi-joking manner.  Since, y'know - slept through the whole previous game and was scum, and all that. <_<
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on February 27, 2011, 08:33:16 PM
Wasn't putting words in his mouth. Those be MY words that you're worth voting for.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on February 27, 2011, 08:34:47 PM
Conqueror: I was more hoping you would comment on what you think of multiple people voting you for it. Feel free to comment on the rest of the game too though. I didn't mention Polaris because.. I thought he'd posted.. huh. He hasn't posted either and I was in error. My comments are now directed towards both of them. If I seem extra paranoid about lurkers it's because the rules are extra friendly to them this game.

Zakeri: By continuing to joke around after two people have switched votes and started posting reasons for voting besides 'Jerk', the RVS is prolonged and less actual Mafia Game is happening. Yes I am referring to PX and Dormio's posts. No I don't care if they didn't mean to be taken seriously. (PX still might have)
Is cheerleading the wrong word? From my understanding it means when someone encourages other people to present cases to each other without giving any input themselves and this is what I meant when I said it. Also, considering the amount of negative attention my post generated I think 'Carry on.' could be interpreted as 'Please get lynched.'

As I said before though this is sufficient content  to make me feel comfortable with a UNVOTE and I still feel Pesco was being dodgey. I also feel he slightly misrepped me by saying "The people you're accusing of lurking" when I was only accusing one person of not posting at all. VOTE Pesco and I will be having people over for about ten hours so don't expect much input from me until tonight.

A-also I'm not insulted or anything but I'm a she.

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Why are you all here when I have to go -.- I will try to look at this in an hour and see if I still want to Vote Pesco after this.

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Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on February 27, 2011, 08:41:45 PM
Wasn't putting words in his mouth.

Well, as Zak pointed out, what Edible is doing is a better example of cheerleading.

Edible and Conqueror's comments on Kitten (and Polaris in the latter case) strike a little too close to opinion sniping. I'm keeping an eye on where they both take it.

Zak didn't point anything of the sort out.  You used his statement falsely as a leadin for your own statement - putting words in his mouth.  I mean, that's exactly, blatantly what you did.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 27, 2011, 08:43:40 PM
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Hahaha. Derp.
I just realized, since this is the first week of uni, a lot of the classes aren't on.
Which means that I have another eight hours until I have to go.
I'll reread and try to make a post after I get some stuff done.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on February 27, 2011, 08:47:08 PM
I'm still voting you for what I said.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 27, 2011, 08:49:34 PM
Just woke up and now I'm hit with a wall of text, gah!

##Unvote: Hanged Hourai

Anyway Shadoweh, it was just a joke vote, no one really thinks about votes they accumulated in RVS unless it looked serious....I think.

Warning - while you were typing 3 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

:V
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on February 27, 2011, 08:53:46 PM
I'm still voting you for what I said.

Funny, when you said that, I originally read it as:

"Ignore the part where I tried to use Zak to back up my vote."

Woah, it's almost like the same line entirely!  Except with more blatantly obvious misdirection.

A-also I'm not insulted or anything but I'm a she.

If there's anything I'm good at, it's getting people's genders confused.

Oh, and catching pesco as scum D1!  I guess I'm good at that too.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on February 27, 2011, 08:55:55 PM
FPMH >> IRCC

Edinoob :V
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on February 27, 2011, 08:57:18 PM
Man, I did that as a joke!  I didn't think you'd actually turn out to be scum.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 27, 2011, 09:15:07 PM
Pesco's scum?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on February 27, 2011, 09:23:22 PM
Sure, why not.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 27, 2011, 09:30:43 PM
My brain is really refusing to work right now.
I'm tempted right now to put a vote on Kitten or Polaris because it's been close to twenty four hours without a post from them.
Although I don't really like Shadoweh's arguments, I don't think she is scum right now.
Of course I could be completely wrong and Shadoweh is simply trying to form mobs against people that aren't herself or her scum partner(s?).

Warning - while you were typing 2 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
:V
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 27, 2011, 09:42:14 PM
........Dormio, you kinda sound like me on my first Mafia game, which is kinda weird.

Anyway, nothing really solid has come up yet except that apparently Pesco's scum, but I'll hold my vote for now.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on February 27, 2011, 09:44:36 PM
##Link Edible
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on February 27, 2011, 09:45:28 PM
I have escaped just long enough to read over this headache thread and I still want to ##VOTE Pesco. I also want to ##Unlimited Dayvig Doll but I don't appear to be that rule. Even if you are correct Doll don't answer for other people. Also, perhaps you could add your own opinion to the thread.

Dormio: So your vote was a placeholder? I can understand that but your excuse for unvoting isn't a good one from my perspective. I would appreciate it if you voted someone sooner then later.

Warning - while you were typing 2 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Doll posted! And yet my statement still stands. WHO DO YOU THINK IS SCUM?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on February 27, 2011, 09:47:00 PM
Don't think you should be saying you want to vote someone when you go ahead and do it anyway.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 27, 2011, 09:51:03 PM
Dormio: So your vote was a placeholder? I can understand that but your excuse for unvoting isn't a good one from my perspective. I would appreciate it if you voted someone sooner then later.
Wait.
So.
You don't want people voting randomly, yet you want me to keep my random vote?
What?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 27, 2011, 09:59:42 PM
No one really, it's still early in D1 and I have no idea what's happening with Pesco and Edible.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on February 27, 2011, 10:16:29 PM
##Link Edible

He come to town, come to saaaave the Princess Zelda~

Seriously though, what is this? :V

No one really, it's still early in D1 and I have no idea what's happening with Pesco and Edible.

Apparently neither do I!  Well, except the "pesco's scummier than anyone else" bit.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on February 27, 2011, 10:26:13 PM
Caedo, you are seriously going to default to LAL?

Shadoweh, acknowledging people jokevoted you is silly. There's no defence you can mount and insisting people do so, even going so far as to vote them for it, is downright weird and reeks of trying waaaay too hard. However, it has since ceased to be the interesting thing in the table, as other stuff has arisen.

These other things on the table being Pesco<->Edible conversation which honestly feels weird. When Zak accused Edible of "opinion sniping", I had no idea what this meant. Pesco taking it as "cheerleading" is baffling, but subtracting the Zak part from his case, you're still left with little. How exactly is Edible "cheerleading"? There are no real prevalent vote trains except those made in the jokevote phase, which I discredit on behalf of jokevote phase.

Edible clearing Shadoweh in one post and then continuing by saying he's going to just wait for Kitten strikes me as a passive attitude, one which I am not keen to see in my town. I am glad, at least, that he has since improved on that.

I agree that Kitten needs to exist. So should Polaris. But at this juncture, I feel it's too early to hunt people who've not existed yet. Doll and Conqueror strike me as more serious problems; Doll with a terrible post to content ratio, Conquerer with the same passive stance Edible took at first, minus an opinion on Shadoweh.

And while I can somewhat understand Doll's floundering (read: it's Doll-like), I cannot entirely grasp the reason Conquerer wants to sit back. Why do you need to wait on the two lurkers? What's your opinion on Shadoweh?

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Conquerer
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 27, 2011, 10:39:10 PM
What does LAL stand for?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Hanged Hourai on February 27, 2011, 10:43:34 PM
Good morning guys. How's it goi-
Oh dear. What is going on here?

Let me see hyah.

Shadow-
Wanted to get the game going. Successful, but aimed the gun at herself by taking early stages of the game way too srsly by calling people out for jokevotes and playing around. Though I do like Dormio's #47 combined with how Shadow hadn't changed her vote. Suspicious, but not yet vote-worthy in my eyes.

#51: Asks an opinion from Bard on Pesco's post. This achieves nothing. Asking opinions on "lolwut" is not scumhunting and will not benefit town now or ever.

#56: Calls his posts a "test run" and over analyzes Pesco waaaaaay too much with no evidence. Gives me the impression of mudslinging.

#58: Expects people to show up in a few hours, willing to be patient.  This directly contradicts her #42, where she calls out K4U, wanting her to post soon. I'm personally not a fan of these kinds of contradictions.

#70: Wants more opinions on jokevotes. =[
And keeps her vote right where it is. Really? There's no one scummier after all this? Have your opinions not changed yet?

Shadow, how much previous experience do you have with Mafia?

------------

Pescoco-
A bunch of one-liners. To be expected, because, ya know, it's Pesco. But not much scumhunting in his words. From what I've seen, he jokes and hunts simultaneously, which is not going on now.
Considers Shadow a derp. Meh, I can see where the sentiment is coming from, but I don't agree.

I like the point Edible makes on Pesco using Zak. I also see how Pesco dodges the question entirely by joking around and ignores it.

----------------

Doll-
Do not ignore questions.
WHO DO YOU THINK IS SCUM?

You ignored questions before when you were scum, and you are doing it now. I want words. Good words.

----------------

No further opinions on others yet.
And now, if you excuse me, Imma vote for who I find scummiest.

##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh


Votecount plz.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on February 27, 2011, 10:46:04 PM
You don't want people voting randomly, yet you want me to keep my random vote?
I'm saying I think having a vote on someone is better then not voting anyone at all. I think you should put your vote on whoever you think is scummiest now that discussion has taken off. LAL is Lynch All Lurkers.

Bardiche: I understand not wanting to lynch lurkers on Day 1 but consider that according to the rules lurkers don't need to post more then once a Mafia Day. If one of them had posted during the RVS they wouldn't have needed to post again until deadline. If we're going to let them stay we need to make sure there's a commitment to lynch them starting Day 2 and I'm not getting a sense of commitment from this game. The rest of your post is comments I've agreed with already, except I didn't vote for Conqueror, merely asked for more input.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on February 27, 2011, 10:48:41 PM
Lynch All Lurkers. It means you're going to lynch someone based on how much they lurk. Usually comes with suspecting said lurker of being scum by avoiding (vital) discussions.

Ninja by Shadoweh: I consider LAL a strategy to be employed in D2, not D1. Should the day carry on without input from Polaris and/or Kitten, I would consider it more scummy. At the moment, there could be all sorts of reasons for their delayed input, so I don't find it a worthy cause to hold back until they arrive (providing nothing in the mean time yourself, a serious flaw), or to vote them for not being here yet.

We can always attend ourselves to them come later the day.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on February 27, 2011, 10:49:13 PM
Vote Count the Third
Pesco (1) - Edible
Kitten4u (1) - Dormio, Conquerer
Hanged Hourai (0) - Doll.S
Dormio (0) - Schezo, PX, Pesco
Conqueror (2) - Hanged Hourai, Bardiche, PX, Bardiche
Edible (2) - ZakeriPesco
Zakeri (1) - Shadoweh
PX (0) - Dormio
Shadoweh (2) - Schezo, Bardiche, Hanged Hourai
Not Voting: Kitten4u, Polaris, Dormio, Doll.S
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~49 hours left in the day.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 27, 2011, 10:53:11 PM
I said I was tempted to, not that I was going to.
I'll make a proper post after I'm done with DotS.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 27, 2011, 10:58:33 PM
Doll-
Do not ignore questions.
You ignored questions before when you were scum, and you are doing it now. I want words. Good words.

I have escaped just long enough to read over this headache thread and I still want to ##VOTE Pesco. I also want to ##Unlimited Dayvig Doll but I don't appear to be that rule. Even if you are correct Doll don't answer for other people. Also, perhaps you could add your own opinion to the thread.

Dormio: So your vote was a placeholder? I can understand that but your excuse for unvoting isn't a good one from my perspective. I would appreciate it if you voted someone sooner then later.

Warning - while you were typing 2 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Doll posted! And yet my statement still stands. WHO DO YOU THINK IS SCUM?

No one really, it's still early in D1 and I have no idea what's happening with Pesco and Edible.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Hanged Hourai on February 27, 2011, 11:00:01 PM
So basically nothing. You have nothing to add?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 27, 2011, 11:06:05 PM
Well, Shadoweh is really pushing it, but I just put Shadoweh as an really active town then scum.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on February 28, 2011, 12:09:28 AM
@Bard
I'm reading Shadoweh as a heavyhanded townie with good intentions. I don't see anything wrong with trying to make some useful discussion. As for the lurkers, I'm willing to put them on the backburner until D2, sure.

Anyway, opinions time.

Doll has made a decent number of posts in the thread but hasn't put out any stances besides the one on Shadoweh and has admitted as such. Yet you seemed to have a "solid" opinion (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg564865.html#msg564865) before on the Pesco-Edible thingamabobber, so could you elaborate more on that?

Speaking of which, I don't understand how Pesco is voting Edible while accusing him of cheerleading, seeing as Pesco's content has otherwise consisted of writing off Shadoweh's entire effort is derp. You're just as guilty as Edible of general passivity. Posts like this one (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg564824.html#msg564824) don't really help get your point across. Why exactly are you voting Edible?

Meanwhile, Dormio's stance on Shadoweh strikes me as very wishy washy. He seems to be pressuring Shadoweh in his posts, but then leaves his vote hanging in the air. Then he says he doesn't think Shadoweh is scum (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg564855.html#msg564855), but in the same post he says: wait, maybe she is scum, which gives us no useful information on his stance! Could you please elaborate on the matter? Why do you or do you not think Shadoweh is scum?

##Unvote
##Vote:Dormio


Some incentive for your post.
Also, DotA > DotS. :V
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 28, 2011, 12:19:08 AM
........Dormio, you kinda sound like me on my first Mafia game, which is kinda weird.

Anyway, nothing really solid has come up yet except that apparently Pesco's scum, but I'll hold my vote for now.

In other words, I had no clue whats going on. :V
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 28, 2011, 12:20:23 AM
Also I will be going now and won't be showing up till sometime tomorrow or maybe tonight...

Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 28, 2011, 12:56:30 AM
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Meanwhile, Dormio's stance on Shadoweh strikes me as very wishy washy. He seems to be pressuring Shadoweh in his posts, but then leaves his vote hanging in the air. Then he says he doesn't think Shadoweh is scum (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg564855.html#msg564855), but in the same post he says: wait, maybe she is scum, which gives us no useful information on his stance! Could you please elaborate on the matter? Why do you or do you not think Shadoweh is scum?
I should have phrased that post a lot better.
Mi brain no worky.
Currently, I don't think that Shadoweh is scum.
I could be wrong about this but I don't think that I am.


Also, DotA > DotS. :V
No. Get out. :flamingv:

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Gddmn I can't organize my thoughts for some reason.
Over 30 minutes because I can't think of how to say what I want to say.
And I still don't think I said it adequately.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on February 28, 2011, 12:59:55 AM
Apologies for 400 word post.
Shadow-
#51: Asks an opinion from Bard on Pesco's post. This achieves nothing. Asking opinions on "lolwut" is not scumhunting and will not benefit town now or ever.

#56: Calls his posts a "test run" and over analyzes Pesco waaaaaay too much with no evidence. Gives me the impression of mudslinging.

#58: Expects people to show up in a few hours, willing to be patient.  This directly contradicts her #42, where she calls out K4U, wanting her to post soon. I'm personally not a fan of these kinds of contradictions.

#70: Wants more opinions on jokevotes. =[
And keeps her vote right where it is. Really? There's no one scummier after all this? Have your opinions not changed yet?

Shadow, how much previous experience do you have with Mafia?

This is my first game of Mafia. My knowledge of names and terms is based off of reading all the MotK archives and the mafiascum wiki.

#51: I disagree. I found it curious that Bard didn't think there was anything unusual about Pesco taking a laid-back approach.
#56: I don't think you understand what we were talking about by test run because it wasn't my posts. I mean everything I've said.
#58: No matter how much I yell at 3am people aren't going to magically wake up and post for me. That was aimed more at Zakeri since I had my vote on him and was waiting for a response still. I already think Polaris and K4U are taking too long and I've stated my intentions there.
#70: I fully intented to vote in that post on my way out. I was ninja'd by a mountain of posts including Pesco posting an opinion so I put off voting until I could come back in an hour to read it. I did so and voted him in post #91 which I had posted by the time you wrote this so I'm not sure why you skipped that one since it answers your question. Since Pesco hasn't posted anything of value since then my vote is getting comfortable on his face. I also don't know how to feel about whatever's going on with him and Edible right now but it's not filling me with good feelings.

Still want to vig Doll. When you show up tomorrow please post something that's a real opinion of your own.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 28, 2011, 01:12:14 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot to add:
I think you should put your vote on whoever you think is scummiest now that discussion has taken off.
##Vote Pesco

Why?
I don't like how his only response to Shadoweh's attempt to start discussion was "lolwut".
Nor do I like how he just completely glossed over the fact that he tried to use Zakeri to justify a vote on Edible.


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Gddmn. Work, brain, work.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Schezo on February 28, 2011, 04:32:51 AM
My thoughts so far:

Pesco and Edible ordeal: I can see where Pesco's point of edible cheer leading on Shadoweh , but at the same time, I can see where edible's 71 comes from.  The 71 post about misrepresentation strikes a bad vibe in me though, I'm not sure which side to take and place a vote on right now, so I'll wait a bit longer to form a better opinion.

Shadoweh: After letting her go with what I originally said earlier, she still went on and seems to be trying a bit too hard to try and dig up some so crap about people.  I have no idea why she wants a vig on Doll when Polaris and Kitten have put up the same amount of crap, nothing.  Yet she still kept pressing the jokevoting stuff like it's a legitimate argument on Conqueror.  The blatant contradiction on her wanting to be paitent and then calling people out in a few hours don't help, it kinda seems like he's panicking, even though there is still plenty of time left in the day.  Even though at this point Polly and Kitten are getting toward the lurk territory, I still don't see it a problem yet, like Shadoweh is so keen on going off of.  The vig thing, when there are other people in the same boat, but Doll takes the blame for actually posting, is what helped keep my vote on her.

Hanged Hourai: When you said Shadoweh's 51 opinion on Bard, while however misguided as hell it may be, she asked more than just the, "lol whut" Pesco thing.  While I almost agree with your statement about him not making town progress, she did pull us out of RVS, but taking only one of the few things she asked and using such strong diction as, "This achieves nothing. Asking opinions on "lolwut" is not scumhunting and will not benefit town now or ever." (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg564918.html#msg564918) strikes a wrong note with me.  If Shadoweh hadn't added on to acting suspicious, I'd be willing to write her off as misguided town and move on.  The whole Doll not ignoring questions thing also makes me double take, maybe you just missed it but it seems like you were setting up a target to go after later, even though Doll isn't all cleared with no contributions at all either.  Not over the top, besides those few things, but it makes me think.

Dormio: I'm finding that I agree almost completely with Bardiches 88 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg564905.html#msg564905) and Conqueror's 98. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg565143.html#msg565143)  You have taken a passive aggressive stance towards most of what has been put out today and to try to fix that, you decide your game plan is Lynch all Lurkers, which hasn't really got to that stage of the game yet, being only the first 24 hours of day one and people can still have a reason for not showing up at this point.  Day 2 I can understand but coupled with your wishywashyness on Shadoweh; not good.  You randomly don't think he's scum because...what?  Why does she get a clear, in your eyes?  Then he comes up with the vote on Pesco, which is starting to form an opinion on people, but can we get some more of what you think of anyone else?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: PX on February 28, 2011, 04:46:54 AM
I'm bac--- OH FUCKING GOD, WTF DID I JUST WALK INTO?!

Post 42 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg564522.html#msg564522)
Trying to figure this post out.... Agree, Conquerer say something instead of random voting. Meh, D1 lurkers.
Quote from: Shadoweh
Hey PX what's wrong, didn't want to keep any votes on Dormio for too long? He didn't seem to like that, is it still an OMGUS if you wait for the second someone unvotes you to vote them?
Are you taunting me? I don't like that. Also, this entire line doesn't make sense. Neither does the next one. Vote on Zakeri obviously sucks. Also, I'm pretty sure lynching the rule doesn't remove the ruuuuuuuru outright from the game.

Alright Schezo! Wait, rolefish? Wtf are you talking about. Why does every game have to be about rolefishing?

First page: Shadoweh overreacting and expanding/fluffing/etc.(can't find the word I'm looking for) things way too much. Pesco, you suck. Schezo, stop using rolefishing.

Okay, and finished reading.

Shadoweh looks like she's trying, but it's just confusing me reading her posts. Also, you're vote didn't count because 1) You didn't unvote 2) Please do it on a separate line instead of in a paragraph, it's easier to see

Hourai: Stop playing detective and recapping things. It looks like you're not trying to scumhunt to me. Also, I find post by post analysis doesn't really help me.
Quote
#56: Calls his posts a "test run" and over analyzes Pesco waaaaaay too much with no evidence. Gives me the impression of mudslinging.
I don't see that. At all.
Quote
#70: Wants more opinions on jokevotes. =[
I have no idea where you are seeing this.
Seriously, you're coming up with some weird reasons, and it makes me think you're just trying to push a D1 Shadoweh lynch

Doll: Derp on a derp? No opinions on anything.

Lurkers Pesco's Cat and ポラリス: Please do something. PLEASE!!!!!!!

Pesco: You still suck. Doing nothing, and then trying to use Zak's words to push your vote, then avoiding it completely when it was proved Zak's words were not intended that way.

Dormio: I can see stuff against him not putting his vote on Shadoweh, but that's not really damning in my eyes.

Btw, cut by Schezo's post.
Why did you link Bard's 88? He said he was tempted to, not that he was definitively going to LAL.

##Unvote
##Vote: Pesco

Hourai would be my second vote, if I had one.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Schezo on February 28, 2011, 04:59:28 AM
I linked Bard's post because it also made some good points on the Kitten and Polaris needing to exist now and it's too early to run after the no shows at this point.

The rolefish thing.  It's not too overly important now since Shadoweh went a completely different way than I was expecting him to go but I felt that by saying, "what do you think will happen if we lynch the rule that lets us vote?" was just waiting for someone to come out and go, "Oh town gets a penalty" or something related to their power, since everyone has one like huh what said earlier.  Not that anyone would, but I thought she would keep pressing it.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on February 28, 2011, 05:42:26 AM
I'll make an expanded post later.

Skim read picks up some possible scum jumping on me, e.g. Dormio or PX.

I've linked Edible already, no need for me to keep voting him. Gonna switch with my bigger post.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 28, 2011, 05:43:57 AM
Well, I'm back earlier then I thought, and here's what I got to say so far:

@Shadoweh: Like Schezo said, there are other lurkers then me and what I posted in 81 and 97 was my opinion, which was basically nothing really. Also, doesn't vig mean vigilantly kill? Why would you want to do that so early in the game? (*Tears up* And to me too :()

@Dormio: Your reminding me of myself on my first mafia game so much it's creepy....

I still have no idea what happened with Pesco and Edible but they didn't really post much to get anything from them really.

As for my vote, it's really leaning towards Shadoweh now, with still asking for my opinion even though I gave it, which isn't much I admit but that's all I have...
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Schezo on February 28, 2011, 06:07:21 AM
PX: You say, "Shadoweh overreacting and expanding/fluffing/etc.(can't find the word I'm looking for) things way too much." yet you don't see it at all when Hourai says it with, "#56: Calls his posts a "test run" and over analyzes Pesco waaaaaay too much with no evidence. Gives me the impression of mudslinging."  What's up with the blatant contradiction in your post?  It may not have been that particular post that was overfluffing stuff but you just said yourself that's what Shadoweh was doing, yet you grilled Hourai for saying the same thing a different way. 

To Hourai's 70: What do you mean, "I have no idea where you are seeing this"?  Shadoweh blatantly put in his 70 post that, "I was more hoping you would comment on what you think of multiple people voting you for it."  How is that not still harping on how a few people joke voted him and she was treating it like it was actual evidence?  You may not have seen it that way, but saying you have no idea where that's coming from is really odd.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 28, 2011, 06:24:31 AM
Posting from campus with my laptop almost out of batteries and no powerpoint in sight.
Like a boss.


Dormio: I'm finding that I agree almost completely with Bardiches 88 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg564905.html#msg564905) and Conqueror's 98. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg565143.html#msg565143)  You have taken a passive aggressive stance towards most of what has been put out today and to try to fix that, you decide your game plan is Lynch all Lurkers, which hasn't really got to that stage of the game yet, being only the first 24 hours of day one and people can still have a reason for not showing up at this point.  Day 2 I can understand but coupled with your wishywashyness on Shadoweh; not good.  You randomly don't think he's scum because...what?  Why does she get a clear, in your eyes?  Then he comes up with the vote on Pesco, which is starting to form an opinion on people, but can we get some more of what you think of anyone else?
No, my game plan is not Lynch all Lurkers.
Shadoweh is getting a clear from me right now because she was the one that took the initiative to end the RVS phase.

Ok, battery is really dying.
Gonna post this and expand on it when I get home.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on February 28, 2011, 06:35:44 AM
Fuck protest action on campus. Still can't post.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kitten4u on February 28, 2011, 06:42:20 AM
Kitten4u lurking through ED1????????  WHAT MADNESS IS THIS?!  :V

Quote from: Shadoweh
K4U please exist that would be great. If you lurk as much during this game as the last one I will make it my personal mission to lynch you by Day 2. That goes for all you lurkscum.
I typically only post about three times D1 regardless of alignment.  I typically don't have much to say until D2 and I see little point in clogging the thread with useless junk that'll just make rereading later painful.  I also do not understand why you think LAL is a valid tactic D1 (it doesn't work like that).  I'm just going to chalk this up to being a new player though. 

The rest of the post is very silly, but totally townie in my opinion.  So much so that I am displeased with the mini-wagon that formed on her.

DollS: I've read the past games with you in them and...Well I think you should actually like play the game this time. :V  There will never be conclusive evidence that someone is scum, but we have to try to find them anyway.  So go back, read the game, and post some comments on the players.  Then pick the person you think is most likely to be scum, post a case, and vote them.  There is enough information out there to do this now.  I was ninjaed as I was typing this, but I don't really see much of a reason to edit it. 

Pesco: Out of the Pesco/Edible exchange I think Edible looks better.  Pesco, can you address this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg564812.html#msg564812) please?  The comment he highlighted bothers me and right now it looks like you're trying to back away from it.  Looking at the initial post you're only comments about Edible's scumminess were what he highlighted in that post, so I don't really get why you're voting for him?

##Vote Hanged Hourai

That entire post smells funny to me.  These points really bother me:
Quote from: Hourai
#51: Asks an opinion from Bard on Pesco's post. This achieves nothing. Asking opinions on "lolwut" is not scumhunting and will not benefit town now or ever.
Quote from: Hourai
#58: Expects people to show up in a few hours, willing to be patient.  This directly contradicts her #42, where she calls out K4U, wanting her to post soon. I'm personally not a fan of these kinds of contradictions.
Considering she just tried way too hard to pull us out of RVS I do not see how continuing to try way too hard to generate discussion is a scummy thing.  Explain please?
The second point is just silly.  That is not a meaningful contradiction, and I doubt it is a contradiction at all actually.  There is nothing wrong with wanting people to show up (though, if you think there is please explain).
I find it rather ironic that most of your case is on Shadoweh trying too hard.
The rest of it just reads as reportery to me.

Conqueror is a close second.  This post is terrible. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg564756.html#msg564756)  It said nothing about anything seriously.  The next one is a little better, but it's not really enough to make up for the horrible contained in the first.  Most of the stuff in there had been said elsewhere by someone else, and the only bit of original content, the things on Dormio, strike me as odd.

I also think Schezo is a little weird for reasons I can't quite put my finger on yet.  Being go with the flowish isn't quite it, but close I guess?  My ability to language goes away after 11 and I've been working on this post for way too long and it's getting way too long in general.  Not willing to lynch him yet, but IGMEOY.  I feel about the same way about PX.

For those that want me to post a lot...I'm sorry I guess?  It's just not how I roll.  I don't like to clutter up the thread with useless nonsense, so I only post when I have something to say.  It also takes me like an hour to put up a post (this post took about 2 for the record), so I don't always have time to sit down and put one up. :/
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on February 28, 2011, 06:52:55 AM
D1 Walls and D1 Votecounts
Pesco (3) - Edible, Dormio, PX
Kitten4u (1) - Dormio, Conquerer
Hanged Hourai (1.5) - Doll.S, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Kitten4u
Dormio (1) - Schezo, PX, Pesco, Conqueror
Conqueror (1) - Hanged Hourai, Bardiche, PX, Bardiche
Edible (2) - ZakeriPesco
Zakeri (1) - Shadoweh
PX (0) - Dormio
Shadoweh (2) - Schezo, Bardiche, Hanged Hourai
Not Voting: Polaris, Doll.S
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~41 hours left in the day.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: PX on February 28, 2011, 06:58:26 AM
Yes, that's my view of the first page(AKA first 50 posts), not the next 50 or so posts. Blatant contradiction? I was talking about her blowing things out of proportion in posts 42/46, not post 56. As for post 56

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At least you're reading my posts. Truth be told I wasn't sure how well this would work or how observant other players are here. Call it a test run. However if you were really just watching me for that reason then I would appreciate it if you posted something of content now. You obviously read what I think of your behaviour at this moment and I think you're doing it on purpose.

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Calls his posts a "test run" and over analyzes Pesco waaaaaay too much with no evidence. Gives me the impression of mudslinging.

All she says is that she wants Pesco to post and that she thinks Pesco is not posting anything of worth on purpose. Over analyze? Mudslinging?

Hourai on post 70

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Wants more opinions on jokevotes. =[

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"I was more hoping you would comment on what you think of multiple people voting you for it."

The post in question.

He was hoping. Is he pushing for more opinions? No.

Got anything else for me to disprove Schezo?

Cut by Kitten: Will address that later when I read it.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: PX on February 28, 2011, 06:58:47 AM
Orz, borked quote tags

<huhwhat> Fixed
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on February 28, 2011, 07:19:35 AM
Posting before school! Yeaaaah! I'll be concise. (lol Bard concise)

I see a Kitten4me post. This pleases Bard. The observation regarding the Shadoweh case is one I like in particular, as it was a point raised earlier by Edible and it still rings as true to me now as it did to me back then. That there are people on Shadoweh is not surprising, as one who moves always attracts attention, but it does leave the open question of what possible merit one could have from that?

I express some mild dissatisfaction with PX's defence of Shadoweh, however, as I feel players are well capable of defending themselves in their times of need. Further dissatisfaction arises from the accusation re: Pesco voting by "using Zak's words", whereas Pesco's case was, almost literally, "As Zak pointed out, Edible is a worse cheerleader". And while Zak did not point out any such thing, it looks like Pesco's own observation that Edible is cheerleading.

Never bother that I wholly disagree with Pesco and his stint with Edible, but the misrepresentation combined with a vote is flawed enough to cause my alarmbells to go off. Exactly how does Pesco's observation that "Edible is cheerleading" fall apart if Zakeri did not point this out at all, but it was merely something Pesco diagnosed himself?

For all that I find Pesco's case shoddy, the blatant bandwagon hop seems more egregious. Pesco being nonsensical is nothing out of the ordinary, so I will require further content from him to decide that he is now scummy for an erroneous observation. It was too poor to conceivably be of worth.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: PX


Conquerer's post has sufficiently pleased me that I see ill reason to further pressure him to talk. We have now had all players talk, with the exception of Polaris. Doll, Dermio, do you suppose you could make the effort to provide input? Your lack of convictions speak ill of you at present, as it shows a lack of commitment to the scumhunt. Pressure the scums and lay siege to the bastions of deceit.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 28, 2011, 08:07:21 AM
It's mainly because I lack good observation ability unless there's face involved and all I have to go for people is just vague feelings from when I read their posts.

And my feelings currently lean my vote towards Shadoweh.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 28, 2011, 08:49:16 AM
I'm going to wait for Pescar's expanded post before I say anything more about him.

Okay, I'm going to try one more time to say what I think about Shadoweh properly.
Shadoweh got us out of the RVS.
However, whilst doing so, some of the arguments and logic she used gave off a bit of a scummy air.
Currently I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt for now but I will still be watching her just as much as I am anyone else.

Kitten's arguments seem fairly solid to me, though I don't particularly like the :dwi: attitude towards low activity.

Polaris ???

Also, I'm wondering what the hell that half vote on Hourai from Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles is.
Are there more than one half votes in play?

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Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on February 28, 2011, 08:53:34 AM
Shadoweh's post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg564557.html#msg564557). Some people responded with a vote, some people said it was a bunch of stupid accusations, I said 'lolwut' and recognised what it was doing. How is that actually scummy?

Edible's post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg564685.html#msg564685) and Zak's callout (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg564781.html#msg564781) for opinion sniping. Why would Edible only call out Kitten for lurking? I find this strange because Edible definitely knows that making a comment telling Kitten to post is not going to make her come out. That's the part I believed Zak was pointing out. My reason to call it cheerleading is because Shadoweh namedropped Kitten earlier. Lazy-scumhunting Edible takes and runs with it. Lazy scumhunting is scummy because scum don't hunt their own, that's good enough to vote for.

You guys can call it ignoring the accusation, but I consider any more arguing with Edible to be dead-ended. Nobody else wants to buy lynching him, so I might as well make him my waifu with my ability.

The lack of more text in Dormio's and PX's votes jumped out at me for seemingly like weak wagon hops. Both of them parrot Edible and completely ignore him in their posts. I'm not as inclined to call Dormio scum on this one because he's been consistent in simply not mentioning everyone else.

##Unvote
##Vote PX


Now who the hell is Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles?

Cut: Yeah Dormio's at least trying in a much more transparent way. Sticking with my vote change.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on February 28, 2011, 10:14:48 AM
I'm going to reply to everything else once I've been awake for more then five minutes but since someone pointed out I'm a moron with syntax and forgot to unvote earlier I'm going to correct that now.
##UNVOTE
##VOTE Pesco

Be back soon!
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on February 28, 2011, 01:26:05 PM
The nice thing about posting at 68am is there aren't 5 replies between every post.  :yukkuri:

Doll: Yes vig mean vigilantly kill. No I am not asking someone to vig you. If you were vigged right now besides your flip I don't think anyone would notice the difference and this is the frustration I am expressing.  K4U sums it up.
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I've read the past games with you in them and...Well I think you should actually like play the game this time.
We all just have feelings from posts to go on from Day 1. Try expressing your feeling and explaining them, like why Dormio reminds you of you since you brought it up twice. Your post #108 is much better then your other ones.

Schezo: On a scale of active lurking to not having posted in the game yet I think active lurking is worse right now. The longer the game goes on the further my opinion will swing in the other direction. See above for more about how I feel on Doll. About Conqueror, if it's not clear my second line: "Feel free to comment on the rest of the game too though." Was me asking him to comment on the more important argument that broke out afterwards instead of a post that added nothing. At this point he has and I haven't felt a need to bring him up again yet.
Let's comment on something you're doing that I don't like though. From post #104:
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You randomly don't think she's((Shadoweh)) scum because...what?  Why does she get a clear, in your eyes?  Then he comes up with the vote on Pesco, which is starting to form an opinion on people, but can we get some more of what you think of anyone else?
Why are you hunting for Town? We're looking for scum, not for who you think is the Townest and making people explain why they think people are Towner then the rest just sets up easy Nightkills.

PX: I'm attempting to tone down impoliteness in my posts. I should point out Dormio did say he was voting you for voting him afterwards, which is what OMGUS means if I'm not mistaken. The vote itself is still jokevote territory but him saying that was why after I asked will come up later.

Kittens4All: Good morning! I am aware of your posting habits and I understand why you don't post much on Day 1. I also understand posts taking so long because this has taken two hours so far. I don't want 'alot' but I do want more then once every two days.
I agree with all the points brought up and I'm waiting for Hourai before commenting further on him.

Pesco: I've already said why I thought your actions were scummy and I still feel that way. I feel the opposite about Dormio and PX as I'm not sure if Dormio has given an answer to anyone's questions that wasn't already provided in another post and that bothers me. I am currently waiting for Pesco's new waifu to post before getting further on or off his case.

The Waffles.. I'd guess Rule 7 since it's a vote that only breaks ties. I don't expect them to come forward and it's not me. I have more to say but this post is too long already so I'm going to get it out now.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on February 28, 2011, 01:39:22 PM
After giving it some thought I've come to the conclusion keeping the information my role gave me a secret isn't a good enough reason to withhold this from Town.

As part of my role I checked the edit history of MafiaRules.rtf (who uses wordpad seriously) and saw some of the game setup. Whenever someone dies a special effect is added to the day phase afterwards. The effect is specifically linked to the person lynched which is why I think it relates to the rules we represent.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: PX on February 28, 2011, 02:58:30 PM
Got to go to school right now, will address things when I come back.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on February 28, 2011, 03:08:49 PM
You guys can call it ignoring the accusation, but I consider any more arguing with Edible to be dead-ended. Nobody else wants to buy lynching him, so I might as well make him my waifu with my ability.

Which you're still not explaining.  Care to do so, or can we just lynch you now and save us all some time?

I mean, using (or pretending to use) an ability and refusing to explain it despite multiple demands for you to do so is, well... not exactly what I would consider town activity.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on February 28, 2011, 03:27:03 PM
I already explained my reason, you just don't like it.

Your question about my ability had a :V after it. Since when do you expect me to take that as a serious asking? Other than that, most of the other players simply don't care.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on February 28, 2011, 03:32:03 PM
Your question about my ability had a :V after it. Since when do you expect me to take that as a serious asking?

It says "seriously though" right before I asked the question.  Are you doing this on purpose?

Let me put it another way.  Explain your ability in full immediately.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on February 28, 2011, 03:57:43 PM
I make you my waifu. We get to spend our nights together. What happens to me will happen to you and vice versa.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Schezo on February 28, 2011, 04:15:09 PM
Shadoweh:  ok now I really don't like how you are telling me I'm hunting town because I have a vote on someone I think is scum, even more so now because what I get from your post is that you want me to clear you for the same weak ass WIFOM reason that Dormio gave in his 118.  I'm hunting town for wanting to see Dormios thought process, which isn't very good?  I can't even see where you got that I'm hunting town because everyone I called out in that post was suspicious to me, so please explain that.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on February 28, 2011, 04:38:37 PM
I make you my waifu. We get to spend our nights together. What happens to me will happen to you and vice versa.

I suggest that you help us find someone scummier than you, then, because I'd hate to file divorce paperwork so soon.

More than content to hang this rabbit, though I suppose due diligence requires me to at least consider other cases made recently.  I'll get around to it.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on February 28, 2011, 05:47:53 PM
Schezo: Okay, I see what you mean and I retract my statement. I still don't think anyone is obligated to answer why they think someone is town. I have no opinion on whether you clear me or not since it's not stopping you from contributing.

That role sounds horrible and slightly like kidnapping. If it's real Tewi getting it is appropriate. Currently waiting for Edible's opinions on other cases now.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on February 28, 2011, 07:46:39 PM
Dum dee doo.

Should the day carry on without input from Polaris and/or Kitten, I would consider it more scummy.

It's around a day later and Polaris still hasn't showed up, and I can confirm he was online last night as he was playing trivia.  Your thoughts now?

FWIW, while I agree with you that lynching a lurker day 1 isn't the best possible solution, I can think of far worse reasons to throw a D1 lynch at someone.

Other thoughts...

I haven't seen a single useful post all game from Doll.  You are the very definition of active lurking and I wouldn't really mind you getting lynched today either.

@K4U: Lurking a bit is fine, but I think at least 1 good content-filled post per day (which you've more than managed with your previous post) is reasonable, if you aren't going to add snippets here and there.  I suppose it helps that there's currently someone lurking more than you!

I don't agree with the PX wagon yet but it interests me enough that pesco switched to it.  I'll take that into consideration if we wind up lynching our rabbit today.

Overall conclusion - Whatever pesco is doing today, it isn't very town-like.  I can't think of a better lynch candidate.  I will summarize my thought process and case on pesco later on should it become necessary, but it's fairly straightforward.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on February 28, 2011, 08:28:52 PM
Early Votecount
Pesco (4) - Edible, Dormio, PX, Shadoweh
Kitten4u (0) - Dormio, Conquerer
Hanged Hourai (1.5) - Doll.S, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Kitten4u
Dormio (1) - Schezo, PX, Pesco, Conqueror
Conqueror (0) - Hanged Hourai, PX, Bardiche
Edible (1) - ZakeriPesco
Zakeri (0) - Shadoweh
PX (2) - Dormio, Bardiche, Pesco
Shadoweh (2) - Schezo, Bardiche, Hanged Hourai
Not Voting: Polaris, Doll.S
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~28 hours left in the day.

As a warning, I may not be around very much today.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 28, 2011, 09:46:03 PM
Doll: Yes vig mean vigilantly kill. No I am not asking someone to vig you. If you were vigged right now besides your flip I don't think anyone would notice the difference and this is the frustration I am expressing.  K4U sums it up.We all just have feelings from posts to go on from Day 1. Try expressing your feeling and explaining them, like why Dormio reminds you of you since you brought it up twice. Your post #108 is much better then your other ones.

Well, Dormio reminds me of myself first game is because of the of the little opinion I had on the game, which I'm still apparently having :P

Also Pesco, what's with the vagueness of some of your posts?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on February 28, 2011, 10:06:50 PM
@Edible: Clearly, lurking scum. We should lynch him immediately.

In all seriousness, I'd like to request the mod elucidate the situation with Polaris. Is he going to play, has he been prodded, will you replace or what? It's very annoying to have another lurker on our hands, especially considering it's a waste of town's lynch if we need to manually remove non-players.

Lynching lurkers on D1 is a strategy I'd only employ if there are no good alternatives.


My opinions have not needed much updating since this morning and now. Dormio's waffling and his stance is unclear, but it strikes me moreso as an unhelpful than scummy attitude. This may change in later days. Shadoweh is still manic, but I veer to misguided townie moreso than scum. It's his first game, yes? Newbie pass for now.


Ninja by Doll. Nothing I see there that I want to see in my town. Doll, are you going to pretend you're playing the game, or will you continue to play spectator? If you're trying not to be tied to any opinion by never presenting any goddamn opinion backed up by a commitment in the form of a vote, you are doing a rather pisspoor job of it. I had excused it as derptown for a while, but diagnosing your problem and then nonchalantly passing it off as something acceptable is veering into scummy territory.

It's NOT okay to be derp. So stop playing the derp card and start playing the game.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on February 28, 2011, 10:10:13 PM
Apologies for the hostile attitude, but can you please understand that it is extremely vexing to play a game with people who make no effort to play?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 28, 2011, 10:12:47 PM
;.; I'm trying, don't you see that question?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on February 28, 2011, 10:14:20 PM
Yes, I see that question, and it's useless.

What part of Pesco's posts do you find vague?

Do you find this vagueness scummy, curious, townie?

If he answers you, and it is not the answer you can vote him for, you can simply go, "Oh, okay. :V" and we'd never know if you suspect him or not. Start throwing your suspicions on the table, or at least your opinions. An opinion is never wrong. Do you think Pesco's alleged vagueness is scummy, yes or no?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 28, 2011, 10:27:24 PM
I make you my waifu. We get to spend our nights together. What happens to me will happen to you and vice versa.

This is what I found vague but now that I read it again, it maybe that he has the ability to form couples?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on February 28, 2011, 10:30:33 PM
(http://i53.tinypic.com/b8l35d.gif)
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on February 28, 2011, 10:31:36 PM
(http://i53.tinypic.com/b8l35d.gif)
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on February 28, 2011, 10:32:41 PM
ffffff thwarted.

Edible sums up my feelings accurately.



Doll, don't ask me what it is, I can only speculate. Form your own opinions from the given clues in the thread. I have, so should you. Asking someone to fill in the blanks is setting yourself up for scum manipulation.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 28, 2011, 10:37:51 PM
it maybe that he has the ability to form couples?
Pesco said that his ability is to form a bond between him and someone else.
If one of them dies, so will the other.
Assuming that Pesco isn't lying, let me ask Pescar:
Why would you link yourself to Edible so early in the game?
Unless you have the ability to change your links, which I doubt that you do, it seems like a very scummy move.


Warning - while you were typing 3 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on February 28, 2011, 10:40:57 PM
In all seriousness, I'd like to request the mod elucidate the situation with Polaris. Is he going to play, has he been prodded, will you replace or what? It's very annoying to have another lurker on our hands, especially considering it's a waste of town's lynch if we need to manually remove non-players.
In hindsight, I probably made rule 12 way too easy on lurkers.
I'm going to prod him right now. If he fails to post within 12 hours of the prod, he will be replaced, since if Edible is to be trusted, I know he has at least had the time to play trivia.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 28, 2011, 10:52:31 PM
:(

I think I'll take a break now and then maybe I'll actually come back with something solid....

Darn, I thought I could do better this game....
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on February 28, 2011, 11:30:40 PM
I think I got something!

Re-reading through, Shadoweh, you still haven't answered why you pressed Conqueror for the bandwagon he got on RVS phase and then just decided drop it without answering it. Also, the vig thing, why aiming for me specifically?

##Vote: Shadoweh

I'm gonna keep this vote on you until you address these issue?

How's that?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on February 28, 2011, 11:52:24 PM
Polaris' player slot is up for replacement.

If a replacement is not found before the end of D2, he will be modkilled.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 01, 2011, 01:26:22 AM
Ten minutes of this post was spent watching Edible #139.

Doll: At least your hate is consistent. Re-read other players as well and see if something sticks out. I don't know how I can make it clearer why I don't like your posts that say 'my opinion is that I have no opinion' and would rather you die instead of posting more of them.
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Re-reading through, Shadoweh, you still haven't answered why you pressed Conqueror for the bandwagon he got on RVS phase and then just decided drop it without answering it.
My original statement in post #42 was intended be read as 'please tell me what you think of three people "randomly" choosing to jokevote you for a bad reason.' Conqueror's response in post #61 answered 'please tell me why you confirmed late.' and failed to address the 18 post argument. My first two sentences in post #70 were me saying 'That's not what I was asking but feel free to post on everything else.' The jokevote wagon stopped being important the minute people started posting content and I stopped caring about it by post #43.

Polaris: :/

No disagreements with posts by Bardiche or Edible so far. I dislike how few names there are in 12 hours.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 01, 2011, 01:47:01 AM
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I dislike how few names there are in 12 hours.
The gap between the prod and the replacement was not 12 hours, if that's what you are thinking - Polaris told me that he does not feel up to playing and that he is okay would being replaced, so I opened up his player slot early.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 01, 2011, 01:49:05 AM
I don't hate you. :(
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: PX on March 01, 2011, 02:05:33 AM
Orz, why must there always be a leaver?!

Okay, more stuff on Pesco then. Shadoweh tries to stir up conversation, and you throw out a lolwut while letting people throw around votes without question. Then you accused Edible of cheerleading using Zak, but he's not cheerleading! He's not throwing votes on random lurkers. Speaking of other people who commented on wanting K4U to post, you didn't mention Conquerer at all. Also, following the leader on asking for lurkers to show up? Who cares if it's pointless. Just because someone mentioned them before automatically makes someone who mentions it after them look scummier?

Anyways, I gave Hourai 3 hours to post. He has not. Waiting on him to post. Or not. Post, now.

##Unvote:
##Vote: Hanged Hourai
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 01, 2011, 02:08:19 AM
I Am Unfortunately Not Inspired Enough To Make Up Votecount Names Right Now
Pesco (3) - Edible, Dormio, PX, Shadoweh
Kitten4u (0) - Dormio, Conquerer
Hanged Hourai (2.5) - Doll.S, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Kitten4u, PX
Dormio (1) - Schezo, PX, Pesco, Conqueror
Conqueror (0) - Hanged Hourai, PX, Bardiche
Edible (1) - ZakeriPesco
Zakeri (0) - Shadoweh
PX (2) - Dormio, Bardiche, Pesco
Shadoweh (3) - Schezo, Bardiche, Hanged Hourai, Doll.S
Not Voting: Polaris
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~22 hours left in the day.
Polaris is in need of a replacement!
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 01, 2011, 02:19:12 AM
#70: I fully intented to vote in that post on my way out. I was ninja'd by a mountain of posts including Pesco posting an opinion so I put off voting until I could come back in an hour to read it. I did so and voted him in post #91 which I had posted by the time you wrote this so I'm not sure why you skipped that one since it answers your question.

#91? Wha? Hold on, lemee re-read.
...
Oh you mean #83. The vote was hidden inside the line.
But my original curiosity was why didn't you change your vote off the joke right when discussion started and people started looking scummy. Which you explained already. So I guess you're cleared of that.

Quote from: Kitteh
Considering she just tried way too hard to pull us out of RVS I do not see how continuing to try way too hard to generate discussion is a scummy thing.  Explain please?
The idea is not scummy, the execution however was scummy. But with that, I consider it a new player mistake. Also, her recent posts have seemed productive and hunting-like to me, so she goes down on my list.


Also, I like waffles, but not that much.  :(

New reply

Oh hey there.
So you are taking off your vote on a person who you think is the scummiest to go for me. Before, I was your 2nd choice. Now I'm your #1? What about me changed?

Your votepost voices more suspicion for the person you are already voting, but you change it for a person who you  have no extra info on than when you originally voiced suspicion.

##Unvote
##Vote: PX


In summation,

PX, "I think Pesco scummiest, and Hourai second."

A little while later...

PX, "Pesco is even scummier! Vote Hourai! Even when he hasn't done anything else!"

Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: PX on March 01, 2011, 03:01:25 AM
Oh, just the fact that you were online about 3 hours ago, I saw you post on Yu-gi-oh, and yet no post on Mafia when 3 people addressed you. Also, OMG u suck!

Just cements my vote.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 01, 2011, 03:10:06 AM
So when you get more suspicious of the person you're voting, you vote your #2 based on his activity while making his new post. Gotcha.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: PX on March 01, 2011, 03:17:47 AM
Nope, it's called pressuring a person I want a post out of. Did it work?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 01, 2011, 03:27:23 AM
Not really, seeing as how I pressed "Post" before I saw it. But if you wanted a vote on you, then yeah, it worked.

This back and forth really isn't going to end up with anything useful, so I see no point in continuing it.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: PX on March 01, 2011, 03:34:27 AM
Oh please, then continue. Were you going to talk about other people?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: WHMZakeri on March 01, 2011, 04:07:07 AM
I was going to post 18 hours ago, but then so many words happened, and I fell asleep. I'm still having trouble focusing.

Pesco: Ha ha, for someone who patented the FPMH, you sure are susceptible to them.

Anyway, yesterday I probably would have joked around saying "Pesco is scum? Okay then." and then voted accordingly. However, Pesco is Pesco, and Edible ... umm, has a very good chance of being Edible, I guess. Nothing rings alarmbells in my head between them, so my vote goes elsewhere.

And no, cheerleading wasn't one of the things I was holding on Edible, though I can see where Pesco would make that leap. Plus, Pesco's response of "Well, he might not have said it, but I did." to the misrep accusation is not a scum-based backtrack.

##Unvote: Edible

Dormio: If you think someone is scum, just say that you think they are scum. if you put a disclaimer that says you could be wrong, that just implies that you know the person will flip town, and don't want people to pin it on you.

Has Doll.S always been this useless?
I looked over JK9, and I saw you putting a ton of effort into finding and hunting scum, even though you were bad at it and second guessing yourself, and completely unable to find reasons.
I also looked over Moriya Shrine, and even though you were scum that game, you at least were able to add something new almost every time you posted, even if it wasn't directly related to scumhunting.
So tell me, what's with this all of a sudden. Almost all of your posts seem to be non-contributing anti-lurk. I know you can play a lot better than you are now. I find this really suspect, as you're suppose to get better at playing the game with experience, not worse.

##Vote: Doll.S

Quote from: Shadoweh
(who uses wordpad seriously)
I do.

Cut: Now, now, girls, you're both pretty.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on March 01, 2011, 05:26:10 AM
I express some mild dissatisfaction with PX's defence of Shadoweh, however, as I feel players are well capable of defending themselves in their times of need. Further dissatisfaction arises from the accusation re: Pesco voting by "using Zak's words", whereas Pesco's case was, almost literally, "As Zak pointed out, Edible is a worse cheerleader". And while Zak did not point out any such thing, it looks like Pesco's own observation that Edible is cheerleading.

Never bother that I wholly disagree with Pesco and his stint with Edible, but the misrepresentation combined with a vote is flawed enough to cause my alarmbells to go off. Exactly how does Pesco's observation that "Edible is cheerleading" fall apart if Zakeri did not point this out at all, but it was merely something Pesco diagnosed himself?

For all that I find Pesco's case shoddy, the blatant bandwagon hop seems more egregious. Pesco being nonsensical is nothing out of the ordinary, so I will require further content from him to decide that he is now scummy for an erroneous observation. It was too poor to conceivably be of worth.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: PX

Just quoting to bring this to PX's attention, I think answering questions people who vote for you have is a good idea.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kitten4u on March 01, 2011, 05:44:27 AM
@Pesco: Okay, that makes sense.

This...thing happening...I'm not even sure how to describe it.  This OMGUS is unimpressive. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg566326.html#msg566326)  This is... (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg566310.html#msg566310)  Let's see, reportery and doesn't say a thing about anything and has an awkward vote swap at the end.  The whole back and fourth is just so...WEIRD!  It looks really forced imo.  I'm not sure which post is worse...

I'm going to keep my vote where it is for now, but I am willing to switch to PX.

And then I attempted to figure out what was bothering me about Schezo.  This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg565502.html#msg565502) reads pretty weirdly to me (defending and attacking Shadoweh in the same post, and I don't really like his case on Shadoweh either), but I don't really think it's worth worrying about right now.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: PX on March 01, 2011, 06:19:42 AM
Quote
Exactly how does Pesco's observation that "Edible is cheerleading" fall apart if Zakeri did not point this out at all, but it was merely something Pesco diagnosed himself?

Edible's comment on K4U does not look like cheerleading. He's not egging on a wagon since nobody has any votes on K4U. Thus, his case is pretty much non-existent. Is that satisfactory?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 01, 2011, 10:15:30 AM
It's been a long day for me, so bear with me if this post is a bit disjointed.

First, an update on my previous opinions.

Dormio: At least now he has a firm stance and a vote down somewhere, although I almost completely disagree with his rationale for voting Pesco in post #103. But he seems to be trying a bit harder now, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, at least for now.

##Unvote:Dormio


Dolls: Dolls isn't looking much better, what with his only addition being the infamous post #138 and a pretty weak vote on Shadoweh, which he keeps even after Shadoweh directly addresses the issue he brought up. At this point it feels like he won't or can't form an opinion out of this headache of a game (an understandable feeling), but that's no excuse for the almost complete lack of content. I would be happy with a Dolls lynch at this point.


Pesco: Pesco looks a lot better in retrospect after I realized what he was actually talking about in his first few posts, derp derp :V. For those people still harping on about the "lolwut" posts, try reading Shadoweh's first posts again. Mind, I still don't I think Pesco's accusations against Edible made much sense, but Pesco was like that last game too.  ::) Whatever, he's stepped up his game since that exchange. I'll look at him again later if people really see a case on him, but I don't think his actions so far have been particularly scummy, just more than a little paranoid.


A response to Kitten Re: My first post. I will admit it was pretty bad, but at that point the game was only just getting out of RVS with the Shadoweh vs everybody else banter. I would have waited a little while longer to gather my thoughts and make a more substantial post, but I wanted to answer Shadoweh's question first. In any case, a lot of stuff happened after that, so material wasn't lacking afterwards.


Now that that's out of the way...

Oh boy, PX and Hourai. I believe Kitten already said most of what can be said on the matter. I tried rereading both of them.

Hourai: I originally thought his post #152 looked really bad, but now that I actually look at it, it's not that bad. Granted, it's a pretty blatant OMGUS, but his reason for thinking PX looks scummy is pretty much the same as mine, and in any case PX's previous posts haven't been too impressive. Hourai's post #90 is unimpressive upon first glance, second glance, third glance, etc. but I find that he has very clear cut opinions to go with his votes, even if I completely disagree with his case on Shadoweh.

PX: But compare that to PX. Vote on Hourai in #150 came out of almost nowhere, as he never deems to explain why he thinks Hourai deserves the vote more than Pesco. Mind, I think the points on Pesco don't really hold, but still, he seems to believe them. His initial vote on Pesco was similarily weak - the rationale for voting only came afterwards, which leads me to think he voted first and thought afterwards. His meatiest post "recaps things," much like what he accuses Hourai of doing.

##Vote:PX

Posting this to get it out of the way; I'm too tired to format properly. I have class in 3 hours I hate you all.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 01, 2011, 12:08:13 PM
Everyone in the game posted today so I am pleased. My issue with Pesco still hasn't changed and I disagree with the people clearing him. My problem is not that Pesco is being Pesco, it's that Pesco is being Pesco AND useless.

PX: I agree completely with your assessment on Pesco. It's a shame you're voting for Hourai. My feelings of negativity towards this will increase the closer to deadline we get.

Hourai: Since you were making post #152 before PX's OMGUS on you, who would you have voted for in your post before you were cut?
Quote from: WhiteMageChocobo
Has Doll.S always been this useless?
Yes.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: PX on March 01, 2011, 02:45:23 PM
Explanation of the Hourai vote: Prod vote, turned it into a real vote after Hourai's OMGUS. Really, votes can be moved around in the span of 2 seconds, so is it that bad to use it to get a person to post?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: PX on March 01, 2011, 02:45:58 PM
Also, I might not be around for the deadline.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on March 01, 2011, 04:57:33 PM
Maybe this will convince the rest of you that lynching pesco is the optimal solution today.

Fact #1: Pesco has stated his ability causes whatever happens to him at night to also happen to his target.

Fact #2: He has used this ability on me.

Potential scenario #1: If pesco is town, and therefore not lying, scum will kill him tonight and I will also die.  Town loses two townies at once.  Hardly optimal.

Potential scenario #2: If pesco is lying, and therefore scum, he wouldn't be NKed anyway and is bluffing.

Scenario #1 means that lynching pesco is optimal unless there is another guaranteed scum lynch today, and by guaranteed I mean someone already has a result on someone else, which is unlikely.

Scenario #2 means we should be lynching pesco anyway.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on March 01, 2011, 05:05:15 PM
Fact #3: Edible is a retard.

Scenario #3: Scum kills you instead since I'm lynchable.

Scenario #4: You're scum and I'm taking you down with me.

I don't see why you're obvtown by any measure for presenting a false dichotomy.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on March 01, 2011, 05:12:21 PM
Fact #3: Edible is a retard.

Scenario #3: Scum kills you instead since I'm lynchable.

Scenario #4: You're scum and I'm taking you down with me.

I don't see why you're obvtown by any measure for presenting a false dichotomy.

Scenario #3 is inevitable, eventually, and still gives us an extra day compared to potentially lynching another townie and then losing both you and I tonight.  Two townie deaths is better than three, and I'd rather take a gamble on you being scum than on PX or someone else being scum and THEN losing two townies on top of that as opposed to one.  The numbers just add up better.

Scenario #4 is unlikely (even ignoring the fact that I'm town, but I'm aware you're not aware this is a fact yet), given you've stated your ability only works at night.  Why the hell would scum NK themselves?

My scenarios are admittedly presented with the foreknowledge that I'm town, which will be proven through the course of the game - either through my actions or through my death.  Nevertheless, I've stated logical conclusions that anyone else can come to with the same information.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on March 01, 2011, 05:16:08 PM
Summary of all that is you think there's only 1 scum this game and it's me.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on March 01, 2011, 05:17:37 PM
EBWOP:

I also submit the fact that pesco has been completely silent recently until called out with my previous post.

Ninja rabbit - By its nature, town can only consider the lynch of one scum at a time, especially on Day 1.  However, how do any of my scenarios conclude that you are the only scum?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on March 01, 2011, 05:27:39 PM
You don't consider PX or anyone else as possible scum. You've shown no suspicions of anyone other than myself.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on March 01, 2011, 05:30:30 PM
Blatantly false accusation, go! (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg565968.html#msg565968)
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 01, 2011, 05:32:57 PM
As much as I hate to shoot down the person arguing for my favorite lynch, that post of yours doesn't really show scum suspicions of anyone but Pesco. You say Doll is useless and Kitten made a good post and that the PX wagon 'interests you'.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Pesco on March 01, 2011, 05:35:33 PM
I've responded enough to your trolling today. We've got all night to do what married couples do :V.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on March 01, 2011, 05:38:08 PM
As much as I hate to shoot down the person arguing for my favorite lynch, that post of yours doesn't really show scum suspicions of anyone but Pesco. You say Doll is useless and Kitten made a good post and that the PX wagon 'interests you'.

"Potential lynch" and "potential scum" are synonymous in my vernacular, as they should be in anyone's who plays mafia.

Pesco specifically stated that I did not "consider PX or anyone else as possible scum", which is completely untrue as I've stated.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 01, 2011, 05:50:37 PM
"Potential lynch" and "potential scum" are synonymous in my vernacular, as they should be in anyone's who plays mafia.
Noted. What do you think of the Hourai vs PX talk earlier?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on March 01, 2011, 05:52:31 PM
Noted. What do you think of the Hourai vs PX talk earlier?

Honestly?  I mostly ignored it.  Looks like two townies having a slapfight.  Might be worth looking at a little more closely later on.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 01, 2011, 06:18:10 PM
Waiting on rest of town now. I think there's 5 and a half hours left?
@Mod: Votecount if you please.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 01, 2011, 07:53:46 PM
Yes.

Okay, what is this? I know I'm bad but this...this? I would have been okay if Bardiche or even Pesco answered Zakeri (A question Zakeri already answered hime/her self, somewhat) because they've played with me before but you? Who've I've never known of til now? I'd understand if you where trying to prod me with questions and such but answering that question? Urgg...*shakes head* It seems pretty useless and just a direct personal jab at me.

Anyway, I'll probably be missing the lynch since I got to go to school now.

Oh right, ##Unvote: Shadoweh you answered my question about you and I don't mix personal and non-personal opinion. 
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on March 01, 2011, 08:27:53 PM
3.5 hours left, by my watch.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Schezo on March 01, 2011, 08:47:07 PM
More Edible, Pesco: At this point in time, I'm leaning towards Edible's side of this because if what Pesco said is true and he already glued himself to Edible, the numbers Edible brings out, if it actually works, and assuming Edible is town make sense.  Why he glued his power to Edible so early in the game still doesn't make much sense to me though, and at this point neither to his arguments.

Shadoweh: Drops down a lot in lou of what's going on recently with Pesco Edible Doll Dormio and PX.  Also I can kinda see some town intent in his recent posts.

Doll: Makes me super frustrated at how he unvotes, doesn't leave a suspicion or anything and says he won't be back for deadline.  You need to die if not today tomorrow, I swear.  I can switch to this before deadline if that's what's needed.

PX: Completely throwing the matter out the window that you were pulling bad play on Hourai because he posted elsewhere on the board and didn't immediately come play Mafia, I don't like what you've had to say since you appeared.  Random out of the blue vote on Hourai is a "prod vote" which turns into a bitch fit between you and Hourai, nothing gets done besides his 161 answer that I don't like because Edible was being rather passive with that post and he got a clear for it.  I'm not saying that Edible hasn't improved but PX's response as to why he cleared him at that time is lackluster. Wants Hourai to talk about other people without doing the same, hmm. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg566388.html#msg566388)

Unvote:
##Vote: PX
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 01, 2011, 08:59:46 PM
Schezo: :/ I liked you better when you were voting for me. Are you going to be here for the deadline? Regardless I'm going to ask this quickly. If you think Edible is right about Pesco and his role then why are you voting for someone besides Pesco considering if Edible is right he needs to be lynched today?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on March 01, 2011, 09:03:02 PM
Here, reading the thread and recovering a bit from my day.

Initial thought re: Edible. That only holds ground if we assume you are Town and, from that assumption, are willing to lynch Pesco immediately. We could also lynch you immediately and it'd also "free" Pesco, but it is no guarantee of alignment regardless.

More thoughts later, lemme read.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on March 01, 2011, 09:15:22 PM
Initial thought re: Edible. That only holds ground if we assume you are Town and, from that assumption, are willing to lynch Pesco immediately. We could also lynch you immediately and it'd also "free" Pesco, but it is no guarantee of alignment regardless.

I knew this bit of WIFOM would come up eventually.  Unfortunately, all I can do is ask that people review pesco's record today and judge for themselves.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 01, 2011, 10:18:37 PM
Suspenseful Votecount
Pesco (3) - Edible, Dormio, PX, Shadoweh
Kitten4u (0) - Dormio, Conquerer
Hanged Hourai (2.5) - Doll.S, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Kitten4u, PX
Dormio (0) - Schezo, PX, Pesco, Conqueror
Conqueror (0) - Hanged Hourai, PX, Bardiche
Edible (0) - ZakeriPesco
Zakeri (0) - Shadoweh
PX (5) - Dormio, Bardiche, Pesco, Hanged Hourai, Conqueror, Schezo
Shadoweh (1) - Schezo, Bardiche, Hanged Hourai, Doll.S
Doll.S (1) - Zakeri
Not Voting: Polaris
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~2 hours left in the day.
Polaris is in need of a replacement!
PX is at L-2!
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kitten4u on March 01, 2011, 10:26:16 PM
##Unvote
##Vote PX (L-1)


Edible vs Pesco looks town vs town imo.  PX is awful, so my vote goes there.

Don't really have the time or energy to post right now and I don't know if I'll be back before the deadline.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on March 01, 2011, 10:29:28 PM
Edible's comment on K4U does not look like cheerleading. He's not egging on a wagon since nobody has any votes on K4U. Thus, his case is pretty much non-existent. Is that satisfactory?

That's not the question. You claimed Pesco was twisting Zakeri's words to support his case. I claim that whether Zakeri did or did not point out the cheerleading is irrelevant, as Pesco's case remains exactly the same without the "As Zak pointed out" bit. I was asking how Pesco's case fell apart simply because he "misrepped" Zakeri.

Quote
Pesco: You still suck. Doing nothing, and then trying to use Zak's words to push your vote, then avoiding it completely when it was proved Zak's words were not intended that way.

Quoted directly from the post wherein you vote Pesco. You're contorting Pesco's case of "Edible is cheerleading!" into "Edible is cheerleading BUT ONLY IF ZAK SAYS SO!" He wasn't using Zak's words to push his vote, he used his own observation which pretty much everyone else seems to disagree with, myself included.

Whether Pesco's case is rubbish or not was never my question. I was just curious how Pesco's case was reliant on Zakeri's words, and it isn't. Honestly, your vote for Pesco in that post felt, and still feels, like a cheap bandwagon hop. Your further justification with regards to post #70 of which Shadoweh is accused of wanting opinions on jokevotes strikes me as odd.

Reply #70 does indeed show Shadoweh expressing he wanted Conquerer to respond to people jokevoting him over being late to confirm. You do not hope for things you do not want. It's not a point I find particularly interesting to pursue given we already left it behind a while ago and it's just a silly point, but to attack someone pursuing that point for reasons related purely to semantics and wordplay, I raise a frown at you.


As far as Edible's bit goes, I choose to go with the PX lynch. Edible and Pesco are a mess to think about right now.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Edible on March 01, 2011, 10:30:07 PM
Oh ffs.

If he's town and pesco and I die tonight I'm going to ban all of you. :toot:
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Schezo on March 01, 2011, 10:59:26 PM
Schezo: :/ I liked you better when you were voting for me. Are you going to be here for the deadline? Regardless I'm going to ask this quickly. If you think Edible is right about Pesco and his role then why are you voting for someone besides Pesco considering if Edible is right he needs to be lynched today?
Quote me, I said I was leaning towards Edible's side.  I didn't say I for sure bought Edible's case because as Bard pointed out it's a bit WIFOM and I still don't have a for sure opinion as to say I want Pesco dead or not.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: WHMZakeri on March 01, 2011, 11:12:44 PM
I still don't buy into the case on Pesco. The only bad thing I'd have to say about him (Besides his self-destructive brashness in using his role) is that his case on Ed is just as palpable as the reverse.

Iso reading PX and Hourai, though PX is probably going to be lynched before I can say for certain whether I'm happy with that fact or not.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 01, 2011, 11:19:44 PM
If he's town and pesco and I die tonight I'm going to ban all of you. :toot:
I tried, can I get off with a probation?

Ugh. PX already mentioned he won't be here for the deadline so I know he's not going to appear and say anything to change people's minds in 40 minutes. Obviously I prefer Pesco to anyone and still would rather see him go today. The only part of PX's activities that bothered me (besides not voting for Pesco) was PX's post #164 saying 'a vote can be moved in two seconds' immediately followed by post #165 saying 'but I won't be here to move it.' I still don't like his wagon in comparison.

Schezo: Your opinion is noted but frankly is hard to hear through a mouthful of waffles.

Not an accusation, but is it normal for there to be this little activity at deadline?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: PX on March 01, 2011, 11:24:51 PM
Say goodbye to the town half-vote tie breaker. Orz

にょろ~ん
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: PX on March 01, 2011, 11:26:53 PM
You know what? I'm going to throw around something before I die at deadline. Rushing home after school to find out I got lynched D1 sucks.

I don't believe Pesco's roleclaim, and I believe he would be a good lynch candidate. Why would he link up to the person he thinks is scum? If Edible was scum and you two turned into siblings, then you'd effectively become anti-town.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Schezo on March 01, 2011, 11:29:32 PM
Shadoweh: Your 83, 121 and 163 say you still don't like Pesco, yet I never really saw you make a case on him.  Could you rehash it please.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: WHMZakeri on March 01, 2011, 11:32:05 PM
Not usually, but it is day one after all.

I don't like the PX lynch either. I see almost nothing bad or wrong with his voting, even in the switch to Hourai. The whole "More hate for Pesco, Unvote Pesco" is a useless distinction, since he ended up switching the vote to someone else that he mentioned wanting to lynch. the case would make a lot more sense if he left his vote hanging, or even if he never made mention of hating Hourai before, but everything is in accordance here. I'm not even counting what Shadoweh just cut me with as a point against him, since he said before that his vote on Hourai became a serious vote to lynch after Hourai's OMGUS.

Hourai seems worse in comparison. The OMGUS vote seems somewhat drastic, and over played. It looks more like Hourai was taking the dissonance out of place just for the sake of dropping his vote and flinging it back onto PX. It's kind of sad to me how this case seemed to have built up based on this post.

##Unvote: Doll.S
##Vote: Hanged Hourai


I still think Doll in the scummiest, but based on the three surviving wagons, this is most likely scum to me.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 01, 2011, 11:34:59 PM
Schezo: This is the ultra-quick 20 minutes left explanation. Pesco has posted all of one post with content in it in three days, post #119. This was about in the middle of our three days I think. His posts afterwards are nothing but talking with Edible about his role. As far as I'm concerned he ranks slightly below Doll for content today.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: WHMZakeri on March 01, 2011, 11:35:57 PM
I don't believe Pesco's roleclaim, and I believe he would be a good lynch candidate. Why would he link up to the person he thinks is scum? If Edible was scum and you two turned into siblings, then you'd effectively become anti-town.

It would be more Anti-town to link himself to someone he thought was town, because then scum could just NK one of them to off them both.

Also, keep in mind this is the same guy that lost the easiest game of Assassin just because he didn't wait until the numbers began to thin themselves out. Blowing his wad like this is just one of the many unfortunate things about him.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 02, 2011, 12:13:34 AM
Post-D1 Votecount
Pesco (3) - Edible, Dormio, PX, Shadoweh
Kitten4u (0) - Dormio, Conquerer
Hanged Hourai (2.5) - Doll.S, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Kitten4u, PX, Zakeri
Dormio (0) - Schezo, PX, Pesco, Conqueror
Conqueror (0) - Hanged Hourai, PX, Bardiche
Edible (0) - ZakeriPesco
Zakeri (0) - Shadoweh
PX (6) - Dormio, Bardiche, Pesco, Hanged Hourai, Conqueror, Schezo, Kitten4u
Shadoweh (1) - Schezo, Bardiche, Hanged Hourai, Doll.S
Doll.S (0) - Zakeri
Not Voting: Polaris

So. You people want to string up this PX fellow, hm? I honestly can't say he seems to be guilty of any rule-breaking, beyond blatantly changing his name to something entirely unrelated before the start of the game and confusing me. Though, now that you mention it, that was pretty rude. To the gallows with him!

...

...

Unfortunately, he was indeed town-aligned. It appears changing your name isn't indicative of your alignment. Who would have known?

PX, playing Rule 11, Townie Waffle Buster, has been deadline lynched!

But wait, there's more!

Or... is there? Although PX's death caused a notable shift in the rules, triggering the Inheritance day effect, I have no idea what that particular day effect does. Oh well!


..:::Night1:::..
.::Active Day Effects::.

.::Upcoming Day Effects::.

You have somewhere from 24 to 48 hours to send in your night actions. Similiarly, Polaris has somewhere from 96 to 120 hours to be replaced before I strike down his player slot with a bolt of electricity from the heavens (or something equally brutal). Please do not speak at night unless your role says otherwise.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Bardiche on March 02, 2011, 05:35:15 AM
So PX turned out to be town. Huh what.

Hello, everyone, resident insomniac here. I figure I should finally say my piece on the Edible/Pesco conflict as it becomes relevant right now.

The reason I think it is a mess is because of the incredible WIFOM attached to the move to lynch either of them; the night phase would "dictate" the loss of the both of them, but that's not strictly true. After all, have we any protective roles who believe Edible's claim of town, or who similarly want to avoid the potential death of two town, it's an obvious choice who you'd want to guard.

An investigator would likely investigate, and such we get a nexus of actions on them. In that light, is it truly optimal for scum to attack either of them? It'd depend on whether or not they'd like to risk one of town's power roles guarding Pesco/Edible combi, because only one guarding either of them should guard both of them if Pesco's role description is accurate.

Naturally, the flipside here is the eternal question on whether or not Pesco/Edible are scum/scum, town/scum or scum/town. Or worst, town/town, in which case we have a bit of a handicap. There is no valid way to determine their alignment from D1 alone, as both have tunneled nearly exclusively on eachother.

I'll re-read to gather my thoughts for the oncoming day, and if the oncoming Day hasn't broken yet after I finish re-reading, I'll update my opinions.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 04, 2011, 12:20:09 AM
Well then. I hope you were all able to get an adequate amount of rest, even with a raving lunatic shouting about everyone's actions overnight. I certainly wasn't.

Although, even though the night phase has ended, it seems the darkness attributed to it has failed to clear up as well. I would think the cause of this is rather evident, considering that the rule covering the time of phase changes has been punctured by a strikethrough tag. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg564160.html#msg564160)


Kitten4u, playing Rule 5, Townie Shade, has been killed overnight! Her death triggered the Wave of Darkness day effect.


Well, that's a shame, and a lot of citizens must agree, considering that I am currently hearing the sounds of a riot. It appears something or someone has managed to rile up the town, because they are now requesting for the blood of not one, but two of their fellow men! Rather odd a second day effect should pop up without another death, though. Perhaps it was caused by a role?


..:::Day 2:::..
.::Active Day Effects::.

.::Upcoming Day Effects::.

As usual, you all have 72 hours to decide on a lynch. Likewise, Polaris has an equal amount of time to wait for a replacement before his player slot is modkilled.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 04, 2011, 12:28:46 AM
Quick post to say that I hope every single one of you on the PX wagon feels shame and disgust  for even considering your vote, and I hope you all hang.  A post-game discussion on what consists of a good D1 lynch and what doesn't is in order.

##vote pesco, because there ain't no gettin' offa this train that we on.  Also to comply with the following:

I demand that every single player place a vote in their first post of the day.  Anyone who does not have their vote on the table AT ALL TIMES should be instantly considered as scum.

I'll be back later.  The townie riot ability is a boon if managed carefully.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 04, 2011, 12:30:55 AM
EBWOP:

@Mod - 1, can we have the night cycle be closer to the 24-hour mark instead of the 48-hour mark? ;_;

And - 2, you say we won't get an end-of-day votecount, but will we still get regular votecounts?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 04, 2011, 12:33:40 AM
EBWOP:

@Mod - 1, can we have the night cycle be closer to the 24-hour mark instead of the 48-hour mark? ;_;

And - 2, you say we won't get an end-of-day votecount, but will we still get regular votecounts?
1. In most normal cases, I probably would have chosen to end it soon after getting it all night actions even past the 24 hour mark, but having a player up for replacement made me extend it for time (though I still don't seem to be having much luck on that <_<). The phases will hopefully be quicker in the future, provided the players are equally fast when it comes to sending in their PMs.

2. Yes you will.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: PX on March 04, 2011, 12:51:28 AM
Bah post.

To everyone who was on my wagon. I hate you all, and I hope you all die and nobody wins. That is all.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 01:05:08 AM
rabbit face needs to post to explain night one.
waffle buster got lynched because he defended me. i am filled with muted townie rage.
##vote hanged hourai for taking fight and running until waffle buster got lynched. i am only voting because tasty man asked for a vote.
someone is a damn comedian and thought messing with my posting style would be funny. i will still be wordy from moring until night and you will like seeing me type.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 04, 2011, 01:47:26 AM
A Votecount Shrouded In Darkness
Pesco (1) - Edible
Hanged Hourai (1) - ????????
Polaris (0) - ????????
Not Voting: ????????
With 11 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~71 hours left in the day.
Polaris is in need of a replacement (but may be replaced by Iced Fairy soon).

PS: I forgot to cover this while originally writing the day effect's description, so take note that anonymous votes should be sent to NeoSerela and Quercus Thatguy as well as myself.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 04, 2011, 01:54:59 AM
Iced Fairy has now officially replaced Polaris.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 04, 2011, 02:01:29 AM
##vote hanged hourai

Hanged Hourai (1) - ????????

uh
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 02:02:02 AM
i tested anonymous voting. i changed my vote to the cardboard cut out player and that is me back on red doll boy.
town needs to keep four or less votes on lead lynch on the last day to stop the red colored enemy from anonymously ending the day. but if we do that the red colored enemy can change the secondary lynch.
i think the only way we can stop the red colored enemy from anonymously changing our first and second lynch will be hammering before the last twenty and four hours. this combination of rules is horrible.

##unvote
##vote hanged hourai
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 04, 2011, 02:13:27 AM
A Votecount Shrouded In Darkness, and also Hot Pink
Pesco (2) - Edible, ????????
Hanged Hourai (1) - ????????, Shadoweh
Polaris (0) - ????????
Not Voting: ????????
With 11 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~70 hours left in the day.

Votecounts will become less frequent again soon, I'm just making sure everybody at least understands the mechanics through example.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 04, 2011, 02:19:55 AM
God PX, Tell us how you really feel. :V

I demand that every single player place a vote in their first post of the day.  Anyone who does not have their vote on the table AT ALL TIMES should be instantly considered as scum.

The townie riot ability is a boon if managed carefully.
Quoted for emphasis.  We get our strongest weapon twice, we must spill the blood of our scum oppressors!

##Vote: Doll S.

Ok, can we get this out of the way now?  I mean obvious active lurking, and not having an opinion or a vote when the day ends.  No.

Hanged Hourai: Looks a lot worse in light of PX's flip.  Other than his 90 from start-mid day one, he hasn't had anything to say about anyone else.  Let's see what you think about people please.

Shadoweh: Now that neither Edible or Pesco are dead, can you go over your full case on Pesco now?  I pointed it out because all I saw you say was "I still dislike Pesco" you never started an opinion on him.

Cut by that:: I guess we need to hammer before the 48 hour mark then.  That would be the best use of the town riot ability and it would almost negate the wave of darkness.

I almost want to vote Shadow now for not heeding that warning. :|

EDitit: Oh my god.  You people and your anon's.  I'm going to rage.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 02:32:09 AM
do not worry. i also almost want to vote for you crown boy. read post number one nine six to see my opinion that rabbit face was useless on day one. i do not want to go over rabbit face until he posts.

someone had to test the anonymous vote so we knew how an anonymous vote would look on a votecount.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 04, 2011, 02:39:42 AM
So you just ignored Edible's warning, while someone else is doing it too?

I want to see something more than the ultra quick version before he posts preferably, that way what he says won't give you a chance to sway your opinion of what you have to say now. 
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 04, 2011, 02:40:09 AM
Okay!  Time to make up for my previous persona's total lack of... anything.  For extra fun I'm sure to get cut in by people.  But I can't let that stop me.  Let's go!

First - The Pesco Edible madness...  Can we lynch them both?

Okay in all seriousness while Edible's initial attack on Pesco was terrible, Pesco's return was far far worse.  Add to that a whole lot of tunneling and what was a second rate OMGUS vote on PX that turned Bards single vote into a wagon, I think Pesco has earned this until he confesses his sins.

##VOTE PESCO

Edible's tunneling is bad, but Pesco is scummy and he's at least giving good advice.  Hopefully he'll redeem himself this round.

Anyway that mass of WIFOM brings me to Bardiche.  First on the PX wagon, but I can kinda understand his reasoning.  I think dodging the WIFOM mess that Pesco and Edible are putting themselves into is also bad, but I'd have been guilty of it myself 24 hours ago.  Still If Pesco flips scum Bardiche ranks pretty high on my list for backup.  Maybe I'm just paranoid.

Schezo.  I'm looking at your last post from day 1.  It's a good set of scumhunting... Followed by voting for a guy who was probably just playing bad.  Not good.  I'll be reviewing stuff on you.

Dolls....
Active Lurking.  If there weren't better people to lynch you'd be first on the block.  But there are.

Conqueror.  Hard to find, but big posts at leasts.  A little too soft on Pesco though, and he fell for the PX bit hook line and sinker, but then some town had to have.

Now on to Hanged Hourai, third on the wagon, and an OMGUS vote at that.  There was some reasoning behind it at least beyond just OMGUS, but it wasn't great.  It looks like a townie slapfight, but it could easily be a good scum play as well.

Dormio, Shadoweh and Zakurei have all been giving off townie vibes, but it's possible Dormio and Zakurei are just better at active lurking.  Day 2 should give more info there.

Also 3rding 4thing watevering Edibles NO ANON VOTES.  Voting is towns strongest weapon.  Only scum need to hide votes.

Alright, into the fray.

(Man these do take a while to write)
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 02:56:08 AM
after voting it was impossible for me not to get caught anonymously changing my vote. are you accusing me of trying to be tricky when the vote change is blindingly obvious to everyone? tasty man is not my parent and if something needs to be done for the good of the town i will do it instead of listening to someone i am not even sure is town.

rabbit face did nothing but giggle and lurk early day one. he then played with tasty man until adding onto the waffle buster case. he then kept playing with tasty man until waffle buster was lynched. one good post in three days is not how town should play. his one good post helped a bad lynch against waffle buster. rabbit face is getting one chance to explain why today should not be another episode of bunny must die.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Pesco on March 04, 2011, 04:34:03 AM
##Vote Shadoweh

First, explain to us exactly why Edible can't be scum? Second, for all your crumbing to be a vig and then not killing Doll, you've lied about your ability.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 04:38:44 AM
i did not say tasty man cannot be on the red colored team. i said the exact opposite. the only person i am sure is town is me.
i was not trying to crumb being that role. i stated part of what my role allowed me on day one.
are you going to avoid the question rabbit face?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 04:43:49 AM
in case it is not clear the question is why today should not be another episode of bunny must die and what happened with night one.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Pesco on March 04, 2011, 04:44:50 AM
Your actions don't match up to your words. Everything you've done on Day 1 says that you believe Edible is town. I don't have the time right now to pull up how many times you've raised expectations of you vigging DollS. I hold you responsible for not carrying it out.

I made Edbile my waifu night 1. Edible can confirm that it is in effect now.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 04:48:06 AM
##unvote
##vote pesco


i can confirm that you are lying. i am tired of playing games with you tonight.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 04, 2011, 04:50:13 AM
That's not what I said.

If you knew people were going to fall on top of you for doing that, why are you pushing it just to see how far it goes?

And regardless of Edible's alignment, which you harped up and down day one he was town, that advice is obvious protown, and you choosing to ignore it, isn't good.  I also feel that your post is ignoring the protown advice and that's not a good townie attitude.  What is the better something that needs to be done for the good of town that trumps Edible's advice?  Showing everyone what anon voting looks like?  That would have been blatantly obvious if it ever happened, which it just did, because they wouldn't have shown up on the vote count when everyone appeared.


Also Iced Fairy: I thought he was scum for how crazy he was, not answering questions and so on.  It had nothing to do with his bad play, because I don't really know how anyone plays here in the first place and pulling that out is a bit far.  You get a pass of sorts anyway for everything you say about the game right now because any logic that you may have thrown out in the beginning of the game can easily be rethought in your head and biased in your opinions by not having anything against you.  Now that you know who died and his alignment, it's easier for you to take what people did without having sat through day 1 with your own thoughts developing at the time.  We haven't heard from him yet, but you hinting at clearing Dormio, when he's just like Doll, except not as noticeable seems odd to me but I guess I'll have to wait and see what Dormio has to say.

cut by Shadow and Pesco:  Then let's see the cold hard evidence.  You could be lying for all I know.  That with everything else I said.

Unvote:
Vote: Shadoweh
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 05:02:59 AM
you two are hilariously persistent on arguing with me just after i received a posting restriction that makes my posts sound like they were written by a four chan lurker. you should have taken conjunctions instead of prepositions since i use them more and really like how they look when i type.

i gave you a chance to see where you were going with falsely claiming to link yourself to tasty man. i targeted you last night and i know you were lying. my role is easy to prove because i know what happens when you die. if we lynch rabbit face we gain the ability to send private messages to each other anonymously through the moderator. sadly the only way to prove my role is for bunny to die. i would really like to prove my role.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 04, 2011, 05:04:28 AM
I can't make a full post right now, but I would like to claim one-shot doc who protected Edible last night  from all negative effects, including NK. I had also been notified that my protect went over Pesco as well.
And I have been notified that my action did protect from something.

Edible, Pesco,
Any bad effects?


And I would like to say that PX thought I was town.
It's Inheritance Day. I have been notified that PX has chosen me to get his waffle-busting half-vote power. Which I can easily prove. Useful for the Townie Riot effect.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 04, 2011, 05:07:06 AM
Edible can confirm that it is in effect now.

How can I confirm this?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 04, 2011, 05:07:44 AM
i gave you a chance to see where you were going with falsely claiming to link yourself to tasty man.
Is that what you're calling it now?
i targeted you last night and i know you were lying. my role is easy to prove because i know what happens when you die. if we lynch rabbit face we gain the ability to send private messages to each other anonymously through the moderator. sadly the only way to prove my role is for bunny to die. i would really like to prove my role.
So to prove your innocence you want to kill a someone who may be town to give scum one more day?  Gotcha.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 05:16:28 AM
according to rabbit face i should be trying to kill him now with my unlimited vigilanty shot to prove my role.
no i want town to lynch a lying player who is likely a member of the red colored team so that town does not lose any more days chasing a bad lynch led by rabbit face.
red doll boy was told targetting tasty man targetted rabbit face? if you are not lying then the difference could be that i targetted rabbit face directly because i did get another player that was not tasty man. forgive me for not believing you.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 04, 2011, 05:20:25 AM
Re: Schezo

You're right, I do have an advantage in coming in on day 2.  For example you missed the beautiful WIFOM speech on how we should lynch Pesco because his ability was probably a linked lynch getting 2 for one.  (That, in retrospect, was stupid.)

You're also right on Dormio.  He was more active, but he still lurked hard.  Less posts from Zak then I expected too.  There's probably lurk scum about.

Still you aren't exactly helping your case here.  You're tunnling on Shadoweh who, while abrasive and prone to derp, seems to be working hard for town.

Preview Edit: Or maybe not.  Role madness raises it's ugly head.  Oi.  Hourai, are you claiming nothing targeting Pesco/Edible went through, or just bad things?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 04, 2011, 05:35:59 AM
Shadow: WTF?  Did you really just say, "I called Pesco out that he need's to die for lying but maybe I missed my role target if Hourai is telling the truth, (Which, why did you roleclaim again?  The derp of the claim makes it seem believable) so forgive me."

If I hadn't made up my mind earlier about Shadoweh, I have now.

And just going to say it too because If I catch someone doing it there will be consequences.  If I catch someone stalling the day so the can give scum the chance to hammer with anon votes at the end, OOOee.  There has to be a hammer to end the day in the first 48 hours of day.  Town will see this right?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 04, 2011, 05:38:36 AM
EBWOP: And Hourai doesn't have a vote on the table. :|
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Pesco on March 04, 2011, 05:40:37 AM
Edible: you should have access to a QT where I tell you to make me a sammich.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Pesco on March 04, 2011, 05:46:30 AM
Shadoweh: you've claimed vig and track or rolecop abilities. Neither of which have been proven. It simply comes down to you lying about something and liars need to be lynched.

I'm phoneposting so don't expect me to quote or link.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 05:49:45 AM
crown boy i really need you to read carefully because it is hard to be clear. but if you would like to keep misrepresenting everything i say i guess you can keep on tunneling. i just said i do not believe red doll boy. the scenario in which we are both telling the truth is preposterous. rabbit face needs a lynch to go with my vote on his face.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 04, 2011, 05:52:44 AM
You want me to read you clearly, yet when you mix satire with a posting restriction, what do you think happens?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 04, 2011, 05:58:36 AM
Shadoweh claiming vig yesterday was obviously a joke.  Not sure why anyone took it seriously.

my role is easy to prove because i know what happens when you die. if we lynch rabbit face we gain the ability to send private messages to each other anonymously through the moderator. sadly the only way to prove my role is for bunny to die. i would really like to prove my role.

Can you provide further information here, o post restricted one?  How does knowing what happens when pesco dies correlate to what he did last night?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Pesco on March 04, 2011, 06:04:55 AM
She took a lot of crumbing effort to just call it a joke. Moreover isn't she still claiming to have that power today?

EDIBLE WHERE'S MY SAMMICH YOU WHORE? :V
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 04, 2011, 06:07:21 AM
Quote
EDIBLE WHERE'S MY SAMMICH YOU WHORE? :V

Something funny is going on, my dear rabbit.  I'll explain when I have more information.

Do you have any other abilities besides linking?  Shadoweh mentioned something about sending PMs.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 04, 2011, 06:08:24 AM
Shadoweh claiming vig yesterday was obviously a joke.  Not sure why anyone took it seriously.
It wasn't even that.  She said she wanted to dayvig but couldn't.  It was an anti-claim or something.

Still I'm not liking the sudden accusation of mass lying.  It's pretty obvious half the game or more was gonna target Ediblesco, if nothing else then to test Pesco's claim.  It doesn't clear the rabbit admittedly, because I'm voting him over the terribad use of his role, and a total lack of good scumhunting.

Also, praying for lurkers to come out.  If you're town we need your hands on the table.  This anon vote is perfect for hiding scum, and not voting only increases the amount of probable scum if anon votes end up coming down.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 06:09:03 AM
my first line about the unlimited vigilante shot was sarcasm. the slight possibility that red doll boy and i are both town and both did what we say we did was not sarcasm. because this is role madness all possibilities should be looked at before discounted. if tasty man confirms with rabbit face i will be more likely to believe red doll boy. until that happens i believe it is more likely that he is lying.

rabbit face thinks i claimed roles i have never claimed. what in my actions day one makes you believe i would not have used a vigilante shot by this point in the game?

posting this now but was cut by four posts.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 04, 2011, 06:12:12 AM
huh what, can we get a votecount?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 06:14:59 AM
to tasty man i say that it is not the information my role got that leads me to suspect rabbit face of being on the red colored team. it is the fact that targetting him also targetted another player and that player was not you.

i was trying to leak that dead players cause rule effects but rabbit face pointed out what i was doing publicly. i decided later that night to just outright tell everyone how the setup worked.

i do not know if rabbit face can send private messages himself. i only know that we can if he dies.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 04, 2011, 06:16:34 AM
to tasty man i say that it is not the information my role got that leads me to suspect rabbit face of being on the red colored team. it is the fact that targetting him also targetted another player and that player was not you.

Color me curious.  Was it Bardiche?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 04, 2011, 06:16:48 AM
FUCKING (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/Smileys/default/huh.gif)S HOW DO THEY WORK Votecount
Pesco (4) - Edible, ????????, Iced Fairy, Shadoweh
Hanged Hourai (0) - ????????, Shadoweh
Polaris (0) - ????????
Doll.S (0) - Schezo
Shadoweh (2) - Pesco, Schezo
Not Voting: ????????
With 11 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~66 hours left in the day.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Pesco on March 04, 2011, 06:19:07 AM
Linking is the active ability. The double-up effect is a passive once the link is established. I don't know what effect my death will allow.

I just rechecked my PM confirmation of the link. Assuming HW isn't a false advertising cunt, there should be no problems on Edible's end.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Pesco on March 04, 2011, 06:21:46 AM
Scum confirmed to be voting me as shown by the vote count.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 06:25:15 AM
i am honestly not sure if i should answer any questions about who the other person is on the grounds that it could mark them for death.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 04, 2011, 06:26:53 AM
...  How do you know that?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 04, 2011, 06:29:01 AM
EBWOP: Specifically how do you know who is anon voting?  That's a pretty impressive power suite there.....
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 04, 2011, 06:30:49 AM
I have a very good reason for asking.

pesco didn't target me last night, though it was through no fault of his own.

I recieved a PM addressed to Bardiche, and an ability called "twist" which I'm required to use on someone else today.  I can only assume this ability caused people who targeted me to actually target someone else.  I also didn't see anything about a doc block from Hourai, which either means the twist out-prioritized the doc shot which supposedly blocks all negative effects, or he's lying.

Ninja:

EBWOP: Specifically how do you know who is anon voting?  That's a pretty impressive power suite there.....

Because I instructed everyone to lay their votes on the table with their first post.  Hourai is the only one to have not done so thus far, and there's an anonyvote on pesco.  It's just his supposition, but we'll see what happens when all the votes are on the table.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 06:41:56 AM
that makes my entire argument against rabbit face fall to pieces. i did also end up targetting the night ranter last night. if your power works as you say it does tasty man then you were never linked to rabbit face and it is impossible for red doll boy to be telling the truth.

##unvote
##vote hanged hourai
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 04, 2011, 06:50:00 AM
He's either lying or this is a bastard mod session, yes.  Though to be frank I'm leaning toward the latter.  Hourai's explanation lines up with pesco's - they both claim to have targeted me successfully, but I received nothing thanks to the twist - so I'm tempted to believe both at the moment.  I believe I'll sleep on it.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Pesco on March 04, 2011, 07:10:51 AM
My confirmation was that my linking was successful, it didn't confirm who got it. Now I can go and infer from the number of unique views in the QT if it ended up in a dead person's hands.

Hourai's claim can be reverse engineered from the public info about my role and in this case he would be lying about protecting Edible if my link wasn't to Edible.

## Unvote
## Vote Hourai


It would be quite convenient that you ability is 1-shot so you wouldn't need to prove it again.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 07:27:12 AM
just posting like this is exhausting. what seemed like a clear result and contradiction just turned into giant walls of insanity. now that i believe your roleclaim i would appreciate if rabbit face could explain what he was trying to accomplish on day one. i am also going to rest after this post and wait for the rest of town to form opinions on our discussion tonight.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 04, 2011, 07:35:44 AM
Oi my head.  Well at least the new info gives me something.

My votes going nowhere.  Pesco you've misrepresented every roleclaim in the game so far, save perhaps your own.  Hourai targeted Edible, not you, (along with everyone else in the game it seems like) and as Edible stated, it seems very very likely that protection, and all the attacks and investigations, went to Bardiche.  (BTW Bardiche, please explain why you did that.  It's not autoscummy behavior, but I'd like to hear in your own words your reasoning.)

Anyway I don't consider an easily moved anon vote to be proof of townhood.  (Oh, and Edible assuming Hourai was the likely suspect for dropping that is a little premature, especially given the very high likelyhood of lurkscum.  Not that it isn't possible.)

Shadoweh, your misrep here doesn't make you look good.  Hourai could be lying, but nothing he's said has been proved false yet.  Bardiche should clear that up.

[Watch someone shows up in the morning and drops another role reveal....]
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 07:47:57 AM
i am not misrepresenting what red doll boy claimed. red doll boy claimed that he protected tasty man and received a message that he also protected rabbit face. if tasty man is not lying then red doll boy should have been told he protected rabbit face instead of tasty man.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 04, 2011, 09:48:00 AM
Wow, my uni really doesn't like to let its first years take it easy, huh?
First week, and I already have an assignment worth 20% of one of my courses.
And I know that I'll get another one early next week that is another 20% in a different course.
Anyway, reading the topic now, will follow up with post.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 04, 2011, 10:49:35 AM
Hiding your vote is pretty scummy.
And currently not voting are Hourai, Doll.S, Zakeri, and Bardiche. (Me too, but I plan to fix that in this post.)
Out of the people I've listed, Hourai has posted but not placed a vote.

I still don't like how Pesco immediately linked Edible.
Nor do I like how Hourai has not placed a public vote.

Also, there's something that I don't like about Hourai's roleclaim.
He said that he protected Edible, and that his protection went over both Edible and Pescar.
But I highly doubt that such specific details would have been sent in the PM, especially with the "twist" in play.


##Vote Hanged Hourai
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 04, 2011, 11:05:54 AM
But I highly doubt that such specific details would have been sent in the PM, especially with the "twist" in play.
Er, rather, I don't think that the PM would have said anything to suggest that whatever he did would have affected Pesco too since all the actions were switched around.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on March 04, 2011, 11:51:09 AM
I should be leaving soon, so I can't leave an extensive post!

I am linked to Pesco. I have no wit of what this will accomplish for either of us. Like, will Pesco being lynched also cause my death?

Shadoweh, your posts are confusing to read. What is the exact nature of your posting restriction? What will happen if you break it? Do you HAVE to use the nicknames? Night Ranter, Rabbit Face, etc?

I raise curious frowns at Schezo. While Day 1 he was not that terrible, I find myself rather leery of his attempts to get a train on Shadoweh going on the basis that Shadoweh anon-voted. As Shadoweh immediately rectified it by public voting, I ill see a need to chide them over this. As such, Schezo's aburd reasons for voting become suspect, and his attempt to paint Shadoweh's curiousity as inherently anti-town is ridiculous.

That he now ignores Shadoweh's commentary and has tunneled nearly exclusively on Shadoweh further raises my ire and cements my desire to cement his feet and toss him in the Dover canal.

##VOTE: Schezo

On matters related to what happened tonight, let me get this straight.

Pesco targeted Edible, but his ability wound up hitting me.
Hourai targeted Edible, but his ability wound up hitting me.
Shadoweh targeted Pesco, and his ability also wound up hitting me.

This is all consistent with Pesco's claim that whatever will occur to him will also occur to me, and so far everyone's claims check out. Including Hourai's.

Iced Fairy, I have no idea what I must have done tonight? My role permits me to talk at night, and another effect I would prefer to keep hidden for now. Heavily insinuating I have anything to do with the buggalboo that happened tonight confuses me. Perhaps you could clarify the grounds for believing I have anything to do with it?

Dormio, that is a blatant bandwagon hop if ever I saw one. Care to elucidate why Hourai must be scum? The conjecture that the anonyvote belongs to Hourai ignores that any of those who haven't voted yet placed that vote on Pesco and have refrained from posting.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on March 04, 2011, 11:52:29 AM
could have placed* Derp
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Pesco on March 04, 2011, 12:01:29 PM
I'm suspicious of Hourai's action because if his action blocked other effects from happening then my link wouldn't have worked. Also assuming that his ability took effect on Edible, it wouldn't have taken effect on me if my ability was resolved before his.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 04, 2011, 12:23:10 PM
The conjecture that the anonyvote belongs to Hourai ignores that any of those who haven't voted yet placed that vote on Pesco and have refrained from posting.
I'm voting Hourai because I think he's lying in his roleclaim.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 04, 2011, 12:25:24 PM
On matters related to what happened tonight, let me get this straight.

Pesco targeted Edible, but his ability wound up hitting me.
Hourai targeted Edible, but his ability wound up hitting me.
Shadoweh targeted Pesco, and his ability also wound up hitting me.

This is all consistent with Pesco's claim that whatever will occur to him will also occur to me, and so far everyone's claims check out. Including Hourai's.
orz.
Need to not leave out chunks of my post due to bad posting habits and inability to edit.
According to Edible, somebody also did something to you Bardiche, but it hit Edible instead.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 04, 2011, 01:54:41 PM
Need to go to school in a little while, so can't make a full post.

Here is what my role does and what I know for sure about it:


It protects against all negative effects, including NK.

I protected Edible.

I was told that my protect went over Edible as well as Pesco.

I was told that it did successfully protect  something.

And I now have PX"s waffle power.


And yes, I was trying to keep an advantage over scum, but since people don't believe me, I might as well give all the details.

I'm rechargeable. N3, I'm back in business.


And since people want my vote on the table too,

##Vote: Dormio


I would rather vote Shadoweh since she thinks we can't both be town and I know I'm town, but that may result in a premature hammer.

Dormio, you vote me on the basis that you think I can't have gotten notice over who my protection went over?
And also, I think it's cute how you left Conqueror out of your main point.


Also, mod, with 11 left, it takes 7 to lynch? Is that part of the day effect?

Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 02:05:37 PM
there is another reason for someone to vote for rabbit face if rabbit face is on the red colored team.
the way the rule is written anyone with an anonymous vote on them will not be able to be hammered until the last day.

my posting restriction is hard to explain because there are words i cannot say and common grammar i cannot use. i can call you night ranter or the guy with the red hair or anything that you are not normally called. i do not know what will happen if i break the restriction other then it will cause something bad to happen for the town.

crown boy has been trying to get a train going on me since my first post.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 04, 2011, 03:10:49 PM
Bardiche : I ask because Edible claimed he received an item.  I was hoping you knew something about it.  I guess it is possible some other friend gave him the item and both of you the swap.

However regardless of that, the scenario plays out, especially if Bardiche is linked to Pesco now.  Everyone targeted Edible and Pesco, and instead got Bardiche and Pesco.  Except nothing happened because of Hourai.

I'm still voting Pesco because of bad representation and poor scumhunting.

Mentioning I still don't like Schezo's hunting attempts either, though I see some of his points on Shadoweh.  Still there's a whole lot of claim misrepresentation there.

Also not liking Caedo's run in, accuse Hourai alone, bail technique.  I want to blame the no posters, but I'm up way to early.  Still I'd like to see stuff on the table.

Edible's scumhunt tech seems much better the D1 at least.

And Shadoweh is right.  Anon votes prevent a lynch, though if we have enough to lynch the anons will be obvious.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 04, 2011, 03:42:59 PM
Bardiche : I ask because Edible claimed he received an item.  I was hoping you knew something about it.  I guess it is possible some other friend gave him the item and both of you the swap.

Not quite.  I received a PM that appeared to be addressed to Bardiche (the contents of which are comically threatening), and an infection.

The infection is called "twist" and, given what happened to Bardiche and I, appears to be somewhat self-explanatory.

I'm starting to think both Shadoweh and Hourai should be avoided as lynch candidates today.  Pesco's a little better but he still has the shadow of all that awful anti-town nonsense on D1 hanging over his head.  I'll look into everyone else later in the Day.  Hate playing mafia on weekends...
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 04, 2011, 03:56:29 PM
Ah, an infection.  That would make sense then.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on March 04, 2011, 05:47:30 PM
i do not know what will happen if i break the restriction other then it will cause something bad to happen for the town.

Specifically worded as such? Then it'd be safe to assume that if your posting restriction is true, there is a scum post restriction role around.


... Edible, do share the contents of the PM, if you're permitted. Who's threatening me and what for? :V
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 04, 2011, 05:51:52 PM
Yeah, no problem.  It's pretty silly though.

Gonna go check to see if I can quote the whole thing.  If not, I'll summarize.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on March 04, 2011, 06:09:20 PM
Arright, thanks. Curious what someone wanted to tell me at night.

Other agenda points are Votecount s'il vous pla?t. Has the anon-vote disappeared yet?

Do we have news from Conquerer, Doll, Zakeri yet? Three absentees and an anon-vote on the table. It's either Hourai, one of those three or I who placed that vote, and to me it's Hourai and the peanut gallery.

Iced Fairy, what about Schezo do you like? You say he made good points on Shadoweh, please submit which points are good and which are false claims?

Hourai, are you OMGUSing?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: WHMZakeri on March 04, 2011, 06:25:39 PM
I wanted to wait until tomorrow, after I had some sleep to make a post.
It is now tomorrow, but I forgot to sleep.
Oh well, all of my posts are made best when I'm sleep deprived.

I thought Conqueror was still playing, but I guess not from everyone's posts and the votecount.
Then why is he still in the player list? Hmm...

I'm too tired to vote someone for something stupid like "What they said their night action was." or "Because I don't like their reason for voting another person who I'm not certain isn't scum yet."

Bardiche
Voted PX for the wagon hop on Pesco.
Reasoning for the vote never evolves as more info is added.
Provides light opinions on Dormio, Jabs at Doll.S (doesn't switch votes.)
"Between Pesco and Edible, I choose PX." Was there really no one else to consider voting for by that time than those three?
My favorite part is when instead of providing Wagon analysis, or personal opinions during the nightphase like a person who believes they can be killed during the night, and wishes to help town would do, he just attempts to wave a baton and conduct the midnight symphony orchestra. Did you really think you were being helpful attempting to tell everyone to target Edible?


Pesco
Calls Dormio and PX for wagon hopping onto his own train. Strikes heavily of OMGUS.
Quote from: Pesco
Yeah Dormio's at least trying in a much more transparent way. Sticking with my vote change.
Half-hearted attempt at self-reassuring that his vote belongs where it is. Pesco seems very insecure this round.
Pesco: How many people are you allowed to link with?


Hanged Hourai
Ended up voting PX for switching his vote to him even though Pesco's case wasn't solved. Somehow, Hourai seemed to have done a good job making his vote flow naturally from Shadoweh to PX. Either lucky scum, or town, and picking lucky scum falls on the wrong side of WiFoM.


Conqueror
Quote from: Conqueror
Vote on Hourai in #150 came out of almost nowhere
No it didn't. Rereading PX's posts, Hourai was his second target. There's nothing wrong with questioning a second target, as oppose to tunneling your first.
Con's vote on PX seems like a bandwagon hop here.
Also of note, the only one who voted for K4u on top of being on the bandwagon. I already explained yesterday why I didn't like this. K4u's flip only enhances this.


Schezo
Quote from: Schezo
##Vote: Doll S.

Ok, can we get this out of the way now?  I mean obvious active lurking, and not having an opinion or a vote when the day ends.  No.
:*Finally, Someone who speaks sen-
Quote from: Schezo
If you knew people were going to fall on top of you for [anonymous voting], why are you pushing it just to see how far it goes?

Unvote:
Vote: Shadoweh
:fail:
Vote on PX seems to be emotionally charged. Many original reasons seem to be stacked neatly. The presentation of the anger towards PX's stupidity seems to imply he believed in his words.

In short, Hourai and Schezo are getting a slight pass from me for the PX Wagon. However, Pesco is making wierd blips on my brodar that make me think he's some sort of third party (Forced day one recruit lovers and cult both come to mind). I thought I was going to vote Conq today, but even with the double badwagons, Bardiche's suspicious behavior really edges him out in front.

##Vote: Bardiche

Also, if anyone wants to get a free pass from me tomorrow, I promise to ignore anyone who just happens to leave their vote on Doll.S for the rest of the day. This may change (keyword:) if he makes a decent post today.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: WHMZakeri on March 04, 2011, 06:28:14 PM
Quote from: Typo
Oh well, all of my best posts are made when I'm sleep deprived.
I knew that sounded weird when I typed that line, but I couldn't figure out what the grammar was suppose to be until after I posted it.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Pesco on March 04, 2011, 06:38:06 PM
Only 1 waifu at a time. Once married, it's for life.

And I certainly didn't want Bard for a waifu.

I'm too tired to post today.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 04, 2011, 06:51:57 PM
Bardiche : Schezo's correct in pointing out anon voting as antitown and Shadoweh's bad role guessing shenanigans.  However the bulk of his case is just garbage misrepresentations of her posts.  I feel the case on shadoweh is terribly weak.

Cut: And a Zakurei post.  With content.

Agree with Bardiche being handwavey on D1.  I thought he might be backing Pesco but the link shift is weird.  Maybe  should avoid that wine.... Going to recheck Conqueror's K4U vote.

I'd note you weren't appearing often either in the discussions, but that has changed and for the better.  Hopefully Conqueror will bring something similar to the table (or else). If Dolls did as well we'd be doing real good, but as is we're moving along a double lynch day with 2 lurkers.  Not good.  Fix this you two.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: WHMZakeri on March 04, 2011, 07:06:06 PM
Schezo's case on Shadoweh is bad, and he should feel guilty for considering it over Doll.S
I mean, really, this is her first game (it is, right?), what would you expect her reaction to anonymous voting would be besides "Oh neat, I wonder how this works!" It's not like the topic even comes up in that many games, either.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 07:22:58 PM
to night lurker i say the exact wording is something happening that is not in the interest of my alignment. i think it makes more sense as a move by the red colored team then coming from a townie who does not like my grammar.

takeover king still has time to start posting. lurking more then the adorable blue feline that we lost would be a bad strategy today.

i think moe maker of moppets is an easy misguided lynch. today we have an effective second lynch that can work like that vigilante shot i always wanted but town needs to seriously consider if they are voting him because he is on the red colored team or because they do not like his style. even saying this if we are going to lynch moe maker of moppets today is the day to lynch him. if i were not suspicious of crown boy i would push harder for this lynch. i have been trying to avoid saying oh my god you suck to crown boy but it is getting ridiculous.

either crown boy or takeover king would be my favorite lynch at this moment. i still do not believe red doll boy but am willing to hold off for today. koumajou densetsu fox is still suspicious but is possibly misguided lynch material.

cut by best outfit ever and you are correct. i still believe someone openly testing what anonymous votes look like is preferrable to having no idea what to expect when the red colored team starts using the votes.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2011, 07:29:28 PM
for the sake of clarity.
## unvote
## vote schezo
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Pesco on March 04, 2011, 09:48:26 PM
I expect scum are competent players who NK people that are potentially threatening to them. In other words, fuck y'all I'm speculating the NK.

Hourai and Schezo seem like the main ones with any motive to NK Kitten. Conq didn't get another mention later on, she wasn't particularly interested in pursuing him anyway. Her final words have more weight on pushing Hourai since she's more aware of what's wrong with him. I'll need to reread Schezo in isolation to try see what she saw there. That's the game-related side of it.

Mindhax analysis says it's Schezo. When you play scum with someone and communicate a lot, you get to know them. The more you know a person, the greater you'd fear their capabilities. FAV NK'd bofh in Dwarf Fortress because she knew exactly how dangerous he was as scum, too bad the reverse doesn't hold when bofh is town. I'm drawing the same conclusion here. Schezo would NK Kitten out of fear of her play-ability.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 04, 2011, 10:20:37 PM
I'm tired. Have a votecount anyway.
Pesco (2) - Edible, ????????, Iced Fairy, Shadoweh
Hanged Hourai (2) - ????????, Shadoweh, Pesco, Dormio
Polaris (0) - ????????
Doll.S (0) - Schezo
Shadoweh (1) - Pesco, Schezo
Schezo (2) - Bardiche, Shadoweh
Dormio (1) - Hanged Hourai
Bardiche (1) - Zakeri
Not Voting: ????????
With 11 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~50 hours left in the day.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 04, 2011, 10:25:38 PM
@Bardiche: Alas, I can't directly quote the PM.

In summary, the person who sent it basically said "stop being a jerk" in more words.  O_o;

Also, they threatened to off somebody should you not comply.

I have no idea.

I have no desire to lynch hourai, shadoweh, or bardiche today.  We can probably all agree that Doll is on the to-lynch list.  The primary lynch looks like it'll be pesco or schezo.  I'll need to do some research on schezo.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on March 04, 2011, 10:48:47 PM
Zakeri reportery style on his case against me (and pretty much everyone else in that post) is unimpressive. I see no real opinions from his side, other than implied ones if you read between lines. Unfortunately, I don't subscribe to cases that just describe behaviour and let the readers fill in the blanks, because that way we can't blame you for a mislynch, right? Perhaps you can try again, this time underlining the case with your own opinions rather than make it a game of "derive your opinion, these are the actions!"

His one actual question is equally unimpressive. PX was my primary lynch target with only Edible's plea to lynch Pesco to avoid a Double NK ranking second to it. The other scummy behaviours were nowhere near telling enough to be immediately lynch-worthy.

Your charges on me are nonsensical enough that I find no need to further contest it. Rather, I'd like to submit a question of my own to you: at the end of D1, you stated that you thought Doll was the scummiest person around. What changed since then and now that you have not mentioned a word of Doll? The curious part here is that when you said Doll was the scummiest player to you in #195 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg567013.html#msg567013), Doll has not posted again.

Was Doll really the scummiest player, or just an easy target to leave your suspicions on while avoiding being on the PX wagon?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 04, 2011, 10:52:35 PM
Eh? I'm still here.

Just posting here to tell everybody that I've been working on a post, and it should be ready soon. No, I'm not going to vote in this post without a reason. Expect the post within the next hour, as I'm almost done with it. Don't reply to this post please.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on March 04, 2011, 10:56:44 PM
@Bardiche: Alas, I can't directly quote the PM.

In summary, the person who sent it basically said "stop being a jerk" in more words.  O_o;

Also, they threatened to off somebody should you not comply.

:V Oh lol. I don't think I'm that much of a jerk, but I guess we should prepare for someone getting offed.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 04, 2011, 11:40:59 PM
I am going to submit this for now and add on later, as otherwise I'll just sit here writing forever.

Anyway, I tried to make some sense of the mess that happened in the morning, and am I right in drawing the conclusion that in the end, there's no conclusion? It looks like everybody's night actions match up, and since huh what is channeling NeoSerela is a sadist, I don't see any blatant claim contradictions. So, I don't understand any of the reasoning for the cases brought up in that mess.  Of course, that has no bearing on scummitude, so...yeah.

Shadoweh: I forgot what I was going to say about you because re-reading your posts is painful. I will get back to you later, so someone please remind me. I'll just ask you, what happened to your previous case on Pesco? What may or may not have happened Night One has no bearing on your previous case.

Schezo: Case on Shadoweh is bad, as mentioned before by absolutely everyone. Despite this, I don't think any scum would try to make a case like that (WIFOM alert) as it's just...ugh. I really don't know why he's pushing said case so hard though. Writing it off as derp for now, because I don't understand his points. If he could clarify later on that would be great.

Pesco: Ignoring his case on Shadoweh which seems to have cleared up by now, he hasn't really done much today except speculate the setup, and his vote on Hourai is because he could be lying. Really? Looking back now, Pesco hasn't really done much scumhunting; all he's done is get in a catfight with Edible (and later Shadoweh). I was willing to give him a sort of pass on Day 1, but his Day 2 has really pulled him down. I think somewhere on Day 1 Zak passed this off as Pesco being Pesco. Since when does having a scummy meta excuse scummy behavior in a particular game? Major frowny face at Pesco.

Hourai: Still don't see anything on him; still reads town. Claim is a little iffy, but huh what. :V

Doll S.: I've already given my opinions on Doll, and nothing he has done (or hasn't done, for that matter) has changed that. Today is actually a boon for town in that instead of wasting a day lynching him tomorrow (as Zak seems to eager to do), we can choose to lynch him today as secondary. Hourai's waffle buster should be of use here.

Dormio: Dormio is like Pesco but worse in the sense that he has no opinions of his own and seems to be parroting. His vote on Hourai is based on Hourai not voting and the speculation that it could be Hourai hiding his vote. He also includes a bit of roleclaim speculation for good measure! And last of all, he dares to forget my existence!

Zakeri: I will look at you later. You're not around enough to be memorable, so I don't really know what to think about you yet. I've answered several points in your post below though.

Bardiche: Bard is confusing and just as unreadable as ever. I'll look at him later along with Zakeri and Shadoweh.

Iced Fairy: Hi there. Thanks for subbing in. You haven't been playing long enough for me to make an opinion on you, but keep up the posting. I'll look at you along with the others I missed blah blah. Also, it's Zakeri, not Zakurei.

Edible: Despite the vaguely town feel I got from you before, I don't see much scumhunting going on from your end. You've tunneled almost exclusively on Pesco, with a few terse opinions on others. I'll start here:

I have no desire to lynch hourai, shadoweh, or bardiche today.  We can probably all agree that Doll is on the to-lynch list.  The primary lynch looks like it'll be pesco or schezo.  I'll need to do some research on schezo.

Justify why you are giving Hourai, Shadoweh, and Bardiche a pass, seeing as I haven't seen you give any substantial opinions on them. Or link me to the post where you did. This statement reeks of passivity, and I don't like it.

So in summation:
##Vote:Dormio - For having few original opinions, a lack of general content, and a horrible vote on Hourai. Reeks of scum bandwagoning.
I will be willing to switch to Pesco or Doll S. once town has decided on a game plan for today though.



No it didn't. Rereading PX's posts, Hourai was his second target. There's nothing wrong with questioning a second target, as oppose to tunneling your first.
Con's vote on PX seems like a bandwagon hop here.

Hourai may have been his second target as mentioned in his earlier post, but if you look at the actual post where he explains his vote, he provides almost no reasoning for the switch and instead brings out more on Pesco. I pegged that as scummy behavior at the time, and I still think it's scummy, despite his flip.  :wat:

Also of note, the only one who voted for K4u on top of being on the bandwagon. I already explained yesterday why I didn't like this. K4u's flip only enhances this.

The K4U vote was thrown out in the RVS and later changed when there were actual cases to be made. What does this have anything to do her flip?

Also, if anyone wants to get a free pass from me tomorrow, I promise to ignore anyone who just happens to leave their vote on Doll.S for the rest of the day.

Now that's just silly.  :V

A post-game discussion on what consists of a good D1 lynch and what doesn't is in order.

I will hold you to this.


Cut by Pesco speculating NK.
Of course we know how well that worked last time, right? >_>
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 04, 2011, 11:59:01 PM
Fuck it. I'm roleclaiming now. I know I'm town so to get you all off me to a better lynch.

I am rule 6, the dictator of the lynch and townie riot leader. I was the one who started the town riot with my power last night because I figured getting Doll and another person lynched would be best for town when I thought I was going to save it until day 3. It freaking figures voting bullshit goes off to prevent optimal use of my power but we can make due. It goes without saying that no competent scum would give town their most powerful weapon twice so I think you will all see this as a town PR. I have one more ability that can further prove I'm rule 6 and that I have a power associated to lynching but I would prefer to save it because it wouldn't do much good right now.

Schezo's case on Shadoweh is bad, and he should feel guilty for considering it over Doll.S
I mean, really, this is her first game (it is, right?), what would you expect her reaction to anonymous voting would be besides "Oh neat, I wonder how this works!" It's not like the topic even comes up in that many games, either.
Now I feel like a real douche after I find out this is Shadowehs first game. I was really excited with my first Mafia game so I can see where the curiosity to do powers, Nk's and game effects comes into this. I'm sorry for trying to pull this on you but the other stuff (the role claiming craziness) still stands, though it's not enough to vote you right now.
##Unvote:
I want to just put it out there that I was tunneling on Shadoweh because at that time all of 4-5 people had posted and I nothing else to go off of so scum wouldn't want to butt in right when I was making a mess of myself.

Hourai: If I am to take Pesco's 278 at face value then the vote should obviously be on Hourai because since I'm town I have nothing to kill kitten for. But it's not.  Pesco hasn't done much scum hunting and like Zakeri said his post about Dormio, it was just more self assurance on what could be a BS vote.

Bardiche: I don't see how I ignored Shadoweh's commentary for asking for a vote count before going to bed.

Dormio: Good God. Your case On Hourai is that he didn't lay a vote on the table (although that does make me mad) the anon could easily been lurkscum or you in fact and you PMed an unvote since it's gone now. Your hit and run without anything on anyone when there is plenty enough on the table is just argh.

I'm going to place my opinion on people even though I'm going to vote Doll because he still hasn't shown up and is asking for it.
##Vote: Doll S.

Edit: cut a bunch and this is why I hate phone posting because it takes 2 goddam hours.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 05, 2011, 12:31:30 AM
Urg, I was thinking about this game for a while, with thoughts of quitting or voting for myself but I decided to play through till the end (Even if it is today). As for my vote:

##Vote: Pesco

I really don't have a really good reason for this, but his role confirmation does not excuse him from being scum and his play so far is somewhat as bad as mine.

If you all want to lynch me, I am willing to accept this and if I am lynched, know this town people, even the dead can still be useful to you all. You just have to convince them of your rightful cause.

But if I'm not, I promise I'll try to get my game up tomorrow.

Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 05, 2011, 12:42:16 AM
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Why does everything happen whenever I try to write up a post here?
I started writing this post an hourtwo hoursthree hours ago but things kept happening.
Also, bad habit of skimming over posts.


Zakeri: I don't really like how you're telling people to vote for Doll.S, yet you're keeping your vote on Bardiche.
If you're going to tell people to vote for someone, shouldn't you lead by example?

Pesco: Being able to assimilate people into your harem makes me think of a third party.
If this is correct, then he should be taken out before his harem grows too big for town to control.

Doll.S: ... Is that a random vote?

I still really don't like Hourai's roleclaim.
Firstly, if his target really did get switched, I don't think that his PM would have informed him something that would have been specific to his original target.
Secondly, he claims to have a oneshot protection ability in a game where everybody has an ability. If it really is oneshot, it would be pretty crappy if it didn't block everything. And why would you use such an ability on the first night?


Dormio: Good God. Your case On Hourai is that he didn't lay a vote on the table (although that does make me mad) the anon could easily been lurkscum or you in fact and you PMed an unvote since it's gone now.
What? My vote is still on Hourai.
And, although I didn't like him not placing a vote, my main reason for voting Hourai was because I think that he is lying in his roleclaim.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 05, 2011, 12:47:45 AM
Doll.S: ... Is that a random vote?

No not really, I just can't explain my reason cause I'm not good at those type of things....
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 05, 2011, 12:49:02 AM
Alright.  Seems like we got a little more information.

Shadoweh, what clears Pesco in your mind?  The role shenanigans really didn't change anything (other then adding a chunk of derp to the proceedings).

Conqueror: I suggest for the next post you focus more on reading the players and giving a strong scum case on two or three.  It'll save you time, and possibly your life.  I prefer your active lurking to Dormio's vote and run admittedly, but strong claims are better.

Schezo : Much better scumhunting, I wish you'd ended on a stronger vote, but given the dual lynch I think killing one of the lurkers is good strategy.  Cut, but by more lurking.  Oh well....

And now to where my votes going.  I was hoping for scumhunting from you Pesco.  Instead you tried to guess a nightkill, on a night where things were really screwy.  And then voted based on 3 day one posts, one of which was a known town vote.

:wat:

Yeah.  Still comfortable with my vote here.

And cut:

Dormio : Yeah, you shouldn't skim.  Otherwise you miss things like Hourai's role not really being oneshot, and Pesco not multilinking.  And really all of the meat of the role madness you're using for your vote basis.  That's not exactly town behavior there.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 05, 2011, 01:39:39 AM
i am going to post something bigger after i have a chance to sit down and write. i lied this post is still huge. for now this is the post of mass and wild role activities speculation.
there is still a huge contradiction with the actions taken night one. i will list the claims. if someone who can type normally would like to make this readable i would appreciate the assistance.
rabbit face claims that he only targetted tasty man to be linked to himself.
red doll boy claims something targetting tasty man also went to rabbit face.
i claim something targetting rabbit face also went to night lurker.
tasty man claims something targetting night lurker went to tasty man instead of night lurker.
tasty man claims anything targetting tasty man will randomly target another player instead of targetting him.
night lurker confirmed he is linked to rabbit face.

look at these claims then explain to me how an action that targets tasty man can also target rabbit face? the word also is important because it should be instead. can anyone explain why night lurker is linked to tasty man? at least one of these claims has to be a lie. i have thought of one that clears red doll boy but any one of these claims could be wrong. from my perspective at least mine is true.

to takeover king i say that i started to believe rabbit face more today because during that role nightmare we both said oh my god you suck. i believe that he believed that i was lying and i believe that we were both surprised to each be telling the truth. i said in post number two five two that rabbit face should explain his day one now that the speculation is over. he has posted after this a few times ignoring the question so my suspicions are returning. more active lurking.

cute crafter of cutouts posted. i have a serious question for you. are you the one that tried to send night lurker a message to play nice or else someone will die? either way there is no harm in trying to explain your vote on rabbit face so you should spend some time to do that while you are still alive.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 05, 2011, 01:47:49 AM
Ok, school's over and the weekend has began. Time for a post.

Let me explain my vote on Dormio.
First, it was to put my vote on the table.
Second, even though it's on me, I still don't like how he gives his reason for it. It basically sums up to "I don't believe it." Not strong to me.
And also, the speed which he jumps on it is suspect. Right as it begins, he gets on (third on wagon) with "I don't believe it."

Dormio-
Secondly, he claims to have a oneshot protection ability in a game where everybody has an ability. If it really is oneshot, it would be pretty crappy if it didn't block everything. And why would you use such an ability on the first night?

Read back. I'm a rechargeable doc.
Also, you don't believe my role claim. Do you believe my newfound mastery of waffles?

Pesco-
I'm a little confused at your NK analysis. If you think Schezo is more likely to be scum than me, then why isn't your vote on him?

Schezo-
Quote
Hourai: If I am to take Pesco's 278 at face value then the vote should obviously be on Hourai because since I'm town I have nothing to kill kitten for. But it's not.  Pesco hasn't done much scum hunting and like Zakeri said his post about Dormio, it was just more self assurance on what could be a BS vote.
Uh, I'm having trouble understanding this. The ideas kinda blend together. Re-explain pl0x?

Edible-
I'm just curious. In #266, you said that Shadoweh and I should be avoided as lynches. You gave some reasoning on me before in #250. But I'm curious as to where hers came from, even though I support the idea. Why is she cleared by you for today?

Doll-
You can't just expect everyone to have mindhax powers to read your mind and know your explanations.
No hunting equates to not helping town.

If the time comes, I will waffle-vote you to be the second lynch.


New Post:

I want to try and help clear things up.

Edible and Pescoco, did you receive any notification of any inherently bad effects directed specifically for you?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 05, 2011, 01:59:45 AM
 Shadoweh there is no contradiction with what everyone presented.  Hourai targeted EDIBLE.  Based on the info we have things went like this:

Day 1 : Pesco Links Edible

Night 1 :
Someone, somehow, switches Edible and Bard.  Pesco is now linked to Bard and everything at night happens to the opposite guy.
Bards threat gets sent to Edible, Hourai's doc gets sent to Bard.  Pesco is linked to Bard and is thus protected.
You target Pesco.  Pesco is protected.

Now someone might still be lying, but there's no contradiction here.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 05, 2011, 02:05:27 AM
Here we go, I was going off memory when I said the protect successfully went up on Edible.
Upon a reread, I now see that I was only informed the my protect did go up on someone, along with one on Pesco.

I assumed off of memory that it was referring to Edible since I targeted him.

So now the actions make a lot more sense.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 05, 2011, 02:05:59 AM
Otherwise you miss things like Hourai's role not really being oneshot, and Pesco not multilinking.
Crap. I think I need to take a break and sleep for a day. Uni shit is getting to me. 1 hour travel times doesn't help either.
Okay, I'm going to reread this when I have the time. (Which will hopefully be after I eat something)

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Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 05, 2011, 02:38:45 AM
that is a bad reason red doll boy and you should feel bad for not checking your message. now there is only the question of why tasty man would receive a message meant for night lurker. i am not sure if that mystery relates to the rest of the claims so i am willing to leave it unknown.

if we are going to speculate on the night kill then i believe rabbit face would kill his adorable blue feline because rabbit face targets experienced players before considering roles. he should come up with more hunting of the red colored team that cannot be thrown back in his face as his own motive.

to tasty man and night lurker i pose a question. now that we are certain that rabbit face and night lurker are linked how do we feel about a lynch on either night lurker or rabbit face? the person claiming to be a doctor has claimed he will not be able to protect anyone tonight.

also i checked my schedule and i will not be here tomorrow from three hours before until an hour after our self appointed deadline.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: WHMZakeri on March 05, 2011, 03:29:46 AM
Quote from: Bardiche
I see no real opinions from his side, other than implied ones if you read between lines.

Between what lines? You might not be able to divine the meaning behind phrases like "Hourai and Schezo are getting a slight pass from me" or "Bardiche's suspicious behavior really edges him out in front." But it makes a lot of sense with the context that I'm putting voting priority on people who I think are mafia. Tell me which words you specifically want me to use, and I'll go ahead and rewrite my posts with those words if you feel it's necessary.

Quote from: Zakeri
Voted PX for the wagon hop on Pesco.
Reasoning for the vote never evolves as more info is added.
You jumped onto a bandwagon, and rode it out to it's lynch. You never bothered adding reasoning or justification for keeping your vote then other than the post you voted him for. Even where you bring up the case against him, all you simply do is requote that same post.

Quote from: Zakeri
Provides light opinions on Dormio, Jabs at Doll.S (doesn't switch votes.)
"Between Pesco and Edible, I choose PX."
Again, you never really consider anyone else up to vote. You seemed content to leave your vote hanging comfortably on PX while telling Dormio and Doll.S how bad they are. It's the kind of lazy scumhunting that's indistinguishable from scum prettying to put effort into this.

Quote from: Zakeri
My favorite part is when instead of providing Wagon analysis, or personal opinions during the nightphase like a person who believes they can be killed during the night, and wishes to help town would do, he just attempts to wave a baton and conduct the midnight symphony orchestra.
The main point here is as I pointed out in the middle of the sentence. Your midnight post is suspicious because instead of doing what a person that has fear of being Nightkilled (i.e. a townie) would do, and posting something that would help the town (i.e. wagon analysis) you instead decide to create mass WiFoM and confusion amongst that night actions, of which a few who inherently know more about the set up than a regular townie (i.e. Mafia) could use to their advantage.

Also, I may not like Schezo, but I also dislike your case on Schezo. It wreaks too much of "Day one reasoning" in the fact that the validity of it is based entirely on flips we don't even have. You even go so far as to exclude his day one activity, such as being on a town wagon or anything that might deal with him reacting to people who we know are town.

Quote from: Bardiche 281
The other scummy behaviours were nowhere near telling enough to be immediately lynch-worthy.
And PX's was that much better?

Quote from: Bardiche 281
at the end of D1, you stated that you thought Doll was the scummiest person around. What changed since then and now that you have not mentioned a word of Doll?

You became scummier.
Also, please define "not mentioning a word". I'm really interested in how the meaning of that phrase ties into me literally asking other people to vote him on a multi-lynch day.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 05, 2011, 03:53:33 AM
Schezo-Uh, I'm having trouble understanding this. The ideas kinda blend together. Re-explain pl0x?
orz

Blame my phone posting.  I write, rewrite, wright and rewrite these things so when I do that on my phone, incoherency raises it's ugly little head.

I meant to separate the ideas, I have no reason to kill Kitten because I'm town duo vote leader, and his logic is an ultimatum on screwy mindhax and could be trying to convince everyone to choose between two townies, with a weak attempt of assuring himself and everyone that his lead against a townie won't be as easily pinned back onto him.

Doll S.: Yeah come up with something by tomorrow...  Gracious.

Bard: Oops, cut.  Anyway Zakeri just covered all the misreps and stuff you just pulled that I was going to point out.  It's not as hard as you make it out to be to make out what his convictions are and what he thinks of everyone else, so I'll make an opinion on you when you answer Zak.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: WHMZakeri on March 05, 2011, 03:55:26 AM
Also, catching up:

Conqueror, please when you make a post like that, just delete the comments on everyone who you end up typing "I'll look over later." It makes your post easier, and more delightful to read.
Quote from: Conqueror
Also, it's Zakeri, not Zakurei.
Hakurei :3
I've also been called Zakumo in the past~

Quote from: Dormio
I don't really like how you're telling people to vote for Doll.S, yet you're keeping your vote on Bardiche.
If you're going to tell people to vote for someone, shouldn't you lead by example?
I have two people I want lynched (Well, three, but I'll get to Conqueror tomorrow if it's still relevant), and we get two lynches today. I'll change my vote as needed to make sure Bard and Doll are the top two.
...Which reminds me, I still need to write my speech. *sigh*

Quote from: Doll.S
I really don't have a really good reason for this,
Quote from: Doll.S
No not really, I just can't explain my reason cause I'm not good at those type of things.
Which is it?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 05, 2011, 04:04:18 AM
Wow, what a mistake....well it's the second one if you want to know.

Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 05, 2011, 04:07:14 AM
Okay, firstly, the PX lynch.
Bardiche: Didn't like PX defending Shadoweh and that PX used the whole "Pesco using Zakeri" mess.
Pescar: Felt that PX and I were scum hopping on his wagon, and that PX was the scummier of the two.
Hourai: Didn't like that PX saw Hourai as scummier than Pescar, saying that nothing had changed so why should his opinions have changed?
Conqueror: Basically didn't like the PX/Hourai exchange and decided that PX was the scummier of the two.
Schezo: Also didn't like the PX/Hourai exchange.
Kitten: Well, she's dead and flipped town.


Bardiche: Why would you single out PX for defending Shadoweh when Edible and I also said that we thought that Shadoweh's behavior didn't seem scum-like?
Pesco: OMGUS in a serious vote?
Hanged Hourai: People are constantly changing their thoughts and there was some Pesco x Edible action going on between PX's votes. Are you saying that the game should be held in stasis while you aren't there?
Schezo: Why did PX seem more scummy to you? Neither of them provided opinions on others during their exchange, which was the final point in your argument against PX. (PX asks Hourai to provide opinions without doing so himself first, neither of them ended up doing it)


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Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 05, 2011, 06:22:53 AM
one more post before i sleep. i am going to channel a more unsure of herself feline to help me explain why i do not like any post crown boy has made. i apologize in advance. please at least read bolded lines.

post four three is our first interaction and he votes for me. he then asks if i am fishing for roles by asking people to think about the setup. i hope i do not have to explain why starting by voting for me gave me a bad first impression.

post one zero four is thoughts on the players. waffles on what he thinks about tasty man and rabbit face. he said that he let me go with something he said earlier. since there is no post between four three and one zero four i have no idea what this means. anyways he tries to use the argument red doll boy used in post nine zero that i am trying too hard to read people and bad for being patient. also he tries to use the argument night lurker had about the joke vote wagon against me. he then has this weird paragraph filled with waffles about how i am almost not suspicious but red doll boy is bad for suspecting me and maybe the adorable artificer of automatons is actively lurking which is bad but red doll boy could be setting him up but he really is not contributing. opinion of koumajou densetsu fox is blatantly a parrot of night lurker and takeover king complete with links to posts. seriously this post is a well constructed combination of waffling and the opinions of other players.


post one zero six clarifies why he does not want to run after the adorable blue feline and the cardboard cutout player despite saying a post ago that i should be going after them instead of someone that already posted.

post one zero nine is crown boy misrepresenting waffle buster defending me from red doll boy. i cannot make an opinion on this post that is not biased because the argument is about me. i suggest reading the post to see if you also believe it is misrepresentation.

post one two eight is a response to my question about why crown boy wants to know who the fox thinks is town. this is actually a good defense and lowered my suspicion of crown boy until his next post.

post one eight one is where he votes for the waffle buster. i was counting votes and people who were present at the deadline and his vote sealed the lynch. says he believes tasty man over rabbit face. i question him about this later so i will wait to say more about this waffle. he says i drop alot and he can kinda see some town in my posts. if you waffle any harder you will levitate. his next point is that the cute crafter of cutouts is making him frustrated and he needs to die today if not tomorrow. considering his vote and that there are not enough people online to change the lynch to the cute crafter of cutouts this reads like crown boy is trying to set up a lynch for tomorrow. makes an unconvincing argument for why he is voting waffle buster and votes.

post one eight nine is an answer to me asking why he is not voting for rabbit face if he thinks tasty man is correct. answer is that he was only leaning and did not have a solid opinion because of something night lurker said and he is not for sure that he wants rabbit face to die. this entire post screams the words i do not want to pick a side.

this is where day two begins.

post two one one is a vote on the moe maker of muppets. he posts some dislike of red doll boy and wants me to go over my full case on rabbit face. says i never stated an opinion on rabbit face. i have in post five one and post seven zero stated i think rabbit face was taking it easy and dodging questions instead of doing anything useful. that my argument still applies to rabbit face the next day is bad for him but this post is about crown boy.

post two one three is more dislike of how i did not follow tasty man to the letter about anonymous voting. wants to hear exactly how useless i thought rabbit face was day one. not notable to me.

post two two one is about how terrible ignoring what tasty man said about anonymous voting is and a vote for me while i argue with rabbit face about targetting. every time i post i get the feeling you wait for me to say something perceived as not being town so you can push it relentlessly. his paragraph to the cold pixie is hard to read because it sounds like rambling. it certainly does not give a solid opinion about anything.

post two two five is support for rabbit face against me in the argument we were having about targetting.
post two two eight is more support and being upset with me for claiming my role against rabbit face. he says he does not understand why i claimed my role so easily. he is also misrepresenting what i said but this is likely because i was hard to understand. also restates that town needs to hammer before fourty eight hours pass which was my argument in the first place so i have no idea why he would listen to me if he really thought i was on the red colored team.

post two eight five is about claiming the role of riot leader. the reasoning for using the power given by your role is a good reason. the reasoning for how there is no possibility that crown boy is not on the red colored team with this role is not true. the possibility that the red colored team believes they can skip a day by activating this role exists. roles also tend to be assigned randomly so the idea that because a role sounds inherently like a town role makes that person town does not hold up to examination. crown boy decides to back away from me because i am new but after rereading his posts i still believe that oh my god he sucks.
crown boy does your opinion of the fox change knowing that he is also a new player? he said so when he signed up for this game.

there is another post after this one but i have not had a chance to compare it to others so for now i am skipping post two nine seven.

if this was too long and you did not read it look here.

my case is the opposite of what night lurker argued in post two five eight. crown boy was terrible day one and i feel bad now for not having realized what exactly was wrong with his posts. post one zero four managed to be large and comment on many people and say absolutely nothing original. he has been tunneling against me since my first post. he went out of his way to set up the cute crafter of cutouts as a lynch today just before day one ended. his opinion of rabbit face and tasty man is that he could go either way. there are so many things wrong with all his posts combined that i cannot continue to think that i am just reacting to being attacked.

how does anyone post more then one of these a game i am never making a post using this method again good night.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Pesco on March 05, 2011, 06:26:22 AM
Quote from: Conq 284
Cut by Pesco speculating NK.
Of course we know how well that worked last time, right? >_>

I'm always right 50% of the time.

Quote from: Schezo 285
Hourai: If I am to take Pesco's 278 at face value then the vote should obviously be on Hourai because since I'm town I have nothing to kill kitten for. But it's not.  Pesco hasn't done much scum hunting and like Zakeri said his post about Dormio, it was just more self assurance on what could be a BS vote.

Are you sure you want to claim this is what Zak said? Didn't learn anything from Day1 did you? :V
Too bad if my scumhunting is disappointing because when in doubt, I check Day 1 and ask my instincts.

Quote from: 'Hourai 291"'
Pesco-
I'm a little confused at your NK analysis. If you think Schezo is more likely to be scum than me, then why isn't your vote on him?

I'd like to vote him, but I think you were lying about your ability. From what Kitten had posted, it read to me that she would more likely pursue you. It's only natural that she'd follow up on someone that she talks the most about.

Quote from: 293
Here we go, I was going off memory when I said the protect successfully went up on Edible.
Upon a reread, I now see that I was only informed the my protect did go up on someone, along with one on Pesco.

You see this is why I think your claim is questionable. Why was your primary target not named and yet you are told that the bonus target was specifically me? The results are inconsistent.

Quote from: 295
if we are going to speculate on the night kill then i believe rabbit face would kill his adorable blue feline because rabbit face targets experienced players before considering roles.

Your reasoning for this doesn't go deep enough nor can you explain where your basis comes from. Go read over the second Affinity Special game.

Schezo iso: His PX vote was near the day end, bringing him to L-2. I reckon he could have posted more on PX earlier because he talked about Dormio's (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg565502.html#msg565502) vote on me when PX's vote was already down. Day 1 is consistent as far as everything else goes.

Hourai iso: He never actually posted much on Day 1. Kitten's 2 posts still hold as what's wrong with him. From what I can gather from it it's that he's picked pretty easy places to park his vote (Shadoweh and PX) I've already mentioned what I think are the holes in his claim today.

Cut: reading it separate
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 05, 2011, 07:01:43 AM
Pesco-
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You see this is why I think your claim is questionable. Why was your primary target not named and yet you are told that the bonus target was specifically me? The results are inconsistent.
Blame the mod. I was told what I was told.

Do you see anything wrong with the night action analysis? Or do you have anything to add?
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Night 1 :
Someone, somehow, switches Edible and Bard.  Pesco is now linked to Bard and everything at night happens to the opposite guy.
Bards threat gets sent to Edible, Hourai's doc gets sent to Bard.  Pesco is linked to Bard and is thus protected.
You target Pesco.  Pesco is protected.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Pesco on March 05, 2011, 07:06:38 AM
Depends on the order of priorities, which we won't know until the end. There's no definite way to distinguish what's a 'negative action' that your ability claims to prevent. I'm taking it as a jailkeep effect and it should have disrupted my linking if it was successful.

And I have done a lot of blaming the mod already.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 05, 2011, 07:32:49 AM
Okay, secondly, the night actions.
Bardiche talking at night, don't really know what to make of that.
Using Iced Fairy's summary of actions.
Day 1 : Pesco Links Edible

Night 1 :
Someone, somehow, switches Edible and Bard.  Pesco is now linked to Bard and everything at night happens to the opposite guy.
Bards threat gets sent to Edible, Hourai's doc gets sent to Bard.  Pesco is linked to Bard and is thus protected.
You target Pesco.  Pesco is protected.
Schezo claims responsibility for starting the riot today.
Hourai claims to have inherited PX's waffle vote.

I'm not really sure what to make of these actions.
At first, I thought Hourai was lying about his roleclaim, but I guess it makes more sense if Bardiche is now linked to Pesco instead of Edible and he gains charges every second day.


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Fucking troll internet.
This was meant to be posted HOURS ago.
Instead every time I click anything, I get disconnected and then shit happens.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 05, 2011, 07:33:45 AM
Going to make another post for what I think of day 2 so far.
No idea if my internet will stop being crappy though, so it might be a bit late.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 05, 2011, 07:38:54 AM
FYI, to prove my waffle-vote, I just sent it in on Doll.
I can change it at anytime though.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on March 05, 2011, 07:41:41 AM
Zakeri's wall of quotes: Suspicious behaviour is mentioned after reporting the actions. Lumping them together as "suspicious" without underlining why they are is the primary basis of a reporting style. I never switched from PX nor felt the need to re-iterate my reasons to be on him for he never actually did anything to improve my opinion of him during D1.

If you'd care to note, I posted here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg566919.html#msg566919) with a summation of what I wanted answers from. I do not make it a direct question, but I thought it was patently obvious I wanted to know what I outlined in the first block.

That from when I voted him to when he was lynched he only switched votes to Hourai and spent the rest of his time not posting, or posting answers to questions I never asked is no justification to suddenly come up with new cases, and so your point is lost on me.

During D1, I considered PX a prime lynch taret. Why is it bad that I stck to my primary lynch target, again?

Nightphase conjecture is based on a flawed assumption, and the idea that my words were aimed at town during nightphase. I see no further reason to need to justify what I did during the night because it is nothing more than meaningless conjecture based on flawed assumptions.

PX was my primary lynch target. Of course he was a much better lynch as far as I was concerned.

"Not mentioned a word of Doll" means that you do not spend any time on whether or not Doll is still scummiest at the end of D1. A promise to give someone a free pass for lynching what you think is definite scum is a decidedly strange - especially since you request to "just leave the vote there", rather than voting Doll for scumminess.

Arguing semantics is cute, but not really applicable.

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It wreaks too much of "Day one reasoning" in the fact that the validity of it is based entirely on flips we don't even have

This I find bears special mention. What parts of my case against Schezo is based on flips we don't have, and what flips are these?



Also goddamnit, whoever post restricted Shadoweh, I hate you. That is such a pain to read. I'll make the effort to re-read Schezo's D1 to make sure it is not as terrible as I initially thought.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on March 05, 2011, 07:51:18 AM
EBWOP: Let it also be said that you did not rehash whether Doll was scummy or not to you: you just left a parting note on HOW TO GET ZAKERI FREEBIES, which  doesn't explain why Doll is scummy again and why a lynch is in order.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on March 05, 2011, 08:04:52 AM
I have no reason to kill Kitten because I'm town duo vote leader

 :V Are you seriously going to argue "I'm town so I have no reason to kill people"? Although the role is beneficial to town, this is bastard moddery, and scum wielding a pro-town weapon is not at all outside the realm of possibilities.

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It's not as hard as you make it out to be to make out what his convictions are and what he thinks of everyone else, so I'll make an opinion on you when you answer Zak.

My point is that you have to interpret that yourself for the most part. He posts a wall of reports on what happened, and then uses three to four words to make a throw away comment that "x is suspicious". It's like throwing a bunch of paper on the table, saying, "The evidence speaks for itself! I am right!" without explaining HOW this evidence supports your claim, or why you are right. Zakeri has dug up my D1 actions, but he failed to explain why these are suspicious.

His charge on my "PX wagon vote" is silly considering how little changed between my vote and PX's death. Most of what happened is Edible VS Pesco, which is exciting but not really so.

Cut by having to leave. I'll get this out here.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 05, 2011, 08:21:46 AM
I personally get a headache reading the long post Shadoweh made with his restriction, and I find myself agreeing with some points on re-read. So I translated into sane speech:



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One more post before I sleep. I am going to channel UncertainKitten(?) to help me explain why I do not like any post Schezo has made. I apologize in advance. Please at least read the bolded lines.

#43 is our first interaction and he votes for me. He then asks if I am fishing for roles by asking people to think about the setup. I hope I do not have to explain why starting by voting for me gave me a bad first impression.

#104 is thoughts on the players. Waffles on what he thinks about Edible and Pesco. He said that he let me go with something he said earlier. Since there is no post between 43 and 104, I have no idea what this means. Anyways he tries to use the argument Hourai used in 90 that I am trying too hard to read people and am bad for being patient. Also he tries to use the argument Bard had about the joke vote wagon against me. He then has this weird paragraph filled with waffles about how I am almost not suspicious but Hourai is bad for suspecting me and maybe Doll.S is actively lurking which is bad, but Hourai could be setting him up but he really is not contributing. Opinion of Dormio is blatantly a parrot of Bard and Conqueror complete with links to posts. Seriously this post is a well constructed combination of waffling and the opinions of other players.


106 clarifies why he does not want to run after the adorable blue feline and the cardboard cutout player despite saying a post ago that I should be going after them instead of someone that already posted.

109 is Schezo misrepresenting PX defending me from Hourai. I cannot make an opinion on this post that is not biased because the argument is about me. I suggest reading the post to see if you also believe it is misrepresentation.

128 is a response to my question about why Schezo wants to know who Dormio thinks is town. This is actually a good defense and lowered my suspicion of Schezo until his next post.

181 is where he votes for PX. I was counting votes and people who were present at the deadline and his vote sealed the lynch. Says he believes Edible over Pesco. I question him about this later so I will wait to say more about this waffle. He says I drop alot and he can kinda see some town in my posts. If you waffle any harder you will levitate. His next point is that Doll.S is making him frustrated and he needs to die today if not tomorrow. Considering his vote and that there are not enough people online to change the lynch to Doll.S, this reads like Schezo is trying to set up a lynch for tomorrow. Makes an unconvincing argument for why he is voting PX and votes.

189 is an answer to me asking why he is not voting for Pesco if he thinks Edible is correct. Answer is that he was only leaning and did not have a solid opinion because of something Bard said and he is not for sure that he wants Pesco to die. This entire post screams the words I do not want to pick a side.

This is where day two begins.

211 is a vote on the Doll.S. He posts some dislike of Hourai and wants me to go over my full case on Pesco. Says I never stated an opinion on Pesco. I have in 51 and 70 stated I think Pesco was taking it easy and dodging questions instead of doing anything useful. That my argument still applies to Pesco the next day is bad for him but this post is about Schezo.

213 is more dislike of how I did not follow Edible to the letter about anonymous voting. Wants to hear exactly how useless I thought Pesco was day one. Not notable to me.

221 is about how terrible ignoring what Edible said about anonymous voting is and a vote for me while I argue with Pesco about targeting. Every time I post, I get the feeling you wait for me to say something perceived as not being town so you can push it relentlessly. His paragraph to Iced Fairy is hard to read because it sounds like rambling. It certainly does not give a solid opinion about anything.

225 is support for Pesco against me in the argument we were having about targeting.
228 is more support and being upset with me for claiming my role against Pesco. He says he does not understand why I claimed my role so easily. He is also misrepresenting what I said but this is likely because I was hard to understand. Also restates that town needs to hammer before 48 hours pass which was my argument in the first place so I have no idea why he would listen to me if he really thought I was scum.

285 is about claiming the role of riot leader. The reasoning for using the power given by your role is a good reason. The reasoning for how there is no possibility that Schezo is not scum with this role is not true. The possibility that scum believes they can skip a day by activating this role exists. Roles also tend to be assigned randomly so the idea that because a role sounds inherently like a town role makes that person town does not hold up to examination. Schezo decides to back away from me because i am new, but after rereading his posts I still believe that oh my god he sucks.
Schezo, does your opinion of Dormio change knowing that he is also a new player? He said so when he signed up for this game.

There is another post after this one, but I have not had a chance to compare it to others so for now I am skipping 297.

If this was too long and you did not read it look here.

My case is the opposite of what Bard argued in 258. Schezo was terrible day one and I feel bad now for not having realized what exactly was wrong with his posts. 104 managed to be large and comment on many people and say absolutely nothing original. He has been tunneling against me since my first post. He went out of his way to set up Doll.S as a lynch today just before day one ended. His opinion of Pesco and Edible is that he could go either way. There are so many things wrong with all his posts combined that I cannot continue to think that I am just reacting to being attacked.

How does anyone post more then one of these a game? I am never making a post using this method again. Good night.

<huhwhat> Yeahhh, I'm going to have to put that in quote tags to avoid confusion. Because it is confusing.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 05, 2011, 10:50:11 AM
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Having your router decide to die on you for no apparent reason sucks hard.
I didn't get to read through day 2 properly due to loldisconnects and I'll be busy tomorrow. :/
Trying to read as much as I can now.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: WHMZakeri on March 05, 2011, 12:05:04 PM
Well, I don't know what I could do to make it more clearer that those are my opinions. "These are things you did; I think they mean you are scum." What kind of phrasing should I have used? Should I bring up examples from previous games of things other people did that were similar? Should I take every other line of my post and say "This is something scum would do because yadda yadda yadda."? Or should I just pepper in key words and phrases like "cheap bandwagon hop."

No, Sticking to your guns is not scummy. What is scummy is pretending you have guns to stick to. Your case on PX by the end of the day was because you disagreed with part of his case on Pesco, calling his vote a "cheap bandwagon hop." This post was made after he switched wagons, and stopped pursuing Pesco as a viable lynch. This was also after answering why he felt Pesco's claim of calling Edible for Cheerleading didn't hold up. (Post 161) You then say that whether Pesco's initial case was valid or not had nothing to do with why you suspected PX, who voted for Pesco because of the invalid case, and proceed to pin on him the fact that he claimed the "He said, She said" nature between myself and Pesco was part of his reason for the initial vote.

So, If I read this right, your main (possibly only) reason for your "primary" lynch on day one was because  you didn't like the way he talked about the most insignificant part of his case on Pesco, and therefore the whole vote was just a silly bandwagon hop. This was, of course, a significant enough feeling to ignore and deny PX's responses, as well as ignore the possibility of voting for somebody other than Pesco or Edible at any point in the day.

Doll is scum to me for the same reasons as yesterday, which hasn't changed for the better so far. Those reasons are "Active lurking" "avoiding stances on people," "Avoiding votes," and, with the recent addition from my last post "Contradictory stances on Pesco, regarding reasons for his vote."

Speaking of contradictory stances...
Quote from: Bardiche
A promise to give someone a free pass for lynching what you think is definite scum is a decidedly strange - especially since you request to "just leave the vote there", rather than voting Doll for scumminess.

Arguing semantics is cute, but not really applicable.
I'm having a lot of trouble trying to determine if that arguing semantics line is in reference to something I said, or if you're trying to lampshade the fact that your accusation in the quoted point above is based solely on the semantics of my request for a Doll.S lynch.

As for your case on Schezo, you list three points. The first, which you expanded on and make it seem like the most important point is that his vote for Shadoweh is based largely on the fact that Shadoweh anon voted before public voting. The other points, which I missed because they were complete throwaway comments were that he ignores Shad's comments, and tunnels on her. This is of course ignoring the fact that most of Shadoweh's (and really, almost everyone's) posts can be safely ignored since most of them are role and setup speculations, which only have and only will serve to confuse townies. This also ignores important bits like Schezo responding to comments Shadoweh makes. In post 225 Schezo points out a phrase of Shadoweh that implies she thinks it would be a good idea to lynch a townie. This is a valid reaction from someone who is voting for her because he thinks she is scum.

All that leaves is the fact that he's voting for Shadoweh. Except he's not. In post 285, Schezo took heart the realization that shadoweh is inclined to do newbie things, realized the basis of his case was faulty, and switched his vote. You are still voting for Schezo for his case on Shadoweh, but he no longer holds that case. So what is the reasoning behind your current vote now that it's gone stale?

Your vote on PX was made on flimsy reasoning with standard keywords added to make your case seem valid. Despite changes occuring as the day goes on, you handwave it as nothing important, and hold onto your vote.
Your vote on Schezo, on day 2, was made on flimsy reasoning with standard keywords added to make your case seem valid. Despite changes occuring as the day goes on, you ignore the way Schezo has proceeded with his case, and hold onto your vote.
You attacks and your defenses against my case on you are filled to the brim with misrepresentations of what I'm trying to convey. Calling me out for a reporter style, then refining that claim to some inane, almost meaningless definition (one that encompass your own cases on Schezo and PX no less) .

Your posts are filled with crap-logic that is being carefully hidden in a way so as to make you seem vaguely pro-town, and is actively being used as explanations for votes on people, at least one of which is confirmed town. This is suspicious, and since you like having everything explained for you, I'll go ahead and say why. It is suspicious because Town wants to lynch Scum, and scum want to avoid being lynched by townies. It is suspicious because townies and scum subconsciously act different from one another. This subconscious difference means that scum need to find other reasons for lynching people than the fact that they are scum. This often forces them to find poor reasons for voting for someone, and pretending that those reasons are good ones. This is exactly what you are doing, to PX, to Schezo, and even to myself. This means that you are doing something that scum would most likely do in any given game. This means, that I think you are scum.

##Unvote
##Vote: Bardiche
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 05, 2011, 12:47:54 PM
All the role stuff compounds my headache.

Okay, so Doll.S has only posted three today.
One to vote Pesco despite "not having a really good reason".
Second post to say that he has a reason, but no idea how to explain it.
Third post to emphasize telepathic powers.

The current debate seems to be Schezo v. Bardiche.
Both of them were on the PX wagon in day one.
Kitten had nothing solid on either, but a "feeling" that something about how Schezo was playing was wrong.
Do you guys feel like answering my questions (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569454.html#msg569454)?

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Also, orz, I probably wont be here most of tomorrow and I'll also be absent on Monday due to loluni. (Classes from 9~5, yeaaaaaah)
I like how stuff seems to come up for me when the day is nearing its end.

##Unvote
##Vote Doll.S


Here's hoping I get a chance to post tomorrow.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: WHMZakeri on March 05, 2011, 01:25:44 PM
Dearest Holywhat,
Votecount and deadline, please.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 05, 2011, 06:00:26 PM
red doll boy is now upgraded to crimson doll helper. can you translate this question for the cute crafter of cutouts? i do not think he knows i am asking him something. the question is if he is the one that sent night lurker the threatening private message. also that i do not hate him either and want him to keep trying to play until he is not able to speak.

i have not commented yet on the argument between best outfit ever and night lurker. i can see points against both sides.

night lurker made a case against crown boy that i agreed with when he wrote it but after examining crown boy on day one i disagree. his day one was that terrible. i honestly do not understand why best outfit ever would need to explain again why he wants to lynch the moe maker of muppets because his reason has not changed and is still valid from day one.

best outfit ever confused me when he went from saying crimson doll helper was the most likely of the day one wagons to be on the red colored team in post one nine five to saying his vote flowed naturally and he was getting a pass in post two seven one. if it was so natural why did you vote for him? the case against night lurker in post three one three seems legitimate to me and i agree with the paragraphs about the crown boy case.

besides my bolded point i am having difficulty convincing myself to side with night lurker after reading these posts. i still prefer a rabbit face or crown boy lynch today. it seems likely crown boy backed off of me because other players told him his case was bad and he did the same thing day one. rabbit face made such a convincing case on crown boy that i almost forgot he was voting for crimson doll helper. if we decide to lynch night lurker i will reveal what should happen when he dies.

from this post we have six hours until anonymous votes count. i was also wrong and will be back two hours before this deadline.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: WHMZakeri on March 05, 2011, 06:15:12 PM
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Zakeri confused me when he went from saying Hourai was the most likely of the day one wagons to be scum in post 195 to saying his vote flowed naturally and Hourai was getting a pass in post 271. If it was so natural why did you vote for him?

Between PX, Edible, and Hourai, I thought Hourai was the most scummy.
Between Hourai, Schezo, Bardiche, Conqueror, and Pesco, Hourai is actually the least scummy.
There is no contradiction here.

Like I said in the post voting Hourai, I'd rather have been voting Doll.S. When deadline came up, I attempted to analyze all relevant parties at the time, and I found PX to actually be one of the more townie people posting this game.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 05, 2011, 07:00:52 PM
Okay.  I better make a post before things get even harder to follow.

First off : For all those claiming the spirit of Kitten4U is talking to them, I hate to break this to you, but she's dead.  And the game's changed a little since then (not enough, but a little).  If her cases are good expand upon them please.

Thanks to Hourai for Shadoweh's post.

Alright I was going to consider the merits of everyone's case so we stop having towny slapfights over stupid things, then I realized that was stupid so I'll just scum hunt personally.

Pesco: Still #1.  Oh hey, it's a post with some actual facts! ....  Which don't make any sense.  The only good thing there was pointing out Schezo's bad post about Pescos bad post.  His accusation on Hourai still seems to be terribly forced, and based on the minor wording, of a night PM Hourai received, that Hourai should (if he's town) have no clue of the significance of.  Oh and on Kitten4U speaking to him from beyond the grave.

I'm somewhat concerned at how he's getting a free pass for this.  He created mass chaos with that link, both on day one and day two, creating the type of confusion that only leads to town lynchings, and has been sort of drifting along with bad bad scumhunting.

Dolls : Seems to be the designated lurker kill today.  I can live with this.  Less lurkers at lylow is always better.

Dormio : I dislike the dichotomy you give, the weakness of your claims (since the start) and how you ignore swaths of the scummy playerbase.  I'm cutting you slack though because people haven't answered your questions.

Bardiche and Zak : Not sure on it yet, though my gut agrees with Zak on some level.  Sadly I don't see all the facts to back it up yet.  I just think there's better lynching to be done today.

Also repeating the call for votecount.  I for one, believe Hourai, and I'd really hate to see the doctor lynched.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Pesco on March 05, 2011, 07:15:24 PM
Players don't die for no reason. If Kitten died this early, there is justification behind it. Someone believed that she was enough of a threat to warrant silencing, so it's a very good chance that her leads are warmer than what's out here.

I don't consider how I'm the lead lynch at the moment a free pass by any means.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 05, 2011, 07:19:55 PM
How the hell do we have three comods and no votecount? <_<;

Anyway, I'm starting to buy into Pesco's vote on Schezo, but I still need to independently justify it for myself, which I'll do right now.  Nevertheless - pesco, you said you were going to do a reread of schezo yourself.  Shall we compare notes?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 05, 2011, 07:26:51 PM
 :derp:

EBWOP:

Forgot the other people on the list because I've been waiting on them to post.  Shouldn't let potential lurkscum to pass...

Schezo -  I was figuring he was derp town due to how passionate he was about bad ideas, and I still get that feel.  I'm not sure how to feel about the fact that his vote went straight to a lurk lynch after only one scumhunting post that spoke on two people (and one via very bad logic at that).

Schezo, who do you think is active scum?

Conqueror - Heya.  Lurker #2.  Lurking is bad, mkay   :fail:

Cut: Pesco, I'm pretty sure you aren't the lead lynch though a votecount would help.

And maybe the reason K4U died is because she was less derp then the rest of town?\
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 05, 2011, 07:50:13 PM
Okay, I'm not going to pretend this count is even close to accurate, due to anon voting and other shenanagins, but here's where things should stand if the votes on the table are real.

Pesco - Edible, Iced Fairy, Dolls
Dolls - Schezo, Dormio
Schezo - Bardiche, shadoweh
Dormio - Hourai, Conqueror
Hanged Hourai - Pesco
Bardiche - Zak

If Hourai is telling the truth Dolls will be 2nd lynch by tie breaker.

Warning : Wave of darkness makes this set purely guesswork.  Only a real votecounter can tell you what the votes are.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 05, 2011, 08:13:13 PM
Holy Votecount
Pesco (3) - Edible, ????????, Iced Fairy, Shadoweh, Doll.S
Hanged Hourai (1) - ????????, Shadoweh, Pesco, Dormio
Polaris (0) - ????????
Doll.S (2.5) - Schezo, Dormio, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles
Shadoweh (0) - Pesco, Schezo
Schezo (2) - Bardiche, Shadoweh
Dormio (2) - Hanged Hourai, Conqueror
Bardiche (1) - Zakeri
Not Voting: ????????
With 11 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~28 hours left in the day.

Pesco and Doll.S are currently in the lynch spotlight. You have 4 hours until wagons with anonyvotes on them become hammerable.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 05, 2011, 08:24:59 PM
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post four three is our first interaction and he votes for me. he then asks if i am fishing for roles by asking people to think about the setup. i hope i do not have to explain why starting by voting for me gave me a bad first impression.
I actually want you to because that means to me that you could be holding onto me being one of the few who got onto you and it could be clouding your judgment.

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post one zero four is thoughts on the players. waffles on what he thinks about tasty man and rabbit face. he said that he let me go with something he said earlier. since there is no post between four three and one zero four i have no idea what this means. anyways he tries to use the argument red doll boy used in post nine zero that i am trying too hard to read people and bad for being patient. also he tries to use the argument night lurker had about the joke vote wagon against me. he then has this weird paragraph filled with waffles about how i am almost not suspicious but red doll boy is bad for suspecting me and maybe the adorable artificer of automatons is actively lurking which is bad but red doll boy could be setting him up but he really is not contributing. opinion of koumajou densetsu fox is blatantly a parrot of night lurker and takeover king complete with links to posts. seriously this post is a well constructed combination of waffling and the opinions of other players.
When you accuse me of twisting your information, don't do the same to me.  At that point, the only thing that happened to Pesco/Edible was their initial argument at the very beginning.  I had no idea what to think of them at that point and it's instantly a waffle when either could have been lying at that point.  Please define what you think waffle is.  The attempt to convict you that you say was a legitimate concern because we hadn't heard from multiple people at that point and you kept egging on a vig/drastic measures.  I admit, I could have worded that post better but you're taking stuff out of context.  You want to call me out on blatant parroting, when I left quotes of the people who brought up the points not claiming them as my own but as good thinking points, yet you take Kitten's 160  (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg566487.html#msg566487)and call me out for exactly what you're doing right now except without the link to the author.  And what, your last point, you don't want me to give opinions on other people?  How does that make sense?

Quote from: Shadoweh
post one eight one is where he votes for the waffle buster. i was counting votes and people who were present at the deadline and his vote sealed the lynch. says he believes tasty man over rabbit face. i question him about this later so i will wait to say more about this waffle. he says i drop alot and he can kinda see some town in my posts. if you waffle any harder you will levitate. his next point is that the cute crafter of cutouts is making him frustrated and he needs to die today if not tomorrow. considering his vote and that there are not enough people online to change the lynch to the cute crafter of cutouts this reads like crown boy is trying to set up a lynch for tomorrow. makes an unconvincing argument for why he is voting waffle buster and votes.
No shit I was setting Doll up for a lunch because at that point I knew I was using my power and he would be part of my duo lynch.
You're telling me my argument of PX wasn't convincing because I had some reasons to convict him and thought they rang true with what everyone else brought up about his alignment.  Looking back now, I see some emotion clouded my judgment, but I still saw him a better vote over Hourai at that point because Hourai wasn't being as bad as PX.

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post one eight nine is an answer to me asking why he is not voting for rabbit face if he thinks tasty man is correct. answer is that he was only leaning and did not have a solid opinion because of something night lurker said and he is not for sure that he wants rabbit face to die. this entire post screams the words i do not want to pick a side.
This is silly.  Once again you're trying to take a point out on me for not instantly believing Edible like you did and I look bad for it?  There was not near enough information at that time for me to choose one or the other and you want to hold it against me for not playing like you do.

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also restates that town needs to hammer before fourty eight hours pass which was my argument in the first place so i have no idea why he would listen to me if he really thought i was on the red colored team.
Just because one is scum doesn't mean they can put out some valid points.  I don't like this.

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post two eight five is about claiming the role of riot leader. the reasoning for using the power given by your role is a good reason. the reasoning for how there is no possibility that crown boy is not on the red colored team with this role is not true. the possibility that the red colored team believes they can skip a day by activating this role exists. roles also tend to be assigned randomly so the idea that because a role sounds inherently like a town role makes that person town does not hold up to examination. crown boy decides to back away from me because i am new but after rereading his posts i still believe that oh my god he sucks.
I don't see the post restriction that someone put on you being a pro town role if you know what I mean.  While roles can be assigned randomly , things like roleblocker tend to be more scum affiliated.  I'll give you that it doesn't hold up, but I don't see scum wanting to end the game sooner by giving town more votes.  Having town maybe waste a day on Doll seems like a much better way to go about it because then they would get two nightkills for two lynches instead of 2 nightkills for 3 lynches.

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crown boy does your opinion of the fox change knowing that he is also a new player? he said so when he signed up for this game.
Don't ask me loaded questions.  There is a clear difference between me giving you a slight clear for being new and trying some features out and generally playing bad.  This is my third game on this board and so far I was scum twice so there's no reason for me to not put Dormio under the ringer like everyone else just because he is new, especially when he's been playing bad.

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post one zero four managed to be large and comment on many people and say absolutely nothing original
Is a bold faced lie.  There are unique opinions on what I think in there. 

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he went out of his way to set up the cute crafter of cutouts as a lynch today just before day one ended.
I already answered this but again, I knew I was using my power today and getting rid of a lurker earlier on, (which still hasn't posted anything) is helpful to town I thought so I don't see the problem with me setting it up early.

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there are so many things wrong with all his posts combined that i cannot continue to think that i am just reacting to being attacked.

And what the hell Shadoweh? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569743.html#msg569743)  Part of your attack on me is because I didn't immediately choose between Edible and Pesco yet you want to do the same thing and not expect me to call you out on it?  Really?  Can you see where I was coming from earlier now, or are you still going to hold it against me?
And I backed up off you because others pointed a point out that I completely understood, yet you want to hold that against me still.  Would you rather I didn't hold any sympathy for how a new person played and just bash you?

--

Dormio: I chose PX over Hourai because I got a bit emotional.  He was more blatant about doing bad play and Hourai slipped under my senses.  Also his not answering the question Bard asked him correctly didn't help him in any way.  You yourself still haven't done anything though, so that's not good.

Iced Fairy: At who I think is active scum?  At this point, I'm seeing Pesco and Bard.  Pesco's reasoning on how Kitten's death could be because she was warmer on the scum is bullshit.  If he or anyone else is scum, there's no reason why they just didn't kill her out of experience and in Pesco's case to give himself a talking point on people because the nightkill most closely relates to certain people when it can easily be set up for just that reason.  That's a very weak reason to put on me and I don't like how you take it and run with it.  Leading us with one way logic, "If Kitten died this early, there is justification behind it." isn't good either because let's not throw it out there that scum could have random killed to just stir up drama, which Pesco seems to be following like planned or is one of the scum who set it up to do this.

Bard, his PX case made sense, but the squabble with Zakeri is bad.  He contorted Zakeri's information to try and make him look like the bad guy.  This:
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Nightphase conjecture is based on a flawed assumption, and the idea that my words were aimed at town during nightphase. I see no further reason to need to justify what I did during the night because it is nothing more than meaningless conjecture based on flawed assumptions.
is dodging the comment on how he did nothing town proactive with his night power when he easily could and should have.
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:V Are you seriously going to argue "I'm town so I have no reason to kill people"? Although the role is beneficial to town, this is bastard moddery, and scum wielding a pro-town weapon is not at all outside the realm of possibilities.
I haven't seen bastard mod yet, I've seen rolemadness but I guess I take it that it's possible.
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My point is that you have to interpret that yourself for the most part. He posts a wall of reports on what happened, and then uses three to four words to make a throw away comment that "x is suspicious". It's like throwing a bunch of paper on the table, saying, "The evidence speaks for itself! I am right!" without explaining HOW this evidence supports your claim, or why you are right. Zakeri has dug up my D1 actions, but he failed to explain why these are suspicious.
I guess because I got all the evidence that he brought up when I first read it without thinking about why is why I feel bad about you.  It did in fact speak for itself when I read it and I'm pretty sure it does for others as well.
Zakeri's 313 helps support my opinion on Bard too, I agree with almost all or it.  The only part is where Bard's PX wasn't completely justified and I felt it was after mid day because that's when I arrived and read it all at once but the point where the PX vote wasn't kosher on the beginning makes some sense, because  I hadn't thought about it.

I think that's enough for now and I'll clarify if some of this is in-comprehensive.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 05, 2011, 08:26:31 PM
@mod: Does that mean there is an anony vote on Shadoweh?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 05, 2011, 08:27:38 PM
No, it means I'm a retard.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Pesco on March 05, 2011, 08:53:36 PM
Edible: Bottom of the post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569549.html#msg569549). And I'm voting Hourai.

No matter how I revote, I'm still in the lead to die unless someone gets off me. Pretty much a given that you guys aren't shifting.

##Unvote
##Vote Schezo


Almost purely a not-me vote at this stage. I expect to see people take responsibility for their tunneling after my flip.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 05, 2011, 09:00:34 PM
Pesco-
You vote knocks Doll out of the potential second lynch. Do you see a reason for Doll to stay alive?
The day's effect was (supposedly) intended to get rid of him.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Pesco on March 05, 2011, 09:01:08 PM
I expect the derps voting me to switch to DollS in that case
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 05, 2011, 09:24:17 PM
Quick post for now until I have time for a longer one later. I haven't had time for an extensive re-read but here are some initial thoughts Re: Bard vs Zak.

Zak looks slightly better at first glance (mainly because he is on the attack and Bard is on the defensive) but it's hard to tell because both Bard and Zak have posted long walls of text poking at points in the air, especially Bard's #308, which I can't make much sense out of - if you're going to do a line-by-line argument, it would be nice if you quoted the lines you're responding to. That particular post is just a rambling mess.

Anyway, the arguments on both sides are filled with fluff. I'm looking at half the points you guys bring up on each other and they're full of insinuations, tautology, and non-opinions. I had specific examples earlier but I forgot them upon reread; I will probably bring them up again later. I would appreciate it if you two would cut the posts down to size to actual content instead of :wikipedia:.

Here's my attempt to summarize the points you two are vomiting at each other. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Zak: Bard is being dodgy and manipulative with words.
Bard: Zak is wrong.

Bard has always been manipulative with words ::) but his most recent posts have been fairly unimpressive (to me, at least). At least Zak is more coherent. I will bring up my own points against Bard and Zak later.


@Edible: Repeating my question:
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Justify why you are giving Hourai, Shadoweh, and Bardiche a pass, seeing as I haven't seen you give any substantial opinions on them. Or link me to the post where you did. This statement reeks of passivity, and I don't like it.

Conqueror, please when you make a post like that, just delete the comments on everyone who you end up typing "I'll look over later."
Oh, that's just so I don't forget to look at them later on.  :3

(Well, three, but I'll get to Conqueror tomorrow if it's still relevant)
Well, there's no reason for you not to bring up your case on me today. Could you elaborate on your point in #271?

Cut by Pesco's vote: What.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 05, 2011, 09:46:01 PM
Edible: Bottom of the post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569549.html#msg569549).

Thanks.  My biggest problems D1 with Schezo are his early vote on Shadoweh and his late vote on PX.  The timing of his PX vote is what bothers me the most; it's arguably the vote that cemented the lynch.

@Conq: My bad.

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Justify why you are giving Hourai, Shadoweh, and Bardiche a pass, seeing as I haven't seen you give any substantial opinions on them. Or link me to the post where you did. This statement reeks of passivity, and I don't like it.

I'm giving Hourai a pass because I buy his claim for now.  As I stated here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg568789.html#msg568789), his doc results claim match up with what pesco experienced the same night.

I'm giving Shadoweh and Bardiche a pass because neither have given me much reason to consider them as scum.  Shadoweh's been giving me townie vibes since D1 and little has changed.  The biggest sticking point from Zak's case on Bardiche is that Bard didn't exactly use his night talk ability to much effectiveness, which is a pretty weak point overall.

I'll be switching my vote to Doll because he's been absurdly useless all day and can't even bother to state his opinions.  Preferred secondary lynch is schezo or pesco.  I'm not sold on pesco yet, but I don't think he absolutely needs to be lynched today.  He's been more helpful today than he was yesterday.  Doll has gone from little content to no content whatsoever.

##unvote: Pesco
##vote: Doll
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 05, 2011, 10:15:57 PM
what in the name of town are you all doing? there is less then two hours left and none of the wagons are even close to being hammered. i do not know if people have forgotten but this lynch is not going to pass without seven votes.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 05, 2011, 10:30:53 PM
Ah, you don't need all seven votes to lynch someone by the end of the day unless the mod says so. Someone just need the highest vote by the end of the day to get lynced.

Also, as a parting word to you all, May town be victories and let's not have a fifth scum win in a roll....

Also I suck...need to get better...
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 05, 2011, 10:36:24 PM
Oh dear lord.  Pesco escapes again....  By posting one fact.  Since day one.  On a day one vote that's pretty obviously derp town.

Ugh.

Well as Shadoweh has pointed out the clock is rapidly ticking down to doomsday, with no clear lynch in sight.  And while the chances of that happening is zero, I'm not going to give scum a better shot at things.  I'll vote Dolls right before the anon lynch kicks in if people refuse to abandon the Schezo vote.

Remember, there will be no final votecount, so if we don't have two clear wagons scum can last minute swap and kill a random townie.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 05, 2011, 10:37:33 PM
the day is not over for another twenty and five hours my moe maker of muppets so unless those votes appear you will still be alive. we want the day to end in one and a half hours because if we do not the votes we cannot see will be able to change our lynches.

i am asking you to pay attention right now because we need your vote now more then any other day.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 05, 2011, 10:38:21 PM
Note : Given huhwhat's votecount I'll switch at 3:55 PST if people insist on the Schezo lynch.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 05, 2011, 10:47:19 PM
So you'll switch to me?  What?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 05, 2011, 10:49:46 PM
No.  I'll vote for Dolls.  Of course if we lynch Dolls that means you'll still die I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 05, 2011, 10:52:06 PM
EBWOP and of course if people decide to vote of Pesco, the source of most of towns troubles, I'll be very very happy to keep my vote right here.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 05, 2011, 10:55:14 PM
Also I suck...need to get better...

No, you need to play the game.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 05, 2011, 10:55:40 PM
As I stated before, I'm willing to switch to Doll S. or Pesco depending on what we all decide.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 05, 2011, 10:57:44 PM
EBWOP: Clarification. Doll S. is looking to be today's primary lynch. As I previously noted, I would be willing to switch to Doll S. to secure his lynch, or switch to Pesco as secondary. Of course I could also stay on Dormio, as I find him the most scummy, but no one seems to be looking in his direction.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 05, 2011, 10:58:24 PM
i need to know if crimson doll helper is here because we will need the waffle buster for the second lynch. right now the easiest solution seems to be to make moe maker of muppets our primary lynch so he needs votes on him and the waffles need to be moved.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 05, 2011, 11:07:55 PM
EBWOP: Clarification. Doll S. is looking to be today's primary lynch. As I previously noted, I would be willing to switch to Doll S. to secure his lynch, or switch to Pesco as secondary. Of course I could also stay on Dormio, as I find him the most scummy, but no one seems to be looking in his direction.
Dormio's lynch doesn't seem to be happening today because people aren't showing up and we're going into the last 24 hours. Agh.

So Shadoweh, feel like answering my questions at this point?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 05, 2011, 11:09:46 PM
Doll- Roleclaim.

Well I can see that Dormio isn't going to get lynched today, and I don't like Schezo's conduct D1 along with his explanations of his actions, but I will support a Pesco lynch also.

##Unvote: Dormio
##Vote: Schezo


And yes, I will move my waffle from Doll to Schezo.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 05, 2011, 11:11:36 PM
answering your questions right now will take too long and we are running out of time. the shorter version is the more you have posted after your claim the less sure i am that i want you to die before rabbit face.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 05, 2011, 11:12:28 PM
Orz, didn't see that Schezo said the same thing about Dormio.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 05, 2011, 11:17:44 PM
You don't like my reasons and leave it at that?  You better start explaining which ones you don't like right now please.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 05, 2011, 11:18:50 PM
Hourai, did you just move Schezo in the vote count ahead of Doll S.?

Also, before I forget,
##Unvote: Dormio
##Vote: Doll S.


His Day 2 was even more damning than his contentless Day 1. Also, everything I said before blah blah.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Pesco on March 05, 2011, 11:20:57 PM
Fairy: who else is scum? Because you've presented no other avenues from all this tunneling on me.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 05, 2011, 11:29:48 PM
##Unvote:
##Vote:Pesco

I already explained why I think he's scum in my big post and with everything else people's said, let's go.

Why do we get 1 votecount every 8-12 hours with 3 people capable of doing it? :|
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 05, 2011, 11:30:03 PM
Current thoughts. Pesco is scum. His mindhax play day 1 succeeds in confusing town for 2 days straight, and derp plays off of the confusion allow town to form cases on itself, then he can sail away on a wave of mutilation and quick jump to the bigest wagon. As a bonus night actions are a mess.

Worse he's made only one scumhunting post in all this time that wasn't OMGUS, blatant lies or "because Kitten would have wanted it this way."  And that one fact was on a very early day one case that Pesco is guilty of screwing up as well.

Bardiche is likely scumbuddy. His excuse that the Day 1 Pesco Edible feud obfuscates Pesco's terribad play while drawing attention to the link.  Everyone's powers go there and madness ensues.  Bardiche continues to ignore Pesco while sniping a mistakes caused by the mass town confusion.  Bard has felt off all game to me, because he's been weak in his probing.

3rd scum is probably lurkscum, because it's effective. I can only pray it's Dolls instead of Dormio or Conqueror, but I lean more towards Dormio with his drop in, cast blame run style.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 05, 2011, 11:32:23 PM
I have been counting the votes and now that rabbit face is here our options are any player if he will agree to put a vote on them.

##unvote
##vote doll.s


also since this is hopefully the last few minutes of this day i am going to say now that if night ranter is killed
 the day effect is that we will not see the flip from that day until the next morning.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 05, 2011, 11:38:36 PM
That's good info Shadoweh.

Can you state what the effects will be when we lynch Dolls?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 05, 2011, 11:41:15 PM
to be clear it will affect the day after night lurker dies not  the day or night that night ranter dies.

i have no idea what will happen when moe maker of muppets dies besides that tasty man will stop hitting his forehead.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 05, 2011, 11:44:12 PM
The "There Are More Than 48 Hours In This Day" Votecount
Pesco (3) - Edible, ????????, Iced Fairy, Shadoweh, Doll.S, Schezo
Hanged Hourai (0) - ????????, Shadoweh, Pesco, Dormio
Polaris (0) - ????????
Doll.S (4) - Schezo, Dormio, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Edible, Conqueror, Shadoweh
Shadoweh (0) - Pesco, Schezo
Schezo (3.5) - Bardiche, Shadoweh, Pesco, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Hanged Hourai,
Dormio (0) - Hanged Hourai, Conqueror
Bardiche (1) - Zakeri
Not Voting: ????????
With 11 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~25 hours left in the day.

Doll is at L-3!
Doll.S and Schezo are currently in the lynch spotlight. You have 15 minutes until wagons with anonyvotes on them become hammerable.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 05, 2011, 11:46:36 PM
You have Schezo voting twice. Jeez.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 05, 2011, 11:47:57 PM
Fixed.

In my defense, the votes in this day have been really confusing. <_<
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 05, 2011, 11:50:32 PM
Oh, and also, I believe this was pointed out before:

Doll.S (4) - Schezo, Dormio, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Edible, Conqueror, Shadoweh
With 11 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~25 hours left in the day. [/color]
Doll is at L-2!

I swear the counting disease spread over from the previous game. ;)
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 05, 2011, 11:51:06 PM
God dammit Hourai, if I die to the waffle... I want you all to follow up on him and rectify my death, I mean I got you all in the craziest frenzy since the storming of the Bastille.  :V

I'm serious about that first part though.

Sigh, I have 1 more ability to find out completely and fully anyone who was lynched abilities.  But since we pretty much know all about PX's powers me using it would be moot.  And if I die today, fuck it.

@huh what: then stop giving people crazy powers then. :V
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 05, 2011, 11:52:09 PM
It's 3:55 and the waffle has spoken.  Unless Zakurei wants to be the deciding factor.

##Unvote Pesco
##Vote Dolls


"Understand sir, I do this under protest."
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 05, 2011, 11:56:19 PM
Sigh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyaUPVtp2MI&t=0m57s)
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 05, 2011, 11:58:11 PM
Orz, no time for full post.

Ignores this point.
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post one zero six clarifies why he does not want to run after the adorable blue feline and the cardboard cutout player despite saying a post ago that i should be going after them instead of someone that already posted.

Argh, I don't want scum anony voting.

##Unvote
##Vote: Doll


FFFFFF what is going on?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 06, 2011, 12:00:21 AM
Because I ignored one goddam post when I SAID NO SUCH THING! :colonveeplusalpha:

I never even said I was going to pursue them if you read it!
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 06, 2011, 12:02:42 AM
we have missed the deadline and we are horrible. we appear to have a problem that with the people here to hammer either rabbit face or crown boy would have to move their vote and let themselves be lynched.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 06, 2011, 12:03:46 AM
Wagons with Anonymous Votes may now be hammered!
Pesco (2.5) - Edible, ????????, Iced Fairy, Shadoweh, Doll.S, Schezo, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles
Hanged Hourai (0) - ????????, Shadoweh, Pesco, Dormio
Polaris (0) - ????????
Doll.S (6) - Schezo, Dormio, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Edible, Conqueror, Shadoweh, Iced Fairy, Hanged Hourai
Shadoweh (0) - Pesco, Schezo
Schezo (2) - Bardiche, Shadoweh, Pesco, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Hanged Hourai,
Dormio (0) - Hanged Hourai, Conqueror
Bardiche (1) - Zakeri
Not Voting: ????????
With 11 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~24 hours left in the day.

Doll is at L-1!
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 06, 2011, 12:05:02 AM
uh
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 06, 2011, 12:05:48 AM
uh
Is this a comment on the votecount?

Because apparently I've been making a lot of mistakes lately. <_<
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 06, 2011, 12:06:26 AM
I believe it's a comment on the waffle waffling.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 06, 2011, 12:06:38 AM
Just commenting on the waffle magically appearing on pesco again.

Hoooourai...
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 06, 2011, 12:06:52 AM
FFFFFFFF
It said that Doll had L-2!

This was a bit of a gambit to get Pesco lynched, and to have Schezo confess town.
Because I believe he's townie.

Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 06, 2011, 12:10:14 AM
That was pretty dumb of you, all things considered.

@mod: Not sure if this was brought up yet, but 11 living means 6 would be the lynch threshold.  Any reason why it's 7?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 06, 2011, 12:13:01 AM
... I think I might have forgotten to fix the number after D1 ended.

Ah well. It's too late to go back and change it, considering the current scenario.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 06, 2011, 12:13:39 AM
ignoring how insane doing that was how would that have gotten rabbit face lynched since the only way the waffle would matter right now is if best outfit ever voted for moe maker of muppets.

can someone ask for another vote counting
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 06, 2011, 12:14:07 AM
... I think I might have forgotten to fix the number after D1 ended.

Ah well. It's too late to go back and change it, considering the current scenario.

DERP.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 06, 2011, 12:15:27 AM
ignoring how insane doing that was how would that have gotten rabbit face lynched since the only way the waffle would matter right now is if best outfit ever voted for moe maker of muppets.

can someone ask for another vote counting
Pesco (2.5) - Edible, ????????, Iced Fairy, Shadoweh, Doll.S, Schezo, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles
Hanged Hourai (0) - ????????, Shadoweh, Pesco, Dormio
Polaris (0) - ????????
Doll.S (6) - Schezo, Dormio, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Edible, Conqueror, ????????, Iced Fairy, Hanged Hourai, ????????
Shadoweh (0) - Pesco, Schezo
Schezo (1) - ????????, Shadoweh, Pesco, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Hanged Hourai,
Dormio (0) - Hanged Hourai, Conqueror
Bardiche (1) - Zakeri
Not Voting: ????????
With 11 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~24 hours left in the day.

Doll is at L-1!
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 06, 2011, 12:16:45 AM
hey look at that i unvoted and someone else tried to hammer.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 06, 2011, 12:17:27 AM
Also, mod, with 11 left, it takes 7 to lynch? Is that part of the day effect?

And I never got a reply. :V
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 06, 2011, 12:17:58 AM
to prove that is not me ## vote bardiche because he is the missing vote.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 06, 2011, 12:18:14 AM
Bardiches bitch ass just said he's scum
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 06, 2011, 12:18:30 AM
Oh and that neither wagon is right
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 06, 2011, 12:19:04 AM
derp
##Unvote:
##Vote: Bardiche
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 06, 2011, 12:19:11 AM
....

.....

.....

.....

##Unvote Dolls
##Vote Bardiche

Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 06, 2011, 12:20:15 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: Bard


And they say you never get a sure answer as to who's scum in this game. :V
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on March 06, 2011, 12:20:37 AM
:V I thought it'd be more exciting. Oh well, good game.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 06, 2011, 12:21:05 AM
I'd like to state that my theory stands.  It's too bad we won't be able to prove it until day after next.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 06, 2011, 12:21:35 AM
I am laughing my ass off. Shadoweh ilu.

##Unvote
##Vote:Bard

L-1

By the way we should make sure the secondary lynch is on someone we want before we accidentally hammer.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 06, 2011, 12:22:15 AM
If Bardiche is scum, (but really, if he isn't), then Doll, Me and Shadoweh probably get a really good clear from me, because Shadoweh would have taken a level in badass for unvote like a smarty.  Me especially :V.

cut by the man himself: well
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on March 06, 2011, 12:23:07 AM
Yeah, Shadoweh got me good. I tip my hat to you. :V
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 06, 2011, 12:23:43 AM
well crimson doll helper tried to help get rabbit face a surprise lynch so he is likely on the red colored team as well.
i seriously cannot believe that worked.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 06, 2011, 12:24:46 AM
I kind of wonder why shadoweh unvoted, but I can't really complain. <_<;

##unvote doll
##vote hourai for trying to last-ditch the votecount.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 06, 2011, 12:25:07 AM
Yeah the way Hourai jumped out of no where smacked a vote on me, and the waffle, then jumped back scared when I called him out on it, pfft, there's my vote tomorrow..
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 06, 2011, 12:26:19 AM
it is not paranoia when they really are out to get town.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 06, 2011, 12:26:41 AM
...Derp again.

Why wait till tomorrow, use my double lynch and nab him!
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on March 06, 2011, 12:26:46 AM
I like taking risks, it's more amusing! I should probably save this for post-game, but playing coy about it isn't really my style.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 06, 2011, 12:27:32 AM
I should probably save this for post-game, but playing coy about it isn't really my style.

Haha.

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't save you anyway.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on March 06, 2011, 12:31:18 AM
Well no, but just in case there was any doubt.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 06, 2011, 12:32:15 AM
Welp, I still claim town doc. But you'll see that when I flip.
And now I know not to try gambits ever.

Besides, if I'm scum, why would I want to kill Pesco when he's scummier than Schezo?
But I digress since words will probably utterly fail at this point.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 06, 2011, 12:32:47 AM
You're not getting lynched today anyway, I just wanted to voice my displeasure.

Votecount, please <3
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 06, 2011, 12:33:20 AM
EBWOP: Also to get my vote off Doll who is pretty clearly not scum at this juncture, even if he is useless.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on March 06, 2011, 12:34:53 AM
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Pesco


Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 06, 2011, 12:35:45 AM
The "WHY ARE THERE SO MANY REQUESTS TODAY IT'S NOT LIKE I CAN COUNT" Votecount
Pesco (2.5) - Edible, ????????, Iced Fairy, Shadoweh, Doll.S, Schezo, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Bardiche
Hanged Hourai (1) - ????????, Shadoweh, Pesco, Dormio, Edible
Polaris (0) - ????????
Doll.S (1) - Schezo, Dormio, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Edible, Conqueror, ????????, Iced Fairy, Hanged Hourai, ????????
Shadoweh (0) - Pesco, Schezo
Schezo (1) - ????????, Shadoweh, Pesco, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Hanged Hourai,
Dormio (0) - Hanged Hourai, Conqueror
Bardiche (6) - Zakeri, Shadoweh, Schezo, Iced Fairy, Hanged Hourai, Conqueror
Not Voting: ????????
With 11 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~24 hours left in the day.

Bardiche is at L-1!
Bardiche and Pesco are currently in the lynch spotlight!
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 06, 2011, 12:37:49 AM
Oh yeah, now I really have no idea what to do with my waffle now. :p
It's probably better if I die since you can't trust a word I say if I make it to D3.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 06, 2011, 12:39:16 AM
You know what, I didn't say this right when day 2 started because I would have made myself worse, but in light of recent events (:V) I have to throw out my gut parania feeling I had when day 1 ended.

Zakeri cleared PX rather easily and not agreeing with what I though was some obvious scumtells made me uneasy about him.  In paranoid mode I felt that he didn't want to take blame for being on a town wagon which he would have know if he was scum. 

I don't know, take that how you will.
Oops L-1 already.  Wait warmly for me to reread and gather text evidence.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 06, 2011, 12:41:58 AM
I believe you Hourai.

Also, buh?  I can't argue with that vote set but....
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Schezo on March 06, 2011, 12:44:16 AM
but the way Bardiche tried to hammer Doll and Pesco sorta clears Pesco?

I also think that Zakeri was having a Bard vs him so that when Bard flipped scum he would get a clear of sorts.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 06, 2011, 12:44:41 AM
I really want to point something out right now, but if I do, then Bard might do it and bad things might happen.  :X
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 06, 2011, 12:45:52 AM
but the way Bardiche tried to hammer Doll and Pesco sorta clears Pesco?

Intentional WIFOM.  I'd ignore it.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 06, 2011, 12:47:43 AM
Doll- Roleclaim.
Well, I get to choose between two abilities after I die.

As for the abilities themselves, I'm rule 2. One of them is the ability to post after I die and talk about the game still, the other is...well, that's a secret.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on March 06, 2011, 12:48:55 AM
You mean self-hammer? Yeah, I could do that!
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 06, 2011, 12:49:26 AM
Ha, took waffle off.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 06, 2011, 12:49:39 AM
Intentional WIFOM.  I'd ignore it.
Also he couldn't hammer Dolls and Schezo.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 06, 2011, 12:50:58 AM
What the heck...

What's with the complete change?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 06, 2011, 12:51:26 AM
oh you adorable artificer of automatons. even if there are good things that happen when you die you should try to stay alive. unless one of them is the ability to send us back the adorable blue feline. i do not know if you noticed but you are pretty much confirmed to be town.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 06, 2011, 12:51:39 AM
*Facepalm of epic proportions*
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on March 06, 2011, 12:55:31 AM
The hilarious part is that if I self-vote, the lynch'll be random.

Take away that part of town's weapon? Sure, sign me up.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Bardiche


:V
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 06, 2011, 12:56:14 AM
HAMMER SHUT UP
(Also, the lynch isn't random)
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on March 06, 2011, 01:14:35 AM
(Also, the lynch isn't random)

:(
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 06, 2011, 01:15:56 AM
The night ranter, eh? I can't say I'm surprised. He robbed me of a good 48 hours of sleep on N1, and that is unforgivable. Let us answer the death wish of his self-hammer.

...

Bardiche, playing Rule 3, Scum Remote Virus, has been deadline lynched!


Unfortunately, the revelation of a virus previously being in play here has alerted our medical staff, becoming their new primary focus. It seems that the autopsy of tomorrow's lynch will have to be delayed.

Alongside that, we still have a riot to handle. With all the talk of Pesco being linked to Bardiche, it is only fitting that they would be in cahoots, is it not? Furthermore, out of all the players with the secondmost amount of votes, Pesco received his first, so it is in accordance with the day effect that we throw him to the mob. Let's get on with it.

...

Pesco, playing the Addendum, Townie Chattering Bird, has been killed in a riot!


It appears they have silenced him permanently through intense application of duct tape. Ah well, can't win them all. At least he wasn't a true rule, right?

Also... Pesco's death seems to have drawn the attention of a Flock of Pigeons, who will be serving as message carriers for the town tomorrow. How thoughtful of them.

..:::Night 2:::..
.::Active Day Effects::.

.::Upcoming Day Effects::.

You have somewhere from 24 to 48 hours to send in your night actions.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 2
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 06, 2011, 01:30:59 AM
Just a notice: I have updated the first post with handy links to the ends of Day 1 and Day 2. I had intended to do this from the very beginning, but kind of forgot. Hopefully they should be helpful now that they're actually around.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Pesco on March 06, 2011, 05:53:31 AM
A post-game discussion on what consists of a good D1 lynch and what doesn't is in order.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 07, 2011, 08:06:19 AM
Last night was rather peaceful, wasn't it? How convenient that the night ranter turned out to be scum after all. Nothing good can come of somebody who deprives their fellow townies of sleep, as far as I see it.

This isn't to say that all ranters are of bad ilk, though. A counterexample to Bardiche's treachery would be the honorable Rule 7, whose vocal campaigns against the evils of No Lynches remained valiant, even if they were never fully revealed to the town. It's a shame scum decided to reward him for his rants with a knife in the back.

Zakeri, playing Rule 7, Townie Ranting Doublevoter, has been killed overnight! His death triggered the Double Check day effect.


..:::Day 2:::..
.::Active Day Effects::.

.::Upcoming Day Effects::.

You have 72 hours to decide on who to kill. With eight alive, it takes five to lynch. Assuming I can count some of the time, anyway.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 07, 2011, 10:35:22 AM
Sorry for being MIA for the end of day two.
I was busy with real life stuff on Sunday and uni sucks.

First of all, day one questions.
Bardiche: Why would you single out PX for defending Shadoweh when Edible and I also said that we thought that Shadoweh's behavior didn't seem scum-like? u dedz
Pesco: OMGUS in a serious vote? u dedz two
Hanged Hourai: People are constantly changing their thoughts and there was some Pesco x Edible action going on between PX's votes. Are you saying that the game should be held in stasis while you aren't there?
Schezo: Why did PX seem more scummy to you? Neither of them provided opinions on others during their exchange, which was the final point in your argument against PX. (PX asks Hourai to provide opinions without doing so himself first, neither of them ended up doing it)
Schezo- Claiming emotions got the better of him.
Hourai- Never answered.

Day 2:
OdeargodwhathappenedwhileIwasgone.
Shadoweh was totally awesome and stuff and caught out Bard trying to hammer at the end.
Doll.S is town with abilities that only kick in once he dies..
Doll.S, Edible and I were the only ones that weren't on the Bard wagon when Bard self hammered.
Doll.S already had a vote on Pesco and he was probably missing when the hammer happened.
So basically, in the lynch, for Pesco to have been lynched along with Bard either Edible or I had to have unvoted and voted Pesco anonymously.
And I know that I have not touched the anon voting system.
Also, I know through my night abilities that Edible is a "Hammer Bro", does this sound like town to you?

Night 2: Welp, Zakeri died.
I'm not sure what to make of this right now other than his suspicions seemed to mainly be on Hourai/Conqueror.

##Vote Edible
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 07, 2011, 10:36:55 AM
Doll.S, Edible and I were the only ones that weren't on the Bard wagon when Bard self hammered.
Oh, Pesco too but Pesco isn't going to vote for himself now, is he?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 07, 2011, 10:44:09 AM
Night 2: Welp, Zakeri died.
I'm not sure what to make of this right now other than his suspicions seemed to mainly be on Hourai/Conqueror.
Basing that off this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569750.html#msg569750).
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: WHMZakeri on March 07, 2011, 12:24:10 PM
(http://i56.tinypic.com/28v7qqr.jpg)
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Edible on March 07, 2011, 01:36:20 PM
Zakeri, playing Rule 7, Townie Ranting Doublevoter, has been killed overnight! His death triggered the Double Check day effect.

Subtle reference to Zakeri dying twice again! :getdown:

So basically, in the lynch, for Pesco to have been lynched along with Bard either Edible or I had to have unvoted and voted Pesco anonymously.

Two things.

1) When Bard hammered, everyone with a vote on them had one vote (as far as I can tell, per the last votecount).  Per the game rules, tiebreaks for the townie riot were determined by the first person with that total.  I'm guessing that's why pesco was lynched.

2) Bard targeted me with his scum ability night 1.  What do you suppose that makes me?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 07, 2011, 01:51:34 PM
Posting this before I sleep.

Hmm, two minds think a like as I was going to vote Edible too but I need to review the D1 banter and N1 actions before I do vote him to see if there's anything darning now that Pesco's town.

Anyway, sleepy time now.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 07, 2011, 01:54:49 PM
1) When Bard hammered, everyone with a vote on them had one vote (as far as I can tell, per the last votecount).  Per the game rules, tiebreaks for the townie riot were determined by the first person with that total.  I'm guessing that's why pesco was lynched.
True that. Hmm.
I would have really liked a final votecount.

2) Bard targeted me with his scum ability night 1.  What do you suppose that makes me?
Bard's swap doesn't exactly cripple you or anything, that argument doesn't seem all that strong to me.


Though, I'm going to have to reevaluate this due to the whole lynch based on time.
But it's 1am.
I'll try to make a post either in the morning or after I get back from uni.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 07, 2011, 02:41:02 PM
i hope the adorable blue feline can feel better knowing her day effect made it possible to catch the red colored team with a red hand.
town obvious town is awake! i do not know if i have freedom yet so i am being careful.
i am going to wait for benevolent master of the game before posting my full suspicions.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 07, 2011, 03:40:07 PM
you know i do not really want to wait for anyone. if i am free today i will repost this or maybe someone will translate. after last night this is how players look to me.

looking pretty town.

town obvious town + theories on how i could have tricked night virus for the good of the red colored team will be retorted with the amazing argument that you are probably thinking too hard.

moe maker of muppets + speaking of reasons to kill the adorable blue feline does anyone remember her comments last game about how the red colored team can go after a player because they are bad instead of worrying about whether they are town?

crown boy + crown boy is not actually as super town five thousand confirmed as he thinks he is because he was never in danger of being the lynch when the hammer happened. night virus wanted to make him a lynch pretty hard though so i am giving him a pass. i might take a suggestion for a better name then crown boy.

looking kind of bad.

tasty man + so about not having a case other then town town and probably town. gave night virus a pass? looks better then everyone after him on this list. should probably claim something and tell us who he infected with twist.

cold pixie + so yesterday your entire contribution was wanting to lynch god rabbit of psychic power.

takeover king + you accidentally made it possible for night virus to hammer himself. night virus also seemed to give you alot of passes. you might want to claim something useful to town.

koumajou densetsu fox + so your suspects are confirmed town. might want to claim something useful to town.

looking like they should start talking now and quickly.

crimson doll helper + your surprise gambit last night tried to lynch our second super townie confirmed five thousand god rabbit of psychic power. you could have saved him after we knew night virus was trying to hammer him by setting the waffle buster on moe maker of muppets who would at least have powers after dying. or you could have unvoted while you were private messaging about the waffle buster. your entire argument for not being on the red colored team is that you were being stupid and it is starting to be an insult to your intelligence to not vote for you. you should claim everything.

best outfit ever + did not die night one obviously on red colored team.

no one should vote until we are sure what we want to do today.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 07, 2011, 04:11:37 PM
edit by way of post because triple posts are the most town.
crown boy since we get your power for free tomorrow you should check exactly what night virus could do and if we are lucky god rabbit of psychic powers is still linked to him and you will also get his powers.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 07, 2011, 05:18:11 PM
Okay.  Took advantage of the night to clean out my personal opinions and reread the game. 
Learn a lot of interesting things that way.

So let's start at the top.

Hanged Hourai.  WTF.

Your doc claim seemed reasonable to me, and I made the mistake of cutting you slack with the Pesco lynch because I was sure he was scum.  (I'd still be sure if it he hadn't flipped green.)  But on rereading I noticed something.

You were the nail in Schezo's coffin.  Edible had just switched to Dolls but was being wishy-washy.  If you really believed Pesco was scum, you could have demanded Pesco lynch, convinced the wafflers and done it legitimately.  So why the gambit?  Why not put your money where your mouth is and vote for scum!?  That's what town does.

Heck I don't even know why SCUM would have pulled that gambit.  There's only two reasons.  One: Schezo is 3rd scum, something I find unlikely right now.  Two: Scum wanted to pull some town confusion garbage and make everyone start screaming about anon votes.  Which would be a stupid plan when you could just lynch two town normally and cruise into lylow.

Except Bardiche did just that last night.  Scum is that stupid.

So yeah.  How was that play in towns interests.  At all?  Unless you got a miracle answer up your sleeve I think this is the only option:
##Vote Hanged Hourai.

Okay.  On to the other people that appeared on my little reading session.

Edible, do you ever openly hunt scum?

I ask this because now would be a good time to start.  Aside from your fight with pesco day 1, which was your fault, and your reaction to his over reaction, which was I admit reasonable, you've only done 3 other scumhunting posts.  One "forcefully" tells Kitten4U and Dolls to post more, while making no comment of worth on the PX train. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg565968.html#msg565968)  One clears Hourai, Shadoweh and Bardiche, for no reason whatsoever, and only explains his weak reasoning when later pressed. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569164.html#msg569164)  Then a sudden decision to kill Schezo instead of Pesco because, of one thing Pesco had said?  Ignoring anything Schezo had done on day two.  Oh and he switches to Dolls, the safe lynch while giving the Schezo wagon the 2nd to last push. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569830.html#msg569830)

I don't like this record.  I don't like the fact that I can find this record easily.  I also don't like how you start the day off with a non post.

Also:
Who did you twist?  Town doesn't need to go running in circles because of misdirected roles.

Okay.  Next.

Dormio.  Runs in, tells us what happened again to flesh out a post, drops a vote, runs away.  We need scumhunting.  Do you have any other reasons why Edible is scum here, or are you going just off a role name?  Your casual voting and drive by posting are anti-town.  I'm not going to let myself fall for the same mistake I made last day and assume that people who are voting for those I think are scum aren't scum themselves.

Conqueror: Lots of useless info on too many people.  I can't remember half the things he says without going back and rereading the posts.  That's never good.  I want a post on someone now, not later.

cold pixie + so yesterday your entire contribution was wanting to lynch god rabbit of psychic power.
And, you know, pointing out Bardiche as scum too. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569910.html#msg569910)  Not to mention the other bits of scumhunting earlier.  You're good when you catch the facts, but you need to pay more attention to details.  Like say, Bardiche's kill thing being the next day's lynch instead of that day's.  I'm very glad you were wrong there, otherwise I'd still think Pesco was scum.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 07, 2011, 09:33:35 PM
Dormio.  Runs in, tells us what happened again to flesh out a post, drops a vote, runs away.  We need scumhunting.
It was 1am and I had been yelling at Pesco, Hele, Trance and Infinity for the past two hours. D:
Anyway.


Do you have any other reasons why Edible is scum here, or are you going just off a role name?
Evidently, I'm a retard that forgets how things work too quickly.
I still get the feeling that Edible is scum but I'm going to have to reread again to try to confirm tihs.
I'll get a post on more Edible after I get back from uni if I can't make one now.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Edible on March 08, 2011, 12:20:24 AM
Jesus tapdancing christ, I hate my connection at work sometimes.  Could barely get on the site all day.

Bard's swap doesn't exactly cripple you or anything, that argument doesn't seem all that strong to me.

Not an argument, just a logical statement to make.  I call to your attention this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg567305.html#msg567305), in which Bard outright asks all night roles to target me/pesco, including potential investigative roles.  Why in the world would he want someone to investigate me, were I fellow scum?  Furthermore, why would he suggest that and then use his twist virus on me, which would have directed all actions aimed at me to hit him instead, and vice versa?  Any investigative role that targeted me would have, that evening, returned a value of "scum" - because it would have actually hit Bard and no one would have been the wiser.  Tell me, what sort of alignment is his power best used on?

Who did you twist?  Town doesn't need to go running in circles because of misdirected roles.

Nobody, as it happens.  Lynching Bardiche rendered the ability null, as I was informed after the flip.

You may dislike my scumhunting methods, but a sensible mind understands that I have more townie cred right now than almost any living player, through virtue of solid evidence (see above).  If you insist on painting me as scum, I'll post a rebuttal to your other arguments, but until then I will make better use of my time.

Now then.

Doll and Shadoweh will get passes from me today, unless some new evidence shows up.  Bardiche was willing to anonyhammer Doll, which is a big plus in his book.  Shadoweh faked Bardiche out, and unless that was a hilarious scumgambit it's not worth wasting time on her today either.

Hourai needs a stern talking to, but I'm not really sure he's scum.  His gambit last night, upon consideration, smacks more of idiocy than scum intent, and indeed would have made little sense for scum anyway (as shadoweh pointed out).

That leaves Schezo, Dormio, Conqueror, and Iced Fairy.  Of the four, Conqueror appears highest on my scumdar - which appears to have been wrong all game (thanks, pesco).  I'll dig around anyway and see what comes up.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2011, 12:59:11 AM
crown boy stop playing monopoly and post damnit
oh wait benevolent master of game got back to me.
FREEDOM! GLORIOUS CAPITALIZED FREEDOM!

So yeah, yesterday was pretty fricking awful. I know I just yelled at Hourai about this but EVERYONE WHO WAS TOWN HAD THE CHANCE TO SAVE PESCO AND FAILED. It was blatantly obvious Pesco was the main target. But fighting over that won't help us now and I'm sure Pesco God of MindHax wants to do it himself after game.

The post restricter is obviously scum because if you look back at Bard's conversation with me he was asking all the right questions about it. Hell even if someone else has the role I think he's the one that wrote the thing. I'm still gonna keep making up names for Doll though, it amuses the hell out of me. So everyone but Conqueror and Schezo have posted, which of you has the restriction today? Oh and Hourai but I don't think scum get restrictions.

btw scum, scummity, scummers, sCuM, scumlike, scumface and.

Iced Fairy: That WAS what I was trying to communicate about Bardiche's lynch. You try being clear when you aren't allowed to use commas or quote marks or conjunctions. Out of the people you listed who do you think is most likely to be Hourai and Bardiche's scum buddy?

Coolmango Danceachoo Dormio: Cool you're kinda like a rolecop except completely useless because you only get names? Seriously what else did you get?

Edible: I can think of a few ways what Hourai did makes sense as scum. If you don't think he's scum though which TWO others do you suspect? I'll consider this claiming vanilla townie for now.

@Mod Can we get a votecount oh look at me ask for one all by myself like a boss :D
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 08, 2011, 01:13:14 AM
Not an argument, just a logical statement to make.  I call to your attention this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg567305.html#msg567305), in which Bard outright asks all night roles to target me/pesco, including potential investigative roles.  Why in the world would he want someone to investigate me, were I fellow scum?
Because he used his twist virus on you, meaning he would be targeted.

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Furthermore, why would he suggest that and then use his twist virus on me, which would have directed all actions aimed at me to hit him instead, and vice versa?  Any investigative role that targeted me would have, that evening, returned a value of "scum"
Or nothing would happen because of infoblockers, immunity on Bard's part... etc etc.  This game doesn't exactly lack for roles here.

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Nobody, as it happens.  Lynching Bardiche rendered the ability null, as I was informed after the flip.
... Okay, I'll believe that, since it's backed by the flavor text and Bard's death rule.

And for someone too busy to be bothered to refute my assertions you still didn't actually do any scumhunting.  Just pointed fingers at not town and left.

Well you've convinced me to do something at least.

##Unvote Hanged Hourai

Eagerly awaiting someone scumhunting other then me and Shadoweh.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 08, 2011, 01:22:55 AM
Shadoweh : Whoops.  Sorry.  Yeah whoever gave you that post restriction is a dick.

As you can see I'm kinda confused now.  Edible's "I'm town so I don't have to scumhunt" post kinda threw me off.  I won't be able to guess scumpairs until Hourais post and Conqueror and/or Dormio brings something real to the table.  The scum this game seem to be playing with a lot of WIFOM gambits and overacting, so I'm not confident without more information.

Currently I'm still thinking it's one active and one lurker though.

If you really want me to make my guess out loud I will, but I'd like more posts on the board.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2011, 01:26:46 AM
Cut past the confusion, it is the weapon of the enemy. Look into your heart again and speak what you think is true for this moment right now. It's not like you have to stick to what you say now for the rest of the day.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 08, 2011, 01:41:37 AM
Point.  I'll say everything except the gambit I think scum might be pulling.  That I can judge later.

First, I think the scum pair concept is a bad notion this game.  You'll note that none of the people on that list other then Hourai voted along with Bardiche over the entire course of Day 2 (barring the Dolls trick), and there are 3 scum.  Scum obviously aren't joined at the hip.

So based on that I'm currently believe it's Hourai and Dormio.  Dormio's drive by style voting allows him to always have his name by other scum if the town is coming close, but never commits him to anything.  Hourai... well we know the case on him.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 08, 2011, 01:45:35 AM
EBWOP: On the other hand Dormio could get himself off that list really quick with a good high content post.  The problem with having multiple lurkers is that it's too much lnyching based on gut, since there are no facts.  (HINT HINT)
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Serela on March 08, 2011, 02:02:10 AM
Yay No More Anonyvotes So Comods Can Votecount Again Votecount!

Edible (1): Dormio
Hanged Hourai (0): Iced Fairy

Not Voting: Everyone not named Dormio

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Whole bunch of hours left. Like 2 and a quarter days or something, mang. I'm so lazy.

Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Schezo on March 08, 2011, 02:39:49 AM
Alright, let's see here:

Holy fucking shit Conqueror, you don't exist!  Pretty much everything you have said is just throwaway comments and bandwagoning. This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569815.html#msg569815) where you don't have an opinion to make about wither side so that it won't fall on you for not offing fellow scum or getting on a town wagon is really damning, even more so since it is one of the better posts you have made and is really absolute crap.  You bring nothing new to the table when you do appear so there is little doubt in my mind you are like the embodiment of lurk devil scum.

Hourai: The fact that he tried to off me right before deadline is really damning to me because then he quickly took it back when I called him for it and Iced Fairy claimed to back me or something.  However, Bardiche hammered when he thought my 2nd lynch would be between Pesco, Me or Doll random so I give him slight clear for WIFOM for that.  This however saddens me. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569881.html#msg569881)  The weakest reasoning ever, I mean none.  You never said what you didn't like about me and then played it off as a gambit.  What?  I can hardly see how this is just raw stupidity but then again.  Also to note is that Hourai doesn't seem nearly as brash and aggressive as in the other games when he is town, so after his whatever that was attack on PX, Zakeri has this to say and I think it speaks volumes now. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg567013.html#msg567013)  I also recall seeing a post where he pretty much parrots Kitten and goes after me but I could be imagining that.  If I find it in my reread, I'll post it.

I want both of them dead at this point.  This is a really tough decision but the sway that Hourai hasn't been as aggressive as past games when he was town is the main seller, though, I would like to hear from them.

##Vote: Hanged Hourai

Dormio: Is pretty much Conqueror except he posted a bit more and seems to be on people's minds when it counts.  Jumped on Pesco early day one (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg565259.html#msg565259) right before it was "in style" with some weak reasoning.  Has been hit and run all game and cold be one of the three lurk scum out there. :|

Doll and Shadoweh are the towniest at this point so no point in me going over them.  Shadoweh: Just because I can play Monopoly on my phone doesn't mean I can come over and read and play Mafia like a want. :V

And, you know, pointing out Bardiche as scum too. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569910.html#msg569910)  Not to mention the other bits of scumhunting earlier.
Except that's kinda been weakened because I already posted some reasoning to Bard being scum but I suppose it's a valid answer.
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and there are 3 scum
Wait, when did this happen?  We know for sure? Last game it was just Kitten and I against the world.
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since there are no facts.  (HINT HINT)
Sorry?  These take a while. ;_; ( 1 hour and a half, gone :V)

That's all for now, I have work to do.  I haven't gotten a full reread but I'm wondering if I should pull my ability and completely unveil everything about Pesco's role. :wat:

Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2011, 02:41:17 AM
No. Pull your ability and find out everything about BARDICHE'S role.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2011, 02:48:10 AM
Also you're entirely correct that we don't know if there are three scum or not. Since we axe murdered one, if there are two left we wouldn't be in any form of LYLO. It's just more likely then two.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 08, 2011, 02:50:24 AM
Wait, when did this happen?  We know for sure? Last game it was just Kitten and I against the world.
Isn't it in the OP?

/checks OP.

I'm sure I saw it somewhere.  I remember that from before I actually joined the game.

/checks game intro.

Well....  And here I am telling people to pay attention to posts.  I guess there's a possibility of 1or 2 scum being left.  I could live with there being only one scum.  But I wouldn't bet on it.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Edible on March 08, 2011, 02:55:11 AM
Hrm.  During my reread, I noticed something interesting.

Allow me to provide you with all of Conqueror's interactions with Bardiche throughout the game.

@Bard
I'm reading Shadoweh as a heavyhanded townie with good intentions. I don't see anything wrong with trying to make some useful discussion. As for the lurkers, I'm willing to put them on the backburner until D2, sure.

Bardiche: Bard is confusing and just as unreadable as ever. I'll look at him later along with Zakeri and Shadoweh.

And then this mess of words that was basically a request to talk less. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569815.html#msg569815)

... And that's it.  A friendly side chat, and two orders of "I dunno lol".

Further of note: Conq was vote #4 on PX and L-1 on Bardiche.  The former is a potential swing vote for scum to lynch town; the latter might imply hesitation and allowed Bardiche to self-hammer.

That's enough pattern analysis for me to lay a preliminary vote. ##vote Conqueror

I believe Conq warrants further study.

Edible: I can think of a few ways what Hourai did makes sense as scum. If you don't think he's scum though which TWO others do you suspect? I'll consider this claiming vanilla townie for now.

Conq's one.  Dormio's the other, but mostly by process of elimination; I don't think Iced Fairy is scum for much the same reasons I didn't think you were yesterday and D1.  To correct your second statement, I've claimed nothing except that I was no longer required or able to use Bardiche's twist virus last night.  I seriously doubt anyone this game is vanilla.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 08, 2011, 03:14:27 AM
Edible : That's... actually a good catch.  He did talk a lot about Bardiche without saying anything.  I missed it because Conqueror hasn't really said anything concrete.  About anyone.  At all.  Points always seem to be coming later.

Well it's later now.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2011, 03:44:31 AM
Quote from: Hanged Hourai & Conqueror
*crickets*
Are you SURE we have to choose between them for scum Edibles?
Also I'm totally basic, I believe in the you that believes in me. 8)
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2011, 04:39:38 AM
I'll be back later, hopefully the two missing links will have posted by the time I get back and Dormio can tell us more then Hammer Bros.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2011, 05:26:56 AM
So I missed out on a game of DotS after getting back from uni because I insisted on reading this topic first.
That sucks.

Coolmango Danceachoo Dormio: Cool you're kinda like a rolecop except completely useless because you only get names?
Yes. I think I'm the closest to vanilla town here.
All I can do is send people scary messages (The one that Edible got instead of Bardiche on N1) and scare them into telling me what the name of their role is.
No information about the role or anything.
Seriously what else did you get?
People who try to investigate whether I'm town or not will get incorrect readings on me.
That is the entirety of my role as far as I know.
No idea what happens if I die.

Anyway, just got back from uni so doing a reread now.


Warning - while you were typing 16 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
... :V
(I left this window open when I left)
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2011, 05:54:31 AM
Unless I miscounted, Conqueror has only made 15 posts throughout this game, including the confirm post.
Compared to that, Doll.S has made 30.
On Day 2 his main targets were basically me, Pesco or Doll.S.
Day 1 he voted me before jumping onto the PX wagon.

##Unvote
##Vote Conqueror
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2011, 05:55:11 AM
My head really hurts and I can't think right now.
I'll try to make another post later.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2011, 07:41:59 AM
This game's time schedule makes me angry. I am making a very angry post right now when I should not be. So please wait warmly~


Just in case you thought I disappeared. Ha! As if.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2011, 08:37:53 AM
Dormio: Your activity this game has been composed of summarizing  (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569454.html#msg569454)actions  (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569574.html#msg569574)and  (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg571168.html#msg571168)providing opinions on people only when prodded. The majority of your posts are light fluff. When you do provide opinions you waffle and rehash the points other people have made. Your votes have mostly been egregious  (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg565259.html#msg565259)bandwagon  (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg568891.html#msg568891)hops  (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569657.html#msg569657)with the barest reasoning to back them up. If you are not scum I will eat my hat.

##Vote:Dormio

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Hourai: Hourai has fallen down the rankings to become a close second. I won't repeat the argument about the whole gambit/waffle fiasco because it's been made already, multiple times. But just look at how he keeps pushing Schezo (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569941.html#msg569941) even as he tries to hammer Doll and surprise lynch Pesco. Sure looks like he was setting Schezo up for the next day's lynch after everybody would be reeling in confusion about the day end results and how Schezo didn't die. I will also note that Hourai never expressed any suspicion of Pesco before - why did he suddenly want to lynch him without giving a single argument?

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Edible: Again, you spent D1 tunneling on Pesco and defending yourself. Your D2 was almost all made up of the setup speculation mess that started the day. Seriously, you have maybe  one post for all of D2 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569830.html#msg569830) that gives any significant opinions, and half of it is answering my question about why you are giving people passes. In fact, now that I look at it, you've managed to post a lot without saying much at all, besides pushing a Pesco lynch and agreeing that Schezo might look bad. Your only reason for making Schezo one of the preferred secondary lynches was this line of reasoning: "My biggest problems D1 with Schezo are his early vote on Shadoweh and his late vote on PX.  The timing of his PX vote is what bothers me the most; it's arguably the vote that cemented the lynch." Ah, the good old "timing" argument. Too bad you can apply the timing argument to almost anyone on the wagon!
Oh, and defending yourself, you do that pretty well.

Not an argument, just a logical statement to make.  I call to your attention this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg567305.html#msg567305), in which Bard outright asks all night roles to target me/pesco, including potential investigative roles.  Why in the world would he want someone to investigate me, were I fellow scum?  Furthermore, why would he suggest that and then use his twist virus on me, which would have directed all actions aimed at me to hit him instead, and vice versa?  Any investigative role that targeted me would have, that evening, returned a value of "scum" - because it would have actually hit Bard and no one would have been the wiser.  Tell me, what sort of alignment is his power best used on?
WIFOM. We don't know what Bard or your roles are, so who knows what motives scum may have for a twist virus? Speculating the setup is silly and unproductive when we have flips, wagons, and posts to work off of. And it happens to be something that scum like to do.

A sensible mind understands that I have more townie cred right now than almost any living player, through virtue of solid evidence (see above).
The only people with townie cred right now are Shadow and Doll S.

I don't think Iced Fairy is scum for much the same reasons I didn't think you were yesterday and D1.
Can you at least repeat your reasoning? Or is it for the same reason you "cleared" Bardiche?

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Iced Fairy: Well, you look better than the three I mentioned above you. You bring a lot of new points to the table, but upon reread a lot of your posts are also full of agreements and throwaway observations, almost as if to say, "I'm here!" Not that this is a bad thing in itself, as Zak said earlier, because you also have content posts to go with the fluff, but I'm keeping an eye on you.

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Schezo: I'm too tired to look at you. But yeah, Bard's actions don't clear you by any means. I'll look at you again later.

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Doll S. and Shadoweh get clears for reasons I don't need to explain (barring the most ridiculous scum gambit in mafia existence).

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the latter might imply hesitation and allowed Bardiche to self-hammer.

Nice misrepresentation of the L-1 Vote by the way. I would have posted earlier if you all hadn't decided to jump on so quickly and cut me every time! It's almost like people jumped wagons without verifying the claim first! This is a non-point and I'm surprised you're even considering it, especially as your unvote came after mine. And no, the idea that Bard would self-hammer never came to my mind, as I'm sure it didn't come to yours.

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This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569815.html#msg569815) where you don't have an opinion to make
And then this mess of words that was basically a request to talk less. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569815.html#msg569815)

Did you read the Bard vs. Zak argument? It was essentially blah blah blah blah blah. I started reading it and couldn't anymore because it was making me sick. There's nothing wrong with big posts to get your points across, but the best arguments are concise and get to the point instead of running around in verbal circles. We can discuss this post-game.

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Just a note that I will not be around for much of Day 3 (today) due to the day cycle coinciding with midterms. THAT DOES NOT GIVE ME A PASS OF ANY SORT, AND IT SHOULD NOT AFFECT ANY OF THE ARGUMENTS YOU WISH TO MAKE AGAINST ME. I'm just throwing this out there just so you don't start wondering where I've disappeared to.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2011, 10:36:57 AM
Attempting to make a post with a killer headache.
Oh so very fun.

Anyway.

Hourai: Other people have pretty much said everything I think.

Edible: Eh, you're giving me this scummy vibe but I can't really find much to back it up aside from day one shenanigans.

Conqueror: In your analysis posts, you've said "I'll look at you later" or a variant thereof to everyone that hadn't already been discussed by someone else every time.
Naturally, you haven't followed up on this except for when you talked about Bard/Zak somewhat. Though that train of thought of yours was concluded with "I will bring up my own points against Bard and Zak later."



If you are not scum I will eat my hat.
I will hold you to this.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2011, 10:40:38 AM
Conqueror: In your analysis posts, you've said "I'll look at you later" or a variant thereof to everyone that hadn't already been discussed by someone else every time.
Naturally, you haven't followed up on this except for when you talked about Bard/Zak somewhat. Though that train of thought of yours was concluded with "I will bring up my own points against Bard and Zak later."
I believe that at this point I have followed up on the people I missed, except for Shadoweh. If I have missed someone point them out to me.

I will hold you to this.
It's on!
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2011, 10:52:25 AM
I believe that at this point I have followed up on the people I missed, except for Shadoweh. If I have missed someone point them out to me.
Firstly, like I said, Bard/Zak:
Zakeri: I will look at you later. You're not around enough to be memorable, so I don't really know what to think about you yet. I've answered several points in your post below though.

Bardiche: Bard is confusing and just as unreadable as ever. I'll look at him later along with Zakeri and Shadoweh.
This was followed by:
I will bring up my own points against Bard and Zak later.
Those points never came.

Iced Fairy: I'll look at you along with the others I missed blah blah.

Schezo: I'm too tired to look at you. But yeah, Bard's actions don't clear you by any means. I'll look at you again later.
Basically what I'm saying is that every time you've brought up someone that other people haven't talked about yet, you fall back to your "I'll look at you later".




It's on!
Can I choose the hat you eat?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2011, 11:01:58 AM
I never brought up anything else against Bard and Zak because the day ended before I could parse through their horrible walls of words.

I mentioned Iced in my last post.

Plenty of people have talked about Schezo. I don't entirely agree with them or the points they brought up, which is why I'm going to look over Schezo later by myself. I don't see anything wrong with that.


Basically you're accusing me of being lazy, which is entirely accurate. But this statement:
Basically what I'm saying is that every time you've brought up someone that other people haven't talked about yet, you fall back to your "I'll look at you later".
Is just a misrepresentation.

Can I choose the hat you eat?
Don't get ahead of yourself now.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2011, 11:07:43 AM
Hourai: Other people have pretty much said everything I think.

Edible: Eh, you're giving me this scummy vibe but I can't really find much to back it up aside from day one shenanigans.

Oh, and stuff like this is pretty much equivalent to "I'll look at you later." Equally useless in terms of information gathered and opinions given. It's the follow-up that counts.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2011, 11:10:01 AM
EBWOP: Derp triple post. And if there is no follow-up, it's perfectly fine when people are called out for it. But I'm pretty sure I have followed up on all my posts (barring the last big one, which I'll be able to follow up later in the day).
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2011, 11:14:37 AM
But I'm pretty sure I have followed up on all my posts (barring the last big one, which I'll be able to follow up later in the day).
All you said about Iced Fairy in your follow up was that Iced Fairy makes both good and bad posts and should be watched.
That applies to everyone.



Don't get ahead of yourself now.
So can I choose the hat or not?


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Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2011, 11:25:03 AM
All you said about Iced Fairy in your follow up was that Iced Fairy makes both good and bad posts and should be watched.
That applies to everyone.

That's not actually what I meant at all; I guess I wasn't clear enough. I meant that Iced Fairy brings up his fair share of points but that a good deal of his posts seem to be "conversational" without being completely scum-hunting related, buffing up his posts without adding too much content to the equation. Basically I'm saying I get the feeling he's trying to fluff up his post count, which is not wrong in and of itself, but it rubs me the wrong way. It also looks like people give him a pass just because he's around and talks a lot. So I am suspicious, but there are other people more suspicious than him, so I am paying more attention to them.

So can I choose the hat or not?
Let's leave this for post-game, if it's relevant.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Thata no Guykoro on March 08, 2011, 01:32:32 PM
The "I'm Mainly Doing This For A Time Update" Votecount

Edible (0): Dormio
Hanged Hourai (1): Iced Fairy, Schezo
Conquerer (2): Edible, Dormio
Dormio (1): Conquerer

Not Voting: Hanged Hourai, Iced Fairy, Shadoweh, Doll.S

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. 42 1/2 hours are left.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2011, 02:27:09 PM
So it's been over 24 hours and Hourai hasn't posted yet. At least Conqueror posted before my internal timer deadline. Doll also needs to post a real post, though I'm giving him more time to read the game. You're Super Townie Confirmed 5000, this means post how you feel and don't worry about what people will think of you for it. Except not having opinions, I might cry if you do that.

Dormio: I was really hoping your rule was a vig. You're also a Miller? Being both near-vanilla and having an out for being called on results combined with drive-by posting doesn't look very good. I appreciate you chose us over shrine maidens danmakuing towers though.

Conqueror: Why has Hourai fallen down the rankings to second to you? It's not like he's posted or anything to change your mind. What about Dormio's posting style is worse then Hourai's fiasco? Well maybe he didn't mean to be confusing..
Quote from: Hanged Hourai just before he moved the waffle
Orz, no time for full post.

(quote from me from my DIE SCHEZO rant)
Ignores this point.
Argh, I don't want scum anony voting.

##Unvote
##Vote: Doll


FFFFFF what is going on?
Oh.. wait.

I'm waiting for Schezo before going further in analyzing people. Until then I'm happy to tunnel on Pesco Schezo Hanged Hourai today.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 08, 2011, 06:04:30 PM
And now there are only two missing people.

First a warning :  There are vote strength manipulating powers in the game (yes that's a partial claim).  I didn't use mine, but if someone else has them scum could quick hammer before you'd expect it.  It'd be stupid, but Day 2 proved scum can be stupid.  Vote Unvote on anyone with a vote already on them is safer for town right now.

On to the meat.

Dormio, your posts are disappointing here.  They're still short on data, and unique scumhunting.  You have points about Conquerors lack of opinion on others, but they apply equally if not more to you.

(And yeah sorry about the game conflict.  I salute you for that, but I can't give you points I fear.)

Conqueror: That was a better post then your last ones, but it doesn't have much original data.  I suppose linking the Dormio "recap" posts in question is nice but the only new thing you've said happened when you were pressed.

Er and it's on me.  Better comment on that.
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That's not actually what I meant at all; I guess I wasn't clear enough. I meant that Iced Fairy brings up his fair share of points but that a good deal of his posts seem to be "conversational" without being completely scum-hunting related, buffing up his posts without adding too much content to the equation. Basically I'm saying I get the feeling he's trying to fluff up his post count, which is not wrong in and of itself, but it rubs me the wrong way. It also looks like people give him a pass just because he's around and talks a lot. So I am suspicious, but there are other people more suspicious than him, so I am paying more attention to them.
To some degree I was overposting early game now that I look back.  Part of that was enthusiasm, part of that was Polaris leaving me with a big fat zero for day one content, and part of it was me being a noob and focusing more on clearing up the role garbage instead of scumhunting.  It was in retrospect unnecessary.

Anyway premature analysis:
Looking over their post record, Dormio doesn't say a thing about Conqueror until 452, after Edible and I had made our points and Edible had placed his vote.  And rereading that post, it's half reading and half OMGUS.  While Conqueror's scumhunting was weak to non existent before, Dormio has appeared in the posts, and with consistent reasoning.

This doesn't rule out double scum of course.  But I'm not going to make that bet until the prodigal son returns.  Lynching 2nd or 3rd most scummy because number 1 is keeping their mouth shut is a bad plan.

Hourai~ come out and play with the rest of us.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 08, 2011, 06:06:33 PM
Double post to draw attention to it:
Dolls!  It would be very sad if you got modkilled for inactivity after being proved *not scum.*

Please be to posting.  Something.

(I'll send a Pesco Message via the mods if he still hasn't posted when I return from school.)
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2011, 08:10:41 PM
Still watching~ I believe this is the 36 hour mark.

Iceykins: Don't feel bad about posting too much, the material to make up for day 1 was appreciated. I hadn't thought of using the messages like player prods.

Just thought I'd make sure I was 100% clear to Schezo that the reason I'm waiting for him is role info from Bard. We've had some bad miscommunication between the two of us and I don't want more fighting.  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2011, 08:36:04 PM
@Shadoweh
I personally didn't find Hourai that bad until his Day 2 end activity. His posts seemed fairly reasonable before that, and I gave him a sort of pass because no one countered his claim. But after last night I looked over his posts again. When is the last time he made a case on someone, other than repeating someone else's case or giving a one-liner as reasoning? This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569331.html#msg569331) is the closest he comes to a full post, but in actuality it's just mostly a wall of questions aimed at other people. At least one day one he bothered to make a case, even if it was bad. That's why he looks scummier to me than when I last looked at him.

As for why I think Dormio is worse in comparison, it's because I've been looking at his activity for longer, whereas Hourai only recently got really scummy. I also dislike the way Dormio throws around his vote so easily. If Hourai doesn't make a post to explain his actions though, he'll keep dropping in the ranks.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2011, 08:58:27 PM
I don't think I'd call what Hourai did Day 1 making a case so much as OMGUS on PX. Unless you mean some other case he made Day 1?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Schezo on March 08, 2011, 09:31:07 PM
Ok, yeah, as I reread day 2 I see this?

Pesco targeted Edible to link
Hourai protected Edible
Bard twisted Edible so both Hourai's alleged ability and Pesco's went to him.
Shadoweh targeted Pesco, what all did you get, now that you can talk again?

But that leaves me with, wasn't the doc supposed to cancel out the twist  when he clearly claims (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg568969.html#msg568969) it cancels out all bad effects and the NK?  I have other theories that don't need to leave my head until I get everything on Bard but this is to just tell you I'm here.

This is one of my main selling points I'll have to wait for until I get results, Pesco's analysis on Hourai's 293 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569549.html#msg569549). 

Edible: Doesn't want to lynch Bard day 2 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569164.html#msg569164) and if they are scum buddies, has a semi-legitimate reason for not wanting to help off his partner because he holds information.  It seems weird to me but not super damning or anything.

Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2011, 09:32:42 PM
@Shadoweh
I was talking about his case on you (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg564918.html#msg564918). It was a horrible case, but at least it looked like he really believed it.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2011, 09:36:03 PM
Schezzy Crownykins: I got exactly what the day effects for Bardiche and Pesco say right now.

Conquerover King: I totally forgot about that. Somehow it just makes me want to drive a train over Hourai harder.  :V
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Edible on March 09, 2011, 12:04:00 AM
Home again home again.  A few responses before I post something more useful.

WIFOM. We don't know what Bard or your roles are, so who knows what motives scum may have for a twist virus? Speculating the setup is silly and unproductive when we have flips, wagons, and posts to work off of. And it happens to be something that scum like to do.

Er, that's not how WIFOM works at all.  Also, this is a horrible statement for a number of reasons.  Saying Bardiche used a weird-ass ability on a fellow scum is literally the same as saying Shadoweh pulled her vote because it was an insane scum gambit.  I'm also not even close to speculating setup here - I'm using words and phrases that Bard used himself to elucidate my point.  Maybe you should try reading it again and stop throwing mud?

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Can you at least repeat your reasoning? Or is it for the same reason you "cleared" Bardiche?

Because their words and actions strike me as town-like.  Why are we wasting time on this again?  What's the point of talking about why I think someone gives me town vibes, especially when they're not under any sort of attack?

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And no, the idea that Bard would self-hammer never came to my mind, as I'm sure it didn't come to yours.

Now this is WIFOM.

But that leaves me with, wasn't the doc supposed to cancel out the twist  when he clearly claims (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg568969.html#msg568969) it cancels out all bad effects and the NK?  I have other theories that don't need to leave my head until I get everything on Bard but this is to just tell you I'm here.

This was a point of contention when I first brought the twist to light, as it happens.  Why would the twist override the doc shot?

Which brings me to another point.  Hourai claimed when he targeted me (and hit Bard) that he successfully protected "me" from something.  If someone targeted Pesco with an ability N1, and it could be construed as negative, now would be the time to speak up.  It could clear Hourai for good.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 09, 2011, 12:10:27 AM
Ahahahahaha. I suck. Where to begin?

Oh man, my play yesterday. I could come up with all types of BS to make it sound better, but here it is.
Near the end of D2, I had done a reread on Pesco and convinced myself that he was more likely to be scum. So I came up with the plan to get him lynched, while at the same time, pretending to hunt Schezo. I reasoned that if I could convince others that I wanted him dead, while having them see my vote was on him, then they would believe that I wasn't likely to be scum when Pesco flipped since I could've anony voted, thereby giving me some townie cred, which is always good to have, especially when you're town. I dunno how to explain this. I pretended to want someone dead, and when it wouldn't happen, people would see me as not scum?


Regarding my role, I've said all I have to say on it. The twist? I believe my role protects against all inherently bad effects, where the twist could be beneficial. NK and probably post restrictions would not go through.


Edible- Just to understand, your main point on Conqueror is that he almost never mentioned Bard?

If you need me to answer a question, ask. So many floating around.

New reply
And! I was told that it did protect from something, which is why I needed to recharge.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 09, 2011, 12:15:42 AM
Hanged Helper: Oh, okay, I guess you're the only role that doesn't have two effects then.
No wait. That's stupid. So who do you think is the scum team if it's not you?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Edible on March 09, 2011, 12:16:16 AM
Edible- Just to understand, your main point on Conqueror is that he almost never mentioned Bard?

Nah, it was just something I noticed while looking through his posts.  It's enough of a reason for me to do a deeper contextual reread of him, which I haven't gotten to yet.  Barely being able to access the site from work kinda puts a damper on my availability. :V
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Schezo on March 09, 2011, 12:19:05 AM
Ok, I got stuff to say but I'm waiting on huh what to return with what I can and cannot say.

Hourai the raw stupidity behind that logic just doesn't even make coherent sense.  If you were convinced someone was scum, why try to hide your opinion?  What you did there is actually a lot worse because I get the feeling you're hinting that you may have know Pesco was town all along and didn't want to get caught on a town wagon, which wouldn't have damned you if you had given some information, but you didn't.
And I would like you restate everything about your doctor role right now please.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 09, 2011, 12:20:06 AM
Schezo can you answer me this quickly? Is Bard the Bus Driver?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Schezo on March 09, 2011, 12:22:19 AM
It says something about being a bus driver but not like I would think.  Hold on a sec for a full response.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 09, 2011, 12:29:17 AM
Hanged Helper: Oh, okay, I guess you're the only role that doesn't have two effects then.
No wait. That's stupid. So who do you think is the scum team if it's not you?
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You guys are aware of your two effects? I thought the death effect was a surprise to everyone. I don't have any effect that occurs when I die, or at least wasn't told.

As for scum, urgh, Dormio. Conqueror second. I feel that at least 1 of them is scum.

If you were convinced someone was scum, why try to hide your opinion? 

And I would like you restate everything about your doctor role right now please.
Like I said, more cred. And I knew that I didn't mention Pesco, so openly wanting a lynch on him at the end of the day, tying up the wagons, would be very suspect. Like this is any better. :V

I'm a rechargeable doc. If I successfully protect, I need to charge the next night.
D1, protected Edible.
Notified that protect went over someone and Pesco.
Told that it did protect something, which is why I needed to recharge.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 09, 2011, 12:31:07 AM
*Night 1
:P
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Schezo on March 09, 2011, 12:40:13 AM
Ok the results are in!  Schezo enlightenment time:

Bard was allowed to nightpost (duh)

He had the twist virus which he was obligated to pass onto others.  It says it's a bus driver thing where people who targeted the player who sent the virus got the receiver of the virus and people who targeted the receiver targeted Bard.  Players who got the virus are required to spread it and it took priority over every power they had but killing roles. 

It is said to give a negative redirecting effect after the virus is received but they wouldn't be told of it's effects.

Once he passed it the virus was on it's own by whoever got it.  I'm reading it (I got his full role PM) as they got a PM with Virus and some stipulations and were told the fact that one can still nightkill and pass the virus, perhaps Edible can share all he got with the Virus?

Once Bard dies the virus stops

Mod guaranteed the most crazy and bastardized role in the game.

If you all need some clarification on a part, ask, I'll try to say it without quoting the PM.


So, in short Hourai's a liar and needs to be lynched.  He should have prevented this because it clearly states in the role PM it's a negative effect and would be flavored as such.  It's very easy to reverse engineer a statement when the virus is your partner that you can talk to.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 09, 2011, 12:45:05 AM
So either the mod messed up, or my protect went up after the twist. Because I know I'm town.

If, but more likely, when I die and flip town. Kill Schezo.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 09, 2011, 12:48:43 AM
Reiterating for emphasis.

When I die and flip town, kill Schezo.


Reiterating for emphasis.

When I die and flip town, kill Schezo.



Reiterating for emphasis.

When I die and flip town, kill Schezo.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 09, 2011, 01:00:06 AM
Honestly I'm not quite sure why we're treading over this ground again.  Even if Hourai is telling the truth about targeting or even power suite it doesn't clear him, because scum would know the power would swap, and blocking everything targeting Pesco and Bard would be great as well.  Extra great if it blocks info gathering because of the number of people targeting Pesco.

Perhaps there's some other role that can be brought forth to shed light on the matter?  Shadoweh? Schezo? I've got nothing.

Hourai, that was a terrible play if you were town.  And if you are town you need to find who the real scum is, with good evidence.

Edible, I dislike how you keep claiming that Bardiche's plan hurt you in any way.  It, in fact, protected you from everything that was going down on Pesco.  On reviewing, I also dislike how you completely shrugged off the idea that Bardiche might have been the source of your twist early day 2, and instead gave him a pass.

As a side note I've Pesco Messaged as I said I would.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 09, 2011, 01:08:21 AM
You'd think since he knew what the power did that Hanged Helper would come up with a roleclaim that worked. It doesn't matter if he's telling the truth. It's more important that he's lying and we've proved it. I think the only people that ever believed the claim are you and.. who was the other..
Quote from: Bardiche
On matters related to what happened tonight, let me get this straight.

Pesco targeted Edible, but his ability wound up hitting me.
Hourai targeted Edible, but his ability wound up hitting me.
Shadoweh targeted Pesco, and his ability also wound up hitting me.

This is all consistent with Pesco's claim that whatever will occur to him will also occur to me, and so far everyone's claims check out. Including Hourai's.
Also pretty sure you mean Schezo not Edible.

About powers, if you look really closely you can see Hourai used one just now.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 09, 2011, 01:10:48 AM
About powers, if you look really closely you can see Hourai used one just now.

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Do we have any dayvigs? Can't have role madness without some vigs.
Getting my flip end of D4 is not soon enough for me.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 09, 2011, 01:11:47 AM
No, I meant Edible.  Schezo I'm almost certain is being honest.  Let me quickly review then give my thoughts.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 09, 2011, 01:18:01 AM
The best thing about you being lynched Hourai is if flipping town is a part of your role we'll get to see it.
Also I know the count hasn't changed but just so they still feel useful..
@Mod Can I get a votecount?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 09, 2011, 01:20:49 AM
Shadoweh-
About powers, if you look really closely you can see Hourai used one just now.
Don't just drag my name through the mud. What do you mean by that?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Edible on March 09, 2011, 01:22:11 AM
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Edible, I dislike how you keep claiming that Bardiche's plan hurt you in any way.  It, in fact, protected you from everything that was going down on Pesco.

"Everything that was going down on pesco" meaning... what, exactly?  Do I need to point out again where night-Bard told any theoretical investigative roles to target me, and then used his twist on me?  Knowing what we do about the role, that would have given a scum result.  How in the world is that beneficial?  It's a coincidence that something worse didn't happen.

On reviewing, I also dislike how you completely shrugged off the idea that Bardiche might have been the source of your twist early day 2, and instead gave him a pass.

Er, got a source for the shrugging off thing?  I don't remember considering who might have caused the twist yesterday.  Also, I'm aware my opinion on Bard wasn't the right one, but if I recall correctly only you and Zak had negative opinions on him, and only Zak bothered to vote him at all.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Thata no Guykoro on March 09, 2011, 01:40:42 AM
Votecount On Demand

Edible (0): Dormio
Hanged Hourai (1): Iced Fairy, Schezo
Conquerer (2): Edible, Dormio
Dormio (1): Conquerer

Not Voting: Hanged Hourai, Iced Fairy, Shadoweh, Doll.S

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. 30 1/4 hours are left.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 09, 2011, 01:42:54 AM
Okay, here we go.  I admit it's shaky as all hell, but I can't get it out of my mind, and I promised I'd post it, so I'm going to run with it until someone breaks my bad logic.

We walk into day 3.  Hourai has just put into action a plan that even HE admits is scummy, and unsurprisingly he gets two people on the lynch train.  Edible has posted, but it's all filler.

So now with the Hourai train reasonably moving along Edible wander in again.  He clears Hourai with a pat on the head and walks away to pursue other scum (with little evidence and or supporting statements).  Why? 

It's as if he already knows Hourai will flip town, and is going to be happy racking up 'scumhunting' points while the rest of town flails around taking the path they have to take, because letting someone who screws town that badly go free (barring cop intervention or a miracle) is bad play.

And once again looking at it, it seems so flimsy I hesitate to post it.  But if Hourai does flip town day 4 Morning, with a full doc suite, well....  Yeah.

Cut: I pressed Bardiche about the matter (too lightly in retrospect).  He denied all involvement.  As I had nothing other then "Bardiche is playing kinda soft this game" I didn't have anywhere to go.  You chimed in to restate the twist matter, making it seem unrelated to either beyond the night effects.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 09, 2011, 01:51:06 AM
Iced, lemme get this straight. Are you sorta handing me a pass? Clearing me as town?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 09, 2011, 02:06:18 AM
Here's the thing.

Your actions are 100% scumlike.  Meanwhile Edible's actions are just kinda funny.

However yesterday Pesco's actions were 100% scumlike, and Bardiche's were just kinda funny.  Until Shadoweh caught him in super scum gambit.

And my mind can't escape the pattern.

But until you put something on the table scumhunt wise I'm not going to even consider giving you a pass.  If this was lylow maybe I'd be stupid here, but right now all you've proven is you're willing to take scum actions.  That can't be brushed off.

You think Schezo is one of the scum?  Go add something other then his claim on Bardiches role.  You think Conqueor's the scum, point out the links.  You think Dormio's the scum, say why.  If you believe my strange theory or think that I'm scum for them, put something down.

Bring something to the table to prove you should even be considered town.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 09, 2011, 02:28:29 AM
I'm mostly posting so Iced Fairy doesn't think everyone abandoned him to hang out with Hanged Helper. Zakeri was smarter then us all yesterday, that's why he got killed last night. Don't worry about how crazy your theories sound but if day 4 rolls around like that I will eat Conqueror's hat.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Edible on March 09, 2011, 03:44:45 AM
After failing to find anything absurdly incriminatory in Conqueror's posts, I wrote up a post-mortem analysis of Bardiche for myself, hoping to reverse-engineer some clues about scum teammates that may exist.  Hopefully it'll be of some use.

Early D1, picks on Shadoweh.  Don't think it means anything. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg564595.html#msg564595)

A little later, D1.  Another pick at Shadoweh.  A prod on Conq for opinions, coupled with a vote for same. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg564905.html#msg564905)

Calls PX for blatant bandwagon hopping; blatantly hops on PX's bandwagon.  I wish I had picked up on this earlier. D:  Also removes his prod on Conq. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg565613.html#msg565613)

This begins a series of hardcore prods on Doll.  Don't think it has any real meaning either, just a player being frustrated with a non-player. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg566063.html#msg566063)

More discussion with PX and little else.  Sigh. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg566919.html#msg566919)

Night post.  I've already made my opinions known about this, given this is the same night he twists me. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg567305.html#msg567305)

First post of D2.  Acknowledgement of link to pesco.  Idle speculation on Shadoweh's restriction.  Vote on Schezo.  Pass on Hourai.  Also uses same "bandwagon hop" logic on Dormio that he used the previous day on PX.  Hmm. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg568918.html#msg568918)

Seems like most everything else is fluff and his explosion at the end of the game.  There's a decent link to Conq in there (the weak prod/unprod early in D1), but it's nothing extremely damning.  Nevertheless, combined with the other "decent link but nothing extremely damning" Conq provided me with earlier, I'm still thinking he's the best lead on scum I have.  I also find Bard doing similar things to PX and Dorm somewhat suspicious.

If anyone wants to know why I get townie feelings from Iced Fairy, it's stuff (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=8570.480;last_msg=572305#postmodify) like this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=8570.480;last_msg=572305#postmodify).  Actually using logic and really thinking his way through things is a pretty pro-town thing to do.  That said, I have to frown at this Edible/Hourai "link" of sorts you've proposed.  It's a DIID situation, where if I continue to not support a Hourai lynch and he's town, I'm pulling a "just as planned" by your scenario; if I continue to not support a Hourai lynch and he's scum, I'm clearing scum (again).

More in a moment.  In the meantime, can someone summarize the case against Hourai for me?  Preferably from someone like Shadoweh, miss "still-townie-obvtown."  What are the chances that Hourai has a fake alignment flip or something, with that not-even-remotely-subtle insinuation to kill Schezo?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 09, 2011, 04:03:40 AM
Edible: It's hard to summarize the Hanged Helper case in anything besides 'because he is bad' but I can add some more points.
1:  Pesco didn't believe his roleclaim and Helper tried to mob him without telling anyone.
2:  I pointed out about four times on day 2 why his claim was impossible and Schezo's sorting of Bardiche's role confirms it.
3: He went out of his way to translate my rant against Schezo and never translated anything else I said.
4: He took 36 hours to defend himself.
5: He's just not that bad at Mafia.
6: Super-Subliminal Advertising.

I don't know if there is one but the day effects could make a town flip for scum possible and Schezo's role would have given town a chance to catch it after the fact. I wish I didn't have to convince you of my case but you're still the tastiest of tasty mans to me.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 09, 2011, 04:18:53 AM
Your last two links are broken Edible, they lead to posting in the thread.

And mainly my confusion towards you is over how quickly you dismissed the cases on Hourai, as well as your light touch towards proceedings. 

However I think I see something of your thoughts here which would change my opinion.  Would you like me to restate my personal case on Hourai, or are you waiting on Schezo to speak?
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Edible on March 09, 2011, 04:22:08 AM
However I think I see something of your thoughts here which would change my opinion.  Would you like me to restate my personal case on Hourai, or are you waiting on Schezo to speak?

Anyone with an opinion one way or the other will do, and Schezo supposedly caught Hourai in a lie and as such needs no further elaboration.  It seems like Hourai is a major point of contention for the day, so I think everyone should get their ideas out in the open.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 09, 2011, 04:28:26 AM
5: He's just not that bad at Mafia.
6: Super-Subliminal Advertising.
5. Thanks I guess
6. What are you talking about?

You still haven't answered me on this thing either.
About powers, if you look really closely you can see Hourai used one just now.
What do you mean? I have nothing except for my doctoring.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 09, 2011, 04:38:55 AM
Way to not answer any of the points you can't argue against. Frankly I can't hear you over the sound of the train anyway. I'd like to hear more from Schezo too and Dormio even if I think he's the likely partner.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Iced Fairy on March 09, 2011, 04:46:36 AM
Very well.  Most of my reasoning is available in my first post on Day 3, but I'll expand a little.

Hourai was the deciding vote before Bardiche got caught red handed.  It was his support that made the consensus Lynch Schezo instead of lynch Pesco.  With your move onto Dolls that the sets were tied, with Hourai's waffle being the deciding factor.

In short, if he wanted to lynch Pesco, thinking Pesco was scum, he could have just out and out lynched Pesco.  He'd have caught scum and looked good.

Instead he pulled that gambit, which would have left town wondering who was the anon vote/ power user who swapped the vote at the last second.  Town spends day three pointing fingers, while probably in lylow.

Reviewing his earlier posts, they've been content starved as well.  D1 is his fight with PX, preceeded by a weak post on Shadoweh and some easy Dolls bashing.  D2 he got a lot of attention because of the power swap madness which allowed him to say little to nothing of merit, while keeping post counts up.  Not much good scumhunting.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 09, 2011, 04:49:23 AM
Way to dodge my questions Shadoweh.

1:  Pesco didn't believe his roleclaim and Helper tried to mob him without telling anyone.
2:  I pointed out about four times on day 2 why his claim was impossible and Schezo's sorting of Bardiche's role confirms it.
3: He went out of his way to translate my rant against Schezo and never translated anything else I said.
4: He took 36 hours to defend himself.
1. And he was scummy.
2. When I flip town, kill Schezo.
3. That's because it was your longest and most headache-inducing post. For everyone's benefit.
4. What can I say? :V Fashionably late.

Also, can I get a list of all the supposed night actions N1? I wanna see something.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 09, 2011, 05:04:58 AM
Thoughts on Hourai, eh?

Quote from: Hanged Hourai
Repitition of "When I flip town, kill Schezo" in normal, underlined, then bolded and underlined, then italicized and bolded and underlined.
[/quote
I'm really not liking the looks of this.

Why Schezo?
Are you really just going to use OMGUS reasoning in Day 3?


Also, Schezo: I thought your ability was to start a riot. How are you finding out role information?




DotS now, will say more later.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 09, 2011, 05:05:30 AM
Bah, messed up quote tag.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 09, 2011, 05:06:58 AM
I understood what you were trying to say. I can answer about Schezo though, he claimed when he thought he was dead yesterday.

God dammit Hourai, if I die to the waffle... I want you all to follow up on him and rectify my death, I mean I got you all in the craziest frenzy since the storming of the Bastille.  :V

I'm serious about that first part though.

Sigh, I have 1 more ability to find out completely and fully anyone who was lynched abilities.  But since we pretty much know all about PX's powers me using it would be moot.  And if I die today, fuck it.

@huh what: then stop giving people crazy powers then. :V
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 09, 2011, 06:38:16 AM
I suppose that fits in with him being king of the lynch.
I dunno, I'm just sceptical about all these roleclaims because mine is so... crappy.


Anyway, yeah, Hourai.
Is it just me, or has Hourai been fairly selective about what questions he's been answering this game?
Hourai's only response to Schezo pointing out flaws in his roleclaim was "the mod screwed up".
And then he basically tries to fish for any people with vig shots.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 09, 2011, 06:38:52 AM
*One day late* Okay I forgot about re-reading edibles stuff since I was too into DotS yesterday and I don't really want to go through all those pages....I think I'll just try to read through the last three pages....150 posts here I come... ;_;

Although while I'm doing it, can someone with a better memory then me give a summary of it? I'm probably gonna forget stuff on page nine while I'm reading page ten....
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 09, 2011, 06:51:58 AM
DotS Fox: It's honestly not how bad your role is that matters, it's how you use it. Except the Miller part. Did you get to fake rolecop Night 2 as well?

Great Grafter of Gyronomes: Doll we can't play the game for you. If you want a good place to start though go to post #376 or as I like to call it the end of the Imperishable Night.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 09, 2011, 06:57:09 AM
Okay, thanks Shadoweh.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 09, 2011, 07:23:13 AM
Did you get to fake rolecop Night 2 as well?
I get to send one message every night.
Unfortunately, I sent my second message to Zakeri, and he kinda died that night.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 09, 2011, 07:27:15 AM
Foxy Love: Why on earth did you suspect Zakeri?
Kawaii Kindler of koma: You're welcome. Sorry about pushing you so hard on your birthday.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 09, 2011, 07:37:13 AM
Stuff happened on Sunday and I had uni from 9-5 on Monday.
I'm pretty sure I was the last person to submit a night action considering I got prodded to do it.
I didn't really suspect Zakeri but I thought that knowing the name of his role might be useful in the future.
I wasn't really expecting him to die.
I should have checked Hourai in retrospect.
I had believed in Hourai's claim until recently.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 09, 2011, 07:56:32 AM
An Almost Completely Pointless Votecount

Edible (0): Dormio
Hanged Hourai (1): Iced Fairy, Schezo
Conquerer (2): Edible, Dormio
Dormio (1): Conquerer

Not Voting: Hanged Hourai, Iced Fairy, Shadoweh, Doll.S

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. ~24 hours are left in the day.

The following players have used up both of their Anonymous Messages:
Shadoweh
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 09, 2011, 08:02:56 AM
Oh, wow, only 24 hours left?
Well, I'm going to miss the deadline tomorrow considering I have uni from 9-6 with a single one hour break.
And it takes me an hour to commute. And it's 7pm right now. orz
Anyway, right now Hourai looks the scummiest to me right now so barring any weird stuff happening I'll probably leave my vote there when I go to sleep.
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on March 09, 2011, 08:03:27 AM
Well we know who to blame if night lasts over 24 hours now! Not really but I'd appreciate if you made sure to send in on time Night 3. I want to see Helper flip so we can get onto the hard day. That goes for everyone with night actions.

Well I want to see another post from Schezo and Conqueror and I'll be watching for if they ask for me but I've really heard enough from Hanged Helper and don't care how long the day lasts after their next posts so:

##VOTE HANGED HOURAI

@Mod It's about that votecount tim-omg he cut me with a votecount!
Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 09, 2011, 09:10:15 AM
Hmm, my votes are currently hovering over Hourai and Conq.

Hourai for the last voting thing, power inconsistency (I think or has that been explained?) and silly gambit everyone was pointing out and what I find suspicious in that he didn't get Night killed even though he had a protect ability, which would make him a juicy target (Which is either because he's scum or he's so like scum that scum believes he'll be lynched next day)...

Conq because of the things edible pointed out and and that his play so far reminds me of my play when I was scum. Now, before you say Dormio is also similar, his play reminds me more of my first game, which I was town.

Now, while my case on Hourai seems a lot more pointing him to scum and that I should vote for him, his play last game (Or was it the game before...) was also really scum like so I'm kinda giving him some leeway there...

Also huhwhat, does these two effects, well, effect each other?

Quote from: huh what link=topic=8570.msg571124#msg571124 date=1299485179
[size=15pt
..:::Day 2:::..[/size]
.::Active Day Effects::.
    [underline]
    • Delayed Autopsy - The flip of the affected day's lynch will not be revealed until the next morning.[/underline]
    • Flock of Pigeons - Players may send eachother anonymous messages through the mod, but only twice in the day. Players who have already used up both of their anonymous messages will be listed below the votecount. Attempting to contact another player through means other than the moderator will still result in a modkill.
      [underline]
    • Double Check - The day's lynch will be given a full flip, revealing additional information on their role.
    [/underline


    Or am I just reading those wrong....?

    Also also, does everyone have in their role tell thing what effect will happen if they die too?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 09, 2011, 09:13:46 AM
    Also also, does everyone have in their role tell thing what effect will happen if they die too?
    I, for one, don't.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 09, 2011, 09:15:32 AM
    Ah darn, I got the underline wrong...it was supposed to underline the first and third effects...

    Also, waiting for a post from huhwhat and Hourai before I make my vote.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 09, 2011, 09:29:37 AM
    Also huhwhat, does these two effects, well, effect each other?
    They overlap, but are unrelated.
    Basically, the day's lynch will be given a full flip, but said flip will not be revealed until D4 begins.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 09, 2011, 11:19:38 AM
    Posting this before I forget and go to sleep without changing my vote.

    ##Unvote
    ##Vote Hanged Hourai
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 09, 2011, 02:06:55 PM
    I need to go to school, and may not be here for the hammer, so let me say this.

    N1, protected Edible
    Notified that protect went up over someone and Pesco
    Told that protect did guard something

    When I flip town with all my role, kill Schezo.

    Dormio scummiest, Conqueror second

    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 09, 2011, 03:24:48 PM
    If everyone could see what happens when they die my role would be pretty useless.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 09, 2011, 04:05:53 PM
    Alright, since Hourai has refused prove he's town and instead throw dying accusations here's my thoughts going into Day 4.

    Conqueror -
    Acts kinda Scummy, Feels kinda Scummy
    Today's content was mildly better, but still mostly rehash, and missing some strange things.  In addition his flow through the game has been scumlike.  Always on the border, until tossed into the limelight.

    Conqueror, if you really are town, I'd take the night to make a stunning Day 4 case.  With good quotes.  Because right now you feel like scum.  And we lynch scum around here.

    Dormio -
    Acts Scummy
    Drive by posting and voting.  Still hasn't built a real case.  Basically nothing has changed since my last post on him substantively.  If you're town, get some facts and logical thinking to bring to the table Day 4.  Otherwise you're on the table.

    Edible -
    Feels kinda Scummy
    Continues to play all his cards to his chest, let others scum hunt for him for the most part and generally be there and kinda towny without doing much to help town.  I'll be clearing my head and doing another post review for sure.

    Schezo -
    More Data Required
    I was lazy and gave you a pass today because, well you didn't feel scummy and weren't acting scummy as far as I could see.  But with a Night session and only 4 people to look over, I've got no excuse now.  Of course the final judgment will be attached more to Hourai's flip, but I might as well do the groundwork.  Even if it turns out to be a waste.

    Now to post this, check the time stamps and get an idea for when I should step in and give my vote.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Schezo on March 09, 2011, 06:30:21 PM
    Lunch hour post go!

    The way Hourai keeps pushing the, "Kill Schezo when I die." Thing makes me feel that his scum flip could come up town for a day and that would be long enough to just throw town off and screw with us.  But now let's bring up his next two targets and how I feel about them.

    After me, because I'm insta scum for trying to lynch him, he wants Dormio dead and then Conqueror.  I am almost certain Conqueror is scum and the way he plays it out would give scum extra days to NK if we keep hitting the town people on his list.  That's not to say Dormio isn't just as bad though.  But notice how he doesn't give a shard of evidence or even a paraphrase to even go off of why he thinks either is suspicious. 

    Oops, ran out of time. :ohdear:  I'll elaborate more on this when I get back.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 09, 2011, 06:59:10 PM
    Another D3 Votecount
    Edible (0): Dormio
    Hanged Hourai (3): Iced Fairy, Schezo, Shadoweh, Dormio
    Conquerer (1): Edible
    Dormio (1): Conquerer

    Not Voting: Hanged Hourai, Iced Fairy, Doll.S

    With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. ~14 hours are left in the day.

    Hanged Hourai is at L-2!

    The following players have used up both of their Anonymous Messages:
    Shadoweh
    Schezo
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 09, 2011, 07:31:29 PM
    I'm just putting a warning now that my internet tried to suicide so if I'm not chatty it's not because I hate you. I'd like if someone hammered earlier in the day so the game doesn't start at 3am again but I'm getting that we aren't in the same time zones.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 09, 2011, 07:44:10 PM
    I should probably explain why I'm ignoring everything Hanged Helper is saying today.
    Basically all his 'accusations' are nothing more then shout outs to confuse town. Why does he want Schezo dead? Is he just trying to use reverse psychology to save him when he flips scum tomorrow? Does he really think Dormio and Conqueror are the scummiest or is he protecting his real partner Edible? Why does he try to call out Iced Fairy for maybe thinking he's town? There is no way to know because nothing he's said has any proof behind it. The only reasons I've talked to him at all is to watch him dig his grave deeper.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 09, 2011, 07:51:05 PM
    6:40am. I hate you all.

    Dormio -
    Acts Scummy
    Drive by posting and voting.  Still hasn't built a real case.  Basically nothing has changed since my last post on him substantively.  If you're town, get some facts and logical thinking to bring to the table Day 4.  Otherwise you're on the table.
    But notice how he doesn't give a shard of evidence or even a paraphrase to even go off of why he thinks either is suspicious. 
    As I said before (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg572508.html#msg572508), I don't like the following about Hourai in addition to what's been stated by others:
    Firstly, that whole "kill Schezo" thing. Really, I don't think Hourai has had a case on Schezo all game and he suddenly jumps out with this.
    Secondly, lying about his roleclaim. Basically, his only defence is that "the mod screwed up".
    Thirdly, he's been ignoring some questions. My question about his thought process on day one for example. I'm sure that there are more but I don't have the time to find them right now.
    Fourth, he's basically like "Hey, if you have a dayvig, you should reveal it to the world and shoot me".


    Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
    Anyway, yeah, I shouldn't come online at 6:30am.
    Now somebody is requesting me to tl stuff. D:
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 09, 2011, 08:38:53 PM
    Oh, wait, upon re-read, Schezo's thing wasn't directed at me.
    I shouldn't be online at 6am.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 09, 2011, 09:01:31 PM
    Hourai, your last post didn't really help and just cemented it for me, so if your town, I'm sorry for doing this.

    ##Vote: Hanged Hourai
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Conqueror on March 09, 2011, 09:27:36 PM
    I'm going to make a post, so please don't hammer. I have to eat first.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 09, 2011, 10:58:17 PM
    Wait a sec on the hammer, I have at least 1 more post to make.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Edible on March 09, 2011, 11:02:53 PM
    Erm, nobody should be hammering anything quite yet.  We still have like 8 hours left in the day, don't we?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 09, 2011, 11:10:18 PM
    Ok, back from school and pleased to see that I haven't been hammered yet.

    First, if you think I have some sort of scum effect to make me flip town, remember the double check effect. You'll get a full workup of my role, which will prove my doctorness. So unless you think I have an ability to manipulate that to go along perfectly, as well as my flip, then take the role at face value.

    Dos, Dormio and Conqueror are my scummiest for being just scummy in general. We've already pointed out a number of times on Conqueror's lurking and not bringing anything new. And Dormio for dropping votes with forgettable hunting. There's not too much more for me to base a whole case off of, and attempting to could likely end up as being seen as parroting.

    Trois, Schezo could be a stone-faced liar. The reason I want Schezo dead is that be could easily be lying about the twist being flavored as bad to just kill me. It also doesn't seem that unreasonable that Bard told him all details of his power, and Schezo is just peppering the negative flavor in. So when your case on me blows up in your face, I will laugh and laugh.

    Shadoweh, don't just ignore.
    This sentence becomes entirely relevant after I flip and you see I was not lying about my role.
    Quote
    About powers, if you look really closely you can see Hourai used one just now.
    If you really mean this, it could mean that you saw someone else use a role.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Conqueror on March 09, 2011, 11:39:16 PM
    Hey Hourai,

    Here's the funny thing. You say you think Dormio and I are the scummiest people here. But you keep repeating that you want Schezo dead, despite never outright claiming what you think is scummy about him. So you don't want town to lynch the people you think are scum. What does that say about you and your opinions?

    Trois, Schezo could be a stone-faced liar. The reason I want Schezo dead is that be could easily be lying about the twist being flavored as bad to just kill me. It also doesn't seem that unreasonable that Bard told him all details of his power, and Schezo is just peppering the negative flavor in. So when your case on me blows up in your face, I will laugh and laugh.

    Or you could be the liar. Or you could both be lying. Are you trying to push another Schezo lynch for the heck of it or do you really think he is scum?

    Your play today has been almost entirely defensive, only attempting to explain why you are not scum and not offering any strong alternatives (beyond the obvious, and even then you don't attempt to provide any reasoning). I see almost no effort coming from you other than the way you're pointing fingers everywhere.

    Annoucing intent to hammer at deadline.


    Erm, nobody should be hammering anything quite yet.  We still have like 8 hours left in the day, don't we?
    I was just making sure, because I thought someone said they wanted to end the day early.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2011, 12:00:24 AM
    Anyone with an opinion one way or the other will do, and Schezo supposedly caught Hourai in a lie and as such needs no further elaboration.  It seems like Hourai is a major point of contention for the day, so I think everyone should get their ideas out in the open.

    I agree. Your thoughts on Hourai, Edible?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Edible on March 10, 2011, 12:02:32 AM
    I agree. Your thoughts on Hourai, Edible?

    I'd still rather see you hang than him, but at this point I can somewhat understand why other people want him lynched. :v
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 10, 2011, 12:03:38 AM
    For today, you two are my scummiest because you're are the most best choices if someone wants to move their vote.

    Trying to convince everyone of Schezo being scum now would likely turn up useless as no one would believe me or listen to me. I have no proof on him until after my flip.

    Summation if I was not clear:
    Today, Dormio, Conqueror scummiest and best alternate lynches
    Tomorrow after flip, Schezo scummiest and best lynch
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2011, 12:08:49 AM
    I'd still rather see you hang than him, but at this point I can somewhat understand why other people want him lynched. :v

    I feel so loved.  :V

    No, but really, I want to hear your personal opinion beyond just understanding where other people's opinions are coming from.


    For today, you two are my scummiest because you're are the most best choices if someone wants to move their vote.

    Trying to convince everyone of Schezo being scum now would likely turn up useless as no one would believe me or listen to me. I have no proof on him until after my flip.

    So you're saying you really have no case, but your flip will magically turn Schezo into the scummiest person in town.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 10, 2011, 12:12:05 AM
    So you're saying you really have no case, but your flip will magically turn Schezo into the scummiest person in town.
    Pretty much since he'd be proven to be lying about his role, or at least the info he got..
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 10, 2011, 12:37:21 AM
    One of my 3 hour classes ended in 1.25 hours so I'm killing time at the library.
    Which gives me enough to make a post. :D

    Trying to convince everyone of Schezo being scum now would likely turn up useless as no one would believe me or listen to me. I have no proof on him until after my flip.
    Oh yes, so let's not even bother trying to find dirt on your target, die with no case at all, and tell people to kill Schezo for no real reason.
    Or, rather, somehow your flip will magically incriminate Schezo.
    Yeah, really not liking this whole thing.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 10, 2011, 12:44:14 AM
    We all know at this point, barring a miracle, I'm going to die. So yes, I'm doing preemptive scumhunting.

    Oh yes, so let's not even bother trying to find dirt on your target, die with no case at all, and tell people to kill Schezo for no real reason.
    Or, rather, somehow your flip will magically incriminate Schezo.
    Not today, but tomorrow.
    Cool parrot, bro. Let me answer the parrot with a parrot of my own.
    Pretty much since he'd be proven to be lying about his role, or at least the info he got..
    Yeah.

    And when D4 rolls around and you have my flip, don't let Schezo use this argument:

    "Guys, if I knew I he would've flipped town, then it would have been pretty bad play for scum to do what I did."
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 10, 2011, 12:45:04 AM
    Oh my this day isn't over yet? I'm the one that said they want the hammer after Conqueror and Schezo got a chance for more input.
    Well since today isn't over and Hanged Helper is still scum I supose I'll post more thoughts on the game.

    So why didn't Pesco believe the roleclaim anyways?
    He never believed it in the first place and I doubt it was because I was a masterful negotiator. But Pesco had a special reason beyond the confusion not to believe and I'm surprised no one mentioned this yet. It might have even been his power. Can you guess what it was yet?
    Answer: Pesco knew one of the rules didn't exist. He was The Addendum which means there are only TWELVE rules in use. Whether it's true or not he could have believed scum had a safe rule to roleclaim, a claim that would have holes in it. Hangy has been claiming rule 9 btw.

    Why would Hanged Helper even pull that gambit as scum if Schezo is town?  Why would it matter who the waffle was on and who got hammered at the end of Day 2 if they're both town right? This is a complicated question that needs to be replaced with the right one.
    Why did scum plan for Pesco to be lynched Day 2? Much easier. Bardiche intercepted Pesco's marriage to Edible and threw the night into chaos. He made it sound plausible that the pair wouldn't be attacked that night. After Hanged Helped claimed not to be able to protect that night Bardiche was arranging for Pesco to get lynched so he had an excuse not to be nightkilled as the pair. If everything had been just as planned there's a good chance scum would have won tonight.

    I have another hilarious theory about Hanged Helper and the end of the day too but I'm saving it for post game. Whenever the rest of you are ready hammererer away.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 10, 2011, 12:48:06 AM
    Hangy has been claiming rule 9 btw.

    Show me.

    Also, hey guys, just keep hunting me when we know I'm dead. It'll make you look super town when you see I'm a doc.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 10, 2011, 12:49:51 AM
    Okay, how about since you're being so helpful I turn that around for you?

    WHAT RULE ARE YOU?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 10, 2011, 12:51:06 AM
    8
    Keep reading the flavor for arguments, I'm sure it'll work out eventually.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 10, 2011, 12:53:02 AM
    You know you're saying the equivalent of "here's my claim, you go prove it because I cbf."
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 10, 2011, 12:55:48 AM
    Anyway, I think the way you've been trying to defend yourself today has been real scummy.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 10, 2011, 01:00:13 AM
    Also, if Conqueror and I are the best alternate lynches for today in you opinion, why doesn't that status carry over to tomorrow for us?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 10, 2011, 01:06:27 AM
    Also, if Conqueror and I are the best alternate lynches for today in you opinion, why doesn't that status carry over to tomorrow for us?

    Because tomorrow, you'll have proof Schezo was lying.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 10, 2011, 01:31:54 AM
    If you truly believe the only way you can make a case is by dying then why don't you stop wasting our time and hammer yourself?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Schezo on March 10, 2011, 01:35:29 AM
    Ok, here's something else on Hourai since he believes I'm lying about what I got from Bard's PMed role, when that's exactly what I got.

    In post 363 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569941.html#msg569941) I'm almost sure he tried to hammer since he misread the 356 votecount part, because there was a mistake in it, where I unvoted Doll while placing the waffle on me so It's look like I'd die with Doll, but he moved it to Pesco, two townies and leave me alive for another day where I would be easy pickings because Bard would be able to smash the hell out of me and Zakeri because it obviously was some sort of scum gambit and waste another day's lynch giving scum probably LYLO and 2 NK's. When that didn't work he made up a lame excuse for doing it.

    Way to not say anything on anyone but Hourai, Conqueror and ask for others opinions without giving any yourself. 
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2011, 01:42:24 AM
    Way to not say anything on anyone but Hourai, Conqueror and ask for others opinions without giving any yourself. 

    Because I already made my opinions on other people known earlier and don't have time for an extensive reread right now? How is that different from what anyone else is doing?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 10, 2011, 02:22:30 AM
    Conqueror: What do you think about the theory Schezo put up?

    For the record,  I don't think there's much you could've done to save yourself today Hourai. Just a bad situation all around.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2011, 05:17:44 AM
    Isn't Schezo's theory basically what I said here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg571826.html#msg571826)?
    The only difference is the part where Schezo clears himself as town.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 10, 2011, 07:59:56 AM
    Deadline is.. now isn't it?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 3
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 10, 2011, 08:32:22 AM
    Not feeling up to writing flavor right now, although it would have been miniscule anyway. You can consider Hourai's fate to be as vague as his flip.

    Hanged Hourai, playing ???, ??? ???, has been lynched! His death triggered the ??? day effect.

    ..:::Night 3:::..
    .::Active Day Effects::.

    .::Upcoming Day Effects::.

    You have somewhere from 24 to 48 hours to send in your night actions.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 3
    Post by: Pesco on March 10, 2011, 09:43:38 AM
    Night hijack for hangmafia. Continuing the one in the dead QT :V

    _ _ X _ A _ _ I _

    13 alive, 6 scum

    Dead townies: E, S

    Edited for Dormio's guess from IRC.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 3
    Post by: Serela on March 10, 2011, 12:15:44 PM
    NO EDITING YOUR POSTS IN MAFIA, PESCO, JEEZ 

    anyway  :V I say... N!
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 3
    Post by: PX on March 10, 2011, 02:31:08 PM
    I'm gonna say H
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 3
    Post by: Pesco on March 10, 2011, 04:53:13 PM
    _ _ X _ A _ N I _

    11 alive, 5 scum

    Dead townies: E, S, H
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 3
    Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2011, 07:03:52 PM
     :yukkuri: :yukkuri: :yukkuri:
             :yukkuri:
             :yukkuri:
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 3
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 10, 2011, 07:30:22 PM
    Conqueror's T it easy killed me.
    I add O
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 3
    Post by: Pesco on March 10, 2011, 07:44:07 PM
    _ _ X _ A _ N I _

    10 alive, 5 scum

    Dead townies: E, S, H, O

    I don't see his post.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 3
    Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2011, 07:57:09 PM
    Welp.

    T
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 3
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 10, 2011, 08:01:11 PM
    You damn zombies.
    C.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 3
    Post by: Pesco on March 10, 2011, 08:35:39 PM
    _ _ X _ A _ N I T

    8 alive, 4 scum

    Dead townies: E, S, H, O, C
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 3
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 10, 2011, 08:48:46 PM
    D and M
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 3
    Post by: Pesco on March 10, 2011, 08:51:36 PM
    _ _ X D A M N I T

    6 alive, 2 scum

    Dead townies: E, S, H, O, C
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 3
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 10, 2011, 08:55:12 PM
    F and U
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 3
    Post by: Pesco on March 10, 2011, 09:07:23 PM
    Stop being rude in the thread.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 3
    Post by: Thata no Guykoro on March 10, 2011, 09:10:08 PM
    P?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 3
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 10, 2011, 09:35:50 PM
    Stop being rude in the thread.
    :<

    It was a totally reasonable guess.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 3
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 10, 2011, 10:40:47 PM
    Y
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 12, 2011, 02:17:25 AM
    It seems that all players are accounted for today. I guess nobody died?

    We do, however, now know more information about Hourai. It appears he was playing Rule 8, Townie Magical Barrier, and his death triggered the Blessing day effect. According to a Double Check, his role was as follows:
    Quote
    You are Rule 8, Townie Magical Barrier.

    Your abilities are as follows:
    • Being an embodiment of No Lynches, you are adequately prepared to protect townies from harm. During the night phase, you may PM me the command ##Guard (Player Name), and the player you chose will be immune to all harmful actions that night, nightkills included.
    • However, your ability is not without its limits. If you succesfully protect your target from any type of harmful action, you will be informed that you will need to spend the following night recharging. During said night, you will be incapable of using your role.
    You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Best of luck!

    ..:::Day 4:::..
    .::Active Day Effects::.

    .::Upcoming Day Effects::.

    You have 72 hours to decide on who to kill. With seven alive, it takes four to lynch.

    * Before somebody flips the fuck out over the potential implications of this, the linking effect of Pesco's role was considered a redirect.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 02:37:10 AM
     :colonveeplusalpha: FGGHDS
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 12, 2011, 03:01:01 AM
    ##Vote: Schezo

    Your sacrifice won't be in vain Hourai!
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 12, 2011, 03:04:56 AM
    Hey wait a second, there's no night kill....
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 03:10:29 AM
    Huh What.

    Anyways...

    ##Promote Shadoweh

    So.  Certain people got some 'splaining to do.  I'll be nice and let you all make the points first instead of taking them for myself.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 03:12:41 AM
    Okay, done flipping the frickity frick out. Well no I'm not but wow. What a way to blow townie cred.
    We need more information. Remember there are vote roles and don't throw down too many votes on one person yet.
    I'm not even sure we'll get to use the Blessing since the Doctor is dead.
    @mod Will you tell us when town is in MYLO or LYLO?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Conqueror on March 12, 2011, 03:17:46 AM
    So.  Certain people got some 'splaining to do.  I'll be nice and let you all make the points first instead of taking them for myself.
    You could use some explaining yourself. And why so passive?


    I'm going to have to look over what Hourai said again to see if he actually said anything useful or if he was just derping.


    Note: Before anyone asks I forgot to hammer at deadline yesterday because of RL reasons blah blah.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 12, 2011, 03:18:27 AM
    I'm not even sure we'll get to use the Blessing since the Doctor is dead.
    Would you ever have been able to use the Blessing when the Doctor wasn't dead? :V

    @mod Will you tell us when town is in MYLO or LYLO?
    Yes.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 03:22:44 AM
    Wait!

    Dolls, you said you can talk even when dead right!?

    ##Unpromote Shadoweh
    ##Promote Dolls


    Quote
    You could use some explaining yourself. And why so passive?
    Because active pushing hasn't gotten me anywhere.  I want to see people post without crib sheets from me and Shadoweh.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 12, 2011, 03:44:21 AM
    There was no NK last night because I was targeted, and I am bulletproof town.

    Schezo is obviously scum.  His partner is extremely likely to be Shadoweh, who PMed me yesterday asking me to quicklynch Conqueror today - she also said she had "proof" Hourai and Conqueror were lying and scum, respectively.

    I expect roleclaims from both Conq and Shadoweh today.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 03:54:16 AM
    This is an interesting turn of events. I did PM Edible yesterday. I proposed a theory about why I was 110% sure Hourai was on the red colored team but I didn't have any proof.
    I've already said all of what my role does. I am the mighty Rule 4, the Edit by Way of Post. My two powers are to know the setup of the game before everyone else did and to once per night imitate the Grim Reaper and find out what happens when a player dies.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 12, 2011, 03:59:24 AM
    And who did you use your power on last night?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 04:06:01 AM
    Schezo actually, in case Hourai was somehow not lying and the game would last longer then today. He has an interesting but non-scum related power when he dies. But since you're proposing we're the scum team my answer would have to be in doubt.

    I'll confirm the second part of what you said though. Conqueror is scum. Not only is Conqueror scum, he's the post restrictor.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Schezo on March 12, 2011, 04:14:34 AM
    Give me a good reason not to flip the fuck out when the PM you sent me said:
    "negative redirecting effect,"
    How am I supposed to take that when it says he protects, watch this, harmful actions?
    SA;LKDFUIAOWHKLNE

    Sorry Hourai, misinformation. :<

    I know I have a shitton against me now that I'm sure people will jump on me for, but seriously, I honestly believed that Hourai was lying with the information huh what sent me and now I don't know to trust even the mod now.  Goddammit.  I will say right now if I didn't have that complete roll misinterpretation, I wouldn't have pushed the Hourai lynch more than I would have the Conqueror one. 

    Argh but anyways,

    All day yesterday he was one of the main pushers for the Hourai lynch.  He says he wanted to go over me himself yesterday (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg572991.html#msg572991) but, ha ha guess what?  He never did.  Twice (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg571826.html#msg571826).  Now he can use the fact that I pushed to Hourai lynch as a contortion to put on my actions instead of saying anything that he thought about me yesterday, which as scum won't damn him as much as if he tried to say something and then changed his mind.  Edible's entire post about how he misrepresented him (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg572197.html#msg572197) was in my eyes pretty weird because he still gets by with saying next to nothing or just mudslinging.  However you are acting just a little too scum and it's easy for people to jump onto you now.

    But, now Edible, that's pretty interesting, because Shadoweh sent me pretty much the same thing about how she knows all this stuff, I don't believe it anymore that she has that badass of a role, especially compared to Bard to know all this crap about people.  She says she know for a fact mind you that Conqueror is scum and that I should team up with her to get the Hourai lynch, which I believed in and then the Conqueror lynch which if the nightkill would have went through, would have put town at a LYLO situation I'm almost sure.  That scum gambit with Bard went really well but I didn't want to say this earlier that I think they coordinated it because I say Bard online for more than enough time to quick hammer Doll if he wanted to and with almost everyone on anyway at that time iirc he was just waiting for Shadoweh to unvote to he could catch himself and give Shadoweh what would be the ultimate pass.  I know none of this will seem to stand up to shit because it's all easily forged and it's just off of my and Edible's word, but that's what I really think happened at this point.  Shadoweh also said in his PM to me that he know for a fact Conq. was some virus flavor and would give everyone a post restriction when he died, which is bullshit to me because I'm reading Bard's role as the most Bastardized and that would be hell on earth if everyone in the game had to go through Shadoweh's post restriction for a whole day.  Also, how on earth does he know that there are vote changing role out?  Once again he has way too much information to be town, because so far he's hinted at vig day one and is now a rolecop with what he says is only an ability to look at people's death abilities.  But when I look at what Hourai's death ability just did, I see no correlation between giving someone a one shot cop and being doctor.  We don't know Kitten's day ability and PX's still was kinda waffle but Pesco's linking and then sending bird's to each other is just so random there is no way he can deduce, all the way to flavor mind you, people's roles. 
    WIFOM but, ya ever notice how he's almost proven town "rolecop" and since Doll is pretty useless, I would have thought he would have been the NK target because proven townies are always bad for scum, especially lategame, but he hasn't died for either of the two nights.
    ##Vote: Shadoweh

    Doll, would giving you a one shot cop and then being able to talk at night outweigh the ability of your other "secret" one?

    and because I hate getting cut without being able to put in a word edgewise, take this.  But Shadoweh, if you know the setup of the game, don't you think it would help town to share that knowledge?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 04:16:54 AM
    I'll confirm the second part of what you said though. Conqueror is scum. Not only is Conqueror scum, he's the post restrictor.
    Could you explain this Shadoweh?

    If you can confirm my suspicions here then I think I'll know what's going on.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 12, 2011, 04:18:52 AM
    I know I have a shitton against me now that I'm sure people will jump on me for, but seriously, I honestly believed that Hourai was lying with the information huh what sent me and now I don't know to trust even the mod now.  Goddammit.  I will say right now if I didn't have that complete roll misinterpretation, I wouldn't have pushed the Hourai lynch more than I would have the Conqueror one. 

    No offense, but claiming mod screwups is pointless.  You're either scum or the game is unplayable; I'll choose the former.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Schezo on March 12, 2011, 04:20:00 AM
    Le sigh.  Yes mod blame is pointless, let's drop it.

    I'll also say that Shadoweh didn't answer a single question from my big post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569786.html#msg569786) earlier.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 04:20:29 AM
    Holy crap Schezo wall of text. I'll address the rest but I'm going to point this part out right now.

    and because I hate getting cut without being able to put in a word edgewise, take this.  But Shadoweh, if you know the setup of the game, don't you think it would help town to share that knowledge?

    After giving it some thought I've come to the conclusion keeping the information my role gave me a secret isn't a good enough reason to withhold this from Town.

    As part of my role I checked the edit history of MafiaRules.rtf (who uses wordpad seriously) and saw some of the game setup. Whenever someone dies a special effect is added to the day phase afterwards. The effect is specifically linked to the person lynched which is why I think it relates to the rules we represent.

    Iced Fairy: Conqueror's day effect is called VIRUS OUTBREAK and gives everyone a POSTING RESTRICTION with differing effects if broken.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 12, 2011, 04:21:38 AM
    Well, this is an interesting turn of events. Edible vs Shadoweh....

    Hmm, what rule are you then Edible? Non of the rules seem to be connected to being bulletproof?

    Also ice, yeah, I can talk at night after I die if I choose that power of my ability.

    Edit: Schezo: I guess if I hit then right target it'll be better but not if it's lylo or mylo or whatever...
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Schezo on March 12, 2011, 04:23:34 AM
    We aren't in that right now Doll so can that better help you answer my question?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 12, 2011, 04:23:58 AM
    I honestly believed that Hourai was lying with the information huh what sent me and now I don't know to trust even the mod now.  Goddammit.
    I could modkill you for supposedly directly quoting me if I wanted to. >:|
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Schezo on March 12, 2011, 04:25:53 AM
    ...I'm horrible, I'm taking a break and seeing if I can calm down for a minute, sorry.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 12, 2011, 04:27:45 AM
    Iced Fairy: Conqueror's day effect is called VIRUS OUTBREAK and gives everyone a POSTING RESTRICTION with differing effects if broken.

    *blink* Weren't you the only one effected?

    and yeah, I guess it'll be more helpful.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 04:29:57 AM
    Iced Fairy: Conqueror's day effect is called VIRUS OUTBREAK and gives everyone a POSTING RESTRICTION with differing effects if broken.
    ...

    And things get more confusing.  Shadoweh, what day did you check this and (this is very very important) what is the wording of your grim reaper ability.  Don't quote, just give me an idea on it's restrictions and resolution.

    I'm gonna give my initial idea's tonight, but the answer to this question may totally change everything I say.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 04:37:08 AM
    Give me a good reason not to flip the fuck out when the PM you sent me said:
    "negative redirecting effect,"
    How am I supposed to take that when it says he protects, watch this, harmful actions?
    SA;LKDFUIAOWHKLNE

    Sorry Hourai, misinformation. :<
    It had me fooled too -.- I've been trying to parse how this could be possible if Schezo isn't scum and it implies that the virus got passed before any role actions were taken into question. Which would explain how Hourai got redirected without stopping the virus. Schezo, can you check over the rest of the wording for that?

    Quote
    But, now Edible, that's pretty interesting, because Shadoweh sent me pretty much the same thing about how she knows all this stuff, I don't believe it anymore that she has that badass of a role, especially compared to Bard to know all this crap about people.  She says she know for a fact mind you that Conqueror is scum and that I should team up with her to get the Hourai lynch, which I believed in and then the Conqueror lynch which if the nightkill would have went through, would have put town at a LYLO situation I'm almost sure.  That scum gambit with Bard went really well but I didn't want to say this earlier that I think they coordinated it because I say Bard online for more than enough time to quick hammer Doll if he wanted to and with almost everyone on anyway at that time iirc he was just waiting for Shadoweh to unvote to he could catch himself and give Shadoweh what would be the ultimate pass.  I know none of this will seem to stand up to shit because it's all easily forged and it's just off of my and Edible's word, but that's what I really think happened at this point.  Shadoweh also said in his PM to me that he know for a fact Conq. was some virus flavor and would give everyone a post restriction when he died, which is bullshit to me because I'm reading Bard's role as the most Bastardized and that would be hell on earth if everyone in the game had to go through Shadoweh's post restriction for a whole day.  Also, how on earth does he know that there are vote changing role out?  Once again he has way too much information to be town, because so far he's hinted at vig day one and is now a rolecop with what he says is only an ability to look at people's death abilities.  But when I look at what Hourai's death ability just did, I see no correlation between giving someone a one shot cop and being doctor.  We don't know Kitten's day ability and PX's still was kinda waffle but Pesco's linking and then sending bird's to each other is just so random there is no way he can deduce, all the way to flavor mind you, people's roles. 
    WIFOM but, ya ever notice how he's almost proven town "rolecop" and since Doll is pretty useless, I would have thought he would have been the NK target because proven townies are always bad for scum, especially lategame, but he hasn't died for either of the two nights.

    If Hourai was town, which we now KNOW was true, Bardiche was trying to quickly take advantage of a hammer that would guarentee a town would be lynched the next day because what Hourai did was horrible. That would have left us 5 townies and 3 scum, and when Hourai got lynched scum would have won yesterday. Honestly I thought Hourai was setting it up so Zak could hammer and I was as shocked as everyone when Bardiche's name disappeared.

    I know there are vote changing roles out there because Edible is called Hammer Bros and Iced Fairy claimed vote strengthening powers yesterday.

    Why would Scum kill Doll when he's claimed his powers activate when he DIES?

    Yes, everyone going through Conqueror's day effect will be hell on earth. That's why I wanted to kill the other scum first.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 12, 2011, 04:41:41 AM
    Hmm, what rule are you then Edible? Non of the rules seem to be connected to being bulletproof?

    I'm rule 10.  I have a hammer with which I use to fight off any attackers at night, which also lets me know I've been targeted.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 04:43:50 AM
    ...
    And things get more confusing.  Shadoweh, what day did you check this and (this is very very important) what is the wording of your grim reaper ability.  Don't quote, just give me an idea on it's restrictions and resolution.
    I'm gonna give my initial idea's tonight, but the answer to this question may totally change everything I say.
    I checked Conqueror yesterday, hence why both Schezo and Edible know about it because I sent it to them via pidgeons.
    Every night I target one player and I learn the day effect that their death triggers. It doesn't say it's a negative effect and when I used it on Pesco the first night it gave me both the effects of Pesco and Bardiche.

    Yes Doll, I was the only one given the effect of the posting restriction on Night 2. If Conqueror is lynched we ALL get one.

    I'm going to have to start making the argument against Edible soon, so if anyone has more questions speak now. I'm going to point out right now that scum doesn't have to nightkill and Edible can fake a bulletproof claim just by not killing anyone.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 04:45:40 AM
    Edit By Way of Me: Er, given the posting restriction on Night 1 effecting me Day 2, duh
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Schezo on March 12, 2011, 04:46:08 AM
    Quote
    've been trying to parse how this could be possible if Schezo isn't scum and it implies that the virus got passed before any role actions were taken into question. Which would explain how Hourai got redirected without stopping the virus. Schezo, can you check over the rest of the wording for that?
    Umm, can you ask this again?  Like what do you want me to tell you?

    Quote
    I know there are vote changing roles out there because Edible is called Hammer Bros and Iced Fairy claimed vote strengthening powers yesterday.
    Asking again because you were asked before, where do you see this?  I would like to see the quotes because I guess I'm missing it.

    Quote
    Why would Scum kill Doll when he's claimed his powers activate when he DIES?
    Why not?  He's town and this is role madness so everyone activates something when they die.

    And if you know for a fact that Conqueror is scum, why on earth hasn't your vote gotten on him and stayed there like glue if you really are town?  Confirmed scum like if you copped him has no reason for you not to have your vote on him so that doesn't help your case.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 04:51:37 AM
    Once again, this may change when Shadoweh fullclaims.  Shadoweh be VERY precise.  We already know the wording of powers is important given the fiasco last day.

    However assuming you aren't blatantly lying:

    Edible is scum.

    Day 1, Pesco catches him cheerleading.  Edible misrepresents Pesco badly and attacks him for it.  Pesco foolishly overreacts and does some terribad scumhunting after that, allowing Edible to do nothing day 1.

    Day 2, a continuation of the Pesco malarky.  Edible again does no scumhunting.  After the Bardiche mess Edible swaps to Hourai, who we now know was Doc.  Normally not a big deal, but Bardiche's final post indicates scum thought lynches could be selected randomly.

    Day 3, Continues non posting.  States he doesn't need to scumhunt because he's town, except his reasoning for that is terrible.  Finally when pressed enough says "Conqueror doesn't post much."  The understatement of the year.  Follows it up with a reasonable commentary on how he didn't target Bardiche much, until you reread Conq and see the same is true for most of the people in the game.

    Finally he posts a long string of Bardiche quotes saying that Bardiche didn't say a lot.  Once again, not really news.  Follows it up with a demand for information from everyone else.  Then after he gets that information says absolutly nothing on his own.

    Then Day 4.  Goes after the easy targets.  The ones pushing for Hourai yesterday.  But here's the slip up.  His charge against Shadoweh is that "she told me to quicklynch the second scummiest person in the game."

    Now sure, I don't like the reasoning for quicklynching someone.  But does anyone HONESTLY believe that Shadoweh expected Hourai to flip town with that kind of note?  What kind of scum expects town to quicklynch someone after they were responsible for a town flip?  What kind of scum expects town to quicklynch on lylow?  And if she's scumpartners with Schezo, why did she send him a PM?  Shouldn't she just talk with her fellow scum and send ME the PM?

    Heck, why would she kill you if she was counting on you to quicklynch?

    Simply put Edible has been acting like a mafia godfather this entire game.  He sits around, takes strong stands on easy targets, and then sends the rest of town to do his scumhunting for him.

    On a personal note, I'd like to state I don't enjoy how the Hammer Brother sat around waiting for someone else to hammer last night as well.  But I grudgingly admit that could be pro or anti town.

    ##Vote Edible

    Note: I'm paying close attention to the Schezo mess, and I'm waiting for a real Conqueror and Dormio post.  But Shadoweh's power info is the most important.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 04:52:50 AM
    Ah.  Yesterday.  That all falls into place then.

    Edible/Conqueror scum team.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 04:57:36 AM
    Umm, can you ask this again?  Like what do you want me to tell you?
    Does the wording of Bardiche's virus imply that it will take effect before any other night actions?

    Quote from: Schezo
    ]Asking again because you were asked before, where do you see this?  I would like to see the quotes because I guess I'm missing it.
    First a warning :  There are vote strength manipulating powers in the game (yes that's a partial claim).  I didn't use mine, but if someone else has them scum could quick hammer before you'd expect it.  It'd be stupid, but Day 2 proved scum can be stupid.  Vote Unvote on anyone with a vote already on them is safer for town right now.
    Also, I know through my night abilities that Edible is a "Hammer Bro", does this sound like town to you?

    Quote from: Schezo
    Why not?  He's town and this is role madness so everyone activates something when they die.
    No, everyone has two powers AND an effect that activates when they die. Doll's powers as he's stated ALL activate when he dies. I'm not sure what will happen if I check him. Either I'll see a third effect or I'll see his two choosable powers.
    Quote from: Schezo
    And if you know for a fact that Conqueror is scum, why on earth hasn't your vote gotten on him and stayed there like glue if you really are town?  Confirmed scum like if you copped him has no reason for you not to have your vote on him so that doesn't help your case.
    I told you why yesterday, I didn't want another backwards impossible to be understood through restriction. I also wanted to watch him so he could lead me to the missing scum since I didn't know if it was Hourai.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 12, 2011, 05:03:13 AM
    @IF: Before I address that, can you clarify something for me?

    How does Shadoweh's ability help your case against my alignment?  I think I'm missing a step in your logic, or it was left out unintentionally.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Schezo on March 12, 2011, 05:06:22 AM
    No one's role that I know of says anything about order of effect so no I guess.

    But scum is scum, saving them for later if you know they are there isn't helping town because if we wait until LYLO to try and lynch Conq. and it doesn't work we lose because we listened to someone who may or may not be anti town because your actions are showing it.

    Now to Iced Fairy.
    I almost agree in full with that whole statement.  It makes sense and all comes together.  I'm would like to see more posts from almost everyone so I can make my decision about who to vote.

    ##Promote: Doll S.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 05:08:36 AM
    @IF: Before I address that, can you clarify something for me?

    How does Shadoweh's ability help your case against my alignment?  I think I'm missing a step in your logic, or it was left out unintentionally.
    It was.  But I can give it out anyway.

    I'm Town Tetris Block.  One of my powers is to wander over to someone and see if they leave their house at night.

    I used this on Conqueror last night but it fizzled.  If she'd claimed to have done gathering N3, and that it targeted the people she'd have been possibly lying, and thus scum.

    But that isn't the case.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 12, 2011, 05:12:52 AM
    I don't follow.  Shadoweh targeted Pesco N1, Conq N2 (at least, according to her PM to me and via process of elimination), and Schezo N3.  How does this information change the knowledge you've gleaned from your role?

    (Also, since we're making info public - did you target anyone else in previous nights?)
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 05:13:35 AM
    If I was the only one who knew he was scum I would agree with you Schezo. I honestly spent Day 3 twiddling my thumbs waiting for you to confirm the bus driver was gone so I could tell the people I thought were town what my results had gotten and get their opinions. Take a look at what I sent you and then a look at what Edible is saying, because other then what I said about Edible you got the same message. You should be able to tell he's lying from that. Also that I'm probably wrong about the first paragraph.

    ##Promote Doll.S
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Schezo on March 12, 2011, 05:16:56 AM
    But I have a hard time believing what you say because you have no vote to back up what you are saying.  I guess you could say you want more information but you keep making what seems to me, bold remarks about people and seeming to cheerlead them on.  In short, put a vote to your words so we know what you are really wanting.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 12, 2011, 05:20:39 AM
    Oh, are we looking to clarify if one of us is lying about the PM?

    How 'bout this:

    @Shadoweh: Post word-for-word the PM you sent me last night.  You wrote it, so it doesn't violate the quoting-the-mod scenario.

    Naturally I'll know if you're lying, but the same holds true for you - if one of us lies, one of us is scum, and we'll get a scum lynch as early as today.

    And in the scenario where neither of us is lying (IE, you post it and it's the same one I got word-for-word), everyone can at least analyze the info publically, and I can use it to at least explain where my thought process came from.  I think it's win-win.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 05:22:55 AM
    I don't follow.  Shadoweh targeted Pesco N1, Conq N2 (at least, according to her PM to me and via process of elimination), and Schezo N3.  How does this information change the knowledge you've gleaned from your role?
    It doesn't.  However it removes any doubt I had over her role use due to my own failure.

    (Also, since we're making info public - did you target anyone else in previous nights?)
    [/quote]I targeted Hourai.  That fizzled too.  I was dissapointed because it would have allowed me to tell if Hourai really had used his power.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 12, 2011, 05:23:47 AM
    You targeted Hourai N1 and it fizzled? O_o

    What'd you do N2?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Schezo on March 12, 2011, 05:24:40 AM
    Umm didn't he join day 2?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 05:25:07 AM
    I'm not sure what I want right now. Edible stabbing me in the front came out of nowhere. Do I want to lynch Edible or Conqueror at this point? The possibility that Edible really is bulletproof and there's a third party that's Conqueror's scum partner still exists, as unlikely as I think it is. Even if I can't think of a way Conqueror isn't scum I'm not going to throw my vote somewhere until we decide on a lynch.

    Unlike Conqueror though when I say I'm going to vote for him I'll actually.. yknow.. vote.
    @Mod Am I allowed to quote my anonymous messages in this thread?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 05:25:36 AM
    No I targeted N2.  I wasn't here Night 1 remember?  Joined Day 2.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 12, 2011, 05:29:12 AM
    @Mod Am I allowed to quote my anonymous messages in this thread?
    Yes.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Schezo on March 12, 2011, 05:29:44 AM
    Bulletproof is just an easy claim that I don't believe.  He can easily no kill because I had this option last game when I was Godfather, except people would catch onto it and lynch me in a heartbeat.  I want to see Edible's retort first before I decide what I want.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 12, 2011, 05:34:32 AM
    I should also say that I fully plan to vote Schezo, given he's the only either-confirmed-scum-or-victim-of-ludicrous-mod-screwup we have.  My thoughts on Shadoweh are secondary to this, and the contents of the PM plus the attempt on my life caused me to question her alignment.  I'll agree to drop my case on her today if my previous suggestion of her posting the PM she sent me is followed, assuming it's the same one I received.

    An addendum: Should I find Shadoweh to be lying, I'm well aware it is far more likely for me to be lynched today than her.  I'm totally okay with this - though I'd prefer to survive to lylo seeing as scum can't kill me, I'm more than okay with being lynched if it means lynching scum the next day, given we're not in danger of losing yet.

    Umm didn't he join day 2?

    ajodsfiajsofdiasjf son of a bitch, I forgot about that!

    ... Which leads me to the question of why he'd use his ability on Hourai if Hourai said he couldn't use it N2. :|
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 05:36:39 AM
    There was a line at the top about sending it to the tastiest of tasties that I've lost but:

    Quote from: Shadoweh to Edible
    Dear Edible.

    Hello, this is Shadoweh! I guess someone could try to fake being me but really? Really. You have been chosen to receive this because Dormio doesn't realize he just claimed cop and cleared you. Considering the info I have I'd be surprised if any of the scum role names don't involve 'Virus' and I've thought you were town all game so I might as well live or die with my gut.

    First of all the reason for what happened with Hourai is so simple I can't believe it eluded me. No one was ever suposed to see the waffle move. See how in post 363 he said "Argh, I don't want scum anony voting." and voted, then after the votecount in post 371 said "It said that Doll had L-2!". The votecount in #356 was originally messed up, huh what had Schezo voting Doll (5 votes instead of 4) and said Doll was at L-2. Hourai thought when he voted for Doll it was the hammer. If this plan had worked Bardiche would've been able to hard bus his fiercest opponent Zakeri the next day as the vote that "must have moved". Note that Hanged Hourai and Conqueror are also the ones that helped Bardiche hammer himself.

    Oh, did I mention Conqueror is scum? Because Conqueror is scum. I checked him last night and not only is his day effect named Virus Outbreak but he gives out a POST RESTRICTION when he dies to everyone. Also check out the way he's trying to get Dormio lynched instead of going for the easy Hourai wagon. Now I don't know about you but I don't want another horrific post restriction written by Conqueror tomorrow so I propose we lynch Hourai today and not let Conqueror know we're onto him until he gets hit by a insta-lynch the next day.

    If you agree to this plan please make a post with the words "Oh and Shadoweh is still townie obvious town." I will make a post with the reply "Edible: Is still the tastiest of tasty mans."

    Schezo will note some of the wording is different and the second paragraph is bigger for his because I wrote his second. Obviously since Hourai FLIPPED FRICKING TOWN I no longer want an insta-lynch.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 05:37:45 AM
    I wanted to see if he was lying.  If he couldn't Doc on Night 2 he shouldn't be roaming the streets.  He should be at home like a good doc.

    Sadly it seemed like someone else knew Hourai was going to be grilled for his screwups and muddied the waters.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 05:38:42 AM
    Also I hope this is leading to some brilliant revelation using multiple posts Edible, because I'd hate to think you were stalling with questions.

    Again.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 05:41:26 AM
    x3 just cause

    Hey Conqueror, if your scum giving up is cool.  Keep the silence going.

    (Checks watch)
    Oh right time zones, I'll be polite then.

    Dormio when you wake up a longer post then normal would be nice.  I'm 99.9% certain that I've caught the scum team, but some confirmation is always good.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 12, 2011, 05:58:53 AM
    (Stupid firefox.  I lost what I was typing.)

    I can confirm that Shadoweh's quote is 100% the same as what I received last night.

    @IF: A response for you is coming shortly.  Breaking it up so I can at least get this verification out, and I have to rewrite it.  I wouldn't expect a gigantic mess o' words, though. :P
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 06:01:34 AM
    Iced Fairy: When you say your ability 'fizzled' what exactly did your response say you got?
    For the record I think lynching someone not named Conqueror today is a mistake.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 06:07:54 AM
    Shadoweh: You know I can't quote exactly but both times were the same wording.  The action fizzled out and failed.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 06:13:01 AM
    Did it say that both N2 and N3?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 06:15:25 AM
    Did it say that both N2 and N3?
    Yes.  Though the wording was different between the two because technically it was a different power being used.  My last power allowed me to double up on one of my one shots.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 12, 2011, 06:21:22 AM
    Right, so.  I'll respond to IF's accusations on a per-day basis.

    1) Pesco misrepped me, not the other way around - he used a statement  from Zakeri to back up his claim, when said statement meant something else entirely.  He then targeted me with an ability early-ish in D1, and did very little for the rest of the day (as many have called him out for).  Saying I did nothing is a misrepresentation, especially considering I fully explained the logic behind my vote.

    2) Not only was there pesco malarky, there was ridiculous anonyvoting to have to worry about - and getting hit with that twist.  Sorting these things out took a lot of time, and even then I still hunted scum - though you claim I haven't, which is another misrepresentation.  The Hourai vote was, as I stated after I voted him (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569996.html#msg569996), to voice my displeasure at his silly little unvoting stunt, and also to get my vote off Doll.

    3) I most certainly did not say I "did not scumhunt because I'm town", and I won't even give you the satisfaction of a rebuttal for that statement.  However, much as it shames me to admit, you're right about my case on Conq and my statement on Bard.  They were pretty weak and they were the best I could do that day (I even said I couldn't find solid proof of Conq's scumminess in his posts at some point).  Not saying much for the end of D3 is explainable by looking at Shadoweh's PM to me, whereupon I agreed to let the Hourai lynch go through and pursue Conqueror today.

    4) Going after "easy lynch targets" meaning what, Schezo (who is, again, either confirmed scum or we're playing in a game where the mod lies to us)?  Shadoweh is hardly an "easy lynch target", given the flak I've gotten for even accusing her.  My accusation on Shadoweh was based on several things, such as the timing of both Shadoweh's and Schezo's responses to Bard pulling his vote in D2, the PM, the logic with Hourai (combined with Hourai's town flip), and the attempt on my life last night.

    I believe that's enough for now.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 06:40:18 AM
    1: If Pesco's ability had activated when he said it did the Twist would never have retargetted it.
    3: I believe Iced is referring to:
    You may dislike my scumhunting methods, but a sensible mind understands that I have more townie cred right now than almost any living player, through virtue of solid evidence (see above).  If you insist on painting me as scum, I'll post a rebuttal to your other arguments, but until then I will make better use of my time.
    You didn't say you were immune to needing to scumhunt but you are claiming townie cred from something that protected you from being investigated by anyone or married to Pesco.
    4: Schezo isn't comfirmed scum and you aren't qualified to say what timing went first.

    Before anyone commits to a Schezo lynch I will give you the reason I targetted Conqueror in the first place. I was upset with myself when Pesco flipped and asked myself why I was so intent on tunneling on him after the night actions argument. Then it hit me that it was because Conqueror told me to.
    Shadoweh: I forgot what I was going to say about you because re-reading your posts is painful. I will get back to you later, so someone please remind me. I'll just ask you, what happened to your previous case on Pesco? What may or may not have happened Night One has no bearing on your previous case.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 12, 2011, 06:51:12 AM
    1: If Pesco's ability had activated when he said it did the Twist would never have retargetted it.

    Which makes pesco a liar.  <_<

    Quote
    but you are claiming townie cred from something that protected you from being investigated by anyone or married to Pesco.

    Yeah, uh.  Again, this is me getting targeted by a confirmed scum ability and I already explained that investigative attempts on Bard that night would have hit me instead, and investigative attempts on me would have hit Bard - and he asked town to use them on me.  There is no upside to me getting hit by the twist.  I'm sorry, but if you cannot understand how that gives me town cred I have absolutely nothing left to say to you.

    Quote
    4: Schezo isn't comfirmed scum and you aren't qualified to say what timing went first.

    I agree he isn't confirmed scum - I said he's either confirmed scum or the mod is ridiculous.

    And I'm sorry, but I AM qualified to talk about the "timing":

    Being an embodiment of No Lynches, you are adequately prepared to protect townies from harm. During the night phase, you may PM me the command ##Guard (Player Name), and the player you chose will be immune to all harmful actions that night, nightkills included.

    See the bold part?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 06:57:44 AM
    We can't use Lynch all Liars on Pesco, he's already dead and confirmed town.
    And your twist makes sense with that logic except for one thing. Hourai said he was told his power targetted SOMEONE and Pesco. An investigative role getting SOMEONE IS SCUM would be useless.

    Let's just pretend the mod is ridiculous if it will help you look at cases besides Schezo.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 07:03:21 AM
    Sorry I'm not going to fall for the Zak misquote bit.  The fact that he misread Zak doesn't change the fact that he was right and he stuck to it.  That was passable play.

    Everything AFTER that was terribad admittedly.  Which is why we're down a town.  And I can't fault you for doing for the Pesco lynch at the start.

    However, I can fault you for your switch at the end of the day 2 where you once again fished for the opinions of others before deigning to post yourself.

    Quote
    I believe that's enough for now.
    *Sigh*

    Well normally this is where I'd ask who else is scum but I think EVERYONE wants to lynch conqueror for obvious reasons so....

    Anyway: Why I don't want to lynch Schezo.

    ...

    crap.

    I just realized my reasoning doesn't work.

     ???

    Dammit.

    Ugh

    ##Unvote Edible.


    Alright, I wanted to state that it's now obvious that Hourai didn't cut redirects from the fact that Pesco's link wasn't cleared off.  Thus it obviously didn't work on redirect.  However he specifically wrote in bold that the effect was a negative swapping effect.  Why that specific wording?  None of my obviously negative powers indicate they are as such.  Then again why does the death power today specifically state that it can't be redirected?

    This is too much wine for so late at night.

    I lean towards my original assessment, since I know Schezo has a tendancy to misread to everyone's disadvantage town or scum.  I'll see what the morning brings.

    Final edit: Oh and who has the waffle?  If anyone?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 12, 2011, 07:12:45 AM
    We can't use Lynch all Liars on Pesco, he's already dead and confirmed town.

    Nevertheless, it further discredits any viewpoint that includes Bardiche using the twist on me to "save" me from the link, does it not?

    And your twist makes sense with that logic except for one thing. Hourai said he was told his power targetted SOMEONE and Pesco. An investigative role getting SOMEONE IS SCUM would be useless.

    Hourai said (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg568710.html#msg568710) many (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg568969.html#msg568969) times (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569331.html#msg569331) that he was specifically told he targeted me successfully N1, not "someone."

    Quote
    Let's just pretend the mod is ridiculous if it will help you look at cases besides Schezo.

    SIFOM.  As I've stated, claiming the mod is wrong runs contrary to the game and is an utterly pointless endeavor, because the mod lying means there is no purpose in playing the game.  I'm forced to assume by process of elimination that Schezo was lying, and is therefore scum.

    Final edit: Oh and who has the waffle?  If anyone?

    I sure as hell hope nobody has it.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 07:15:19 AM
    The doubt isn't that Hourai targetted you, Edible. The doubt is that when he targetted you and got redirected he wasn't told who the redirect went to. You want this post that he made after Pesco and I pounded him with his impossible claim:
    Here we go, I was going off memory when I said the protect successfully went up on Edible.
    Upon a reread, I now see that I was only informed the my protect did go up on someone, along with one on Pesco.

    I assumed off of memory that it was referring to Edible since I targeted him.

    So now the actions make a lot more sense.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 12, 2011, 07:16:26 AM
    I completely missed that.  My apologies.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Schezo on March 12, 2011, 07:34:30 AM
    As much as I don't want to push that I was screwed in the info I got, I have to say that I guess I took the information in a way that wasn't completely how the mod wanted it by saying it out of context.  I discussed it and saw how it was different from what he was implying and what I got from that.  I'm not insta confirmed scum though because the info I got was wonky. 

    I'm at an impasse here though.  I can either bash the mod and say I was screwed when I took the info the wrong way on a technicality or I could just let you all lynch me for being obv scum for "lying" about the info I got and how I reported it.  I don't want either because I'm in a rather tight position being town and all that so, I would ask you to drop it but the fact that it is such an important selling point on my case is just; I don't know.  I don't want either.

    That specific wording because that was what was stated in my PM and paraphrasing it to the same thing gave it a different meaning since it already was a delicate issue.  I didn't know the difference between flavored to give a negative effect hint and just that it was a negative effect was enough to not let Hourai block it because that's what the PM is saying and what I got cleared up.

    Edible's fine to make that assumption because it really is damning evidence one could hold towards scum.  Being town and not being extremely careful with that information is what led to my demise that town and scum can make a convincing argument on.

    --

    Both sides have now made some nice cases and now I want to hear from Conqueror to see what he has to say before I make my case.  The case on him will probably be able to fall back onto me though too so I'm trying to figure out what I want from him.  I would like to ask that he make a case on what he thought of me before this whole ordeal.  Of course I ask this not expecting a straight answer because now everything can be biased against what just happened so I'll go with what I thought about him earlier on how he doesn't want to do much in this game and is lurk scum

    ##Unvote:
    ##Vote:Conqueror


    It would also be cool to hear from Dormio too before I forget he's playing.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 07:39:52 AM
    The waffle probably died with Hourai. Good riddance considering the damage it caused.
    There is something else I've been trying to puzzle out. From all the powers we've heard of, what exactly did Hourai protect against? Assume redirects went first right now.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 12, 2011, 08:44:25 AM
    Um, okay, I've been playing DotS for the past 9.75 hours.
    I'll make a post once I've taken a break and read through this topic.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 12, 2011, 09:55:14 AM
    I'm making this post as my head and eyes hurt.
    And did I really spend almost 10 hours on DotS when I should have been working on my report on semantic/episodic memory? orz

    Firstly, Hourai wasn't scum, what? :ohdear:

    Anyway.

    I still believe that Conqueror is scum, and also that Edible is scum though I have no real case on Edible right now.
    I like it how Conqueror did that thing again where he goes "I'll look at you later" and never gets around to it.
    (Against Schezo and somewhat against Iced Fairy)
    Schezo: I'm too tired to look at you. But yeah, Bard's actions don't clear you by any means. I'll look at you again later.
    Also, assuming that Shadoweh is telling the truth and that Conqueror's death effect is a global post restriction, what kind of townie has this sort of ability?


    I'm really not sure what to make of the whole Schezo thing right now.
    I do know that Schezo is the Riot Leader though, that much he's not lying about.

    Hopefully I can make a better post tomorrow when my head is not killing me.
    Because I've been trying to write this for over and hour and have not much.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 12, 2011, 09:56:21 AM
    Because I've been trying to write this for over and hour and have not much.
    Because I've been trying to write this for over an hour and don't have much.*
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 12, 2011, 09:58:43 AM
    Oh yeah.

    ##Vote Conqueror

    And are we giving the fullcop to DollS?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 10:06:13 AM
    Firstly, Hourai wasn't scum, what? :ohdear:
    Inorite?  :ohdear:
    Right now there isn't a person I can't make a case on. I suggest looking at all cases and not just Edible or Schezo.
    I work early today so I'm off for now, if I wake up and see votes that aren't Conqueror I will rage. Yeah, Doll is the only one that won't have a death sentence with the cop besides Edible. Doll just happens to be Super Townie Confirmed 500.

    Doll: What is your opinion on all the players right now?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 01:37:41 PM
    This game is so bad for my sleep schedule I can't sleep because I've been composing this and I have to get it ouuuuuttttt MASSIVE WALL OF TEXT INCOMING.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Conqueror on March 12, 2011, 01:55:43 PM
    Well my POS laptop just trolled me with BSOD and wiped out what I was typing up. I don't feel like retyping it right now, so here are the important parts.

    I can't know if Shadoweh is telling the truth or not because I have no idea what my death effect is, but what I do know is that I am not the post restrictor. I have to frown on your using day effects to determine scumminess - would you have pegged Kitten as scum then because her effect was detrimental to town?

    Anyway, I am Rule 1, the Governator, and I have the power to write the flavor for the night scenes (a.k.a the morning scenes). I also have a one-shot Governor ability that I can use to stop the lynch of a player that I have not voted for on that day

    @Schezo: I will get back to you on that. No, really, I will. Don't kill me before I get back!

    @Shadoweh. As much as I seem to be the "obvious" lynch at the moment, seeing all the votes coming my way, I'd like to see the case you have on me so I can respond to it. That goes for the rest of you as well.

    Fakeedit: It looks like you're doing so, yay! I'll respond to it when I wake up.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Conqueror on March 12, 2011, 01:56:26 PM
    Oh, and @mod
    Votecount please.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 01:58:45 PM
    Okay, so everyone is well aware the only lynch I support today is Conqueror right? Okay? Okay. All the cases I'm making today are on the basis that Conqueror is going to flip scum at the end of the day. If he doesn't flip scum then not only am I going to blow a gasket, we will lose because I'm an obvious lynch.

    Now then. I've had time to parse this new information and I've come to some conclusions.
    Edible is town. At this point in the game faking a bulletproof would be less important then killing me or another town and lynching a town to win today.
    Schezo is town. There was already a freight train of a case against Hourai. Schezo never needed to make up a mod-approved pm lying about negative effects to get him lynched. Especially since it would guarentee he gets murdered the next day.
    Adding to my cases that both of them are town, I don't think Conqueror got the memo I was out for his blood.
    Dormio is town. I still believe Dormio is a cop. What's more, Dormio is the only name Conqueror ever makes a real case and votes for, ever. Everything else is bandwagon hopping. I also don't get the same vibe everyone else does from his posts.
    Doll is town. This is entirely based on his reactions to what we did to him, not his townie cred. I wonder how Bard would feel about his scum team winning because trying to bus a scum Doll went horribly wrong?

    Well we're out of players aren't we? If I believe all of these things, combined with myself being town and Conqueror
    being scum, there's only one conclusion left.

    Iced Fairy is scum. You know how I said I wouldn't do that UncertainKitten text wall thing again? I lied. brackets are my running commentary. POST ANALYSIS GO!

    Post #214 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg568639.html#msg568639) VOTE PESCOOOO! Says Edible looks bad too. Says Bardiche is kind of okay but if Pesco flips scum(haha) Bardiche is high on the list. (so when Pesco flipped town Bard would look good?) Says Schezo is bad, Doll is a lurker, Conqueror is.. a little too soft but at least has big posts and some town had to have fell for PX. Hanged Hourai could be scum. Dormio and Zak give townie vibes but could be lurkers. Shadoweh is just townie vibes. (I think the only thing everyone agreed on all game is how obvtown I am. But besides me his best reviews are Conqueror and Bardiche.)
    Post #227 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg568728.html#msg568728) More on how Dormio and Zak are lurkey and implying they could be lurkscum. Also how Schezo tunneling me is bad because I'm so obvtown.
    Post #237 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg568762.html#msg568762) Anti-claim to dayvigging. (I guess most of the current players didn't read those games but the unlimited dayvig posts always amused me.) Doesn't like my accusation of liars everywhere but is happy to keep VOTING PESCOOOOOO!
    Post #253 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg568815.html#msg568815) New info and vote is going... to stay on VOTE PESCOOOO! Somehow Pesco misrepped everyone's roleclaim except his own (Which considering the switch isn't surprising) and he wants an explanation from Bardiche. But it's totally not autoscummy behaviour. Says my misrep of Hourai's incorrect roleclaim doesn't make me look good. (Bardiche backs up this idea in post #258)
    Post #265 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg568984.html#msg568984) Polite conversation with Bardiche. Confirms again that the incorrect roleclaim plays out. Is still VOTING PESCOOOOO! Still doesn't like Schezo's hunting though sees some of his points on me. (Cheerleading Bardiche's case?) Doesn't like Dormio.
    Post #274 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569041.html#msg569041) Says Schezo's case is correct but the bulk of his case is misrep. (his entire case on me was the anon-voting and the bad role guessing shenanigans. More cheerleading Bardiche's case?) Agrees with Bard being handwavey. Threatens Conqueror with post or else. No vote change.
    It's not one of Iced's posts but in #284 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569223.html#msg569223) Conqueror is all "I have no opinion on you bla bla."
    Post #289 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569270.html#msg569270) Hey Shadoweh, why aren't you VOTING PESCOOOO!? (<_<) The role talks don't change anything! (see post #284 for what this reminds me of.) Gives Conqueror some tips and says he prefers his active lurking to Dormio's vote and run. (NO.) As for his vote, it's going... to stay on VOTING PESCOOOO! Is cut by more things to call Dormio out on.
    Post #292 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569336.html#msg569336) THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HOURAI'S INCORRECT ROLECLAIM SHADOWEH GOD STOP POINTING IT OUT. (Hourai corrects his roleclaim in the next post.)
    Post #318 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569763.html#msg569763) KITTEN4U IS DEAD. (Jerk!) VOTE PESCOOOO! Also trying to talk to Kitten4U's ghost is scummy. Killing Doll is cool. Dormio is bad. Agrees with Zak but we have better things to do then lynch Bard today.
    Post #321 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569772.html#msg569772) Figured Schezo was derp town because he's so emotional (Please read his past opinions on Schezo to see why I think this contradicts everything he's said so far.) Conqueror lurking is bad and Pesco isn't the lead lynch. (He was at the time.)
    Post #334 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569852.html#msg569852) Why aren't you VOTING PESCO? ;-; Oh well let's lynch Doll and Schezo. Says he will change vote to Doll and in #339 reconfirms he'll happily switch back to the Pesco wagon if we go with that.
    Post #352 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg569910.html#msg569910) Current thoughts: PESCO IS SCUM. DOWN WITH MINDHAX. Bardiche is likely scumbuddy! (he doesn't really make a case on Bardiche being scummy on his own merits, just as if Pesco = scum then Bardiche = scum.) Third scum, hopes it's Doll but Dormio is more likely over Conqueror. #354 is just him trying to get more info out of me. He finally changes from Pesco to Doll in #361.

    This marks the Super Anonymous Votecount Bardiche Trainwreck.

    Post #405 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg570009.html#msg570009) I believe you Hourai.
    Post #433 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg571285.html#msg571285) HANGED HOURAI WTF. You were the nail in Schezo's coffin! (except that part where he waffled PESCO.) Also calls out Edible and Dormio! Makes a tiny forgettable callout to Conqueror in comparison.
    Post #437 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg571559.html#msg571559) Comments that Bardiche must have wanted everyone to investigate Edible to investigate Bardiche. (This point is WiFoM since I've said the same thing and even why Bard would want it.) Says Edible convinced him to unvote Hourai despite that Edible doesn't do any scumhunting. Adds in #438 that he's "confused" by how Edible doesn't need to scumhunt cause he's town. I spout some Zen nonsense and get him to post his scum choices, which are Hourai and Dormio. (On a reread this is suspicious since he just unvoted Hourai and he just said he thinks Edible is acting weird.)
    Post #446 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg571652.html#msg571652) Didn't it say somewhere there are three scum?! (Maybe he saw it in the quicktopic. :V)
    Post #448 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg571675.html#msg571675) Oh that's a good catch about Conqueror, Edible. Conqueror does kinda say nothing about anyone.Conqueror makes a huge post #455 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg571826.html#msg571826) and Votes Dormio, surprise. His opinion on Iced Fairy is "Looks better then the three above, keeping an eye on you."
    Post #466 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg571996.html#msg571996)Dormio is disapoint and his points on Conqueror apply more to him. Conqueror made a 'better post' and a comment on Iced which he answers. Premature analysis says Dormio is worse then Conqueror in the Dormio vs Conqueror argument.
    Post #486 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg572241.html#msg572241)Even if Hourai is telling the truth he's scum and doctors blocking info is extra great! Dislikes Edible saying the virus is bad.
    Post #494 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg572270.html#msg572270)The theory on how if Hourai flips town Edible must be scum. Says all Edible's posts today have been filler. (see post #448) It's as if Edible already knows Hourai will flip town!
    Post #496 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg572287.html#msg572287) Tells Hourai his actions are 100% scum and Edible is 'funny' and compares them to Pesco acting 100% scum and Bardiche acting 'funny'. (X = 1 doesn't prove Y = 2!) But Hourai can't get a pass because it's not lylow so Iced can't be stupid. (Edible confirms in #498 that he received my PM.) States in #500 that his confusion at Edible is how quickly Edible dismissed a case he doesn't believe in. Posts the case on Hourai in #504 that was pretty obvious by this point.
    Post #526 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg572716.html#msg572716) His last post of Day 3. Scum order is Conqueror, Dormio, Edible, Schezo. Calls out Conqueror to make an amazing post Day 4 (But we know that's not really going to be nessicary, right?)

    OH GOD IT'S DAY 4 AND HOURAI FLIPPED TOWN WTF.

    Post #582 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg574642.html#msg574642) Wants to promote me even after my crash and burn Day 3. Is going to be nice and sit back to let everyone fight it out. Corrects himself in #586 after I mention that the blessing is basically a death sentence and promotes Doll. Answers Conqueror's last post about being passive because he wants to see people post without scumhunting from him or me. In #592 he asks me to explain why I'm shouting CONQUEROR IS SCUM to the heavens. In #601 he asks me to clarify when I found out about Conqueror and what the exact wording of my power is.
    Post #607 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg574732.html#msg574732)OMFG EDIBLE IS SCUM. HERE ARE SOME MISREPS ABOUT HOW EDIBLE IS SCUM. (Hint, anyone that believed Bardiche thought the vote was random and didn't use the time he got from stalling to make sure Pesco was going to get lynched is wr-ong.) Votes for Edible despite being able to agree that Conqueror is his 100% scum partner. He does an excellent job of explaining why I'm still town despite my horrible Day 3 play, but tries to use it as an excuse why Edible coming after me makes him scum. (Of course since he knows I'm town it's not hard for him to understand why I messed up.)

    tl;dr please see here.

    Holy crap why didn't I notice this before. You seriously have to read Iced Fairy, Bardiche and Conqueror in parallels to understand. Don't look at the exact words, look at the intent. No matter how many times Iced accuses either of those two his tone is less incriminating of them then any other player he mentions. He backs up Bardiche's claims Day 2 and spends Day 3 on a parallel line of lynching Dormio thought. He can't decide if he wants to be on the Hourai wagon or off which since he knows it's town is completely understandable. Both him and Conqueror failed to throw in a hammer. Then he's all about lynching the bulletproof that isn't the confirmed scum. But this last part is the most damning and I didn't look into it above because I want you to read it.

    He's claiming his powers were roleblocked Night 2 and Night 3. Why would a scum roleblocker block him two nights in a row when he didn't claim to be roleblocked Day 3 and if he was roleblocked why didn't he mention it earlier? His claim amounts to 'I was blocked so I did whatever to this guy.' It's a free reign to make up anything. I'm so confident in this I could vote him over Conqueror, but thanks to Hourai I don't need to. We can lynch Conqueror today and Doll can cop Iced Fairy tomorrow.

    PS: For Conqueror. My case on you is that you gave me a backwards posting restriction and I will hang you forever for it. Period. Your day effect could be called Fuzzy Hug Kittens and I wouldn't have seen past 'Post Restriction'.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 02:01:53 PM
    Now I'm going to sleep and work in.. way too soon. Don't expect any replies from me for at least 10 hours.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Conqueror on March 12, 2011, 02:12:47 PM
    That's a huge post. I only skimmed it for the parts relevant to me for now.

    Adding to my cases that both of them are town, I don't think Conqueror got the memo I was out for his blood.
    Eh? This statement doesn't make sense.

    Both him and Conqueror failed to throw in a hammer.
    Not speaking for Iced, but I stated my full intention to vote for the Hourai wagon. Not hammering is a minor detail because you don't need a majority to lynch and you can look at my past posts to see that I stated my intention to hammer, so I was on the wagon whether I hammered or not.

    PS: For Conqueror. My case on you is that you gave me a backwards posting restriction and I will hang you forever for it. Period. Your day effect could be called Fuzzy Hug Kittens and I wouldn't have seen past 'Post Restriction'.
    ...But I didn't give you a posting restriction. D:
    But really, it is nice to have something that I can respond to rather than just lurking here and waiting to die.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Serela on March 12, 2011, 04:49:58 PM
    Dear god why has there been 3 pages without a votecount. I'm busy babysitting but we really need one.

    This Setup Sure Is Confusing, Votecount!

    Conqueror (2) - Schezo, Dormio
    Schezo (1) - Doll.S
    Shadoweh (0) - Schezo
    Edible (0) - Iced Fairy

    Not Voting: Conqueror, Iced Fairy, Edible, Doll.S

    Doll.S has been promoted by Iced Fairy, Schezo, Shadoweh

    With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. There are 57.5 hours left in the day.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 06:00:10 PM
    Oi text wall.

    Alright, Shadoweh, you should sleep before posting something like this because seriously, you do some terrible reasoning here.  If it weren't for the fact that I find the idea of a Bardiche sacrifice D2 utterly ridiculous, and your D3 notes bit obv bad town, I'd almost be tempted to believe Edible's initial claim this day.

    Okay, so everyone is well aware the only lynch I support today is Conqueror right?
    I think at this point everyone has agreed that Conqueror dies.  On that note, let's make sure we don't lynch him too early.

    Votecount please

    cut: Okay.  2 on Conq.  Don't want to let him self hammer yet.

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    Edible is town. At this point in the game faking a bulletproof would be less important then killing me or another town and lynching a town to win today.
    Passable reasoning.  We know from Bardiche that scum make stupid gambits when they don't need to (unless you think Dolls is scum ::) ) but with my airtight reasoning on why Schezo was telling the truth actually being garbage, it seems reasonable.  I still hate his lack of scumhunting and insistence that everyone else put their cards on the table why he keeps his hand hidden.  But that's looking to just be a personal thing.

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    Schezo is town. Schezo never needed to make up a mod-approved pm lying about negative effects to get him lynched.
    Terrible reasoning.  Schezo roleclaimed Day 2 when he was on the hotseat.  Not using his power would have been a strike against him too.  I need to review my case on Schezo though since his day 3 play was pretty non existant barring these damned role shenanigans.

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    Dormio is town. I still believe Dormio is a cop. What's more, Dormio is the only name Conqueror ever makes a real case and votes for, ever. Everything else is bandwagon hopping. I also don't get the same vibe everyone else does from his posts.
    Once again bad reasoning.  Cops aren't always town aligned.  And with EVERYONE having Conqueror on their to kill list, he could well be voting fellow scum.  Honestly my biggest fear right now is that Dormio is the last scum and is laughing at us tearing each other apart.  Which is why I need a reread on Schezo

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    If I believe all of these things, combined with myself being town and Conqueror being scum, there's only one conclusion left.
    You may believe all these things, but 3 of them are damn shakey.  Seriously, look at them again.

    Anyway here is where a closed mind leads to tunneling.

    I'll just correct the specific points where your lack of centext really blows things way out of whack.

    Re: Voting Pesco

    Why didn't I switch from Pesco all day?  Because he did NO scumhunting until the end.  And it was a terrible case on Schezo.  Pesco was terrible all the way through the game, and he seemed most scummy at the time.  I simply refuse to apologize for the case.  I will apologize for getting too emotionally invested in it though.  Still if Pesco had done some real scumhunting I'd have switched off him.

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    THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HOURAI'S INCORRECT ROLECLAIM SHADOWEH GOD STOP POINTING IT OUT.
    (Hourai corrects his roleclaim in the next post.)
    I didn't say nothing was wrong.  I said it was damn obvious that Hourai assumed he targeted the person he targeted.  And I was right.  People make assumptions and then fill in fuzzy places with what they want to see.  For example, your whole post.

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    Post #405 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg570009.html#msg570009) I believe you Hourai.
    Post #433 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg571285.html#msg571285) HANGED HOURAI WTF.
    There was this thing called night two in between these two posts, where I reread all of Hourai's stuff.  Which leads me to this.

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    You were the nail in Schezo's coffin! (except that part where he waffled PESCO.)
    I stand by this, and he himself admits to it here.
    Oh man, my play yesterday. I could come up with all types of BS to make it sound better, but here it is.
    Near the end of D2, I had done a reread on Pesco and convinced myself that he was more likely to be scum. So I came up with the plan to get him lynched, while at the same time, pretending to hunt Schezo.

    Add to it his total lack of scumhunting and he was the most scummy.  Remember I don't have your info PROVING Conqueror is scum yet.

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    (On a reread this is suspicious since he just unvoted Hourai and he just said he thinks Edible is acting weird.)
    This is when my Edible case first started.  I had just noticed that Edible had done about the same amount of scumhunting as Dormio, despite his friendly neighborhood town exterior.  I spent the rest of the day and the start of this one trying to get Edible to do something.

    Oh and stating that most people would target Edible/Pesco Night one is simple fact.  Their play drew attention, and we know for a fact Bardiche, You and Hourai all targeted the pair.  That'd be a solid majority of the remaining players there.

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    Post #486 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg572241.html#msg572241)Even if Hourai is telling the truth he's scum and doctors blocking info is extra great!
    Do you disagree with the idea that if Scum did a Bus on themselves having someone info block wouldn't be good?

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    Calls out Conqueror to make an amazing post Day 4 (But we know that's not really going to be nessicary, right?)
    Don't see that since we're still killing Conqueror.  Remember once again, I didn't know he's scum like you did.

    Post #582 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.msg574642.html#msg574642) Wants to promote me even after my crash and burn Day 3. Is going to be nice and sit back to let everyone fight it out. Corrects himself in #586 after I mention that the blessing is basically a death sentence and promotes Doll.[/quote]
    Honestly, I'd forgotten Dolls claim.  As to why I voted you?  You derp occasionally but I'm still convinced your town, and I figured you'd aim better then Dolls.  I knew it was very dangerous, but I was planing on using Power 1 tonight to stop the kill on you.  (See fullclaim)

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    (Hint, anyone that believed Bardiche thought the vote was random and didn't use the time he got from stalling to make sure Pesco was going to get lynched is wr-ong.)

    By this reasoning Bardiche isn't scum, because it was utterly stupid to anon lynch when he could just wait for someone to come back and hammer two non scum.  Or just for days end.  Bardiche was playing stupidly.

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    He does an excellent job of explaining why I'm still town despite my horrible Day 3 play, but tries to use it as an excuse why Edible coming after me makes him scum.
    Shadoweh when you're accusing logical thought as being scummy behavior you MIGHT BE TUNNLING.

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    Both him and Conqueror failed to throw in a hammer.
    I didn't throw in a Hammer because I didn't want to find out what "Hammer Brother" did.  Especially since I wasn't certain about Edible.  I didn't say this in thread because I did want to find out what happened to Conqueror.  No such luck.

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    Why would a scum roleblocker block him two nights in a row when he didn't claim to be roleblocked Day 3 and if he was roleblocked why didn't he mention it earlier?
    Mu.  Your question is innately wrong.

    A roleblocker wouldn't bother with me two nights in a row.  Heck I don't know if they'd bother with me once.

    But an info blocker would be happy to block my targets, since learning about them would show the most about .

    This is why I wanted to know if you'd claimed to target Conqueror last Night.  Because if you'd claimed to have gotten that info Night 3 you'd have been a liar.

    Alright, fullclaim.

    Rule 9: Town Tetris Block

    Power 1 : One shot complete roleblock.  If it stops the nightkill I am informed of such.  This is why I said my negative powers weren't labled as such.

    Power 2 : One shot Vote boost.  One (hopefully townie) gets a double strength vote.  Doesn't work on myself or in lylow, which is why I'll probably never use it.

    Power 3 : One shot Stalking.  I get to see if people go places, but not where.

    Power 4 : One shot repeat.  I can use any power above once more.

    I've been waiting on using power 1 so that I'd have fewer targets, since it's by far the most powerful of my powers.

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    We can lynch Conqueror today and Doll can cop Iced Fairy tomorrow.
    I think Dolls target would be better elsewhere, but posting it in this thread would be foolish because there's obviously an infoblocker about.  And it says in big bold letters that if it's infoblocked everything goes away.

    Also I'm starting in on finals, so I'm not going to ever deal with a wall of text again.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 09:19:01 PM
    Oh look.  Another huge chunk of silence.

    *Sigh*

    Well I have a 6 page essay to write, and Conqueror is confirmed scum, so I figure the only thing to do is get my thoughts down so Dolls can choose the best target for tonight.  Include what powers they have left in your reasoning Dolls.

    Shadoweh - Town or the best scum in existance.  Those notes scream town bad play.and the post restriction and Bardiche play means she's either town, or scum is sacrificing all their people just to give her town cred, for no good reason.  Heck if she was scum she'd have know her post restriction didn't carry on into the next day and wouldn't have suffered the start of day 3.  Pretty damn obv town.

    Schezo - Mediocre to bad scumhunting all game, often misses a point and goes running of in a direction, and totally botched his autopsy on Bardiche, leading to a dead townie.  Also way too easily pulled into the Shadoweh case by Edible.  But it all seems to be based on emotions.  I can believe he totally misread Bardiche's roll because he's STILL complaining about a dayvig joke Shadoweh made on day 1.
    Claimed powers - No more powers to activate.

    Dormio - Everything I've said about him before still stands.  Drive by voting, ignoring Conqueror entirely until after half the game had pointed out he was scummy, and generally having weak cases with little original thinking.  However I feel Conqueror was trying to send him up the river too early for it to be a proper bussing attempt.  Really Conqueror's attacks on Dormio are the closest to actual scumhunting he got, and given the timing that couldn't be good for scum at all if Dormio was scum.
    Claimed Powers - Can read people's role names.  Sorta Cop.

    Edible - The bulletproof confuses me, but other then that he's been acting scum.  I wanted to see if his attacks on Conqueror look better in hindsight, now that we know Conqs scum, but then I realized he knew Conqueror was next in line.  Which brings me back to my original points on him.  His play is perfect for scum.  Say little while looking rational.  Beat on a known scum to build up town cred, then swap over to known town to hopefully sow dissention, while still being able to retreat back to attacking scum if caught.
    Claimed Powers - Bulletproof

    Myself
    Claimed Powers - Jack of trades.  NKblock, stalking, and vote boost, 2 stalking attempts used.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 12, 2011, 09:37:43 PM
    But really, it is nice to have something that I can respond to rather than just lurking here and waiting to die.
    Shouldn't you be, you know, actually doing stuff if you're town and want to save yourself instead of lurking?
    Or are you going to continue to do that "I'll look at you later" thing?


    Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
    Oh, how I missed you new post warning.

    Iced Fairy: What about Conqueror?
    I mean, you mention other people's thoughts on him but not your own.


    Oh, and I almost forgot.
    ##Promote DollS
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 09:52:35 PM
    I mean, you mention other people's thoughts on him but not your own.
    I didn't include it because we pretty much know he's scum at this point, and honestly I'd just be regurgitating a lot of my old thoughts.  But if you want:

    He hasn't changed at all from his original pattern.  He wrote a few (okay maybe 2) good scumhunting posts (mostly on you) and retreated behind the 'I'll post later' defense for most people.  I also note he posts only when pressed, though given how infrequent his posting is it's easy to see why.  With Shadoweh's cop I'm convinced he's lurkscum.

    Quote
    Anyway, I am Rule 1, the Governator, and I have the power to write the flavor for the night scenes (a.k.a the morning scenes). I also have a one-shot Governor ability that I can use to stop the lynch of a player that I have not voted for on that day
    The only thing I can add is this roleclaim is a joke.  Look at the morning flavor, then back to Conqueror's posts.  DO you see a connection?  Cause I don't.  Oh and look, an excuse for not voting!  How handy to have in a role.

    Not to mention that huhwhat would have to figure out how all the night actions resolved, tell Conqueror the details in advance, then Conqueror would have time to think about what the flips ment before going on to the next day.  Do you see such thought reflected in his posts?

    Yeah.  This claim can't be real.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 10:13:30 PM
    Are you seriously saying we need to lynch Conqueror TWICE because he can block it the first time? God I screwed up not lynching you yesterday. I've never seen Governor used, will it just stop the lynch and redistribute votes or does the person with second-most votes get lynched? If the answer is the first I'm ready to vote for him now and get that power overwith.

    Anyone making a case on Schezo because of the mod pm needs to realize their case is based on a mistake Scum Schezo ISN'T CAPABLE OF MAKING.

    Here's the thing about you Iced Fairy. I completely believe you have a roleblock ability. I believe it because it clears up the last bit of confusion from Night 1. Let's go over this just once more, using the order that by process of elimination we know has to have happened.

    Order of Events: Bardiche's Twist -> Pesco's Link -> Hourai's Protect > Other.

    Remember that Scum doesn't know redirects take place first either. Bardiche uses Bus Driver on Edible. Here's what I think is the missing action. The Scum roleblocker tried to roleblock Pesco.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 10:23:58 PM
    Are you seriously saying we need to lynch Conqueror TWICE because he can block it the first time?
    Do you honestly BELIEVE that roleclaim?

    Quote
    Remember that Scum doesn't know redirects take place first either. Bardiche uses Bus Driver on Edible. Here's what I think is the missing action. The Scum roleblocker tried to roleblock Pesco.
    Problems with your theory:

    1 - I join day 2.
    2 - I still have my one shot roleblocker.
    3 - If Bardiche is Virusing, Conqueror is Restricting you and me from the future sent back to the past is roleblocking, who is night killing?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 12, 2011, 10:26:48 PM
    Jerks are playing DotS without me :<

    ##Unvote: Schezo

    ##Vote: Conquer

    Anyway, I'm gonna lay off Schezo now as it's better to go after a practically confirmed scum then it is to go after a suspected scum. Also, if Conq turned out to be not scum, well....hmm.

    As for Opinion

    IF: Good analyst of things and the fizzles could be just really bad luck or something. I believe IF to be town but not then I'm not a reliable source of observation.

    Schezo: Seems emotional and can get a bit tunneled. I somewhat suspect Schezo is scum but that's mainly because of the Hourai vs Schezo thing.

    Edible: I suspect edible more of scum then Schezo but no enough. Also I would say more but I forgot what edible's posts are like generally as I write this...

    Shadoweh: The most towny to me. That is all.

    Dormio: I nearly forgot about you, you need to post more, even I'm posting more. 3rd most towny to me.

    Conq: Duh, most scum at this point. That is all......

    Yeah I don't have much of a opinion on Conq and Shadoweh.... -_-
     
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 10:35:46 PM
    Do you honestly BELIEVE that roleclaim?
    The flavor part? Hell no. I know that's where his post restriction power goes. The part about Governor? Yes.
    Quote
    1 - I join day 2.
    2 - I still have my one shot roleblocker.
    3 - If Bardiche is Virusing, Conqueror is Restricting you and me from the future sent back to the past is roleblocking, who is night killing?
    I thought about this.
    1: That should clear you right? But is it that crazy to think huh what let the scum team use your power suite? Or that one of them convinced Polaris to send in the night action so they weren't at a disadvantage?
    2: If you never really had to use your fourth power you should indeed still have one roleblock.
    3: Bardiche did the night kill, his virus specifically says he can.  (Edible can clear if I'm incorrect here)

    Doll: If you get the cop I would appreciate it if you copped Iced Fairy. Waiting for the other town to me to post now.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 10:45:14 PM
    2: If you never really had to use your fourth power you should indeed still have one roleblock.
    Except they're all one unique shots.  One of each and a single repeat.  And I used the repeat last night on Conqueror.

    I'd like to argue that roleblocking Pesco is stupid too, but since you're claiming someone else did it for me I can't really defend myself against that accusation.

    And once again.  DOLLS DON'T POST OUR TARGET.  THERE IS A ROLEBLOCKER OUT THERE.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 10:45:57 PM
    BAH!  INFOBLOCKER.

    Ugh I'm going back to my essay.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Serela on March 12, 2011, 10:46:59 PM
    Hey Look, a Votecount!

    Conqueror (3) - Schezo, Dormio, Doll.S
    Schezo (0) - Doll.S
    Shadoweh (0) - Schezo
    Edible (0) - Iced Fairy

    Not Voting: Conqueror, Iced Fairy, Edible,  Shadoweh

    Doll.S has been promoted by Iced Fairy, Schezo, Shadoweh, Dormio

    With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Conqueror is at L-1! There are 51.5 hours left in the day.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 10:57:53 PM
    There's actually an easy way to prove some of this but I need to wait for the other players. Please wait warmly until cases are ready.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 12, 2011, 11:05:12 PM
    I still haven't seen much, if anything, that would make me consider IF as scum.

    I still believe Schezo needs to be lynched, but given we have what is effectively an if-then scenario between Conq and Shadoweh for scum determination, I believe our best bet is the Conq lynch today.

    @Shadoweh:

    1) To answer your questions about governors, in my experience in games of this size it is rare for a governor to be able to prevent their own lynch, but it's not unheard of.

    2) Can you explain this statement?

    Anyone making a case on Schezo because of the mod pm needs to realize their case is based on a mistake Scum Schezo ISN'T CAPABLE OF MAKING.

    Why not?

    If you can think of a scenario in which Schezo told the truth about his role and HW didn't lie about it, I'm all ears.  Until then, lynch all liars - period.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 11:15:32 PM
    Quote from: Edible
    Why not?

    If you can think of a scenario in which Schezo told the truth about his role and HW didn't lie about it, I'm all ears.  Until then, lynch all liars - period.
    The simplest answer to that is Schezo misunderstood the wording. How is it impossible to see that scum Schezo, already knowing Hourai would flip town, would have no reason to claim Hourai was lying? Especially not in a way that would doom him the next day.

    Can you confirm that the wording of the twist would let Bardiche pass it to you as well as nightkill?

    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 12, 2011, 11:17:26 PM
    The twist quite specifically states you cannot use any abilities at night except it and a night kill if you have one.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 12, 2011, 11:19:11 PM
    Remember that Scum doesn't know redirects take place first either. Bardiche uses Bus Driver on Edible. Here's what I think is the missing action. The Scum roleblocker tried to roleblock Pesco.

    Oh, right.  I thought about this problem before bed last night.

    We're missing K4U's night ability, it may have been her.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 12, 2011, 11:24:27 PM
    No, I thought of another possibility but I need to say this now before someone hammers. Iced, if you're town, roleblock Dormio tonight. As long as you do that there should be no way Doll gets blocked.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 12, 2011, 11:59:13 PM
    I was gonna do Schezo or Edible tonight because we know Dormio's been doing useful things but if this will get you hunting real scum again sure.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 13, 2011, 12:03:25 AM
    I would personally prefer Schezo, but clearing my alignment might be useful as well.

    Frankly, I'm concerned Doll will simply forget about using the ability at all.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 13, 2011, 12:13:32 AM
    Don't give me nightmares Edible I'm being hopeful here.
    I wouldn't mind if Doll used the cop on either you or Schezo just so you can stop trying to lynch each other, but I've made my preference clear.
    Guitar Hero says my post will continue to be sleep deprived and cranky so I apologize in advance.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 13, 2011, 12:19:44 AM
    I would personally prefer Schezo, but clearing my alignment might be useful as well.

    Frankly, I'm concerned Doll will simply forget about using the ability at all.
    I don't believe even Dolls hits that level of incompetence.

    On the other hand I just realized annoucing my target is just as stupid as announcing dolls, since if said person gets night killed I look guilty as sin, so I'll pick randomly from between my three suspects and announce before Dolls (so no one can accuse me of just claiming off of Dolls choice).  That should clear 2 people.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 13, 2011, 12:39:45 AM
    Just waiting for Schezo now..
    Iced I should point out if you roleblock Edible scum can kill him, so that's probably out of the question.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Conqueror on March 13, 2011, 01:15:39 AM
    The only thing I can add is this roleclaim is a joke.  Look at the morning flavor, then back to Conqueror's posts.  DO you see a connection?  Cause I don't.  Oh and look, an excuse for not voting!  How handy to have in a role.

    Not to mention that huhwhat would have to figure out how all the night actions resolved, tell Conqueror the details in advance, then Conqueror would have time to think about what the flips ment before going on to the next day.  Do you see such thought reflected in his posts?

    I have a QT with the mod where we discuss writing the flavor. He gives me the relevant info for the next day (without revealing anything else) and I am free to fill in the blanks. I'll admit I didn't do much with it as it's mostly a "for fun" ability unless you have the time to write up something really nice.

    Are you seriously saying we need to lynch Conqueror TWICE because he can block it the first time? God I screwed up not lynching you yesterday. I've never seen Governor used, will it just stop the lynch and redistribute votes or does the person with second-most votes get lynched? If the answer is the first I'm ready to vote for him now and get that power overwith.

    I can't prevent my own lynch, that would be OP.  :ohdear:

    Shouldn't you be, you know, actually doing stuff if you're town and want to save yourself instead of lurking?
    Or are you going to continue to do that "I'll look at you later" thing?

    I can't hear you over the sound of the train. :V
    In all seriousness, I would type up a nice post-by-post analysis on why every last one of you is scum, but I currently lack the motivation to do so. The alternative lynches are Shadoweh (But who wouldn't think Hourai was scum, really?), Schezo (not really feeling it, even though he threw out a Hourai-level misrep yesterday), and Edible (who doesn't say much and is thus hard to analyze).

    Oh, and just for consistency's sake, because my case on you hasn't changed since last time.
    ##Vote:Dormio
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 13, 2011, 01:23:43 AM
    orz.
    My router got reset and I got disconnected from a game of DotS.
    Anyway.

    In all seriousness, I would type up a nice post-by-post analysis on why every last one of you is scum, but I currently lack the motivation to do so.
    Because if you're town and about to die, not leaving any information that could be used the next day is the best course of action, right?

    More DotS now, will make another post later provided Conqueror doesn't get hammered.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Conqueror on March 13, 2011, 01:54:08 AM
    Because if you're town and about to die, not leaving any information that could be used the next day is the best course of action, right?

    All of you have jumped on my wagon for the shoddiest of reasons. You don't even have one, but you're certainly not alone there by any means! Edible pushes me as the best bet without outright making a firm stance. Iced just writes me off as obvscum for some unknown reason that he never states. Doll...

    I'm pretty sure Schezo is one of the only people who has bothered to make a proper case on me, but I don't remember all that well.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 13, 2011, 02:03:37 AM
    Edible pushes me as the best bet without outright making a firm stance

    How's this for a stance?

    All day effects thus far have had something to do with their actual role.  Shadoweh claims to have seen yours as a Virus Outbreak, which gives everyone a post restriction, and we know there's a post restrictor in the game (or shadoweh was faking it, and if this is the case I will freakin' applaud her post-game).  Naturally, a virus outbreak and a governor don't have a lot in common.

    Therefore, either you are lying or she is.  Which means one of you is scum, barring the unlikely scenario in which you are lynched, flip town, and cause a post restriction the next day.  I like those odds.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Conqueror on March 13, 2011, 02:08:41 AM
    Well, Edible has satisfied me with his explanation, at least. The rest of you really haven't, but unfortunately there's not much time for that!

    ##Enable
    ##Vote:Conqueror


    Enjoy your post restrictions.  :V
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 13, 2011, 02:09:27 AM
    rofl

    Who's the other scum, then?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Conqueror on March 13, 2011, 02:11:13 AM
    Oh God this game was horrible.

    Who's the other scum, then?

    I don't know; I'm actually a Survivor type. I win if I get the most total votes in the game without dying.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: Edible on March 13, 2011, 02:11:41 AM
    Riiiight.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 13, 2011, 02:56:30 AM
    Hammer shut up.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 4
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 13, 2011, 05:29:32 AM
    (i apologize for the late and rushed update, was kind of busy and my internet is being slow and argh)

    What's with all the scum self-hammering in this game? It's like they want to give themselves up.

    Or... apparently Conqueror is a survivor and not scum, now? I would ask him for confirmation on this within the magical flavor-writing quicktopic, but unfortunately, that does not exist. Because Conqueror was actually playing Rule 1, Scum Restricting Rolecop, and he was lynched. Just now. His death activated the Virus Outbreak day effect.

    Just what we needed, more confusing viruses.

    Anyway.

    ..:::Night 4:::..
    .::Active Day Effects::.

    .::Upcoming Day Effects::.

    You have somewhere from 24 to 48 hours to send in your night actions.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 4
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 15, 2011, 09:58:58 PM
    (Again, apologies for the absense and generally rushed post, been having personal issues suddenly. This should hopefully remedy itself soon, not too sure though.)


    Lots of viruses going around these days, if the last two scum flips have been evident enough. Lots of posting restrictions going around, too. Hopefully this won't corrupt communication too much.

    Speaking of posting restrictions, I'm sure you all remember how Shadoweh was already plagued by one for the entirety of Day 2. Well, it seems that she won't have to worry about a second restriction after all, though perhaps not for the most pleasant reason.

    Shadoweh, playing Rule 4, Townie Effect Cop, has been killed overnight! Her death triggered the Shocking Revelation day effect.

    ..:::Day 5:::..
    .::Active Day Effects::.

    .::Upcoming Day Effects::.

    You have 72 hours to decide on who to kill. With five alive, it takes three to lynch.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 15, 2011, 10:09:13 PM
    Okay, so the current survivors are Iced Fairy (Tetris Block), Edible (Hammer Bro), Schezo (Riot Leader), DollS (???) and me.
    I know for a fact that those are Iced Fairy/Edible/Schezo's roles.
    Anyway, best timing to start the day, I need to head out to uni within the hour.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 15, 2011, 10:09:43 PM
    So I'll make a proper post when I get back from uni probably.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 15, 2011, 10:18:02 PM
    I was wrong.  Edible is not scum.  He didn't perform the night kill.

    Waiting for Doll's info before jumping out on any other limbs.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 15, 2011, 10:25:14 PM
    EBWoP:

    *Iced posts quickly to make sure he posts before Dolls like he promised he would.*

    *Iced stupidly forgets about posting restrictions.*

    *Iced panics, reads PM*

    *Failure to post correctly means I can't use my powers.*

    Joke's you you virus boy!  I don't have any usable powers left!

    Er but people who do should probably not repeat my mistake.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 15, 2011, 10:28:10 PM
    There are different punishments for breaking the restriction though.
    Either way, everyone should take care not to trigger any bad effects through it.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Edible on March 15, 2011, 10:28:47 PM
    ##vote Caedo
    ##unvote

    Let's see what your Day Effect is, eh?

    I was wrong.  Edible is not scum.  He didn't perform the night kill.

    Glad we have that cleared up.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 15, 2011, 10:31:29 PM
    Dormio's Day Effect is as follows:
    Quote
    Lockdown
    All day roles, both passive and active, will fizzle out until the day ends. Effects that carry over into the day phase will be temporarily ignored.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Edible on March 15, 2011, 10:34:35 PM
    Oh wait, that brings something else to the table.  Allow me to fully claim.

    I am a Hammer Bro.  I am bulletproof, but I am able to kill one person during the night; if I do this, I lose my shield.  I have killed no one this game.

    If 3-person LYLO does not lynch scum, I will kill them that night.  Since Iced Fairy just proved I'm town, and the winning condition of the game states that town wins when all threats to town are removed, town is basically guaranteed a win.

    Quasicollusive lockdown.  I imagine the game is only still continuing because there's the chance I might be lynched.

    Mod ninja: Speaking of lockdowns... man, does that sound like a roleblocker, or what?  Hi, third scum!
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 15, 2011, 10:42:49 PM
    Hm...  Kitten's cloud of darkness wasn't exactly pro town either, but the fizzling bit does sound like what I was getting.

    Still gonna wait on Dolls.  If he got fizzled, well....
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Schezo on March 15, 2011, 10:45:22 PM
    Cloud of Darkness was his death power, on one knows his in game power, right?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 15, 2011, 10:48:31 PM
    Yeah.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 15, 2011, 10:50:12 PM
    Okay, so I have 10 minutes before I have to go, so I'll make this quick.

    ##Vote Iced Fairy

    Why?
    It's pretty apparent that nobody here is being affected by Conqueror's posting restriction due to my lockdown (which I didn't know I had).
    I'm basing this off the fact that I was informed I didn't contract Conqueror's virus and that Schezo and Edible, in addition to Iced Fairy, are all talking normally.
    However, Iced Fairy claimed that he got hit by the posting restriction, broke it, and lost all his powers that he had already used up anyway.
    Doesn't this sound a little too convenient?
    Note that he made this claim before Edible voted me to find out that I had lockdown, which apparently completely disabled Conqueror's virus.

    Warning - while you were typing 2 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
    And I thought I wrote this fast.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Edible on March 15, 2011, 10:55:07 PM
    Hahaha.

    Dude, you're scum.  Give it up.  Your Day Effect only goes into action if you die.

    ##vote Caedo
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 15, 2011, 10:57:17 PM
    I'm not sure what exactly to say to that because it makes no sense.  Unless you're claiming you're already dead?

    I got a posting restriction along with your love letter last night.  The fact that it's garbage now (as opposed to before when it would have been crippling) is a pretty weak attack.  Especially when you claim magical immunity.

    ...

    Unless all the posting restrictions were designed to look dangerous but not be and this is all Conqueror trolling us from beyond the grave.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 15, 2011, 10:58:18 PM
    I will not give it up because I'm not scum.
    Anyway, leaving now, I'll be back in around 5~6 hours.
    If I'm lynched before then.... welp.

    Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
    I recieved no information about day abilities at all, I don't know how they work.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Schezo on March 15, 2011, 11:00:24 PM
    No there is a restriction.  I have a restriction and I can only post one word will two letters next to it, like letter, per post.

    But here now, why on earth would you not know about your day power?  That sounds like it's one shot by the was it says um, role activations go over to the next day, being temporarily ignored.  The only power throughout the game anyone has no known was their own death power and you want to come out and lie about how you don't know about it.  What else are you hiding, scumo?
    ##Vote:Caedo
    Or what Edible said about it going on when he dies.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 15, 2011, 11:05:57 PM
    We gonna wait for dolls here?  I mean scum is toast, and he can talk to us after death and all, but....
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Edible on March 15, 2011, 11:07:55 PM
    Yes, wait for Doll, at least.

    ##unvote

    Forgot it takes three to lynch.  In the offchance Caedo flips town, I'm not exactly worried as long as I'm not lynched tomorrow.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Edible on March 15, 2011, 11:15:44 PM
    Wait a minute.

    Caedo sends PMs, right?  How did he know my rolename again?

    Oh right.  This guy probably told him.

    Conqueror was actually playing Rule 1, Scum Restricting Rolecop,

    C'mon, man. <_<
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 16, 2011, 01:21:02 AM
    Okay, skipping lunch and camping the library in because this is bothering me.

    Edible: I know your role name because of the whole mixup with Bardiche.
    When you received Bard's PM I got a notification that my target was a Hammer Bro.
    At first I wasn't sure if that was you or Bard but it was kinda confirmed it's you when I Bard turned out to be a Remote Virus.

    Schezo: I honestly don't know much about my role.
    All I know is that I have those letters (which everyone here except DollS has received one of) and that cop investigations on me get screwed up.

    Anything about my day effect, why I didn't get sick etc. I don't know.

    So Edible, does this mean that your posts are restricted too?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 16, 2011, 01:49:58 AM
    Also, I was confused and rushed the post before I left.
    RE: Day effect.
    I got confused and thought you were talking about active effects like Pescar's link and Conqueror's enable thing, whatever that was.
    Which, if I have one, I don't know what it is.
    So none of you know your own day effect either, right?

    Anyway.
    I had thought that Edible and Schezo were unaffected by the posting restriction because their posts looked normal. Compound onto that how Iced Fairy pretty much broke his restriction immediately, that I didn't receive one, that apparently my day effect causes day effects to fizzle, and that I had very little time  I made the assumption that the power had been negated.
    Though in retrospect if my day ability had been triggered, it would have negated the vote investigation into my day effect and I'd still be oblivious to it. PARADOX.

    Also, at this rate it looks like I'm the primary lynch target for today.
    If you guys are about to hammer me, can you hold it off for a bit and let me make one final post before I die?
    Because I have a crackpot theory and if it turns out to be true I'm going to be laughing pretty hard.

    5 minutes until I'm kicked off the library computer.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 16, 2011, 01:53:32 AM
    If you guys are about to hammer me, can you hold it off for a bit and let me make one final post before I die?
    If/When you decide to hammer, that is.
    Anyway, I'm off to lectures. I'll be back in around 3 hours or thereabouts.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Edible on March 16, 2011, 02:08:25 AM
    So Edible, does this mean that your posts are restricted too?

    bzzt-click-whirrrrr I-Am-Not-Sure-What-You-Are-Talking-About bzzt-click-whirrrrr

    Because I have a crackpot theory and if it turns out to be true I'm going to be laughing pretty hard.

    I'm waiting for Doll to show up before anything else, really.  Feel free to present as many compelling arguments as you like; we have all day to do so.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Schezo on March 16, 2011, 02:15:10 AM
    Oh, and before someone glances at my 704 and throws a BF for me lying, I got warned for that word I spelled wrong and doubled up.  (I didn't even see that in my many rereads. >.<)
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 16, 2011, 04:44:27 AM
    Did you guys know edible is town?

    IF, Schezo and Dormio, are any of you guys scum?



    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 16, 2011, 05:10:26 AM
    Huh.  I was sure you'd check Schezo and we'd have 2 unknowns for 5 people.   Oh well.  With the Edible hammer that's mostly moot now.

    Well once again going back to yesterday's analysis, Schezo failed town with the Bardiche autopsy, and has been wasting a lot of time with this role madness analysis, but seems generally more town.  If nothing Bardiche was real keen to lynch him early, back when Bardiche had mostly towny cred except to Zak and I.  And I was keeping my mouth mostly shut about my gut feelings.

    Dormio on the other hand has been doing drive by votes.  Had a dustup with Conqueror, but only after Conq became everyone's second favorite lynch, and has just claimed magical immunity from scum deaths, and that cop checks on him fail.  Abilities that manifested on the day that there's a gamewide scum restriction and a single shot uber cop out there.  He was my number 2 choice yesterday, and with Edible DOUBLY innocent, he's moved to a solid number 1.

    ##Vote Dormio

    Next vote Hammers, so please make sure you've returned your tray tables to the upright position for a proper game ending.

    (Oh and for anyone wondering, my vote restriction was I had to do metagame terms in ALL CAPS.  I'm so glad violating it doesn't hurt me, because otherwise I'd have spent hours figuring out what was metagame and what wasn't in Huhwhat's eyes....)
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 16, 2011, 05:17:59 AM
    It doesn't matter who we lynch (Besides Edible) does it? IF Dormio is scum, we would win, wouldn't we? If he's town, we'll still win, wouldn't we?

    ##Vote: Dormio
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Edible on March 16, 2011, 05:20:30 AM
    So much for Caedo's last-minute theory, haha.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Edible on March 16, 2011, 05:22:59 AM
    Good thing huh what's not still here, so we can talk after the hammer.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 16, 2011, 05:30:02 AM
    Indeed.  Seriously Dolls.  Didn't this get you in trouble before?  Be glad this game is in the bag....
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Schezo on March 16, 2011, 05:32:45 AM
    Wasn't that meta game? :V

    I hope this is over, it's gone on forever.  I got tired when the imperishable night happened. >.>
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 16, 2011, 05:35:14 AM
    OBJECTION! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNRBdaDYCFs&p=D09D4B2960DD7323&playnext=1&index=6) Edible should read his hammer harder.

    Quote
    10. The day ends once I post the flavor. There is no such thing as twilight in my realm, so if I'm late, consider it an extension. The only exception is if there is a hammer, in which case speaking is forbidden until I post the update.

    ...Why are all your restrictions so much nicer then mine? :< BAH!
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Schezo on March 16, 2011, 05:37:00 AM
    The dead started talking... This games over right?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Edible on March 16, 2011, 05:37:15 AM
    Given you're posting, I imagine that the game's over anyway.

    :smug:
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: Serela on March 16, 2011, 05:41:42 AM
    dead people should stop posting `-`

    oh right bah posts

    WHATEVER, CONFUSNG SITUATION ;_;
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 16, 2011, 05:42:17 AM
    Hammer shut up
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 5
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 16, 2011, 05:46:22 AM
    Well, that was certainly a fast day. Let's see if the rash decisions paid off.

    ...

    Unfortunately, Dormio was only Rule 13, Town Blackmailer. His death triggered the Lockdown day effect, of course.


    ..:::Night 5:::..
    .::Active Day Effects::.

    .::Upcoming Day Effects::.

    You have somewhere from 24 to 48 hours to send in your night actions.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 5
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 16, 2011, 06:39:54 AM
    Jerk DollS, disconnecting from DotS just to hammer me.
    Anyway.
    If you are not scum I will eat my hat.
    I will hold you to this.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 4
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 17, 2011, 07:58:09 PM
    Doll.S, playing Rule 2, Townie Asteroids Monster, has been split into two overnight! His death did not trigger a day effect, however, he would have continued to vote among us today had it not been for Lockdown's effect.

    That said, this is the final day, so please do your best. I would post a really fitting motivational speech, but I don't think this game actually has much of a proper storyline.

    ..:::Day 6:::..
    .::Active Day Effects::.

    You have 72 hours to decide on who to kill. With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Night 4
    Post by: Edible on March 17, 2011, 08:44:48 PM
    Doll.S, playing Rule 2, Townie Asteroids Monster, has been split into two overnight! His death did not trigger a day effect, however, he would have continued to vote among us today had it not been for Lockdown's effect.

    Good riddance.  And Lockdown was actually beneficial!

    Hooray, no more posting restriction.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Edible on March 17, 2011, 08:47:56 PM
    I predict Iced Fairy and Schezo will vote each other, so I will preemptively ask each to write up two statements, with evidence:

    1) Why the other is scum

    2) Why they're not

    I'll do my own research afterwards, but it's so obviously Schezo I almost don't even care.  Or do I?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Edible on March 17, 2011, 08:49:12 PM
    EBWOP:

    Replace "afterwards" with "while I wait" in that sentence.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 17, 2011, 08:49:33 PM
    Sigh, and I was going to try to make a good case after my huge blunder....

    Well, I really hope this doesn't become another mafia victory something times in a row....

    I can still normal-after-death-one-post right?  If not delete this post.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Schezo on March 17, 2011, 09:14:57 PM
    This may change what I've got written but Iced Fairy, Could you please tell me exactly how your investigation worked, what happened and what kind of a town clear did you get from Edible?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 17, 2011, 09:35:42 PM
    To humor you: I did a roleblock on Edible that should have prevented the nightkill and told me that he had performed it.  Since Shadoweh died that means Edible could not have performed the nightkill.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Schezo on March 17, 2011, 09:42:51 PM
    ...

    ...

    ...God Dammit.

    Now I have to be conspiracy theorist on how Edible could have negated your powers but I don't have time to edit and make a better post right now.  I need to re read this game again to see if it changes things I've written that drastically. 
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Edible on March 17, 2011, 09:59:45 PM
    Hey, IF.

    What's your win condition?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 17, 2011, 10:07:37 PM
    ##Vote Schezo

    Why Schezo is scum:
    Well because Edible isn't (as proven by me and Dolls) and I'm not (because I know I'm not).  Sadly that's not the finest of reasonings.

    Looking at your earlier posting, there's a big gap in anything of worth.  Day 1 is it's usual mess, but then you swapped to PX because he annoyed you?  What kinda reasoning is that.  Going back to Day 2 we have you jumping on a Shadoweh lynch for testing the anon vote system, then jumping to the easy mode Dolls wagon.

    Day 3 was spent attacking Hourai because of an autopsy you performed with a side jab at Edible and an attack at Conqueror.  It was interesting in fact, there's a long post about Conqueror being lurkscum, then voting Hourai for... not lynching you?  Really your case on Hourai makes no sense.  There was a case there, but you weren't advocating it.  You were muddying the waters.  Especially by bringing up roles again.  Those have only brought town sorrow this game (barring Shadoweh's one cop shot and Edible's bulletproof).

    I was confused by the whole annoyance over the failed autopsy, (for which I congratulate you Schezo), but I noticed something from the day after Hourai's lynch.  You jumped at every single theory.  You expressed support for almost every case made that day before Shadoweh pulled out her cop card on Conqueror.  Including a rather rediculous shot at Shadoweh.

    Finally your last day starts by ignoring that both Dolls and I have both cleared Edible and trying to set up a town one on one to slip past final days vote.  Not to mention getting the bulletproof guy lynched.  Yeah, real good town move there.

    In short you did a perfect job appearing as emotionally based derp town to my eyes.  It seems I have a lot to learn though, because in the end your play always seemed to tip the balance in scum's favor.

    2) I stand by my posting.  I've made mistakes here and there by assuming things, but when logic proved me right or wrong I acted in towns best interests.  I've tried to clear up stupid mistakes instead of perpetuating them, and have avoided bad assumptions when I can.  I regret the Pesco and Hourai messes, but honestly they played anti town then refused to do anything of value afterwards.  I can't magically prove I'm town sadly, but I think my actions compared to Schezo's show the truth.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 17, 2011, 10:19:45 PM
    Hey, IF.

    What's your win condition?
    I win when threats to town = 0.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Schezo on March 17, 2011, 10:22:44 PM
    Well then. I won't get my post off for quite a few hours because I'm currently on my phone and I'm damn sure as not going to make a LYLO case via phone.

    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Edible on March 17, 2011, 10:40:01 PM
    I win when threats to town = 0.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

    Schezo, what's yours?  I need to confirm something.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Schezo on March 17, 2011, 10:51:07 PM
    Yeah when all threats to townies are eraticated I win.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 17, 2011, 10:58:47 PM
    ##Unvote Schezo

    ....

    Oh man, don't tell me I'm the last townie alive and this is just SK vs scum.

    brb going to read old games to see if Dolls just messed up.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Edible on March 17, 2011, 11:08:25 PM
    Good enough.

    Well, whatever.  Here's how this is going to go down.

    An open letter to scum:

    Schezo is gonna post his anti-IF spiel, and then I get to spend all day rereading both of you at my leisure.  I'll check every post you've made and will determine which of you is scum after much contemplation and study.  I'll ask all sorts of fun questions.  This will take all of our 72-minus-however-long-we've-spent-so-far hours and I'll vote within minutes of the deadline.

    As you know from trying to kill me already, I'm bulletproof.  I also, as previously stated, have one bullet in the chamber which I will use - on you - tonight in the unlikely (but possible) event that I mislynch.  I know for a fact there's at least one other protective role in the game, but whether it's town or scum I can't be sure.  I know this because my bullet is a Hammer, and that hammer will break all shields on its way to your head (which is why it also causes my shield to break).  So don't assume, should you be the other bulletproof one floating around, that you will survive.

    Killing the final scum will activate my win condition.  I'm also aware that you'll also kill me - a double KO.  And if your win condition is "kill all dem townies," then we've both won.  Hooray!

    So I'll offer you a deal.  I'm already guaranteed a win in this game, but it'll be a win-win (literally) if I mislynch.  So here's what I propose: Admit you're scum today, and I'll help you lynch the other townie.  Then I'll shoot you, you'll shoot me, and everybody wins.  If you don't come forward, I'll just do it the hard way and probably lynch you anyway, but it'll be days before we get to that point.  In essence, I'm trading a town-only victory for not having to waste my time playing mafia on a weekend.  If you feel the same way, my terms are mutually beneficial.  And as the other townie currently alive can agree, nowhere in our win condition does it state that any town has to be alive at the end of the game.

    Ball's in your court.  Until it is, I'll be reading your posts.  Veeery slowly.

    @IF: If I was an SK or scum, I would have voted Schezo right after you did.  Cut me some slack already.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 17, 2011, 11:32:43 PM
    Heh.

    Ahahahaha.

    Amusing.  Poor, Schezo.  There was no way for you to win.  Edible, I thought you looked third party yesterday when you moved to rush lynch Dormio over that stupid death ability.  It just served my purposes at the time.

    However I'm fine with a win win.  I'm decently certain you'll betray me of course, but I'd rather end this game with a bang then a whimper.  And you might be telling the truth, I admit to having a difficult time reading your play style.

    Which is why I'm going to
    ##Vote Edible

    I'm not sure which one of us you dislike more for the tricks we've given you this game Schezo, but I figure I'll leave the option for you to pick the winner open if Edible doesn't keep his promises.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Edible on March 17, 2011, 11:38:38 PM
    Man, you fell for that?  Idiot.  I'm confirmed town.  I just wanted a confession.

    ##vote Iced Fairy
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Schezo on March 17, 2011, 11:40:10 PM
    ##Vote:Iced Fairy

    Good game
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Conqueror on March 17, 2011, 11:41:37 PM
    Well, we win! Good job Edible!  :V
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 17, 2011, 11:42:10 PM
    Suspenseful bah post go!
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 17, 2011, 11:42:14 PM
    town wins
    scum loses
    everybody sighs

    not feeling like making a serious ending post after the way the last two days turned out, though i supposed the screwery this game was just as much my fault as everybody else's.

    set-up + comments on it coming eventually
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Edible on March 17, 2011, 11:42:30 PM
    8)
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 17, 2011, 11:43:13 PM
    Eatable ilu mans
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 17, 2011, 11:43:24 PM
    Edible: You don't win though. You failed your SK wincon.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 17, 2011, 11:43:48 PM
    Good game all.
    But man.
    Wow.
    D5: 7 hours.
    D6: 2.75 hours.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Serela on March 17, 2011, 11:44:03 PM
    graveyard http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/mfSViZcHfriiu
    scum http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/9qxKHugPL3NkN
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 6
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 17, 2011, 11:44:19 PM
    Cut by game end.

    Darn.  Knew I should have typed up that post before.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 17, 2011, 11:44:56 PM
    And yeah, I figured Edible for SK, I was hoping Schezo might see it too.

    Edit: And hoping that he'd be more angry at Edible's play then mine.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 17, 2011, 11:45:12 PM
    Quote
    Oh hey oh hey! Since Dormio is dead, night can finally just last 24 hours, right? Which means there's not a whole lot of it left!
    Screw you.
    It was only once damn it!
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Serela on March 17, 2011, 11:45:39 PM
    Edible isn't ACTUALLY an SK Iced ;P

    ninja:I THOUGHT YOU WERE ALL OF THE TIMES ;_;
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 17, 2011, 11:46:51 PM
    Yes he is. He was a SK who failed to kill every night.

    N1: Target Edible
    N2: Target Edible
    N3: Target Edible
    N4: Target Edible
    N5: Target Edible

    True facts.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Kips McKipzerson on March 17, 2011, 11:47:19 PM
    Well that was a fun game to watch.
    But then again the mob would'va won if I joined in the first place :V
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Schezo on March 17, 2011, 11:47:44 PM
    I was on the fence when this day started even with him "confirmed" because I didn't believe his outrageous play and with iced saying he confirmed town...  but after all the bullshit iced said about me. Lol die scum.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: PX on March 17, 2011, 11:48:31 PM
    DAMN YOU! You ruined my victory condition of getting every person on my wagon dead. I hate you all. Now....

    Quote
    Quick post to say that I hope every single one of you on the PX wagon feels shame and disgust  for even considering your vote, and I hope you all hang.  A post-game discussion on what consists of a good D1 lynch and what doesn't is in order.

    Waiting for this
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 17, 2011, 11:49:05 PM
    Eh.

    Honestly I didn't want to drag the game out over 72 hours more.  I figured I'd toss out the gambit just because I wanted to get back to other things.  Also because I thought I had a chance of it working.

    I'll plot more time for mafia when I get around to it again.  This chewed up far more time then I was expecting it to.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Serela on March 17, 2011, 11:49:20 PM
    I was on the fence when this day started even with him "confirmed" because I didn't believe his outrageous play and with iced saying he confirmed town...  but after all the bullshit iced said about me. Lol die scum.
    and uh dolls who had the fullcop saying Edible was town, too ):
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Conqueror on March 17, 2011, 11:50:00 PM
    Good first game though Iced. You should feel proud of your play considering what we left you with.  :V
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 17, 2011, 11:51:15 PM
    Am I the only one that read the previous days? :<
    Now to go see how much of the scum topic is DAMNIT SHADOWEH!
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 17, 2011, 11:52:40 PM
    Well I read the previous days.  But not for any good reasons.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Schezo on March 17, 2011, 11:53:11 PM
    Yeah but the main point I didn't start on iced when the finale began was people dropping and I didn't have day 1 from him to work off of and Edible was not protown with how he was playing. My case on him would be he keeps pushing he is town.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 17, 2011, 11:55:15 PM
    That's why I thought he was 3rd Party.  He was so GOOD at being anti town.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 18, 2011, 12:00:07 AM
    Schezo can confirm I thought Edible was third party in the PM I sent him. Edible's playstyle:  :yukkuri:
    Day 4 with 7 people and no MYLO ruled that out.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 18, 2011, 12:01:01 AM
    I feel so discouraged from playing mafia again with how I played here.....but I guess I'll keep trying, even though I'll probably lynched on D1 for my uselessness now in future games...maybe >_>
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Conqueror on March 18, 2011, 12:02:05 AM
    Wow, if I had killed Doll N3 like I first planned, Edible would have killed off Shadoweh. >>
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Edible on March 18, 2011, 12:03:56 AM
    Wow, if I had killed Doll N3 like I first planned, Edible would have killed off Shadoweh. >>

    Yeah, haha.  I had convinced myself that she was Schezo's scumbuddy at that point.  Silly me!
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 18, 2011, 12:05:44 AM
    Yeah.  Not killing Dolls was a mistake.  Though to be fair, neither of us guessed the bulletproof.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 18, 2011, 12:07:06 AM
    Quote
    It's a shame Hourai can't summon Captain Planet.
    Is this good? :V
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Thata no Guykoro on March 18, 2011, 12:07:56 AM
    Well that was fun to watch with the benefit of knowledge :V
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 18, 2011, 12:08:55 AM
    Hey Edible, when I cop checked you, it says that yours only a one-shot for either bulletproof or vig, did you really get targeted for NK on the night we didn't have anybody die?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Edible on March 18, 2011, 12:10:09 AM
    Hey Edible, when I cop checked you, it says that yours only a one-shot for either bulletproof or vig, did you really get targeted for NK on the night we didn't have anybody die?

    I really got targeted.  I was bluffing about my role.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 18, 2011, 12:13:13 AM
    Working on a set-up reveal post right now with modnotes and comments, so you all have that to look forward to. Maybe now it will be evident what went on this game.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Edible on March 18, 2011, 12:19:41 AM
    Also, I should probably throw this out for the record - if my "schezo is so obviously scum" comment wasn't dripping with sarcasm enough, I had a pretty good bead on IF.  It just wasn't nearly enough to justify a quicklynch; he did really well as scum, I thought.  Schezo had derptown written all over him (which I did eventually notice after my blind seething rage at pitting his mod PM versus what he actually told us cooled off).

    Have I mentioned shadoweh is town MVP?  Because shadoweh is town MVP.  Feel free to lambast me for anti-town play, because it's mostly true.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 18, 2011, 12:21:26 AM
    What does MVP mean?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Conqueror on March 18, 2011, 12:23:00 AM
    Most Valuable Player.

    And I think most of us would second that.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 18, 2011, 12:23:21 AM
    I think Shadoweh and Iced Fairy were both the MVPs of their respective alignments, though Zak gets a major HM town-wise for catching both Bard and Conq on D2 without shenanigans, shame everybody ignored him. Shadoweh was pretty much played leader all game and I personally thought she looked incredibly obvtown, not to mention how well she nailed Iced Fairy on D4. Iced Fairy did an excellent job of picking up the scum team after Bardiche died, and his posts were fairly impressive and blended in with the rest of the town quite well.

    Pretty neat, considering both were newbies.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Edible on March 18, 2011, 12:23:34 AM
    Most Valuable Player.

    It's rare to play a game where both town and scum MVP are obvious, but I feel that Shadoweh and IF, both totally new players, earned these accolades easily.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 18, 2011, 12:26:49 AM
    Also, I should probably throw this out for the record - if my "schezo is so obviously scum" comment wasn't dripping with sarcasm enough, I had a pretty good bead on IF.
    That makes me feel somewhat better.  I figured you suspected me (because I was guilty as sin and two people had figured it out).  So thus my only way to win at that point was to convince him to lynch you.  Somehow.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Edible on March 18, 2011, 12:29:29 AM
    I wasn't kidding about not wanting to play mafia over the weekend though!
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 18, 2011, 12:32:34 AM
    You guys.  :blush: I'm most proud of realizing my role was a weird reverse rolecop, realizing I can catch the post restrictor with it, and immediately identifying who the post restrictor is and checking them. Die Conqueror Die!
    I am so sorry to huh what and anyone who checked post #301 to see if I broke it.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 18, 2011, 12:38:24 AM
    I'm most proud of living past day 5.  Seriously Conqueror basically gave away that I was scum in his death speeches, and Shadoweh had me pegged, even if some of her reasoning was off.  Not to mention by that point anyone counting the actions per night and roles would have confirmed I had to be lying.

    And yeah Shadoweh we scum regreted not killing you on night 3.  And not just because of Edibles bulletproof.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 18, 2011, 12:49:13 AM
    tl;dr warning

    My general thought was that scum was not given much to work with in this set-up, what with the Remote Virus generally working against them once town pieced the puzzle together, and the rest of their effects being somewhat lackluster. I attempted to make up for this making a lot of town roles be traps that appeared effective but had issues that were more likely to harm town than scum. Even then, it seems that it turned out rather biased against the scum team in the end, though the difference in power levels wasn't exactly gigantic.

    I also personally do not think that playing the set-up was very efficient this game due to all the modscrewery (and this should have been extremely evident after Hourai's flip), but apparently the players did not agree? :s

    That said, apologies for all the screw-ups on my part regarding the role PMs (I think Schezo and Pesco suffered the most from them). There were seriously a couple of instances where I had  thought I had mentioned something in the PM, only to go back and check after sending it and realize it wasn't there. I'm not sure how all this happened considering that I wrote up everything several days in advance (and rough drafts months ago), but I will most certainly try to be more thorough if I host again in the future, since I believe mod miscommunication was one of the worst parts of this game.

    .::Town::.
    -Kitten4u-
    You are Rule 5, Townie Shade.Your abilities are as follows:
    • You are fully aware of the schedule for the game's day and night phases, and ready to use this to your advantage. During the night phase, you may blend into the shadows and stalk another player, learning who your target used their night role on that phase, if applicable. If your target did not leave their house, you will startle them, preventing them from using their role during the following day phase and the next night phase.
    You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Best of luck!
    This was probably town's best role, as tracking would have been incredibly useful this game with both the twist and a restrictor lying around.
    Except then it died N1 and resulted in what was possible the worst day effect combination for town. :V Even if Shadoweh made the most out of it in the end.

    Aside from that, K4U's role was intended to be the only reliable informative role in the game - Shadoweh's and Dormio's were not particularily useful for determining the alignment of any player other than the Conqueror/Restricting Rolecop (which was intentional). The only downside was that its secondary effect was more likely to screw over a town PR than a scum PR.

    Also, I totally did not expect town to handle K4U's day effect the way they did. I was expecting them to use evicts and only cast votes around deadline, although it seems that the townie riot skewed the turn-out of everything.

    -Hanged Hourai-
    You are Rule 8, Townie Magical Barrier.Your abilities are as follows:
    • Being an embodiment of No Lynches, you are adequately prepared to protect townies from harm. During the night phase, you may PM me the command ##Guard (Player Name), and the player you chose will be immune to all harmful actions that night, nightkills included.
    • However, your ability is not without its limits. If you succesfully protect your target from any type of harmful action, you will be informed that you will need to spend the following night recharging. During said night, you will be incapable of using your role.
    You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Best of luck!
    Quote from: List of Blockable Actions
    • Nightkill (Scum)
    • Hammer Vig (Hammer Bro)
    • Stalk (Shade) <- blocked even if the roleblocking doesn't take effect
    • Blackmail (Dormio) <- not actually harmful, but considered so due to flavor reasons
    • Restrict (Restricting Rolecop)
    • All Tetris Block Effects (Tetris Block)
    Pretty much a trap role despite being a doc, on the grounds that he could potentially screw up an investigation and be forced to recharge on the same night. Not to mention his inability to block Twist. He did, however, have the boon of being able to stop the posting restrictions and voteblocks (the latter of which he caught N1), which were scum's best ways of messing with town early on.

    His day effect was specifically given to him so that players could not rely on the doc to have the player with the fullcop survive, essentially making the voted player major scum target and rendering the day effect useless (the actual hope was that Hourai's day effect would be triggered early on, meaning that the ##Promote wagon could be analyzed if the chosen player flipped). Except I did not think this through completely, so the day effect ended up a bit overpowered lategame with both the Asteroids Monster and Hammer Bro running around. Probably would have went back and nerfed it if I could have. Quite frankly, I'm surprised nobody bitched about it.

    -Schezo-
    You are Rule 6, Townie Riot Leader.Your abilities are as follows:
    • As it turns out, the town can be a very angry bunch, stopping at nothing to settle their thirst for the blood of scum. Who better to know this but the rule dictating the lynch mechanics? During the night phase, you may choose to rally the town up by PMing me the command ##Start Mob, and as a result, the top two voted-for players will be lynched instead of only the player with the most votes during the following day phase. This only works once in the game, and is considered a day effect.
    • Your benifits of your control over lynchings does not stop there, however. Once in the game, you may send me the command ##Lookup (Day Number), and you will proceed to graverob the player who was lynched that day and learn the full information of their role. If multiple players were lynched that day, you will need to specify one. This will obviously fail if no players were lynched on that day, not that I have any idea why you would waste your ability like that!
    You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Best of luck!
    Quote from: Schezo's Day Effect
    Kingmaker
    Players will vote to elect a player who chooses the day's lynch, rather than going by the typical voting process. The elected player will receive a special benifit for their role, regardless of their alignment.

    MOD NOTE: The "special benifit" is the addition of with BENIFITS! to the end of the chosen player's role name. Pointless bastardry!
    Shame on you all for not lynching Schezo D2, I really hoped his day effect would come into play. Like Hourai's, it mainly existed to help analysis some time in the future in case the kings flipped, due to the promised role augmentation. Except said role augmentation didn't matter anyway and was only there to make kingvotes less of a null tell. :V

    ... I honestly don't have much to say about this role aside from that aside from apologies to the player who rolled it, which I think I already covered earlier.

    -Doll.S-
    You are Rule 2, Townie Asteroids Monster.
    Your abilities are as follows:
    • You are a rather tricky one, and may manipulate the circumstances around your death to avoid the rule you're based on. After your death, you may PM me and choose to either be given voting abilities (but not speech) during the closest day phase, or be given speech during the closest night phase. Note that if you choose to gain voting abilities after dying overnight, your ability will take effect immediately, and likewise if you choose to gain speech after dying through lynch.
    • Currently unbeknownst to most of the players is the fact that whenever a player dies in this game, a special effect will be added to the day phase following their death. However, being able to technically live on past your death is enough of a game alteration, so you are currently mod-guaranteed to not trigger any Day Effects after you die. For now, anyway.
    You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Best of luck!
    Not much to say about this, either - it was mainly just a filler role intended to potentially give Bard a night discussion partner if the townie who rolled it died (which didn't work out, like half of the things I hoped for this game). It was also the only role I would consider to be completely free from bastardry, with no traps whatsoever, no day effect trigger, no need to worry about Twist screwing it up and the added bonus of pre-game knowledge about the set-up's main gimmick. Shame it essentially ended up being a Vanilla role as far as the game's outcome was concerned.

    -PX-
    You are Rule 11, Townie Waffle Buster.
    Your abilities are as follows:
    • Being the authority on how players vote rule-wise, you hate to see these votes go to waste. If the town is ever waffling between two lynch targets and appears to be stuck in a tie, you may PM me the command ##Bust (Player Name), and that player will gain an anonymous half-vote, breaking any ties they are involved in. You may change what player your half-vote is on at any time by PMing me.
    • Additionally, you are so dedicated to your role of breaking ties that nobody can stop you! Any roles attempting to block you will fizzle out.
    You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Best of luck!
    I liked this role's name a lot. That's really all I think there is to say on the matter, though.
    It should be noted that the Waffle Buster was immune to all types of blocking, including the voteblock and infoblock, which is another part of this set-up that I think was might have been a bit biased against scum.

    Oh! Also, Bust would have worked during the day effects of Hourai and Schezo too (had a player with the waffle been alive, I would have informed them as the day began).

    -Dormio-
    You are Rule 12, Townie Blackmailer.
    Your abilities are as follows:
    • While the motive for your existance as a rule might sound pleasant, you have some rather shadowy hidden depths, as evidenced by that last sentence right there. During the night phase, you may PM me a 125-word or less threatening message to send to a player of your choice, and if it is adequately threatening (I will tell you if it isn't), you will be informed of the name of their role the following morning.
    • Your rather corrupt methods make you a Miller. You will scan as guilty to sane cops, and town to insane cops.
    You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Best of luck!
    The inclusion of the Miller ability was another case of pointless bastardry, seeing as there were no ordinary cops in the set-up whatsoever. I only added it to the role to keep the Blackmailer on their toes.

    I'm a little curious why Dormio was not considered to be cleared in LYLO, actually. As a namecop, he was pretty much worthless aside from being able to maybe possibly check for fakeclaims and also catch the Restricting Rolecop, with his real intended power being the ability to clear himself should he reach a point in the game where only one scum was alive. Except nobody picked up on how he couldn't have blackmailed Iced Fairy and nightkilled in the same night, even though Iced Fairy confirmed receiving the message. Why did this happen? :s

    -Shadoweh-
    You are Rule 4, Townie Effect Cop.
    Your abilities are as follows:
    • Having checked the edit history of the wordpad file (yeah, I don't use notepad for this, sue me) in which the information on this game's set-up has been kept, you are aware of something the mod DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW: whenever a player dies in this game, a special effect will be added to the day phase following their death. This may become more evident to the rest of the town over time, but for now, you have the privalege of knowing this game's major gimmick before it comes into play. Aren't you special?
    • Beyond this extra information, you have a night action as well. Ever night, you may target another player, learning the day effect triggered by their death. You may of course choose to check yourself for day effects as well.
    You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Best of luck!
    I liked this role PM. Shadoweh had a fairly sane role with a decently useful ability, and there is very little to say aside from this.

    -Edible-
    You are Rule 10, Townie Hammer Bro.
    Your abilities are as follows:
    • As a rule partially revolving around hammers, you are rather proficient with them. As a result, you may go to another player's house during the night phase and proceed to bash their skull in, killing them. Unfortunately, your hammer is prone to breaking, so using this ability will cause you to lose both of your abillities.
    • Your hammer is useful for more than just murdering people. If you are attacked overnight, you will automatically fight off your attacker and live to see the next day. However, this will result in your hammer breaking, causing you to lose both of your abilities.
    You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Best of luck!
    Quote from: Edible's Day Effect
    Autobalance
    If it is currently impossible for town to reach 3P lylo barring a day or night with no deaths, the living player who has accumulated the least votes over the course of the game will be given a compulsory one-shot nightvig.
    In hindsight, this role was overpowered. I created with the intention that the player would get into a slight claim conflict with the other protective town role (Hourai's Magical Barrier) or the other town killing role (Schezo's Riot Leading), but that did not work out very well due to the difference in nature of the two abilities. Furthermore, it gave players an extra option on how to abuse Hourai's day effect and was possibly a bit too good for fearmongering (which Edible took advantage of). If I could go back, I think I would try to find a way to slightly weaken its bulletproof somehow, or just scrap it all together.

    -Pesco-
    You are the Addendum, Townie Chattering Bird.
    Your abilities are as follows:
    • In correlation with the rule (or rather, addendum of a rule) you are, you love talking to people! In fact, you love chatting so much that your entire role revolves around speaking with others. During the night phase, you may choose another player to link yourself to. You will then be allowed to talk to that player outside the game thread in a quick topic that I will link you and your target to. This will last until your target dies, at which point you will be allowed to target somebody else. It is entirely possible for you to strike up a conversation with scum, so be careful.
    • Your linking methods have a side effect as well. The player you are currently able to talk with will become tied to you, and any non-killing actions that target one of you will target the other as well, so keep that in mind.
    You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Best of luck!
    Probably caused the biggest mod screw-ups this game. I personally liked the idea behind this role, but I did a horrible, horrible job writing up the role PM and even forgot to mention some things that I was sure I had already mentioned earlier on. Also sadface at the lack of a chained posting restriction or voteblock, that would have been hilarious.

    I also didn't expect any townies to take advantage of its day effect so well. I think this is another reason why Shadoweh deserves MVP.

    -Zakeri-
    You are Rule 7, Townie Ranting Doublevoter.
    Your abilities are as follows:
    • You despise No Lynches and lynch ties, having seen scum slip out of your grip too many times due to them. As a result, you are doing all you can to prevent any from happening this game, in the form of a double vote. To properly use this double vote, the entire post containing your vote must be a rant condemning lynch ties and especially no lynches. It is required to be at least 100 words long, and each paragraph must involve some sort of non-game related attack on lynch ties and no lynches. (By non-game related, I mean that the insults and/or complaints must have nothing to do with the game at hand. Ridiculous past accounts that probably never actually happened are recommended. Basically, the more hammy and overall ridiculous your post is, the better.)
    • If you're not sure if a post would succesfully count as a double vote, feel free to PM it to me ahead of time and I'll give you an answer. If no attempt at a rant is made, then your vote will of course only count as one.
    You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Best of luck!
    Another role that I'm sad never fully saw the light of day. While it sounded like a gag at first, it actually had a fair amount of uses due to the amount of vote-related day effects, such as Kingmaker, Blessing and Town Riot. I think it would have been especially valuable in the latter of the three had Zak been around before deadline to use it, but alas, people let Bard self-hammer.


    Scum info will come eventually~
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Endgame, Town Win
    Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 18, 2011, 01:03:51 AM
    I still find it ironic that basically the only thing the doc couldn't protect against was the virus.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Endgame, Town Win
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 18, 2011, 01:05:31 AM
    Dear lord.  We went into that game screwed.

    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Endgame, Town Win
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 18, 2011, 01:10:02 AM
    You weren't a doctor, Hourai, you were a ~magical barrier~! It's different.

    .::Scum::.
    -Polaris, and later Iced Fairy-
    You are Rule 9, Scum Tetris Block.
    Your abilities are as follows:
    • You are a member of the scum team! Your allies consist of Conqueror, playing Rule 1, Scum Restricting Rolecop, and Bardiche, playing Rule 3, Scum Remote Virus. You may talk to them at any time in this quicktopic. (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/9qxKHugPL3NkN) Naturally, you may also choose to execute the scum nightkill and take out a player of your choice if none of your buddies are already doing so.
    • It's only natural that you'd be scum, being a rule allowing mafia to trick innocent townies into thinking that their doctor was succesful. You have a fair amount of tricks up your sleeve that you have previously devised when coming up with methods to fake a lack of nightkills, and you may use them against the town. However, each of your night actions will only work once, so use them wisely.
    • Your first night action is a standard roleblock. Your target will fail to use their role overnight. This affects some passive roles as well.
    • Your second night action is a voteblock. Your target will fail to vote the following day. They will not be informed that they were voteblocked. This ability does not work in LYLO.
    • Your third night action is an information corruptor. Any informative roles that attempt to learn about your target will fizzle out.
    • Your fourth night action is a wildcard. You may use it to re-use any one of your other night actions.
    You win when the number of scum is greater than or equal to the number of remaining townies. Best of luck!
    Generic scum jack, except all his abilities were based on blocking. See, it's clever because he's named Tetris Block and could roleblock ~four times~!

    Seriously though, I really really wanted to see somebody pull a voteblock off here, since that role seems to be really underused around these parts for some reason.

    It should also be noted that I have never seen an information corruptor used in a set-up before, which made it seem odd to me when everybody just let Iced Fairy's mentions of "herp derp info blocker" fly. I guess there's something I'm not aware of here? :s

    -Conqueror-
    You are Rule 1, Scum Restricting Rolecop.
    Your abilities are as follows:
    • You are a member of the scum team! Your allies consist of Polaris, playing Rule 9, Scum Tetris Block, and Bardiche, playing Rule 3, Scum Remote Virus. You may talk to them at any time in this quicktopic. (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/9qxKHugPL3NkN) Naturally, you may also choose to execute the scum nightkill and take out a player of your choice if none of your buddies are already doing so.
    • By abusing loopholes in the rule you represent, you may have the mod give another player a posting restriction to follow during the following day through the night action command ##Bind (Player Name). This restriction will wear off after a day. Your target will be informed that something beneficial to scum will happen if they fail to abide by it, though it will be guaranteed that it is not a modkill.
    • You are expected to fully detail the restriction you want to assign your target to do when PMing me your night action, because I am not going to make these things up for you. The only restrictions are that it must not interfere with the way the player uses their role/vote or make it impossible for them to properly and/or truthfully communicate their thoughts. As an example, "quote the song "Let's Get It On" by Marvin Gaye in every paragraph you post in-thread" would be an acceptable restriction to assign to a player. "Only use the words "herp" and "derp" when posting" would not.
    • To make your ability a little more rewarding, if your target breaks their posting restriction, not only will they be roleblocked during the following nightphase, but you will be given full information regarding their role. This includes any mod-notes related to it.
    You win when the number of scum is greater than or equal to the number of remaining townies. Best of luck!
    Ohhh boy. I personally love posting restrictions, so this was fun to come up with. The role name and day effect were deliberately chosen so that the two non-tracker informative roles could actually potentially catch scum without the dumb luck of nabbing them on a fakeclaim. It was a bit misleading, however, since the role wasn't a rolecop in the strictest sense.

    If anybody had broken their day effect posting restriction, they would have lost their ability to speak alongside the typical effects from posting restrictions in this game (they'd retain their voting abilities, though). This could have actually caught Iced Fairy in a lie had anybody bothered to check and attempt to validate his claim.

    -Bardiche-
    You are Rule 3, Scum Remote Virus
    Your abilities are as follows:
    • You are a member of the scum team! Your allies consist of Polaris, playing Rule 9, Scum Tetris Block, and Conqueror, playing Rule 1, Scum Restricting Rolecop. You may talk to them at any time in this quicktopic. (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/9qxKHugPL3NkN) Naturally, you may also choose to execute the scum nightkill and take out a player of your choice if none of your buddies are already doing so.
    • Being the no-good scum you are, you may break the latter half of the rule you represent and speak your thoughts during the night phase! Which... doesn't actually have much of an effect beyond potentially furthering your scummy agenda if you're convincing enough. Luckily, this is not the only trick you have up your sleeve.
    • If out-of-thread contact was not actually banned, it would soon create chaos, so why not twist the game to create some chaos of your own? You are currently infected with a virus, which you are obligated to pass on to another player at night through the command ##Twist (Player). This command also doubles as a bus driver: people who target the player who used ##Twist will instead target said player's target, and vise versa. Players infected with this virus are required to use the command ##Twist over any other night actions they might have, as using the command is the only way they can remove the virus, giving it priority over all their other actions. While the flavor will imply some sort of negative redirecting effect, they will not be told of any of its effects.
    • As a warning, you will have no control over this virus whatsoever after initially passing it on, meaning it could potentially bite your alignment in the back later. Additionally, if you ever end up dead, the ##Twist command will be removed from circulation entirely.
    • One more thing: players with killing roles are allowed to nightkill and pass on the virus in the same night, making it the only action in the game that can be used alongside a nightkill. This does not make the virus an effective alibi, however: all targeted players will be told this fact in the PM informing them of their infection, even if they do not have a killing role.
    • As ridiculous and generally disruptive as this role probably sounds, you can take solace in the knowledge that it is mod-guaranteed to be the most bastard-esque role in the game, meaning that it should hopefully not get any worse than this. Whether this knowledge is worth sharing with your buddies or not is up to you to decide.
    On further review (read: I just re-read a role PM I wrote ages ago and it looks stupid but I don't have time to re-write it), I... think I might not have explained this role very well. Feel free to ask me questions if it's unclear.

    You win when the number of scum is greater than or equal to the number of remaining townies. Best of luck!
    Generally intended to be a huge bastard role. I think I overestimated it, actually - it wasn't supposed to exactly be a reliable, powerful role for scum, but I hadn't noticed how easy it could potentially screw over the scum who used it. It did succesfully cause some confusion on D2, at least, which was really fun to watch from a modding PoV.

    It should be noted that I specifically made the insomniac be a scum role because insomniacs seem to generally be associated with town roles from what I've seen, as they usually allow town to lay out a townie thought process overnight. As a result, I felt that giving it to scum could potentially be an interesting twist. While Bard did use the nighttalk, it was not particularily in the way I expected and only popped up on N1, so I consider this to be another one on the "roles I'm sad never fully came to light" list.

    Also, Twist actually did have infinite priority regardless of whether Hourai could block it or not, but I of course forgot to mention that. <______________< Sorry, Schezo.


    Next up, night actions.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - End
    Post by: Edible on March 18, 2011, 01:13:46 AM
    Edible's playstyle:  :yukkuri:

    This is true, actually.  huh what, care to quote my N1 action?
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Endgame, Town Win
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 18, 2011, 01:16:48 AM
    .::Actions::.
    -N1-
    Bard - ##Nightkill K4U, ##Twist Edible
    Conq - ##Bind Shadoweh
    Polly - ##Voteblock Edible (Redirected to Bardiche, moves on to Pesco, fizzles on both)

    Pesco - ##Link Edible (Redirected to Bardiche)
    Edible -N/A
    K4U - ##Stalk Hanged Hourai [result: targeted Edible, but was redirected to Bardiche and later Pesco]
    Hourai - ##Guard Edible (Redirected to Bardiche, and as a result, Pesco, absorbs the voteblock and is forced to recharge)
    Caedo - ##Blackmail Bardiche (Redirected to Edible) (Result: Hammer Bro.)
    Schezo - ##Start Mob
    Shadoweh - ##Check Pesco (Targets Pesco as well)

    -N2-
    Conqueror - ##Kill Zakeri
    Iced Fairy - ##Infoblock Hourai

    Edible - N/A
    Hourai - ##Recharge
    Caedo - ##Blackmail Zakeri
    Schezo - N/A
    Shadoweh - ##Check Conqueror

    -N3-
    Conqueror - ##Kill Edible (Fail)
    Iced Fairy - ##Infoblock Conqueror

    Edible - ##Kill Shadoweh (Fail)
    Caedo - ##Blackmail Schezo
    Shadoweh - ##Check Schezo

    -N4-
    Iced Fairy - ##Kill Shadoweh

    Doll.S - ##Fullcop Edible
    Caedo - ##Blackmail Iced Fairy

    -N5-
    Iced Fairy - ##Kill Doll.S


    Overall, hosting this game was certainly... an experience. I'm not really sure if that's a good or bad thing. I did enjoy creating the set-up even if it was rather wonky, so I'm still interested in hosting and fully intend to learn from the failures here.


    As a bonus, here is Edible's N1 action and result, as requested:
    Quote from: huh what
    ##take it easy

    Is approximately what I will do tonight.
    You succesfully take it easy overnight! :yukkuri:

    Additionally, you find the following extremely threatening message inside your mailbox on the next morning.

    "Dear Bardiche,

    You had best start playing nice now, ya hear?
    There's nothing wrong with trying to squeeze a little info out of them scum bastards, but if yer not gonna be courteous about it...
    Well, let's just say that a certain individual might be met with an unfortunate accident, you know how these things just happen.
    Now we're all buddies here, hunting scum and all that jazz, so you best be playing nice."

    Furthermore, you have been infected by a virus that forces you to use the night action ##Twist on another player tonight to remove your infection. You are not entirely sure what this action does, but it sure doesn't sound good.

    You may not use any other night action alongside ##Twist, with the exception of killing actions.

    You cannot take it easy like this. :(
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 18, 2011, 01:19:52 AM
    So yeah, I think that's all there is to reveal set-up wise, unless anybody has any other requests.

    Comments? This is my first time finishing hosting a role madness game on a site where the players aren't complete retards, so I would like some advice for the future, at least.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Endgame, Town Win
    Post by: Edible on March 18, 2011, 01:21:13 AM
    Comments? This is my first time finishing hosting a role madness game on a site where the players aren't complete retards, so I would like some advice for the future, at least.

    I thought you were a new host.

    Given the ridiculous amount of stuff going on, I'd say you handled it pretty well.  The few screwups there were seemed to balance each other out.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 18, 2011, 01:21:55 AM
    I've hosted on other another forum multiple times before.

    But people on said forum are derps, so I didn't really learn much from it |:
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Endgame, Town Win
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 18, 2011, 01:22:05 AM
    I'm kinda curious what my death effect was.

    And yeah, with 3 cop roles, each of which could catch 2 of us, I'm surprised things lasted this long.  I figured Conqs role was just pure trolling with little value, and Bardiche's role doomed him if anyone made the logical leap to look at the start of the infection chain.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Endgame, Town Win
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 18, 2011, 01:23:00 AM
    I'm kinda curious what my death effect was.
    Row Clear, which reduced the time in the day by 10 hours.

    Pesco probably would have raged at me even more if it ever actually took place.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Endgame, Town Win
    Post by: Conqueror on March 18, 2011, 01:24:23 AM
    Update the first page with handy links!  :moogy:

    And get your co-mods to proofread the PMs and such if you find that a problem. What is NeoSerela doing there anyway?  :V

    In general I thought you did a pretty good job with the roles, although I agree scum was underpowered - perhaps get more people to review the setup? Good game nonetheless.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Endgame, Town Win
    Post by: Edible on March 18, 2011, 01:24:36 AM
    Pesco probably would have raged at me even more if it ever actually took place.

    Ahahaha!  Yes, yes he would have.

    If you ever want an example of how not to run role madness, look at any game Ramus hosts.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Endgame, Town Win
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 18, 2011, 01:26:17 AM
    And get your co-mods to proofread the PMs and such if you find that a problem. What is NeoSerela doing there anyway?  :V

    In general I thought you did a pretty good job with the roles, although I agree scum was underpowered - perhaps get more people to review the setup?
    I had two co-mods and both of them barely said anything about the set-up or role PMs at all :<

    If you ever want an example of how not to run role madness, look at any game Ramus hosts.
    I wasn't around for the old forums and the archive appears to be down, so I have no way of doing so. :s
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Endgame, Town Win
    Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on March 18, 2011, 01:29:09 AM
    You cannot take it easy like this. :(

    :(
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 18, 2011, 01:30:46 AM
    Nobody shall take it easy whilst they receive threatening messages that do nothing.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Edible on March 18, 2011, 01:31:20 AM
    In that particular instance it was like being threatened by someone else's junk mail.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 18, 2011, 01:32:50 AM
    Whatever, I still claim additional victory on the fact that all the people in LYLO possessed a letter from me.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Serela on March 18, 2011, 01:33:23 AM
    In that particular instance it was like being threatened by someone else's junk mail.
    Yes, I found that particularly hilarious.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Edible on March 18, 2011, 01:34:13 AM
    Whatever, I still claim additional victory on the fact that all the people in LYLO possessed a letter from me.

    Post 'em!
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 18, 2011, 01:35:19 AM
    Partially related: Since there have been a lot of newbies lately, what are the odds of there being larger game (15-17) some time in the near future? The playerbase seems to have expanded quite a bit.

    I'm asking about this because I happen to find large games especially fascinating for whatever reason (much like anonygames).
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Edible on March 18, 2011, 01:38:57 AM
    Our absolute max is generally 16 people (12 town 4 scum), and even those tend to go poorly.  Given the speed at which we play mafia, it is difficult for everyone to read everyone else's posts while also forming posts of their own.  Lurkers get away very easily, we almost always seem to have one or more dropouts per game, etc.

    Basically, 12-13 is highly, highly recommended for all setups.  9 is okay too, but yeah.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 18, 2011, 01:41:40 AM
    Post 'em!

    N1 (Went to Edible)
    Quote
    Dear Bardiche,

    You had best start playing nice now, ya hear?
    There's nothing wrong with trying to squeeze a little info out of them scum bastards, but if yer not gonna be courteous about it...
    Well, let's just say that a certain individual might be met with an unfortunate accident, you know how these things just happen.
    Now we're all buddies here, hunting scum and all that jazz, so you best be playing nice.

    N2
    Quote
    Dear Zakeri,

    Did you really think that I wouldn't notice your convenient absence at the end of the day?
    Did you really think that yer absence would go by unnoticed?
    Try to pull any crap like that again and maybe you'll find yer absence turns a little more permanent, ya hear?

    N3
    It was to Schezo but I forgot to save it because this was the night I sent my action late and huh what was poking me and stuff.

    N4
    Quote
    Dear Iced Fairy,

    Did ya think that relying on yer pathetic excuse of joining late would hold up forever?
    Because I know what you were doing before this hunt started.
    I know what yer did.
    And if ya don't start cleaning up yer act, who knows what tragic accidents might occur.


    Quote destroys the italics.
    Oh well.



    Also, I blame poor english skills for bad analysis abilities. :V
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 18, 2011, 01:45:28 AM
    @ Edible: It seems to me that the poor turn-out of past large games was primarily the fault of the timing and the players rather than the size, though. I can't really speak from an educated viewpoint, though, seeing as I wasn't around for them (although I do recall lurking and watching RKS unfold back when I was new). Even so, wouldn't that be less of an issue now that this forum's playerbase has shifted and a fair amount of new players (myself, Serela, Schezo, Hourai, etc) have popped up since the last "large" game? I imagine replacements would be more common, too.

    I guess all this is just theorizing, though.

    @ Dormio: I still have your PM to Schezo.
    Quote from: Schezo's N3 Results
    You found the following ~extremely threatening~ message inside your mailbox:

    "Dear Schezo,

    Pulling a fast one on Hourai there, are yer?
    Can't say I blame ya for that, he probably had it coming.
    But, ya know, there's a code of conduct we should be going by when we're hunting scum.
    We gotta keep civilized 'cuz you know what happens if we don't?
    Anarchy. And in anarchy, everyone becomes scum.
    So let's keep our actions nice and courteous, lest some unforeseeable tragedy happen to a certain individual in the near future."
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 18, 2011, 01:46:58 AM
    Quote from: huh what
    Edible - ##Kill Shadoweh (Fail)
    *teaspit.jpg*
    Quote
    ## take it easy
    *has already teaspit.jpg*

    I laughed so hard when I found out Crown Boy's effect was Kingmaker. Truly you were the king of the lynch.

    I'm going to post the rest of the anonymessages in order since huh what hasn't.:

    Quote from: Schezo to Shadoweh
    Can I ask at this moment for you to go back to the basics and find what you were thinking earlier to be a guide to your actions?
    Since he didn't know about my cop yet he was completely in his rights to call me out for pretending to be insane.
    Quote from: Shadoweh to Schezo
    Dear Crown Boy Schezo.

    Hello, this is Shadoweh! I guess someone could try to fake being me but really? Really. You have been chosen to receive this because well it was either you or Doll. First of all I should tell you I don't suspect Dormio because he doesn't realize he just claimed cop and cleared Edible from scum. Considering the info I have I'd be surprised if any of the scum role names don't involve 'Virus'.

    First of all the reason for what happened with Hourai is so simple I can't believe it eluded me. No one was ever suposed to see the waffle move. See how in post 363 he said "Argh, I don't want scum anony voting." and voted, then after the votecount in post 371 said "It said that Doll had L-2!". The votecount in #356 was originally messed up, huh what had you still voting Doll (5 votes instead of 4) and said Doll was at L-2. Hourai thought when he voted for Doll it was the hammer. If this plan had worked Bardiche would've been able to hard bus his fiercest opponent Zakeri the next day as the vote that "must have moved" OR YOU because "obviously it was a scum gambit to save scum Schezo". Note that Hanged Hourai and Conqueror are also the ones that helped Bardiche hammer himself.

    Oh, did I mention Conqueror is scum? Because Conqueror is scum. I checked him last night and not only is his day effect named Virus Outbreak but he gives out a POST RESTRICTION when he dies to everyone. Also check out the way he's trying to get Dormio lynched instead of going for the easy Hourai wagon. Now I don't know about you but I don't want another horrific post restriction written by Conqueror tomorrow so I propose we lynch Hourai today and not let Conqueror know we're onto him until he gets hit by a insta-lynch the next day.

    If the game continues after we lynch these two as scum the highest probability is that Edible is a Third Party Survivor.

    If you agree to this plan please make a post with the words "Oh and Shadoweh next time you get hit by a restriction that hard think of a name more manly then crown boy." I will make a post with the reply "Schezo: How does 'quit lynching yourself man' sound? :V"
    My logic for Hourai was true, he just happened to hide his scum flip really well flip town. The conversation between me and Edible discussing his 'town flip role' was us BSing while confirming he got my PM.

    Quote from: Schezo to Shadoweh
    I'm going to send you both of my flocks of birds now because I'm almost certain I can trust you at this point.

    I sent you one earlier that said: *quotes earlier pm*

    because I didn't know if I could trust you enough not to fall on me because you may have thought I was scum trying to lead you on.  I wonder who you thought sent you that because I wanted it to be as ambiguous as possible, post game answer you know.

    I decided not to answer that way to your plan in the thread even though I agree with it.  I want you to just throw all that stuff out there on Hourai right now because I won't be back for a good post until ~5-10PM CST.

    I may call Conqueror out a bit on my arguement on Hourai but I'll also try to paint Dormio in the same light so that he won't get too wary.

    I hope I'm not the nightkill or you aren't either but we'll see.
    I thought the first message was from Edible. It fit his take it easy style.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 18, 2011, 01:47:34 AM
    Quote
    So let's keep our actions nice and courteous, lest some unforeseeable tragedy happen to a certain individual in the near future.
    He actually died. D:
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 18, 2011, 01:48:48 AM
    I like how some people seemed to assume Dormio's role was a form of vig. It totally would have made sense and his letters even implied it, but it was not to be.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Kitten4u on March 18, 2011, 01:52:00 AM
    I still don't get why you guys were getting up in my face about lurking D1 (since lurking D1 isn't scummy). :V  It's not like posting infrequently alone is really scummy, it's how it's used.  Like most things you can't just blindly apply OMG LURKING!!!!!!!! as a case alone.  In general, I find that looking at what lurkers DON'T say as opposed to what they DO say is better at nabbing scum.  Looking at events (or rather, trends) that they skip is also useful.  You just have to be more careful with that one, because they really not be able to post and/or may be rereading in order to make a better choice.  So yeah.  All you guys really succeeded in doing D1 with your call outs was pissing me off and making me not want to post. :V  I will never post a lot, it's just not how I play.  I've tried before and it's just never worked for me.

    ---

    Comments on game:

    Shadoweh and Iced Fairy were great.  Keep playing.

    D5 was just disgraceful.  There wasn't anything that pointed to Dormio being scum rather than just a confused newbie, but there were things pointing to him being town.  This ranks up with town not lynching Serp in Invasion after he said we should ignore flips.

    I think the set-up was too town biased.  A lot of the more confusing night actions could be figured out pretty easily due to it being rolemadness.  I think the town investigative roles (even if some of them were fairly weak) were still too strong all together.  Coupled with everything else and the generally weak scum PRs and ow.  I don't think the confusion and the negative death effects were enough to balance things right (especially since they could be used creatively as Shadoweh demonstrated :P).

    You definitely needed to talk to your co-mods more.  More vote counts (especially during D2 where they were particularly important) would have been nice.  All night actions seemed to be handled well, so I think you did well there.  The night phases were too long too.  I could tolerate N1 being long to find a replacement, but there wasn't any reason to extend the later ones.  If someone doesn't send in their night actions on time that's their problem, not yours. >_>b  Overall, the game ran smoothly.  GJ

    The dead QT was awesome.  I still had a lot of fun with the game despite not really thinking too hard about it and being dead. :P
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 18, 2011, 01:53:56 AM
    Ahahahahaha. I'm so going back to my Goddamnit Chaore mafia playstyle. Trying anything else just doesn't work for me.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: PX on March 18, 2011, 02:01:38 AM
    Quick post to say that I hope every single one of you on the PX wagon feels shame and disgust  for even considering your vote, and I hope you all hang.  A post-game discussion on what consists of a good D1 lynch and what doesn't is in order.

    ##vote pesco, because there ain't no gettin' offa this train that we on.  Also to comply with the following:


    I demand that every single player place a vote in their first post of the day.  Anyone who does not have their vote on the table AT ALL TIMES should be instantly considered as scum.

    I'll be back later.  The townie riot ability is a boon if managed carefully.

    Still waiting on this Edible
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 18, 2011, 02:03:01 AM
    I owe an apology to K4U for taking instructions from Hitler who clearly said she was THE ENEMY.
    This is the exact post of his I took my posting advice from and they're good tips for any newbie:
    http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,1128.msg50521.html#msg50521
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 18, 2011, 02:04:32 AM
    Shame on you for actually lurking properly and listening to competent players before attempting to play in a Mafia game, Shadoweh. Real men gain nothing from reading through archives, play horribly their first few games, and learn the hard way.

    ;_;
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 18, 2011, 02:05:57 AM
    Nice blue there Shadoweh. And exactly how much research did you do? Cause you seem very well-up on your past games.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Edible on March 18, 2011, 02:11:21 AM
    Still waiting on this Edible

    orite

    Okay, this one can't be gamed too hard, but look at PX's lynch day 1.


    PX (6) - Dormio, Bardiche, Pesco, Hanged Hourai, Conqueror, Schezo, Kitten4u

    Notice anything in particular?

    Basically, two townies arguing about something stupid on D1 almost always leads to one of them being lynched, and it's easy as hell for scum to ride the wagon all the way home.  This is almost never a good way to choose a lynch.  Conversely, we had another player (who happened to be town) acting blatantly anti-town, using dangerous abilities with neither warning nor concern, and essentially keeping mum otherwise.  Town abilities not used for the sake of town may essentially be scum tools.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 18, 2011, 02:12:32 AM
    Heh.  I'm curious as to how I'd do as town.  The reason I was willing to jump in day 2 was because I'd read the game pretty well, and I actually suspected Pesco, Bardiche and Conqueror walking in.  But some of the distractions were pretty good.  I don't know how well I'd have fared against them.

    I'm also curious as to how I'd do from Day 1.  I came in with solid opinions and a strong posting position.  Having to fumble around in the dark earlier would have been more taxing.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 18, 2011, 02:13:36 AM
    Yes... research. >.> For this game. >.> It's not like I read through all the Mafia games for fun. Repeatedly. Especially the Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia since Shkannon had my favorite posts ever. I wanted to play Anonymafia or at least Bastard Mod first because they were the most fun games to read.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 18, 2011, 02:14:00 AM
    I derped really hard on D5.
    Though, apparently, DollS would have gone for me anyway or something.
    But yeah, rushed posts followed by more rushed posts are bad.

    I confused myself with day effects and thought that the posting restriction didn't apply to everyone.
    After all, Iced Fairy broke it immediately and Schezo/Edible were posting normally (or at least it looked normal compared to Shadoweh's posts).

    I'll probably lurk moar before I attempt to play another.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Edible on March 18, 2011, 02:18:07 AM
    My post restriction at the time required me to ignore the post restrictions.

    Unfortunately for whoever wrote them, that's exactly what I did with Shadoweh's on D2.  So continuing to ignore them wasn't all that hard.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on March 18, 2011, 02:19:28 AM
    I'm the one who made up the posting restrictions. They were not given to specifically chosen players, so I was not expecting it to affect your play.

    Edible's, Iced Fairy's and Schezo's were as they stated them, though Iced Fairy's had no penalty for being broken.
    Doll had to post everything in the form of a question.
    Dormio was immune (decision given to a random townie to cause confusion, had nothing to do with his role).
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Conqueror on March 18, 2011, 02:20:00 AM
    I wanted to play Anonymafia or at least Bastard Mod first because they were the most fun games to read.
    Well, I'd say this was a Bastard Mod game.

    I was looking forward to playing town this game (seeing as in my only other game I got lynched D1). I'll have to see if I have more time - most of my lurking this game was forced. >>
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Kitten4u on March 18, 2011, 02:21:22 AM
    @Edible: But you vs. Pesco was just as much of a townie slapfight. x:

    Shkannon had my favorite posts ever.
    wat
    I might as well have been drunk during that game. :P
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 18, 2011, 02:22:07 AM
    Eh, I derped on D5 too.  You were right.  My post restriction was a total lie and I broke it immediately in my eagerness to beat Dolls to the punch.

    The mistake in D5 was everyone not paying attention to my misteps, Edible reading too much into your death ability, and Dolls falling into my "lynch Dormio too damn early" trap.

    The mistakes I used against you as scum mainly came from your jumping to conclusions on bad evidence and tendency to repost facts instead of pulling the facts together.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Edible on March 18, 2011, 02:24:10 AM
    @Edible: But you vs. Pesco was just as much of a townie slapfight. x:

    Hey, scum pesco DOES play exactly the same as town pesco.  All I'm saying is if you have to choose a lynch based on not-scumminess D1, pick the most anti-town option available. :V
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Serela on March 18, 2011, 02:26:17 AM
    wat
    I might as well have been drunk during that game. :P
    Clearly, you should channel your inner ZUN next mafia game you play.

    Although it may have helped that bofh was your partner. And yet you STILL got prodded the hell out of. : :VJesus, putting two lurkers together isn't supposed to make them post even LESS  :3

    ...I still wonder if I could have won that game, if I had tried a roleclaim that wasn't really bad. I had it made until suddenly everything went to crap on the last night ;_;
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 18, 2011, 02:26:32 AM
    (decision given to a random townie to cause confusion, had nothing to do with his role).
    It confused the hell out of me, at the very least. q_q


    The mistakes I used against you as scum mainly came from your jumping to conclusions on bad evidence and tendency to repost facts instead of pulling the facts together.
    Well, I was going to post my (not-so) crackpot theory about you being scum through the process of elimination. (If Edible isn't scum, it must be Iced Fairy!)
    But then DollS hammered me while I was playing DotS.



    Also, I hate using wireless internet at the uni library.
    It's so slow because too many people and making even a single post is :effort:
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on March 18, 2011, 02:26:47 AM
    I might as well have been drunk during that game. :P

    Man, I just remember reading that game and constantly going "wait wha-- oh, yeah, that Shannon" until bofh merged in with you. Even though I wasn't even playing. I'm just not used to hearing my own damn name anymore. Or something. :V
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 18, 2011, 02:28:39 AM
    I might as well have been drunk during that game. :P
    You should drink more often You still won didn't you? According to the townie you won before the day started.  :3 You still managed not to break your restriction unlike your other half.

    I was paranoid scared of everyone getting a post restriction like mine and then everyone gets one line restrictions and the day lasted 7 hours. muted townie rage!
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Iced Fairy on March 18, 2011, 02:29:11 AM
    But then DollS hammered me while I was playing DotS.
    I knew he would.  It was pretty predictable.  Which is why I put a big red "Do not do this" sign over my delay game button.  To make me look slightly more town.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Kitten4u on March 18, 2011, 02:33:15 AM
    Ah, so you liked the posts after I became Schizophrenia-nee-chan-kun. :P  Most of those weren't written by me (or at least not 100% me, I made sure to send them to bofh before posting for proofreading, and even THEN I managed to derp things up with some of his posts :V).

    Quote from: Shadoweh
    You should drink more often
    If only that's what was causing me to be all silly and unable to think right. :(
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 18, 2011, 02:35:45 AM
    I knew he would.  It was pretty predictable.  Which is why I put a big red "Do not do this" sign over my delay game button.  To make me look slightly more town.
    Gddmt DollS.
    Be thankful you're all kawaii and uguu desu.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Endgame, Town Win
    Post by: Thata no Guykoro on March 18, 2011, 02:37:02 AM
    I had two co-mods and both of them barely said anything about the set-up or role PMs at all :<
    Hey hey, you hired me for the votecounts.

    ...In retrospect, maybe I should have counted votes more than about 2 or 3 times.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Endgame, Town Win
    Post by: Serela on March 18, 2011, 02:41:50 AM
    ...In retrospect, maybe I should have counted votes more than about 2 or 3 times.
    I would have too, but I kept becoming incredibly sick or having to babysit every single time a day started :V
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 18, 2011, 02:42:36 AM
    Ah, so you liked the posts after I became Schizophrenia-nee-chan-kun. :P  Most of those weren't written by me (or at least not 100% me, I made sure to send them to bofh before posting for proofreading, and even THEN I managed to derp things up with some of his posts :V).
    No, I liked all of them, but you make awesome Hydras. bofh being my third favorite helped though. (I need to find whatever channel you guys talk on so I can stop chatting about other games in the current one.)

    Doll was Moe Maker of Muppets because I had decided his Day 1 attempt at a case was too cute to be anything but him trying really, really hard. I really don't think Doll should play more Mafia and I mean this in the kindest way. You're too nice. Mafia is a game for liars and sharks.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 18, 2011, 02:49:25 AM
    Quote from: Shadoweh in Graveyard
    I love that avatar ;^; It helps when he does things like:
    Doll: "I FOUND A CASE!"
    > Present: Why did you stop talking about the Conqueror jokevote wagon?!
    ## Vote Shadoweh!
    Did I do good? *beam beam*
    p.much
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Kitten4u on March 18, 2011, 02:49:48 AM
    I haven't lurked on any channels lately.  Only one I really go on right now is the DotS chan, but I haven't been on there lately because I haven't been able to play.  Ironically enough, I quit lurking on #meido because I got sick of people going OMG KITTEN4U IS TALKING/SHOULD STOP LURKING!!!!!!!! :V
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Edible on March 18, 2011, 02:51:08 AM
    I haven't lurked on any channels lately.  Only one I really go on right now is the DotS chan, but I haven't been on there lately because I haven't been able to play.  Ironically enough, I quit lurking on #meido because I got sick of people going OMG KITTEN4U IS TALKING/SHOULD STOP LURKING!!!!!!!! :V

    I wasn't even aware you lurked there.  I thought you were only there to ping out!
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Kitten4u on March 18, 2011, 02:53:52 AM
    :(
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Doll.S CUBE on March 18, 2011, 03:08:23 AM
    No, I liked all of them, but you make awesome Hydras. bofh being my third favorite helped though. (I need to find whatever channel you guys talk on so I can stop chatting about other games in the current one.)

    Doll was Moe Maker of Muppets because I had decided his Day 1 attempt at a case was too cute to be anything but him trying really, really hard. I really don't think Doll should play more Mafia and I mean this in the kindest way. You're too nice. Mafia is a game for liars and sharks.

    I really want to play though but....I guess so...I don't know really. Mafia just seems so fun.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Schezo on March 18, 2011, 03:13:52 AM
    Yeah, that long ass night thing was taxing on me.  I would wait, "oh look 72 hours later... Um what was going on"... rereads the whole game again just to figure out what's going on.  Ugh.  Then just on the sheer amount of irl days it lasted made it seem even worse to me.  "When was this... March 2nd what?"

    In other news: I'm 3/3 on this board in my Mafia yes!
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 18, 2011, 03:29:59 AM
    =-= I'm still mad at you for not revealing you got a PM from Dormio on Day 4. Ever. You let your emotions get the better of you alot but you were obviously town for it. We were the best scumpair evar this game.  :3
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Serp on March 18, 2011, 03:54:22 AM
    Ah, that was a fun read, even despite the town not picking up on some of the role shenanigans.  I thought I was watching Death Note for a few minutes there when Shadoweh pulled her gambit on Bardiche, and Iced did a good job of scum play even despite some of the role stuff not quite matching up.

    Anyway, I'm opening Zombie Apocalypse Mafia signups right now in the other thread, and my role PMs and initial flavor are all already written up, so please come check it out!
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Bardiche on March 18, 2011, 05:38:14 AM
    I have no regrets, this was the only way. My entire play was unlimited gambit works.

    No more nights in excess of 24 hours though, if you can't send a PM within a day's time you don't deserve to use your role, and if you cannot post within 24 hours' time rather than 48, you deserve a prod.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Pesco on March 18, 2011, 05:58:53 AM
    Kitten x Shadoweh. Don't deny you guys want it, and pics :V

    Borked internet at home sucks as much as phone posting. Stuff's all pretty discussed already. As I had said, people die for a reason. The reason is because they know something that would hurt scum, so listen to what dead townies had said. Derp D5 >_>
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 18, 2011, 06:20:58 AM
    Kitten x Shadoweh. Don't deny you guys want it, and pics :V
    GODDAMNIT I CAN'T DRINK TEA AROUND YOU PEOPLE!
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Schezo on March 18, 2011, 07:25:09 AM
    Kitten's 54 post in the grave was enlightening.  I still need to learn how to be concise, short sweet and to the point.  I just have a hard time letting people know what I'm thinking when it makes sense in my head.  >.<

    Oh and I finished the grave topic...  You're all meanies!  I was going to kill Iced Fairy after all the bullshit he came up his 736 with you know right. ;_;
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Conqueror on March 19, 2011, 11:38:58 AM
    Oh, I forgot to post this here, for anyone who didn't see the quicktopic.
    This is the restriction we sent to Shadoweh on N1:

    ##Bind Shadoweh

    - You must never end a sentence with a preposition.
    - You may not include the letter combination "scum" in any way, shape or form. This includes "scummy", "scum-like" and "S c U m" or any other variations.
    - You may not refer to people by their common names. e.g. Pesco may not be called Pesco. You may break this restriction only when voting.
    - You may not use abbreviations or contractions. All words must be typed out in full.
    - You may use neither commas nor colons nor dashes.
    - You may not use capitals anywhere in your post.

    Something for future bastard mods maybe. :P
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Bardiche on March 19, 2011, 02:53:24 PM
    ilu Doll~

    (http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/9963/avatar26611298118061.jpg)
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Hanged Hourai on March 19, 2011, 04:42:40 PM
    ilu Doll~

    (http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/9963/avatar26611298118061.jpg)

    :getdown: Ahahahahahaha, that's awesome.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Shadoweh on March 19, 2011, 05:01:52 PM
    My exact reaction to the posting restriction: AGHDHJGFDGLGFDG
    PM to huh what: "oh my god. what's a preposition?!?"
    huh what: *sends link to Google* :dwi:

    It had to be Muppets, not Dolls! Always trying to sneak in a capital you scummy monster!
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Serela on March 19, 2011, 05:13:04 PM
    Quote
    PM to huh what: "oh my god. what's a preposition?!?"
    I kind of thought the same thing :V
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Bardiche on March 19, 2011, 07:21:01 PM
    "Start all sentences with a present participle."

    I had to do something with my study.
    Title: Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win
    Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on March 19, 2011, 07:40:06 PM
    "Start all sentences with a present participle."

    That would be pretty painful. I think half the time I'd screw up and end up with gerunds instead if I tried. >_>