Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)

[Paperblade]

Yeah but then you said you'd lynch him over me and I don't really get it.

I think Rai is town because he's being dumb and people are giving him shit for it, and I think it's more likely that he's town that's going to get lynched because he's not defending himself well. However I think it's more likely that he's scum and is actually flailing than that you're scum.

The Rai wagon still sucks though

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I think Rai is town because he's being dumb and people are giving him shit for it, and I think it's more likely that he's town that's going to get lynched because he's not defending himself well.

Why does this apply to Rai but not CF7?

[BT]

I think it's also reasonable that the scum-controlled insomniac will go to scum so that the additional content produced is moderated, and to not give a townie additional cred (going off of your claim that townies use it to good effect). Dunno, I think this chat should go on after the flip in any case.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Crazy-ass conspiracy theory: CF7 is Yuki and that's why he can't claim his role.

[Paperblade]

Why does this apply to Rai but not CF7?

I see scum intent in things CF7 is doing but don't see it in what Rai is doing. Rai is a leading wagon because he made a fool of himself early and then defended himself badly, CF7 is a wagon because he's scum and isn't trying to help the town

[BigBangMeteor]

Reread Conq's case on BT and changed my mind on Conq because his frustration reads more like the one I experience sometimes when some players (mostly Prims and Paperblade) seem to be able to catch me as scum on some dumb meta/gut thing that is just impossible to defend against. In the end you just get mad because it's such a dumb argument to face but you can't really do anything about it and it's also correct.

That being said I still don't like the Raikaria wagon. ##Unvote, ##Vote: CF7

better than Raikaria IMO

[Kilgamayan]

##Unvote, ##Vote: Raikaria

CF7's reaction to getting massive negative attention was more efforted and self-explanatory and less AtEish.

In before Prims gets cold feet because I agree with him

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

In before Prims gets cold feet because I agree with him

(:smug: remark about scum telling us why scum are scum goes here).

Kind of have cold feet on Raikaria for other reasons but think he's scummier than every other lynch wagon regardless, so unless somebody wants to powerwagon Conq with me idc.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Reread Conq's case on BT and changed my mind on Conq because his frustration reads more like the one I experience sometimes when some players (mostly Prims and Paperblade) seem to be able to catch me as scum on some dumb meta/gut thing that is just impossible to defend against. In the end you just get mad because it's such a dumb argument to face but you can't really do anything about it and it's also correct.

Yeah this is exactly what I mean when I say him being offended by people disputing him is scummy.

[Kilgamayan]

"More efforted and self-explanatory" = CF7's reactions to getting called on a craptastic piss-easy vote were an actual thought process (as broken as it is) while Raikaria's reactions to getting called on a craptastic piss-easy vote were more or less "but look at that terrible logic!!". Also I look back at my stated reasons for my CF7 vote and they feel more like a vote against bad play than a vote against scum.

Cut: My untrustworthy self will follow you to the ends of this game just to get my revenge for Day 4 of Adorbs Mafia ヽ(゜▽゜ヽ)

[BT]

Crazy-ass conspiracy theory: CF7 is Yuki and that's why he can't claim his role.

falls under the category of "nasty modifier" nicely  :V

re: things
The scum motivation in Raikaria's play is that he just votes the obvious CF7 "what just happened" post and poof goes his commitment to actually come up with something. I have no idea what he thinks besides that CF7 is bad and he just goes "whoops" when he flips town. Add to this that yes the rest of his play is 'bad' as in there's nothing townie to be found.

CF7's claim is the main pause for me because otherwise I think his contribution isn't all that different from Raikaria's but huhwhat seems to have this under wraps so go talk to him.

[BigBangMeteor]

idk anymore but I just have a gut feeling that Raikaria is not scum

I am in a powerwagon mood after Kirby so I could go for one on Conq but I don't think that there are 6 other people ready to vote him.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Yeah unfortunately.

Hey BBM, what do you think about SB? I kinda get a feeling he's scum but don't really have anything strong on him.

[Kilgamayan]

I'd prefer to not dash to a lurker with 3 hours to go, but SB or Paperblade biting it wouldn't be the end of the world I guess.

[BT]

I have this

I've had some gut feeling towards SB since that one post he made. That he'd find something incriminating to say about all of the occurrences and have the capacity to form a rank list at that point feels artificial. It's also arguments like "Raikaria avoided dropping a vote" that make me think this way because he could have said the same thing about me. Which suggests that he focused on the focus and on delivering arguments on that front only.

(the post in question)

and how his other post isn't that impressive either and kind of avoids giving Raikaria a serious look-see when you come down to it.

Not too strong but there.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I wasn't suggesting we turbo SB, just asking a general question.

I think Paperblade is town for gutmeta reasons.

[WHMZakeri]

My entire skull aches right now and I don't know why.

At this point, pre-obligatory wagon based rereads, CF7 is leauges scummier to me than the other two. My vote on BT was for pressure and I'm pretty sure he's been responding to some things (at least lately) in an information gathering manor. ##Unvote: BT
I also still think Raikaria is town.

notanedit: I don't think I'm going to power through a full reread before deadline. I'll get this out there while I'm working on it and if all else fails, I'll vote CF7 before going to bed/deadline (whichever comes first).
Cut by BT becoming less of a wagon without my input, I guess.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

In fact killing off SB without a claim is a very bad idea given his softclaims. But his play seems a little off to me idk

[BT]

it's pretty amazing that this D1 is already one of the biggest we've had and it's 48 hours long

sorry paperblade!

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Explain town!Raikaria in light of his more recent content, Zak.

[WHMZakeri]

blank unvote is due to rereading, but I might as well throw in that CF7 should be considered at L-1 at this point.
Also, if people are willing to quickwagon Conq (or less likely, Dormio) I'd be happy to help make it possible.

Cut: I can't because it requires looking more closely at his recent content than I already have.

[WHMZakeri]

Addon- I'm willing to drop the townread if I can't find a suitable answer though.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Yeah I want to say that Dormio is probably scum if Raikaria is town. Lining up lynching but I'm obvtown so what're you gonna do about it.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Notably furious confirmation post.

scummiest post bt has made all game, why would he be mad unless he rolled scum for the 400th time in a row :/

[BT]

The Return of Modscum Votecount

CF7 (5): Raikaria, Selerey, Serious Bananas, Paperblade, BBM
Raikaria (6): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, BT, CF7, huh what, Kilgamayan
BT (2): Conqueror, Schezo

Not Voting (0): Zakeri

holy shit Shadoweh just post some votecounts

so how is CF7 at l-1 again

cut by holy shit I literally don't remember what my last scum game was

[BT]

also if schezo left his vote on me after this post

Why don't you iso BT and go see what you missed? 

But.  The only thing confirmed about this role is that it curses someone.  He implied it allows nightspeak but it could also be a delayed kill in which case Raikaria is joat and wants another night to do stuff.  Coronation is a red herring me thinks.  This a scumclaim btw.

I'll be mad

[Conqueror]

Conq's BT case is literally "I think CF7 and Raikaria are both town, which means BT must be scum taking advantage of them". Nevermind that BT voted Raikaria before CF7 did. There's seriously no substance to Conq's suspicion beyond a defense of Raikaria.

Now you're just twisting my words because I already talked about this. BT's vote on Raikaria was taking advantage of the jump on Serela, not on CF7. Then when Raikaria moves to CF7 Raikaria is suddenly going for the easy vote, never mind that BT was going for the easy vote in Raikaria.

The argument that BT did nothing until Raikaria put his foot into his mouth doesn't mean much - having trouble reading people and doing nothing all game does not make you ineligible to find other people who are doing nothing scummy, and even ignoring that, Raikaria did the exact same thing with his CF7 vote, and BT was at least keeping up with the thread and trying to read people, even if his scumhunting was bad.

This is my fucking point. Both of them didn't have much to their name until they saw something scummy and jumped on it. Raikaria's voting CF7 makes a lot more sense from a town position because if I saw someone pushing that kind of bullshit on me I'd vote them to day end. BT voted Raikaria for doing something weird and his reasons for finding Raikaria scum just keep morphing from there. BT's making side comments on other people means absolutely fucking nothing because it's something he does as either alignment, especially since he doesn't come to any concrete conclusions. The most I can see is a handwave of CF7.

I also really dislike how he jumped to the conclusion I think BT is town because I'm paranoid Conq is scum, which doesn't flow logically in response to a post where I was saying people who think BT is scum should read his posts, meaning I think BT's posts are town.

Dude, you were basically calling me scum with Raikaria. You're swimming in confirmation bias at this point about BT's posts.


Making more posts but getting this out there,

[Conqueror]

fucking quote tags

[Shadoweh]

1.10: Never End Your Impatience For Votecounts

It has been ONE HOWAH. And 30 posts. Holda your Hories!

Raikaria (6): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, BT, CF7, huh what, Kilgamayan
CF7 (5): Raikaria, Selerey, Serious Bananas, Paperblade, BBM
BT (2): Conqueror, Schezo

Not voting: Zakeri :<

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 2 hours and 19 minutes remaining.
Day End Countdown

[WHMZakeri]

Yoshino wall on Raikaria is well... quite nitpicky. Not sure what to make out of this, but likely not town. On the other hand his wall about Serela is quite good, so he might be town.

What about the Serela wall is good enough to be town despite being suspect of the wall on Raikaria?
your reads from the same post are contradictory, in part because of their vagueness. Particularly, you suspect Serela and HW of being scum faking a mason claim, and then punish Raikaria for doubting HW's claim enough to test a Serela lynch. This leads me to believe that your punishment is actually intended for the part of Raikaria you quoted that didn't have to do with Serela, which is where he calls you lurkerscum. This has really bad implications.
Comments that Raikaria is SK. So you know he's not mafia then? If so, why SK hunt this early when there's plenty of mafia around anyways?

If CF7 comes on, I need him to comb through his own posts and rewrite his case on Raikaria. He even admitted it was worded poorly, and I don't see this case; specifically the SK part; coming out of the mouth of a townie.

Rereading Raikaria now
also, ##Vote: CF7 since I trust BT's ability to count more than I do my own. (I thought both of them were at L-2 when I posted)