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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2014, 07:11:30 PM »
NNR clearly didn't know about Bard's results, reading over Day 2.  Which to be honest, is probably a townier move, because crumbing your investigative results for townie cred but then hiding it from your neighbour doesn't make sense. And Bard was pointedly crumbing that he targetted me with something that turned his opinion up on me (so did Sacchi lol you guys make me feel so popular)

For Bardiche to be scum it would also mean the entire scumteam refrained from bussing CF7. And that Bard decided to be friends with his buddies. Which would also be mindblowing. Circumstantially I don't feel like these actions are enough to clear Bard, but I don't really get scum vibes off of him.

I might also be stalling until Dormio gets back to tell me what my magic did.

Remember when Dormio fakeclaimed a restriction after dragging everyone into a QT and Serela was all, "Well I don't even want to think about Dormio scum"? Then I pointed out a flaw in his claim and everybody agreed Dormio should have rightfully won.
Do you feel like Serela should have rightfully won along with you? :D


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2014, 07:13:21 PM »
Oh, oh. Also the fact that Serela kept on apologizing to Sky_Paladin for having a VT pm while thinking he was the scummiest scum to ever scum, when everyone else was like either "no you're fakeclaiming" or "huh maybe this is a town claim" Serela was like "we have to lynch this because"


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2014, 07:14:12 PM »
Shadoweeeeeee come ride the Serelapony.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2014, 07:16:34 PM »
Bardiche stop being defeatist and let's lynch Scumrela.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2014, 07:17:34 PM »
Shadoweeeeeee come ride the Serelapony.
LET ME GET MY MAGIC RESULTS FIRST OKAY


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2014, 07:17:51 PM »
##Vote: Serela


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2014, 07:21:59 PM »
Shadoweh: I'm not sure why I would crumb my role to one person in specific when it's already dangerous enough to crumb your role to everybody for fear of scum reprisal? The less people the better and you made clear you picked up on the crumb.

Conqueror: Do you know how much effort caring is when you feel like you put more effort into this game than the rest? Dan is scummy as all get-out and I am baffled people are giving him so much of a free pass. I cleared Serela at some point to myself and I don't remember why. Serela being Scum would explain at least why he suggests to mislynch me first and then go after Dan in an effort to line up lynches.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2014, 07:29:03 PM »
The counter question to that is why didn't you do it the other way around? You didn't seem to suspect Neko, why didn't you claim only to him and havve him do the crumbing?


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2014, 07:30:03 PM »
Why didn't CF7 claim when he was at L-1? There was literally no reason for him not to, given we know that at least one person was on the opposing wagon. If Bardiche was scum, that leaves two scumbuddies on the countering wagon, and he just gives up? No.
I personally think this is a strong case for Bard!town anyway.
It isn't.

(1)

CF7 (7): NekoNekoRex, Shadoweh, BT, Kingault, Serela, Conqueror, Sky Paladin
Serela (3): Bardiche, Zakeri, CF7

(2)

Timezones. CF7 showed up when most people left and the wagon was pretty much confirmed.

(3)

CF7 was apathetic as fuck.


The rest of the case is fine though. I'll get my own post later today.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2014, 07:33:09 PM »
Also: I'm not sure I like how the "double scum wagons" formed because Zak and CF7 basically threw their vote there for no reason. They could have tried for some other wagon if they thought the case would eventually blow over. I also don't FEEL like CF7's lone vote on Serela was a bus, but I'll make sure when I check the timing of those votes again later.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2014, 07:34:46 PM »
The counter question to that is why didn't you do it the other way around? You didn't seem to suspect Neko, why didn't you claim only to him and havve him do the crumbing?

Because neighbour makes me paranoid as fuck, especially considering investigative + neighbour is pretty damn strong.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2014, 07:36:21 PM »
Because neighbour makes me paranoid as fuck, especially considering investigative + neighbour is pretty damn strong.
Wasn't the neighborhood in NHK a perfect counterexample?

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #42 on: March 18, 2014, 07:53:06 PM »
I could obviously vote Serela at any point

Don't lynch me.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #43 on: March 18, 2014, 10:23:50 PM »
It's ISO time~~~  I'm not looking forward to it because Bard's probably in the top three for 'people who have written a lot this game', zzz. 

Before then, some preliminary thoughts on day 5;

Who to lynch - Pre-iso, I think Bard is most scummy.  However, I note that a mislynch of Dan or Serela is a good mislynch and I'm always happy to mislynch unhelpful or afk players unless actually confirmed town.  When I saw both Dan and Serela auto-sheep on Bard, when I'd just said I didn't have a case and wanted to look in depth in the morning, I was so angry.  After so many people tried so hard it just infuriates me that they think flippant behaviour like this is playing properly.  Ugh.  At least one of them is town and can't use the excuse 'right I was scum so it was some strategy' like Serela did last game.  I just can't see scum!Bard not killing Serela before now, except that the tactical kill of SB was practically demanded. 

If I was SB, I would have jailed Bard last night.  Did he crumb it? 
First post; not Bard. 
Serela.
Bard.
Serela again.
Not Bard.
Straight out says Bard = town.

Nothing else of consequence.  Conclusion:  He blocked Serela last night. 

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Bard:
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Night 1 I tracked Shadoweh, and Shadoweh did not commit the kill.
  I assume Shadoweh can corroborate your statement otherwise you would not have said it.  Still waiting on Shadoweh's Dormio magic too, however. 

Conqueror:
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we're not lynching Bard on the grounds that I'm willing to bet real money that SB jailkept Bardiche last night.
  How much money :3
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Why didn't CF7 claim when he was at L-1?
I think that CF7's role was critical for the scum team.  Without him they are stuck to one kill a night.  I can't see how CF7 would have just laid over and died to prevent a Serela counterbus, because what possible scum role is more valuable than extra kills?  If CF7 had died instead of (other theoretical scum) there would be three or four extra dead people today...and it would be LYLO or game over already. 
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #44 on: March 18, 2014, 10:32:06 PM »
I just realised that SB may have defensively jailed somebody like Shadoweh to protect them from a night hit.  It may explain why Shadoweh didn't get a response from Dormio.  Please let me know if I am smoking crack, Shadoweh. 
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #45 on: March 18, 2014, 10:34:53 PM »
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Night 1 I tracked Shadoweh, and Shadoweh did not commit the kill.

Also, if true (confirmed by Shadoweh), possibly confirms Bard town.  CF7 flipped with an 'evade trackers' hit.  However Bard claims restricted use of tracker; conditional tracker + limited use evade seems a bit hit and miss.  I'd appreciate other players thoughts on this.  OK ISO time.  Better grab a coffee. 
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #46 on: March 18, 2014, 10:44:52 PM »
Dormio sent me a link to a troll video instead of a result. I think it's safe to say I was roleblocked. >_> It's okay it's not like Conq's global RB ruined my superpower the first time too, I DIDN'T WANT TO BE A PR ANYWAYS

Sky P: Uh, yes I collaborate that I did not kill anyone on Night 1? :V Zakeri had no abilities Night 1, so Bardiche being elsewhere doesn't confirm he's not scum, as nice as that would be.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #47 on: March 18, 2014, 10:49:00 PM »
Wait, duh, Bard's the only Tracker in the game, the one that warrants the ninja kill on CF7.

##Vote Serela

Derp.

It could be that Sacchi's role opens up other watchers or trackers but even if that's the case I'm inclined to believe the kill is there as a counter to a definite and not a maybe.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #48 on: March 18, 2014, 11:35:10 PM »
Conqueror:  How much money :3
I think that CF7's role was critical for the scum team.  Without him they are stuck to one kill a night.  I can't see how CF7 would have just laid over and died to prevent a Serela counterbus, because what possible scum role is more valuable than extra kills?  If CF7 had died instead of (other theoretical scum) there would be three or four extra dead people today...and it would be LYLO or game over already.
If CF7 was the most critical scum role, and he was scumbuddies with Zak and Bard pushing a counterwagon on town Serela, I don't see how he wouldn't have claimed something that town would really not want to lynch.
I also highly doubt CF7 could give extra kills; if so, maybe once in the game, certainly not every night. >_> I imagine in the redacted parts of the PMs there are things about no double killing actions.
The possibility of Shadoweh being protectively jailkept is possible. I think right now both Bardiche and Shadoweh are claiming roleblocked? I'm also keeping in mind there's been no scum roleblocker flip yet though. Feels like a role scum would be certain to have.

The Bard being a tracker cleared by ninja point came to mind but I didn't bring it up because it's not really Slam Dunk since ~*gaming the setup*~. But it's a point in favour of Bard.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #49 on: March 18, 2014, 11:36:19 PM »
Oh wait nvm, Bard said his role was prevented by condition. `_`


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #50 on: March 18, 2014, 11:51:50 PM »
He did, which is why I waited to be cockblocked before confirming it. I do not think scum have a roleblocker, because SB was the scum's roleblock.
If anything I would think the last scum is informational. Or a day-voteblocker that doesn't work in LYLO... :V
Bard or Serela are really the prime suspects imo. I don't even suspect Dan anymore because his hanging around comments were all 'lynch Zak plz'


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #51 on: March 19, 2014, 12:06:04 AM »
ISO of Bard;

RVS of NNR, his neighbour.  Relevant because Bard does not do RVS.  Fourth vote on NNR, why wagon your neighbour?  Because it's convenient if their dead, right?  Possible crumbing for neighbour later; he could say "I knew he was active because he posted in our QT."  Pretty scummy RVS in hindsight lol.  But then, "Goddamn I thought you were huh what."
Switch to SB for self vote. 
Inevitable Serela vote.  Did not countervote King for his self vote despite doing it right after SB.  Irrelevant because King/SB both flipped town. 
Case on Serela.  Crumbs neighbour.  Case is that Serela is still jokeposting. 
//Incidentally, noting Conq and Dan voting Zak with CF7 at L-2.  We know Zak flips red, so town points for you two.  Dan voting Serela. 
//Zak case and vote for Serela.  Attempt by scum to bus on not CF7 or Zak.  Relevant because...
Challenges Zak for his Serela vote.  Also starts a back and forth between Serela.
Strong case for Serela lynch. 
Soft pressure on Shadoweh for her CF7 vote.  Not really sure what to make of this post.  It seems like a lot but not much actual concreteness to it.  Start of back and forth with Conqueror. 
(End Day 1 with vote on Serela, with CF7 and Zakeri). 

CF7 (): NekoNekoRex, Shadoweh, BT, Kingault, Serela, Conqueror, Sky Paladin, DrRawr
Serela (3): Bardiche, Zakeri, CF7
Zakeri (1): ActionDan
Shadoweh (1): Sacchi Hikaru
Sky Paladin (1): SB

It looks so bad because Bard put his vote there when CF7 was at L-2. 

Very good analysis post, also ignores the train forming on me.  Scum wouldn't need to avoid it.  This was the post that had me handwaving Bard as town for most of the game.  I also took from this post some inspiration to get away from arguing with NNR and focus on scumhunting, which probably saved me from being lynched day 2. 
//Sky VT claim + hilarity. 
Supports VT claim, note bolded letters supports Bard's later claim that he can't out the entire contents of his role.  Really town post, argues against a quicklynch because discussion = good.  Bard used this post to defend me so it's kind of beautiful that it'll come back to defend him in the long run :)  You can't buy that sort of karma. 
Catches a possible scumslip on Serela.  Who are the 'we' you are talking about, right? 
//Relevant.  Sky was at L-1 for a very long time day 2, while scum!Zak was voting for BT.  Zak could have shifted and quickhammered me.  Why didn't he?  I assume he didn't want to get scum credit for quickhammering a towny but it's probably the best argument for scum!Sky <.<;;  Just throwing it out there because...the other people who could have quickhammered were only Bard, Shadoweh, BT, Conqueror and Shadoweh.  So the other scum was probably already on the bus -> NekoNekoRex, ActionDan, Serela, Sacchi Hikaru, O4rfish.  Pretty much confirms one of ActionDan or Serela at this point imo.  JUST LIKE LAST GAME. 
//Day 2 burn out of players, posting of random images etc. 
Destroys Oarfish for all very credible reasons. 
//Oarfish self destruct. 

O4rfish (4): Bardiche, Shadoweh, Sky Paladin, Sacchi Hikaru
SB (2): O4rfish, Serela
Sky Paladin (1): NekoNekoRex
BT (1): Zakeri
Zakeri (1): ActionDan

^^ Not sure what to make of this.  Bard's vote was early in the day and cut through a lot of bullshit.  Scum!Zak conspiciously absent from Oarfish and SB wagons.  Serela voting with Oarfish on SB.  Bard voting with town.  Probably town. 

(day 4)
Votes for Queen Shadoweh. 
Start of back and forth with SB.  Main points:  Bard tunnel on Serela.  SB scumreads Serela. 
"Where I'm at" post.  Source of Dan > Zakeri sentiment. 
Start of back and forth with Sky over who is NNR's scummy neighbour, Bard claims notscumNeighbour.  Okay. 
Zak or Dan, I care not which you seek. 
//Serela post restriction, better check if she breached it. 
//Queen Shadoweh executes Zakeri, there was much rejoicing. 

Day 1 ignored CF7 wagon.  Handwaving it because he did challenge Zakeri for his Serela vote.  The main problem is that Serela and Zak were the alternative counterwagons to CF7.  So a scum team of Serela/Zak/CF7 had nowhere to go.  A scum team of Bard/CF7/Zak COULD push for a Serela lynch; except that the ones who pushed it were actually Bard and SB.  So this situation seems implausible, while Serela/Zak/CF7 is more realistic. 

I am town clearing Bard.  His indecisiveness over Zak is clearly because he wasn't sure if it was better to get rid of a bottom feeder or somebody he thought was scum, and he wasn't sure which was which.  There was plenty of opportunity for him to get an easy town mislynch on day 2 and MANY reasons for him to not hard-defend Sky as scum. 

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Dan spent a lot of time wishing for Zak's death.  Probably the closest we'll ever get to town clearing Dan this game. 

I'll probably vote Serela, but I want to hit post now and take a short break. 
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2014, 12:41:40 AM »
Conq, you are seriously acting like my wagon had any chance of actually going through? Look back on it and remember how utterly shit it was >_> Two of the people had voted me over what the mod said and were too lazy to unvote after Dormio took it back, even though it was apparently either the only reason, or mostly the reason they were voting me. Zak was on there from middle of the day before I had actually existed. And then there was CF7's lolvote. There was only one vote that was legit at all, and no one present had any apparent desire to lynch me at all :V

And, uh, no, if you think I'm pushing Sacchi then you haven't read my posts today, like the one where I said he's probably town and maybe even soft-confirmed town.

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Also the fact that Serela kept on apologizing to Sky_Paladin
I apologize to people over stuff "in case you're town" on a regular basis I think, although then again I guess it hasn't happened super recently? It used to be a lot more prevalent. The only one that specifically comes to mind is IHNN getting lynched d1 of 10D Mafia.
>Serela was like "we have to lynch this because"
Um, no. I said the claim was null and that we should lynch SkyPaladin because he had done some scummy shit. I stated this multiple times and, you know, there was a reason he was being brutally wagoned and having people talking about quicklynching him before he claimed. I was -the person- pushing SkyPal's lynch all of d1, are you really arguing me thinking we should lynch SkyPal for the scummy stuff he did, is bad? ;_;

Hi Bard. I was saying you and then Dan because everyone else is town, and most of the game seems to agree on that part (at least until a case against me appeared, I apparently was not so wrong in saying "or maybe I'll get lynched")

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I also highly doubt CF7 could give extra kills; if so, maybe once in the game, certainly not every night. >_> I imagine in the redacted parts of the PMs there are things about no double killing actions.
SB said he asked Dormio and that Dormio said "Yes That's An Extra Kill", although he'd have to get off a fifth night action to use it again and still not be the only scum left, so, the game would be over before a second doublekill is possible.

The reasons for clearing Bard as town are good I think, but the issue is apparently nobody wants to lynch Dan anymore, and I'm not sure who else I would pick. If SkyPaladin is Actually Scum then he did a pretty goddamn glorious job of turning things around post-claim, but I extremely doubt it. Conq I admittedly cleared based on the Dreaming God claim, which might be a retarded move, but I still don't really want to lynch him at all. Shadoweh!scum is a lol prospect and that leads to Sacchi probably being town too? That'd leave BT but dude, bt scum, what

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #53 on: March 19, 2014, 12:46:28 AM »
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Conq I admittedly cleared based on the Dreaming God claim

Actually, was there anything that happened today because of it? 
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #54 on: March 19, 2014, 12:50:45 AM »
For the record, I'm very much awake but currently in the middle of class, I'll be back home in 2-ish hours.

I'll make an Actual Post once I get back, Skypal, is there any reason why you're not telling us about your upgrade or is it just for the sake of ambiguity? If it is then don't bother to claim, unless you're an SK or something.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #55 on: March 19, 2014, 12:52:55 AM »
And I doubt Conqueror would know what the effect of his Dreaming God ability had on today.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #56 on: March 19, 2014, 12:53:46 AM »
I think Sky not claiming whatever it is right now is best. We have more scum nightkills to go and no one thinks he's scum at all as far as I can tell.

Anyway I'm going to reread BT at some point (maybe even tonight if I recover from tiredness soon)
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #57 on: March 19, 2014, 12:55:09 AM »
also bard I totally reread and considered your dormio case in Mirai Nikki Mafia I just didn't agree with it and said as much ;_;
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #58 on: March 19, 2014, 12:55:35 AM »
Just a bit of flavour, you can see it at the start of the day. Same as D1.

Serela, even if the basis of your wagon was shitty, how many people are going to want to lynch, say, a claimed cop over a claimed roleblocker?
I concede the Sacchi point although I'm more interested in why you thought he was a null possibility in the first place. His claim that you were saying made him town happened yesterday, not today.
re: apologizing, okay, I'm willing to let that point slide because you did it as Kogasa EVEN THOUGH IT'S STILL SOMETHING SCUMMY AND IF YOU THINK SOMEONE IS SCUM YOU SHOULDNT BE ADDRESSING THEM AS IF THEY'RE TOWN.
Yes, I'm going to say it was bad, given that he started looking noticeably better around after the time after the vanilla claim, at which point you were still pushing hard over his lynch and pointing to his D1. Seeing as scum didn't know the true nature of the double day, they'd be pretty behind with CF7's D1 lynch, not to mention the double day, so I can imagine why they wouldn't want to give up on the Sky lynch so easily. As a side note, Zak pushing BT after the Sky wagon fell through is more evidence in favour of BT!town because bussing at that point would just be a Really Bad Move.

Serela, why do you think Dan is scum at this point even. Feels like you're just being lazy.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #59 on: March 19, 2014, 12:55:55 AM »
And I doubt Conqueror would know what the effect of his Dreaming God ability had on today.
I asked, there was no effect.


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