Medaka Box Mafia - Night 4

[Serela]

el oh el so good at closing tags ;_;

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Shadoweh has become the king. The day will end when Shadoweh uses the command ##Lynch: <Playername>, or when time runs out.

You have ~27 hours remaining.

[Conqueror]

And then Shadoweh became the double king.

Dan who is your character again? I couldn't find them on the wiki.

I want Zak to claim why he didn't shoot a slot like Kingault N1 if he got the vig, since when D2 came around Kingault was still alive I pretty much assumed there was no vig. Forgetting that you have a vig as a backup, even if you get another power overnight, is a pretty unbelievable scenario for me. There's also the issue of a townie getting a buffed vig (with choice of strongman and roleblock(?)) upon a scum lynch. And if SB's jailkeeper is a minus then that's brutal if the scum kill SB for his role. I dunno, it's way too swingy. Shadoweh's point about Zak not using his vig on what he thought was a scum!governor SB is also good. >_> Scum Minus backup seems plausible (something like Dormio's Mirai Nikki role), or he could be just lying. For the record, my ability isn't an Abnormality or a Minus; it's a Not Equal.

The role question is whether Dan is basically a functional vanilla townie given the lack of any claimed inventor roles. I don't think Dormio would put a functional vanilla in the setup, so either there's some method by which he gets actions or there's a scum that gives actions? I assume that if there was a town that gives actions they would have either softclaimed so or targetted Dan given he was asking outright earlier. There's also the possibility that one of my day effects is an activator (since we still have the issue of Sky Paladin's vanilla claim) but uh yeah. I'm wondering what the point is of the apparent once every three days restriction though. Seems like a pretty useless qualifier unless Dan was expected to pick something up.

Maybe they're both scum. Roles are hard. Dan, who do you think is scum at this point?

Also, SB just finished a game where he bussed all of his scumbuddies so yeah.

[BT]

The role question is whether Dan is basically a functional vanilla townie given the lack of any claimed inventor roles. I don't think Dormio would put a functional vanilla in the setup, so either there's some method by which he gets actions or there's a scum that gives actions? I assume that if there was a town that gives actions they would have either softclaimed so or targetted Dan given he was asking outright earlier. There's also the possibility that one of my day effects is an activator (since we still have the issue of Sky Paladin's vanilla claim) but uh yeah. I'm wondering what the point is of the apparent once every three days restriction though. Seems like a pretty useless qualifier unless Dan was expected to pick something up.

Its apparent use is to inconvenience rawr if Dan died so he can't voteblock (and other things?) every night. It actually sounds logical if swingy.

[Conqueror]

Hmm, I hadn't thought of that. It's a pretty plausible explanation.

Zak, is your ability a Minus or an Abnormality?

[SB]

Also, SB just finished a game where he bussed all of his scumbuddies so yeah.

i blame prims and bbm for everything

[SB]

Forgetting that you have a vig as a backup, even if you get another power overnight, is a pretty unbelievable scenario for me.

The kills were Strongman/Ninja/Janitor/Extra Non-Factional kill I think, I had to clarify the last one with Dormio after the flip.

But yeah, forgetting that you had a vig shot is just kind of what, and two backups seems odd. I think I'm okay with Zak getting lynched based on that.

[Serela]

Two backups seems fine, but forgetting the vig -is- weird. That being said from play alone I'm leaning town and I'd rather we deal with the lack of vigging later if necessary.

[Conqueror]

If we're ignoring role shenanigans completely Zak is by far my biggest scumread on play alone.  :derp:

Also, Dan, could you explain the specifics of your role again? After you action once you can't action again -at all- for the next two nights?

[Conqueror]

serela are you scum with zak and is that why d1 was such a mess :V

[Bardiche]

SB, why did you check with Dormio to clarify the contents of a flipped Scum's role PM? What exactly is the motivation here?

We have time to get Zak's explanation but honestly, I can't think of any reason a Townie could have to not use a vig shot. If he's a) scum and b) speaking the truth I similarly can't imagine why scum would abstain from janitor shots.
The claim makes my head hurt, and I think if we just go from play Dan's scummier than Zak, but I still find Zak to be scummy enough that I could support his unequivocal murder.

If nothing else it'll clear up all this nonsense.


Serela, why do you think Zak's play is town.

[SB]

I was confused at what one of the kills were? If it was something specifically meant to counter another role it would mean it was an easy clear.

[Bardiche]

An easy clear of who?

[SB]

On the basis that ninja = town tracker or watcher (usually), there could've been something that confirmed another town role existed.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Could be difficult, gaming the setup, mrgglllrg.

[Conqueror]

You mad, Dormio?

[Bardiche]

So what you're saying is, SB, that you asked Dormio if one of the kill abilities in CF7's flip indicated that Scum had an extra kill? And Dormio confirmed this to be true?

[ActionDan]

If we're ignoring role shenanigans completely Zak is by far my biggest scumread on play alone.  :derp:

Also, Dan, could you explain the specifics of your role again? After you action once you can't action again -at all- for the next two nights?

next 2 phases.  So if I actioned N7, can't action D8/N8.  could action D9

[ActionDan]

also Kiruko Tachiarai is my name.

[ActionDan]

2 scum suspects are again Zak/Bard. 

Zak for misuse of role + Serela vote in lieu of F7 vote and Bard for imo picking at small minutia. 

[SB]

So what you're saying is, SB, that you asked Dormio if one of the kill abilities in CF7's flip indicated that Scum had an extra kill? And Dormio confirmed this to be true?

I asked him what the second ability was and he said it was a vig shot, or something like that. idr the exact conversation.

[BT]

2 scum suspects are again Zak/Bard. 

Zak for misuse of role + Serela vote in lieu of F7 vote and Bard for imo picking at small minutia. 

More or less this.

[Serela]

Yeah that's really the only things I have against Zak too, but that's first-half-d1 vote that doesn't seem completely ridiculous and roleshenanigans versus my thinking all his various d2 play is townie :/

Bard:His reaction to the o4rfish stuff on D2 and posts in general on that day I like and think are town

[Serela]

SHADOWEH THE POWER IS IN YOUR HANDS WHAT ARE YOU THINKING SO FAR

[BT]

Serela, who's scum otherwise? SB is town for a bunch of cropped up arguments at this point including the recent one that he's most likely town for questioning the mod on the flipped scum role (doesn't look like he's scum fishing for credit IMO), Dan could be scum but it's fairly unlikely with the role he thought up (I know this is similar to that one game with Scum SkyPal and the "obviously town" role but I really don't see how that claim could have been derived from a scum role easily and don't think the surrounding "roleshen posts" he's made are fake), Conq is -

Haruhi

...and Shadoweh has Sacchi and SkyPal blackmailed, or something. You think I'm obvtown. I hope you don't plan on making a case on yourself.

[Serela]

Well I don't know anything about what Shadoweh has on Sacchi and whether it is or is not reliable, and I'unno if I believe in those SB clears, even if it's partially just because I don't want to considering I did think of that and that's usually the kind of thing I use to help get my town clears. >> <<

Would it be fair for Dan to seriously have that role as scum? I'm honestly not sure. As in, powering down Rawr when he's lynched. Hrm.

[BT]

Would it be fair for Dan to seriously have that role as scum? I'm honestly not sure. As in, powering down Rawr when he's lynched. Hrm.

That's... yeah, he could have it as scum, but it was pretty sharp of him to immediately react to my ascetic claim if that's the case. Actually, that stemmed from how he thought there'd be a gift giver.

[Sky_Paladin]

I think it's Zak for a couple of reasons. 

1 - Half the players have a scumread on him. 
2 - There's no reason for town to have a second backup that can also conveniently use scum powers when we have an absence of actual players with abilities to be picked up. 
3 - His alleged use of those abilities have been questionable. 
4 - His defense is a fairly ambiguous claim, and left us asking many questions which he has so far deigned not to really answer despite having logged on several times and most recently just over an hour ago. 
5 - No actual scumhunting, fishy votes. 

Lynch for profit imo. 

[Sky_Paladin]

Well I don't know anything about what Shadoweh has on Sacchi

There's enough in-thread evidence to make very accurate guesses as to what Shadoweh and Sacchi are, although I didn't realise it myself until my morning re-read.  I'll assume it's accurate at any rate. 

With that, it actually narrows down the scums to Zak + one other, most likely Bard, as he's claimed Neighbour + unclaimed ability as far as I'm aware. 

[Mr. Sacchi]

Urgh, playing mafia's hard while not being distracted by not!mafia.

Anyway, I finished my reread and... zak has less content than I remembered, actually.

Y'know I rewrote this paragraph three times before realizing I was literally sheeping essentially everyone on his case. The fact that he didn't vote for confirmed scum (though a similar case could be made for myself), the utter lack of content (is this normally him? >_>'') though the reluctance to go on the soft-flipped o4rfish wagon gives him a point.

I don't find it unreasonable for there to be two backups considering one of them is minus-based and the other is abnormality-based, however I do find it weird that town would be given two backups, especially when you consider that so far there haven't really been many useful town-roles. And just like everyone, I question his claim to have gotten the scum's omnikill ability but having, you know, not used it.

Again, I'm sheeping everyone's cases, and though Shadoweh (apparently) already knows my role, I'll take this time to roleclaim just so everyone knows where we're standing.

Hansode Shiranui is my character's name, placed 8th on the popularity poll, "Food Enthusiast".

My power is to target another player at night and "change" their ability, a variation of the Motivator, though I have zero control over what the change is.

I targeted Shadoweh both nights, first because she was my top townread after the CF7 flip (so I trusted she would target scum with her ability) and N3 because I took a good look over everyone that was still alive and I essentially didn't know who else to pick, I thought the D2/N2 Omniblock was because Shadoweh was the roleblocker and my ability made her roleblock everyone (my ability lasts for the following day and night phase), so I assumed that if I got another "omni-target" result on either Serela or SB we would be skipping day phase, BT's Ascetic so that would be dumb, Conq's had claimed hated so I thought "welp maybe that's the only power he has so I don't think I should waste it on him" and then there was zak (scumread), dan (lurker, hinted at being pseudo-VT), Skypal (claimed VT), Bard (don't really remember why I didn't target him actually) and NNR (whom I also have no clue why I didn't target him).