MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Game Over, Town Win

[Kiva-la]

It better be something good, then, because that sort of double standard makes me unhappy, especially with how hard you've been pushing other people to claim. Really I would have rather you claimed before Slaves as well as Donut because I trust them more than you right now, but what's done with Slaves is done so whatever.

Also, as I forgot to mention it at the time, I'm not worried about a Valentia lynch rush because, at worst, there are two scum between Valentia, Mode and yourself, which means L-2 is not a threat when it's on Valentia and Mode is one of the votes. I would pull my vote back if I thought you/Donut was a viable scum team, but I really don't.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

No really, I'm actually making a votecount here for once.

Hoboverlord Purvis (1): GODrake, Violentia
Slabes (1): Kuruminut
Easy Modo (0): Slabes
Violentia (2): Easy Modo, HoboverlordPurvis

Not Voting: GODrake, Slabes

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Violentia is at L-2.
There are somewhere around 100 hours left in the day.

Additionally, with the game slowly edging towards a conclusion, now would be a good time to PM player guesses to the mods (NeoSerela and I).  Doing so will win you cool points for at least trying, regardless of whether you are in the game or not. Though considering the amount of night actions I've received, I wouldn't be surprised if you people have already PMed something like that to Serela but not me. ;_;

[DiEnd]

@goddrake

My current role is still drag commando

and my item is still item indentifier which i can use during the day @_@

[DiEnd]

Anyway to defend myself vs modo.

One biiiiiiiiiiiiig contraindication in your master plan to pin the scum on me

My Drag commando worked last night i ##copafeel on Kuri who roleclaimed as governor which i really didnt feel like re-stating since he said it once already

So if i was Roleblocked last night how did i copafeel ;3

[Kiva-la]

Donut, Drake, still thinking Valentia's not scum?

[DiEnd]

Anyway to defend myself vs modo.

One biiiiiiiiiiiiig contraindication in your master plan to pin the scum on me

My Drag commando worked last night i ##copafeel on Kuri who roleclaimed as governor which i really didnt feel like re-stating since he said it once already

So if i was Roleblocked last night how did i copafeel ;3

UGHHH i just royally fucked myself with that, i meant purvis @_@ jeez i suck at names

[Sasword]

Phoneposting to say that I will roleclaim and say my piece in my next post, but I won't be able to get into it until I get home which will be in another 12 hours or so.

And to answer your question Purvis, no I'm not sure yet. I have to figure out what to make of this information in relation to what my night action turned up. I'll say my piece in my next post.

[Sasword]

Okay, so next next post.

@Val: So wait, the person you rolecopped is Purvis, not Donut? Is 'Governor' the name of the role?

[DiEnd]

well thats what it does but the real name for it is "Hoboverlord"

[DiEnd]

and yes i rolecopped purvis not dounut, UGH GOTTA STOP DOUBLEING HERE

[OOO]

That's.... punny.  But an important question was why did you decide to identify Purvis instead of... say, me and Mode?

[DiEnd]

Purvis wasnt roleclaimed as of yet. plus i had my suspicions on him as well.  :ohdear:

[Ouja]

Donut, Drake, still thinking Valentia's not scum?

My wild and crazy opinion is that I rather expected this to happen.

I think it comes down to one of {Mode, Slaves} and {Valentia} being scum.  But I'm spoiling my incoming post.

[Kiva-la]

##Unvote: Valentia

That is indeed the name of my role.

Kneejerk move is to vote Mode but with so many earth-shattering posts apparently on their way I guess I might as well wait.

[Ouja]

The mason pair is unable to verify the town status of eachother.
Mode, one of the pair, possesses the roleblock gun.
We know that this item exists because it was successfully used on Donut on Night 2, and we know that it is in Mode's possession because nobody else has counterclaimed the item!
With this, the town can lynch the implicated Valentia and, if she does not flip scum, Mode can roleblock Slaves in the following night!
Whomever is in possession of Mode's old invisibility cloak can confirm that Mode fulfills her action overnight, providing proof to her claim of townness!

Since Donut, Drake, and Valentia have not claimed yet there still exists no guarantee that Mode targeted Valentia in particular last night!
There IS precedent for Mafia Roleblockers/Doctors fabricating blocked kills in spite of being compelled to kill!  (Gensokyo Workers' Union Mafia)  It is entirely possible for a sequence MODE BLOCKS SLAVES -> SLAVES ATTEMPTS TO KILL MODE to have occurred if they are scumpartners!
Slaves' claim to have not targeted anyone last Night, corroborated by Purvis, validates this theory! As Sock Stealer is a role associated with Pesco in particular and Pescohax didn't flip with it before any item swaps occurred, and considering Slaves conveniently did not use his item means there is no way to validate the verity of his claim, I find his claim to be dubious!
The major hitch in this logic is that Mode claimed that I took an action but was blocked, whereas Purvis said that no action was taken at all!  Of note is that Mode claimed my action after I did, whereas Purvis claimed before Slaves!  Purvis, clarification on the double!
Last, while Mode still holds the Roleblock gun Mode-one-of-two-scum can ensure that all kills go through N4 (i.e. by blocking me) and bring about the end of the game before getting held accountable!  The previous statement is not Red Truth only because it is possible for Slaves to redirect Mode and can be expected to do so if somehow they have differing alignments and both are alive at the end of the day.  The chance of this happening is fairly small but worth mentioning.

With that said, we are in MyLo. If there is only one scum left then there must be a way of three people dying overnight!
One way is the night-kill. One way is through me being nibbled to death (i.e. overtargeted). The third way is the vigbat, which may also serve to explain how there were two deaths N1! Therefore it is possible for there to be only one scum left.
Valentia is most likely to have the vigbat because she claimed not to get an item from the Mystery Bomb, when it seems clear that the bomb was a mass item-shuffle and that she allegedly received the Item Identifier from the N2 swap!

I never had the vig vote, the only items ive had are the bat, the death resistance and the item identifier which i have today on D3

the results of the mystery bomb did not shine down on me as i didnt recieve any kind of item from it.

Valentia has not claimed an Item Identifier result from last Night!  Why not?

However, the nature of the vigbat begs the question of why it hasn't been used if it is still in the game!
There are no further item switchers in the game, so its location should be positively identifiable if it is still in the game!
If the vigbat is not in the game, then there is no way for the one-scum theory to be true!

tl;dr
These claims AREN'T LINING UP ANYWHERE.

Also, if I screwed up rules of truth (i.e. conditionals) sue me now.

In related news Valentia isn't voting the person who obviously presented a contradiction/frame on her if she's town.  >___>

[Ouja]

Oh right, obviousness time.

Mode claims to have blocked Valentia.
Valentia claims to have targeted someone successfully, and has had her claim corroborated by Purvis.

This contradiction COULD be resolved by Slaves' claimed item, but Purvis has also validated that Slaves did not take a successful action last night, therefore it's not possible for Mode to have been redirected unless Slaves and Purvis are scum!

But! There was no kill last night! Scum are compelled to kill! Therefore under the above scenario the kill was either blocked, doctored, or stopped somehow!
Slaves, redirecting Mode, would not redirect the roleblock to his scumpartner or himself!
My night action claim is as follows:  I Pastried Drake last night and nobody came to visit! Therefore Pastry did not stop a kill!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but someone said they had one-shot bulletproof as an item, did they not?  If it's still in the game, it needs to be claimed ASAP.
If all of those are ruled out, Slaves and Purvis are not the scumteam! Thus the contradiction stands, and one of Mode and Valentia is scum!

[DiEnd]

Small problem with the Death resistance Item, that person wouldnt be able to speak if he/she did resist death last night, he/she would only be able to vote and unvote

Oh right, obviousness time.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but someone said they had one-shot bulletproof as an item, did they not?  If it's still in the game, it needs to be claimed ASAP.

[Den-O]

The major hitch in this logic is that Mode claimed that I took an action but was blocked, whereas Purvis said that no action was taken at all!  Of note is that Mode claimed my action after I did, whereas Purvis claimed before Slaves!  Purvis, clarification on the double!
Last, while Mode still holds the Roleblock gun Mode-one-of-two-scum can ensure that all kills go through N4 (i.e. by blocking me) and bring about the end of the game before getting held accountable!  The previous statement is not Red Truth only because it is possible for Slaves to redirect Mode and can be expected to do so if somehow they have differing alignments and both are alive at the end of the day.  The chance of this happening is fairly small but worth mentioning.

Mode claimed you were roleblocked on the night she watched you, IE N2, not the prior night. So Purvis can't say if any action was taken at all since he didn't have the invisibility cloak back then; this was just my clearing your alibi for prior nights.

[Den-O]

Small problem with the Death resistance Item, that person wouldnt be able to speak if he/she did resist death last night, he/she would only be able to vote and unvote

So, if we take this into consideration:

1. Purvis can confirm Slaves did not redirect anyone.
2. Nobody is rasping out vote-only commands, so death-resistant persons have not been harmed.
3. With scum being required to kill and no kill forthcoming, my roleblock on Valentia in these lights is successful, and it seems we have further evidence.

[Ouja]

By the way, I'd like to mention that I still have Death Resistance.

You're welcome.

[Ouja]

Mode claimed you were roleblocked on the night she watched you, IE N2, not the prior night. So Purvis can't say if any action was taken at all since he didn't have the invisibility cloak back then; this was just my clearing your alibi for prior nights.

Clarification.
On D3 I claimed that I was blocked N2.  Then you claimed that I was blocked N2.
On D4 Purvis claimed Slaves took no action N3.  Then Purvis claimed that he took no action N3.

You would also be able to answer whether Purvis would know if his target was blocked or merely didn't take any action.

By the way, I'd like to mention that I still have Death Resistance.

^^^^As in I remember hearing someone else talking about a one-shot bulletproof that wasn't this.  I might be wrong though.

3. With scum being required to kill and no kill forthcoming, my roleblock on Valentia in these lights is successful, and it seems we have further evidence.

Yes we do, but it's not in your favor given Purvis' corroboration.

[Den-O]

Clarification.
On D3 I claimed that I was blocked N2.  Then you claimed that I was blocked N2.
On D4 Purvis claimed Slaves took no action N3.  Then Purvis claimed that he took no action N3.

Alright, so what does this have to do with anything?

I had the cloak, nobody else has claimed the cloak prior to my losing it, I correctly saw Purvis's action, there's no reason for me to fabricate using my cloak to stalk you on that given night. :S

[Den-O]

You would also be able to answer whether Purvis would know if his target was blocked or merely didn't take any action.

oic.

I saw that you targeted Purvis with ##Pastry, but failed.

[DiEnd]

3. With scum being required to kill and no kill forthcoming, my roleblock on Valentia in these lights is successful, and it seems we have further evidence.

Uh Wrong, my role worked perfectly fine last night

well thats what it does but the real name for it is "Hoboverlord"

##Unvote: Valentia

That is indeed the name of my role.

Kneejerk move is to vote Mode but with so many earth-shattering posts apparently on their way I guess I might as well wait.

[Sasword]

Alright. It's still a while until I'm actually back to make that substantial post, but skimming through the last posts a couple things came to mind I thought I'd share.

1. The vigbat nor the doublevote can be used in mylo/lylo situations, which I found out when asking for clarifications about using the vig item.

2. I honestly am having a hard time figuring out how this can be mylo/lylo right now. Four-scum team makes no sense, since we'd have been in lylo on D3. It could have something to do with what Donut mentioned about the nibbles killing him. But even with three town deaths assuming one scum, that still would leave us in Lylo D5. Hmmm.

I'm really itching to share all of what I know, but I think it'd be best to wait until I'm actually sitting down at a computer later.

[Den-O]

Uh Wrong, my role worked perfectly fine last night

I addressed this before; it's not hard to take a shot in the dark and say that Hoboverlord is the role name of, you know, Hoboverlord Purvis.

You, myself, or Slaves is scum. We could have an unknown scum X in this sealed room, too, but given the evidence I still think the safest lynch is you.

[DiEnd]

Well what are the acutal chances that i would get his name correct? not many that seems really impratical of calling out random names for the governor role

[Den-O]

It seems like a fair chance to me. The only people that would be really hard to guess are those that actually don't have a role related to them (Donut) or those that aren't well-established in the forum mainspace (yourself). Speculating on this, though, just edges into meta, so I guess it's up to everyone else to decide on.

[DiEnd]

You, myself, or Slaves

so that leaves 3 of us, why try to downright smack me down first?

you are really really really pushing it on no evidence, except that i just guessed purvis' role name out of the blue you have nothing to prove of it except that my role was blocked and i didnt kill last night. my role wasnt blocked i used my role perfectly fine, twasnt a guess at all. you are just trying to get me killed. so im gonna vote modo as scum tonight.

##vote Easy-modo

[Kiva-la]

I was told I stalked Slaves and "nothing happened". I was not told that Slaves tried to do something and was stopped.

There's also nothing in the item PM to suggest I would be told if the action was stopped or not. Only that I would know who they target and what the action name is.

Valentia, you STILL haven't claimed an Item Identifier result.