Author Topic: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Game Over!  (Read 101331 times)

Ryuki

  • Dragredder
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #300 on: August 14, 2010, 10:12:49 PM »
Just putting it out there that i'm 99% sure that i'll be dropping my vote on Sandor. I'm just withholding in the off-chance Sandor has something useful to contribute before he gets hammered, and the off-off-chance we're horribly mistaken that he's scum (doubt there's anything that can come up changing anyone's case on him, but eh.)

Suwako Moriya

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #301 on: August 15, 2010, 04:26:27 AM »
Vote Chart

Miyako Miyamura (1): Silver Medal
Saki Marimi (1): Shigeru Miyamoto
Shannon (2): Saki Marimi, Razeluxe Meitzen, Miyako Miyamura
Evangeline A.K. McDowell (2): Stuff Man, Stone Mason
Sandor Clgane (4): Saki Marimi, Stephon Marbury, Sailor Moon, Shannon

No vote cast: Sandor Clegane, Evangeline A.K. McDowell, John McClane

10 players alive means 6 votes will lynch. You have about 20.5 hours remaining.
The only thing this dimension does well is show its ass. We might as well applaud it! - Albert Burneko

Well, this game happened.

Decade

  • Decade
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #302 on: August 15, 2010, 12:36:24 PM »
Urgh, this has been an awful day to start with, and that's before Fairy Wars giving me another distraction to deal with. Anyway. Warning: no time, need to be somewhere in like -1 minutes, will be back in 4 hours, will also elaborate on any points that I am asked about then.

First thing I'm a bit perplexed with is Miyako's post shortly after the Steven lynch, mainly because of a fairly convincing case on Sailor Moon followed by a call to lynch me, which is fine, except the reasoning is that it's principally as an informational lynch, but you only really do informational lynches when they're either absolutely damning and have a high yield (if this one does, I sure as heck am not seeing it - at best it will make her more likely to be scum if I do flip scum, but given that she seems scummier, really, eh.), or if you have nothing else to go off of, but that is clearly not the case, as you spend the majority of your post writing up a case on someone else that is actually (at least as far as I can tell) quite decent.

Okay, things to make sense of so far, for today (argh I have to be somewhere in 30 minutes this is not going to be very detailed for now): Miyako: there is a huge difference between voting for someone not on one of the two main wagons near deadline when the people involved are both not-you, and voting for someone not on one of the two main wagons near deadline when the alternative is getting yourself lynched. I'm not seeing how I could get any more blatant here, I am going to bandwagon someone else at deadline if the only alternative is getting myself lynched (and let's face it, do you really think that an alternate wagon could have developed and led to a lynch in that time frame?), then I will vote them regardless, simply because as town the only person I know to be town with 100% certainty as myself (and if I'm scum, the reasoning for why I would do such an action is blindingly obvious, so yeah), and thus to me lynching possibly-not-town is inherently superior over lynching guaranteed town.

Not even going to bother spending any more time on this issue, it is not only a waste of time but also something that seems blindingly obvious as to why it's a bad argument. (As for RL reasons, come on. Seriously).

I'm fairly unnerved as to your claim that the mod lied to you, but that's more of an "oh god what" than anything else.

Further cases: Evangeline is somewhat bad for D2 stuff, but I'm not sure what to make of her D3 stuff. Miyako is not so much my top pick for scum as my top pick for "okay, what?" - she seems to live in a parallel universe or something from what I've noted of her comments. Not terribly pleased about Sailor Moon's claim of waffling, not terribly pleased with her posts either.

Right around this point we get to the Sandor/Saki merry festival of what-the-fuck. I am far more inclined to conisder Sandor as lying ("hit by an ability that makes your action compulsory"? yeah no), particularly because he was low-content, low-volume so far, but he seemed to be a bit on the noob end of things and the little content he contributed was reasonable, so he's been off my radar thusfar.

The problem comes with McClane's post. Having never played in a bastard mod game, and being used to things being nice and internally consistent and generally sensible, I'd normally consider Saki's plan either the most daring gambit, or basically a total slam dunk. Despite this, their interaction still has managed to incriminate Sandor on that basis alone (I will get into this more in a later post, somewhat in a hurry currently). However, I'm not sure how much to make of the role-specific details myself.

The thing about Saki though is that she has claimed an absolutely ridiculous amount of highly specific details here - at worst, she has utterly tied herself to his flip, so on the off-chance that he flips town, it's very likely she's scum. Conversely, Miyako stated that Sandor should also be judged by "traditional methods" - but traditional methods also states that the proper course of action is to lynch the fuck out of him: his posts thusfar have been fairly low-content, low-volume and he also seems to have flat-out given the fuck up right now (though this is more of a nulltell than anything else, and me mentioning this is more just annoyance at him, well, having given up). Honestly, even without this silver medallion nonsense he'd make a passable lynch for today (though before this, I was far more wary of Miyako and Sailor Moon than him), when combined with it, it easily pushes him up to first.

That being said, Sailor Moon's actions throughout the whole of this day bother me, but that is for another post which shall be in a couple hours as I have to go off to attend to the needs of a certain rather obnoxious cook right about now!

Sasword

  • Sasword
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #303 on: August 15, 2010, 03:03:17 PM »
@Shkannon: ... Interesting set of posts, but I have to say that my call to lynch you is not really purely informational; even without the self-preservation thing, I have other reasons, such as your D2 cases which I feel are pretty weak and scummy for reasons I have already stated(which you (or you guys) have completely dropped, adding to my suspicions), and your D1 Sandor vote amidst a Gamzee-Shoe bandwagon tie of 4-4 which feels like a distraction (especially since Mason voted Gamzee that day for no reasoning at all, as opposed to Sandor's vote on Shoe for bad reasoning.) Not voting for Mason for the same reasons you voted for Sandor seemed to me as an attempt to evade suspicion on the next day). Lastly, you never elaborated on why Shoe was so alright on D1 for you to defend her so valiantly; you gave generalities in your defense, but nothing specific.  All of these fit into my idea of scummy play. 

After some thought, I guess I'm willing to drop the self-preservation thing, but the other points still stand in me voting you, and I don't think these could be righted very easily with explanation.

One question I would like to ask is why didn't you vote Mason on D1 instead of Sandor?

---

As for traditional methods, Shkannon's wariness with voting Sandor earlier before today is exactly what I garnered using those methods... he seemed like a newcomer with passable D2 stuff.  But with Sandor not answering any of the many questions today and seemingly giving up completely, I'll have to relent that he is a very good lynch for today.  Especially if he has not given any information to help us in believing him.

Kiva-la

  • Kiva-la
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #304 on: August 15, 2010, 04:08:35 PM »
Spotty internet connection + busy = bad for mafias. Sorry 'bout not being around, thought I'd get more time, not less. My bad.

Anyways, about this huge mess that's turned up, well... it's pretty clear that someone protected Shannon from night actions last night. And to me, that is a scummy power to have. And unless it has some sort of restriction like "can only be used on Town" (which I wouldn't put past even a moderately bastard mod game) that, to me, incriminates Shannon. Will very gladly vote her off tomorrow unless a much more compelling case comes around.

Also, John, you're third on my list for reasons I stated previously combined with your post of pure fearmongering. All you did was defend Sandor in what was clearly a lie; even if he was telling the truth about who he targeted and what his power was, the compulsory bit is a lie and we all damn well know it. You didn't try to make any other cases, you didn't try to accuse him yourself, all you did was defend the possibility that it's all in our minds, and you know what I have to say to that? You being scum is in my mind, too, and I just can't seem to get it out... Will most likely be lynching John after Shannon and Sandor unless, again, more compelling cases come around. Though I'd have to say there'd have to be some pretty damn incriminating evidence.

Anyway, will hopefully be around later to see this through to the end. I believe I have made my stances abundantly clear, and if I die tonight (will likely be Saki, but I'm still scared nonetheless) I would appreciate people fulfilling my dying wishes and taking a serious look at Shannon and John and hopefully, please, killing them. I am convinced they are scum, and it would take a lot to make me look the other way. Like, say, if I were to suddenly become a Confirmed Mason with both of them. That is how sure I am, and I will gladly eat crow for being wrong if I'm wrong, because damn do I suspect them. Actually, no. I won't eat crow. Because that implies I feel bad about killing them off, which I don't. So, yeah. [/broughtoyoubyyourfriendlyneighbourhoodrazeluxemanandthecrimefightingcompanions]

Kiva-la

  • Kiva-la
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #305 on: August 15, 2010, 04:15:59 PM »
EBWOP: It's clear that someone protected shannon last night because we have two people both saying they tried to do something to her and it failed, and unless scum is really that willing to tie themselves down (It's definitely a winning trade for Town, even if only one of them is scum) then we have it confirmed that night actions on Shannon last night failed.

W

  • Heat Joker
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #306 on: August 15, 2010, 04:29:32 PM »
If you guys are already set on Lynching Sandor, then put the L-1 and I'll hammer to gain an extra vote tomorrow. I doubt scum have the manpower to be going all in the way Saki is doing. Sandor going quiet seems like a repeat of Gamzee now.

I think Sandor's flip, if it is scum, should give us insight on the people that jumped off him onto Steven yesterday.

Ryuki

  • Dragredder
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #307 on: August 15, 2010, 04:43:03 PM »
I... don't like the idea of giving someone an extra vote if we can't be sure they aren't scum, and i'm doubly worried that you act like we should just accept this without question. Kinda glad that my vote got ninja'd just now.

And where did Stone Mason disappear off to anyway? He drops a vote on me and just drops off the map. Hell, same with you StuffMan.

W

  • Heat Joker
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #308 on: August 15, 2010, 06:47:41 PM »
I'm not hiding the fact that I can get an extra vote, unlike whoever's been handing out Silver Medals and Shawn Michaels.

I consider you responsible for the Steven counterwagon to Sandor.

Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #309 on: August 15, 2010, 07:14:53 PM »
You're right that we don't know what's up with the Silver Metal.  However, we've got some pretty tacit confirmation that Shawn Michaels was a penalty vote thanks to Saki's information and Sangor not claiming that she was lying through her teeth, which any competent player would do in that situation.  Specifically, it's the night talking she's got me on, since his lack of surprise at that being mentioned, coupled with his not using it, at all, despite claiming some wistfulness at not having enough time to talk.

Count me convinced that she caught something fishy.

I'd drop a vote on him, however, I'd still like to hear him answer the questions about what he's done the previous nights as it'll be useful on the off chance that the case on him is wrong.  And I really don't like how eager Stuffman is to get the lynching vote.  After all, both sides might have triggers they need to fulfill before they can do anything.

On that note.  Since I should make a placeholder vote, might as well put it somewhere useful.  So vote for McClane, he's the right man for the wrong time!

##Vote: John McClane

Ryuki

  • Dragredder
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #310 on: August 15, 2010, 08:25:43 PM »
I'm not hiding the fact that I can get an extra vote, unlike whoever's been handing out Silver Medals and Shawn Michaels.

...and that makes you ObvTown because..? It still makes me feel uncomfortable to just blindly surrender you a double vote.

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I consider you responsible for the Steven counterwagon to Sandor.

I'd hope so, since i'm not trying to hide it and it isn't exactly a secret. His host of scumtells were nulltells after all, but I still stand by the fact that I thought it was the strongest case at the time. And stronger than the case on Sandor was back then.

Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #311 on: August 15, 2010, 09:30:06 PM »
(Star, watch Luna 'til I get back, 'kay? Last time we left her on her own she got the snake lady mad and...well, y'know how that went.)

Uh, hey, guys. Name's Sunny Milk, and I'm a Fairy War veteran! By which I totally don't mean I'm running away from the enemy. 'Cause that'd just be cowardly. Yeah.

...What do you mean it was obvious I was lying? You couldn't see my fingers crossed behind my back!

But, uh, yeah, I'm sorta in hiding right now. Cirno is scary when she gets going, but me and the frog lady have a common enemy in her, so she let the three of us hide here until she gets bored and gives up on the war. She's not that bad, I guess.

Though her hat is kinda silly...wonder what'd happen if I borrowed it when she wasn't looking.

Anyway, since she isn't around, she told me to check up on you guys and keep track of your voting stuff. I don't understand how this is anything like war - why are you talking instead of fighting? You people are weird.

Vote Chart

Miyako Miyamura (1): Silver Medal
Saki Marimi (1): Shigeru Miyamoto
Shannon (2): Saki Marimi, Razeluxe Meitzen, Miyako Miyamura
Evangeline A.K. McDowell (2): Stuff Man, Stone Mason
Sandor Clegane (4): Saki Marimi, Stephon Marbury, Sailor Moon, Shannon
John McClane (1): John McClane

No vote cast: Sandor Clegane, Evangeline A.K. McDowell

There are...lessee, 1, 2...10 of you, so I guess you'd need 6 to lynch. Luna gets to be strong again in 3 and a half hours.

Aw, crap, is that rain? Sorry, I gotta run back inside - rain and I don't go well together. Later!

Spoiler:
This post is solely flavour besides the vote count. Pay it no mind and carry on.

Sasword

  • Sasword
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #312 on: August 15, 2010, 09:40:51 PM »
I have the feeling that all this flamboyant posting is a result of everyone fulfilling some conditions and stuff.  I guess He (the mod) has the whole world in his hands after all.

I don't like how Raz is nulling all scumhunting in favor of rampant role-guessing and stuff like this.  There are a few holes in his theories (e.g Shkannon could have been town and had the ability to reflect stuff automatically or something like that), and I feel that implicating Shkannon on roles alone is rather wonky and awkward.  And it's perfectly fine to express some weirdness at things (I for one, also feel that the compulsory part might not be off the rails for the mod)... painting McClaine as scum for that alone also seems rather forced as well.

W

  • Heat Joker
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #313 on: August 15, 2010, 09:41:41 PM »
I won't be around for deadline and your reluctance to secure the lynch is quite certainly scummy.

##Unvote
##Vote Sandor


Ouja

  • Ouja
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #314 on: August 15, 2010, 09:58:40 PM »
I'm back and my mind is full of fuck for the moment.

I'll just state that I would prefer not to give StuffMan the extra vote due to uncertainty over his alignment. I do appreciate his honesty in the matter, but honestly getting 3 votes extra if we'd let him lynchvote each day means he would've been able to one-man hammer later on, and if that's a scum ability I am rather afraid. :P

RE: Reluctance to lynch Sandor... oh come on. No majority = no lynch. We must have that hammer.

Ryuki

  • Dragredder
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #315 on: August 15, 2010, 10:14:03 PM »
Scummy. Riiight. Whatever you say, StuffMan. :/

##Vote:Sandor

Suwako Moriya

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #316 on: August 16, 2010, 01:20:42 AM »
Phone posting, so little detail.

Sandor Clegane, Scum Crazy Taxi, was lynched by majority!

It's now Night 3. You all know what to do.

Really late edit, but here's the End of Day 3 Vote Chart.

Vote Chart

Miyako Miyamura (1): Silver Medal
Saki Marimi (1): Shigeru Miyamoto
Shannon (2): Saki Marimi, Razeluxe Meitzen, Miyako Miyamura
Evangeline A.K. McDowell (2): Stuff Man, Stone Mason
Sandor Clegane (6): Saki Marimi, Stephon Marbury, Sailor Moon, Shannon, Stuff Man, Evangeline A.K. McDowell
John McClane (1): John McClane
« Last Edit: August 17, 2010, 12:03:13 AM by Suwako Moriya »
The only thing this dimension does well is show its ass. We might as well applaud it! - Albert Burneko

Well, this game happened.

Suwako Moriya

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Night 3
« Reply #317 on: August 17, 2010, 02:15:22 AM »
Well, you guys have done pretty well so far. Things don't appear to be over yet, though. You'll notice last night was quiet? Well...at least she'll always live on in your memories.

Miyako Miyamura, Town Streetlife Serenader, was killed overnight!

Day 4 has begun!

Evangeline A.K. McDowell (1): Silver Medal
Shannon (1): Sunny Milk

With 8 players alive, 5 votes will lynch. Don't forget that you need a majority. No majority = No Lynch. You have 72 hours. Happy hunting!
The only thing this dimension does well is show its ass. We might as well applaud it! - Albert Burneko

Well, this game happened.

DiEnd

  • DiEnd
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #318 on: August 17, 2010, 03:13:36 AM »
Sorry about kind of not existing yesterday. On the upside, since Sandor was p.much guaranteed lynch it isn't a huge loss, but I promised rereads that never came. Time to make up!

We have two flipped scum. Looking for association is a great way to find the other(s?), on top of normal scumhunting. First, I think I'll check Shannon (for obvious reasons).

Her first post doesn't set off any alarms for me. Oh wait, she's voting Sandor when either Gamzee or Shoe will almost surely be lynched. Not that there's anything wrong with that in itself, plenty of time till deadline left, it's possible for a new wagon to grow... although, it also seems like a safe time to place your vote on someone you know is your scumbuddy so you can be like "hay I voted them d1 remember" in the future if they're lynched and flipped, while not actually risking their lynch with the vote itself.

Then her second post[url] is perfectly logical. It also consists of things that are fairly easy to see, the obvious decision of voting Gamzee instead of Shoe (and his lynch was p.much ensured at that point), and it's her only other D1 post. Wait, she only had two D1 posts, the second being something anyone sensible could make? That's not particularly scummy by itself, although it doesn't look great either. Moving on to D2.

D2, she jumps onto the growing Sandor wagon. Yay bussing? Or legitimate townie trying to lynch scum? Well, she did vote him D1 too. Then, again, her second and only other post during the day is a jump onto Steven with nothing else. However, jumping onto Steven is perfectly fine (Not Me instead of Me) plus she said she just got out of the ER, and... well, I'd like to think people wouldn't lie about things like that. Even if you did lie about not being able to play, you could do something less extreme.

[url=http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.msg409842.html#msg409842]D3 time.[/quote]
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Regarding the Silver Medal, I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't have been passed to me regardless of what Sandor did.  It wouldn't have been passed to me regardless of what anyone did really.
Sounds like she's roleclaiming some kind of power that protects her from stuff. Neato.

Her defense and the vote on Sandor are pretty straightforward anyone-in-this-position-should-do-this, so they're boring and nulltell. What she says to Saki sounds like roleclaiming... some kind of investigative role...? It's somewhat hard to tell, with how she words it, and there already one townie rolecop (Saki), but she seems to know at least part of Saki's role.

This D3 post is basically all nulltell unless you want to start speculating the setup, given her seeming-to-be-maybe roleclaims and us knowing (part of) Saki and Sandor's roles. Onto the next one. Oh my, it's large. I need to be going to bed, gotta start school again tomorrow ;_;

Well, I don't see much to say about this post actually (Except for maybe defense of myself), and I don't have the time at the moment to analyze it heavily or do said defense.

In finality, I could see Shannon being town or scum, as I do see good reasons for why scum would do the things she has done, but I haven't noticed actual scumtells either.

G'night people, see you halfway through tomorrow to look at others and give a vote!


DiEnd

  • DiEnd
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #319 on: August 17, 2010, 03:14:21 AM »
ebwop:oh crap I messed up the coding ): Sorry, didn't preview it because I'm trying to rush to bed.

Skull

  • Skull
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #320 on: August 17, 2010, 03:56:24 AM »
John, are yous sure you against the Yasaka Terrorists?

You have been wrong in almost outcome, having the same reasoning as scum in D1, defending a scum hop onto the Town Train D1, being on a Town Train D1, pushing for a mis-lynch D2, being on a mis-lynch D2, and defending scum caught in a lie D3? Furthermore, what in tarnation was the self vote at the end of the day? Did it give you a machine gun to fight off Yasaka? You have been talking fairly clean, but in light of all these flips, is it a coincidence?

Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #321 on: August 17, 2010, 09:12:31 AM »
Pretty sure I'm no terrorist, but the only quibble I'd raise against ya is Day 3, and I didn't state my thoughts clear enough at the time to really expect anyone to believe me.  As for the machine gun, well, I won't say what I was aiming for, but I will say that someone else got to it first.  Namely, I got roleblocked last night.  Though, with my history, I'm not going to speculate as to which team the roleblocker was on.

Decade

  • Decade
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #322 on: August 17, 2010, 10:58:19 AM »
Kanon here. Going to be gone all day again (though will be back in the late evening, and hopefully should be around somewhat more often from that point onwards), so getting this post out now. My other half should still be around to post today, if any questions need immediate answering. Anyway.

First off, answers to Miyako's questions, or at least the ones that might actually still be relevant (there are others that were just silly and what I'm going to chalk up to Miyako being Miyako (i.e. painfully stubborn for no clear reason whatsoever.)):

I actually did start out this reread assuming that Razeluxe Meitzen was likely scum, based on his stunningly wonderful (read: godawfully terrible) play at the end of D3, but going back through his posts they are on the whole not only surprisingly reasonable, but I actually find myself agreeing with a lot of them during both D1 and D2 (yes, even including his accusation of my other half as scum. It was not the best case in the world, but those posts certainly were far too wordy in a bad way. Admittedly, this was due to RL factors that are now thankfully resolved) - his claim about voting for the person you consider the scummiest irrespective of the actual trains around is something that both myself and Shannon certainly can agree with, and quite honestly, trying to pin people as scum because they're not around all the time is aggravating to no end (speaking as someone that has a tendency to not always be around himself, due to various circumstances, both online and IRL, mostly due to scheduling/whatnot).

Anyway, he then goes into what the flying fuck, dude? mode near the end of D3. Apart from posting little (though that is a charge that can be applied to many of us, so it is somewhat excusable, especially considering that Touhou 12.8 ~ Great Fairy Wars came out around the time of D3), his post before the end of the day... it just doesn't fit. Every other one of his posts is reasonable, and considers various rational arguments for townieness/scumminess, and always emphasizes scumhunting over information, and the like, and then out of nowhere he tries to claim that I am scum in need of lynching due to... a role speculation argument. About a role someone else *might* have (it's certainly not a certainty, unless there's something you're not telling us), and used on me that... doesn't do anything that's blatantly scummy to begin with, really, anyway. It's just so, so BAD and so out-of-nowhere compared to all the rest of his posts that nothing makes sense about it.

So in the end I'm actually going to consider him as town based off of everything else, because that last post doesn't even make him more likely to be scum as more likely to be clinically schizophrenic or something. Seriously, I'd love an explanation behind why you thought that line of reasoning made any sense at all, and also why you avoided commenting on the Sandor/Saki mess for almost the entirety of the day (admittedly, he did state that he was quite comfortable with a Sandor lynch and was planning to do so in the immediate future if needed, but I'm still curious on what he thinks of the role-related rigmarole, since he seems to like doing that as of very recently :P).

To answer Razeluxe, Miyako, and everyone else who keeps asking why I think that Shoe's actions don't imply her being likely to be scum: it's due to meta. I know who is playing that account. In fact, it's practically painfully obvious as to who is playing behind that account if you've spent any time here playing in MoTK Mafia games or even just reading them, so I'm amazed that some people can't figure out who Unlimited Rage Works is. Oh well.

John McClane is just "what", and also fairly low in content, and also tried to get people away from voting Sandor D3, which is certainly worrying. Will have to reread him when I have more actual time, grumble. Not sure what I make of Evangeline A.K. McDowell, or Mr.Mason, for that matter, at this point. I think that both Saki and Sailor Moon are likely to be town, though that can still change based on their actions today. Anyone I didn't mention I either still haven't gotten a read on, or haven't had time to properly reread their posts and think about what their alignment could be, based off of their actions, yet.

Kiva-la

  • Kiva-la
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #323 on: August 17, 2010, 02:09:55 PM »
Urgh, yeah, sorry. Every now and then I just hit this weird mental space where everything seems to make sense and it feels like I have everything all figured out. Need to learn to stop myself when that happens. Anyway, please ignore my last post of D3. Like Kanon said, it's just me being crazy.

As for Saki/Sandor role shenanigans yesterday, I'm... not too sure about that. Saki clearly has some form of rolecop power, but it could be one of many crazy combinations, as the mod has clearly proven via Night-talking Bus-driver. Not gonna try to analyze it any more than is necessary, since that was either Saki being clearly town, or Saki pulling one of the gutsiest scum gambits in history, wherein she busses one of her scumbuddies with amazing accuracy, knowing they'll turn up scum, thus earning massive amounts of townie cred and hoping that we wouldn't suspect the power because of Role Madness. (Oh, and I didn't comment on it more because I wasn't really around between my post prior to the mess, and after it. And by the time I'd arrived, it had been pretty thoroughly gone through; only thing that stuck out was McClane, which I did comment on. Aside from that, I said everything I felt I really could add to it.)

Ugh, I can't think right now. Tired. Will be around tomorrow (IRL version) with a lot more sleep under my belt. Also, with more to read and comment on. G'night~

Ryuki

  • Dragredder
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #324 on: August 17, 2010, 09:20:28 PM »
Not much to contribute right now, hopefully will have more later tonight when my schedule frees up a little bit. Though if anyone has questions for me specifically then feel free and i'll try to get to them.

D3 time.Sounds like she's roleclaiming some kind of power that protects her from stuff. Neato.

I can confirm that it's probably a persistent protection ability, as my rolepower on Shannon N2 and N3 failed both times. (and yes, i'm roleclaiming a pretty useless ability here since my repeat attempt N3 was mainly to confirm suspicions).


Ouja

  • Ouja
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #325 on: August 17, 2010, 10:20:37 PM »
Amusingly, Shannon does have an Anonyvote on her regardless.

I've been a bit busy today. I'm surprised I haven't died, actually. Do we all agree there are 3 or 4 scum? If there's 3, I'm fairly sure it can't be McClane if he's roleblocked. If McClane is scum, there must be 4. If he isn't, there must be 3.

Not too fond of Razeluxe's "Lol massive scumgambit" shenanigans. However, willing to pass him the town baton. Reading Clegane's posts, he has attacked Razeluxe quite a bit and said little of people not Shoe, Steven, Raze and Shannon. This is worrisome, because it means he managed to stay off-radar the entire bloody game.

Speaking of someone who managed to stay off-radar...

StuffMan! You appeared before and after I dropped the bomb, and your after has no indication whatsoever of agreeing anything. You were just treating it like an outside business for you, going around asking people if we were going to go with Clegane and asking for the hammer to power up. What was up with that?

In fact, you've wasted all of Day 1 on wordplaying with me, Day 2 has a vote on Shannon and one other post, Day 3 has a vote on Evangeline (and a mention of Sandor, all things fair) and the weird stuff at the end.

##VOTE: StuffMan

Can I convince you to come out early today and start scumhunting? Your case on Shannon was already so non-descript and weird, and I really want to see you stop lurking and start adding to the scene.



As for others, not too fond of Sailor Moon either. I think the way she IMMEDIATELY accepted my story and went about flaunting to Sandor how he was going to go is a bit suspiciously eager. I'll admit I was equally enthusiastic about having caught scum, but at least I knew I was absolutely not lying!



Is anyone else amused Shoe called Gamzee AND Sandor on D1? :p

Ouja

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #326 on: August 17, 2010, 10:21:35 PM »
Er rather, if McClane isn't scum I guess there can still be four. I'll work assuming four scum in mind then, unless someone has better maths for Town:Scum ratios. I've never been good at that.

Kiva-la

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #327 on: August 17, 2010, 10:47:59 PM »
EBWOP (while I'm between naps): I meant to say "shenanigans" not "debauchery," and as for the whole thing about Saki/Sandor shenanigans, that was my long-winded way of saying I view it as a nulltell, though I do lean town, because seriously, that is one stupidly risky gambit to even think about trying. All it takes is one person finding a hole in your story an you've just killed half the team. Blah. Anyway, back to sleep.

Suwako Moriya

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #328 on: August 17, 2010, 10:53:46 PM »
Apologies, a forum word filter was to blame for that. It's been removed for the time being.

Vote Chart

Evangeline A.K. McDowell (1): Silver Medal
Shannon (1): Sunny Milk
Stuff Man (1): Saki Marimi

No vote placed: Everyone else

With 8 players alive, 5 votes will lynch. There are about 54.5 hours left in Day 4.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2010, 02:27:29 AM by Suwako Moriya »
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Ryuki

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #329 on: August 17, 2010, 11:14:35 PM »
I'm surprised I haven't died, actually. Er rather, if McClane isn't scum I guess there can still be four. I'll work assuming four scum in mind then, unless someone has better maths for Town:Scum ratios. I've never been good at that.

I figured the reason you didn't die because you'd be the obvious choice for a doctor to protect. And I was trying to figure out town/scum ratios earlier too. The game archive doesn't help aside from putting 15 players in the ambiguous 3/4 scum zone, with pretty much every game higher being 4+ and every game with less being 3. My gut feeling is three with powerful scum roles to balance it out, but this game has really been making me question my gut feeling so i'm operating under the assumption of four. >_>;

I'm interested in seeing more from Stuffman today aside from inane cases and last-minute chiming in. But i'll put out a prod for something else right now:

##Vote: Stone Mason

Where've you been anyway? Your only post on Day 3 was a prod at me, and asides from that you've been generally low-activity. I know you were 4th on the Gamzee bandwagon D1, but it still makes me wonder.