Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)

[WHMZakeri]

I'd like to think the answer to the second question is implicit, but I admit I don't have an answer for that first one since in retrospect the effect of our roles vary slightly.
Uhh, god damn it.

I don't really see a reason why HW's role holder would be scum unless it's to prevent gaming the setup, but to go that route would be completely forced and circular so I don't feel comfortable keeping this vote without a serious reread.

I'm undecided between Dormio and BT right now. BT would basically be a prodvote to pressure him into finding at least one scum but everyone seems to fall that way already.
I still thank the amount of effort put into Dormio's case on Raikaria is too disproportionate to how town would go about it, but I don't really know what else I'd get out of him other than asking him to make cases on other people.
I guess for day one's sake, BT is the worst one between them.
##Unvote: Huh What
##Vote: BT

zak, if you're town, move your vote somewhere else unless

I'm working on it. I'm up past my bedtime just like everyone else right now.

[Shadoweh]

1.4: Lunning For Your Rife, Always Lunning From The Votecount

Take 1 shot every time Yuki screams like a little girl!

Raikaria (3): Celery, Dormio, NekoNekoRex
Dormio (2): BigBangMeteor, Paperblade
CF7 (1): Kilgamayan
Zakeri (2): Serious Bananas, huh what
huh what (1): CF7
BT (3): Conqueror, Schezo, Zakeri

Not voting: BT, Raikaria

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 21 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Conq raises a valid point.

##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio

I see BT's play as annoying but neutral. No other wagon particularly interests me right now, although I still have a minor suspicion on Kilga, and don't totally trust Zak.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Hey, I'm back, and I'm really hungry, but I'm going to talk about Serela first.
To be honest, I can't read Serela much past Serela being Serela. By which I mean anti-town.

His first series of posts does nothing but state that he is sheeping HW in voting for Raikaria.
This is incredibly lazy, which fits my current overall assessment of Serela.
When Serela finally returns with this post, he does nothing but complain that nobody is forming any opinions.
By complaining that nobody is forming any opinions, Serela attempts to imply that he has some of his own, which he refuses to share at this point in time.
Later, Serela makes this useless post, which accomplishes absolutely nothing.
Serela is literally doing nothing but prodding people to provide opinions while giving none of his own.
I suppose one possible interpretation would be that Serela is attempting to voice his suspicions in a very awkward and roundabout manner, but I don't think that this is the case.
I think that Serela is actually just being very lazy and not doing anything as a result.

Serela's next post is just as useless as his previous ones.
Though actually, upon looking at it again, this particular post is quite interesting.

It's hard to even think of considering any of the others (Kilga, Dormio, SB, HW) at all simply because they aren't full of unignorable flaws

That Serela would even say this part in particular just makes me wonder what the hell goes through that unique mind of Serela's.
The fact that Serela states that he isn't really going to go after anyone that he believes to be competent leads to the conclusion that Serela is looking for bad play, rather than scummy play.
I mean, he even says in much in this post.

it's not so much Scummy Things They Did as much as Townie Things They Aren't Doing.

I don't think I need to go into too much detail about why I believe this facet of Serela's thought process to be scummy.
However, I can't help but get this nagging feeling that Serela is actually just not caring at all about what he does.

And I don't even know how I'm supposed to parse this drivel.
Serela claims that there are lots of people that he could vote, but that each of these votes would be "too easy" and, therefore, incorrect.
Whilst I'm ignoring the contradiction between his earlier posts that Serela is complaining, at first, about there being not enough content to work with before shifting to there being too much easy content to chase after, I fail to see how Serela can't even organize his thoughts on the people that he supposedly suspects when he states that there is now a plethora of information about each of them.
Just... What the hell is this shit?

Overall, I have no idea what to make of Serela's apathy.
It's definitely anti-town, in my opinion, but I have no idea if it's scummy or not.
I mean, I want to say it's scummy, but I just can't read if Serela is motivated by laziness or actual scumminess.
If the push came to the shove, I would say that Serela is scummy, but I'd rather vote for Raikaria first.

Anyway, more posts incoming whenever they get written.

[Paperblade]

Prims, why do you think that Zak is SK? He crumbed his role in multiple posts and his tunneling on you makes sense in the context of his claim, which he crumbed in multiple posts. If he was scum it would be pretty stupid of him to try to create a 1v1 D1 unless he somehow knew you were mafia, and even then there's a good chance he'd get lynched over you. tbh I think he looks townier than you do since I know you'd be willing to run a gambit like this.

The only things that bugs me about Zak are how he dropped the Prims case assuming that Prims' role was real and not him lying, plus how jumpy he was about wagons.

[Paperblade]

Yosh I read like the first two sentences of your post but your argument that Serela is scum pretty much requires Prims to be scum as well, and I don't think you've addressed him all game ?_?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Uh, what? I have no idea how you might have possibly reached that conclusion.
The main crux of my argument is that Serela is incredibly lazy and apathetic, which I can't read.
Whilst his behaviours are scummy, I'm getting the gut feeling that Serela's actions are driven more by a lack of effort as opposed to a legitimate attempt to further scum's agenda.
What does this have to do with HW?

[CF7]

Different timezones suck. I go to sleep, i wake up to this mess. People arguing with each other, people accusing me of being lurker, people blank unvoting and so on.
Anyway reading now.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Prims, why do you think that Zak is SK?

At first it was flavor speculation + some further role information which makes an extra clear be fishy, but then I realized that was dumb and I don't think he's SK anymore.

[BT]

Dormio:
Serela is scum --> HW is lying
If you're struggling to figure out if Serela is scum you should take into account that it'd mean that HW is lying, which makes him scum.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

To be perfectly honest, I'm completely disregarding HW's statement that Serela is town.
It's a non-factor to me, and there are plenty of reasons for HW to lie as town in my mind, one of which includes sheer boredom.

[Schezo]

Different timezones suck. I go to sleep, i wake up to this mess. People arguing with each other, people accusing me of being lurker, people blank unvoting and so on.
Anyway reading now.

Since that was the most important thing you gathered in your summary I'm glad you're ready to step up and fight me.

[Raikaria]

Ah that was a nice slee... wait why are there 3 more pages?

Anyway, as I promised at 1am, I'm actually going to do the 2nd part of my post now. Not happy with the people moaning at me for blank unvoting at 1am when I didn't have the mental cohesion to think straight by the way.

Let's start with things directed at me:

I asked a question earlier to Raikaria so as to how he expects votes thrown around frequently under the guise of RVS would pressure anyone at all, which Raikaria has yet to answer.

In addition to this, we can look at things like:Which indicates a strong desire from Raikaria to associate himself with having ended RVS.
This is a natural course of action, if you're looking to defend yourself, since ending RVS is an admirable action meant to forward the game and create meaningful discussion that will help us to catch the scums.

1: I just expected it. There's not much to explain there.

2: I never said I ended it on purpose, but the fact is my over-reaction to Serela, due to misunderstanding that his vote was ultimately a joke vote, is what actually started real discussion.

I had a bunch of other stuff typed out for the other part of your post, but I'm not gonna-requote the post, it's a response to your complaing about AtE; and me 'prolonging the RVS':

I made 2 posts in RVS. Really close to each other. If you're going to say I was prolonging the RVS as a case against me, please, I'd like to know what you think Huh What or BT or Bannanas were doing.

While I accept my complaining may have come across as such, the intention was using the MotKTown Meta, pointing out 'Hey guys this always happens to me ED1.'. The part about me responding to accusations of 'Defense Scum' is simple logic, not AtE.
- People accuse me ED1
- Have to defend myself because there's not really anything to use against them yet
- More people jump on because Defending Self

See the issue here?

But hey, now there IS content to use, so I can lower my shield a little and start poking with my sword.

Also, saying 'Someone is defending himself they must be scum' is flawed anyway. Lynching town isn't helping town wincon, you know, and unless a townie has an ability that relates to their being lynched, a townie shouyldn't want to be lynched as much as scum doesn't want to be.


Anywho, moving on for the Dormio wall:

Right, a quick overview of my scumreads:

Huh What - Still unsure if this is Huh What being Huh What. He's claimed role-based information on Serela which apparently clears Serela. Which leads to me mentioning him. I think Huh What lying is far more likely than Zakeri lying. [Although both could be telling the truth; see Zakeri's section]

Serela - OK, you're completely useless. After lurking this long you come back, give some unexplained scumreads, waffle, and basically do nothing. Combined with Huh What, who isn't too useful himself, 'clearing' you, and the fact that Zakeri soft 'counter-claims' Huh What, I'm pretty sure that not only are you a good lynch for your own purposes, but you're also a good lynch to get to the bottom of this Huh What/Zakeri role shenanigans. You're just tunneling on me, which is a 'jokevote' without even explaining what's making you stick with it.

Lurking is bad, waffle is bad, tunneling is bad, not explaining your reasons for scumreads is bad...

I feel like I've just chased my own tail here; but ##Vote: Serela

Dormio: Hyperfocusing me, tunnelling, making arguments based on semantics. A lot of what he's saying is honestly parroted from various other people too. Also same as Serela, dosen't explain his scumreads, and continues to tunnel.

Zakeri - Not so much a 'scumread' than me mentioning his soft 'counter-claim'. I say 'soft counter-claim' because Yuki being in the game and a townie is mutually exclusive to 'Serela is town'. Serela could easily be Yuki, or both could be true, but likewise, the odds that we have two roles confirming people Pre-D1 seems a little unlikly.

BT: Mentioning due to 3 votes on him. I'm not too sold on the case on BT.

Also, at this point, I feel like using my own role, to give the person I feel is talking the most sense a voice to use in the darkness. #Curse: Conqueror

[Raikaria]

Oh wait I need 2 hashtags:

##Curse: Conqueror

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Holy shit you people are terrible.

Serela and I are masons. This is not a gambit.

[BT]

I'm just going to freestyle at this point.

I've had some gut feeling towards SB since that one post he made. That he'd find something incriminating to say about all of the occurrences and have the capacity to form a rank list at that point feels artificial. It's also arguments like "Raikaria avoided dropping a vote" that make me think this way because he could have said the same thing about me. Which suggests that he focused on the focus and on delivering arguments on that front only.

The beef I'd have with Schezo is that he's moving around enough to make it bothersome. I mean it's possible that he's just that invested into the game that he'd produce and withdraw his lunges multiple times but the other option is that he's just biting at what's there and that seems more likely. Point shit out first and reconsider later is something I'd attribute to scum jumping around with their vote and not aggressive town.

Something about Conq's beef me that I think he would've done otherwise as town? Is the feeling I get. Cool, I'm weird this game, I can tell too. Except as Kilga pointed out it wasn't hard for me to bs a reason and it's usually what I do as scum. In fact I don't remember any of my scum games where I decided to reason things out in spite of people telling me to just damn vote someone. You know how I play so I think I expected more and not this whatever vote for me being weird.

For now.

cut by the Raikaria post I was waiting for (not read) and HW claiming what I thought was going on.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria

Horrible, horrible post. Lots of irrelevant one-liners + essentially relies on using paranoia to dismiss clears in lieu of actual content, followed by dropping a vote on the case that takes the least effort to make imaginable.

[BT]

You're seventh right? That's pretty much what I thought.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Also, neither one of us is Yukiteru, which is why Zak's claim is weird. I suspect he's SK because SK would help trim down the clears and wouldn't actually have to reveal that his clear is confirmed town.

Cut: I don't watch the anime, but my character name is Marco Ikusaba.

[BT]

Seventh is the pair. And yes that's what you are and Serela is your wife.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

BTW after that wall of text about Serela which lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm inclined to think Dormio is either really rusty town or playing entirely based on refuge audacity.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I'm typing, I'm typing.
I said as much that I have no idea what to think about Serela, I just decided to post about him first.

[BT]

BTW after that wall of text about Serela which lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm inclined to think Dormio is either really rusty town or playing entirely based on refuge audacity.

Felt he was probably town for making that post but basically concluding that he's unsure. I mean he says that he'd vote Serela but it doesn't seem like scum opening up options to me, dunno.

[Shadoweh]

1.5: Because of Avici I Post Votecounts

~*~Conqueror has been cursed!~*~

Take 1 shot every time Yuno gets yandere on someone!

Raikaria (4): Celery, Dormio, NekoNekoRex, huh what
Dormio (2): BigBangMeteor, Paperblade
CF7 (1): Kilgamayan
Zakeri (1): Serious Bananas
huh what (1): CF7
BT (3): Conqueror, Schezo, Zakeri
Serela (1): Raikaria

Not voting: BT

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 18 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Aside from Raikaria himself, I find it questionable how much Conq waffles on him. It's like Conq goes back and forth from "Raikaria is kinda bad, but the reasons are kinda bad" and it's very noncommittal. His Dormio defense is actually pretty similar; certain attacks on Dormio are bad but Dormio is just whatever. It's an easy way to make people doing specific things look bad without actually giving a solid read on the relevant player. I also think he addresses Dormio like he knows Dormio is town which is pretty weird.

[NekoNekoRex]

Fuck, it is way too early for me to be making more content posts, I don't think I'm gonna bother reading all of this until I wake up tomorrow.

All these claims mean absolutely nothing so far, now that they've been revealed. In fact, I can only see irony in the fact that last time Prims was Masons I'm pretty sure it was with Serela, and they weren't really Masons.

i'm going to bed

[Raikaria]

Excuse me for you not seeming incredibly pro-town, a soft-counter-claim, and Serela not seeming town in the slightest right now.

Not only does lynching Serela prove your claim, and sort out this claim pile, but it also gets rid of someone not contributing in any meaningful way at all. Seems like a good lynch to me, and it's hardly 'The one with the least effort'. That would probobly be CF9 for lurkscum.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Excuse me for you not seeming incredibly pro-town, a soft-counter-claim, and Serela not seeming town in the slightest right now.

Not only does lynching Serela prove your claim, and sort out this claim pile, but it also gets rid of someone not contributing in any meaningful way at all. Seems like a good lynch to me, and it's hardly 'The one with the least effort'. That would probobly be CF9 for lurkscum.

scummiest post in the game

[BT]

lol I was going to excuse him for the role he just used but what the fuck

They claimed masons Raikaria.

NNR the last time it was with rawr and it was really shifty and I don't think it's similar this time.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

All these claims mean absolutely nothing so far, now that they've been revealed. In fact, I can only see irony in the fact that last time Prims was Masons I'm pretty sure it was with Serela, and they weren't really Masons.

That was drrawr, not Serela. Also please compare the context of that game to this one and realize that a HW/Serela scumteam would have been setting this shit up from ED1.