Author Topic: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Night 3 (Student Council Thread)  (Read 103468 times)

ActionDan

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #210 on: December 05, 2013, 06:00:56 PM »
I think it's hardly grasping for trying to vote anybody but sky if I've only expressed interest in voting 2 people.   

and 2ndly I'm not convinced he's town.   

and 3rdly I'm attacking bofh for attacking me.  I don't think his vote on Sky makes him somehow less scummy than NNR.

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #211 on: December 05, 2013, 06:07:29 PM »
and 2ndly I'm not convinced he's town.   
you know I'm trying to lay off saying x is town.

but I think Sky Paladin is town.

I think it's hardly grasping for trying to vote anybody but sky if I've only expressed interest in voting 2 people.
It is when you suddenly suggest going for bofh with about 5 hours to deadline and absolutely no votes on the wagon.

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #212 on: December 05, 2013, 06:08:17 PM »
but isn't he voting raikaria now

not that I like the raikaria vote but
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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #213 on: December 05, 2013, 06:15:12 PM »
And now the thing finally comes full circle. Previously, Sky attacked me for going for Dan. Now Dan is attacking bofh for going for Sky. The scumpair theory is looking more and more reasonable by the minute.

Don't forget Sky attacking me for attacking him for defending Sky. It's a freaking triangle.

Anyway; Sky's not lynched yet and there;s just over 5 hours remaining at the time I am writing this. So let's explain what is so awful about his 'case' [And I shudder to call it that] on me; for those who would be the deciding votes. Let's rip this apart point by point. Get ready because I'm pulling out a freaking Minigun to rip this 'case' full of holes.

They are massively defending Rou, who I believe to be scum. 

1: This is hypocritical. Apparently my vote on Sky has no bearing when I am voting him for defending Actiondan MANY times harder than I allegedly defended Rou.
2: As other people and myself have said; this is outright laughable considering ED1 I was pushing Rou.

They are massively tunneling on me for continued to misinterpret reasons. 

Except I said in the very post I voted I said that PX was bad as well and I would be lynching him if Sky's case and defending of Actiondan was not even worse. So again; this point is null and outright wrong. I only got one vote!


Scumslip about lining up lynches. 

Not a scumslip; especially with the MASSIVE buddying you were doing with Actiondan. And Actiondan seems to be returning the favor now; making the possibility seem even stronger. This is the one argument that could even hold a drop of water; I'll give it that.

When I said "I did not vote for you because 'I am not following the standard template, therefore you are not scum'"disregarded this point, implying that both Rou and Raikaria are scum.

This doesn't even make sense. Look at my post before anyway. I directly address this point and say we have different opinions on what town should be doing. I clearly state that Sky's actions are not helping the town, in fact, they are hindering the town.

To elaborate; from what I can gather; Sky's whole reason for NOT elaborating on the initial case was to try and bait people into pointing out it's flaws as some sort of twisted, anti-town gambit. That's what I get from this 'reason' combined with his initial statement
That will do.

Yeah; that really gives the impression that he was waiting for someone to disagree with him and his loopy logic.

And there are more vote for Raikaria than Rou, who I am not confident I can get a lynch on. 

##Vote Raikaria

After shooting down all his other reasons; this remains. With his other reasons being invalid; his case becomes this:


Then you factor in:
1: I have a few votes on me anyway and Sky was a major wagon [Disguising Not Me over Me]
2: I am voting and pushing Sky. [OMGUS]

Sheeping, NMOM and OMGUS? It's like he's attempting to tick all of the scummy vote habits at once. While attempting to hide them with layers of flawed and outright hypocritical logic.

Sky hasn't done a single thing that looks town all game either. I've already ripped into his 'Rou is scum because I think he's scum I'm not telling you why. By the way the guy he's voting isn't scum. Really. He isn't. And I'm totally not voting Rou for voting this guy I'm defending. Really. But I'm not gonna tell you why. By the way did you hear Actiondan isn't scum?'; which was a hilarious pantomime.

But wait; let's look at his follow-up posts!

Secondarily:

If Rou and Raikaria are so confident that I am scum because I am (allegedly) defending Dan, why didn't they vote for Dan? 

This is dumb because while Sky being scum makes Actiondan look bad it's not 100%, and it's also passing the buck and it gets even dumber with his next sentence.

If Dan was town, why would scum defend him? (Never mind that is exactly what I did in the previous game :D But that was because I knew for sure he was the miller.) 

Dear lord talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Finally:
The aim of MY game is to identify the scum and get them killed through any means possible.  We are playing to different objectives, therefore, of course my style appears 'lame'.  I'm prepared to die to achieve the town goal.  Are you?

Using logic used against me: How would you know this if you are town? To know this you must not be town to know my objective is different to yours. I was talking about methodologies to reach the objective, and even then, in the perspective of 'Town' not myself.

This is a massive potential scumslip; as Sky just admitted he has a different objective to me, which he couldn't possibly know unless he was 3rd/Mafia.

We're not voting a lurker when the scummist thing I've ever seen is sitting right there.


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #214 on: December 05, 2013, 06:16:16 PM »
but isn't he voting raikaria now

not that I like the raikaria vote but

Yeah but I feel like this post comes off as 'if you don't like nnr but feel bad for voting a lurker, go vote bofh instead! it makes more sense than voting someone who's actually been legitimately scummy.'

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #215 on: December 05, 2013, 06:18:11 PM »
Cut by more Actiondan buddying and grasping for a lurker lynch.


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #216 on: December 05, 2013, 06:48:58 PM »
OK I just felt the need to mention something in the rules that no-one has brought up yet:

Quote from: Kilga
- Whenever town or scum forgoes their faction kill (the lynch, in town's case), the other faction gains a bonus faction kill to be used during the next phase only. This bonus kill, if not used, will not be given back to the first faction in the sequence.
In other words, if we don't get a majority vote on someone by the end of the day, scum will get two nightkills. This is very bad and pretty much makes any lynch preferable to no lynch.

ActionDan

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #217 on: December 05, 2013, 06:56:31 PM »
if deadline comes I'll vote Sky over Raikaria.

not before.

And bofh isn't just a lurker.

He's scummy.  And you have not acknowledged that idea at all.

Don't lynch me.

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #218 on: December 05, 2013, 06:59:32 PM »
I will tell you the same as I told Sky: Convince us.

It would take something truly damning in that single post which I have overlooked to change my mind from all the flaws that Sky has had though.


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #219 on: December 05, 2013, 07:00:29 PM »
And bofh isn't just a lurker.

He's scummy.  And you have not acknowledged that idea at all.
Why?

BigBangMeteor

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #220 on: December 05, 2013, 07:02:28 PM »
Someone (Prims?) asked why Sky is worse than NNR. Because NNR has made one scummy post and then flaked, while Sky has been consistently here voting Rou for just pushing someone hard. Pushing someone hard is more townie than scummy half the time because scum don't want to tie themselves to a mislynch in that manner. Rou has made like a whole bunch of posts since then, but still, all Sky is doing is saying "you're scummy for an over-zealous push against Dan", with a hint of "you're misrepping me" thrown in. If Sky really thought Rou was teh superscumz, he would be going through all of Rou's posts and saying why those posts are scummy. Instead he's just sticking to the same barely-out-of-RVS reason for his vote. His defence of "I'm town because I'm defending someone" is shit because even if scum don't want to be super-buddies with each other, scum defend town all the time because:

a) That person feels better about you for the most part.
b) You avoid tying yourself to their mislynch.
c) Defending someone whom you know is town is much easier than digging up reasons for why they're scum.

I think his "I AM WILLING TO DIE FOR TOWN'S MISSION" is WIFOM because he should know that flipping town doesn't automatically make him correct about anything.

Bofh may be scummy, but he is also a lurker. We're not lynching him or NNR off just one post.

ActionDan

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #221 on: December 05, 2013, 07:02:39 PM »
I can't convince you if you didn't read the post.

Especially if you think NNR's post is just 'eh'.  You'll have the same reaction that bofh's.

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #222 on: December 05, 2013, 07:04:14 PM »
Serious Bananas replaces CF7, effective immediately. If anyone reading is willing to replace NNR, let me know.
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ActionDan

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #223 on: December 05, 2013, 07:04:30 PM »
right.  I've made 2 votes.  One was on Prims for RVS, the other was on Neko and I borrowed BT's reasoning.  'not even close to a lynch' - sounds slimey.

trying too hard to appear town is most definitely a fallacious reason to attack someone for being scum.  Because it suggests you see behaviors that town would do.  town behavior ==> scum doesn't make sense unless you go into why the apparent town behaviors are scummy which isn't done in this post.

@Roukan.

there's your WHY. 

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BigBangMeteor

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #224 on: December 05, 2013, 07:06:54 PM »
Trying too hard to appear town is a legit reason for voting someone. There is actual townie behaviour and then there is trying to emulate certain characteristics of townie behaviour without actually scumhunting, which is what I read Rou's vote as.

ActionDan

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #225 on: December 05, 2013, 07:13:43 PM »
that's dandy but without elaboration that 'trying too hard' reason falls flat on it's face.

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FinnKaenbyou

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #226 on: December 05, 2013, 07:17:16 PM »
OK, here is how I read the Alice post with how it talks about you.
Quote from: Alice Lurkatroid
Not really a huge fan of the number of people clearing ActionDan based almost entirely on meta. Between trying to look too hard to appear town, giving awful reasoning for votes, being really reactionary when voted to not even that close to a lynch, and the fact that he... seems to have somewhat disappeared since, I'm strongly inclined to think that he's a pretty solid target for today.
Trying too hard to appear town - your constant arguing in ED1 that you are definitely town rather than trying to actually find scum.
Giving awful reasoning for votes - 'let's vote bofh near deadline because he made one post with problems I'm making up on the spot'
Reactionary - I pretty much already made this case about you earlier.
Disappeared since - You really haven't done much in terms of scumfinding, you've done more to argue why certain cases (read: Sky) are bad than actively trying to pursue your own and give decent reasoning.

Also something I want to mention as an aside - if Sky flips scum, another person who probably needs looked at D2 is Serela. Also pushed to fulfill the Dormio role without stopping to ask why, jumped very quickly on the PX bandwagon as soon as BBM mentioned it, wrote off the early Dan pressure as 'silliness', mentions frustration with Sky's play but still never shows signs of actually considering the possibility he is scum, and repeatedly pushes for the alternative NNR wagon.

Serela

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #227 on: December 05, 2013, 07:20:36 PM »
Quote
Also pushed to fulfill the Dormio role without stopping to ask why, jumped very quickly on the PX bandwagon as soon as BBM mentioned it
Dormio had 3/5 and it looked like he was quickly going to get some more regardless of whether I was going to help or not. At that rate, someone would accidentally say more of the words within the next few game days, so I figured I should just get it over with.

And, uh, PX bandwagon. I was the second vote there? I had a reason why I was voting on it? It's not like there was anything else to look at yet because rvs was just barely ending?

I've acknowledged SkyPaladin might be scum and can grab quotes of that if you really wanted me to, I just also said I think NNR is more likely to flip scum then him.
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Raikaria

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #228 on: December 05, 2013, 07:25:38 PM »
At that rate, someone would accidentally say more of the words within the next few game days, so I figured I should just get it over with.

Like I did.

Not actually got much to add. Just felt like saying that :/


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ActionDan

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #229 on: December 05, 2013, 07:25:53 PM »
OK, here is how I read the Alice post with how it talks about you.Trying too hard to appear town - your constant arguing in ED1 that you are definitely town rather than trying to actually find scum.
Giving awful reasoning for votes - 'let's vote bofh near deadline because he made one post with problems I'm making up on the spot'
Reactionary - I pretty much already made this case about you earlier.
Disappeared since - You really haven't done much in terms of scumfinding, you've done more to argue why certain cases (read: Sky) are bad than actively trying to pursue your own and give decent reasoning.

Also something I want to mention as an aside - if Sky flips scum, another person who probably needs looked at D2 is Serela. Also pushed to fulfill the Dormio role without stopping to ask why, jumped very quickly on the PX bandwagon as soon as BBM mentioned it, wrote off the early Dan pressure as 'silliness', mentions frustration with Sky's play but still never shows signs of actually considering the possibility he is scum, and repeatedly pushes for the alternative NNR wagon.

what a joke.

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Serela

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #230 on: December 05, 2013, 07:27:37 PM »
tbh dan has a point there
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ActionDan

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #231 on: December 05, 2013, 07:34:40 PM »
post it up SB

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #232 on: December 05, 2013, 07:39:57 PM »
what a joke.
tbh dan has a point there
Yay for both of you saying 'you're wrong' and neither of you bothering to explain why!

OK I think we have about 4 hours to deadline. Who is around?

BT

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #233 on: December 05, 2013, 07:42:10 PM »
I'm about to be. No one's claimed yet I assume.

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #234 on: December 05, 2013, 07:44:37 PM »
Since Edible is a jerk, I calculate we have about 3 and a half hours left? Which means I won't be back from work before deadline.
Which would make it a bad time to try and lynch bofh. :V Dan is still my waifu, Sky P should claim and/or get lynched.
As Rou pointed out let's please not make this the first game we give the scum two nightkills.


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FinnKaenbyou

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #235 on: December 05, 2013, 07:46:03 PM »
No claims so far. The only people really in a position to be lynched atm are Paladin (who isn't around), NNR (who also isn't around) and Rai (who really isn't close enough to be at the point of claiming). In this position I really think Paladin in particular has to claim something.

BigBangMeteor

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #236 on: December 05, 2013, 07:50:03 PM »
I'm here on and off (studying) and will be here for deadline.

Serela was actually one of my stronger townreads, so Rou's case on him made me reread him. And then I realized that Serela hasn't actually scumhunted, at all, since his NNR vote. He has some RVS stuff and then after that he's basically parked NNR the entire day and just posted a lot of logic. And the logic is fine for the most part (which is why I was initially townreading him) but it's not actually scumhunting.

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #237 on: December 05, 2013, 07:53:05 PM »
My scumhunting is "I don't think Raikaria is scum and I think NNR is more scummy then SkyPaladin"

I guess that's kind of a limited scope, true!

but to be honest most of the other people I'd consider lynching in the near future haven't posted anything worth caring about in a long time >_> At least with the 48 hour d1 in mind
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ActionDan

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #238 on: December 05, 2013, 07:59:58 PM »
My scumhunting is "I don't think Raikaria is scum and I think NNR is more scummy then SkyPaladin"

Hey what a coincidence that's mine too

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ActionDan

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #239 on: December 05, 2013, 08:03:31 PM »
Yay for both of you saying 'you're wrong' and neither of you bothering to explain why!

OK I think we have about 4 hours to deadline. Who is around?

hey maybe that's because it's so laughably flawed.  You probably should reread the thread if you can't understand how your expansion on bofh's reasons for finding me to be scum are either chronologically out of sync with when he made the post or otherwise made up shit

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