Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)

[NekoNekoRex]

Notepad the notening part 2

starting from 219

I think I got later on that Zak is probably town or an SK with his attempted CC, so I guess I'll read his posts with a grain of salt or something. Probably the former because an SK wouldn't blatantly out themselves like that

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Man I can see why Raikaria really wants Serela dead. She really has been dead weight so far. Regrettable he's a mason and I can't have one of them lynched until later.

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More Dormio posts that are long and also long and :tryhard:. It doesn't even have a read at the end, just a "I dunno"

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Who is Paperblade voting again

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"Fight me", Shezo?

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>Raikaria post
>starts posts with "let's address things regarding me
oh boy

Lol he's responding to Dormio's post. I would honestly have just brushed it off, that's a bunch of nitpicky shit he's addressing

Oh, actual scumreads, FINALLY
Pretty barebones, though. Actually pretty bad. Who does he think is scum? If I hadn't already posted later I would still want to be voting him from this point

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BT post
Continues to have no scumreads, but still manages to make good posts

Wait this is followed by my post
Which means there's 200 more posts of content that I have no idea about
fuck

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BT having a point that Serela's play is just being lazy because masons, is understandable but not enough to let me outright ignore Serela.

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I can't tell if Rai is just dense about "don't lynch masons D1" if it's scummy he's pushing it so hard.

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Ugh flavorplay is so stupid that I have to mention it again

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Dormio are you going to give conclusive reads to anyone you make a text wall on

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Ridiculously weak Cf7 post
It's all one linerss
I mean come on, there's nothing there. Like, no thought at all. Ugh

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>clearly OMGUS
:/
Clearly not helping your own case

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Raikaria switches votes to Cf7
"No effort"
Yes okay reason there
"OMGUS"
lolno, try harder

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Satisfying Dormio vote from Kilga. Dormio getting called out on his shitposting is good.

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switched back to Cf7, aww. I was hoping Dormio would get more pressure, although not a bad vote.

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Okay vote by BBM, BT has been rather weak in the scumread department, but I think his play has been okay regardless. There are worse people imo

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Shezo post
Okay actually a Raikaria scumwagon is pretty plausible, I'll admit. Cf7 suggesting Raikaria is simply the SK and trying to lynch him is also bad bad bad and I wouldn't have noticed. This post makes me want to switch to CF7 tbh
On the other hand Schezo could be scum trying to get people off Raikaria though, he isn't too good as far as my gut.

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People don't want you dead because you're lurking, CF7 (at least I hope not), people want you dead because your reads suck

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CF7

* NekoNekoRex dons tinfoil hat

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>you should see what it does later
wow Raikaria how ominous, this mysterious nature you've conjured completely makes me want to move my vote off you right now
(that's sarcasm)

Well at least he's sticking to his guns with that vote. That's a plus I guess

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Kilga
Wait I missed the part where it really was OMGUS, let me scroll back
...
Well hot damn. Guess he IS that bad.

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CF7
TinfoilhatTinfoilhatTinfoilhat

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Worthless Serela post I'm not going to bother reading

More serela

More Serela

More Serel- oh wait he mentions me

I think someone forgot I was voting Raikaria
understandably I haven't had much to say on him lately
i guess the yelling at him about the masonvote thing was kind of talking about him tho
I still want him dead

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Vaugeclaim from CF7
you should probably actually clarify on that

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Oh it's a role PRed against claiming it, ugh

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You know you probably would have done that gambit better if you didn't also paint yourself as a giant lynch target

Can you believe I still have 4 more pages to go

[Conqueror]

I remember Scum!Raikaria in Rewrite bragging about using his meta to his advantange or some shit. What if Raikaria did it because he would have done it as town? He's both entertaining a Serela lynch (which was an OPTION before the claim) and buying potential "this is stupid as scum" defenses in the future. Oh look. The bottom line is that his actual contribution outside of stupid cc-related profit lynches is nothing and the CF7 vote is enough for him to just stop. If you think the lone CF7 vote for an obvious bad post is enough for the second half of D1 I don't know what goggles you're wearing.

There's a difference between scum going for the batshit cases for towncred (like in Rewrite when huhwhat gave Raikaria towncred for the dumbest stuff) and legit town paranoia. And if Raikaria would have done this as town, then congrats, you've just presented a case for town!Raikaria. Problem is that you've been viewing everything through the lens of scum!Raikaria and I don't see any evidence you're seriously considering any alternatives besides lolrolespec, like you've already come to the conclusion that Raikaria is scum before you made the case.

Do I think Raikaria's CF7 vote is an obvious bad post is enough for the second half of D1? It's dumb as shit, but it's more silly than scummy? Do I think your Raikaria vote for an obvious bad post is enough for the second half of D1? Fuck no.

I think you're rushing to call it a slapfight just to indirectly argue for my lynch. "Trying to take advantage of the situation" my balls. Where's your case?

Okay, if you're not taking advantage of the situation, riddle me this. Why vote for Raikaria now instead of earlier? You've made  the point that you don't usually hang around with an empty vote as either alignment, and I'll grant you that your reasons for not voting were probably non-alignment indicative. If you wait long enough to vote you're bound to eventually find a post bad enough that it lets you jump onto the wagon with few repercussions because everyone can see it's bad. You made a point about suspecting me, SB, and Schezo, but then you jump on Raikaria, and that only after huhwhat jumps to a Raikaria vote?

[NekoNekoRex]

Wait you mean /me commands actually work

* NekoNekoRex is amazed

[NekoNekoRex]

Still 5 pages from the end of this but so far I want to lynch between Dormio, CF7, and Raikaria

[Paperblade]

it's pretty amazing that this D1 is already one of the biggest we've had and it's 48 hours long

sorry paperblade!

You better be sorry

Prims would you support a last minute Yoshi lynch

[Conqueror]

Anybody pushing "Raikaria wouldn't do irrational things as scum" is silly because he last rolled mafia in Rewrite, and his entire play that game was doing irrational things as scum.

Didn't read Rewrite closely but pushing a policy lynch on the confirmed third party is in a different league from trying to lynch claimed masons, sorry. Not even close.

Like he literally voted over several bullshit paranoia cases that had no case of taking off in that game. There's precedent for him doing dumb shit he can't actually push when rolling scum.

Orly? Show me what you're talking about.

Also Conq's opinion on BT during the vote post was just "he's acting uncharacteristic" so BT's response was justified imo. The BT vote has basically been a park up until now which strongly implies Conq ran out of voting options and is BSing up a case now that it's deadline.

Actually if you read my vote post I didn't have a stated opinion on BT iirc. I didn't think Zak was worth voting anymore and I thought BT was vaguely scummy so I went there. Don't know what BT response you're talking about. The implication that I "ran out of voting options" is just blatant bullshit and you know it.

also lol at the implication that AtE is a meta scumtell for me

I'm still laughing over "taking advantage" of a "slapfight".

If you're not taking advantage of the Raikaria situation by NOT DOING ANYTHING ALL DAY UNTIL RAIKARIA MAKES A DUMB PUSH AND THEN SITTING ON RAIKARIA BASED ON THAT PUSH FOR THE REST OF THE DAY then what the fuck are you doing?

[BigBangMeteor]

Conq is wording well why I think Raikaria is town.

His tone reads really angry at everything though, while in Town it was really buddy-buddy even when he was voting me. Gives me the feeling that Conq is white-knighting.

Conq, you say that BT hanging around not voting is not alignment-indicative but then you talk in the next sentence about how it lets BT wait for a post bad enough to jump onto. That seems like alignment-indicative to me, and is also looking at stuff assuming that BT is scum, which is especially bad since part of your Raikaria defence earlier in the same post is about how Prims has come to the conclusion that Raikaria is scum before making the case.

Also willing to give Paperblade a pass for being somewhat lurky because he generally is D1 + irl issues.

[BT]

I'll say that the base of what Conq's saying is correct (my 'jump' and Raikaria's can be compared) but everything goes wild from there. My reasons changing over time doesn't actually mean anything and same goes for 'he has side comments that go nowhere' because where would they be going? Everything's way too general and I'm pretty sure my latest few hours of play were town so that's more concern.

So yeah, the initial Raikaria vote was convenient for me to get things started, but that doesn't directly translate to anything that suggests "taking advantage of a slapfight" so it still baffles me that you got to that conclusion. My play stretches out a few dozens of posts after that point. If I was just content with the initial vote then yeah, taking advantage of shit and scum mastermind, but I've actually been doing stuff since. What you're saying I'm guilty of that is "taking advantage" of things is ironically more relevant to Raikaria because he's the one who became useless once he found his vote.

It's 4:30 here so I'll be gone soon, just putting that out there.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Prims would you support a last minute Yoshi lynch

don't think we have the people

[Conqueror]

Yeah this is exactly what I mean when I say him being offended by people disputing him is scummy.

trufax, I get angrier when I'm accused of being scum as town than when I'm accused of being scum as scum.

BBM, I get pissed off when people make bad cases on me. In Town Mafia I pretty much ignored all the cases on my predecessor and went entirely on the offensive because I was replacing in and I could afford to do that. I got a lot angrier in the game after that when people suspected me for bad reasons.

Also re:bt not voting at first, it's an answer to bt's question of why he wouldn't just jump onto any old vote given the number of voteable people out there. It's not the crux of my case because it's only a postulation, but it answers that part of bt's defence.

[BigBangMeteor]

Except you didn't really get angry. People were like "omg he's too nice SUSPICIOUS" and you just shook it off fairly calmly. And then you got night-killed not that long after.

The sort of anger you're displaying here only really happens as scum, because if you're town then you still get the consolation of the last laugh after your alignment is confirmed (whether through death or by the game ending), and then because it's a meta argument people feel bad about it and themselves and will probably never use it again, even if you exhibit the same behaviour in a later game as scum.

Also the words you said to Prims: "I'm tired of this shit happening every game where you suspect me" doesn't really fit with what I know, because Prims has told me before that he sees you as basically impossible to mislynch because you're very good at defending yourself while still scumhunting. ie even if you've gotten wagoned or been suspected in previous games in which I haven't played based on similar stuff, you've been able to shake it off pretty easily. So why would you get angry like this?

[Conqueror]

I'll say that the base of what Conq's saying is correct (my 'jump' and Raikaria's can be compared) but everything goes wild from there. My reasons changing over time doesn't actually mean anything and same goes for 'he has side comments that go nowhere' because where would they be going? Everything's way too general and I'm pretty sure my latest few hours of play were town so that's more concern.

My god. I'm saying that your initial vote on Raikaria was based on "mason vote bad" and eventually morphed to "Raikaria deliberately made a bad vote because he knew he could get away with it" despite the fact that Raikaria could have easily voted for a number of other options. It's a sleazy way to keep your vote on him and when I say "side comments that go nowhere" I'm talking Tojiko in TD style, I don't know how else to put it. You're questioning people and stuff but in the end Raikaria is your One True Scumread and you've left yourself open on basically everyone else. It's like what Affinity did in Path of Radiance when he parked his vote on me and poked at other people all day.

So yeah, the initial Raikaria vote was convenient for me to get things started, but that doesn't directly translate to anything that suggests "taking advantage of a slapfight" so it still baffles me that you got to that conclusion. My play stretches out a few dozens of posts after that point. If I was just content with the initial vote then yeah, taking advantage of shit and scum mastermind, but I've actually been doing stuff since. What you're saying I'm guilty of that is "taking advantage" of things is ironically more relevant to Raikaria because he's the one who became useless once he found his vote.

It's a convenient way for you to get started and your vote is still sitting there despite everything else you say you're doing. That's what I mean by taking advantage of the situation. Your play stretches out dozens of posts after that point but it's just poking at people, see what I said in the paragraph above.

re: Raikaria doing what you're doing that's kinda true, except for the main point which is the votes you both make. Rereading Raikaria's CF7 vote and your Raikaria vote and subsequent reasoning his vote is still better.

It comes down to his content today and it's crap. Serela/Dormio is all buzzwords. When he needs to switch off of Serela, all the other names he dropped in the last post are a thing of the past as he just proceeds to jump on the easy opportunity given.

Going to point this out again. If he's looking to jump on the easy opportunity given, then why doesn't he do it in the first place (with Dormio in this case)? You point it out yourself that it's notable that he chooses to go for Serela over Dormio, so what's the scum motivation for it? Some vague notion of batshit town cred that is more likely to get him lynched instead?

Calling CF7 an easy opportunity is true enough, but just because someone is the easy vote doesn't mean they can't be scum, and Raikaria's CF7 vote flows logically enough from where I'm seeing. You're the one using buzzwords by calling it the easy vote, because everyone saw why CF7's post was bad.

[BT]

To move on to more relevant things, we have two l-2 wagons, one idle vote and one uninterested vote.

I'm technically okay with swapping but rather have this. 2 hours left?

cut by I don't think I'll be responding to this tonight

[Serela]

HW's telling me to move onto Raikaria but I'm leaning a little towards CF7. Fine with switching if it comes down to it but I somewhat prefer the CF7 lynch right now. Might reread them again by deadline.

Hour and a half left.

[Conqueror]

Except you didn't really get angry. People were like "omg he's too nice SUSPICIOUS" and you just shook it off fairly calmly. And then you got night-killed not that long after.

The sort of anger you're displaying here only really happens as scum, because if you're town then you still get the consolation of the last laugh after your alignment is confirmed (whether through death or by the game ending), and then because it's a meta argument people feel bad about it and themselves and will probably never use it again, even if you exhibit the same behaviour in a later game as scum.

Also the words you said to Prims: "I'm tired of this shit happening every game where you suspect me" doesn't really fit with what I know, because Prims has told me before that he sees you as basically impossible to mislynch because you're very good at defending yourself while still scumhunting. ie even if you've gotten wagoned or been suspected in previous games in which I haven't played based on similar stuff, you've been able to shake it off pretty easily. So why would you get angry like this?

I'm talking about the game after Town Mafia, the one with the 3 SKs. We're talking about 2 different games here.

Also, this is a personal thing but I don't get consolation from going "OH MAN YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT ME I WAS TOWN" because in that case I've already gotten lynched and failed in my duty as town. I don't like getting lynched because I was basically mislynched D1 in my first 3 games as town (or something to that effect) and I hate hate hate getting mislynched. I hate getting lynched as scum too but I hate playing as scum so getting lynched as scum is honestly a mixed blessing. And for the record, people who go "YOU'LL BE SORRY WHEN I FLIP TOWN" are the worst. The only time I tried to lynch myself was when I was a Chicago voter and I owned that game afterwards by voting all the scumz.

Also, it's true that I don't get mislynched often nowadays, but I still don't like suspicion on me if I feel it's getting in the way of the game. I can link myself to several examples where I've done this if you want, but I think most of the people playing in this game can attest to that. Hell, Prims can attest to that.

tl;dr meta sucks

[NekoNekoRex]

Moar notepad scumreads

"I wish I could skip to the end edition"

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Rai are you really going back on that fucking masonlynch
nobody is doing it
get off already

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CF7 stop fucking tinfoilhatting already and hunt scum
scum
SCUUUUM

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Okay BT post
where is his vote

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why are you asking this SB

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Rai claims JOAT, solidifies position as unclearable by role

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BT stop trying to game the role setup in a role madness game where we've been explicitly suggested away from doing exactly that.

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Paperblade lurky post

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"I also don't get why he's reluctant to vote Zak due to him having a low amount of reads on other players (as in, this is his reasoning AGAINST IT) so he should explain that."
It's because lurking lynchers doesn't net us much interaction reads by D2
If he has no reads on everyone, that's scummy, yeah, but doesn't leave us with anything if he dies (also WHY it's scummy but not the point)
His claim makes his pushing understandably town for now anyway. Would not lynch today.

SB keeps inferring he's doing flavorplay which is still bad.


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Tinfoil hat theory here, but I think that if Raikaria is scum, so is Schezo because of the earlier "Raikaria is a scumwagon" post, also for other little things.
Kind of somewhat good reason to lynch Rai harder

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Gut here again but HW is usually town when our opinions seem to coincidentally match up.

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Claim that's kinda convincing from Raikaria
Hmmm
Normally don't take claims without salt but he claims he can give out coroner, which suggests he's either town or a scum blatantly outing he's the scum JOAT with a coroner

Oh look end of the page, only 3 more to go
might be hope of finishing this readthrough after all

[Conqueror]

if it comes down to it I prefer a CF7 lynch over Raikaria since CF7 said his role was deterimental to town

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Could you make yourself any more annoying to read, NNR?
I get that you're Trying To Get That Post Out There?, but jeez.

[NekoNekoRex]

Someone find me a votecount please

[Conqueror]

hey hey hey Dormio
Why are you still voting Raikaria? Did you at least read his claim?
What do you think of CF7?
What do you think of BT?

[Conqueror]

1.10: Never End Your Impatience For Votecounts

It has been ONE HOWAH. And 30 posts. Holda your Hories!

Raikaria (6): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, BT, CF7, huh what, Kilgamayan
CF7 (5): Raikaria, Selerey, Serious Bananas, Paperblade, BBM
BT (2): Conqueror, Schezo

Not voting: Zakeri :<

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 2 hours and 19 minutes remaining.
Day End Countdown

nnr you lazy bum it's on the previous page

[Conqueror]

wow I just realized BT wagon is just me and Schezo

you're all lame, seriously

##unvote
##vote: cf7

[Conqueror]

That's L-1 since Zakeri also voted Cf7.

[Conqueror]

eh

##unvote
maybe he'll claim yuki
no harm in waiting for the claim

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

@Conqadour: Read the claim, but I don't really know what to make of it.
Since I've been busy today, I haven't had the time to do much other than skim through the topic.
Classes from 9 to 4 sucks with the hour travel to and from uni sucks.
I have mentioned before that I'd be willing to vote for CF7 if need be, but that the Raikaria lynch is more interesting to me.
No clue what I think of BT since I haven't really read the guy in much depth.

Warning - while you were typing 4 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Really? Even just this?

[Shadoweh]

1.11: Totally Not a Nazi Votecount

Take 1 drink everytime a diary is used to superhumanly dodge bullets!

Raikaria (6): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, BT, CF7, huh what, Kilgamayan
CF7 (6): Raikaria, Selerey, Serious Bananas, Paperblade, BBM, Zakeri
BT (1):  Schezo

Not voting: Conqueror >:<

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There is 1 hours and 19 minutes remaining.
Day End Countdown

[BigBangMeteor]

even the 3 SKs game that I barely paid attention to- there was a calmness to your posts even while you were frustrated idk

This is mostly irrelevant atm because you're not getting lynched today anyways.

@Prims- I can kind of get what you're saying about SB. I used to be able to read ScumB really easily but I didn't get him in Masquerade or even Folgore Rangers until it was obvious through PoE so idk. I feel like it'd be easier to make up my mind on SF because he's naturally lurky on MotK due to it not being his natural forum.

Basically I can't make up my mind about anyone right now; I need a scumflip.

Shadoweh are you reading The Final Empire? If so, she uses the diary to dodge knives, not bullets.

Maybe I should have said 'dodge projectiles'. Bullets are just more unbelievable.

[Conqueror]

I kinda know what you mean because that game was kinda on the low scale of mad. There are better examples but I'll be arsed to provide them unless this meta argument is still relevant in the future.

[WHMZakeri]

Raikaria's vote on Serela is surface level bad, but the thing is I feel like he's being earnest here. I can see town Rai being frustrated with Serela and trying to work out how he could be scum. He does make a misstep in admitting that testing the Mason claim is part of his reasoning though. I would figure the more natural town reaction would be to either question the nature of the role, or just accusing both of them as being scum. going with "testing" the claim is a little too close with saying he's comfortable with a town lynch. It would also be useless to test for mason claims since if Serela flips, HW will be NKed.

Assuming Rai is lying about about his curse, it's kind of suspicious that he'd use it on Conqueror, but not scumbuddy theory suspicious or even scum suspicious either. Actually, it doesn't affect my read of him at all, but I still wanted to point out that I don't like it.

Not only does lynching Serela prove your claim, and sort out this claim pile, but it also gets rid of someone not contributing in any meaningful way at all.

this in particular i don't like because it forgoes that serela will never be useful if he is town. i'd normally let this drop but it's kind of egregious when put up next to a guy putting his roleclaim into saying serela is confirmed town.

of course despite my complaint about this, he's still arguing forward with it and it's casuing me to believe that he really does follow the line of logic he's using, which is forcing me to associate him with the town alignment despite not liking the argument. i can see both sides (scumrai and townrai) but i feel like trying to see scumrai doing this is forced where as seeing townrai doing this is easier for me.

Cut: This is a touhou board, you're expected to dodge bullets, or at least deathbomb.

can't divine anything from later posts. getting sleepy. very sleepy. not convinced of raikaria scum, but willing to switch if demanded. doesn't seem high demand. maybe will go to bed soon after all. will announce when. bark.

[BigBangMeteor]

Raikaria lying about his role would be pretty lol; it's too provable. At best he'd prolong his survival by one day phase, which isn't really all that useful for mafia and would probably be less preferable to saccing him to get some PR claim.