Author Topic: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win  (Read 103785 times)

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #150 on: March 01, 2011, 02:05:33 AM »
Orz, why must there always be a leaver?!

Okay, more stuff on Pesco then. Shadoweh tries to stir up conversation, and you throw out a lolwut while letting people throw around votes without question. Then you accused Edible of cheerleading using Zak, but he's not cheerleading! He's not throwing votes on random lurkers. Speaking of other people who commented on wanting K4U to post, you didn't mention Conquerer at all. Also, following the leader on asking for lurkers to show up? Who cares if it's pointless. Just because someone mentioned them before automatically makes someone who mentions it after them look scummier?

Anyways, I gave Hourai 3 hours to post. He has not. Waiting on him to post. Or not. Post, now.

##Unvote:
##Vote: Hanged Hourai

Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #151 on: March 01, 2011, 02:08:19 AM »
I Am Unfortunately Not Inspired Enough To Make Up Votecount Names Right Now
Pesco (3) - Edible, Dormio, PX, Shadoweh
Kitten4u (0) - Dormio, Conquerer
Hanged Hourai (2.5) - Doll.S, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Kitten4u, PX
Dormio (1) - Schezo, PX, Pesco, Conqueror
Conqueror (0) - Hanged Hourai, PX, Bardiche
Edible (1) - ZakeriPesco
Zakeri (0) - Shadoweh
PX (2) - Dormio, Bardiche, Pesco
Shadoweh (3) - Schezo, Bardiche, Hanged Hourai, Doll.S
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With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~22 hours left in the day.

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« Last Edit: March 01, 2011, 02:12:14 AM by huh what »

Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #152 on: March 01, 2011, 02:19:12 AM »
#70: I fully intented to vote in that post on my way out. I was ninja'd by a mountain of posts including Pesco posting an opinion so I put off voting until I could come back in an hour to read it. I did so and voted him in post #91 which I had posted by the time you wrote this so I'm not sure why you skipped that one since it answers your question.

#91? Wha? Hold on, lemee re-read.
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Oh you mean #83. The vote was hidden inside the line.
But my original curiosity was why didn't you change your vote off the joke right when discussion started and people started looking scummy. Which you explained already. So I guess you're cleared of that.

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Considering she just tried way too hard to pull us out of RVS I do not see how continuing to try way too hard to generate discussion is a scummy thing.  Explain please?
The idea is not scummy, the execution however was scummy. But with that, I consider it a new player mistake. Also, her recent posts have seemed productive and hunting-like to me, so she goes down on my list.


Also, I like waffles, but not that much.  :(

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Oh hey there.
So you are taking off your vote on a person who you think is the scummiest to go for me. Before, I was your 2nd choice. Now I'm your #1? What about me changed?

Your votepost voices more suspicion for the person you are already voting, but you change it for a person who you  have no extra info on than when you originally voiced suspicion.

##Unvote
##Vote: PX


In summation,

PX, "I think Pesco scummiest, and Hourai second."

A little while later...

PX, "Pesco is even scummier! Vote Hourai! Even when he hasn't done anything else!"


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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #153 on: March 01, 2011, 03:01:25 AM »
Oh, just the fact that you were online about 3 hours ago, I saw you post on Yu-gi-oh, and yet no post on Mafia when 3 people addressed you. Also, OMG u suck!

Just cements my vote.

Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #154 on: March 01, 2011, 03:10:06 AM »
So when you get more suspicious of the person you're voting, you vote your #2 based on his activity while making his new post. Gotcha.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #155 on: March 01, 2011, 03:17:47 AM »
Nope, it's called pressuring a person I want a post out of. Did it work?

Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #156 on: March 01, 2011, 03:27:23 AM »
Not really, seeing as how I pressed "Post" before I saw it. But if you wanted a vote on you, then yeah, it worked.

This back and forth really isn't going to end up with anything useful, so I see no point in continuing it.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #157 on: March 01, 2011, 03:34:27 AM »
Oh please, then continue. Were you going to talk about other people?

Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #158 on: March 01, 2011, 04:07:07 AM »
I was going to post 18 hours ago, but then so many words happened, and I fell asleep. I'm still having trouble focusing.

Pesco: Ha ha, for someone who patented the FPMH, you sure are susceptible to them.

Anyway, yesterday I probably would have joked around saying "Pesco is scum? Okay then." and then voted accordingly. However, Pesco is Pesco, and Edible ... umm, has a very good chance of being Edible, I guess. Nothing rings alarmbells in my head between them, so my vote goes elsewhere.

And no, cheerleading wasn't one of the things I was holding on Edible, though I can see where Pesco would make that leap. Plus, Pesco's response of "Well, he might not have said it, but I did." to the misrep accusation is not a scum-based backtrack.

##Unvote: Edible

Dormio: If you think someone is scum, just say that you think they are scum. if you put a disclaimer that says you could be wrong, that just implies that you know the person will flip town, and don't want people to pin it on you.

Has Doll.S always been this useless?
I looked over JK9, and I saw you putting a ton of effort into finding and hunting scum, even though you were bad at it and second guessing yourself, and completely unable to find reasons.
I also looked over Moriya Shrine, and even though you were scum that game, you at least were able to add something new almost every time you posted, even if it wasn't directly related to scumhunting.
So tell me, what's with this all of a sudden. Almost all of your posts seem to be non-contributing anti-lurk. I know you can play a lot better than you are now. I find this really suspect, as you're suppose to get better at playing the game with experience, not worse.

##Vote: Doll.S

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #159 on: March 01, 2011, 05:26:10 AM »
I express some mild dissatisfaction with PX's defence of Shadoweh, however, as I feel players are well capable of defending themselves in their times of need. Further dissatisfaction arises from the accusation re: Pesco voting by "using Zak's words", whereas Pesco's case was, almost literally, "As Zak pointed out, Edible is a worse cheerleader". And while Zak did not point out any such thing, it looks like Pesco's own observation that Edible is cheerleading.

Never bother that I wholly disagree with Pesco and his stint with Edible, but the misrepresentation combined with a vote is flawed enough to cause my alarmbells to go off. Exactly how does Pesco's observation that "Edible is cheerleading" fall apart if Zakeri did not point this out at all, but it was merely something Pesco diagnosed himself?

For all that I find Pesco's case shoddy, the blatant bandwagon hop seems more egregious. Pesco being nonsensical is nothing out of the ordinary, so I will require further content from him to decide that he is now scummy for an erroneous observation. It was too poor to conceivably be of worth.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: PX

Just quoting to bring this to PX's attention, I think answering questions people who vote for you have is a good idea.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #160 on: March 01, 2011, 05:44:27 AM »
@Pesco: Okay, that makes sense.

This...thing happening...I'm not even sure how to describe it.  This OMGUS is unimpressive.  This is...  Let's see, reportery and doesn't say a thing about anything and has an awkward vote swap at the end.  The whole back and fourth is just so...WEIRD!  It looks really forced imo.  I'm not sure which post is worse...

I'm going to keep my vote where it is for now, but I am willing to switch to PX.

And then I attempted to figure out what was bothering me about Schezo.  This post reads pretty weirdly to me (defending and attacking Shadoweh in the same post, and I don't really like his case on Shadoweh either), but I don't really think it's worth worrying about right now.
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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #161 on: March 01, 2011, 06:19:42 AM »
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Exactly how does Pesco's observation that "Edible is cheerleading" fall apart if Zakeri did not point this out at all, but it was merely something Pesco diagnosed himself?

Edible's comment on K4U does not look like cheerleading. He's not egging on a wagon since nobody has any votes on K4U. Thus, his case is pretty much non-existent. Is that satisfactory?

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #162 on: March 01, 2011, 10:15:30 AM »
It's been a long day for me, so bear with me if this post is a bit disjointed.

First, an update on my previous opinions.

Dormio: At least now he has a firm stance and a vote down somewhere, although I almost completely disagree with his rationale for voting Pesco in post #103. But he seems to be trying a bit harder now, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, at least for now.

##Unvote:Dormio


Dolls: Dolls isn't looking much better, what with his only addition being the infamous post #138 and a pretty weak vote on Shadoweh, which he keeps even after Shadoweh directly addresses the issue he brought up. At this point it feels like he won't or can't form an opinion out of this headache of a game (an understandable feeling), but that's no excuse for the almost complete lack of content. I would be happy with a Dolls lynch at this point.


Pesco: Pesco looks a lot better in retrospect after I realized what he was actually talking about in his first few posts, derp derp :V. For those people still harping on about the "lolwut" posts, try reading Shadoweh's first posts again. Mind, I still don't I think Pesco's accusations against Edible made much sense, but Pesco was like that last game too.  ::) Whatever, he's stepped up his game since that exchange. I'll look at him again later if people really see a case on him, but I don't think his actions so far have been particularly scummy, just more than a little paranoid.


A response to Kitten Re: My first post. I will admit it was pretty bad, but at that point the game was only just getting out of RVS with the Shadoweh vs everybody else banter. I would have waited a little while longer to gather my thoughts and make a more substantial post, but I wanted to answer Shadoweh's question first. In any case, a lot of stuff happened after that, so material wasn't lacking afterwards.


Now that that's out of the way...

Oh boy, PX and Hourai. I believe Kitten already said most of what can be said on the matter. I tried rereading both of them.

Hourai: I originally thought his post #152 looked really bad, but now that I actually look at it, it's not that bad. Granted, it's a pretty blatant OMGUS, but his reason for thinking PX looks scummy is pretty much the same as mine, and in any case PX's previous posts haven't been too impressive. Hourai's post #90 is unimpressive upon first glance, second glance, third glance, etc. but I find that he has very clear cut opinions to go with his votes, even if I completely disagree with his case on Shadoweh.

PX: But compare that to PX. Vote on Hourai in #150 came out of almost nowhere, as he never deems to explain why he thinks Hourai deserves the vote more than Pesco. Mind, I think the points on Pesco don't really hold, but still, he seems to believe them. His initial vote on Pesco was similarily weak - the rationale for voting only came afterwards, which leads me to think he voted first and thought afterwards. His meatiest post "recaps things," much like what he accuses Hourai of doing.

##Vote:PX

Posting this to get it out of the way; I'm too tired to format properly. I have class in 3 hours I hate you all.


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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #163 on: March 01, 2011, 12:08:13 PM »
Everyone in the game posted today so I am pleased. My issue with Pesco still hasn't changed and I disagree with the people clearing him. My problem is not that Pesco is being Pesco, it's that Pesco is being Pesco AND useless.

PX: I agree completely with your assessment on Pesco. It's a shame you're voting for Hourai. My feelings of negativity towards this will increase the closer to deadline we get.

Hourai: Since you were making post #152 before PX's OMGUS on you, who would you have voted for in your post before you were cut?
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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #164 on: March 01, 2011, 02:45:23 PM »
Explanation of the Hourai vote: Prod vote, turned it into a real vote after Hourai's OMGUS. Really, votes can be moved around in the span of 2 seconds, so is it that bad to use it to get a person to post?

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #165 on: March 01, 2011, 02:45:58 PM »
Also, I might not be around for the deadline.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #166 on: March 01, 2011, 04:57:33 PM »
Maybe this will convince the rest of you that lynching pesco is the optimal solution today.

Fact #1: Pesco has stated his ability causes whatever happens to him at night to also happen to his target.

Fact #2: He has used this ability on me.

Potential scenario #1: If pesco is town, and therefore not lying, scum will kill him tonight and I will also die.  Town loses two townies at once.  Hardly optimal.

Potential scenario #2: If pesco is lying, and therefore scum, he wouldn't be NKed anyway and is bluffing.

Scenario #1 means that lynching pesco is optimal unless there is another guaranteed scum lynch today, and by guaranteed I mean someone already has a result on someone else, which is unlikely.

Scenario #2 means we should be lynching pesco anyway.

Thoughts?

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #167 on: March 01, 2011, 05:05:15 PM »
Fact #3: Edible is a retard.

Scenario #3: Scum kills you instead since I'm lynchable.

Scenario #4: You're scum and I'm taking you down with me.

I don't see why you're obvtown by any measure for presenting a false dichotomy.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #168 on: March 01, 2011, 05:12:21 PM »
Fact #3: Edible is a retard.

Scenario #3: Scum kills you instead since I'm lynchable.

Scenario #4: You're scum and I'm taking you down with me.

I don't see why you're obvtown by any measure for presenting a false dichotomy.

Scenario #3 is inevitable, eventually, and still gives us an extra day compared to potentially lynching another townie and then losing both you and I tonight.  Two townie deaths is better than three, and I'd rather take a gamble on you being scum than on PX or someone else being scum and THEN losing two townies on top of that as opposed to one.  The numbers just add up better.

Scenario #4 is unlikely (even ignoring the fact that I'm town, but I'm aware you're not aware this is a fact yet), given you've stated your ability only works at night.  Why the hell would scum NK themselves?

My scenarios are admittedly presented with the foreknowledge that I'm town, which will be proven through the course of the game - either through my actions or through my death.  Nevertheless, I've stated logical conclusions that anyone else can come to with the same information.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #169 on: March 01, 2011, 05:16:08 PM »
Summary of all that is you think there's only 1 scum this game and it's me.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #170 on: March 01, 2011, 05:17:37 PM »
EBWOP:

I also submit the fact that pesco has been completely silent recently until called out with my previous post.

Ninja rabbit - By its nature, town can only consider the lynch of one scum at a time, especially on Day 1.  However, how do any of my scenarios conclude that you are the only scum?

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #171 on: March 01, 2011, 05:27:39 PM »
You don't consider PX or anyone else as possible scum. You've shown no suspicions of anyone other than myself.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #172 on: March 01, 2011, 05:30:30 PM »

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #173 on: March 01, 2011, 05:32:57 PM »
As much as I hate to shoot down the person arguing for my favorite lynch, that post of yours doesn't really show scum suspicions of anyone but Pesco. You say Doll is useless and Kitten made a good post and that the PX wagon 'interests you'.


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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #174 on: March 01, 2011, 05:35:33 PM »
I've responded enough to your trolling today. We've got all night to do what married couples do :V.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #175 on: March 01, 2011, 05:38:08 PM »
As much as I hate to shoot down the person arguing for my favorite lynch, that post of yours doesn't really show scum suspicions of anyone but Pesco. You say Doll is useless and Kitten made a good post and that the PX wagon 'interests you'.

"Potential lynch" and "potential scum" are synonymous in my vernacular, as they should be in anyone's who plays mafia.

Pesco specifically stated that I did not "consider PX or anyone else as possible scum", which is completely untrue as I've stated.

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #176 on: March 01, 2011, 05:50:37 PM »
"Potential lynch" and "potential scum" are synonymous in my vernacular, as they should be in anyone's who plays mafia.
Noted. What do you think of the Hourai vs PX talk earlier?


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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #177 on: March 01, 2011, 05:52:31 PM »
Noted. What do you think of the Hourai vs PX talk earlier?

Honestly?  I mostly ignored it.  Looks like two townies having a slapfight.  Might be worth looking at a little more closely later on.

Shadoweh

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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #178 on: March 01, 2011, 06:18:10 PM »
Waiting on rest of town now. I think there's 5 and a half hours left?
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Re: Mafia Rule Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #179 on: March 01, 2011, 07:53:46 PM »
Yes.

Okay, what is this? I know I'm bad but this...this? I would have been okay if Bardiche or even Pesco answered Zakeri (A question Zakeri already answered hime/her self, somewhat) because they've played with me before but you? Who've I've never known of til now? I'd understand if you where trying to prod me with questions and such but answering that question? Urgg...*shakes head* It seems pretty useless and just a direct personal jab at me.

Anyway, I'll probably be missing the lynch since I got to go to school now.

Oh right, ##Unvote: Shadoweh you answered my question about you and I don't mix personal and non-personal opinion.