Author Topic: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)  (Read 131816 times)

Schezo

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #360 on: September 16, 2013, 08:32:41 PM »
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None of this is true.
That is the only mention you have of Zakeri in a while and from what I can tell you're townreading him because his flavor matches up.  The other part is half flavor half masons so meh.

You don't trust him solely because of a setup you haven't seen the entirety of?

SB feels like he's beating a dead horse with a stick.  I mean CF7 already answered this after I asked it
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Also apparently playing around makes someone more likely to be an SK than mafia. Explain this logic please, CF7.
So I mean it was a terrible answer but it's there so why not just address the next step instead of going from square 1?
And the "blatant contradiction" thing from CF7 is the least damning thing he's done so it's hrrr drr?  Why pick that one to nail him with the hardest?
Everything you said about Raikaria in your own post would be fine if it wasn't identical to what you just said about him now.

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Raikaria feels like he's just victimizing himself a lot and using self meta to try and help himself out isn't really helping his case. Also in his next post it feels like he waffles on Serela a bit, in the previous he says Serela's actions are scummy but then says this "That said, if not for Serela's reaction, we'd probably still be *in* RVS." which implies that Serela doing this was helpful and makes him appear town. I also feel like he's going out of his way to avoid dropping his vote and getting associated with any wagon, which is pretty bad.
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Dude, stop crediting yourself with ending RVS by being attacked. This doesn't make you any townier, and people who say that Raikaria is always scummy and shouldn't be lynched are really bad.
There's a lot more that's happened with Raikaria in between the victimizing and the RVS stuff so no update on that?

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #361 on: September 16, 2013, 08:59:32 PM »
That is the only mention you have of Zakeri in a while and from what I can tell you're townreading him because his flavor matches up.
Nah it was my opinion on huhwhat matching it up with a serial killer. I think the claim's town because I don't think his reaction to huhwhat's conf. town shtick is fake and while it's possible for non-town with that information to deliberately react like that I doubt that's what happened.

Everything from my old posts on him still applies too.
But it's still outdated. He's voting your vote, he claimed and he distrusts the masons and the only thing you add is that people handwaving Raikaria's lynch are bad. This isn't any better as I can't tell what you think of him.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #362 on: September 16, 2013, 09:01:29 PM »
Anyway, going to sleep.
Sometimes rumors are just... rumors

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #363 on: September 16, 2013, 09:03:20 PM »
FWIW I thought CF7's early-day "claim" was sarcasm and was genuinely surpised to see it brought up again in this capacity. I had honestly completely forgotten about it.
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #364 on: September 16, 2013, 09:17:10 PM »
##Unvote
##Vote: CF7

sheeping serela

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #365 on: September 16, 2013, 09:17:41 PM »
I had a good nap.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #366 on: September 16, 2013, 09:18:44 PM »
Okay so :life: came up and I miiiiiiight be out later than originally planned. I'll keep the thread posted. It is more likely that this ends up being nothing and I get home at my normal Monday time (about 4 hours before deadline), but.
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #367 on: September 16, 2013, 09:20:46 PM »
I want more sleep.
Not much time, so just what I've gleaned from the topic for now.
CF7 is hilarious with the outrage and the talk about SKs, paranoia?
6.5 hours left so I'll probably be in class during deadline, though I will probably have access.
Will switch to CF7 if necessary.

There's a lot more that's happened with Raikaria in between the victimizing and the RVS stuff so no update on that?
Either missed whatever that was, or didn't think it was important enough.
Probably a combination of both.

Schezo

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #368 on: September 16, 2013, 09:29:10 PM »
I was talking to SB but okie dokie Dormio.

I will shamelessly lynch CF7 if he wants to go bugger off without a claim near deadline.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #369 on: September 16, 2013, 09:31:42 PM »
You can tell how sleep deprived I am when I read "Serious Bananas" as "Yoshino".
Fuck sleeping at 2AM and waking up at 6AM every day.

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #370 on: September 16, 2013, 09:41:10 PM »
CF7 is worse than Raikaria now for basically everything Kilga said when switching back. I've also cooled on scum!Raikaria a little now that I'm not frustrated about his Serela vote. He doesn't look good but he could be town, now.

I think BT is town. Fuck You All

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #371 on: September 16, 2013, 09:54:49 PM »
Modscum Votecount

CF7 (5): Kilgamayan, Raikaria, Selerey, Serious Bananas, huh what
Raikaria (4): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, BT, CF7
BT (4): Conqueror, Schezo, Zakeri, BBM
Dormio (1): Paperblade

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #372 on: September 16, 2013, 10:25:53 PM »
##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria

Re-read relevant arguments and changed my mind. Also decided I'd rather sheep BT than Kilga right now.

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #373 on: September 16, 2013, 10:34:24 PM »
Well, your overall behavior. First you're acting silly, people call you on it. Then you try to play normally. Give scum reads, and all that. Votes Serela, and then out of blue suggest let's lynch a lurker. Which is me and  which is not entirely correct.
Considering other people are suspecting that you're scum, whom i think scum themselves, either it's a really heavy bussing on their part, or you're really SK.
I think the logic in this post comes from very inexperienced town rather than scum intentionally pushing BS, and followed by this:
The worst part of my post, i'm guessing, is jumping on your wagon. Without any reasoning, which i explained a bit later after that.
it reads like CF7 thinks his post is reasonable because he believes in his own logic, even though it's weird as hell.

Also, CF7's justification for voting Raikaria because nobody would wagon Serela makes me feel better about him; he just should have mentioned it in his initial reads post.

Meanwhile, Raikaria's response to CF7's post was to jump him and use that as an excuse to not put effort into the game. So CF7 is now scum, sure. Why not re-read the game anyway if you still care about scumhunting? Your only real reads were on me and Serela and the push was really just a bunch of meta-buzzwords.

Anybody who thinks BT is scum (but especially Conq) is suspicious for not reading the posts of the person they're voting. Seriously. SB is also probably a maflord.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #374 on: September 16, 2013, 10:35:47 PM »
As long as CF7 is gonna sod off for the evening, I might as well properly vocalize displease with Paperblade dropping a second lackluster post that suggests she's not really reading the game. Once is an accident, twice is a trend. I don't expect a wagon to form here (and would not switch off of CF7 to move to her), but this something I will want to see addressed.
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #375 on: September 16, 2013, 10:36:13 PM »
In short after re-reading I'm more inclined to think CF7 is town who is bad at presentation while I can see actual scum intent in Raikaria's posts.

Cut: Paperblade is a dude wwwww

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #376 on: September 16, 2013, 10:51:04 PM »
I'll add that Raikaria didn't address my arguments at all. A lot of them assume stuff about his play in a way that if he's town it's natural to just try explaining "what's really going on" (I daresay it's even easy) but he opted to ignore which is basically silent agreement.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #377 on: September 16, 2013, 10:53:34 PM »
Huh What could you explain what suddenly made you decide CF7's completely logic-less vote isn't scummy?

It's probobly safe to assume Serela will sheep Huh What, so I'll claim in full now.

I am a Gift Giver. On top of my one-shot gift of my pain [The Curse] I can also gift the following to other players during the night:

- One-Shot Roleblock
- One-Shot Track
- One-Shot Coroner

The Coroner suggests that since 'flips are revealed in full' scum has a Janitor Shot. I am told I have 3 items, but it's not very clear if that means I can only gift each One-Shot once, or if I can gift the same thing 3 times, or what.

That said, Shadoweh's wording about his Curse being a one-shot wasn't clear either :/

I'll add that Raikaria didn't address my arguments at all. A lot of them assume stuff about his play in a way that if he's town it's natural to just try explaining "what's really going on" (I daresay it's even easy) but he opted to ignore which is basically silent agreement.

Which arguments were these? I may have missed them within all the 3 pages that happened while I slept, or you may have missed my response.


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #378 on: September 16, 2013, 10:55:18 PM »
1.8: Lost Votecount FOR THE CHILDREN

Was Eighth drawn by a different studio or something? WHY IS HER HEAD SO BIG?!

Raikaria (5): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, BT, CF7, huh what
Dormio (1): Paperblade
CF7 (4): Kilgamayan, Raikaria, Selerey, Serious Bananas
BT (4): Conqueror, Schezo, Zakeri, BBM

Not voting: No one \o/

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 4 hours and 50 minutes remaining.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #379 on: September 16, 2013, 10:58:51 PM »
Which arguments were these? I may have missed them within all the 3 pages that happened while I slept, or you may have missed my response.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021272.html#msg1021272
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021276.html#msg1021276

Was the curse a 'special' day action or something? Kind of confused. Also what's your char ftr.

Was Eighth drawn by a different studio or something? WHY IS HER HEAD SO BIG?!
seriously

Schezo

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #380 on: September 16, 2013, 10:59:26 PM »
Why don't you iso BT and go see what you missed? 

But.  The only thing confirmed about this role is that it curses someone.  He implied it allows nightspeak but it could also be a delayed kill in which case Raikaria is joat and wants another night to do stuff.  Coronation is a red herring me thinks.  This a scumclaim btw. 

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #381 on: September 16, 2013, 11:00:58 PM »
I re-read it after the initial "damn that post looks bad" wore off and realized from his responses that he does have a thought process, it's just a very clueless one. I think he's town doing a poor job of explaining himself.

Also even ignoring what makes him look better I think your jump on him is more opportunistic than his on you because it saved you a bunch of actual effort. So!

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #382 on: September 16, 2013, 11:03:29 PM »
He implied it allows nightspeak but it could also be a delayed kill in which case Raikaria is joat and wants another night to do stuff.
It's actually nightspeak because Conq said so and lol he wouldn't tangle himself in this if he was a buddy.

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #383 on: September 16, 2013, 11:04:16 PM »
I think Conq/Raikaria is plausible, it just means Raikaria was being honest about the nightspeak effect.

imo Raikaria's claim is just null. I agree about the Coroner at least.

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #384 on: September 16, 2013, 11:05:36 PM »
Also, Serela and I aren't neighbors gambitting, just in case there really is a scum janitor and it wants to NK one of us then push that.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #385 on: September 16, 2013, 11:12:51 PM »
The first of those posts doesn't have anything really directed at me to talk about, or at least that I see there to be a point to talking about.

As for the 2nd part, yes, because CF7's post there was so awful, and his reasons and logic for voting so bad, that it outdid everything else up to that point, and still does. I think it's the worst thing all game, which is why I'm voting CF7. I'm voting him because he's done what I see as the worst thing this game.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #386 on: September 16, 2013, 11:20:39 PM »
The first of those posts doesn't have anything really directed at me to talk about, or at least that I see there to be a point to talking about.

As for the 2nd part, yes, because CF7's post there was so awful, and his reasons and logic for voting so bad, that it outdid everything else up to that point, and still does. I think it's the worst thing all game, which is why I'm voting CF7. I'm voting him because he's done what I see as the worst thing this game.
You don't really get it. Ever since CF7 I have no idea what you think about anything because you just stopped caring. CF7 being super scum is cool but that's not where the game ends unless you're scum and only care for a vote.
The first post claims that your reads were crap waiting for something more grand and I kind of expected some response to that.

But talk about your claim first.

HW: I meant that Conq wouldn't claim to have been nightspeak'd if it wasn't the case, he'd just go down with the ship. They can be buddies.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #387 on: September 16, 2013, 11:28:52 PM »
Also even ignoring what makes him look better I think your jump on him is more opportunistic than his on you because it saved you a bunch of actual effort. So!
How about BT's jump on Raikaria after the initial casing on Serela, after which BT basically sits on Raikaria and scolds him for making a bad vote? Read the case the BT eventually makes on Raikaria. It's basically a white knight of the claimed masons + the claim that scum!Raikaria thought trying to push claimed masons would be a good idea to push when BT pushes out that he had a Dormio option that was equally valid. BT says that it's possible that Raikaria thought that lynch was possible, but I don't think scum Raikaria would be incompetent enough to not look at the game thread and look at the viability of huhwhat/Serela lynch (which was pretty much opposed by a majority of players). He says that Raikaria is all buzzwords, but what more has BT put out more than Raikaria? A bunch of prodding suspicions and poking but nothing definite until Raikaria puts his foot in his mouth and then BT jumps all onto that. At the very least, Raikaria's reaction to CF7's bad vote on him reads genuine. People are claiming it was an easy vote and he "didn't have to do any scumhunting after that" but if he thinks he's found CF7 scum, what else is he supposed to do at that point?

CF7's logic is so convolutedly bad it might be town, honestly. I think if he were scum he'd go the easier route of attacking Raikaria directly instead of trying to throw suspicion on the masons at the same time; imo the lack of consistency here is likelier to come from town who's confused about the state of the game. The willingness to be lynched and the going to sleep without a claim (if he were scum he'd be warier of being hammered in his sleep) are townish points in his favour too.

Basically I'm thinking Raikaria and CF7 got in a stupid slapfight and you have people like BT trying to take advantage of the situation. Vote BT.

Cool, I'm weird this game, I can tell too. Except as Kilga pointed out it wasn't hard for me to bs a reason and it's usually what I do as scum. In fact I don't remember any of my scum games where I decided to reason things out in spite of people telling me to just damn vote someone. You know how I play so I think I expected more and not this whatever vote for me being weird.
It's not something you usually do as scum, but it's not something you usually do as town either, so meta is completely irrelevant? Not sure what you're trying to say here and this feels like you're trying to discredit me.

Anybody who thinks BT is scum (but especially Conq) is suspicious for not reading the posts of the person they're voting. Seriously. SB is also probably a maflord.
I don't think you're reading BT's posts and you don't want to vote him because you've descended into paranoia about me being scum. Put your cards on the table or shut your dumb paranoia away where it belongs because honestly I'm tired of this happening every other game.


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #388 on: September 16, 2013, 11:29:49 PM »
I don't think you're reading BT's posts and you don't want to vote him because you've descended into paranoia about me being scum. Put your cards on the table or shut your dumb paranoia away where it belongs because honestly I'm tired of this happening every other game.
lmfao conq is scum

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #389 on: September 16, 2013, 11:30:13 PM »
Schezo do you actually think any of Raikaria/CF7/BT are town? I can't tell. Feels like you'd be fine with any of the wagons.

I'm off for now, will be back a few hours before deadline.


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